November 26, 2024 • 35 mins
Mike Harmon and Former All-Pro DB Kerry Rhodes, in for Jason Smith, react to the Chargers losing to the Ravens on Monday night. The guys give their thoughts on Bo Nix steadily improving in his rookie season. Plus, Malik Nabers wants the ball more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:28):
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Do we do the long lead? Do we have the
long introduction? All right, We're ready to do it. Jason
Smith is not here, so in his stead, my guy
all pro well, this will say it for us. There
there it is, there's your intro. Man will now live
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on forever. The annals of history, all prompted by the
callback expertly so last hour the return of NBA legend
Christaps porzengis your guy. We referenced the songs that we
played during his heyday as a member of the New
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York Nicks, and Diet Shirt was quick on the draw
and bringing those back in which you immediately looked at
me and said, you know there was a song written
about me. I'm like, I've known you how many years?
At this point of carry res, I don't talk about
that stuff. How the hell is that doesn't come up?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I don't talk about myself that when I heard.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
A lot of music and content that you put out,
you would not put up a tribute song as hey
check this out, No big deal.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
No, that's a little bit too self absorbed for me,
and so for me wikiped and claim someone else put
it on there. No, that wasn't something I put blo,
sweat and tears into. That was something that somebody did.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But it was gifted to you and to America.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
It was gifted to America.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Now through the muse that the muse went through to
Alex Tischer.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Well, it's all because Alex. If Alex didn't play that,
we would not have had that situation. So all credit
goes to Alex on that.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Harry, I must say, what's my favorite thing about that song?
Is you knowing exactly when to sing certain words as
well when the song was going.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Oh, we've just heard it right now, so before you
go into it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
No, no, no, but like that's the question though, tight
shirt there it is America.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Mike Swollen due, I bet he plays it on the
way in for there's no way?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Is that the hype before the gym?
Speaker 6 (02:43):
My mind and can't show up past I got a tease.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I hope I don't pass.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I thought you're gonna go the other way. But yes,
I know I felt that coming though.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, I mean it is safe harbor at this point,
so hey, no, I do not plenty of ways you
could have run with that one, right, Mike.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Mike, Ca and Alex. I do not know all the words.
I do know those keywords interception. I know my name,
so I know those places. That's pretty much all I said.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It was, I'm saying right.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So he was really keyed up on intersects. How did
you have in.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Your care I think close to thirty twenty five? Maybe
carry you drop something was a flex?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
No, he asked, This is why, see, this is why
I just liked that it went from thirty two maybe
twenty yeah. I was like twenty five maybe, as we
now go back into the annals of the history, twenty three,
twenty three, twenty yeah, twenty three any in the postseason,
I don't think so. All right, so twenty three yeah, yeah,
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it's twenty three more than me and it all pro
And you had a song written about you.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
That's right, that's right, Mike.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Claim to fame was I once showed up in a
uh fantasy football panel discussion of who was the least
likely to uh ever have female accompaniment? Man, yeah, you
were last. Well I it was on an a steam panel.
I don't know how the motive. I just had it
sent to me. I went, Wow, that's where we're at
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in this world. Then then I went on the treadmill
and I was inspired by the Kerry Roads song.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
That's all that matters, No, it's it. It inspires you
to be better, to be greater than that moment.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Or that song. That song is.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Now you want to reboot it at a little dance track.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Let's make my own version of it.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Here you go that there's a video on a on
a hiking trail and looking over Los Angeles it's not.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, I guess it'll make you get to that spot
where you're like very insightful with everything right. Like somebody
actually wrote a song about me doing something, doing my
job right, and so it's like, all right, if they
can do that, I can do that as well.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So it can give you a little motivation.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
See, now you're gonna write a song about Tyshert doing
his job. Say it's the circle of life. It'll be Alex.
I'll get Ryan, I'll get Monzi, and I'll get you
as well, Mike. I'll get you all your own song.
I don't want in.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I want my own. I don't want here for both
of us. I need one that's, you know, like I
think one that you make a song for. There you go,
I got yeah, No, it's it's an exclusive. I mean,
how much would you pay? Like it's a cameo?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Need to pay, no, need to pay for carry whatever
he needs? Oh, there you go, I got them.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That basically was the nothing for you. I had Carrie
twenty five Roads where you find him Find me over
at Swollen Dome. The Insights of Alex Tyshert, Shallow Oceans.
The podcast look for wherever you download your audio as
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Ryan Burschinger, our executive producer in tonight. He'll have that
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it five stars. Evangelized to friends and neighbors about all
the good, the bad, the ugly that we've talked about tonight,
successes and fail years across the National Football League, Looking
ahead the thirty third team's involvement with picking a new
GM and head coach with the Jets. I mean, you
just hurt your neck, shaking your head. It was your idea.
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It's your fault.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
It's my idea. But you know what's funny about.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It, your fault. You basically said, hey, it will be
a consulting group, and then they actually hired a consulting group.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Well, I guess I'm being heard fine in crediting a
guy that they fired.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
That's right, a couple of guys they fired. There's been
a lot of people lobbying who's been fired for.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You got the rumors of I mean, look, Rex, Ryan's
raising his hand, let's go. Mangini's name has been mentioned
to bunge everything old can be new again.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
But Magini said Marjeni just sold his place in Jersey,
so I don't think he's actually lobbying for that job
at all.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So reinvest your profits, next cycle of house. How about
that downsize momentary?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, a little ploy. I'm not that interested. I sold
my house, I got you, and.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Now you have liquidity to go buy another one.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Anyway, all that said, and you wanever, it's the oh
that guy bought a house there, It's like, how about
he actually invest in real estate or he sold his house.
How about he took some profits off to maybe reinvest
in the market or in another home. He's got a
giant kitchen remodel he needs to do, or he needs
a new roof.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
There's a reason. There's a reason.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean the method method to the madness in
all of this. And that's what as fans of the
National Football League and our respective teams that truly we
hope is that there's actually a plan in place. And
one of the sequences that I wanted to highlight coming
out of this game was a play that we talked
about earlier, the fourth and one decision from their own
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sixteen yes that the Ravens decide to go for it.
Mark Andrews with the two yard to carry to give
the Ravens a first down. They ended up finishing a
ninety three yard drive, including that forty yard touchdown pass.
As we talked about the all right, if you knew
you were beat at the twenty or whatever, it was,
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just tackling, be done with it, instead fighting all the
way and then still playing bad defense to where the
ball is thrown perfectly by Lamar Jackson Bateman, even with
hands on him but not enough to obscure his view
in siteline of the trajectory of the ball. He comes
down with a forty yard touchdown completion, one of the
great throws we saw, the touchdown pass to Mark Andrews
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that we've chronicled over the course of the night. Yes,
a lot of fantasy lineups this week affected by this one.
I don't know that anybody was expecting to cruise to
a fifty three point total in this mote, expecting, you know,
the Ravens d is going to give you some but
the Chargers the expectation you're gonna slow it down. But
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this was their biggest test. John Harbaugh on that key
fourth down play quote, no guts, no glory, right, all right.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
See, I think this is where we get guys on
the couch and we start going a little bit of
wanting to you want to beat up on the little brother.
I want to go after Jim, trying to impress mom
and dad what are we doing here? But it worked.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He's three. Oh he's three and oh against Harball against
his brother.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Brother.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Brother hasn't beaten him yet. So the little brother situation
is a real thing. And you know, John Harball is
the perfect perfect example of what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
But he's another great example of and we had the
Hall of Fame stuff started trickling again this week, right
because or last week Eli Manning controversy. And you know,
wherever you fall on that, we've we've lived. We're going
to relitigate that until it's a final and he walks
in the door. But but we always talk about Super
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Bowls like that's the hallmark of everything, right, individual players,
We can talk Pro Bowls, we could talk all pros,
but when we're talking about that upper one percent, five percent,
whatever we want to do, it all comes down to
how many rings you're able to sport in the cl
last picture. And for John Harbaugh, he's like Mike Tomlin,
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he's got the one, and we keep waiting on and
owing to stability. And this is what we're talking about,
going back to organizational stuff. And I guess that's the larger,
long circuitest way to get back to it, because we
did tie in the Jets, tie in my Bears. Tye,
you've got some old thinking. I don't want to call
people old. You know, keep living. Hey, every day we
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wake up, we win, right, But the Giants, the Jets,
the Bears pick your favorite team probably in the same
boat of it's the same thought process that you've had,
and certainly for Baltimore and Pittsburgh you've got long established coaches. Hell,
we just celebrated the fact that that was the thirty
sixth time that Harball and tom Lin had faced it.
(10:50):
Just thirty six Yes, right, their kids were babies talking
about trick or treating and all that. That was a
fun little exchange that they had and now they're grown
and working whatever else. But just that idea of even
with all that longevity, and this is why I was
stumping for Eli was he got two against Brady in
that uniform. Didn't have to be great. But if we're
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gonna do the ring counting. For everybody else, why we
suddenly those two don't count. But for coaches, they had
one long ago Peyton McCarthy horrball. Tom was like, well
they're a super Bowl winner. Yeah, that's long in the
rear view mirror.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean another one.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But I guess that's the thing, right They're still doing it,
So you still got to say it because it's a
part of the fabric of who they are, right So,
and in the totality of Tomlin Peyton a harrball, they
are super Bowl champions, so you have to say it.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
But I'm not a change for chain's sake, guy. But
the idea that you know, we trot that out, it's like, okay,
those are a long time ago. What doesn't mean you
can't still coach. But but for everything else, it's a
what have you done for me lately? If you're a
quarterback that has a down year, should we move off
running back? Yeah, you played half a year, you got hurt,
done all the way through. But we have some organizations
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and we see consistent winning. But do you get over
the finish line? Well, And that's the question of what's
the true measure of your success.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Well, it's it just shows and I think we all
know this by now. It's hard to win the big one, right,
So all right, the whole argument what you're talking about
right now, if the Super Bowls matter, and if that's
the case, Eli is a Hall of Famer, right If
if that's all that matters the Super Bowl with coaching
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and players, you can't separate the two. So that's another
thing you're saying. So that's that's that, all right? In
my opinion. Do I look at Hardball, Do I look
at Tomlin, Do I look at Peyton any of those
guys as some of the best coaches they ever do it?
I don't, So I think that's a distinction, right, Okay,
And so that's what give me your line of demarcation
(12:58):
as to yeah, I don't know if I don't even know,
I don't even think it correlates with and I guess
it would in theory if they won multiple championships, I
would probably my mindset would be different, But I don't.
It's not a knock on them because I think Tomlin's
a really good coach. I think Harball is a good coach.
I don't think he's really good I think he's a
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tier down from even Tomblin when it comes to the
understanding and the coaching of football. And when I look
at John Harball, I think, if I'm just gonna if
Shannon if cal I want to say his name, I'll
just say, if Bill Belichick was the Ravens head coach,
do I think they've already won a super Bowl by now?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
With the talent that they have and the teams that
they've had in the regular seasons that they had, they
would have won a championship by now and so and
we all know how I mean. I think a lot
of people, I mean, outside of the cheating stuff that
happened in New England, I think everybody would say Bill
Belichick's one of the greatest coaches of all time. So
in that case, it's hard for me to say, like,
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John Harball's a really like a really good he's a
good coach. And if you're cool with being a really
good team and amassing wins and being in the conversation,
what's where's the upgrade for you when it comes to that.
So I think that comes into play as well.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Mike.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
It's like, who can I bring in here right now
that would be better and be an upgrade over hardball.
And I don't think there's been many opportunities for that
to happen.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No, And that's the curiosity, right, It's like, where as
an organization, you know, is that line and we talk
about the longevity and his ability to get it done.
You know, you've got you know, Coach of the Year,
You've got all those different awards and everything that go through.
And it's always when you're talking about coaches managers going
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sport to sport, it's the at what point do we
need a different voice? At what point are we you know,
can we find something better because a lot of times
you can't. Right, well, how many organizations do we see
just it's shuffle all right after a year the owner's dissatisfied.
We could look at that in Cleveland, the fact that
Kevin Stefanski was potentially rumored to be losing his job.
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Anybody that had a coach they even thought about that,
they don't like like, yeah, please fire him exactly because
I'll be the first guy to meet him at the facility.
I'll help him carry his stuff to his car, exactly, right,
those kind of things that you know, but for Harrball
for all these guys like we champion that and you know,
not to legislate, you know the history. Everybody's gonna feel
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about Super Bowl wins versus regular season as they do.
You know, would you rather have stability of a guy
like a Harball, like a Tomlin, like Peyton was in
New Orleans? Now rebuilding with what he's got in Denver.
We'll do the Denver conversation in a minute. But you know,
looking at where we're at mccar in Dallas, Right, he's
(16:02):
got his win, but now he's they finally played for
him this week. Yeah, they did, they did, right, So
it's like all this dead man walking and then that
effort in Cooper Rush what three forty five for whatever
he throws for? Yeah, and the one of the craziest
sequences ever You and Dan must have been horse by
the end of that game, going back through here in
(16:23):
the studio. But it's all of that to say of
trying to figure out would you rather have that? And
as a fan and player, continuity, consistency whatever, versus hey,
we're really going for it this year.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yeah, you're building the program and I think at the
end of the day, if you brought in somebody and
you won a championship.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Does it.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
If you outweigh the championship over the stability and the
actual culture of a team of an organization. I fall
in the culture and organization. I want somebody that's going
to be stable to run my organization, and I want
to put out a successful product every year. That's what
a business guy would want. And I think that's uh.
You talk about old school and you talk about old
school owners and old school like run organizations. That matters
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because a lot of times you want to preach when
you bring in new players, and you bring in people
to your company, to your organization, whatever it is, like,
we're going to be a family here.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
This is how we do things.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
And so you walk into a situation where you already
feel their stable ground. We go into a situation where
you know that you have a guy that has propensity
to fire you because he doesn't he doesn't feel well
that day, then you probably don't want to step in
that step into that as a coach, as a player, anybody.
So it's you gotta figure that part out.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
By the way, you don't have the video, you're wad
you're listening on the radio, He was having flashbacks in
his eyes as he said that. At Carry twenty five Roads,
find me over at Swollendow and we'll continue. We'll take
a turn to Denver. Because Peyton getting a lot of love.
I think there's another guy that needs a little bit
of kudos and maybe another shot himself.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
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Speaker 3 (18:09):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith's Show with
Me Mike Carmon. Carrie Roads in for Jason Smith tonight.
As we roll through here on a Monday night, week
twelve in the NFL season is finished, You're on the
highways and byeways, off to Grandma's house, hitting the airport,
sitting in traffic, whatever the case may be, maybe working, however,
you're listening to us. We appreciate you being part of
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the extended family. It is not lost on us something
we feel very blessed and un honored to be able
to do. To the point where I mean, Carry Rhads
has a song named all of these things that we
sit here at Carrie twenty five roads find me at
Swollen'd home talking about the Denver Broncos. They are one
of the big stories emerging as the season rolls on.
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What Sean Payton's been able to do with this roster
and the turnover and bo Nix when we go back
to the beginning of the season and the early reads,
the early gaffs, the interceptions, all of those things, trying
to grow into the role, thrust into it, and moments
of Okay, what are we doing here? I'm always afraid
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of super genius tags for anybody, Right, you give me
a guy like Drew Brees and the operational efficiently. It
takes nothing away from the system that you built, but
you need a quarterback to execute it. And early on
it looked like maybe you know, it's a you know,
a mix that isn't gonna work well. Over the last
seven eight games, we've watched bon Nicks grow. He uses
his legs appropriately, better reads downfield. Courtland Sutton is the
(19:35):
guy that they paid, the guy that they wanted a
lot of rumor for a while last year. He's gonna
get dealt no. Now he's a cornerstone kind of player
for them as they build into this next iteration of things.
But what cannot be understated is how good, effective and
efficient their defense has been during this whole process. And
(19:56):
Vance Joseph a name that you're not going to hear
as often because, let's face it, offense is sexy and
gets people excitable, but the defensive side of things. Van Joseph,
a guy that we remember his coaching run didn't exactly
get a fair shake in anybody's estimation. I don't think
as a headman, has he earned another run? And what
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do you think of this Broncos squad?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
The Bronco squad is I mean, justifiably so getting some
praise and they should be right now. They're playing really well.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
They are Nicks up to number two in the Rookie
of the Year voting now right on the heels of
Jade Daniels Daniels minus one eighty, Nick set plus one fifty.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
And I called that pretty.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I called that I think a little bit earlier than most,
Like I said, probably like two weeks ago, so before
the real buzz of what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But was it the Jaden Daniels had the Kingsbury effects,
so the second half he won't be very effective.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
That didn't plan to it, but but that is the
truth to that a Kingsbury history, but there is sorry
to interrupt, No, you're fine, No, that's true to that.
But no, it was just you know, Jayden wasn't you know,
he wasn't lighting it up like he was in the beginning.
And it just kind of lends to my whole theory
about jumping the gun, because that's what a lot of
(21:15):
people like to do nowadays and annoint people really early.
And so, you know, Daniels was playing well. We all
have spurts of playing really good football, but you know,
there's gonna be a moment where other teams get film
on you and they know the best way to stop
the good things that you're doing early on and you
have to adjust, right So that's going to be a
moment of you know, you got to figure it out again,
(21:37):
and that's what's happening right now with the Commanders, and
you could just kind of see Nicks already had that early.
So in the beginning of the year, he wasn't playing
well like they were, you know, in games and they
were doing okay because the defense was playing really well.
But now he's actually the reason they're winning games and
you can see that momentum shift happening. And so when
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you see that, I was like, oh, it perked me
up a little bit, Like, Okay, Nick is playing really well, really.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Well right now.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
And then the last couple of weeks, obviously he's been
lights out, and so I called it, like two weeks ago,
I said, just pumpy breaks on the Daniels, you know,
offensive rookie of the Year thing, because Knicks is going
to have us say so down the stretch, and right
now he's he is. But no, this team is playing well.
Defense is the reason they, you know, were able to
be in this position right now. But no, they're doing good.
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And I'm I'm I'm not a Peyton guy. I don't
think I think Peyton. I think his his ego is
bigger than anything that he's ever done as a coach.
So that's my stance with him usually. But right now
he's doing a good job.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I always come back to the you had a really
big run because we've often heard in the larger media
world a bit of dismissiveness. We talked about it, and
you obliquely hit it with the Belichick bit of scandal. Yes,
but also the fact that people categorically dismissed what was
going on in the East all those years. Right, these
(23:00):
were always terrible, but the same thing has never been
done for Sean Payton and the Saints, Peyton Manning and
the Colts. Right, I'd not good to say there wasn't
a year that Tennessee was really good in the South,
but not consistently right the match shob Houston, Texas. Yes,
okay they got to eight and eight. Okay, great, Like
(23:22):
there was never a consistent contender in that division, But
we don't do the same thing to them, and Sean
Payton never did it to him.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I do, right, I've.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Been that guy all along. But it's that kind of
thing though, Like as a collective, it's been a celebration
all the time. It's like the South was terrible. Doesn't
mean there wasn't a year or two where there's a
run up. Atlanta had their run and whatever, but year
to year they basically as long as they stayed healthy,
they were gonna win that division. Yes, right, Tampa was
(23:54):
an afterthought. Yes, Carolina had what a year or two
where they were they were in the in the equation.
So like that's the thing with Sean Payton. Right, so
now it's act too. All right, let's see what you have. Yes,
and I gotta say year one, the battle between he
and Russ. Whatever we say about Russ and folks will
turn to his numbers. Whatever it was, ineffishing football, bad
(24:17):
hail mary, kind of throws and bail out kind of things. Yes,
bad sacks taken to take them off of possessions. All
of those things are very much true. But a lot
of that was personality conflicts of you know, to be
the man, you gotta beat the man, and and kind
of ego and who's really the cause of things? Whereas
now it's all right, I've gotten a new thing of
clay to mold.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Drew Brees was an injury guy. Yes, that was a
reclamation that became that guy. We watched him at Purdue
spray the ball around that he gets hurt, right, chargers
on to the point where if he would have been healthy,
he would have been with Nick Sabe, we would have
never had Alabama. Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
And then instead while we get this run with with
Sean Payton there. So now it's curious in this next
phase you still have a lot of competition the Raiders
can't get out of their own way. Maybe they should
hire the thirty third team, the three teams between the Raiders,
the Giants and the Jets. Can they get a group discount?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
They will not get a discount.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
They come in three, they're going to get like it'll
probably be higher because it'd be a lot of work
to get done in that situation. But going back to
Peyton though, it's I'm not one hundred percent sure here,
but I think I'm pretty close. We're praising him right now.
And where they are for being seventy five right I
think last year at the same time they were seventy
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five with Russell Wilson. So it's not like there's some
he hasn't done some amazing job as what I'm trying
to say. But they are being competitive and they are
in a spot where they're also lucky because the AFC
is a little down and so the as far as
the bottom exactly so the bottom like right now, there's
seventy five and they seem pretty comfortably in that last
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spot where in the past it would be it would
be a little bit more competition for that.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I mean, we've seen a number of teams stumble, we
go back to whatever is going on at Incinnati and
a few other things. I mean, look, Cleveland had gotten
the quarterback position, right, I don't let Deshaun Watson see
the football field? Yes, yeah, I mean you've got a
great roster, yes right, it was everything but a giant
question mark. He might as well have been running out
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there with a damn riddler outfit. Out that's all you
had from him.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Man, he's been bad, and it's just I can't goes
back to the year he took off.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I can't even understand it. Man, Right, he took that
year off. Yeah, yes, yes, right when.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
You're still in Houston, and then we obviously have all
the off field stuff, right, But what have we seen
about three quarters of good football? Not great football, good
football since he's come back.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Is that the biggest drop off from like a quote
unquote like star player that you've ever seen?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Because I mean I remember going back to the twenty
seventeen draft, you know, to make it about me, but
because it goes back to the Trubisky Mahomes all of that.
If you were drafting based on what you saw in college,
Watson was your coat. Was your guy for sure, right,
with Mahomes, there was still the question of the conference
he's coming from and playing offensive style. Yeah, stylings and
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all of that stuff. And obviously hindsight's twenty twenty, so
all of a sudden, everybody's like, well, they should have
done this that the other. I'm like, well, that's not
the case at the time. Like it's great revisionist history,
and you can argue that, you know, hey, Trubisky was
well like Daniel Jones a couple of years later. Yes,
you know, someone decided that was the apple of the eye.
I'm going to outthink and outsmart the room. And they
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did it well once you did, like he got to
to playoff.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It got to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Because that's the other part right now, now into hindsight,
we're going to try to elevate Matt Naggey again. It's
like and dismiss Trubisky, Like, which is it? Yeah, right,
is he a great coach that carried some guy or
was the quarterback actually better than maybe he got credit
for at the time, somewhere in between theirs, because you
can't tell me that they had a powerhouse load of offensive
(27:59):
weaponry running around Chicago during that time. But anyway, the
idea now is just reforming to your to your point
about the where we're at record wise, Yeah, we're right
on path. It's just you're doing it with a rookie
molded in your own image and it's prettier. Yeah, it's
is that part of it like it's a you know,
a Bob Ross painting.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yes, it's a shining new toy that you can mold
and you can you know, you can give this guy
a platform to you know, he's going to grow. I
think about Nixon. It's funny because I saw Nix as
a freshman at Auburn and never thought he would even
be successful in college. So for him, I want to
give him credit because he's grown as a pastor as
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a quarterback, and so give him credit where credits due.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
He's done. He's done a great job of molding his
own career. Right.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
But now he goes to a situation, you know, quarterback friendly.
That's you know, the word that's thrown around with Peyton
when it comes to giving him all the answers to
the test.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
So it looks like he's prepared and he had that
in factor.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I'll say that he's a guy that you like it
looks like you want to go to. If you're in
the fox hole, you'll probably want him in there.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
There's no game that looks too big, and it's one
of those things that just bite all the noise to
Chicago to his draft class mate with Caleb Williams has
a quarterback rating in the fourth quarter over one hundred.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Lost in the fact that you've got such a buffoonery
in the coaching coaching side of it that any of
that just gets absolutely lost. Block field goals and bad
decision making, the challenge quote that we used a little
bit earlier, all of that.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
You know what really what irked me the most about
the Peyton deal with Nicks is, Yeah, the fact that
he had to put it out there that, oh, I
tricked all these guys that I wasn't going to take
Nix and we sold the Raiders so they wouldn't move
up in the draft. It's like, dude, you got your quarterback,
just go get him good and get him prepared.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Why the other stuff that's he is.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I know, he's the smartest guy in the room, hard
he's Aaron Rodgers. He has to let you in know
how smart and enlightened.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Em Man it's not anyway.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But everybody else all right, yeah, we we just went
for it, right the John Harbaugh, Hey, no guts, no glory.
We made a decision. That's cool talking about with his
brother battle. But in the end, it's a football game.
I gotta go win, yes, right, Mike Tomlin some great quotes, yes,
but in the end it's brass tacks. Yes, let's go
play football between the white lines.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
That's it.
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carry twenty five roads for everything he's got popping, I'm
over at swollen Dome. Last thing I want to do.
First off, movie villains, right, since you know most of
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the actions done. We have a movie on and Willy
Wonka was on. Grandpa Joe and Dumbledore to me, two
of the worst villains in movie history.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I could say Dumbledore, but you said why Grandpa? Why
Grandpa Joe?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Because he played everybody for twenty plus years lazy ass
on his ground, like laying around, feed me, take care
of me. Whatever. Oh, we got a gold ticket. I
go see a chocolate factory. Lie, I can dance, I
can sing, Let's go.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
No, the chocolate woke him up.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, no, no, no, he's just a sick of.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Sauce in there anyway. It's it's it's Wonka.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Now you're talking about the juice, kind of like the
ticket that was sprinkle dust Sakuan's locker yesterday. You saw that, Dallas, Yeah, yeah,
I got the had some fun juice exactly, No juice,
no juice. That's exactly what the Giants played with zero
out in Week twelve of the NFL season. Let's hear
from Elik Neighbors and his evaluation. Go right the first
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second quarter, don't get the ball, start getting targets a
d N. I mean, I can't do that. Targeting the
ball wins thirty zero.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Tell them you do.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Why in the first chap are they not looking at you?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Tother daves are buy that hard days they know they
come up to me. Actually, what plays I want?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
That was that I don't know. They don't know Sam,
you know, doesn't matter. Quarterback's not here anymore. Same thing.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Yeah, Mylik Neighbors is a guy that is a winner
though Mike, and.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
But he was that like that was one of the
great things that came out of that Hard Knock series, right,
was him talking about whatever else. Yes, I want to win.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
And you know that. You can see that. So you
know what you got.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
If you're in full sale, in full tank mode, which
obviously they are. If you bypass Drew Lote to go
to Tommy Davido, you know you're in full sale job mode.
And so to have a winner like that on the
field and not then get a target his way, it's
it's very apparent.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, I felt foolish because in the I watch a
Flex podcast, which we'll be doing our previews for week
thirteen talking about the wins and losses of the week,
one of those was Divino just figuring he'd just wing
the ball around because he didn't care. I didn't even
get that.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, five attempts in the first time.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I mean, like, what the hell, let's sell some tickets.
Let let him go to work exactly. Oh, no, you
might accidentally come on to something exactly. Yes, what a disaster.
That's bad. But I mean, and maybe they sold a
couple extra tickets by putting him on the field instead.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Of forget about it. That didn't They're that's done. They
did not win.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
We are you just doing the Rizzler? Is that what
you're gonna do? You're gonna do riz face two next?
Speaker 5 (33:41):
No, I'm not not gonna do it. Nope, just this.
I know they can't see it. I know they can't
see it. But forget about it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
What a what a season? Yes, when you got a
couple of guys like that, and obviously you've had injuries
on your offensive line, your defensive front, uh, Daniel Zones,
where's the best reclamation project for him? As we heard
from Monci, he's ruled out the Raiders, which which we
knew because the whole thing was I want to go
to a contender. But but it's funny, you got to
make that announcement. By the way, did Shadur put out
(34:09):
his thank God thing after the Raiders lost yesterday?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Again?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Okay? Good?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Just so he's consistent.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, gotta thank God all the time.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Because, uh, I'll tell you what. Mark Davis is salivating
over the potential of him coming to his organization as
long as he doesn't get kneecapped.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
He does not want to go there.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
You saw that talking about forget about it, that that
hit the Kansas defend That's where my lineman better be
coming and beating his ass if he if he did
gonna do that, you know what I mean? Like, that's
where I was waiting for someone to come full on
forget about it.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Nobody did it. Not that those guys.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Don't talk their amount of trash and maybe he should
have been thrown out for the contact with the Wrath
and whatever.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Like.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
They have their moments. But air a couple of plays
from the Kansas Defenders. Boy, he got a little bit loose,
all right. He's carried. Thanks for sitting in, Ben Mallar.
Coming up next Chris Play could be tomorrow as we
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Do we do the long lead? Do we have the
long introduction? All right, We're ready to do it. Jason
Smith is not here, so in his stead, my guy
all pro well, this will say it for us. There
there it is, there's your intro. Man will now live
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on forever. The annals of history, all prompted by the
callback expertly so last hour the return of NBA legend
Christaps porzengis your guy. We referenced the songs that we
played during his heyday as a member of the New
(01:33):
York Nicks, and Diet Shirt was quick on the draw
and bringing those back in which you immediately looked at
me and said, you know there was a song written
about me. I'm like, I've known you how many years?
At this point of carry res, I don't talk about
that stuff. How the hell is that doesn't come up?
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I don't talk about myself that when I heard.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
A lot of music and content that you put out,
you would not put up a tribute song as hey
check this out, No big deal.
Speaker 5 (01:56):
No, that's a little bit too self absorbed for me,
and so for me wikiped and claim someone else put
it on there. No, that wasn't something I put blo,
sweat and tears into. That was something that somebody did.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
But it was gifted to you and to America.
Speaker 4 (02:10):
It was gifted to America.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
Now through the muse that the muse went through to
Alex Tischer.
Speaker 5 (02:14):
Well, it's all because Alex. If Alex didn't play that,
we would not have had that situation. So all credit
goes to Alex on that.
Speaker 6 (02:21):
Harry, I must say, what's my favorite thing about that song?
Is you knowing exactly when to sing certain words as
well when the song was going.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
Oh, we've just heard it right now, so before you
go into it.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
No, no, no, but like that's the question though, tight
shirt there it is America.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Mike Swollen due, I bet he plays it on the
way in for there's no way?
Speaker 5 (02:40):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (02:41):
Is that the hype before the gym?
Speaker 6 (02:43):
My mind and can't show up past I got a tease.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I hope I don't pass.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I thought you're gonna go the other way. But yes,
I know I felt that coming though.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
Well, I mean it is safe harbor at this point,
so hey, no, I do not plenty of ways you
could have run with that one, right, Mike.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Mike, Ca and Alex. I do not know all the words.
I do know those keywords interception. I know my name,
so I know those places. That's pretty much all I said.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
It was, I'm saying right.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
So he was really keyed up on intersects. How did
you have in.
Speaker 4 (03:15):
Your care I think close to thirty twenty five? Maybe
carry you drop something was a flex?
Speaker 3 (03:21):
No, he asked, This is why, see, this is why
I just liked that it went from thirty two maybe
twenty yeah. I was like twenty five maybe, as we
now go back into the annals of the history, twenty three,
twenty three, twenty yeah, twenty three any in the postseason,
I don't think so. All right, so twenty three yeah, yeah,
(03:43):
it's twenty three more than me and it all pro
And you had a song written about you.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
That's right, that's right, Mike.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Claim to fame was I once showed up in a
uh fantasy football panel discussion of who was the least
likely to uh ever have female accompaniment? Man, yeah, you
were last. Well I it was on an a steam panel.
I don't know how the motive. I just had it
sent to me. I went, Wow, that's where we're at
(04:10):
in this world. Then then I went on the treadmill
and I was inspired by the Kerry Roads song.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
That's all that matters, No, it's it. It inspires you
to be better, to be greater than that moment.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Or that song. That song is.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Now you want to reboot it at a little dance track.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
Let's make my own version of it.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Here you go that there's a video on a on
a hiking trail and looking over Los Angeles it's not.
Speaker 5 (04:43):
Yeah, I guess it'll make you get to that spot
where you're like very insightful with everything right. Like somebody
actually wrote a song about me doing something, doing my
job right, and so it's like, all right, if they
can do that, I can do that as well.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
So it can give you a little motivation.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
See, now you're gonna write a song about Tyshert doing
his job. Say it's the circle of life. It'll be Alex.
I'll get Ryan, I'll get Monzi, and I'll get you
as well, Mike. I'll get you all your own song.
I don't want in.
Speaker 6 (05:09):
I want my own. I don't want here for both
of us. I need one that's, you know, like I
think one that you make a song for. There you go,
I got yeah, No, it's it's an exclusive. I mean,
how much would you pay? Like it's a cameo?
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Need to pay, no, need to pay for carry whatever
he needs? Oh, there you go, I got them.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
That basically was the nothing for you. I had Carrie
twenty five Roads where you find him Find me over
at Swollen Dome. The Insights of Alex Tyshert, Shallow Oceans.
The podcast look for wherever you download your audio as
well as the podcast of this show, which will go up.
Ryan Burschinger, our executive producer in tonight. He'll have that
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it five stars. Evangelized to friends and neighbors about all
the good, the bad, the ugly that we've talked about tonight,
successes and fail years across the National Football League, Looking
ahead the thirty third team's involvement with picking a new
GM and head coach with the Jets. I mean, you
just hurt your neck, shaking your head. It was your idea.
(06:13):
It's your fault.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
It's my idea. But you know what's funny about.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
It, your fault. You basically said, hey, it will be
a consulting group, and then they actually hired a consulting group.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
Well, I guess I'm being heard fine in crediting a
guy that they fired.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
That's right, a couple of guys they fired. There's been
a lot of people lobbying who's been fired for.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
You got the rumors of I mean, look, Rex, Ryan's
raising his hand, let's go. Mangini's name has been mentioned
to bunge everything old can be new again.
Speaker 5 (06:41):
But Magini said Marjeni just sold his place in Jersey,
so I don't think he's actually lobbying for that job
at all.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
So reinvest your profits, next cycle of house. How about
that downsize momentary?
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, a little ploy. I'm not that interested. I sold
my house, I got you, and.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Now you have liquidity to go buy another one.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Exactly.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Anyway, all that said, and you wanever, it's the oh
that guy bought a house there, It's like, how about
he actually invest in real estate or he sold his house.
How about he took some profits off to maybe reinvest
in the market or in another home. He's got a
giant kitchen remodel he needs to do, or he needs
a new roof.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
There's a reason. There's a reason.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean the method method to the madness in
all of this. And that's what as fans of the
National Football League and our respective teams that truly we
hope is that there's actually a plan in place. And
one of the sequences that I wanted to highlight coming
out of this game was a play that we talked
about earlier, the fourth and one decision from their own
(07:45):
sixteen yes that the Ravens decide to go for it.
Mark Andrews with the two yard to carry to give
the Ravens a first down. They ended up finishing a
ninety three yard drive, including that forty yard touchdown pass.
As we talked about the all right, if you knew
you were beat at the twenty or whatever, it was,
(08:06):
just tackling, be done with it, instead fighting all the
way and then still playing bad defense to where the
ball is thrown perfectly by Lamar Jackson Bateman, even with
hands on him but not enough to obscure his view
in siteline of the trajectory of the ball. He comes
down with a forty yard touchdown completion, one of the
great throws we saw, the touchdown pass to Mark Andrews
(08:28):
that we've chronicled over the course of the night. Yes,
a lot of fantasy lineups this week affected by this one.
I don't know that anybody was expecting to cruise to
a fifty three point total in this mote, expecting, you know,
the Ravens d is going to give you some but
the Chargers the expectation you're gonna slow it down. But
(08:49):
this was their biggest test. John Harbaugh on that key
fourth down play quote, no guts, no glory, right, all right.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
I like that.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
See, I think this is where we get guys on
the couch and we start going a little bit of
wanting to you want to beat up on the little brother.
I want to go after Jim, trying to impress mom
and dad what are we doing here? But it worked.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
He's three. Oh he's three and oh against Harball against
his brother.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Brother.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Brother hasn't beaten him yet. So the little brother situation
is a real thing. And you know, John Harball is
the perfect perfect example of what that looks like.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
But he's another great example of and we had the
Hall of Fame stuff started trickling again this week, right
because or last week Eli Manning controversy. And you know,
wherever you fall on that, we've we've lived. We're going
to relitigate that until it's a final and he walks
in the door. But but we always talk about Super
(09:45):
Bowls like that's the hallmark of everything, right, individual players,
We can talk Pro Bowls, we could talk all pros,
but when we're talking about that upper one percent, five percent,
whatever we want to do, it all comes down to
how many rings you're able to sport in the cl
last picture. And for John Harbaugh, he's like Mike Tomlin,
(10:05):
he's got the one, and we keep waiting on and
owing to stability. And this is what we're talking about,
going back to organizational stuff. And I guess that's the larger,
long circuitest way to get back to it, because we
did tie in the Jets, tie in my Bears. Tye,
you've got some old thinking. I don't want to call
people old. You know, keep living. Hey, every day we
(10:27):
wake up, we win, right, But the Giants, the Jets,
the Bears pick your favorite team probably in the same
boat of it's the same thought process that you've had,
and certainly for Baltimore and Pittsburgh you've got long established coaches. Hell,
we just celebrated the fact that that was the thirty
sixth time that Harball and tom Lin had faced it.
(10:50):
Just thirty six Yes, right, their kids were babies talking
about trick or treating and all that. That was a
fun little exchange that they had and now they're grown
and working whatever else. But just that idea of even
with all that longevity, and this is why I was
stumping for Eli was he got two against Brady in
that uniform. Didn't have to be great. But if we're
(11:11):
gonna do the ring counting. For everybody else, why we
suddenly those two don't count. But for coaches, they had
one long ago Peyton McCarthy horrball. Tom was like, well
they're a super Bowl winner. Yeah, that's long in the
rear view mirror.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I mean another one.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
But I guess that's the thing, right They're still doing it,
So you still got to say it because it's a
part of the fabric of who they are, right So,
and in the totality of Tomlin Peyton a harrball, they
are super Bowl champions, so you have to say it.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
But I'm not a change for chain's sake, guy. But
the idea that you know, we trot that out, it's like, okay,
those are a long time ago. What doesn't mean you
can't still coach. But but for everything else, it's a
what have you done for me lately? If you're a
quarterback that has a down year, should we move off
running back? Yeah, you played half a year, you got hurt,
done all the way through. But we have some organizations
(12:08):
and we see consistent winning. But do you get over
the finish line? Well, And that's the question of what's
the true measure of your success.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
Well, it's it just shows and I think we all
know this by now. It's hard to win the big one, right,
So all right, the whole argument what you're talking about
right now, if the Super Bowls matter, and if that's
the case, Eli is a Hall of Famer, right If
if that's all that matters the Super Bowl with coaching
(12:38):
and players, you can't separate the two. So that's another
thing you're saying. So that's that's that, all right? In
my opinion. Do I look at Hardball, Do I look
at Tomlin, Do I look at Peyton any of those
guys as some of the best coaches they ever do it?
I don't, So I think that's a distinction, right, Okay,
And so that's what give me your line of demarcation
(12:58):
as to yeah, I don't know if I don't even know,
I don't even think it correlates with and I guess
it would in theory if they won multiple championships, I
would probably my mindset would be different, But I don't.
It's not a knock on them because I think Tomlin's
a really good coach. I think Harball is a good coach.
I don't think he's really good I think he's a
(13:21):
tier down from even Tomblin when it comes to the
understanding and the coaching of football. And when I look
at John Harball, I think, if I'm just gonna if
Shannon if cal I want to say his name, I'll
just say, if Bill Belichick was the Ravens head coach,
do I think they've already won a super Bowl by now?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (13:43):
With the talent that they have and the teams that
they've had in the regular seasons that they had, they
would have won a championship by now and so and
we all know how I mean. I think a lot
of people, I mean, outside of the cheating stuff that
happened in New England, I think everybody would say Bill
Belichick's one of the greatest coaches of all time. So
in that case, it's hard for me to say, like,
(14:05):
John Harball's a really like a really good he's a
good coach. And if you're cool with being a really
good team and amassing wins and being in the conversation,
what's where's the upgrade for you when it comes to that.
So I think that comes into play as well.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
Mike.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
It's like, who can I bring in here right now
that would be better and be an upgrade over hardball.
And I don't think there's been many opportunities for that
to happen.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
No, And that's the curiosity, right, It's like, where as
an organization, you know, is that line and we talk
about the longevity and his ability to get it done.
You know, you've got you know, Coach of the Year,
You've got all those different awards and everything that go through.
And it's always when you're talking about coaches managers going
(14:56):
sport to sport, it's the at what point do we
need a different voice? At what point are we you know,
can we find something better because a lot of times
you can't. Right, well, how many organizations do we see
just it's shuffle all right after a year the owner's dissatisfied.
We could look at that in Cleveland, the fact that
Kevin Stefanski was potentially rumored to be losing his job.
(15:17):
Anybody that had a coach they even thought about that,
they don't like like, yeah, please fire him exactly because
I'll be the first guy to meet him at the facility.
I'll help him carry his stuff to his car, exactly, right,
those kind of things that you know, but for Harrball
for all these guys like we champion that and you know,
not to legislate, you know the history. Everybody's gonna feel
(15:39):
about Super Bowl wins versus regular season as they do.
You know, would you rather have stability of a guy
like a Harball, like a Tomlin, like Peyton was in
New Orleans? Now rebuilding with what he's got in Denver.
We'll do the Denver conversation in a minute. But you know,
looking at where we're at mccar in Dallas, Right, he's
(16:02):
got his win, but now he's they finally played for
him this week. Yeah, they did, they did, right, So
it's like all this dead man walking and then that
effort in Cooper Rush what three forty five for whatever
he throws for? Yeah, and the one of the craziest
sequences ever You and Dan must have been horse by
the end of that game, going back through here in
(16:23):
the studio. But it's all of that to say of
trying to figure out would you rather have that? And
as a fan and player, continuity, consistency whatever, versus hey,
we're really going for it this year.
Speaker 5 (16:34):
Yeah, you're building the program and I think at the
end of the day, if you brought in somebody and
you won a championship.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
Does it.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
If you outweigh the championship over the stability and the
actual culture of a team of an organization. I fall
in the culture and organization. I want somebody that's going
to be stable to run my organization, and I want
to put out a successful product every year. That's what
a business guy would want. And I think that's uh.
You talk about old school and you talk about old
school owners and old school like run organizations. That matters
(17:07):
because a lot of times you want to preach when
you bring in new players, and you bring in people
to your company, to your organization, whatever it is, like,
we're going to be a family here.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
This is how we do things.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
And so you walk into a situation where you already
feel their stable ground. We go into a situation where
you know that you have a guy that has propensity
to fire you because he doesn't he doesn't feel well
that day, then you probably don't want to step in
that step into that as a coach, as a player, anybody.
So it's you gotta figure that part out.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
By the way, you don't have the video, you're wad
you're listening on the radio, He was having flashbacks in
his eyes as he said that. At Carry twenty five Roads,
find me over at Swollendow and we'll continue. We'll take
a turn to Denver. Because Peyton getting a lot of love.
I think there's another guy that needs a little bit
of kudos and maybe another shot himself.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Be sure to catch five editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Welcome back in Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith's Show with
Me Mike Carmon. Carrie Roads in for Jason Smith tonight.
As we roll through here on a Monday night, week
twelve in the NFL season is finished, You're on the
highways and byeways, off to Grandma's house, hitting the airport,
sitting in traffic, whatever the case may be, maybe working, however,
you're listening to us. We appreciate you being part of
(18:30):
the extended family. It is not lost on us something
we feel very blessed and un honored to be able
to do. To the point where I mean, Carry Rhads
has a song named all of these things that we
sit here at Carrie twenty five roads find me at
Swollen'd home talking about the Denver Broncos. They are one
of the big stories emerging as the season rolls on.
(18:51):
What Sean Payton's been able to do with this roster
and the turnover and bo Nix when we go back
to the beginning of the season and the early reads,
the early gaffs, the interceptions, all of those things, trying
to grow into the role, thrust into it, and moments
of Okay, what are we doing here? I'm always afraid
(19:13):
of super genius tags for anybody, Right, you give me
a guy like Drew Brees and the operational efficiently. It
takes nothing away from the system that you built, but
you need a quarterback to execute it. And early on
it looked like maybe you know, it's a you know,
a mix that isn't gonna work well. Over the last
seven eight games, we've watched bon Nicks grow. He uses
his legs appropriately, better reads downfield. Courtland Sutton is the
(19:35):
guy that they paid, the guy that they wanted a
lot of rumor for a while last year. He's gonna
get dealt no. Now he's a cornerstone kind of player
for them as they build into this next iteration of things.
But what cannot be understated is how good, effective and
efficient their defense has been during this whole process. And
(19:56):
Vance Joseph a name that you're not going to hear
as often because, let's face it, offense is sexy and
gets people excitable, but the defensive side of things. Van Joseph,
a guy that we remember his coaching run didn't exactly
get a fair shake in anybody's estimation. I don't think
as a headman, has he earned another run? And what
(20:18):
do you think of this Broncos squad?
Speaker 4 (20:20):
Right now?
Speaker 5 (20:20):
The Bronco squad is I mean, justifiably so getting some
praise and they should be right now. They're playing really well.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
They are Nicks up to number two in the Rookie
of the Year voting now right on the heels of
Jade Daniels Daniels minus one eighty, Nick set plus one fifty.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
And I called that pretty.
Speaker 5 (20:40):
I called that I think a little bit earlier than most,
Like I said, probably like two weeks ago, so before
the real buzz of what he was doing.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
But was it the Jaden Daniels had the Kingsbury effects,
so the second half he won't be very effective.
Speaker 5 (20:54):
That didn't plan to it, but but that is the
truth to that a Kingsbury history, but there is sorry
to interrupt, No, you're fine, No, that's true to that.
But no, it was just you know, Jayden wasn't you know,
he wasn't lighting it up like he was in the beginning.
And it just kind of lends to my whole theory
about jumping the gun, because that's what a lot of
(21:15):
people like to do nowadays and annoint people really early.
And so, you know, Daniels was playing well. We all
have spurts of playing really good football, but you know,
there's gonna be a moment where other teams get film
on you and they know the best way to stop
the good things that you're doing early on and you
have to adjust, right So that's going to be a
moment of you know, you got to figure it out again,
(21:37):
and that's what's happening right now with the Commanders, and
you could just kind of see Nicks already had that early.
So in the beginning of the year, he wasn't playing
well like they were, you know, in games and they
were doing okay because the defense was playing really well.
But now he's actually the reason they're winning games and
you can see that momentum shift happening. And so when
(21:58):
you see that, I was like, oh, it perked me
up a little bit, Like, Okay, Nick is playing really well, really.
Speaker 4 (22:03):
Well right now.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
And then the last couple of weeks, obviously he's been
lights out, and so I called it, like two weeks ago,
I said, just pumpy breaks on the Daniels, you know,
offensive rookie of the Year thing, because Knicks is going
to have us say so down the stretch, and right
now he's he is. But no, this team is playing well.
Defense is the reason they, you know, were able to
be in this position right now. But no, they're doing good.
(22:24):
And I'm I'm I'm not a Peyton guy. I don't
think I think Peyton. I think his his ego is
bigger than anything that he's ever done as a coach.
So that's my stance with him usually. But right now
he's doing a good job.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
I always come back to the you had a really
big run because we've often heard in the larger media
world a bit of dismissiveness. We talked about it, and
you obliquely hit it with the Belichick bit of scandal. Yes,
but also the fact that people categorically dismissed what was
going on in the East all those years. Right, these
(23:00):
were always terrible, but the same thing has never been
done for Sean Payton and the Saints, Peyton Manning and
the Colts. Right, I'd not good to say there wasn't
a year that Tennessee was really good in the South,
but not consistently right the match shob Houston, Texas. Yes,
okay they got to eight and eight. Okay, great, Like
(23:22):
there was never a consistent contender in that division, But
we don't do the same thing to them, and Sean
Payton never did it to him.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I do, right, I've.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Been that guy all along. But it's that kind of
thing though, Like as a collective, it's been a celebration
all the time. It's like the South was terrible. Doesn't
mean there wasn't a year or two where there's a
run up. Atlanta had their run and whatever, but year
to year they basically as long as they stayed healthy,
they were gonna win that division. Yes, right, Tampa was
(23:54):
an afterthought. Yes, Carolina had what a year or two
where they were they were in the in the equation.
So like that's the thing with Sean Payton. Right, so
now it's act too. All right, let's see what you have. Yes,
and I gotta say year one, the battle between he
and Russ. Whatever we say about Russ and folks will
turn to his numbers. Whatever it was, ineffishing football, bad
(24:17):
hail mary, kind of throws and bail out kind of things. Yes,
bad sacks taken to take them off of possessions. All
of those things are very much true. But a lot
of that was personality conflicts of you know, to be
the man, you gotta beat the man, and and kind
of ego and who's really the cause of things? Whereas
now it's all right, I've gotten a new thing of
clay to mold.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
Drew Brees was an injury guy. Yes, that was a
reclamation that became that guy. We watched him at Purdue
spray the ball around that he gets hurt, right, chargers
on to the point where if he would have been healthy,
he would have been with Nick Sabe, we would have
never had Alabama. Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 4 (24:55):
That's right?
Speaker 3 (24:56):
And then instead while we get this run with with
Sean Payton there. So now it's curious in this next
phase you still have a lot of competition the Raiders
can't get out of their own way. Maybe they should
hire the thirty third team, the three teams between the Raiders,
the Giants and the Jets. Can they get a group discount?
Speaker 4 (25:12):
They will not get a discount.
Speaker 5 (25:14):
They come in three, they're going to get like it'll
probably be higher because it'd be a lot of work
to get done in that situation. But going back to
Peyton though, it's I'm not one hundred percent sure here,
but I think I'm pretty close. We're praising him right now.
And where they are for being seventy five right I
think last year at the same time they were seventy
(25:34):
five with Russell Wilson. So it's not like there's some
he hasn't done some amazing job as what I'm trying
to say. But they are being competitive and they are
in a spot where they're also lucky because the AFC
is a little down and so the as far as
the bottom exactly so the bottom like right now, there's
seventy five and they seem pretty comfortably in that last
(25:55):
spot where in the past it would be it would
be a little bit more competition for that.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
I mean, we've seen a number of teams stumble, we
go back to whatever is going on at Incinnati and
a few other things. I mean, look, Cleveland had gotten
the quarterback position, right, I don't let Deshaun Watson see
the football field? Yes, yeah, I mean you've got a
great roster, yes right, it was everything but a giant
question mark. He might as well have been running out
(26:22):
there with a damn riddler outfit. Out that's all you
had from him.
Speaker 5 (26:26):
Man, he's been bad, and it's just I can't goes
back to the year he took off.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
I can't even understand it. Man, Right, he took that
year off. Yeah, yes, yes, right when.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
You're still in Houston, and then we obviously have all
the off field stuff, right, But what have we seen
about three quarters of good football? Not great football, good
football since he's come back.
Speaker 5 (26:45):
Is that the biggest drop off from like a quote
unquote like star player that you've ever seen?
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Because I mean I remember going back to the twenty
seventeen draft, you know, to make it about me, but
because it goes back to the Trubisky Mahomes all of that.
If you were drafting based on what you saw in college,
Watson was your coat. Was your guy for sure, right,
with Mahomes, there was still the question of the conference
he's coming from and playing offensive style. Yeah, stylings and
(27:13):
all of that stuff. And obviously hindsight's twenty twenty, so
all of a sudden, everybody's like, well, they should have
done this that the other. I'm like, well, that's not
the case at the time. Like it's great revisionist history,
and you can argue that, you know, hey, Trubisky was
well like Daniel Jones a couple of years later. Yes,
you know, someone decided that was the apple of the eye.
I'm going to outthink and outsmart the room. And they
(27:34):
did it well once you did, like he got to
to playoff.
Speaker 4 (27:37):
It got to the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Because that's the other part right now, now into hindsight,
we're going to try to elevate Matt Naggey again. It's
like and dismiss Trubisky, Like, which is it? Yeah, right,
is he a great coach that carried some guy or
was the quarterback actually better than maybe he got credit
for at the time, somewhere in between theirs, because you
can't tell me that they had a powerhouse load of offensive
(27:59):
weaponry running around Chicago during that time. But anyway, the
idea now is just reforming to your to your point
about the where we're at record wise, Yeah, we're right
on path. It's just you're doing it with a rookie
molded in your own image and it's prettier. Yeah, it's
is that part of it like it's a you know,
a Bob Ross painting.
Speaker 5 (28:20):
Yes, it's a shining new toy that you can mold
and you can you know, you can give this guy
a platform to you know, he's going to grow. I
think about Nixon. It's funny because I saw Nix as
a freshman at Auburn and never thought he would even
be successful in college. So for him, I want to
give him credit because he's grown as a pastor as
(28:41):
a quarterback, and so give him credit where credits due.
Speaker 4 (28:44):
He's done. He's done a great job of molding his
own career. Right.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
But now he goes to a situation, you know, quarterback friendly.
That's you know, the word that's thrown around with Peyton
when it comes to giving him all the answers to
the test.
Speaker 4 (28:57):
So it looks like he's prepared and he had that
in factor.
Speaker 5 (29:00):
I'll say that he's a guy that you like it
looks like you want to go to. If you're in
the fox hole, you'll probably want him in there.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
There's no game that looks too big, and it's one
of those things that just bite all the noise to
Chicago to his draft class mate with Caleb Williams has
a quarterback rating in the fourth quarter over one hundred.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
Lost in the fact that you've got such a buffoonery
in the coaching coaching side of it that any of
that just gets absolutely lost. Block field goals and bad
decision making, the challenge quote that we used a little
bit earlier, all of that.
Speaker 5 (29:33):
You know what really what irked me the most about
the Peyton deal with Nicks is, Yeah, the fact that
he had to put it out there that, oh, I
tricked all these guys that I wasn't going to take
Nix and we sold the Raiders so they wouldn't move
up in the draft. It's like, dude, you got your quarterback,
just go get him good and get him prepared.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Why the other stuff that's he is.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
I know, he's the smartest guy in the room, hard
he's Aaron Rodgers. He has to let you in know
how smart and enlightened.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Em Man it's not anyway.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
But everybody else all right, yeah, we we just went
for it, right the John Harbaugh, Hey, no guts, no glory.
We made a decision. That's cool talking about with his
brother battle. But in the end, it's a football game.
I gotta go win, yes, right, Mike Tomlin some great quotes, yes,
but in the end it's brass tacks. Yes, let's go
play football between the white lines.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
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Speaker 3 (30:31):
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(30:53):
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carry twenty five roads for everything he's got popping, I'm
over at swollen Dome. Last thing I want to do.
First off, movie villains, right, since you know most of
(31:13):
the actions done. We have a movie on and Willy
Wonka was on. Grandpa Joe and Dumbledore to me, two
of the worst villains in movie history.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
I could say Dumbledore, but you said why Grandpa? Why
Grandpa Joe?
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Because he played everybody for twenty plus years lazy ass
on his ground, like laying around, feed me, take care
of me. Whatever. Oh, we got a gold ticket. I
go see a chocolate factory. Lie, I can dance, I
can sing, Let's go.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
No, the chocolate woke him up.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
No, no, no, no, he's just a sick of.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Sauce in there anyway. It's it's it's Wonka.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
Now you're talking about the juice, kind of like the
ticket that was sprinkle dust Sakuan's locker yesterday. You saw that, Dallas, Yeah, yeah,
I got the had some fun juice exactly, No juice,
no juice. That's exactly what the Giants played with zero
out in Week twelve of the NFL season. Let's hear
from Elik Neighbors and his evaluation. Go right the first
(32:06):
second quarter, don't get the ball, start getting targets a
d N. I mean, I can't do that. Targeting the
ball wins thirty zero.
Speaker 4 (32:13):
Tell them you do.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Why in the first chap are they not looking at you?
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
Tother daves are buy that hard days they know they
come up to me. Actually, what plays I want?
Speaker 3 (32:22):
That was that I don't know. They don't know Sam,
you know, doesn't matter. Quarterback's not here anymore. Same thing.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Yeah, Mylik Neighbors is a guy that is a winner
though Mike, and.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
But he was that like that was one of the
great things that came out of that Hard Knock series, right,
was him talking about whatever else. Yes, I want to win.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
And you know that. You can see that. So you
know what you got.
Speaker 5 (32:45):
If you're in full sale, in full tank mode, which
obviously they are. If you bypass Drew Lote to go
to Tommy Davido, you know you're in full sale job mode.
And so to have a winner like that on the
field and not then get a target his way, it's
it's very apparent.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
What's going on?
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Yeah, I felt foolish because in the I watch a
Flex podcast, which we'll be doing our previews for week
thirteen talking about the wins and losses of the week,
one of those was Divino just figuring he'd just wing
the ball around because he didn't care. I didn't even
get that.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Yeah, five attempts in the first time.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I mean, like, what the hell, let's sell some tickets.
Let let him go to work exactly. Oh, no, you
might accidentally come on to something exactly. Yes, what a disaster.
That's bad. But I mean, and maybe they sold a
couple extra tickets by putting him on the field instead.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Of forget about it. That didn't They're that's done. They
did not win.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
We are you just doing the Rizzler? Is that what
you're gonna do? You're gonna do riz face two next?
Speaker 5 (33:41):
No, I'm not not gonna do it. Nope, just this.
I know they can't see it. I know they can't
see it. But forget about it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (33:48):
What a what a season? Yes, when you got a
couple of guys like that, and obviously you've had injuries
on your offensive line, your defensive front, uh, Daniel Zones,
where's the best reclamation project for him? As we heard
from Monci, he's ruled out the Raiders, which which we
knew because the whole thing was I want to go
to a contender. But but it's funny, you got to
make that announcement. By the way, did Shadur put out
(34:09):
his thank God thing after the Raiders lost yesterday?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Again?
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Okay? Good?
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Just so he's consistent.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, gotta thank God all the time.
Speaker 3 (34:15):
Because, uh, I'll tell you what. Mark Davis is salivating
over the potential of him coming to his organization as
long as he doesn't get kneecapped.
Speaker 4 (34:23):
He does not want to go there.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
You saw that talking about forget about it, that that
hit the Kansas defend That's where my lineman better be
coming and beating his ass if he if he did
gonna do that, you know what I mean? Like, that's
where I was waiting for someone to come full on
forget about it.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Nobody did it. Not that those guys.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
Don't talk their amount of trash and maybe he should
have been thrown out for the contact with the Wrath
and whatever.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Like.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
They have their moments. But air a couple of plays
from the Kansas Defenders. Boy, he got a little bit loose,
all right. He's carried. Thanks for sitting in, Ben Mallar.
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