November 26, 2024 • 59 mins
Mike Harmon and Former All-Pro DB Kerry Rhodes, in for Jason Smith, discuss the state of the New York Jets as their plans for rebuilding are coming together. Audacy NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the guys to dive into the Ravens win Monday night over the Chargers. The guys dive into the teams atop the NFL standings and discuss which teams are true title threats. Mike is embarrassed by Matt Eberflus' explanation for a puzzling move he made on Sunday.
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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He's in for Jason Smith. Welcome in hour two of
the program here on a beautiful Monday night as we
wrap up Week twelve. If you're National Football League season,
to hear the four tough and battle tested Chargers getting
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all are u double ned over by those Baltimore Ravens
playing bullyball in the Battle for the brothers Harbaugh fighting
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usual Monday visit with him talking all things NFL, and
of course he's stationed out there in Baltimore, so getting
the lay of the land. This was a circled game,
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not just because of the harball battle, but I think
for both teams tried to test really where there are,
where they are. Carrie, as we get to this, you know,
next phase, right as soon as we get to the holidays,
it feels like a different like for us watching the
games like fandom that it feels like the NFL ratchets
up at that point. Sure, as a player man, depending
(01:53):
on the year, it's either the I'm that much closer
to my vacation or I'm that much closer to a
contract yes, or a coach I don't want to deal
with anymore is gonna be gone. All of these things.
It's to choose your own adventure kind of thing, depending
on where you're at.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yes, this time of year can be really fun or
or it can be long and not that fun. So
right now that these two teams, it's still fun. There's
you know, Baltimore is about to go to eight and four.
It looks like and you know, you know Chargers are
going to drop the seven and four. But Chargers are
(02:29):
I'm sure. I think they've already exceeded their Vegas numbers
for wins this year, So already a successful season, already
a successful turnaround. But you can see this is the
Ravens are a step up for them and for the
Charges to really make some noise, they're gonna go. They're
gonna have to go out and get some receivers to
compliment this offense and give Herbert some options downfield, because
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you can only win this way to a certain degree.
This isn't the championship type team, playoff type, deep, playoff
run team just yet.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I just need that more consistent option, right. Mconkey's a
nice He's a nice possession guy with the occasional pop
over the top. Johnston's still in year two uneven every
once in a while the flash and then Distley's been
a nice fine at tight end, but really trying to
figure out, right, especially after you lose two guys that
had been hallmarks for the squad went healthy in Keenan Allen,
(03:26):
who has suddenly found the cliff it seems in Chicago
and it slide down the backside. And then Mike Williams,
who we know at times is all class at times
disappears at times. Well, just the injury issue. As we
look at the the over unders going back to the preseason,
(03:47):
as you alluded to, let's see what did we have
for the Ravens. We were looking at ten and a
half and for the Los Angeles Chargers for whatever reason,
I'm my eyesight must be failing me in my long
old age. At this point, I want to say they
were eight.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And a half. Were they eighth? I don't think they
would be that high with they maybe with hardball coming.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
With Harball, the Raiders are still the Raiders. The expectation
that the Chiefs would slide back and a little and
the Broncos that I mean, because you talk about overachieving,
they've hit their number for sure in bon next playing
some really good football. We'll talk about him a little
bit more because you guys have certainly seen a number
of his games in your window. You and Dan Byer
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as part of Red Zone Radio on Sunday afternoons. But
one of the stories that circulating today your old team,
and this goes back to a tweet that you brought up,
that you actually posted and a while ago that seems
to have well, maybe maybe you're the cause of all
of this is that you've got the thirty third team
(04:53):
has stepped forward now your immodest proposal or maybe you know,
aggressive proposal saying hey, hey, we need to have a
you know, some kind of formation of group of people
to get in front of Woody Johnson, his brother whoever
else is still part of the brain trust. But the
thirty third team is now jumping in as part of
(05:14):
an advisory committee. And we actually saw the Jets put
it out saying, hey, we're now beginning our search coach GM.
All this stuff and it's all based on a tweet
you sent out carry Rhades. That's right, So let give
us a little more breadth to to your original proposal here.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yes, so number one, the Jets are run by Woody Johnson.
Woody Johnson knows nothing about football. Woody Johnson would walk
around and casually be there a day or two when
I was playing, and you know, he'll check on his
prize possessions and he would, you know, get on this
jet and fly back to the city. So that's what
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I know when he's tweeting the way that he's tweeting,
and you know, he's showing his prize possessions. I'm here
in London with Aaron Rodgers at dinner, or Quinn Williams
just got his sixth sack of the year when the
team is three and nine or whatever the record is.
That's somebody that's out of touch and that's very clear.
(06:18):
So my proposal and I put on Twitter because all
the twitter Jets Twitter has lost their mind and has
you know, their call for everybody's head and their jobs,
and they've also called for Witty to sell the team,
which right now doesn't sound like a bad idea, but
I don't think he's going to do that. So Mike,
if you're not going to do that, what's the next
(06:38):
option you need to bring? And my proposal to all
the fans and they all, you know, they were kind
of like, oh, this is pretty cool. You bring in
a committee of guys that really have real deep love
and care for that organization.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So thats like yourself with skin in the game.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That would be people's skinning the game. Guys has played
guys out of coach maybe that still have an affinity
for him, and you form a committee to come in
and actually give you some tips on how to run
an organization and how to put a a sessful product
on the film.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Now, not that you had great exposure to Woody Johnson,
but outside looking in, I don't know that he's a
man that really wants candid feedback.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So well, this is all fighting good, right, we get
this and this you at your proposal right that you
put up and you know it's the elevator pitch kind
of decision. Yes, And folks out there, if you want
to do it at Carrie twenty five Roads, at Swollen Dome,
at Fox Sports Radio, your elevator pitch for your your
struggling squad and just fire them all is not acceptable.
(07:44):
You need to give us a little more than that.
You can get in. But the thirty third team. So
it's media technology, so a lot of data driven stuff
for former front office executives. Our friend Jason Cole who
joins us each and every week. Tomorrow we'll find out
if after all these years of making fun of the Jets.
He's actually got any skin in this game in terms
(08:05):
of what he's seen, what he knows, and years of
covering the National Football League. He has a Pro Football
Hall of Fame voter, all of those things. So he's
a voice that's been around a while, and while snarky
with us, then a guy that has been around the
league and has watched the different eras and owners that
(08:26):
have come through, the good, the bad, the ugly, and
the processes therein. But when you get down to it,
you're seeing Spielman's name, You're seeing Tannembond's name, You're seeing
guys that are are noted former NFL executives who are
now part of the thirty third team. Sounds like something
out of a Tom Cruise mystery movie about that. So
(08:49):
now it's the all right, if I got you in
front of Winnie Johnson, like, what's the what's the opener
to your elevator pitch?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
The number one thing with with the Pits would be
it has to be homegrown talent. So you have to
be successful in the draft. Number one, stop trying to
build teams off of names. He's he's he has an
infatuation with names, sure, and even when I was there,
like you know, we had a lot of homegrown talent.
Meant you talk about Tannenbaum, he was a really good drafter.
(09:19):
He got a lot, a lot of steals. I mean,
you know outside of I mean I was a fourth
round guy and came and started from day one. Yet
Leon Washington was the fourth round guy came in, was
a big contributor. Ye had Jericho Contrack, jerichot fourth round pick. Yeah,
the brickishoft Ferguson, Like, you got to build with the
draft first, So that's where it starts. And when you
hire a coach and a GM, they have to be married,
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so it has to be one voice coming from them.
If you have one a GM that's trying to do
something or trying to get his name out there and
try to be the best GM that he can be
outside of being the GM and coach relationship, and make
sure that's married. That's another thing. Make sure those guys
know what the heck they want to do, and make
sure it doesn't matter how fiery gets, how the outside
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world comes in and tries to tell you how to
do things. Make sure that you have a group of
guys that are ready to stick together and be one
voice throughout this whole thing. That's number two. Number three,
stop hiring guys to be your friend. That's the last thing.
Like you're hiring a quarterback to come in and Aaron
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Rodgers obviously who left Green Bay in an unfavorable situation.
I love Aaron Rodgers, he's a friend of mine. But
you bring him there and you know that there's no line.
So you're getting this shining toy, but you can't protect it.
In year one he gets hurt. That's a year gone.
That's a year wasted because you're trying to do something
that isn't a feasible real option. So those are my
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three things. Number one, you dropped homegrown talent. Number two,
you get a GM and the head coach that are
on one accord. They're one voice period. Number three, stop
hiring your friends. Hire players that are to come in
and do and care about what they're doing. High character guys,
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guys that want to win. That's my pits. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
The third part is the interesting one because that seems
seemingly where it really went off the rails because Joe
Douglas wasn't perfect in his evaluations right, and it depends
which side of the coin you want to look at,
because there's a lot of success. Yes, because coming into
the year this was a roster that was lauded. I
still had great concerns of the offensive line with Rogers
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coming off the injury, how well that would work. But overall,
I think if we realistically looked at squad to squad,
they were probably still upper third of the league with
a couple of big explosive players and Garrett Wilson Breese
Hall drafted players. But the last couple of years, Aaron
Rodgers not only did they hire their friends, they hired
(11:54):
all his hangers on and Alan Blizard was really good
with Aaron Rodgers before he got hurt. Again, does it
translate to W's no, but he at least had a
guy that he trusted when he because let's face it,
he's dealing with something and we all like whether it's
just the recovery and the time frame of being aggressive
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coming back off the injury, or it's reaggravator or whatever.
Now we have all these reports that he won't get
scans or whatever else and that he's being stubborn. Take
of that with what you will grain assault. You want
to believe it. You want to see you know, that's
fed to someone to save face for him versus the decline.
Like somewhere in all of that the truth lies.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Gary.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
But I think that's where it got really difficult, is
that not only did Douglas and the staff get saddled
with having to cut out to Rogers, it also became
a well, he's clearly GM one a if not supplanting
Joe Douglas on many decisions altogether.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Why bother.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
James out of this?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Exactly? No, I mean, and I'm not and I'm not
putting it on Aaron. I mean, that's the whole thing, right, Like,
even if you got Aaron the GM and the head coach,
if they are one that noise doesn't That's my whole point.
The noise doesn't matter. We know what our goal is,
we know what type of players we want to bring in.
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If that guy doesn't fit that, I can't bring him
into my organization. And that's that's where the problem lies.
You can look at the Jets and see they're swinging
for defenses, but they're swinging like joebu on on on
Major League. He can't hit a change up right, He's
only swinging. He can only hit a fastball. That's what's
happening with the Jets. I know you like that. I'm
(13:44):
gonna buy you at Joe for Christmas now. But it's
it's kind of an echoing shades. And we called it
Jerry Jones light on the show, Smith and I that
it's some of that same Hubris.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
So I figured this out. I figured out business. You know,
I've got this six billion, eight billion dollar asset.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
But his grandfather.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The point is right, try try convincing him as long
as this is a count balance is going up. He
still thinks he's a genius for sure.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So but that's just it. Like getting someone in the
room to uh speak, wisdom to power is not often.
So like this is a curious step. This is one.
You know, we we talked a lot last hour about
the Joe Shane video that gets out.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I want video of this. It ain't coming out.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I want that pitch man like when they when he
go into what Johnson like, how do we start this?
Oh my god, I dude, get out of your own way. Yes, please,
you hire football guys. Let football guys do football things.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
There's point four. That's it right, But Mike, that's it.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, Like the best head coaches in the league, in
my opinion from what I've seen, our guys that are
selfless and they have their egos in tech now they
have an ego, but the egos in chech. Right, You're
gonna hire assistant coaches around you that can be better
than you. Like that should be your that should be
(15:12):
your main objective is to bring other smart people around
you that make you look smarter. You're going to get
the credit. It doesn't matter about anything that happened to you,
don't know, you get the credit.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
How many head coaches have had their their offensive coordinators
and such outshine them though it.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Doesn't matter about outside. The wins and losses go to
the head coach. And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
So I don't you know how ego works in all businesses.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
But and that's let it go. You're gonna get the
you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Get the Yeah, it all comes back on your name.
That's it, because you're also the scapegoat. And when it
goes wrong exactly, So your point about hiring the smartest, yeah,
that's logic.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
But but nobody doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
But but like Woody Joson. You'd think you'd been in
long enough, and you'd been you know, Sissyphus pushing that
rock up the hill with the exception of the Rex Ryan.
And that's where all roads may lead back to Rex
before it's all said and done.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Well, you see my eyes that they can't see it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I don't know that camera I think really caught that one,
and it was a palpable. I think I heard your
heart skip a beat there as we go through. All right,
thirty twenty three now forty five seconds left in this one.
Monday Night Football, the Ravens closing things out, Battle of
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brothers Harbaugh once again Home team falls in this one.
So far back to back nights, a lot of points,
a lot of big plays as we go. You did
get a gust the bus touchdown that nine carries eleven
yards and a score. Lamar Jackson in victory formation to
close this one out. He's carry roads in for Jason Smith.
(17:00):
Rap and recap this one. Start looking back on week
twelve and what we have coming ahead, as we do
have the mutant world of three Thanksgiving Day games, the
Black Friday Game. Yes, you get to watch the Raiders
run out on Black Friday. Maybe actually go to brick
and mortar stores again because you don't want to watch.
I don't know. We'll see, but we'll also have Jason
(17:20):
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Speaker 2 (17:38):
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Speaker 3 (17:48):
Welcome back in Fox Sports or Radio Jason Smith Show
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Jason Smith out tonight in instead, I'll pro safety Musician
Actor Carry Rhods at Carrie twenty five Roads. You hear
him as part of Red Zone Radio here on Sundays,
Dan Byer and he three hours and breaking down all
the good, the bad, the ugly of the games that
(18:10):
were and those that are in front of them, The
fantastic finishes, the curious coaching decisions, et cetera, and then
he'll break it down at Carrie twenty five Roads. But
right now we're gonna head out to the hotline fresh
out the Monday night football finale. It's our guy one
O five seven the fan in Baltimore, Washington Post, longtime
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friend of the show, NFL Insider reporter, our guy, Jason
lock And fora there you go, step up and clash
for the Chargers and the Ravens. More than up to
that task, Jason Locke for how are you?
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I'm doing well, doing well? That game was not quite
as drama filled as I thought it might be, but
obviously a huge stouts back when for the Ravens, who
are in a tough little stretch of games here before
they hit a really late buy. That Eagles game this
weekend is obviously going to be a tough task. Uh
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so they needed to win this one. It's at all possible,
Big AFC went and with the Steelers losing on Thursday,
you know that looks like that's gonna be an interesting
race right down in the end.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Well, Jason, it seems like, you know, obviously it's going
to be a big game against Philly next week. Well, yeah,
this this upcoming week, But I mean the Ravens and
their history and and under I mean, since Lamar has
been there, they dominated the NFC. So I'm not really
I don't know if I don't know if it's gonna
be a good Yeah. Yeah, so we'll see go ahead.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah we will. I I don't think he's
going to go the rest of his career without ever
losing another game to the NFC. And it is weird
because the one game they lost the Giants and they
had like a ten point lead again for really bad
Giants games, and they got to come back on by
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Daniel Jones scoring like seventeen or something in the last
like ten minutes of the game. And that's the one
NFC loss. So yeah, that's be a heat of a
game this weekend. And they got back to being themselves.
And that's a Chargers team that's kind of lightening the
ass in the front seven, right Like they they're they
let you run between the twenties and they want to
take away the deep shots. But this was a whole
(20:20):
lot of old school under center with the three hundred
pound fullback and the two hundred and fifty pound running
back and I formation, you know what I mean, you
guys don't have a whole lot of space eaters and
you don't have a whole lot of two gappers. We
think if we get volume in the run game, we'll
probably play keep away. And that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, right off the jump, right that big for opening
drive from the Chargers, like all right, we're going to
get ourselves a big, heavyweight bout and then it I
don't know, it might have been the leaning and holding
on kind of thing. Well later on for the Chargers,
I think the.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Dobbins injury definitely changed the game. I mean, look, there's
no roll quand Smiths there. He saw all year long
the middle of the field's been open for business underneath,
and then you know, with no rope on there, Dobbins
kind of was was I mean, he was keeping them
on their toes, he was having some explosive runs, he
was getting what he got targeted five times right already
in eleven and a half the game that he played,
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and I think he would have helped them sustain some
drives and hold the ball a little bit and use
those screens as an extension of the run game like
a lock. They were not the better team and they
still probably lost, but that was a significant injury.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
NFL Jason, Well, I mean I was talking about this
game coming to it. I thought it would be, you know,
a little bit more competitive than what it was. I mean,
the final score says seven, but I mean it was
it was. It was bigger than that. And you know
the way that the charges play I made. There's a
running joke with me with I try to sit down
and clock how fast the game is going to go by.
(21:46):
So I thought that they would keep the ball away
from Baltimore and keep it like in the one possession
type of game. But like you said, the JK. Dobbins
injury was really big for them.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah. I think it changed their game plan and they
had a sort of alter things. And then everything got
sped up and there are two possessions down and Baltimore
knows this pass past pass right, and then you see
Van neyt get through on the little stunt game and
he comes through on the inside. Always starts showing up
a lot of guys who hadn't really done much off
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the edge starts showing up in the fourth quarter, and
look that's Baltimore Ravens football. Lamar doesn't turn the ball over.
Lamar made a bunch of big plays on third and
forever right, third and nine, third and ten ye to
sustain some drives. And this was another game where Lamar
didn't really activate his legs, I mean only when he
(22:38):
had to, not a whole lot of design stuff for him.
It's Lamar killing people in the pocket these days.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I made several monster throws. The bullet to Mark Andrews
one we stand down and certainly the Bateman touchdown. Perfect
placement of that football. Thirty twenty three the final there
we'd be remiss. Talked about the the setup of the
next week's matchup with the Eagles and Saquon Barkley and
everybody throwing their flowers his way while burying the Giants
(23:08):
at the same time for the Eagles. So it's the
two team race in the nfaes them in Detroit, right.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I think probably, I mean, yeah, that's right. I mean,
I'm not buying anybody in the NFC South, right, the
NFC South, in the ANFC South, it's kind of like
same as it always was. I know it. Houston kind
of steps up last year, right, So so no nobody there,
Nobody else in the East you tell me who the
best team in the NFC West is. I have no idea. Look,
(23:39):
do I think green Bay could get in that mix?
I do, but I need to see consistency from green Bay.
Like that's great. I made some money on Jordan Love
not throwing a pick for the first time in Jordan
Love was plus one point sixteen at the start of
last week. Not to throw a pick, to not throw
an interception? Could he do that two straight weeks? Right?
Can you go two weeks for throwing? You know? And
(24:01):
he tried to least did have thrown one in that game,
but thankfully he didn't.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I was about to say, Jason, he did throw one
and got.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Called back, but like he didn't try as much as
he had in previous week. So like I do think
Green Bay can be a factor when it's all said
and done. That's still a really young team. I think
they're buying with the decoordinators selling the special teams. Isn't great,
but it's not the worst in the league like it
normally was. So I still think they could get in
(24:28):
that mix. But for right now, the Eagles and the
Lions are in a different class yet, so I.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Guess Jason you're on You're on the train with everyone
else saying the forty nine ers are completely done, right,
that's what you're saying right now?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Well kind of. Look, I didn't like them coming into
the year. I wrote about this at the Washington Post,
just talking to the agents who represent guys on that team,
like talking to advanced scouts who saw them, like talk
to some people who saw some of their joint practices,
and they're like, I don't know, Like this doesn't feel
like this is a dominant team, Like this seems off,
(25:02):
Like their vibes are off. The margins I thought were
going to be really slim for them. The last time
they went to a Super Bowl and lost, it kind
of wiped out the whole next season. And injuries had
something to do with that. An injury certainly has something
to do with this. But yeah, like I think Mason's
the better back right now, but they don't use him
because you know, they're paying the other guy sixteen million
(25:24):
dollars a year and they're hoping they can't get the
other guy going so that he is himself, I guess
for the playoffs, But what if you missed the playoffs
because he's kind of plotting right now. And you see
Mason get in there and he's explosive, Like, I don't know, man,
I don't think they're winning any games without Trent Williams,
so he better come back quickly. Like, no, I'm not
feeling the Niners. I don't know who's winning that division,
(25:46):
but I don't think it's the Niner.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, that division seems to be the any given Sunday version,
as we watched Arizona out of a bye week fall
flat on to Seattle, I'll be remass even with Jason
Smith not here, but we do have a former member
of the Jets here in the studio here. So the
thirty third team stepping in is Woody Johnson just taking
a cursory thing there? I mean, what is this?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
They make me sick, they really do. Like that You're fired,
Mike Tannenbaum, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, and
these guys have never done this before, Like, I just
don't what you know on this team a long time,
Like if you don't have the wherewithal within your organization
(26:36):
and within your contacts to identify a general manager and
a football coach to sell the team to somebody who
can you know, just just end the tarade, take your profits.
It's I just it's kind of goofy, like it's it's
(26:57):
I almost feel like he's trolling people, Like like he's
taking everything that's whispered about him in league circles and saying,
I'm just going to own it, like I'm going to
take it to the next level, Like he should just
pick names out of a hat. Next, he should let
the thirty third team write like ten potential coaching names
on a piece of paper. That should be the extent
of the of the consulting. They write ten names on
(27:21):
a piece of paper, he reaches into a hat and
kicks it out like the guy on Hard Knocks, Like
when they had to hypnotist guy on Hard Knocks they
were gonna be the or bring that guy back and
let him. I'm just let that guy name the coach.
Screw the thirty third team, bring that guy back, Say
who should I hire? And then go hire it? Put
me be any sillier than.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
This, Well, yeah, that's our mess, Jason, so I I yes,
I agree. I put I put out a tweet about that,
just saying like he really I've known what he for
a long time, like from being there. He knows nothing
about football. So if he's the one that's making these hires,
really anyway, they're not gonna win. What's the job been now?
(28:01):
Is it thirteen years? What's what's the playoff job is it?
Was it ten thirteen? How has it been ten years?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
I think it's more than twelve. Then it might be like.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Like something's not right. It's what I'm saying, so like, yeah,
let's let's move on, but let's get away from the Jets,
because there you got enough of the Jet talk right now.
If you had to pick two teams right now, I mean,
I think the obvious right now, I mean I think
a lot of people are saying the Lions from the
NFC out of the AFC. Who's who's the team coming
(28:34):
up of AFC? Right now?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
I still say changes. Any I gotta see somebody beat
them in Arrowhead with the whole thing on the line
in the AFC, you know, like Joe Burrow did it,
like he did it, But he's the only guy. He's
the only guy who went the Arrowhead with the season
on the line and beat them. And so I'm deferring
to that, Like, I know this week in Carolina wasn't pretty.
(29:00):
They're not all going to be pretty, Like this Friday
weird three o'clock kickoff, which I guess it's two o'clock
for them on a Friday, Like I know the Raiders sucked,
but that's probably going to be weird. Like that's a
weird time. This is a weird week, Like they struggled
with the Raiders at home last year, like you know,
on a weird game, right, was that like a noon
Christmas kickoff? Yeah, So like that might not be like
(29:22):
you know, the Hangar in the lou victory, but they'll
probably win that game, and if they win one or
two after that, they're going to be able to rest
guys the final week or two even before the buye
So for me, it's them, and I don't know, like
I might lean Eagles right now. I mean, I don't
want to be too prisoner in the moment. Yeah, and
the Brandon Graham injury hurts, Like I was going to
(29:44):
I was leaning Eagles because of pass rush, but like,
I don't know if that becomes an issue for them.
And we know, obviously, you know the lines that had
terrible luck with that. But yeah, it's kind of chalky,
But that's kind of what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
As they say, you get no Laurel Crowns for outrunning
a burrow, So sometimes you just take that lead and
run with it. Oh, he's Jason locking for on Twitter
at Jason Locke for to read him Washington Post here
in one oh five seven the Fan in Baltimore. Jason,
we appreciate you have a blessed holiday week with your
family and enjoy those gems on Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Oh I will, I will, and you guys do the same. Man.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Thanks, appreciate you, Thank you. Everybody's planning that nap time
right about kickoff with the Giants and the Cowboys or
thereabouts at Carrie twenty five Roads where you find them
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Speaker 2 (30:35):
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Speaker 3 (30:45):
Greetings and welcome. In second half of the show, disco
ball still spinning around, marching band. We need to throw
them out, but we're here with you. It's Mike Carmen
alongside Carrie Road. You heard it, the Big Boys guy
all pro safety, it's do some acting, some music on
the side. You can check it all out at Carry
twenty five Roads. There you'll get the link outs to
everything he's got going on YouTube and Instagram and everything else.
(31:08):
Find me over at Swollen Home. We'll please to be
with you. We know you have a lot of choices
on the highways and byways of life this holiday holiday
holiday week. We appreciate you hanging out with us for
a few minutes, being part of the extended family, which
means you can yell at me, get it out of
your system, so by time you see your actual relatives,
you know it's peace on earth kind of time. What
do you think of that, Carrie, get it out?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Yeah, let's do it, and want me to start.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
If you go ahead, just bring the pain, No, no,
I love you nothing you can still at this point.
I grew up the middle of three boys and yeah, yeah,
we all have acid tongues, so I'm good. I didn't
know you were the middle child there. Okay, see now
you're going to start psychoanalyzes all of them. Now you're going, okay,
(31:54):
that explains this. That the other I'll tell you very succinctly,
you can all beat it in just fine. As we
roll through Week twelve of the NFL season is finally
in the books, a big win for the Ravens thirty
twenty three year final at so far over the Chargers JK. Dobbins.
Some early success leads with an injury changing the complexion
(32:15):
of things. Gus Edwards found the end zone, but just
eleven yards on his nine carries. Justin Herbert trying to
play hero doesn't have that number one option to go to,
which is why keep people keep photo shopping t Higgins
into a Chargers uniform. I mean, let's face the Bengals
having paid Jamar Chase, they not paying him, and you
(32:36):
miss multiple games each year, and folks question, how much
are you really hurt versus this year? For sure, Cowdy versus.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You know all of that.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Louanna Roumo forgot to how to coach defense this year too.
But all of that to say, we're at the point
in the season. Carry whenever we get towards the holidays,
you know it's winning time in the NFL. You know
it as a former player and now watching as it
rolls through, you know each of these games take on significance.
We've talked about scheduling quirks a little bit where we've
(33:08):
got all the backloaded divisional games, certainly in the AFC North,
it seems like we've got a ton of that still
on the slate to go uh the final weeks of
the season because they want to have meaningful football, and
let's face it, for a couple of divisions, those Week
seventeen and wee eighteen games are going to be for
all the marbles.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, that AFC North in particular will be won both South,
that that NFC, that NFC West not NC West. Yeah,
the West is a mess and the NFC.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We got the South with the Falcons and the Buccaneers, Yes,
I guess, But the other one, I'm not saying they're great.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
What's the other one? The NFC?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Well, the East is done, yes, and the Eagles win that.
The North is the Packers and the Vikings. That's going
to come down to the wire. I mean, green Bay
is going to be in there and Minnesota's going to
be in the green Bay is interesting. We talked with
Jason Locking for a little bit last hour, and he
was talking about his prop bets with Jordan Love and interceptions.
And that's the thing that is standing out at this point,
(34:10):
which is the good and the bad of it. And
take me inside as a defensive player, right, the knowledge
that a quarterback will put the ball in the harmed way,
both as a teammate of a guy doing that because
you had those and and and being on the other side,
like take take me through the psychology of you know,
you're watching your offense going and maybe they're chasing points
(34:32):
or or maybe you just know the offensive game plan
may call for a little bit more of an aggressiveness
again against an opponent. You know how much how much
on the sidelines are are you pondering that?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Well, I'll take the defensive approach first. So me going
into a game knowing that the other the quarterback, the
other team quarterback likes to put the ball in in
harm's way, I'll say nicely, yeah, oh I'm I'm licking
my top to going into the But I'm also knowing
that I don't have to go out of my way
to make a play.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I know it's gonna come to me at some point.
So I was a little bit because that was really it.
That's the real thing, because knowing like a guy like
Jordan Love right now, yes, putting the ball up and
he takes his shots. He's got a good wide receiving core.
But as a guy playing safety, how much is your inclinations, Like, well,
I can go get one. Oh, and so maybe you're
you're you're roaming a little more than you would in
(35:26):
a normal game.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
For me and I, all I would do is just
give him the illusion that I'm taking false steps. So
it's just the game in the game. So if it's
cover four and there's a third vertical, or even if
it's two by two, if I see say I had
the tight end side and the tight end state in
(35:48):
the block, I would just hang over on my side
a little longer than usual, just to give him the
illusion that that breaking route by the other two from
the other side, it's going to be open and I'm
gonna go get it. Because I know that's his read,
and I know that he knows he has a really
strong arm so he can make that throw. I'll just
give him a little hesitation like I'm going to the
right and just come back and steal one. But I
don't have to be overly aggressive. I can just take
(36:11):
my time and know that he's going to try to
throw that ball.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
So you get that early acting chops in playing safety
against such quarterbacks. Because that's the thing. What's curious in
the the NFC North is that you've got guys with
that reputation that love more and more. We love the arm.
There's a lot to love, ye, But still, you know,
some of the early looking some of the legends have
their struggles. Most famously we always cite the Peyton Manning thing,
(36:37):
but plenty of others had their high interception rates as
they learned the game. For Jordan Love still on that curve.
For Sam Darnold, everybody keeps waiting for him to turn
into a pumpkin. They are really turned into a pumpkin
this time around, Or is Kevin O'Connell and that staff
finally figured out a little more of how to you know,
shake out the old Jets and Panthers and you know,
(37:00):
whatever we've had from Sam Donald, he.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Won't turn into him pumpkin.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I think the thing about Sam Donald was come into
the league, we knew he was a really good player,
he could play. He went to a situation in New
York where he was not going to be successful at
all the times he was there. They had no weapons either,
and so you get you have the coach who couldn't
(37:23):
really coach well. I mean, he had a good run
in Miami as the offensive coordinator. He had had a
little success there, but wasn't going to be successful in
New York. So he was in a bad situation. He
goes to Carolina. He had he played well in the
beginning of that year in Carolina. Obviously Carolina's not a
good team. So you take him into a real, real
(37:44):
organization that's winning, and you can learn winning habits and
start to pick up winning habits. Then you that's that's
you get a chance to build a new identity in
that situation. Then you go to a team where with
Kevin O'Connell, I think, one of the best coaches in
the league, brilliant and as an offensive guy and play
a quarterback. So you have that guy there to have
(38:07):
actual support and like really during the week do all
the work he can to not be the pumpkin, and
I just don't see him falling back into that.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
So you're looking at Addison, You're looking at Jefferson, Hockinson
back and healthy Aaron Jones giving you great balance and definition,
and even without Darris of they're still running the ball
effectively and making plays. The curiosity and something you and
I were talking about a little bit before the show
is JJ McCarthy, who you drafted as your guy going forward,
(38:37):
had to have a second surgery to address swelling and
some issues in his recovery process. So it causes a
little bit of concern obviously for him and his recovery
process and what that means. But for Sam Darnold there.
I know a bunch of folks have photoshopped Aaron Rodgers
into the Vikings uniform just so he can complete the
(38:58):
Brett Fara.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
I was just about the arc. Yeah, don't do it,
is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Well, if Kevin O'Connell does that in the Vikings, you know,
as you as you termed some teams as real organizations,
you heard that, right, You're not slipping one past the
goalie here to mix sports metaphors for a moment. No, No,
I caught that word real organization. Yeah, because I mean
there's very few of those that we put in that category.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
We talked about it a little bit earlier. The thirty
third team uh off of something you tweeted. That's the
next iteration of what the Jets are gonna do. Find
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go in front of one of these.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Owners, the twenty five Can we call it the twenty
five group? We can whatever, Okay, twenty five group, Okay, yeah,
And it's as long as I get commensurate. Oh, you're right, good, Yeah,
you're good. You're good, You're good. Yeah. We're gonna have
trading cards and everything. That's perfect. Yeah, No, And I
know money for us.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
But it's just the curiosity as we go down the
stretch here is that we do have the reclamation projects,
and we're trying to figure out the separation of teams,
and there's always the reticence to go chalk right. We
do that big board out there that goes into our
the other side of the glass of Super Bowl, and
it's always all right, you want to outthink the room,
(40:19):
but you're like, no, it's chalk right for me. I
ended up putting Buffalo in Philadelphia, Okay, but the one
A is always Kansas City. Like to be the man,
you gotta beat the man. Let's steal the Rick Flair
line while we're at it. But it's that kind of thing.
They don't need to be pretty because we termed it
long ago. I mean Smith and I talked about it,
You and I talking about it. I mean they were
(40:39):
the paint. They became the Patriots last year. Yes, right,
the dynastic. Here's the defensive prowess, and we'll make just
enough plays to gut you in the end. So long
as Reid's calling calling stuff and fifteen is upright and mobile,
it's going to be a tough out.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
And don't forget Spags. I mean what he's doing another
absolutely that's not forget about him. But no, that that
team is so irritating to me. And I know we've
talked about it and I've said it before. They they
are that, they are the Patriots from my time planning,
so I've seen it up close and personal, and it's
we got him, we got it. We need one play,
damn it.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
We can't get the one play.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It sucks. So like it's it's and it's crazy because
they're just they're three points better than every other team
that you get what I'm saying, like, at the end
of the day, you can do all you want and
it can be competitive, and ah, we almost had them,
but they're three points better than you, and it sucks.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Well, but even for this week, right Carolina, and we
talked to again, you know all the off air, we
should we should just film ourselves as we have some
of these conversations. But you know, Bryce Young and what
you know, sitting down for a couple of weeks. Now
he's back and look, they threw some haymakers and big punches.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, but here's what the Chiefs get over, and what
do they get over? Buker's out doesn't matter. The X
man comes in and Schrader hits multiple field goals, including
the game winner, like we got them, No, we don't, no,
we do not know. And then until the clock of
these heroes, we got nothing due.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
It's it's no, it really, it's demoralizing for everybody, not
even the guys that are playing. I'm like, we know
they're three points better, so if you do not knock
them out in a game where that can't happen if
it goes back and back and forth. I don't think
any team is gonna beat them if it goes that way.
(42:33):
It won't happen. If you don't knock them out in
the game and make it to where it's not a
one possession game, you're gonna lose. So that's gonna be
That's gonna be my tailtale as the season goes on.
To beat them, you have to get a lead, and
you have to make them be one dimensional, and you
have to make them get in the position to now
(42:53):
they're a great adjustment team, but you have to make
them go deeper in their bag. And right now, nobody's
made them do that. They it's kind of drove the
car at fifty five miles per hour and you want
to go around, but you can't because they'll go to
the next line. It's like, it's very irritating, just making
enough moves to keep you irritating. And it's curious, right
because you know, we open by talking about you know,
(43:14):
players and quarterbacks touchdown to interception because we go back
years back in the day you fifty to fifty balls
and you know, it's as good as a punk kind
of philosophy was fine. Now it's about sixty eight percent
completion rates, yes, or thereabouts. Obviously I'm exaggerating a little bit,
but the idea is it's short throws, efficient football, don't
(43:34):
turn it over, and with legatrons all across the league,
as long as we give a guy a fifty two
yard and in, we got a shot. Unless you're the Bears,
then you're gonna get it blocked and bad things happen.
Oh man, well that sounds like something. Yeah, well at
that therapy moment.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
In a moment, because we need to hear from eber
Flus in a minute, because I listened to this probably
ten times and it really still just vexes me. So
I've got to hear your opinion as a guy who's
been around and played in the league. But for the NFC,
do we include green Bay to that point Minnesota as
real contenders or is it Philadelphia and Detroit just that
(44:14):
much better? Philadelphia Detroit's definitely the clear one two.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Right now. But there's a lot of season left. Even
though it's down the stretch right now, and it doesn't
seem like a lot of games are left, there's a
lot of there's a lot of games left, so there's
still stuff to be determined here. Obviously, injuries will be
something that could possibly be at play, right, so we
never know what that But right now, at this time,
(44:42):
those are the two. But Green Bay is right there.
Minnesota I still think they have a puncher's chance, and
then I think that's I think that's about it.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Though, that's about it. Everything else seems to be a
we talk about the NFC West in particular, it's the
any given Sunday division, it seems.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Yeah, then right, the winner be eight and nine, not
the Vision.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Forty nine ers. Maybe Purdy comes back. But they're playing Buffalo, Yeah,
Buffalo coming out of a bye week. You're looking at Seattle.
This was the first time that defense had shown up, Yeah,
a long time. And Kyler Murray, I mean, look, they
blitzed the hell out of him. Guess who he faces.
He's got Minnesota this week. He does good luck like
Brian Flores there, he's going after you for sure, right
(45:25):
and you get how quickly are you going to get
the ball out? Like the interception that he threw.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
I know, did I send you that?
Speaker 5 (45:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I sent that to Dan.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
You said it to Dan, I think, But it's one
that like my brothers go all right, I like we
watched football and like we love it. Whatever. It's like,
explain this to me.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
I'm like, I don't know, Yeah, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
It's one on four and he overshot the guy that
he thought was suddenly going to be plastic. Man, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
It was fourth and one. Get the ball to John
Connor anyway, but that's a whole different other story.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Well Connor didn't mean barely fell forward, right, James Connor
was a shell of himself.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
They sold out and took way the run game. I mean, look,
all hats off to Seattle. Yeah, they came out and
did what they needed to make it a more chaotic division.
But we'll circle back to the North with the Ulceran Bears.
You know, they're like Lincoln Riley and the USC Trojans
just one play away.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
You don't want to be that, but that's that's where
we're at.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
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Speaker 3 (46:33):
I'm fill a bus term because I don't want to
talk about the Bears coming against me, get all other way.
But listening to Eberflu's comments, and I actually tweeted this
out earlier, I would love and I put up the
lego meme the everything is awesome because that's what it
seems to me is channeling is going through the head
(46:54):
of Matt Eberflu's always, no matter what decision he makes,
no matter the outcome of the game, everything's awesome. Need
to execute this a little more. Need No, No, We're
asking you for specifics as to why the design, why
the call, what the you know, philosophy was on this,
that the other and then he gives us this gem
(47:15):
huge pass play Donald to Addison and they threw a
challenge flag after the completion. Here's his explanation.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Why.
Speaker 6 (47:24):
Yeah, So the view of that, you know, first of all,
I threw the challenge flag because it was an explosive.
You know, it's sixty nine yards and our defense at
a wonderful job was stopping him, you know there for
a field goal. I was really pleased with that part
of it. But again, when that's an explosive there, we
want to make sure that we want to throw that flag.
(47:45):
And again I understand you know, sideline and all that stuff,
cameras and all that. But they've done a good job
of replay assisting, you know, coming in and working with that.
But again, I think it's always warrants a challenge when
you got that big of a game. If it was
six yards, no care, If it was fifteen yards, I
don't think you would care. But it's seventy yards, it's
worth it even if we don't have the best look that.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
We want to have.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Some of that goes back to the conversation we're having earlier,
the technological stuff where sometimes you have it, sometimes you
don't have those sidelines and you know, the extra cameras,
the extra views. So for competitive balance, they disallow some
of that in the review process. But just the basic
premise of it was an explosive, So we got to
challenge that, and when pressed on it just doubled down
(48:31):
to that level. And it's like, okay, if you're calling
a time out to regroup your defense makes sense, but
saying hey, we got to challenge that, just the logic
of that just failed. And it's the latest in a
long line of eber Flu's eber flucisms to where he's
now going down into trustmen and past iterations of Bears
(48:52):
coaches where you're kind of grasping at straws right, because
you're seeing growth on the offensive side. Anybody that doesn't
see what's happened, even just the last couple of weeks,
and I don't know how much he's got with that,
says he meets with Caleb and everything with regularity. But
either way, what Thomas Brown and those guys are doing
right now on the defensive, on the offensive side of
the ball just starting to click, right, Kayleb's being more decisive,
(49:14):
He's using his legs more. It's more north south as
opposed to just sideline the sideline trying to extend plays
because let's face it, you make that spin move in
the NFL as opposed to when you were at USC,
that linebacker, that cornerback, that defensive end is waiting for
you and he's going to bury you. And you've seen
that multiple times. But with the Bears, myriad decisions, the
(49:37):
fact that the special teams still had their issues a
week after the block field goal against Green Bay, that
that happens immediately again. Now they had a frantic finish
and end up losing somehow with all, what if you
ever thought momentum existed, this would be in the lost
column for momentum in terms.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Of how ended.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
But all of that to say, you got a guy
that you know. The McCaskey Hollis family is just this
side of Jerry Jones and Woody Johnson in terms of
obstinates and reticence to change.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yes, in a new world. That part their old school, right.
They like stability. They know what stability brings. It brings culture, right,
and that's part of it. But I mean, I think
for a lot of us, and you're more invested than
most when it comes to the Bears, maybe a little,
but we can see that there is and has been
(50:39):
since he's been there, a coaching problem. And I say
coaching problem in the sense of developing. I think their
development side is not good. And if you don't have
good development skills when it comes to being a head coach,
you're probably not the right guy for the job. So
(50:59):
I would sy that number one. But when it comes
to that particular conversation and him the explanation explanation of
challenging that play, you don't just challenge it because it's
a deep play. If it's an apparent catch. You don't
challenge it, like you said, if you want to call
(51:19):
time out to get your guys in regroup, go over strategy,
which obviously, like you said, that possession they only give
up three points, but be more I guess intentional with
what you're saying in a way that gives your season
ticket holders, your fans, the people that are invested in
that product, an idea of what's really going on. And
(51:42):
I think you know a lot of coaches these days
try to hide things and kind of take the Belichick
approach with not giving away too much, And that may
be what's going on here. But again I don't know
enough of him to know this conversation. For you, it
definitely irked you. And I'm trying to trying to break
this thing down.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
But I guess it.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Comes back to in the in the locker room, right,
Take that as an example, and look, it's an ISO
thing without the history. You know, I'm not building up
a case like I'm in law school here, but just
the idea of you in a locker room. How quickly
does your BS meter go.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Up on a coach?
Speaker 5 (52:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Quick, like immediately right because right now we're watching in
New York and we'll get the neighbors quote. We'll circle
with them more fully next hour. But you're seeing a
team that'st to a man and they're getting in front
of a microphone, just like all the Bears players did
four weeks ago, right, or yeah, it's a long time ago.
(52:44):
The last win is forty three days ago. But after
the Washington game, that defense is a shell of itself.
It's kind of like after with the Jets, after Salad
got fired. Suddenly those guys aren't playing. Yes, schematically, whatever
you thought of him as a head coach, that guy's
going to be the most sought after defensive coordinator from
this offseason, right, whether he's back in San Francisco or
(53:06):
wherever else. But you know when you've got a rudderless ship.
And we watched the Bears player one after another, after
the explanations about the fifteen yard pass that's set up
the hail Mary, when Jaden Daniels, who's clearly still ailing
from the rib injury, and at that point it was
fresh that he couldn't get the ball down the field. Well,
(53:28):
you're telling me that fifteen yards didn't matter even on
the hail Mary. He didn't get it to the end zone.
Oh that was coach of mal practice. That game was bad, right,
But I mean he went and he's like, well, you
know that fifteen yard pass play didn't matter. Yeah, and
he planted his flag on it. And players look in Chicago,
I mean you know this in New York. Yeah, right,
you're gonna get offers to come on shows. Right, you
(53:50):
might have a recurring paying radio TV or whatever. A
lot of guys in Chicago, no matter how many wins
the team has, guess what great demand for them to
talk and a lot of these guys don't care anymore.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Oh wow? Really what they said?
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Everything they were talking about everything in terms of coaching,
and you know they were all votes of no confidence
weeks ago to where it's like, hey, can you tamp
that down? Like DJ Moore who at times his effort
has been questioned.
Speaker 4 (54:18):
He walked off the field. So I don't want him.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
One was interesting.
Speaker 4 (54:21):
I don't want anything about him at all. Yeah, that
part was that that hurt me.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
But just in general, you've got a guy who was
he's still got a captain c on his But again
showing again the the coaching staff and whether they actually
have the range of thing. How's that still on his
chest for everything that went on. I mean, the whole
world saw that, and that's and in the locker room.
I gotta imagine that did not play.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
It can't.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
This is the guy that got celebrated for the biggest
contract anybody signed with the Bears right the off season
Hard Knocks, like that was the big deal Iberflus's beard
and how much his wife loved his beard and haircut.
They devoted a whole episode which damn haircut beard because
they couldn't curse and they didn't show anything controversial. That
(55:05):
was the rules of engagement.
Speaker 5 (55:07):
Ok.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Giants on it unintentionally or maybe intentionally gave us all
the gaffes with Shane and whatever. But two organizations that
forever were able to hold off the Hard Knocks machine.
And then what do we get out of it? Dj
Moore signed a contract, then he and his family went
to the ice Cream Museum. Those are highlights from the
Bears Hard Knocks.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Oh Man. Yes, when the players are speaking out that way,
it is over. And I'll give an example of knowing
a coaching situation is over. In New York two thousand
and eight with Mangenie, who I love. We've talked recently.
(55:47):
It was a big gap when we didn't talk, But
I love when he came in.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
It was.
Speaker 4 (55:54):
His way or the highway, and we knew that and
we respected that because of all the time and all
the work he put in and how smart he was
and how we knew that we were going to be
prepared for every game. And there was a method to
the madness. Right, we're doing live tackling leading up into
the season. Even early on in the season, we would
(56:16):
do this special teams period where all the scale guys
would actually, like the receivers, dbs, all the all of
us would do one on one like open field tackle
drills like to the ground man, Me and Lavernius Coles
we're tackling. We're like, coach, we got to go. I
gotta play against I gotta get ready for these other guys.
I don't want to tackle it. But we did that
(56:37):
stuff and it was cool. I mean, it ended up
being like we were brother the lawn a little bit,
you know, me and LC. We would keep each other. Look,
we would run hard and.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
No kind of like the lineman would dance speak dancing
All right, we go give them a horror hardy Repper.
Speaker 4 (56:50):
To, what, but we're gonna do it. I know, I'm
a captain, and he's like, we're gonna do it. So
if we do it, the other people will do it
as well. Right, So it's a it's a method to
the maddening sure, and we understood it and it made
us better and we saw the result. They're like, it works,
We're gonna do it. Two thousand and eight comes we
get this old grizzled all pro quarterback to come in,
(57:13):
and you know, then you started to see the chink
in the armor, right because he's not going to follow
all those things and he's not going to do it
that way. But if you're making everybody else do it
and you're sitting that standard, then the standards the standard.
That's the old Moniker.
Speaker 5 (57:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
When you start seeing those things change, you know right
away it's over. And you could see if this doesn't work,
if we don't win a championship or we don't have
like a long, lengthy run, this is over. And you
know that, and the players we know that, Yeah, that's
just the curiosity of how long that works.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
It also goes back to something that is lost art,
and that is tackling in the National Football League. Yes,
so those drills, there's plenty of coaches that would kill
to have the opportunity to run some of them. Again,
you need to, though, I'm not even like, but we've
legislated so much of that out in terms of you know,
two days and time on the field and expectation. Look,
(58:11):
we could have some more classroom time. You can do
it on your own and it's encouraged. But tackling and
a lot of that other stuff. Every year we watch
September football and then you don't recognize it. I know
that We've had this conversation many a time and even now, Man,
we've seen a couple of plays. There was a John
why Smith completion maybe two weeks ago where he should
(58:32):
have been tackled after like a six yard game ended
up going all the way down to the two because
nobody bothered to hit him. Like it was all right,
I'm gonna shoulder tackle and watch this, I'm gonna knock
him out, like, wrap him up and take him to
the ground. Fundamentals going out the window, like not everything
has to be.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
A kill shot. Yeah, that's this social media age though, Mike,
Like everybody wants to be on the gram or be
in some clip on social media making a big play. Yes,
we all want to make big plays, but the simple
wrap up and roll and tackle is it's still effective.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
You know, folks are afraid of, Hey, I'm gonna be
that close to a hip drop with a guy bigger, fat,
you know, the Derek Henry's or whatever that I'm trying
to bring down. But yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy anyway,
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of course he's stationed out there in Baltimore, so getting
the lay of the land. This was a circled game,
(01:32):
not just because of the harball battle, but I think
for both teams tried to test really where there are,
where they are. Carrie, as we get to this, you know,
next phase, right as soon as we get to the holidays,
it feels like a different like for us watching the
games like fandom that it feels like the NFL ratchets
up at that point. Sure, as a player man, depending
(01:53):
on the year, it's either the I'm that much closer
to my vacation or I'm that much closer to a
contract yes, or a coach I don't want to deal
with anymore is gonna be gone. All of these things.
It's to choose your own adventure kind of thing, depending
on where you're at.
Speaker 4 (02:08):
Yes, this time of year can be really fun or
or it can be long and not that fun. So
right now that these two teams, it's still fun. There's
you know, Baltimore is about to go to eight and four.
It looks like and you know, you know Chargers are
going to drop the seven and four. But Chargers are
(02:29):
I'm sure. I think they've already exceeded their Vegas numbers
for wins this year, So already a successful season, already
a successful turnaround. But you can see this is the
Ravens are a step up for them and for the
Charges to really make some noise, they're gonna go. They're
gonna have to go out and get some receivers to
compliment this offense and give Herbert some options downfield, because
(02:55):
you can only win this way to a certain degree.
This isn't the championship type team, playoff type, deep, playoff
run team just yet.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
I just need that more consistent option, right. Mconkey's a
nice He's a nice possession guy with the occasional pop
over the top. Johnston's still in year two uneven every
once in a while the flash and then Distley's been
a nice fine at tight end, but really trying to
figure out, right, especially after you lose two guys that
had been hallmarks for the squad went healthy in Keenan Allen,
(03:26):
who has suddenly found the cliff it seems in Chicago
and it slide down the backside. And then Mike Williams,
who we know at times is all class at times
disappears at times. Well, just the injury issue. As we
look at the the over unders going back to the preseason,
(03:47):
as you alluded to, let's see what did we have
for the Ravens. We were looking at ten and a
half and for the Los Angeles Chargers for whatever reason,
I'm my eyesight must be failing me in my long
old age. At this point, I want to say they
were eight.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And a half. Were they eighth? I don't think they
would be that high with they maybe with hardball coming.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
With Harball, the Raiders are still the Raiders. The expectation
that the Chiefs would slide back and a little and
the Broncos that I mean, because you talk about overachieving,
they've hit their number for sure in bon next playing
some really good football. We'll talk about him a little
bit more because you guys have certainly seen a number
of his games in your window. You and Dan Byer
(04:31):
as part of Red Zone Radio on Sunday afternoons. But
one of the stories that circulating today your old team,
and this goes back to a tweet that you brought up,
that you actually posted and a while ago that seems
to have well, maybe maybe you're the cause of all
of this is that you've got the thirty third team
(04:53):
has stepped forward now your immodest proposal or maybe you know,
aggressive proposal saying hey, hey, we need to have a
you know, some kind of formation of group of people
to get in front of Woody Johnson, his brother whoever
else is still part of the brain trust. But the
thirty third team is now jumping in as part of
(05:14):
an advisory committee. And we actually saw the Jets put
it out saying, hey, we're now beginning our search coach GM.
All this stuff and it's all based on a tweet
you sent out carry Rhades. That's right, So let give
us a little more breadth to to your original proposal here.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Yes, so number one, the Jets are run by Woody Johnson.
Woody Johnson knows nothing about football. Woody Johnson would walk
around and casually be there a day or two when
I was playing, and you know, he'll check on his
prize possessions and he would, you know, get on this
jet and fly back to the city. So that's what
(05:54):
I know when he's tweeting the way that he's tweeting,
and you know, he's showing his prize possessions. I'm here
in London with Aaron Rodgers at dinner, or Quinn Williams
just got his sixth sack of the year when the
team is three and nine or whatever the record is.
That's somebody that's out of touch and that's very clear.
(06:18):
So my proposal and I put on Twitter because all
the twitter Jets Twitter has lost their mind and has
you know, their call for everybody's head and their jobs,
and they've also called for Witty to sell the team,
which right now doesn't sound like a bad idea, but
I don't think he's going to do that. So Mike,
if you're not going to do that, what's the next
(06:38):
option you need to bring? And my proposal to all
the fans and they all, you know, they were kind
of like, oh, this is pretty cool. You bring in
a committee of guys that really have real deep love
and care for that organization.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
So thats like yourself with skin in the game.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
That would be people's skinning the game. Guys has played
guys out of coach maybe that still have an affinity
for him, and you form a committee to come in
and actually give you some tips on how to run
an organization and how to put a a sessful product
on the film.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Now, not that you had great exposure to Woody Johnson,
but outside looking in, I don't know that he's a
man that really wants candid feedback.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
So well, this is all fighting good, right, we get
this and this you at your proposal right that you
put up and you know it's the elevator pitch kind
of decision. Yes, And folks out there, if you want
to do it at Carrie twenty five Roads, at Swollen Dome,
at Fox Sports Radio, your elevator pitch for your your
struggling squad and just fire them all is not acceptable.
(07:44):
You need to give us a little more than that.
You can get in. But the thirty third team. So
it's media technology, so a lot of data driven stuff
for former front office executives. Our friend Jason Cole who
joins us each and every week. Tomorrow we'll find out
if after all these years of making fun of the Jets.
He's actually got any skin in this game in terms
(08:05):
of what he's seen, what he knows, and years of
covering the National Football League. He has a Pro Football
Hall of Fame voter, all of those things. So he's
a voice that's been around a while, and while snarky
with us, then a guy that has been around the
league and has watched the different eras and owners that
(08:26):
have come through, the good, the bad, the ugly, and
the processes therein. But when you get down to it,
you're seeing Spielman's name, You're seeing Tannembond's name, You're seeing
guys that are are noted former NFL executives who are
now part of the thirty third team. Sounds like something
out of a Tom Cruise mystery movie about that. So
(08:49):
now it's the all right, if I got you in
front of Winnie Johnson, like, what's the what's the opener
to your elevator pitch?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
The number one thing with with the Pits would be
it has to be homegrown talent. So you have to
be successful in the draft. Number one, stop trying to
build teams off of names. He's he's he has an
infatuation with names, sure, and even when I was there,
like you know, we had a lot of homegrown talent.
Meant you talk about Tannenbaum, he was a really good drafter.
(09:19):
He got a lot, a lot of steals. I mean,
you know outside of I mean I was a fourth
round guy and came and started from day one. Yet
Leon Washington was the fourth round guy came in, was
a big contributor. Ye had Jericho Contrack, jerichot fourth round pick. Yeah,
the brickishoft Ferguson, Like, you got to build with the
draft first, So that's where it starts. And when you
hire a coach and a GM, they have to be married,
(09:42):
so it has to be one voice coming from them.
If you have one a GM that's trying to do
something or trying to get his name out there and
try to be the best GM that he can be
outside of being the GM and coach relationship, and make
sure that's married. That's another thing. Make sure those guys
know what the heck they want to do, and make
sure it doesn't matter how fiery gets, how the outside
(10:05):
world comes in and tries to tell you how to
do things. Make sure that you have a group of
guys that are ready to stick together and be one
voice throughout this whole thing. That's number two. Number three,
stop hiring guys to be your friend. That's the last thing.
Like you're hiring a quarterback to come in and Aaron
(10:26):
Rodgers obviously who left Green Bay in an unfavorable situation.
I love Aaron Rodgers, he's a friend of mine. But
you bring him there and you know that there's no line.
So you're getting this shining toy, but you can't protect it.
In year one he gets hurt. That's a year gone.
That's a year wasted because you're trying to do something
that isn't a feasible real option. So those are my
(10:47):
three things. Number one, you dropped homegrown talent. Number two,
you get a GM and the head coach that are
on one accord. They're one voice period. Number three, stop
hiring your friends. Hire players that are to come in
and do and care about what they're doing. High character guys,
(11:08):
guys that want to win. That's my pits. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
The third part is the interesting one because that seems
seemingly where it really went off the rails because Joe
Douglas wasn't perfect in his evaluations right, and it depends
which side of the coin you want to look at,
because there's a lot of success. Yes, because coming into
the year this was a roster that was lauded. I
still had great concerns of the offensive line with Rogers
(11:32):
coming off the injury, how well that would work. But overall,
I think if we realistically looked at squad to squad,
they were probably still upper third of the league with
a couple of big explosive players and Garrett Wilson Breese
Hall drafted players. But the last couple of years, Aaron
Rodgers not only did they hire their friends, they hired
(11:54):
all his hangers on and Alan Blizard was really good
with Aaron Rodgers before he got hurt. Again, does it
translate to W's no, but he at least had a
guy that he trusted when he because let's face it,
he's dealing with something and we all like whether it's
just the recovery and the time frame of being aggressive
(12:14):
coming back off the injury, or it's reaggravator or whatever.
Now we have all these reports that he won't get
scans or whatever else and that he's being stubborn. Take
of that with what you will grain assault. You want
to believe it. You want to see you know, that's
fed to someone to save face for him versus the decline.
Like somewhere in all of that the truth lies.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Gary.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
But I think that's where it got really difficult, is
that not only did Douglas and the staff get saddled
with having to cut out to Rogers, it also became
a well, he's clearly GM one a if not supplanting
Joe Douglas on many decisions altogether.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Why bother.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
James out of this?
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Exactly? No, I mean, and I'm not and I'm not
putting it on Aaron. I mean, that's the whole thing, right, Like,
even if you got Aaron the GM and the head coach,
if they are one that noise doesn't That's my whole point.
The noise doesn't matter. We know what our goal is,
we know what type of players we want to bring in.
(13:22):
If that guy doesn't fit that, I can't bring him
into my organization. And that's that's where the problem lies.
You can look at the Jets and see they're swinging
for defenses, but they're swinging like joebu on on on
Major League. He can't hit a change up right, He's
only swinging. He can only hit a fastball. That's what's
happening with the Jets. I know you like that. I'm
(13:44):
gonna buy you at Joe for Christmas now. But it's
it's kind of an echoing shades. And we called it
Jerry Jones light on the show, Smith and I that
it's some of that same Hubris.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
So I figured this out. I figured out business. You know,
I've got this six billion, eight billion dollar asset.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
But his grandfather.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
The point is right, try try convincing him as long
as this is a count balance is going up. He
still thinks he's a genius for sure.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
For sure.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
So but that's just it. Like getting someone in the
room to uh speak, wisdom to power is not often.
So like this is a curious step. This is one.
You know, we we talked a lot last hour about
the Joe Shane video that gets out.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
I want video of this. It ain't coming out.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
I want that pitch man like when they when he
go into what Johnson like, how do we start this?
Oh my god, I dude, get out of your own way. Yes, please,
you hire football guys. Let football guys do football things.
Speaker 4 (14:45):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
There's point four. That's it right, But Mike, that's it.
Speaker 4 (14:49):
Yeah, Like the best head coaches in the league, in
my opinion from what I've seen, our guys that are
selfless and they have their egos in tech now they
have an ego, but the egos in chech. Right, You're
gonna hire assistant coaches around you that can be better
than you. Like that should be your that should be
(15:12):
your main objective is to bring other smart people around
you that make you look smarter. You're going to get
the credit. It doesn't matter about anything that happened to you,
don't know, you get the credit.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
How many head coaches have had their their offensive coordinators
and such outshine them though it.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Doesn't matter about outside. The wins and losses go to
the head coach. And that's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
So I don't you know how ego works in all businesses.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
But and that's let it go. You're gonna get the
you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Get the Yeah, it all comes back on your name.
That's it, because you're also the scapegoat. And when it
goes wrong exactly, So your point about hiring the smartest, yeah,
that's logic.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
But but nobody doesn't.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
But but like Woody Joson. You'd think you'd been in
long enough, and you'd been you know, Sissyphus pushing that
rock up the hill with the exception of the Rex Ryan.
And that's where all roads may lead back to Rex
before it's all said and done.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Well, you see my eyes that they can't see it.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
I don't know that camera I think really caught that one,
and it was a palpable. I think I heard your
heart skip a beat there as we go through. All right,
thirty twenty three now forty five seconds left in this one.
Monday Night Football, the Ravens closing things out, Battle of
(16:36):
brothers Harbaugh once again Home team falls in this one.
So far back to back nights, a lot of points,
a lot of big plays as we go. You did
get a gust the bus touchdown that nine carries eleven
yards and a score. Lamar Jackson in victory formation to
close this one out. He's carry roads in for Jason Smith.
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Rap and recap this one. Start looking back on week
twelve and what we have coming ahead, as we do
have the mutant world of three Thanksgiving Day games, the
Black Friday Game. Yes, you get to watch the Raiders
run out on Black Friday. Maybe actually go to brick
and mortar stores again because you don't want to watch.
I don't know. We'll see, but we'll also have Jason
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the good, the bad, the ugly of the games that
(18:10):
were and those that are in front of them, The
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right now we're gonna head out to the hotline fresh
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friend of the show, NFL Insider reporter, our guy, Jason
lock And fora there you go, step up and clash
for the Chargers and the Ravens. More than up to
that task, Jason Locke for how are you?
Speaker 5 (18:44):
I'm doing well, doing well? That game was not quite
as drama filled as I thought it might be, but
obviously a huge stouts back when for the Ravens, who
are in a tough little stretch of games here before
they hit a really late buy. That Eagles game this
weekend is obviously going to be a tough task. Uh
(19:04):
so they needed to win this one. It's at all possible,
Big AFC went and with the Steelers losing on Thursday,
you know that looks like that's gonna be an interesting
race right down in the end.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Well, Jason, it seems like, you know, obviously it's going
to be a big game against Philly next week. Well, yeah,
this this upcoming week, But I mean the Ravens and
their history and and under I mean, since Lamar has
been there, they dominated the NFC. So I'm not really
I don't know if I don't know if it's gonna
be a good Yeah. Yeah, so we'll see go ahead.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Yeah yeah, yeah we will. I I don't think he's
going to go the rest of his career without ever
losing another game to the NFC. And it is weird
because the one game they lost the Giants and they
had like a ten point lead again for really bad
Giants games, and they got to come back on by
(19:58):
Daniel Jones scoring like seventeen or something in the last
like ten minutes of the game. And that's the one
NFC loss. So yeah, that's be a heat of a
game this weekend. And they got back to being themselves.
And that's a Chargers team that's kind of lightening the
ass in the front seven, right Like they they're they
let you run between the twenties and they want to
take away the deep shots. But this was a whole
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lot of old school under center with the three hundred
pound fullback and the two hundred and fifty pound running
back and I formation, you know what I mean, you
guys don't have a whole lot of space eaters and
you don't have a whole lot of two gappers. We
think if we get volume in the run game, we'll
probably play keep away. And that's kind of what happened.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, right off the jump, right that big for opening
drive from the Chargers, like all right, we're going to
get ourselves a big, heavyweight bout and then it I
don't know, it might have been the leaning and holding
on kind of thing. Well later on for the Chargers,
I think the.
Speaker 5 (20:51):
Dobbins injury definitely changed the game. I mean, look, there's
no roll quand Smiths there. He saw all year long
the middle of the field's been open for business underneath,
and then you know, with no rope on there, Dobbins
kind of was was I mean, he was keeping them
on their toes, he was having some explosive runs, he
was getting what he got targeted five times right already
in eleven and a half the game that he played,
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and I think he would have helped them sustain some
drives and hold the ball a little bit and use
those screens as an extension of the run game like
a lock. They were not the better team and they
still probably lost, but that was a significant injury.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
NFL Jason, Well, I mean I was talking about this
game coming to it. I thought it would be, you know,
a little bit more competitive than what it was. I mean,
the final score says seven, but I mean it was
it was. It was bigger than that. And you know
the way that the charges play I made. There's a
running joke with me with I try to sit down
and clock how fast the game is going to go by.
(21:46):
So I thought that they would keep the ball away
from Baltimore and keep it like in the one possession
type of game. But like you said, the JK. Dobbins
injury was really big for them.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
Yeah. I think it changed their game plan and they
had a sort of alter things. And then everything got
sped up and there are two possessions down and Baltimore
knows this pass past pass right, and then you see
Van neyt get through on the little stunt game and
he comes through on the inside. Always starts showing up
a lot of guys who hadn't really done much off
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the edge starts showing up in the fourth quarter, and
look that's Baltimore Ravens football. Lamar doesn't turn the ball over.
Lamar made a bunch of big plays on third and
forever right, third and nine, third and ten ye to
sustain some drives. And this was another game where Lamar
didn't really activate his legs, I mean only when he
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had to, not a whole lot of design stuff for him.
It's Lamar killing people in the pocket these days.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
I love it. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I made several monster throws. The bullet to Mark Andrews
one we stand down and certainly the Bateman touchdown. Perfect
placement of that football. Thirty twenty three the final there
we'd be remiss. Talked about the the setup of the
next week's matchup with the Eagles and Saquon Barkley and
everybody throwing their flowers his way while burying the Giants
(23:08):
at the same time for the Eagles. So it's the
two team race in the nfaes them in Detroit, right.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
I think probably, I mean, yeah, that's right. I mean,
I'm not buying anybody in the NFC South, right, the
NFC South, in the ANFC South, it's kind of like
same as it always was. I know it. Houston kind
of steps up last year, right, So so no nobody there,
Nobody else in the East you tell me who the
best team in the NFC West is. I have no idea. Look,
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do I think green Bay could get in that mix?
I do, but I need to see consistency from green Bay.
Like that's great. I made some money on Jordan Love
not throwing a pick for the first time in Jordan
Love was plus one point sixteen at the start of
last week. Not to throw a pick, to not throw
an interception? Could he do that two straight weeks? Right?
Can you go two weeks for throwing? You know? And
(24:01):
he tried to least did have thrown one in that game,
but thankfully he didn't.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I was about to say, Jason, he did throw one
and got.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Called back, but like he didn't try as much as
he had in previous week. So like I do think
Green Bay can be a factor when it's all said
and done. That's still a really young team. I think
they're buying with the decoordinators selling the special teams. Isn't great,
but it's not the worst in the league like it
normally was. So I still think they could get in
(24:28):
that mix. But for right now, the Eagles and the
Lions are in a different class yet, so I.
Speaker 4 (24:32):
Guess Jason you're on You're on the train with everyone
else saying the forty nine ers are completely done, right,
that's what you're saying right now?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Well kind of. Look, I didn't like them coming into
the year. I wrote about this at the Washington Post,
just talking to the agents who represent guys on that team,
like talking to advanced scouts who saw them, like talk
to some people who saw some of their joint practices,
and they're like, I don't know, Like this doesn't feel
like this is a dominant team, Like this seems off,
(25:02):
Like their vibes are off. The margins I thought were
going to be really slim for them. The last time
they went to a Super Bowl and lost, it kind
of wiped out the whole next season. And injuries had
something to do with that. An injury certainly has something
to do with this. But yeah, like I think Mason's
the better back right now, but they don't use him
because you know, they're paying the other guy sixteen million
(25:24):
dollars a year and they're hoping they can't get the
other guy going so that he is himself, I guess
for the playoffs, But what if you missed the playoffs
because he's kind of plotting right now. And you see
Mason get in there and he's explosive, Like, I don't know, man,
I don't think they're winning any games without Trent Williams,
so he better come back quickly. Like, no, I'm not
feeling the Niners. I don't know who's winning that division,
(25:46):
but I don't think it's the Niner.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, that division seems to be the any given Sunday version,
as we watched Arizona out of a bye week fall
flat on to Seattle, I'll be remass even with Jason
Smith not here, but we do have a former member
of the Jets here in the studio here. So the
thirty third team stepping in is Woody Johnson just taking
a cursory thing there? I mean, what is this?
Speaker 5 (26:09):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
They make me sick, they really do. Like that You're fired,
Mike Tannenbaum, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, and
these guys have never done this before, Like, I just
don't what you know on this team a long time,
Like if you don't have the wherewithal within your organization
(26:36):
and within your contacts to identify a general manager and
a football coach to sell the team to somebody who
can you know, just just end the tarade, take your profits.
It's I just it's kind of goofy, like it's it's
(26:57):
I almost feel like he's trolling people, Like like he's
taking everything that's whispered about him in league circles and saying,
I'm just going to own it, like I'm going to
take it to the next level, Like he should just
pick names out of a hat. Next, he should let
the thirty third team write like ten potential coaching names
on a piece of paper. That should be the extent
of the of the consulting. They write ten names on
(27:21):
a piece of paper, he reaches into a hat and
kicks it out like the guy on Hard Knocks, Like
when they had to hypnotist guy on Hard Knocks they
were gonna be the or bring that guy back and
let him. I'm just let that guy name the coach.
Screw the thirty third team, bring that guy back, Say
who should I hire? And then go hire it? Put
me be any sillier than.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
This, Well, yeah, that's our mess, Jason, so I I yes,
I agree. I put I put out a tweet about that,
just saying like he really I've known what he for
a long time, like from being there. He knows nothing
about football. So if he's the one that's making these hires,
really anyway, they're not gonna win. What's the job been now?
(28:01):
Is it thirteen years? What's what's the playoff job is it?
Was it ten thirteen? How has it been ten years?
Speaker 5 (28:08):
I think it's more than twelve. Then it might be like.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
Like something's not right. It's what I'm saying, so like, yeah,
let's let's move on, but let's get away from the Jets,
because there you got enough of the Jet talk right now.
If you had to pick two teams right now, I mean,
I think the obvious right now, I mean I think
a lot of people are saying the Lions from the
NFC out of the AFC. Who's who's the team coming
(28:34):
up of AFC? Right now?
Speaker 5 (28:38):
I still say changes. Any I gotta see somebody beat
them in Arrowhead with the whole thing on the line
in the AFC, you know, like Joe Burrow did it,
like he did it, But he's the only guy. He's
the only guy who went the Arrowhead with the season
on the line and beat them. And so I'm deferring
to that, Like, I know this week in Carolina wasn't pretty.
(29:00):
They're not all going to be pretty, Like this Friday
weird three o'clock kickoff, which I guess it's two o'clock
for them on a Friday, Like I know the Raiders sucked,
but that's probably going to be weird. Like that's a
weird time. This is a weird week, Like they struggled
with the Raiders at home last year, like you know,
on a weird game, right, was that like a noon
Christmas kickoff? Yeah, So like that might not be like
(29:22):
you know, the Hangar in the lou victory, but they'll
probably win that game, and if they win one or
two after that, they're going to be able to rest
guys the final week or two even before the buye
So for me, it's them, and I don't know, like
I might lean Eagles right now. I mean, I don't
want to be too prisoner in the moment. Yeah, and
the Brandon Graham injury hurts, Like I was going to
(29:44):
I was leaning Eagles because of pass rush, but like,
I don't know if that becomes an issue for them.
And we know, obviously, you know the lines that had
terrible luck with that. But yeah, it's kind of chalky,
But that's kind of what I'm thinking.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
As they say, you get no Laurel Crowns for outrunning
a burrow, So sometimes you just take that lead and
run with it. Oh, he's Jason locking for on Twitter
at Jason Locke for to read him Washington Post here
in one oh five seven the Fan in Baltimore. Jason,
we appreciate you have a blessed holiday week with your
family and enjoy those gems on Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 5 (30:20):
Oh I will, I will, and you guys do the same. Man.
Speaker 3 (30:23):
Thanks, appreciate you, Thank you. Everybody's planning that nap time
right about kickoff with the Giants and the Cowboys or
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Speaker 2 (30:35):
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Speaker 3 (30:45):
Greetings and welcome. In second half of the show, disco
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them out, but we're here with you. It's Mike Carmen
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(31:08):
Find me over at Swollen Home. We'll please to be
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on the highways and byways of life this holiday holiday
holiday week. We appreciate you hanging out with us for
a few minutes, being part of the extended family, which
means you can yell at me, get it out of
your system, so by time you see your actual relatives,
you know it's peace on earth kind of time. What
do you think of that, Carrie, get it out?
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Yeah, let's do it, and want me to start.
Speaker 3 (31:31):
If you go ahead, just bring the pain, No, no,
I love you nothing you can still at this point.
I grew up the middle of three boys and yeah, yeah,
we all have acid tongues, so I'm good. I didn't
know you were the middle child there. Okay, see now
you're going to start psychoanalyzes all of them. Now you're going, okay,
(31:54):
that explains this. That the other I'll tell you very succinctly,
you can all beat it in just fine. As we
roll through Week twelve of the NFL season is finally
in the books, a big win for the Ravens thirty
twenty three year final at so far over the Chargers JK. Dobbins.
Some early success leads with an injury changing the complexion
(32:15):
of things. Gus Edwards found the end zone, but just
eleven yards on his nine carries. Justin Herbert trying to
play hero doesn't have that number one option to go to,
which is why keep people keep photo shopping t Higgins
into a Chargers uniform. I mean, let's face the Bengals
having paid Jamar Chase, they not paying him, and you
(32:36):
miss multiple games each year, and folks question, how much
are you really hurt versus this year? For sure, Cowdy versus.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
You know all of that.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
Louanna Roumo forgot to how to coach defense this year too.
But all of that to say, we're at the point
in the season. Carry whenever we get towards the holidays,
you know it's winning time in the NFL. You know
it as a former player and now watching as it
rolls through, you know each of these games take on significance.
We've talked about scheduling quirks a little bit where we've
(33:08):
got all the backloaded divisional games, certainly in the AFC North,
it seems like we've got a ton of that still
on the slate to go uh the final weeks of
the season because they want to have meaningful football, and
let's face it, for a couple of divisions, those Week
seventeen and wee eighteen games are going to be for
all the marbles.
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Yeah, that AFC North in particular will be won both South,
that that NFC, that NFC West not NC West. Yeah,
the West is a mess and the NFC.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
We got the South with the Falcons and the Buccaneers, Yes,
I guess, But the other one, I'm not saying they're great.
Speaker 4 (33:46):
What's the other one? The NFC?
Speaker 3 (33:49):
Well, the East is done, yes, and the Eagles win that.
The North is the Packers and the Vikings. That's going
to come down to the wire. I mean, green Bay
is going to be in there and Minnesota's going to
be in the green Bay is interesting. We talked with
Jason Locking for a little bit last hour, and he
was talking about his prop bets with Jordan Love and interceptions.
And that's the thing that is standing out at this point,
(34:10):
which is the good and the bad of it. And
take me inside as a defensive player, right, the knowledge
that a quarterback will put the ball in the harmed way,
both as a teammate of a guy doing that because
you had those and and and being on the other side,
like take take me through the psychology of you know,
you're watching your offense going and maybe they're chasing points
(34:32):
or or maybe you just know the offensive game plan
may call for a little bit more of an aggressiveness
again against an opponent. You know how much how much
on the sidelines are are you pondering that?
Speaker 4 (34:44):
Well, I'll take the defensive approach first. So me going
into a game knowing that the other the quarterback, the
other team quarterback likes to put the ball in in
harm's way, I'll say nicely, yeah, oh I'm I'm licking
my top to going into the But I'm also knowing
that I don't have to go out of my way
to make a play.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
I know it's gonna come to me at some point.
So I was a little bit because that was really it.
That's the real thing, because knowing like a guy like
Jordan Love right now, yes, putting the ball up and
he takes his shots. He's got a good wide receiving core.
But as a guy playing safety, how much is your inclinations, Like, well,
I can go get one. Oh, and so maybe you're
you're you're roaming a little more than you would in
(35:26):
a normal game.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
For me and I, all I would do is just
give him the illusion that I'm taking false steps. So
it's just the game in the game. So if it's
cover four and there's a third vertical, or even if
it's two by two, if I see say I had
the tight end side and the tight end state in
(35:48):
the block, I would just hang over on my side
a little longer than usual, just to give him the
illusion that that breaking route by the other two from
the other side, it's going to be open and I'm
gonna go get it. Because I know that's his read,
and I know that he knows he has a really
strong arm so he can make that throw. I'll just
give him a little hesitation like I'm going to the
right and just come back and steal one. But I
don't have to be overly aggressive. I can just take
(36:11):
my time and know that he's going to try to
throw that ball.
Speaker 3 (36:14):
So you get that early acting chops in playing safety
against such quarterbacks. Because that's the thing. What's curious in
the the NFC North is that you've got guys with
that reputation that love more and more. We love the arm.
There's a lot to love, ye, But still, you know,
some of the early looking some of the legends have
their struggles. Most famously we always cite the Peyton Manning thing,
(36:37):
but plenty of others had their high interception rates as
they learned the game. For Jordan Love still on that curve.
For Sam Darnold, everybody keeps waiting for him to turn
into a pumpkin. They are really turned into a pumpkin
this time around, Or is Kevin O'Connell and that staff
finally figured out a little more of how to you know,
shake out the old Jets and Panthers and you know,
(37:00):
whatever we've had from Sam Donald, he.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
Won't turn into him pumpkin.
Speaker 5 (37:02):
No.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
I think the thing about Sam Donald was come into
the league, we knew he was a really good player,
he could play. He went to a situation in New
York where he was not going to be successful at
all the times he was there. They had no weapons either,
and so you get you have the coach who couldn't
(37:23):
really coach well. I mean, he had a good run
in Miami as the offensive coordinator. He had had a
little success there, but wasn't going to be successful in
New York. So he was in a bad situation. He
goes to Carolina. He had he played well in the
beginning of that year in Carolina. Obviously Carolina's not a
good team. So you take him into a real, real
(37:44):
organization that's winning, and you can learn winning habits and
start to pick up winning habits. Then you that's that's
you get a chance to build a new identity in
that situation. Then you go to a team where with
Kevin O'Connell, I think, one of the best coaches in
the league, brilliant and as an offensive guy and play
a quarterback. So you have that guy there to have
(38:07):
actual support and like really during the week do all
the work he can to not be the pumpkin, and
I just don't see him falling back into that.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
So you're looking at Addison, You're looking at Jefferson, Hockinson
back and healthy Aaron Jones giving you great balance and definition,
and even without Darris of they're still running the ball
effectively and making plays. The curiosity and something you and
I were talking about a little bit before the show
is JJ McCarthy, who you drafted as your guy going forward,
(38:37):
had to have a second surgery to address swelling and
some issues in his recovery process. So it causes a
little bit of concern obviously for him and his recovery
process and what that means. But for Sam Darnold there.
I know a bunch of folks have photoshopped Aaron Rodgers
into the Vikings uniform just so he can complete the
(38:58):
Brett Fara.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
I was just about the arc. Yeah, don't do it,
is what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:04):
Well, if Kevin O'Connell does that in the Vikings, you know,
as you as you termed some teams as real organizations,
you heard that, right, You're not slipping one past the
goalie here to mix sports metaphors for a moment. No, No,
I caught that word real organization. Yeah, because I mean
there's very few of those that we put in that category.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
Right.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
We talked about it a little bit earlier. The thirty
third team uh off of something you tweeted. That's the
next iteration of what the Jets are gonna do. Find
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go in front of one of these.
Speaker 4 (39:43):
Owners, the twenty five Can we call it the twenty
five group? We can whatever, Okay, twenty five group, Okay, yeah,
And it's as long as I get commensurate. Oh, you're right, good, Yeah,
you're good. You're good, You're good. Yeah. We're gonna have
trading cards and everything. That's perfect. Yeah, No, And I
know money for us.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
But it's just the curiosity as we go down the
stretch here is that we do have the reclamation projects,
and we're trying to figure out the separation of teams,
and there's always the reticence to go chalk right. We
do that big board out there that goes into our
the other side of the glass of Super Bowl, and
it's always all right, you want to outthink the room,
(40:19):
but you're like, no, it's chalk right for me. I
ended up putting Buffalo in Philadelphia, Okay, but the one
A is always Kansas City. Like to be the man,
you gotta beat the man. Let's steal the Rick Flair
line while we're at it. But it's that kind of thing.
They don't need to be pretty because we termed it
long ago. I mean Smith and I talked about it,
You and I talking about it. I mean they were
(40:39):
the paint. They became the Patriots last year. Yes, right,
the dynastic. Here's the defensive prowess, and we'll make just
enough plays to gut you in the end. So long
as Reid's calling calling stuff and fifteen is upright and mobile,
it's going to be a tough out.
Speaker 4 (40:56):
And don't forget Spags. I mean what he's doing another
absolutely that's not forget about him. But no, that that
team is so irritating to me. And I know we've
talked about it and I've said it before. They they
are that, they are the Patriots from my time planning,
so I've seen it up close and personal, and it's
we got him, we got it. We need one play,
damn it.
Speaker 3 (41:16):
We can't get the one play.
Speaker 4 (41:17):
It sucks. So like it's it's and it's crazy because
they're just they're three points better than every other team
that you get what I'm saying, like, at the end
of the day, you can do all you want and
it can be competitive, and ah, we almost had them,
but they're three points better than you, and it sucks.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Well, but even for this week, right Carolina, and we
talked to again, you know all the off air, we
should we should just film ourselves as we have some
of these conversations. But you know, Bryce Young and what
you know, sitting down for a couple of weeks. Now
he's back and look, they threw some haymakers and big punches.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
It's good.
Speaker 3 (41:55):
Yeah, but here's what the Chiefs get over, and what
do they get over? Buker's out doesn't matter. The X
man comes in and Schrader hits multiple field goals, including
the game winner, like we got them, No, we don't, no,
we do not know. And then until the clock of
these heroes, we got nothing due.
Speaker 4 (42:11):
It's it's no, it really, it's demoralizing for everybody, not
even the guys that are playing. I'm like, we know
they're three points better, so if you do not knock
them out in a game where that can't happen if
it goes back and back and forth. I don't think
any team is gonna beat them if it goes that way.
(42:33):
It won't happen. If you don't knock them out in
the game and make it to where it's not a
one possession game, you're gonna lose. So that's gonna be
That's gonna be my tailtale as the season goes on.
To beat them, you have to get a lead, and
you have to make them be one dimensional, and you
have to make them get in the position to now
(42:53):
they're a great adjustment team, but you have to make
them go deeper in their bag. And right now, nobody's
made them do that. They it's kind of drove the
car at fifty five miles per hour and you want
to go around, but you can't because they'll go to
the next line. It's like, it's very irritating, just making
enough moves to keep you irritating. And it's curious, right
because you know, we open by talking about you know,
(43:14):
players and quarterbacks touchdown to interception because we go back
years back in the day you fifty to fifty balls
and you know, it's as good as a punk kind
of philosophy was fine. Now it's about sixty eight percent
completion rates, yes, or thereabouts. Obviously I'm exaggerating a little bit,
but the idea is it's short throws, efficient football, don't
(43:34):
turn it over, and with legatrons all across the league,
as long as we give a guy a fifty two
yard and in, we got a shot. Unless you're the Bears,
then you're gonna get it blocked and bad things happen.
Oh man, well that sounds like something. Yeah, well at
that therapy moment.
Speaker 3 (43:49):
In a moment, because we need to hear from eber
Flus in a minute, because I listened to this probably
ten times and it really still just vexes me. So
I've got to hear your opinion as a guy who's
been around and played in the league. But for the NFC,
do we include green Bay to that point Minnesota as
real contenders or is it Philadelphia and Detroit just that
(44:14):
much better? Philadelphia Detroit's definitely the clear one two.
Speaker 4 (44:20):
Right now. But there's a lot of season left. Even
though it's down the stretch right now, and it doesn't
seem like a lot of games are left, there's a
lot of there's a lot of games left, so there's
still stuff to be determined here. Obviously, injuries will be
something that could possibly be at play, right, so we
never know what that But right now, at this time,
(44:42):
those are the two. But Green Bay is right there.
Minnesota I still think they have a puncher's chance, and
then I think that's I think that's about it.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Though, that's about it. Everything else seems to be a
we talk about the NFC West in particular, it's the
any given Sunday division, it seems.
Speaker 4 (44:59):
Yeah, then right, the winner be eight and nine, not
the Vision.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Forty nine ers. Maybe Purdy comes back. But they're playing Buffalo, Yeah,
Buffalo coming out of a bye week. You're looking at Seattle.
This was the first time that defense had shown up, Yeah,
a long time. And Kyler Murray, I mean, look, they
blitzed the hell out of him. Guess who he faces.
He's got Minnesota this week. He does good luck like
Brian Flores there, he's going after you for sure, right
(45:25):
and you get how quickly are you going to get
the ball out? Like the interception that he threw.
Speaker 4 (45:29):
I know, did I send you that?
Speaker 5 (45:30):
No?
Speaker 4 (45:30):
I sent that to Dan.
Speaker 3 (45:31):
You said it to Dan, I think, But it's one
that like my brothers go all right, I like we
watched football and like we love it. Whatever. It's like,
explain this to me.
Speaker 4 (45:40):
I'm like, I don't know, Yeah, I know, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:42):
It's one on four and he overshot the guy that
he thought was suddenly going to be plastic. Man, I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:49):
It was fourth and one. Get the ball to John
Connor anyway, but that's a whole different other story.
Speaker 3 (45:53):
Well Connor didn't mean barely fell forward, right, James Connor
was a shell of himself.
Speaker 5 (45:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (45:58):
They sold out and took way the run game. I mean, look,
all hats off to Seattle. Yeah, they came out and
did what they needed to make it a more chaotic division.
But we'll circle back to the North with the Ulceran Bears.
You know, they're like Lincoln Riley and the USC Trojans
just one play away.
Speaker 4 (46:19):
You don't want to be that, but that's that's where
we're at.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
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Speaker 3 (46:33):
I'm fill a bus term because I don't want to
talk about the Bears coming against me, get all other way.
But listening to Eberflu's comments, and I actually tweeted this
out earlier, I would love and I put up the
lego meme the everything is awesome because that's what it
seems to me is channeling is going through the head
(46:54):
of Matt Eberflu's always, no matter what decision he makes,
no matter the outcome of the game, everything's awesome. Need
to execute this a little more. Need No, No, We're
asking you for specifics as to why the design, why
the call, what the you know, philosophy was on this,
that the other and then he gives us this gem
(47:15):
huge pass play Donald to Addison and they threw a
challenge flag after the completion. Here's his explanation.
Speaker 5 (47:24):
Why.
Speaker 6 (47:24):
Yeah, So the view of that, you know, first of all,
I threw the challenge flag because it was an explosive.
You know, it's sixty nine yards and our defense at
a wonderful job was stopping him, you know there for
a field goal. I was really pleased with that part
of it. But again, when that's an explosive there, we
want to make sure that we want to throw that flag.
(47:45):
And again I understand you know, sideline and all that stuff,
cameras and all that. But they've done a good job
of replay assisting, you know, coming in and working with that.
But again, I think it's always warrants a challenge when
you got that big of a game. If it was
six yards, no care, If it was fifteen yards, I
don't think you would care. But it's seventy yards, it's
worth it even if we don't have the best look that.
Speaker 4 (48:07):
We want to have.
Speaker 3 (48:08):
Some of that goes back to the conversation we're having earlier,
the technological stuff where sometimes you have it, sometimes you
don't have those sidelines and you know, the extra cameras,
the extra views. So for competitive balance, they disallow some
of that in the review process. But just the basic
premise of it was an explosive, So we got to
challenge that, and when pressed on it just doubled down
(48:31):
to that level. And it's like, okay, if you're calling
a time out to regroup your defense makes sense, but
saying hey, we got to challenge that, just the logic
of that just failed. And it's the latest in a
long line of eber Flu's eber flucisms to where he's
now going down into trustmen and past iterations of Bears
(48:52):
coaches where you're kind of grasping at straws right, because
you're seeing growth on the offensive side. Anybody that doesn't
see what's happened, even just the last couple of weeks,
and I don't know how much he's got with that,
says he meets with Caleb and everything with regularity. But
either way, what Thomas Brown and those guys are doing
right now on the defensive, on the offensive side of
the ball just starting to click, right, Kayleb's being more decisive,
(49:14):
He's using his legs more. It's more north south as
opposed to just sideline the sideline trying to extend plays
because let's face it, you make that spin move in
the NFL as opposed to when you were at USC,
that linebacker, that cornerback, that defensive end is waiting for
you and he's going to bury you. And you've seen
that multiple times. But with the Bears, myriad decisions, the
(49:37):
fact that the special teams still had their issues a
week after the block field goal against Green Bay, that
that happens immediately again. Now they had a frantic finish
and end up losing somehow with all, what if you
ever thought momentum existed, this would be in the lost
column for momentum in terms.
Speaker 4 (49:59):
Of how ended.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
But all of that to say, you got a guy
that you know. The McCaskey Hollis family is just this
side of Jerry Jones and Woody Johnson in terms of
obstinates and reticence to change.
Speaker 4 (50:17):
Yes, in a new world. That part their old school, right.
They like stability. They know what stability brings. It brings culture, right,
and that's part of it. But I mean, I think
for a lot of us, and you're more invested than
most when it comes to the Bears, maybe a little,
but we can see that there is and has been
(50:39):
since he's been there, a coaching problem. And I say
coaching problem in the sense of developing. I think their
development side is not good. And if you don't have
good development skills when it comes to being a head coach,
you're probably not the right guy for the job. So
(50:59):
I would sy that number one. But when it comes
to that particular conversation and him the explanation explanation of
challenging that play, you don't just challenge it because it's
a deep play. If it's an apparent catch. You don't
challenge it, like you said, if you want to call
(51:19):
time out to get your guys in regroup, go over strategy,
which obviously, like you said, that possession they only give
up three points, but be more I guess intentional with
what you're saying in a way that gives your season
ticket holders, your fans, the people that are invested in
that product, an idea of what's really going on. And
(51:42):
I think you know a lot of coaches these days
try to hide things and kind of take the Belichick
approach with not giving away too much, And that may
be what's going on here. But again I don't know
enough of him to know this conversation. For you, it
definitely irked you. And I'm trying to trying to break
this thing down.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
But I guess it.
Speaker 3 (52:02):
Comes back to in the in the locker room, right,
Take that as an example, and look, it's an ISO
thing without the history. You know, I'm not building up
a case like I'm in law school here, but just
the idea of you in a locker room. How quickly
does your BS meter go.
Speaker 4 (52:22):
Up on a coach?
Speaker 5 (52:24):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (52:24):
Quick, like immediately right because right now we're watching in
New York and we'll get the neighbors quote. We'll circle
with them more fully next hour. But you're seeing a
team that'st to a man and they're getting in front
of a microphone, just like all the Bears players did
four weeks ago, right, or yeah, it's a long time ago.
(52:44):
The last win is forty three days ago. But after
the Washington game, that defense is a shell of itself.
It's kind of like after with the Jets, after Salad
got fired. Suddenly those guys aren't playing. Yes, schematically, whatever
you thought of him as a head coach, that guy's
going to be the most sought after defensive coordinator from
this offseason, right, whether he's back in San Francisco or
(53:06):
wherever else. But you know when you've got a rudderless ship.
And we watched the Bears player one after another, after
the explanations about the fifteen yard pass that's set up
the hail Mary, when Jaden Daniels, who's clearly still ailing
from the rib injury, and at that point it was
fresh that he couldn't get the ball down the field. Well,
(53:28):
you're telling me that fifteen yards didn't matter even on
the hail Mary. He didn't get it to the end zone.
Oh that was coach of mal practice. That game was bad, right,
But I mean he went and he's like, well, you
know that fifteen yard pass play didn't matter. Yeah, and
he planted his flag on it. And players look in Chicago,
I mean you know this in New York. Yeah, right,
you're gonna get offers to come on shows. Right, you
(53:50):
might have a recurring paying radio TV or whatever. A
lot of guys in Chicago, no matter how many wins
the team has, guess what great demand for them to
talk and a lot of these guys don't care anymore.
Speaker 4 (54:02):
Oh wow? Really what they said?
Speaker 3 (54:04):
Everything they were talking about everything in terms of coaching,
and you know they were all votes of no confidence
weeks ago to where it's like, hey, can you tamp
that down? Like DJ Moore who at times his effort
has been questioned.
Speaker 4 (54:18):
He walked off the field. So I don't want him.
Speaker 3 (54:20):
One was interesting.
Speaker 4 (54:21):
I don't want anything about him at all. Yeah, that
part was that that hurt me.
Speaker 3 (54:25):
But just in general, you've got a guy who was
he's still got a captain c on his But again
showing again the the coaching staff and whether they actually
have the range of thing. How's that still on his
chest for everything that went on. I mean, the whole
world saw that, and that's and in the locker room.
I gotta imagine that did not play.
Speaker 2 (54:43):
It can't.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
This is the guy that got celebrated for the biggest
contract anybody signed with the Bears right the off season
Hard Knocks, like that was the big deal Iberflus's beard
and how much his wife loved his beard and haircut.
They devoted a whole episode which damn haircut beard because
they couldn't curse and they didn't show anything controversial. That
(55:05):
was the rules of engagement.
Speaker 5 (55:07):
Ok.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Giants on it unintentionally or maybe intentionally gave us all
the gaffes with Shane and whatever. But two organizations that
forever were able to hold off the Hard Knocks machine.
And then what do we get out of it? Dj
Moore signed a contract, then he and his family went
to the ice Cream Museum. Those are highlights from the
Bears Hard Knocks.
Speaker 4 (55:26):
Oh Man. Yes, when the players are speaking out that way,
it is over. And I'll give an example of knowing
a coaching situation is over. In New York two thousand
and eight with Mangenie, who I love. We've talked recently.
(55:47):
It was a big gap when we didn't talk, But
I love when he came in.
Speaker 5 (55:52):
It was.
Speaker 4 (55:54):
His way or the highway, and we knew that and
we respected that because of all the time and all
the work he put in and how smart he was
and how we knew that we were going to be
prepared for every game. And there was a method to
the madness. Right, we're doing live tackling leading up into
the season. Even early on in the season, we would
(56:16):
do this special teams period where all the scale guys
would actually, like the receivers, dbs, all the all of
us would do one on one like open field tackle
drills like to the ground man, Me and Lavernius Coles
we're tackling. We're like, coach, we got to go. I
gotta play against I gotta get ready for these other guys.
I don't want to tackle it. But we did that
(56:37):
stuff and it was cool. I mean, it ended up
being like we were brother the lawn a little bit,
you know, me and LC. We would keep each other. Look,
we would run hard and.
Speaker 3 (56:44):
No kind of like the lineman would dance speak dancing
All right, we go give them a horror hardy Repper.
Speaker 4 (56:50):
To, what, but we're gonna do it. I know, I'm
a captain, and he's like, we're gonna do it. So
if we do it, the other people will do it
as well. Right, So it's a it's a method to
the maddening sure, and we understood it and it made
us better and we saw the result. They're like, it works,
We're gonna do it. Two thousand and eight comes we
get this old grizzled all pro quarterback to come in,
(57:13):
and you know, then you started to see the chink
in the armor, right because he's not going to follow
all those things and he's not going to do it
that way. But if you're making everybody else do it
and you're sitting that standard, then the standards the standard.
That's the old Moniker.
Speaker 5 (57:30):
Right.
Speaker 4 (57:31):
When you start seeing those things change, you know right
away it's over. And you could see if this doesn't work,
if we don't win a championship or we don't have
like a long, lengthy run, this is over. And you
know that, and the players we know that, Yeah, that's
just the curiosity of how long that works.
Speaker 3 (57:49):
It also goes back to something that is lost art,
and that is tackling in the National Football League. Yes,
so those drills, there's plenty of coaches that would kill
to have the opportunity to run some of them. Again,
you need to, though, I'm not even like, but we've
legislated so much of that out in terms of you know,
two days and time on the field and expectation. Look,
(58:11):
we could have some more classroom time. You can do
it on your own and it's encouraged. But tackling and
a lot of that other stuff. Every year we watch
September football and then you don't recognize it. I know
that We've had this conversation many a time and even now, Man,
we've seen a couple of plays. There was a John
why Smith completion maybe two weeks ago where he should
(58:32):
have been tackled after like a six yard game ended
up going all the way down to the two because
nobody bothered to hit him. Like it was all right,
I'm gonna shoulder tackle and watch this, I'm gonna knock
him out, like, wrap him up and take him to
the ground. Fundamentals going out the window, like not everything
has to be.
Speaker 4 (58:49):
A kill shot. Yeah, that's this social media age though, Mike,
Like everybody wants to be on the gram or be
in some clip on social media making a big play. Yes,
we all want to make big plays, but the simple
wrap up and roll and tackle is it's still effective.
Speaker 5 (59:05):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (59:06):
You know, folks are afraid of, Hey, I'm gonna be
that close to a hip drop with a guy bigger, fat,
you know, the Derek Henry's or whatever that I'm trying
to bring down. But yeah, yeah, it's it's crazy anyway,
the bear's spiraling
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