November 26, 2024 • 36 mins
Mike Harmon and Former All-Pro DB Kerry Rhodes, in for Jason Smith, react live to the Ravens beating the Chargers on Monday Night Football. The guys dive into Saquon Barkley advancing his case for this season's MVP.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
Hey greetings and welcome in another beautiful Monday night. It
was we wrap up week twelve of your National Football
League season. Smith off this week on holiday holiday holiday.
If you're on the highways and byways, be safe, be smart,
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Yes for stars, super load management, all of those kind
of fun things. But Baltimore and Los Angeles they headliners
as we get through. No Smith in for him a man,
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a highly decorated musician actor. Oh yeah, he also played
in the National Football League. It's I guy carry roads
at Carrie twenty five Roads. Where you find him in
the twitterverse find me over at Swollen Dome. What's going on? Man?
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Man, I'm good. I thought you're gonna kick this show
off with you. You said the holiday. I thought you're
gonna hit a little Madonna holiday, which I was gonna
get really amped up about.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
So c can I do it like the wedding singer? Yeah?
All depressed and sad, yes, and you know the loneliness
of it all. Yeah, But you know the holidays, you know,
for some the best of times, for others the worst
of times. You go, he We're here to wrap you
all in one big damn hug and get you through
it highways and byways. Off to Grandma's house we go.
(01:56):
I'll do a little of that later in the week.
Go see my mom and pop. I know you had
mom and Pop up in your Pop came, man.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Last weekend my mom's birthday, which was beautiful. I got
to take her out for a nice, expensive steak dinner.
So it was fun. She paid, of course, not, oh,
of course, not, of course not. I wouldn't be the
gentleman that I am if I made my mom pay.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Now you're calling yourself the gentleman. See, you just lost
any of the points you might have earned as me
the gentleman. It's like you're gonna suddenly turn around and
you're sitting here at a tuxedo next year.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
That was the next act. You gotta wait to the next.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, we'll get to the bridge. I mean, I know
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com the way tire buying should be. We're watching a
dandy here live from so far. Obviously a much better
game than we watched at that facility twenty four hours
ago where the Eagles ran rough shod over the Los
Angeles Rams. We'll get to all the Saquon Barkley talk
because I'll show pictures of the boat that Smith and
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I were building for this Barkley MVP campaign, and we
need a bigger boat. Like it's Jaws, It's like the Arc. Yeah,
so we built it and then more and more people
got on and we're like, wow, you're gonna need a
bigger boat if we saw the shark and now here
we are. So but all of that to say, plenty
of discussions off of that. I know it's laugh at
the giants time. Maybe I'm the guy that holds up
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my hand and says, well, hold on a second, let's
have a more nuanced and expansive discussion. Then look, they're
a dumpster fire, there's no question about it. But there's
more to it than well, Saquon Barkley should have been
a giant, yes, because I mean, again going back to
the Arc and the biblical proportions, he ain't saving the world,
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all right. So seventeen thirteen, where we're at midway through
the third quarter, we had the Lamar Jackson touchdown, and
you played defensive back at the highest level for many years.
You received accolades and awards for doing such carry. That
was the worst pass interference penalty ever committed by a
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defensive back on that play. So much so that we
need to go back and make sure we name check
him properly because really it was awful, right, you still
give up the touchdown? Yeah, despite being called for pass interference,
and when you've hit the guy multiple times going down
the field ten twelve yards, about the twelve yard line
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is when the contact started. You still don't get your
head around and a well placed ball like Lamar Jackson,
fine from Lamar Jackson, gets it into Bateman's hands and
the defensive back never sees it and really doesn't do
anything to really stop the route or.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Obstruct him, right, no real impeding on the pack like
all of that contact that you're obviously gonna get flat, yeah,
to take him down, but you didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And in the NFL it's fifteen yards tackling. If you're
that lost in coverage.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Well on that where did he commit the first file?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Because about the eight or nine, okay, well that would
be a spot file, so it would be a big
one regardless, but it wouldn't be a touchdown. So you
definitely tackle him and get him down on the ground.
Good old I gotcha.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Goes obviously thinking down distance and everything else, but the
point being that you're not going to the one. In
my opinion, the flag probably I don't know threw it out,
but it would have come out earlier. But he doesn't
get his head around either way. Touchdown and Justin Tucker
actually hit a field goal, so did for him. Oh wow, yeah, well,
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you know that's been part of that. There are issues
over the course of the year. But you had that
great drive by the Chargers at the end of the
half to get Dicker a fifty two yard field goal attempt. Overall, no, no,
real overwhelming tales of the tape in terms of statistic
stickle output here, mcconkey's got four for sixty. You got
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the touchdown Debateman was a forty yard or so. To
your point, ye, all depends on when you decide to
throw that flag. Henry's at sixty nine yard rushing Dobbins
at forty. That first drive by the Chargers was fantastic, Right,
let's punch you in the mouth. Now we started to
get the CounterPunch Brothers getting after it, including curious fourth
down decisions.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, very very very brave fourth down conversion attempt on
your own eighteen yard line. That's that's more than being aggressive,
that's uh, that's almost playing Russell Brandon Staley like, yeah,
that is it's in the house that tear down. Analytically,
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it says you go for it on fourth to one
of your own eighteen. I guess that's the new NFL.
But right now, I mean it's it's it's a game
that I expected to be, you know, played at this pace.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I mean, it's a pretty quick game.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I've been joking as the season started that you know,
I'm gonna start these charges games because they're gonna be
the fastest games in NFL all year. The way they
play and all of it, it's all married together. So
well the way they play as well, they're gonna limit
your possessions. They're gonna run the ball, they're gonna be physical.
But even on defense, the way they play, they don't
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blitz a lot. They play two safety, so they're forcing
you to be patient and run the ball. So the
clock is always moving. So if they come into the
game and don't make as many mistakes as the other team,
they're gonna be seven and three whatever their record is.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
But you know, they're playing really good ball.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Chargers seven and three, four and one at home. Raven's
currently seven and four, three and three. So we're trying
to figure out where the line of demarcation is, you know,
between good to great, because the other thing, you know,
we have the big MVP talk swirling in the background. Obviously,
Lamar Jackson getting his flowers, Derrick Henry gets his flowers.
Justin Herbert's starting to maybe make a little bit of
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noise because of the efficiency and the way they're playing,
and certainly the numbers. It's all a numbers game. As
we know, Carrie that we're starting to see him pile
up some more yardage, so it's it's it's looking better. Yeah,
but look, he's not gonna throw forty touchdowns. He's these
other guys may pace outpace him there and then it
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goes into the base of it all and we'll get
deeper into MVP. But you know, I just need to
make sure we still acknowledge him like he's Roman reigns.
Josh Allen's having himself a pretty damn good year over
in Buffalo and gets no noise whatsoever. Why because everybody's well,
let me see you in January.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
It's just like Lamar, right, and the thing you said
about justin Herbert, the numbers will lie in this situation
for him because as good as he's been in previous years.
I never thought that he was in that top tier
quarterback as far as obviously he hasn't won a playoff game,
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but he also they were empty stats and and in
LA with the Charges with him this year though, he's
playing really good quarterback play. He's got a really good
quarterback play going on right now, to the point where
if you were to say he was in the MVP
compensation like you just said, I would be like he is,
and all that is predicated off the way he's playing
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and controlling the game. But you know they're also winning as.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, thirteen to one touchdown interception ratio rushing touchdown. Tonight,
Chargers just add another field goal, So we're at a
seventeen sixteen game. Everything you can want. Raven's the slight
favorite coming in to LA, and I think the most
exciting thing carry is the last two nights. Obviously, yesterday
you had a lot of Philadelphia fans that made their
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way to Los Angeles for that Rams game this one,
and we can argue about it and decide, you know,
how much is real. And I'm not going to accuse
people pumping in sound, but it does at least it
look like you're starting to get the groundswell to where
there are more power blue jerseys running around, there are
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more Charger fans and building at least a little bit
of a base. And maybe it's the Gym Harbaugh effect.
Maybe people started seeing all those billboards and it was
enough subliminal advertising to get them on board, uh, this
new brand of football. But you know, to close out
a week twelve, which, let's face it, had some real
dogs in terms of the game, six teams on buy.
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You know how I feel about, you know, the buy
system and the inequities that are included therein By the way,
no buys this week and then another six teams on
buy next week.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Listen, schedule is so confused, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I mean, you have teams that are playing their first
division games this week, this past week, and so it's
just it's a lot. And I think it's gonna keep
getting weird, more and more weird as the money situation,
you know increases.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Sure, more providers, right, everybody gets a different piece of
the pie, different exclusive windows like the Black Friday game
that we include all of these things. Yes, to say,
Desmond Ritter probably your quarterback for the Raiders, on Friday.
You know people that bet the Raiders still salty that
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they couldn't convert from the one yard line yesterday. I
know you and Dan would have been on the air
for all of that fun stuff. Is that that was ending,
But it's just fun to see. I mean, look, the
last time you and I were together was the boxing exhibition,
right all the great undercard followed by Tyson Paul Well.
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Because by way of contrast, we have ourselves a heavyweight
fight tonight.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
There we go, all right, I like it.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm a word smith, not my first rodeo, but yeah,
it's It's one of those things, is we're watching the
game push forward and you can speak to this. You know,
given your your history the defensive. When you got a
guy like a Derrick Henry running at you about what
carry is it that you want no part of it?
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Carrie number one.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
The first one when you see him coming downhill, it
if it's an open lane, right away, you're like, hey, coach,
we got to scrap this plan right now. I need
to know that there's gonna be some help for me
because if this guy is coming downhill and my rookie
year in two thousand and five, I mean, we had
a guy with the Giants, Brandon Jacobs, pretty big and
pretty fast, and I mean, he's not Dereck Henry, but
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he was really good and I got the same. I
got to see him in preseason Mike, and first tackle
for me. I tackled him low because I'm a smart man.
But Neat he runs high, so Neat knee to the
helmet and knocks me out. I'm out cold. And this
is the days when we had to tough it out
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and you had concussa.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
So I'm knocked out. I mean, I'm out. I come
I go to the sideline. I'm like, I'm fine, I'm fine. Coach,
come back on the field.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I'm like, I'm not tackling that guy again, So you
guys better get over here. So that's the Dereck Henry effect,
the attempt to uh, I'm Benn, slow down and wait
for him to show up, wait for the cavalry come on,
or do you take the Dione Sanders approach?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
No, I can't.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I can defend you. I can I can work if
the ball's in the air, but I'm not going to
tackle you.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I can't because I played safety.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So I just that's part of my requirement for that job,
where DB's he can't get it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
No, you can dance. No, I get it.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's the unfortunate part. You were required to do both required,
that's part of like that was my job description. You
got to come up and hit number one. You gotta
be the best.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
As I recall, the pay scale actually worked out. Okay
for safeties, I could do it.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
At that time.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, if you were versatile, if you can do both,
which I could at you know, at a decent clip, then.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
But yeah, Jacobs was not fair.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
No, And that's the same with Derek Henry.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
And that's why I think a lot of people and
a lot of announcers and guys that played the game
we got they got mad at Baltimore early in the
season because they weren't giving him the ball enough.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
You have to give that guy the ball.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Well, by Carrie twenty it's basically no Moss, It's all right.
The other part, and I think this has gone understated
over the course of the year, is the fact that
the Baltimore offensive line is the most complete it's been
in years now. Derrick Henry is an all world guy,
there's no question about it, and It's a vast departure
from wishing, wanting, hoping, and I love those guys on
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the other side. I was always a big JK. Dobbins guy,
always a huge Gus Edwards guy. But the reality was,
on a week to week basis, you were wondering when
that red Q was going to turn to a D
right in terms of whether they were going to be
available for a game. Similarly, the last couple of years,
the Ravens have not been able to rely on Ronnie Stanley,
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who we've seen over the course of this year, and
maybe his name will get more run as we get
deeper into this season and people get beyond Lamar and
Derrick Henry. Again, massive years doesn't happen without an offensive
line getting the job done. The guy, I mean, go team,
the team in the NFL, and Jason gets mad at
me all the time because I want to talk about
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the offensive line and what's doing right. We were talking
about Barkley before we came in the show, talking with
Kelvin and Rob a little bit in the hallways, and
it's like that Philly offensive line ain't fair right the
ISOs they were doing last night, and Barkley did a
lot of the work, don't get me wrong, but it's
awful when you can run five to six yards before
a guy tries to even get a hand on you.
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Because these guys are clearing, clearing lanes and road grading
guys makes it a lot easier. And I think for
Derrick Henry you get a lot of that too, because
by time you're now seeing him as a linebacker or
safety coming up, he ain't been touched and he's got
a full head of steam on.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And then add in the other element of Lamar Jackson
on those reads.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You gotta pick your poison.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
But how good is he holding the ball though, Like
you saw that a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Stif he don't.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Last second, it's it's amazing. And I can't say it
it's a family show. It's too early to use the
phraseology there. And I say that only to say it's
the same In Philly. Jalen Hurts does a good job
of that as well, And so you have another guy
that you have to account for. Plus the way that
line is, it's just it's picky poison. But all of
those things have to be in sync together and they are. Yeah,
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we're pulling the strings and trying to defend that multi
pronged approach. Oh, and both guys can throw the ball
just a little bit, just a little bit. Hey, we're
just getting warmed up. We got locking for coming on
after the show after the game ends. You know, he's
live in Baltimore one oh five seven. The fan joins
us each and every week. His usual slot is here.
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But hey, the Ravens are playing and would not be
right to a interrupt the game and be not get
the final assessment because if it goes the wrong way, salty,
it'll be great.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
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Speaker 3 (16:58):
We got ourselves another score are Monday Night football, giving
us fireworks, giving us excitement, giving us questions of what
the hell did a referee see? But again they got
it right, they conferred, finally got it right. Welcome back
in Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Harmon live from
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Speaker 5 (17:43):
Is that the final? Is that the final acts?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I don't know. You tell me.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He's still a young man, that's right. I'm still hopeful
that I've got a few more spins on the in
this mortal coil that we can we can do some
great things.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
You're fine, you're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
We're doing okay, Yeah, where we're rolling through. We've got
NBA action going on. We got the Knicks playing the Nuggets.
But we have a touchdown Lamar Jackson with a laser
to the end zone. For a moment, it looked like
they were gonna try to rule him out of bounds.
It's one of those situations like we had with Purdue
a couple of weeks ago, where you had a wide
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receiver setup where I don't know, it was black on
the field and then a black trim which made no sense. Yeah,
so dude gets out of bounds. He's like, yeah, of
course you're open. You're three yards out of bounds here.
The way they've got the coloration of the end zone,
I think the back judge got fooled, but ultimately calmer
heads prevailed touchdown Mark Andrews. There you go, Fantasy owners.
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Four catches, thirty five yards and a score for him.
But all of a sudden, the stat line from Lamar
looking better and better. One hundred and sixty three now
fourteen of twenty two touchdowns. But the one thing that
did stand out, he also has a rushing touchdown, by
the way, because he had to match Herbert for that,
the two point conversion. So you're up twenty three to sixteen. Yep, right,
one score game, trying to make it a two score game.
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What do you think that came off in about ninety
seven miles an hour growing those six yards that he tried.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
To throw it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, that was I don't know what he was thinking there.
He was super juiced up on that play. And no,
it was a big play. I mean, obviously, again we've
been talking about it. We talked about it off air,
the analytics that have taken over football. I don't care
if it makes it a two possession game or not.
I'm kicking the extra point and making them have to
score touch down in the two point conversion. It's just
like you try to get smarter than the game or
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smarter than the situation. And for me, I understand the reasoning,
but I'd rather just kick that to point and make
them have to score touch down and get a two
point conversions the game.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's the curiosity, right of trying to decide what are
you saying to your defense there? Right as well? All right,
twelve minutes left in the game, and then look they
got blitzed pretty early, right, that's opening possession, like we
talked about a few minutes ago from the Chargers, just
came out like vintage Tyson throwing, Haymakers, running the football,
pounding and then Herbert takes it in on the ground
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for the score. But it's you've been able to balance it,
you've been able to get on more steady ground. Doesn't
mean they're not moving the ball, but they're not finishing, right.
You've had to go to Dicker a couple of times,
including the fifty two yard That was a great possession
of the end of the half. But it's still a
fifty two yard field goal, right if you're still you know,
put points on the board. But you've got some semblance
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of control of the game. Your offense is huming defense. Man,
you're playing defense. What does that send the message to
you to your guys? Man, and they've struggled. We all
have to be honest about that. Yes, And without ro
quand Smith, is that kind of saying, hey, we know
they're going to be able to move the ball on
us again.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
You know what it can be both.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I would probably think that had something to do with
it in this situation. I don't think it tells a
defense anything. The defense needs to focus on getting stops.
And I think you said it the first opening drive,
which is scripted, the script.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Worth so whatever to where Roqua normally would be exactly
go after Yes, so the script worked, right, So after
the script works, how does the defense and how does
Baltimore come back and kind of you know, punch back
and they've done a good job.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
They gave up the the three right before half, which
they seem like they relax a little bit, and then
you know, the charger's got another drive here. But points
are going to be hard to come by for the
charges anyway, the type of football they play. So I mean,
in this game, Baltimore has been fine, but yeah, they're
not really a good defense this year at all.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Still trying to figure out who that number one is.
Maconkey's come up pretty big for him the last few weeks.
Johnston on occasion, obviously Will Disley, because we like to
say Will Disley, he's been a men's for them the
last couple of weeks. All right, let's talk about let's
go back to the Barkley thing, like that's that's this
story that's got much of the oxygen because it's it's
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both sides of it. It's the greatness of what he
is in Philly, but the woe is met Giants, and
because it's sports talk radio, the better story is the
misery of the New York Football Giants. Yeah right, so
let's go to that and the argument of every week
this now becomes the worst roster transaction departure that has
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ever been made. And while I acknowledge, yes, did that
phone call, if you don't have that phone call, right,
it always goes back to if we have audio slash
video of something, it's going to be a million times
worse because if it just became a we talked to
Saquon and his guys, and we couldn't get to a
number that made sense. What am I gonna do? Right?
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That's how Joe Shane saves face. Instead we get off
season hard knocks like well, you know, go see what
kind of offers you can get. And now he looks like,
you know, a fourteen carrot or a twenty four carrot.
Solid gold ass is really what it comes down to, right,
It looks a million times worse the optics. Right, talk
about all the cases legal things that we've talked about,
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NFL and whatever else. If there's a shred of audio
or video, it magnifies it versus a you get to
have at least a little bit of doubt. It's long
as long as there's not a history behind a guy,
as long as there's you know, like smoke to say,
well there's obviously at least a little bit of a
fire going on there. For this, I think the Barkley
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move gets so much more criticized because we had that
audio as opposed to be recognizing for what it is.
You'd already paid Daniel Jones. He's a quarterback. We know
how the game of football works. Doesn't mean we have
to like it right, and doesn't mean that the next
guy has to get paid. But guess what, nobody's bucked
that trend yet. Yeah, nobody has stepped out and said
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I'm not paying the guy that I might have. Like
even Daniel Jones, even if you had questions about him,
they didn't say ad beat it unless they were truly done.
In this case, it was you had a good year
with Dabele, you get to the playoffs, you get a
very rough couple of games last year, and then Daniel
Owes goes out with a couple of very significant injuries. Yes,
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so it's all right, he's our guy, let's pay it,
thrown it back, and Tracey's had himself a really nice year.
And I think we keep doing the apples to apples things,
looking at Saquon Barkley's numbers, saying well, you would have
done it there. Yeah, Like, no, he wouldn't have.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
He wouldn't have done this year.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Like even if Andrew Thomas was healthy, we can magically
repair him and get him back on the old line.
You're telling me that it's anywhere commensurate talent wise one
to eleven with what the Eagles are running out there
to really let him excel at this level.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I say, no, well, you're you're right that he would
not be doing what he's doing right now, but he's
also undeniably the best player on that He would have
been the best player on that team. And so when
you have the video that comes out kind of you know,
puts the nail in the coffin for Joe, But they
could have paid him the year before. So you're you're,
(24:54):
I think you're missing that point as that part of
the story. But have you ever paid a running back
hold on a second hold on? But that could have happened,
it didn't happen. So that goes to two years of
the conversation. Then the leakage of that video comes out.
Then it doesn't look good and Daniel Jones isn't that
type of player. So you're gonna pay somebody just because
you have to. So if you're gonna pay somebody because
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you have to pay the best player on your team,
and the guy that is all from all accounts and
all the stuff that's come out from New York a
leader in that locker room as well. So you trade
or you have these conversations about a leader in your
locker room and you say, let's go see what you
can get, like, no, take care of your guys, and
then you take care of a guy that's no longer there.
Now it's it doesn't look good for it doesn't look
good for the Giants at all.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
How about the fact that Saquon went out of his
way to uh, I don't know, let's take a grand
theft auto approach whatever or whatever video simulator you want.
The guy was standing on the curb and he went
and ran over his toes by going, yeah, I hope
Daniel gets a chance with a better or you know,
another organization like I did. Yeah, right, I mean, well,
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he's like he's soldy about it. Yeah, even though he
went to a better spot right. March seventh was when
Jones signed his contract extension of twenty twenty three, so
before last season, which okay, fine, And then you come
back and while the numbers weren't gaudy, you're looking at
Dable's success with Josh Allen thinking all right, another day
(26:20):
year stability, we can make this leap. Now. Last year
there was no Molik neighbors. There a bunch of Jags
running around, and again it didn't matter. He played only
a couple of games before he got hurt, but it
looked bad enough to where like, wow, why did we
sign him to this deal? Right?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh and Saquon was there, So just for what it's worth,
saquad was still there. How many games they win last year?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Not a lot?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
No, No, So that goes back to my overarching point
of all of this. What's he worth another winner too?
I mean, he might be worth a bunch of jersey sales,
he might be worth a lot of good will, But
in terms of wins and losses, no, no, not with
the Giants, not with the with what they had that
and that's the bigger thing.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
But you pay the guy and he's not there, Mike,
So you're saying all that, that's great. I understand what
you're saying, and you're right, you're right. But you paid
the guy that you want to pay. He's not on
your team either, so why not take care of the
guy that would probably still be around. And I'm sure
again they're not gonna win because of Takuon this year either.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
They're not a good team.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right, But but it's the point of we we always
argue that you win because of quarterbacks, right, you need
a good quarterback. And again stipulate to I'm not claiming
Daniel Jones a good quarterback, but when he gets signed,
the argument is in the room. What's option B going
into free agency where guys usually are done. Now you've
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got a couple of guys that have found their space.
And that's where this gets fun. When we talk about
a Sam Donald, when we talk about a Baker Mayfield.
But look how many bounces it took Geno Smith, all
the Jet quarterbacks, but all those guys that have to bounce, right, yeah, yeah, right?
Or Baker Mayfield goes from from the Browns and then
he's in cana and then he is out here and
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and then he finally finds his space. That took several spots, right,
So it's not hey, he left there and immediately became
a star. Sam Darnold didn't leave the Jets and immediately.
So Daniel Jones like saying, all right, we're gonna get
rid of him, and whoever the next guy is is
gonna be right. It's like, it's it's just difficult logic.
And I get it. See Barkley's putting up three hundred
(28:26):
and two yards. So everybody gets all excitable, but I'm like,
it's it's not quite that simple, as I know we
wanted to be. It's a far more nuanced thing. And yes,
Shane looks like a jackass because of the audio and video,
and even when Barkley before before that, when he signed
away with the Eagles, it becomes a that's a hard one,
(28:50):
like all of those things play in. Right. I get
the sentimentality of it all, But a guy who's been
hurt a couple of times, when has anybody really just said,
all right, the running back, the guy we need to
to really pay and build around. Right, They've always, at
least in this modern football, no matter how good they are.
And we'll talk about Josh Jacobs, we talk about what
(29:11):
Derek Henry's doing. They're the added piece for sure. Sure,
even Josh Jacobs talking to Tom Brady and the Pusley
add on, right, I was the missing piece. Right, here's
the puzzle. Everything's together. You add me and you look
at the game. He had monstrous, fantastic stuff. But all
of that to say, you know, the lamentation over Saquon Barkley,
(29:34):
I think we're romanticizing it just a little too much
and demonizing Daniel Jones perhaps more than he deserves them. Look,
he got paid. Okay, that is not his fault because
you know you had that dopey thing from ESPN, which
they they're all look like a bunch of jackasses regarding
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how they went after Daniel Jones about that. If they
come to you and give you a check for one
hundred and sixty million dollars, you're saying, no, I'm not
good enough.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
For this to take that back.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And you're gonna believe that some you know in a
game of telephone that executives called or maybe you made
that up because it was a nice story, whatever the
case is, Like, I get it. It's a bad run organization.
We got a lot of those in the National Football League. Yes,
you can count on one hand the number of organizations.
You say, you know what, they've got it all buttoned up.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, no, for sure, And I think that's the thing.
And you just hit something on the head with it's
not Daniel Jones fault. And so like he's the one
that's catching a lot of a lot of the stray
bullets at this moment as far as you know, when
it comes to not paying him or paying him or whatever,
organizations is gonna pay who they want to pay Daniel
Jones is not the guilty party. He was never a
(30:44):
guy that should have been and I'm going to the
max contract type of player.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
He should not have been that guy. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He's a guy that he will be a quality backup
in this league. And I think that's who he is
just from seeing him and seeing how he operates, and
even the year they had the good year when they
made the playoffs, the way that he played it was
very complimentary.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Still a balance football.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
That's a big touchdown right there by Justice that Justice Hill,
Justice Hill just book a fifty yarder. Sorry to break
up that conversation, but Baltimore gets another touchdown there to
put them up thirteen on the charger was a big play.
I think it was third and two there. Hey, you
know what, I don't think that two point conversions at
this point.
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Speaker 3 (31:40):
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Me Mike Harmon. Final minutes of this Monday night, Once
upon a time, a thriller thirty to sixteen, now Baltimore.
The sports books in Las Vegas wiping their brows, going uhuh,
all all the moneies were on the Ravens to come
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in and lay down either two and a half or
three maybe three and a half depending on where you
got in over the course of the week. And right
now looking like we're gonna go there. We'll get to
the Jets momentarily, because that's gonna be kind of the
some of the thread of the night to hold everything together.
But we had we just had a play down field, yes,
and you went and you were having flashbacks to running
(32:24):
to a referee going what the hell are you calling?
As Herbert threw a deep ball to Johnston. A little
bit of jostling back and forth defensive back looking back
for the ball. There's a little bit of contact, but
nothing egregious. Health guys kind of fly off each other
to where, depending on your vantage point, might have looked
more egregious and awkward as it was. Flag comes out
(32:46):
would have given the Chargers first and goal from what
the three four yard line, and instead, after a quick conference,
there's no penalty on the field and you let out
an audible yeah, didn't need to go to New York,
didn't he Like normally we end up with big reviews here. Yeah,
you know, just calmerheads prevailed. Not that you were going
to go to New York on this one, but just
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the idea of all right, let's talk about this for
a second. What did we see?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yes, I love that they came together. There had a
collective moment. The first official thought he saw a pass
in affearancy through the flag. The other official came and
was like, no, no, no, I think he was looking back.
I think he had his head turned. And I'm sure
this is the conversation. I wasn't there, but I'm giving
you a little play by play. I'm sure the guy
came up and was like, yeah, nah, he was his
(33:32):
hands won him, but he didn't pull him and he
was looking back at the ball. And so they got
to that I think agreement, and yes, they picked up
the flag. It wasn't the flag. It was, in my opinion,
a really good call, a really good no call. And
you know, they ended up punting the ball and forth down.
The Ravens got the ball back first. Then ten I
think at the twenty I think the ball went in.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I always tried to get the calmer heads to prevail,
and certainly with officiating being under fire, the more camera
angles we get, I think one of the most interesting
and we can push the jets to the top of
the hour. Because I think this flows out out of
this instance is we've had it in certain stadiums where
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we do not have the proper angles along the sidelines
necessarily to where you can get proper vantage points in
terms of reviews and discussion, and that's where we get
into the calls to formalize things. Right baseball, we have
this discussion a little bit yesterday morning. Andy Furman, Bucky
Brooks and Ioway. He's like, I want everything the same.
(34:34):
They're domes. Everybody's got a dome. If it's on turf,
everybody's got turf. I'm like, no, I like that. There's nuance,
but something as elemental as that. Right, if we have
the technology for stadium, ie technology should be installed in
Stadium thirty two for sure, Right, the rest of it
is going to be different. Right Ballpark dimensions in baseball
are a whole other discussion point. But for the NFL,
(34:56):
I mean we're playing on the same playing surface. I
think we've got enough place. This is where we can
rig cameras at this point, so why would that not
be uniform to where well, we can't really review it
because we don't have that technology in these other stadiums,
which has come up a couple of times in the
last two or three weeks.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, that's to be the same for sure.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
There's no reason for it to be, you know, better
equipment at different states.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
That doesn't even make any sense. So yes, I agree
with you.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Welcome to the National Football League. It doesn't have to
make sense. But it is just the curiosity with the
billions upon billions of dollars of revenue, right we're talking
every year, seems like it's growing exponentially, the extra international games,
all these standalone games, the mountains of money get paid
for that we're still have the same run of officiat
(35:46):
I know you and Dan on Sunday afternoons you're trying
to parse through as you're watching the three games at
a time, scratching your heads and trying to talk through it.
That it really is curious that that part of the
equation still kind of gets pushed out in terms of
really trying to get a solution to get guys better,
(36:07):
more efficient and capable. I mean, you're never going to
keep up with these athletes, right, but trying to figure
out where that balance is.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's a very valid point, and
I think one one that will never be really settled
because there'll be something that comes out that somebody will
be behind on eventually as it as it progresses. But
right now, you know, we're going to have cooler heads
come together and help fix the situation in which we did.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Here about more referee headcams. What did he really see?
How you like that?
Speaker 5 (36:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Maybe maybe that can help the Jets solve their problems.
Maybe we'll add that to our list of grievances. Thirty
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Speaker 4 (01:26):
Man, I'm good. I thought you're gonna kick this show
off with you. You said the holiday. I thought you're
gonna hit a little Madonna holiday, which I was gonna
get really amped up about.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
So c can I do it like the wedding singer? Yeah?
All depressed and sad, yes, and you know the loneliness
of it all. Yeah, But you know the holidays, you know,
for some the best of times, for others the worst
of times. You go, he We're here to wrap you
all in one big damn hug and get you through
it highways and byways. Off to Grandma's house we go.
(01:56):
I'll do a little of that later in the week.
Go see my mom and pop. I know you had
mom and Pop up in your Pop came, man.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
Last weekend my mom's birthday, which was beautiful. I got
to take her out for a nice, expensive steak dinner.
So it was fun. She paid, of course, not, oh,
of course, not, of course not. I wouldn't be the
gentleman that I am if I made my mom pay.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Now you're calling yourself the gentleman. See, you just lost
any of the points you might have earned as me
the gentleman. It's like you're gonna suddenly turn around and
you're sitting here at a tuxedo next year.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
That was the next act. You gotta wait to the next.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Okay, we'll get to the bridge. I mean, I know
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dandy here live from so far. Obviously a much better
game than we watched at that facility twenty four hours
ago where the Eagles ran rough shod over the Los
Angeles Rams. We'll get to all the Saquon Barkley talk
because I'll show pictures of the boat that Smith and
(03:12):
I were building for this Barkley MVP campaign, and we
need a bigger boat. Like it's Jaws, It's like the Arc. Yeah,
so we built it and then more and more people
got on and we're like, wow, you're gonna need a
bigger boat if we saw the shark and now here
we are. So but all of that to say, plenty
of discussions off of that. I know it's laugh at
the giants time. Maybe I'm the guy that holds up
(03:34):
my hand and says, well, hold on a second, let's
have a more nuanced and expansive discussion. Then look, they're
a dumpster fire, there's no question about it. But there's
more to it than well, Saquon Barkley should have been
a giant, yes, because I mean, again going back to
the Arc and the biblical proportions, he ain't saving the world,
(03:55):
all right. So seventeen thirteen, where we're at midway through
the third quarter, we had the Lamar Jackson touchdown, and
you played defensive back at the highest level for many years.
You received accolades and awards for doing such carry. That
was the worst pass interference penalty ever committed by a
(04:16):
defensive back on that play. So much so that we
need to go back and make sure we name check
him properly because really it was awful, right, you still
give up the touchdown? Yeah, despite being called for pass interference,
and when you've hit the guy multiple times going down
the field ten twelve yards, about the twelve yard line
(04:38):
is when the contact started. You still don't get your
head around and a well placed ball like Lamar Jackson,
fine from Lamar Jackson, gets it into Bateman's hands and
the defensive back never sees it and really doesn't do
anything to really stop the route or.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Obstruct him, right, no real impeding on the pack like
all of that contact that you're obviously gonna get flat, yeah,
to take him down, but you didn't do anything.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
And in the NFL it's fifteen yards tackling. If you're
that lost in coverage.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
Well on that where did he commit the first file?
Speaker 4 (05:09):
Because about the eight or nine, okay, well that would
be a spot file, so it would be a big
one regardless, but it wouldn't be a touchdown. So you
definitely tackle him and get him down on the ground.
Good old I gotcha.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Goes obviously thinking down distance and everything else, but the
point being that you're not going to the one. In
my opinion, the flag probably I don't know threw it out,
but it would have come out earlier. But he doesn't
get his head around either way. Touchdown and Justin Tucker
actually hit a field goal, so did for him. Oh wow, yeah, well,
(05:42):
you know that's been part of that. There are issues
over the course of the year. But you had that
great drive by the Chargers at the end of the
half to get Dicker a fifty two yard field goal attempt. Overall, no, no,
real overwhelming tales of the tape in terms of statistic
stickle output here, mcconkey's got four for sixty. You got
(06:04):
the touchdown Debateman was a forty yard or so. To
your point, ye, all depends on when you decide to
throw that flag. Henry's at sixty nine yard rushing Dobbins
at forty. That first drive by the Chargers was fantastic, Right,
let's punch you in the mouth. Now we started to
get the CounterPunch Brothers getting after it, including curious fourth
down decisions.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
Yeah, very very very brave fourth down conversion attempt on
your own eighteen yard line. That's that's more than being aggressive,
that's uh, that's almost playing Russell Brandon Staley like, yeah,
that is it's in the house that tear down. Analytically,
(06:45):
it says you go for it on fourth to one
of your own eighteen. I guess that's the new NFL.
But right now, I mean it's it's it's a game
that I expected to be, you know, played at this pace.
Speaker 5 (06:54):
I mean, it's a pretty quick game.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
I've been joking as the season started that you know,
I'm gonna start these charges games because they're gonna be
the fastest games in NFL all year. The way they
play and all of it, it's all married together. So
well the way they play as well, they're gonna limit
your possessions. They're gonna run the ball, they're gonna be physical.
But even on defense, the way they play, they don't
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blitz a lot. They play two safety, so they're forcing
you to be patient and run the ball. So the
clock is always moving. So if they come into the
game and don't make as many mistakes as the other team,
they're gonna be seven and three whatever their record is.
Speaker 5 (07:29):
But you know, they're playing really good ball.
Speaker 3 (07:32):
Chargers seven and three, four and one at home. Raven's
currently seven and four, three and three. So we're trying
to figure out where the line of demarcation is, you know,
between good to great, because the other thing, you know,
we have the big MVP talk swirling in the background. Obviously,
Lamar Jackson getting his flowers, Derrick Henry gets his flowers.
Justin Herbert's starting to maybe make a little bit of
(07:53):
noise because of the efficiency and the way they're playing,
and certainly the numbers. It's all a numbers game. As
we know, Carrie that we're starting to see him pile
up some more yardage, so it's it's it's looking better. Yeah,
but look, he's not gonna throw forty touchdowns. He's these
other guys may pace outpace him there and then it
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goes into the base of it all and we'll get
deeper into MVP. But you know, I just need to
make sure we still acknowledge him like he's Roman reigns.
Josh Allen's having himself a pretty damn good year over
in Buffalo and gets no noise whatsoever. Why because everybody's well,
let me see you in January.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
It's just like Lamar, right, and the thing you said
about justin Herbert, the numbers will lie in this situation
for him because as good as he's been in previous years.
I never thought that he was in that top tier
quarterback as far as obviously he hasn't won a playoff game,
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but he also they were empty stats and and in
LA with the Charges with him this year though, he's
playing really good quarterback play. He's got a really good
quarterback play going on right now, to the point where
if you were to say he was in the MVP
compensation like you just said, I would be like he is,
and all that is predicated off the way he's playing
(09:17):
and controlling the game. But you know they're also winning as.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Well, thirteen to one touchdown interception ratio rushing touchdown. Tonight,
Chargers just add another field goal, So we're at a
seventeen sixteen game. Everything you can want. Raven's the slight
favorite coming in to LA, and I think the most
exciting thing carry is the last two nights. Obviously, yesterday
you had a lot of Philadelphia fans that made their
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way to Los Angeles for that Rams game this one,
and we can argue about it and decide, you know,
how much is real. And I'm not going to accuse
people pumping in sound, but it does at least it
look like you're starting to get the groundswell to where
there are more power blue jerseys running around, there are
(10:02):
more Charger fans and building at least a little bit
of a base. And maybe it's the Gym Harbaugh effect.
Maybe people started seeing all those billboards and it was
enough subliminal advertising to get them on board, uh, this
new brand of football. But you know, to close out
a week twelve, which, let's face it, had some real
dogs in terms of the game, six teams on buy.
(10:23):
You know how I feel about, you know, the buy
system and the inequities that are included therein By the way,
no buys this week and then another six teams on
buy next week.
Speaker 5 (10:35):
Listen, schedule is so confused, it's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
I mean, you have teams that are playing their first
division games this week, this past week, and so it's
just it's a lot. And I think it's gonna keep
getting weird, more and more weird as the money situation,
you know increases.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Sure, more providers, right, everybody gets a different piece of
the pie, different exclusive windows like the Black Friday game
that we include all of these things. Yes, to say,
Desmond Ritter probably your quarterback for the Raiders, on Friday.
You know people that bet the Raiders still salty that
(11:15):
they couldn't convert from the one yard line yesterday. I
know you and Dan would have been on the air
for all of that fun stuff. Is that that was ending,
But it's just fun to see. I mean, look, the
last time you and I were together was the boxing exhibition,
right all the great undercard followed by Tyson Paul Well.
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Because by way of contrast, we have ourselves a heavyweight
fight tonight.
Speaker 5 (11:43):
There we go, all right, I like it.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
I'm a word smith, not my first rodeo, but yeah,
it's It's one of those things, is we're watching the
game push forward and you can speak to this. You know,
given your your history the defensive. When you got a
guy like a Derrick Henry running at you about what
carry is it that you want no part of it?
(12:06):
Carrie number one.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
The first one when you see him coming downhill, it
if it's an open lane, right away, you're like, hey, coach,
we got to scrap this plan right now. I need
to know that there's gonna be some help for me
because if this guy is coming downhill and my rookie
year in two thousand and five, I mean, we had
a guy with the Giants, Brandon Jacobs, pretty big and
pretty fast, and I mean, he's not Dereck Henry, but
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he was really good and I got the same. I
got to see him in preseason Mike, and first tackle
for me. I tackled him low because I'm a smart man.
But Neat he runs high, so Neat knee to the
helmet and knocks me out. I'm out cold. And this
is the days when we had to tough it out
(12:50):
and you had concussa.
Speaker 5 (12:54):
So I'm knocked out. I mean, I'm out. I come
I go to the sideline. I'm like, I'm fine, I'm fine. Coach,
come back on the field.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
I'm like, I'm not tackling that guy again, So you
guys better get over here. So that's the Dereck Henry effect,
the attempt to uh, I'm Benn, slow down and wait
for him to show up, wait for the cavalry come on,
or do you take the Dione Sanders approach?
Speaker 5 (13:13):
No, I can't.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
I can't.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
I can defend you. I can I can work if
the ball's in the air, but I'm not going to
tackle you.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
I can't because I played safety.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
So I just that's part of my requirement for that job,
where DB's he can't get it.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
No, you can dance. No, I get it.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
That's the unfortunate part. You were required to do both required,
that's part of like that was my job description. You
got to come up and hit number one. You gotta
be the best.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
As I recall, the pay scale actually worked out. Okay
for safeties, I could do it.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
At that time.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
Yeah, if you were versatile, if you can do both,
which I could at you know, at a decent clip, then.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
But yeah, Jacobs was not fair.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
No, And that's the same with Derek Henry.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
And that's why I think a lot of people and
a lot of announcers and guys that played the game
we got they got mad at Baltimore early in the
season because they weren't giving him the ball enough.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
You have to give that guy the ball.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Well, by Carrie twenty it's basically no Moss, It's all right.
The other part, and I think this has gone understated
over the course of the year, is the fact that
the Baltimore offensive line is the most complete it's been
in years now. Derrick Henry is an all world guy,
there's no question about it, and It's a vast departure
from wishing, wanting, hoping, and I love those guys on
(14:23):
the other side. I was always a big JK. Dobbins guy,
always a huge Gus Edwards guy. But the reality was,
on a week to week basis, you were wondering when
that red Q was going to turn to a D
right in terms of whether they were going to be
available for a game. Similarly, the last couple of years,
the Ravens have not been able to rely on Ronnie Stanley,
(14:44):
who we've seen over the course of this year, and
maybe his name will get more run as we get
deeper into this season and people get beyond Lamar and
Derrick Henry. Again, massive years doesn't happen without an offensive
line getting the job done. The guy, I mean, go team,
the team in the NFL, and Jason gets mad at
me all the time because I want to talk about
(15:05):
the offensive line and what's doing right. We were talking
about Barkley before we came in the show, talking with
Kelvin and Rob a little bit in the hallways, and
it's like that Philly offensive line ain't fair right the
ISOs they were doing last night, and Barkley did a
lot of the work, don't get me wrong, but it's
awful when you can run five to six yards before
a guy tries to even get a hand on you.
(15:25):
Because these guys are clearing, clearing lanes and road grading
guys makes it a lot easier. And I think for
Derrick Henry you get a lot of that too, because
by time you're now seeing him as a linebacker or
safety coming up, he ain't been touched and he's got
a full head of steam on.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
And then add in the other element of Lamar Jackson
on those reads.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
You gotta pick your poison.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
But how good is he holding the ball though, Like
you saw that a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Stif he don't.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Last second, it's it's amazing. And I can't say it
it's a family show. It's too early to use the
phraseology there. And I say that only to say it's
the same In Philly. Jalen Hurts does a good job
of that as well, And so you have another guy
that you have to account for. Plus the way that
line is, it's just it's picky poison. But all of
those things have to be in sync together and they are. Yeah,
(16:16):
we're pulling the strings and trying to defend that multi
pronged approach. Oh, and both guys can throw the ball
just a little bit, just a little bit. Hey, we're
just getting warmed up. We got locking for coming on
after the show after the game ends. You know, he's
live in Baltimore one oh five seven. The fan joins
us each and every week. His usual slot is here.
(16:37):
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right to a interrupt the game and be not get
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Speaker 2 (16:48):
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Speaker 3 (16:58):
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Speaker 5 (17:43):
Is that the final? Is that the final acts?
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I don't know. You tell me.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
He's still a young man, that's right. I'm still hopeful
that I've got a few more spins on the in
this mortal coil that we can we can do some
great things.
Speaker 5 (17:56):
You're fine, you're doing.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
We're doing okay, Yeah, where we're rolling through. We've got
NBA action going on. We got the Knicks playing the Nuggets.
But we have a touchdown Lamar Jackson with a laser
to the end zone. For a moment, it looked like
they were gonna try to rule him out of bounds.
It's one of those situations like we had with Purdue
a couple of weeks ago, where you had a wide
(18:18):
receiver setup where I don't know, it was black on
the field and then a black trim which made no sense. Yeah,
so dude gets out of bounds. He's like, yeah, of
course you're open. You're three yards out of bounds here.
The way they've got the coloration of the end zone,
I think the back judge got fooled, but ultimately calmer
heads prevailed touchdown Mark Andrews. There you go, Fantasy owners.
(18:39):
Four catches, thirty five yards and a score for him.
But all of a sudden, the stat line from Lamar
looking better and better. One hundred and sixty three now
fourteen of twenty two touchdowns. But the one thing that
did stand out, he also has a rushing touchdown, by
the way, because he had to match Herbert for that,
the two point conversion. So you're up twenty three to sixteen. Yep, right,
one score game, trying to make it a two score game.
(19:00):
What do you think that came off in about ninety
seven miles an hour growing those six yards that he tried.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
To throw it.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
Yeah, that was I don't know what he was thinking there.
He was super juiced up on that play. And no,
it was a big play. I mean, obviously, again we've
been talking about it. We talked about it off air,
the analytics that have taken over football. I don't care
if it makes it a two possession game or not.
I'm kicking the extra point and making them have to
score touch down in the two point conversion. It's just
like you try to get smarter than the game or
(19:28):
smarter than the situation. And for me, I understand the reasoning,
but I'd rather just kick that to point and make
them have to score touch down and get a two
point conversions the game.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
It's the curiosity, right of trying to decide what are
you saying to your defense there? Right as well? All right,
twelve minutes left in the game, and then look they
got blitzed pretty early, right, that's opening possession, like we
talked about a few minutes ago from the Chargers, just
came out like vintage Tyson throwing, Haymakers, running the football,
pounding and then Herbert takes it in on the ground
(20:02):
for the score. But it's you've been able to balance it,
you've been able to get on more steady ground. Doesn't
mean they're not moving the ball, but they're not finishing, right.
You've had to go to Dicker a couple of times,
including the fifty two yard That was a great possession
of the end of the half. But it's still a
fifty two yard field goal, right if you're still you know,
put points on the board. But you've got some semblance
(20:23):
of control of the game. Your offense is huming defense. Man,
you're playing defense. What does that send the message to
you to your guys? Man, and they've struggled. We all
have to be honest about that. Yes, And without ro
quand Smith, is that kind of saying, hey, we know
they're going to be able to move the ball on
us again.
Speaker 5 (20:42):
You know what it can be both.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
I would probably think that had something to do with
it in this situation. I don't think it tells a
defense anything. The defense needs to focus on getting stops.
And I think you said it the first opening drive,
which is scripted, the script.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Worth so whatever to where Roqua normally would be exactly
go after Yes, so the script worked, right, So after
the script works, how does the defense and how does
Baltimore come back and kind of you know, punch back
and they've done a good job.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
They gave up the the three right before half, which
they seem like they relax a little bit, and then
you know, the charger's got another drive here. But points
are going to be hard to come by for the
charges anyway, the type of football they play. So I mean,
in this game, Baltimore has been fine, but yeah, they're
not really a good defense this year at all.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Still trying to figure out who that number one is.
Maconkey's come up pretty big for him the last few weeks.
Johnston on occasion, obviously Will Disley, because we like to
say Will Disley, he's been a men's for them the
last couple of weeks. All right, let's talk about let's
go back to the Barkley thing, like that's that's this
story that's got much of the oxygen because it's it's
(21:55):
both sides of it. It's the greatness of what he
is in Philly, but the woe is met Giants, and
because it's sports talk radio, the better story is the
misery of the New York Football Giants. Yeah right, so
let's go to that and the argument of every week
this now becomes the worst roster transaction departure that has
(22:17):
ever been made. And while I acknowledge, yes, did that
phone call, if you don't have that phone call, right,
it always goes back to if we have audio slash
video of something, it's going to be a million times
worse because if it just became a we talked to
Saquon and his guys, and we couldn't get to a
number that made sense. What am I gonna do? Right?
(22:37):
That's how Joe Shane saves face. Instead we get off
season hard knocks like well, you know, go see what
kind of offers you can get. And now he looks like,
you know, a fourteen carrot or a twenty four carrot.
Solid gold ass is really what it comes down to, right,
It looks a million times worse the optics. Right, talk
about all the cases legal things that we've talked about,
(22:59):
NFL and whatever else. If there's a shred of audio
or video, it magnifies it versus a you get to
have at least a little bit of doubt. It's long
as long as there's not a history behind a guy,
as long as there's you know, like smoke to say,
well there's obviously at least a little bit of a
fire going on there. For this, I think the Barkley
(23:19):
move gets so much more criticized because we had that
audio as opposed to be recognizing for what it is.
You'd already paid Daniel Jones. He's a quarterback. We know
how the game of football works. Doesn't mean we have
to like it right, and doesn't mean that the next
guy has to get paid. But guess what, nobody's bucked
that trend yet. Yeah, nobody has stepped out and said
(23:42):
I'm not paying the guy that I might have. Like
even Daniel Jones, even if you had questions about him,
they didn't say ad beat it unless they were truly done.
In this case, it was you had a good year
with Dabele, you get to the playoffs, you get a
very rough couple of games last year, and then Daniel
Owes goes out with a couple of very significant injuries. Yes,
(24:03):
so it's all right, he's our guy, let's pay it,
thrown it back, and Tracey's had himself a really nice year.
And I think we keep doing the apples to apples things,
looking at Saquon Barkley's numbers, saying well, you would have
done it there. Yeah, Like, no, he wouldn't have.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
He wouldn't have done this year.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Like even if Andrew Thomas was healthy, we can magically
repair him and get him back on the old line.
You're telling me that it's anywhere commensurate talent wise one
to eleven with what the Eagles are running out there
to really let him excel at this level.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
I say, no, well, you're you're right that he would
not be doing what he's doing right now, but he's
also undeniably the best player on that He would have
been the best player on that team. And so when
you have the video that comes out kind of you know,
puts the nail in the coffin for Joe, But they
could have paid him the year before. So you're you're,
(24:54):
I think you're missing that point as that part of
the story. But have you ever paid a running back
hold on a second hold on? But that could have happened,
it didn't happen. So that goes to two years of
the conversation. Then the leakage of that video comes out.
Then it doesn't look good and Daniel Jones isn't that
type of player. So you're gonna pay somebody just because
you have to. So if you're gonna pay somebody because
(25:16):
you have to pay the best player on your team,
and the guy that is all from all accounts and
all the stuff that's come out from New York a
leader in that locker room as well. So you trade
or you have these conversations about a leader in your
locker room and you say, let's go see what you
can get, like, no, take care of your guys, and
then you take care of a guy that's no longer there.
Now it's it doesn't look good for it doesn't look
good for the Giants at all.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
How about the fact that Saquon went out of his
way to uh, I don't know, let's take a grand
theft auto approach whatever or whatever video simulator you want.
The guy was standing on the curb and he went
and ran over his toes by going, yeah, I hope
Daniel gets a chance with a better or you know,
another organization like I did. Yeah, right, I mean, well,
(26:00):
he's like he's soldy about it. Yeah, even though he
went to a better spot right. March seventh was when
Jones signed his contract extension of twenty twenty three, so
before last season, which okay, fine, And then you come
back and while the numbers weren't gaudy, you're looking at
Dable's success with Josh Allen thinking all right, another day
(26:20):
year stability, we can make this leap. Now. Last year
there was no Molik neighbors. There a bunch of Jags
running around, and again it didn't matter. He played only
a couple of games before he got hurt, but it
looked bad enough to where like, wow, why did we
sign him to this deal? Right?
Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:36):
Oh and Saquon was there, So just for what it's worth,
saquad was still there. How many games they win last year?
Speaker 5 (26:43):
Not a lot?
Speaker 3 (26:45):
No, No, So that goes back to my overarching point
of all of this. What's he worth another winner too?
I mean, he might be worth a bunch of jersey sales,
he might be worth a lot of good will, But
in terms of wins and losses, no, no, not with
the Giants, not with the with what they had that
and that's the bigger thing.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
But you pay the guy and he's not there, Mike,
So you're saying all that, that's great. I understand what
you're saying, and you're right, you're right. But you paid
the guy that you want to pay. He's not on
your team either, so why not take care of the
guy that would probably still be around. And I'm sure
again they're not gonna win because of Takuon this year either.
Speaker 5 (27:21):
They're not a good team.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Right, But but it's the point of we we always
argue that you win because of quarterbacks, right, you need
a good quarterback. And again stipulate to I'm not claiming
Daniel Jones a good quarterback, but when he gets signed,
the argument is in the room. What's option B going
into free agency where guys usually are done. Now you've
(27:43):
got a couple of guys that have found their space.
And that's where this gets fun. When we talk about
a Sam Donald, when we talk about a Baker Mayfield.
But look how many bounces it took Geno Smith, all
the Jet quarterbacks, but all those guys that have to bounce, right, yeah, yeah, right?
Or Baker Mayfield goes from from the Browns and then
he's in cana and then he is out here and
(28:05):
and then he finally finds his space. That took several spots, right,
So it's not hey, he left there and immediately became
a star. Sam Darnold didn't leave the Jets and immediately.
So Daniel Jones like saying, all right, we're gonna get
rid of him, and whoever the next guy is is
gonna be right. It's like, it's it's just difficult logic.
And I get it. See Barkley's putting up three hundred
(28:26):
and two yards. So everybody gets all excitable, but I'm like,
it's it's not quite that simple, as I know we
wanted to be. It's a far more nuanced thing. And yes,
Shane looks like a jackass because of the audio and video,
and even when Barkley before before that, when he signed
away with the Eagles, it becomes a that's a hard one,
(28:50):
like all of those things play in. Right. I get
the sentimentality of it all, But a guy who's been
hurt a couple of times, when has anybody really just said,
all right, the running back, the guy we need to
to really pay and build around. Right, They've always, at
least in this modern football, no matter how good they are.
And we'll talk about Josh Jacobs, we talk about what
(29:11):
Derek Henry's doing. They're the added piece for sure. Sure,
even Josh Jacobs talking to Tom Brady and the Pusley
add on, right, I was the missing piece. Right, here's
the puzzle. Everything's together. You add me and you look
at the game. He had monstrous, fantastic stuff. But all
of that to say, you know, the lamentation over Saquon Barkley,
(29:34):
I think we're romanticizing it just a little too much
and demonizing Daniel Jones perhaps more than he deserves them. Look,
he got paid. Okay, that is not his fault because
you know you had that dopey thing from ESPN, which
they they're all look like a bunch of jackasses regarding
(29:55):
how they went after Daniel Jones about that. If they
come to you and give you a check for one
hundred and sixty million dollars, you're saying, no, I'm not
good enough.
Speaker 5 (30:02):
For this to take that back.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
And you're gonna believe that some you know in a
game of telephone that executives called or maybe you made
that up because it was a nice story, whatever the
case is, Like, I get it. It's a bad run organization.
We got a lot of those in the National Football League. Yes,
you can count on one hand the number of organizations.
You say, you know what, they've got it all buttoned up.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Yeah, no, for sure, And I think that's the thing.
And you just hit something on the head with it's
not Daniel Jones fault. And so like he's the one
that's catching a lot of a lot of the stray
bullets at this moment as far as you know, when
it comes to not paying him or paying him or whatever,
organizations is gonna pay who they want to pay Daniel
Jones is not the guilty party. He was never a
(30:44):
guy that should have been and I'm going to the
max contract type of player.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
He should not have been that guy. Anyway.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
He's a guy that he will be a quality backup
in this league. And I think that's who he is
just from seeing him and seeing how he operates, and
even the year they had the good year when they
made the playoffs, the way that he played it was
very complimentary.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
Still a balance football.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
That's a big touchdown right there by Justice that Justice Hill,
Justice Hill just book a fifty yarder. Sorry to break
up that conversation, but Baltimore gets another touchdown there to
put them up thirteen on the charger was a big play.
I think it was third and two there. Hey, you
know what, I don't think that two point conversions at
this point.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
He pous He's carry roads in for Jason Smith. Mike
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Speaker 2 (31:33):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 3 (31:40):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with
Me Mike Harmon. Final minutes of this Monday night, Once
upon a time, a thriller thirty to sixteen, now Baltimore.
The sports books in Las Vegas wiping their brows, going uhuh,
all all the moneies were on the Ravens to come
(32:01):
in and lay down either two and a half or
three maybe three and a half depending on where you
got in over the course of the week. And right
now looking like we're gonna go there. We'll get to
the Jets momentarily, because that's gonna be kind of the
some of the thread of the night to hold everything together.
But we had we just had a play down field, yes,
and you went and you were having flashbacks to running
(32:24):
to a referee going what the hell are you calling?
As Herbert threw a deep ball to Johnston. A little
bit of jostling back and forth defensive back looking back
for the ball. There's a little bit of contact, but
nothing egregious. Health guys kind of fly off each other
to where, depending on your vantage point, might have looked
more egregious and awkward as it was. Flag comes out
(32:46):
would have given the Chargers first and goal from what
the three four yard line, and instead, after a quick conference,
there's no penalty on the field and you let out
an audible yeah, didn't need to go to New York,
didn't he Like normally we end up with big reviews here. Yeah,
you know, just calmerheads prevailed. Not that you were going
to go to New York on this one, but just
(33:07):
the idea of all right, let's talk about this for
a second. What did we see?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Yes, I love that they came together. There had a
collective moment. The first official thought he saw a pass
in affearancy through the flag. The other official came and
was like, no, no, no, I think he was looking back.
I think he had his head turned. And I'm sure
this is the conversation. I wasn't there, but I'm giving
you a little play by play. I'm sure the guy
came up and was like, yeah, nah, he was his
(33:32):
hands won him, but he didn't pull him and he
was looking back at the ball. And so they got
to that I think agreement, and yes, they picked up
the flag. It wasn't the flag. It was, in my opinion,
a really good call, a really good no call. And
you know, they ended up punting the ball and forth down.
The Ravens got the ball back first. Then ten I
think at the twenty I think the ball went in.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
I always tried to get the calmer heads to prevail,
and certainly with officiating being under fire, the more camera
angles we get, I think one of the most interesting
and we can push the jets to the top of
the hour. Because I think this flows out out of
this instance is we've had it in certain stadiums where
(34:13):
we do not have the proper angles along the sidelines
necessarily to where you can get proper vantage points in
terms of reviews and discussion, and that's where we get
into the calls to formalize things. Right baseball, we have
this discussion a little bit yesterday morning. Andy Furman, Bucky
Brooks and Ioway. He's like, I want everything the same.
(34:34):
They're domes. Everybody's got a dome. If it's on turf,
everybody's got turf. I'm like, no, I like that. There's nuance,
but something as elemental as that. Right, if we have
the technology for stadium, ie technology should be installed in
Stadium thirty two for sure, Right, the rest of it
is going to be different. Right Ballpark dimensions in baseball
are a whole other discussion point. But for the NFL,
(34:56):
I mean we're playing on the same playing surface. I
think we've got enough place. This is where we can
rig cameras at this point, so why would that not
be uniform to where well, we can't really review it
because we don't have that technology in these other stadiums,
which has come up a couple of times in the
last two or three weeks.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Yeah, that's to be the same for sure.
Speaker 4 (35:15):
There's no reason for it to be, you know, better
equipment at different states.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
That doesn't even make any sense. So yes, I agree
with you.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Welcome to the National Football League. It doesn't have to
make sense. But it is just the curiosity with the
billions upon billions of dollars of revenue, right we're talking
every year, seems like it's growing exponentially, the extra international games,
all these standalone games, the mountains of money get paid
for that we're still have the same run of officiat
(35:46):
I know you and Dan on Sunday afternoons you're trying
to parse through as you're watching the three games at
a time, scratching your heads and trying to talk through it.
That it really is curious that that part of the
equation still kind of gets pushed out in terms of
really trying to get a solution to get guys better,
(36:07):
more efficient and capable. I mean, you're never going to
keep up with these athletes, right, but trying to figure
out where that balance is.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Yeah, no, it's it's it's a very valid point, and
I think one one that will never be really settled
because there'll be something that comes out that somebody will
be behind on eventually as it as it progresses. But
right now, you know, we're going to have cooler heads
come together and help fix the situation in which we did.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Here about more referee headcams. What did he really see?
How you like that?
Speaker 5 (36:41):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
Maybe maybe that can help the Jets solve their problems.
Maybe we'll add that to our list of grievances. Thirty
thirteen discussion next on Fox
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