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December 3, 2024 40 mins

Jason and Mike tell you why it makes the most sense for Jameis Winston to stay in Cleveland with the Browns. And the loss to the Seahawks was a huge deal for the Jets because that was the game - and the fallout after - that told Jason that Aaron Rodgers will retire at the end of the season, most likely announcing it before Christmas.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Welcome in Side hour three The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon, live from the Tirack
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(00:50):
watch a game that was absolutely drunk for the last
three and a half hours. Hit the Over the Broncos
hold off the Browns forty one to thirty two thanks
to Jameis Winston. Waitway, what yeah? No? Thanks to Jameis Winston.
I'll look bo Nicks had a nice night, right two
ninety four touchdown. Couple of picks. You know the Broncos

(01:12):
have had a nice night tonight. Offensively, Mims had a
really big night three catches, one hundred and five yards
of a touchdown. Everybody who drafted them a year ago going, oh,
I should have kept Mervin Mims on my bench. I
can't believe I didn't do that. But really, the story
of the night is what we saw from Jamis Winston,
who kept both teams in the game as long as
he could. Jamis goes thirty four for fifty eight four

(01:35):
hundred and ninety seven yards, four touchdowns, and three interceptions,
two of which were returned for touchdowns. One would have
been except Jerry Judy decided at the end, Okay, I'm
gonna run this guy down and make a tackle even
though the game is over. Because the final the final
interception was when they were down nine on the one
yard line with forty seconds left in the game. Winston

(01:56):
throws a pick and Jerry Jue, who had an incredible
night with over two hundred yards receiving himself, runs down
the ball. So instead of three pick sixes, it's just two.
And if you had the Browns getting six and a half, boy,
you were not happy seeing Winston throw that pick. When
they had the ball first and goal in the one. No,
that's just it, right. You have the the pass interference

(02:18):
that took away the opportunity to break the all time
yardage record set by Matt Shobb, as we've chronicled, but
you had the opportunity for that little back door and
swung wide open, saying, oh, Jamis, who's been brilliant against
the spread as an underdog of six or more in
his career, here's another opportunity to put one in the

(02:40):
wind column.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
You were licking bills like, we're going, what the hell's
he doing?

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Who's he throwing the football? Two? It was that kind
of Look, it's a night that stands for the entirety
of Jameis Winston's career. Right, And we talked a few
minutes ago about how he has won the Brown starting
job for next year. But have you if you've fired
Jimmy Haslam, well he's the owner, you'd have to fire himself. Well,
but this goes back to what we've talked about a lot. McCaskey. Hallis, Yeah,

(03:08):
do you trust.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
What they're doing?

Speaker 1 (03:09):
No, you know what, he Johnson ain't leaving the country,
But you're not getting rid of him. You're you're gonna
pay him. You don't have to play him, but you're
gonna pay that. You can't go back to what. You
can't go back to to Deshaun Watson. After what Jameis
Winston has done showing up and unlocking all of these
whipple that's great in theory, Judge James Wains like, my goodness, down,

(03:31):
I'm jumping five levels in Super Mario, Like that's what
he's done. Yeah, but knucklehead billy, I mean Jimmy is
still there at the controls that suddenly he's gonna realize,
you know what, Hey, all that money that I spent
on Deshaun that I backed all this way, I'm suddenly
gonna do it about face. Let me let me just

(03:52):
say this. This is this is I'm talking specifically right
now to Jameis Winston. Jamis, this is me talking to you.
The Browns are gonna give you a nice stay in Cleveland.
It works for you here, stay with Don't take whatever
money comes out of Vegas and go to the Raiders.
Don't do it. It's not gonna work out. Stay in Cleveland.

(04:15):
You have something good going here. Again. The the chemistry
that he immediately had with anybody who's playing wide receiver
for the Browns, whether it's Judy Elijah Moore, you got
a joku a tight end, Cedric Tillman for a few weeks,
like he has done so much. Nick Chubb's healthy again.
Jerome Ford has been pretty good when he was pretty

(04:35):
touched the ball nine times. Hey he scored that rush
yet that receiving touchdown though, to save your fantasy day. Well, look,
but this is where things get bigger than just Jamis Winston.
And it gets to a point because I can't tell
you how how sick I haven't been here in this
the last few weeks. Oh, Jets don't know what they're
doing with quarterbacks. Man, Look, Sam Darnold's really good, Gino

(04:56):
Smith is starting, Aaron Rodgers stinks. You know what you
do your quarterbacks? Okay, First of all, I want to
say this, Sam Donald's on his fourth team, not just
the Jets that didn't unlock Sam Donald. Gino Smith stunk
for a decade. Meandered around like Odysseus trying to find
a team. And only because Pete Carroll said it's you
or Drew Locke. Hey, he got the job right. But

(05:18):
if this is not about the Jets. This is this
is this is a point that and to think about
this because I always I always like to look and say, hey,
here's a path not taken or a path we haven't seen. Generally,
guys get to the NFL, they show they can do it,
or they can't, and they play in the league or
they don't. And for most positions that's true. If you're
a defensive back, you're gonna get all the reps you
can in camp to show you can do it, show

(05:39):
you can be on the field. You'll get your chances
on special teams. You'll get your chances to cover slot guys.
You'll get your chance right offensive line, same thing. You'll
get a chance to show you could be a swing tackle.
But quarterbacks you don't always get your chance because you
are put in a system that maybe is not there
for you to succeed in. Right, you drafted an offensive tackle,

(06:00):
he's gonna go play in any system. Right, you draft
a nose tackle, he can go play in any system. Right,
you draft an outside linebacker. He's able to get to
the quarterback. He can play in any defensive system. But
quarterbacks can't. And think about all the careers that we
didn't see because the quarterback was drafted by a team

(06:20):
and it just wasn't the right situation because they tried
to put him in a system that didn't work for him,
or they cut bait on him too early. Because look
at these three guys now that we talk a lot
about the guys who who manned around the league, and
now suddenly they find themselves starting again. Jameis Winston, right,
Jameis Winston. It took him forever, right, the guy, the
guy was good in Tampa. But then that thirty touchdown,

(06:40):
thirty interception season done, can't have any more. Jamis, we
gotta we gotta get off this ride. They go get
Tom Brady and they win a Super bowls. Okay, if
the roster was too good to keep going down that path,
if he giveth, he'd taketh away. But Jamis, but Jamis
was a guy who put up, who put up a
lot of yards. But they couldn't do it anymore. So
he goes and he plays somewhat well in Warling until

(07:00):
he gets hurt, but then he never gets the chance
there and now he's bouncing around as a backup. But
here he is finally, and nobody thought this was gonna work.
The Browns are just trying to find somebody with some
kind of experience to back up to Shawn Watson. Hey,
we need someone that can make plays on the run
and you get outside the pocket a little bit strong arm. Hey,
Jameis Winston fits that. But he's our backup. But look
at what they found because they got lucky. Same thing

(07:22):
with Sam Donald, right, Sam Donald, Oh, look at the Joe.
He's great in Carolina. After three games in Carolina, Sam
Donald stunk, right, so we washed out there. Here he
goes to San Francisco, couldn't beat out brock Perty and
now he's on his fourth team now only because JJ
McCarthy gets hurt Sam Donald plays. This wasn't Sam Donald
coming into the summer camp out playing JJ McCarthy and

(07:43):
Sunny Boy. We really found somebody. He was only starting
because McCarthy got hurt. Right. And then you go to
Gino Smith, who left the Jets after he was terrible,
started tiny bit of places, a few places, a tiny
bit for the next decade, and now found himself in
Seattle when they just stuck because they got rid of
Russell Wilson and they were sort of starting over and

(08:04):
they didn't have anybody else, but Gino Smith was the backup.
He was there for a couple of years. He knew
the offense. Pete Carroll liked him more than like Drew
Locke and gave Gino Smith the starting job. And he
has played pretty well. Right, he hasn't won really really
big games, but he is a very dynamic quarterback and
he throws for two seventy five three hilly yards every week.
He's got really good wide receivers there. Jackson Smith the
jig but is fantastic. So these guys, it took them

(08:28):
forever and they got lucky. None of this was by design.
None of this was we're gonna bring you in, put
you in our system, and watch the quarterback we turn
you into. This is all luck. It took Jameis Winston
bounce around. Finally, Hey, we hit on this because this
is working in Cleveland. Only because Deshaun Watson stunk and
got hurt, right, same thing with Sam Darlin Minnesota, three
other teams. No, but JJ McCarthy gets hurt. He's our

(08:49):
first round pick. And you look at Gino Smith, who
was around the league on seven different teams, and now
only because Seattle said, we got to get rid of
Russell Wilson and we're stuck. He gets a chance. This
was all luck. This is not anything that was a plan.
And so when you think about that, you think about
all the great careers that maybe we didn't see just
because they weren't in Like you could say, hey, maybe

(09:09):
Zach Wilson would have been great with a different team.
I don't know, maybe not, maybe would maybe not. How
good would Daniel Jones have been with a different team,
Maybe he would have been great and maybe not. Right,
how good would Cam Newton have been when you have
played longer if he was with a different team besides
the Patriots after he left the Panthers. You have to
be in the right situation that takes advantage of what
you can do well, and teams just don't do that
all the time. And it's it's nothing but luck. Why

(09:33):
we've gotten with what we've gotten from these three quarterbacks
that have been Hey, what great success stories they are.
After not playing for a long time, the NFL forgot
about them. Everybody's forgotten about them, their backup quarterbacks, and
when they play, it's like, oh, this guy's still in
the league. And now here they are showing they can
do things. And Darnold is gonna go into free agency
next year, probably get a starting job somewhere as a
bridge quarterback. Gino Smith's gonna stay the Seahawks quarterback for

(09:56):
another year. Jameis Winston will be the brown starting quarterback
next year. Yeah, great success stories, but it's just luck.
There's no bigger plan here that And when you think
about all the positions in the NFL, the quarterback is
the one where things really have to go right for them.
Maybe Trevor Lawrence, if the Jaguars trade him in the
off season, he finds that way to go, because now

(10:17):
we've seen the quarterbacks can jump around for a few
years before they find this is what really works for me.
But really it's just luck. And it's crazy to think
the NFL, which does so much film work and review
on players and see who fits where and what does
what on quarterbacks, it's just a gut It's a gut
feel in the end, and sometimes it works and sometimes
it doesn't. I mean, you can go back and look
at Jared Goff. Even the guy that's the offensive wizard

(10:40):
decided he didn't need him anymore and he goes to Detroit,
finds the right system. You've got Sonic and Knuckles leading
the way. Really very underrated nicknames. Though Sonic also a
really bad job like criticizing broadcasts because normally we're watching,
we don't have sound whatever. That was one of the
things over the Thanksgiving weekend. I wasn't in a studio,

(11:02):
so I didn't have that filter that I normally get
to because I'm like the insipid commentary or obvious missus.
Like they didn't even show the video as they went
down to the sideline to talk about the nicknames, Like
they walked in with those guys.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
You have a movie coming out.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
In three weeks. They're part of Paramount and you didn't
do it. And then the ensuing commercial break there was
the hey, Sonic three comes out December whatever it is.
I was like, how did you not incorporate that into
your teleg Like what are you doing? But all that
to say, all of these quarterbacks that you name, there
are also guys that were either first round picks or

(11:38):
high second round picks, which means what everybody thinks they
can fix them. They're gonna get that second shot, that
third shot, that the ability to hang around with Daniel Jones.
A lot of it was all right, Brian Dable did
this with Josh Allen, So we're gonna get another year.
Guess what catastrophic injury plus neck injury equals, eh, and

(11:58):
then you get the results that you did. Sakwan Barkley,
you can have that argument to your blue in the face.
How many wins was he in? Let's talk about that.
You still got a bad infrastructure and no wide receivers
until now you've got neighbors. Oh, you still forget about
calling plays for him for a half at a time.
So all all of that, you get an opportunity, and
you're always gonna find that offensive would be guru that's

(12:20):
gonna say, I can fix that guy. I can make
him right. But anyway, but maybe it doesn't work. No,
I might stump around and jump around and jump around,
but it's still it's the You got to have the
guy with the hubris and the give him the opportunity,
and that's just it. Can you hang around long enough
to get yourself another bite at the apple where you've
got a Kevin O'Connell, where you've got a Sean McVeigh,

(12:42):
where you've got one of the guys to give you
a shot a Shanahan that fixes maybe some of those
ills along the way, right, Jameis Winston stopped down in
New Orleans for a bit where we thought, at least
for a little bit, you got rid of some of
those turnover tendencies and still got the pick sixes. You
didn't even do the Bonito line like that. Burmanism has

(13:05):
been waiting for you all night and you haven't done it.
You go in Santiago or Burrito. It's going to Santiago, Santiago.
A pretty interception by Benito for the touchdown, DJ, what
do you got Frostburg?

Speaker 3 (13:20):
It might be luck, but not when it comes to
the former Jets QBS, you stop it with this garbage. No, no, no,
but look, Darnold, laying QB for the Jets is like
being in a coma.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
Oh look, the Jets are never gonna get just come
out of it right away.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
No, no, but is this time?

Speaker 1 (13:34):
But is this a saying on a TV show you
were sleeping and so is written out of the show
for whilst they can go do a movie. Then they
come back because you were in a coma for it
contracts his spear. Yeah, And then you finally, all right,
I'll accept your offer. I need to give me back
on the show. But look, the Jets, Sagebrush, not God,
They've not gotten the quarterback position, right. They killed Carl, Carl,

(13:57):
they did, they did. Hey, your chargers, you kill Kirk Cousins.
So there you go here. You guys are even killing
Kirk Cousins. Uh, Captain Kirk. The Jets no longer. The
Jets can't get anything right, right, so it doesn't so
it doesn't matter. But Sam Darnold had had more than
a chance with Adam Gaze, whom he loved as his
head coach, and he was terrible, right, And and Gino
Smith had a chance. What happened He got punched out

(14:19):
by one of his teammates. Man, I mean, come on,
I mean, that's Jets for you. But I mean, and
and he wasn't good enough on the field, right, So yes,
I think it's it's not a coincidence that this has happened,
but it's a little bit of well, a couple of
these guys did knucklehead effect too, right, Jamis has his
past look troubling problem. James was never near the Jets,

(14:42):
and look at the journey he's had to get to
be a quarter well, but he's never been. That's why
I tried to circle in that don't two times. No,
tis the knuckle had effect and doing you know, reportedly
some he's had his transgressions. It never had him, never
been on the team. No, but that. But look, it's
it's Luck. It's it's absolutely form Jets QBS speaking Luck.

(15:03):
I mean he's coming back to football. He's a GM captain.
Andrew Luck lives. No, Look, the Jets are never gonna
get it right. The Jets is like being in a coma.
Never takes time to get out of it. Keep him alive,
He'll he'll come alive eventually. They're never there. They're just
they're just never going.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Joe Douglas cannot visit.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Get him out of here, come on. The Jets is like, oh,
now I know it's not I now I have to
wait till my next team. I have no choice but
to wait. There. It's not just a Jets thing, right,
It's to think about think about the where you have
to get to in that situation, to have to unfold
and make sure you wonder Old Aaron Rodgers if he
gets away from the Jets also makes thing about how
how how bad Deshaun Watson was not be able to

(15:43):
do anything with this offense. Well, there's a lot of
guys running around exit out about a Fresco exit swalling
down the Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. Now,
since we're in the the mode of prognostication, tell you
Jameis Winston's won the starting job for the Cleveland Browns
for next season. He's changing the NFL as we know it.
How about another big prediction for next year. Woh yeah,

(16:05):
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Speaker 1 (17:19):
This is a song you're playing for your girlfriend? How
do you know? Yeah, I because it's somewhat of his
holiday song because of the bells, but it's more of
a love song. Missle tbe Yeah, I knew we were
getting to a missiletone, misslaying it somewhere in front of
a fire beard and drug. Sure, Oh you added the
bear skin rug. That's a nice touch. Hey baby, I'll

(17:40):
play a song for you at nine to twenty five,
Just tune in. I love you, baby, doesn't matter walking
around spraying that fresh pine scent. I'll play it just
for you. And then another girl he calls up and says, Hey,
nine to twenty five, gonna play a song just for you.
Tune in. Listen.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
Oh whoa, whoa, whoa whoa? Wait?

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Hold on was that on there? I could always tell
when Frostburg speaks on airon when he speaks off. Jason,
when you were Jason the Mason, How many songs do
you play for the girls you're talking to? Just Jason Mason,
Jason the Mason, Jason Mason, Jason the Mason constitutes a
whole other world right there. I'm saying I was just

(18:19):
in Syracuse on the air in college. I was just
Jason Mason. That was my name.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Why not the what was it?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
And the Crazy Morning Crazy Morning crew and the crazy
Morning crew where the music mixed with the difference and
uh uh that was a big line. How many people
in your crew? Oh? There was like four or five?
Were they legit or were they just made up voices
that you kind of No. No, I did the show with
no man voice. I did have an old crazy old
lady the voice and voice. Uh did have a yeah

(18:46):
I did that? No uh pimply faced team voice.

Speaker 4 (18:50):
No, my roommate.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
No, my roommate who was my best friend. We were
co hosts together. And then another girl, Heather Thompson, who
was really talented. I thought you're gonna say, Heather Thomas,
Heather gonna start singing the fall. Did you guys fight
over Jason, I take miney? Did you try to impress
her with your way? J Mason, Jake, Jed just just
Jason Mason. No, no, no, no, uh but it was

(19:13):
mister Simpson. He's not an agent now at uh uh oh?
Where is he an age? He's an agent somewhere Now
I need an agent. Is he any good? Well, he's
a Hollywood agent.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
You know.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
I think Sinbad is one of his clients. Actually I
think he's bad. Sinbad one of his clients, but not
a very good agent. No, No, he's got a lot
of bad. Hasn't worked in twenty years. Sinbad works all
the time. What are you talking about? Works all the time?
Are you kidding? He was like the last time the
jet's got a touchdown. I don't, I don't. I don't
think Sinbad's in good health. Jason. By the way, do

(19:43):
you remember that movie Going to Hell? Which one jingle
that was that was Shaquille n I was that was?
That was? That was? I didn't see that one. That
was it was so him. No, I didn't see that one.
I didn't see it. I didn't see it. And I
didn't play songs for girls when I was. I did.
It was too hard. It was too hard to do
because I had to pick all the music and get

(20:04):
it ready to because they'll let you pick the music.
You had to play all the hits, and then you
had to pick like the they called them recurrens like songs.
In the last ten years, I had to pick the
music and play it and get ready. I had no time.
We took requests on the request line, but I would
never play. I never played music for a girl. Now
I think back to what I should have found ways

(20:25):
to do that. Hey, baby, this is from me I
met you last night. It's a long Jason dedication. Here
is whip Appeal by Babyface. Here's rub You the Right
Way by Johnny Gill. I'm gonna rub you with my
magic hands and give you what Joe missing in a
man brought to you by Oduels. There is a there
is that's a morning drive show that you're doing. Kids

(20:46):
were being taken to school and you're trying to suggest
such thing. As my wife likes to say, the only
thing you know more than sports is that four years
of pop music from nineteen eighty eight to nineteen ninety two.
And I was like, yeah, you're right, Yeah, absolutely percent,
you're right. You still have the mixtapes? Uh No, I
don't have any tapes, and we just lost every listener

(21:06):
under third I never died. You could. You could hear
my New York accent so badly in the very beginning,
And that's where I change, because I knew I can't
be on the air and talk like that. Hey, Jason
Mason and don Z eighty nine, the music mixture is
a difference. Uh, coming up, we got me from en
Vogue and Lisa Stansfield. I'll take us to see Phil
Collins out at the Fairgrounds. Coming like, oh my god,
I can't talk like that on the air. You can't change, no, no, no, See,

(21:29):
if I'd had another day with my parents and my brother.
I'd be coming back with some more used guys. I
had to make it to make sure I get to
say my rs and get ready to do yeah, because
I get to my Southside Chicago weeese pretty fast. How'd
that work out for Bad Joe? Not? Well, right, it's
Fat Joe's fault. They lost the World Series, you know, Joe.
It's not uh, it's not Aaron Judge's fault. It's Fat

(21:52):
Joe's with Gov Joe. Now, I'm trying to think. I
never No, I never played a song for anybody. I
probably shouldn't. That's probably why you last long. No, I
did the show for like four years, That's what I meant.
I and and I think back to going I got
up at five thirty in the morning every day of
my college career, Like, why did I do? Never to
do that again? Why did I do that? Then? Why

(22:13):
didn't I just sleep until noon every day? I mean
on the weekends I did. But man, I'm I got
up at five because you got to say, I'm Jason
the Mason and my crazy.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Just Jason Mason. Outside of that show, when's the last
time you walk up at five thirty?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
That question was going, no fall in.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
For Dan, I wanted to. Yeah, it's it's it's waking up,
waking up that early. Let's just say I've done that
for Dan after being on nights. My whole life related,
it's not work related. Okay, okay, does it count I
have to go to the bathroom.

Speaker 4 (22:45):
No?

Speaker 1 (22:45):
Oh uh oh, I don't know. Five thirty not work related.
Five thirty probably when I had to fly somewhere. Okay,
we're flying. I mean that's awful because I'm just walking
around the house like going. I just want to I
just want to sit down and fall asleep. But I
gotta walk through it. I'm gonna walk through baggage. I
gotta get on the plane. I get this is awful.
I don't want to do this again. Then you get
on a metal tube near across the country and no

(23:06):
time flat complain Jason Mason here, Yeah, we got music
coming up. Ticket. You're drinking a lot of what energy drinks?
Or were you a mountain dew guy or what were you?

Speaker 3 (23:18):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (23:18):
No, no, come on? That was that was that was
why it was the late eighties that could no, that
was the begining. That was the beginning of diet coke,
right there. That was that boom, let's go, let's go,
let's go, let's go.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
That was crystal pepsi day, isn't you?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Oh my god? I thought about crystal pepsi in like
thirty years. I gotta explain to millennials what pepsi is. Okay,
hang on, I have a tap, I'll put I'll give
you a tab. You have to order something from now
off of your your had your your handle on Twitter
at how about a fresco? I watched the movie CBGB
over the weekend thirteen. Alan Rickman as the guy who

(23:58):
was the owner in proprietor of cbe sure uh and
Donald log who you know from Law and Order SVU.
Maybe you've seen him at Afghan Wigs, conch or whatever. Uh.
So they're they're in there and he goes, we're gonna
be the only bar that has Fresca from the fountain.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
On Ta Fresca.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Has anybody ordered that?

Speaker 2 (24:20):
No, get it out, get it out, let's get.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Rid of like it was. It was a big selling point.
And he's setting up the barn. That's great. Yeah, what
do you want? Not that, I'm gonna have something else
my Twitter handles. How about a Fresco. I don't drink Fresca.
Fresco's grapes grape it's it's sparkling grapefruit juice. They didn't
say if they had said, how about as if they

(24:43):
had said, how about a Coca Cola and caddy shack,
that would be my that would be my line. He
would be, how about a guy about a Coca Cola?
How do I think someone would have beaten you to
that one? Well, only because they didn't have Moose and Rocco.
I wanted to be Moose and Rocco, but I picked
how about a Fresco? Instead? Follow us at dome Moose
and Rocco. So we've been predicting a lot of stuff

(25:06):
future tonight, Jameis Winston specifically at the beginning, at the middle,
and end of a lot of it. But let me
just tell you one thing, and it's gonna be easy
because after what we saw this weekend, uh, not one,
not two, not three, but at least four games where
opposing teams planting their flag at the middle of the
field after a game is over was met with different

(25:28):
levels of hatred and vitriol. I I would guarantee you
with every dollar in my pocket in the off season.
The college football will come to an agreement as well,
because they can't go to agreement with anything, but they
will come to agreement and say, planting the flags on
the field is now outlawed. Can't do it, can't you

(25:49):
Whenever other things, you can't plant the flag at midfield,
so you can still have your marching band, and we'll
worry about the marching band stuff later on. Worry about that.
You know, that's part of the larger build up to
this process. But the planting of the flag just escalated
time and time again. And it's too bad because you've
got emotion, get you got that battle, and you go

(26:11):
and you stick it literally to your opponent. Conversely, it's
the you know what, did you expect everybody to stand
around and go, wow, that's just And then that's the
thing is that look for the Michigan Ohio State, which
had the most attention obviously because it was the game
in Ohio State barfed all over themselves. But the whole
thing is that, yeah, okay, I see the perspective. You

(26:31):
don't want the to plan a flag, win a game,
win the game, right, But at the same time is
do you really think that if you try to plant
your flag on the middle of your opposing teams field,
nothing's gonna happen. No, but that's just it. Right as
I know something. You know, if I walk home and look,
you're robbing my house, I'm not gonna go and help
you get the TV off the wall and walk out
the door with it.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
That's what it is.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
You beat me already, and now you're trying to add
insult to injury by planting the flag. No, I'm gonna
stop you. I'm gonna get it's some level of quote
unquote dignity out of this. You gotta know that something's
gonna happen. You have to know that if we try
to plant the flag, people are gonna be pissed because
they're pissed because Ohio State just blew a game that
they had no right to blow. The Michigan missions missing

(27:16):
the two best players. Colton Loveland was out, Will Johnson
was out. Both those guys are first round picks, and
Ryan Day coached so tight wouldn't let Will Howard throw
the football because that was their only way out was
to let Will Howard go up and down the field
right open that offense up. Because that's what Ohio State
was doing. When they went tempo and they threw the football.
They ran Michigan ragged. But because Howard threw those two

(27:37):
bad picks, Ryan Day couldn't trust Will Howard. And that's
Ryan Day's fault. You want to talk about all things
that are his fault and his record in the Big
Ten of being ninety six and one but one in
four versus Michigan, he doesn't trust his quarterbacks enough. Okay,
just a little bit on this because you saw last
year what happened Kyle McCord's fault. Right, I'm gonna run
Kyle McCord out of town. What do you do? This year?
For Syracuse led the nation yards passing, not the ACC

(28:02):
led the nation in yards passing. Syracuse won nine games.
We're going to the biggest bowl game we've had in
twenty five years. He's the best quarterback we've had in
twenty five years. If Ohio State has him on Saturday,
they win. But Will Howard throws ten and the picks
were bad. Don't get me wrong, but you have to
be able to trust your quarterback to go out and
make place you weren't running the ball. I know you
tried to run the ball in Michigan's defense and you couldn't,

(28:23):
and you kept doing the same thing over and over again.
If Ryan Day would trust his quarterback more. Everybody likes
to win games a certain way, and this is a
big fault of coaches. I have this way to win. No,
the best coaches are kind of they have the Ameeble
way of Hey, we can win this way, we can
win this way. I can win doing this. That's why
Greg Popovich has been so great for so long. He
doesn't have a system. Hey, this is how we're gonna

(28:44):
win with this group I have this year. That's why
Greg Popovich has always been successful. And that's the way
coaches need to be. But Ryan Day just does not
trust his quarterback and nothing he has the last couple
of years, and that's why they lost. Even with Howard
throwing two picks, still throw the football down the field.
You're not winning the game. Otherwise he completely blew that game.
That's the that's the Ryan Day fault. You say, oh,
all these different things, Rover, No, that's the big thing.

(29:07):
That's Ryan Day's fault because he wouldn't trust his offense
enough when they could all you gotta do is score
twenty points you beat Michigan. You're not gonna do it
by running the ball that way and trying to eke
out a win. It was a horrible game plan. Two
other things, college kickers, you missed two field goals short ones,
and once again you're not strong up front when it matters.
You got bullied. Right. What was the rushing differential yards

(29:30):
six to seventy two? Yeah, it's a hundred yards. So
you're getting run over by a team, and you know,
you kind of chuckled if you were watching the telecast,
and you know, take it all with the grain of
salt with some of it as you went through. But
early on it's like, well they thought they'd learned something
against Northwestern. It's like Northwestern kind of sucked. So you

(29:50):
know that that wasn't necessarily too except they trusted their
run game right, and they decided the power run game
was what was gonna work. And against Ohio State once again, Look,
Lou Holtz, you can say a lot of things about him.
Many people have impressions. Bad impressions are out there. Uh.
He talked about Ryan Day and the toughness of Ohio State.
Once again, they got bullied in the biggest game of

(30:13):
their year. Now you can fight and argue about Ryan
Day and whether he should or shouldn't keep his job,
does he need a title, all of that fun stuff.
We've got weeks to talk about that. But in the
moment when you needed them to, they didn't have the
intestinal fortitude to match at the line of scrimmage, and
you got beat again. And then while the flag gap
planted exit out about a Fresco exit swalling down the

(30:34):
Jason Smithson with Mike Carmon Live from the Tyreck dot
Com studios. Now, let's find out what's trending from a
guy who took his college's flag tried to plant it
in the middle of his big rivals field. However, the
Deviride Institute of Technology did not have a field, so
Steve de Seger could not do that.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
Actually, I realized, like all the other flag planters over
the weekend, hey, this is artificial term.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
That best just keep banging it through. It'll right through.
Eventually it'll break through it.

Speaker 4 (31:01):
They have been the best point brought up this weekend
on our airwaves by our own Chris Plank. By the way,
I was just listening to the Ryan Day that.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
About our team. That postgame, what.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
He said about our team. I cannot believe. That's a
tough team right here.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
They're proud to be from Ohio. It's always been Ohio
against the world. He sounds like the deli guy that
shows up on my Instagram feed.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Look at it, you got the Buderella.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Who do you think who hates Michigan more, Ryan Day
or Gus Johnson. If I'm Michigan, I don't want guys
anymore of my games for the deli guy. The bread
is tougher than Ohio State. Look at this.

Speaker 4 (31:36):
Get it over there, Denver Broncos Peak Cleveland forty one
thirty two in the Monday night game.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Apparently this was not a scory Gama. You know the scorygami.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
They yeah, if it's a score that had never occurred
as a final scorer in the history of the league.
Apparently that had happened once before, when the recent expansion
team known as the Miami Dolphins had an AFL win
over the Boston Patriots of forty one thirty two. At
that that was the only other time. Jamis Winston certainly
the news after this game. He was the losing quarterback

(32:08):
with four touchdown passes, three interceptions, including two pick sixes.
In fact, Statsying points out that, yeah, he threw for
almost five hundred yards tonight, but if you add in
the interception return yards against him, which is over one seventy,
it's an NFL record six hundred and sixty eight combined
passing yards off of one arm going in either direction.

(32:32):
And in fact, Associated Press looked up the NFL records
on sports Rader back up to the nineteen forties, and
their conclusion is Jameis Winston tonight became the first quarterback
in league history to throw for at least four hundred
yards and throw for at least four touchdowns and have.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Two pick sixes in the same game.

Speaker 4 (32:51):
Still, the NFL record for pick sixes in a game
is three by Aaron Rodgers right, set by Joe Namath
of the Jets.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Actually, Jets, Joe.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Didn't Ethan Peterman come close to doing that a few
years ago.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
That was not pick sixes, that was five picks in
a first half. As I recall at the Chargers all right,
Eli Manning amazingly the year they won a Super Bowl
had a three pick six game against the Minnesota Vikings
and final ad Jerry Judy X of Denver back in
the Mile High City, had nine receptions two hundred and
thirty five yards, including a seventy yard TD going up

(33:25):
against a Denver team that does have a great defensive
back in Patrick Sirtan, not only his former Broncos teammate,
his former college teammate. Next Gensat says when Jerry Judy
was lined up against Sir Tan he only had two
catches Against the rest of the team, it was seven
catches for over two hundred yards.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
You know whose fault that is the Broncos for not
putting him on Jerry Judy Ye Bingos.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Hey, we see that guy.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Hey, why don't you follow him around the field. You
can play on either side, you can do that. You
know you know him.

Speaker 4 (33:54):
Forty nine Ers running back Christian McCaffrey likely out for
the season. He'll miss at least six weeks with the
Spring PCL Saints. Ted and Taysom Hill suffered a torn
acl yesterday in the NBA Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Beat up the Lakers one oh nine to eighty. Back
to You, Thank You, Steve. The Jason Smith Show with
Mike Carmon Live from the Tirack dot Com studios. We'll
have more in the night that was for Jamis Winston
coming up in a few minutes. But straight ahead, there
is one quarterback in the NFL that if I was
the head coach, I would say, you have this week
or I'm benching you. And it's it's not Aaron Rodgers.

(34:28):
It's actually someone good but just not lately. You have
one chance or you're hitting the bench for good. It's
not Cleveland.

Speaker 3 (34:37):
Who is?

Speaker 1 (34:38):
We'll tell you next Jason and Mike.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (34:47):
Get out of my studio, The Jason Smith Show with
my best friend Mike har Rob. It's like a month away.
I hit the post. I'm good to hit the post. No,
not the mailbox post. I was waiting for dogs to
start barking or something. No one has the variety of
holiday songs like we do here at I do the

(35:08):
reggae ones. I Betty bark twice. If you hate Christmas music. Uh,
we got more on the night that was for Jamis Winston,
Jerry Judy and the Broncos coming up in a few minutes.
But coming off of this week in the NFL, quarterbacks
are starting to get much more scrutinies. We get to
about five weeks out and no, this is not about

(35:29):
Aaron Rodgers. But if I was the head coach of
the Atlanta Falcons, okay, and we come back from the
day off on Tuesday, I call Kirk Cousins in and
I say, hey, Kirk, you're a great player. You have

(35:51):
this week to turn it around, or Michael Pennick Junior
is going to be the quarterback. This is it, this
is your last chance, this is your moment of truth
this season, or you're gonna hit the bench. And we
go to Michael Penick Junior. And the only reason the
Falcons haven't done it yet is because the division is

(36:11):
terrible and they're tied for the lead at six and six.
Right the NFC South is awful. But Cousins, who has
been up and down at best all season long, is
in a three game slide. That's just hit a punctuation
mark of four interceptions yesterday against the Charge. Now, the
Charges are a pretty good defense, but Cousins slung the

(36:31):
ball around pretty well for most of his career. Could
be coming off the injury. Yep. When guys get to
be in their mid thirties, coming off an injury is
a thing, just as Karon Rodgers or in your forties.
But he has not been great all year long. And
we've talked about this that Cousins is a bridge quarterback,
whatever kind of money you're paying him, he is a
bridge quarterback until it's time for Michael Pennick Junior. And

(36:53):
I remember beginning of the season saying, boy, he's had
two bad games in a row. Another couple of games,
they're gonna go to him. And then he would save
his job for a couple of weeks, and then they
would play poorly. Then they hit a five game stretch
where they played pretty well. But they can't go through
this anymore. And if Cousins isn't gonna give them offense
with the weapons that they have on this team, Bijon
Robinson's turns into a bleeping superstar in the last seven weeks. Right,

(37:15):
you have Drake LUNs, one of the top receivers in
the NFL. Right, turn Ray Ray McLeod into a big weapon. Right,
they have guys, They got dudes, man, and you are
struggling when you should be running away with this division
because offensively, you're the most talented team in the division.
I tell Kirk Cutt you have this week or it's
Michael Pennock Junior, because the desire to see him is
gonna be so great and you need some kind of spark.

(37:39):
And that's the biggest thing. When you get to a
month out of the end of the season, the worst
thing you're gonna be after this week is a game
out of first place. If you don't play well, you
get a month left and trying to get Kirk Cousins
to come back and get back to being Kirk Cousins.
You can't sit there and wait for that to happen.
You need to spark the last month of the season.
If Kirk Cousins doesn't do it this week, I go
to Michael Pennock Junior for the last month of the

(38:00):
season and Kirk Cousins doesn't see the field again. If
nothing else, he's got the revenge game. He's on the
road at Minnesota. The biggest thing for this one, obviously,
the Chargers defense has been fit fantastic all year long,
and they come up with a huge effort. But this
is coming out of a bye week, right after an
embarrassing loss to Denver, a thirty eight to six shellacking

(38:22):
the week before, tough loss in Division at New Orleans
twenty seventeen final. But you've got zero touchdown six picks
the last three weeks. So even with all those weapons,
don't forget Darnell Mooney and Kyle Pitts. So you've got
guys all over the field that at times have made
big plays. To your point, you had that five week
stretch where you're scoring twenty six plus a game right

(38:45):
five out of six weeks where the offense came alive,
and just like that, it turtled. Now, his lack of
mobility has been an issue. The offensive line has let
him down at times, but he's just putting the ball
in harm's way and you're not getting away with it
like he used to. You still think your arm you
can throw through anything. How many guys we watched at

(39:05):
the ends of their careers where it's just that quarter second,
just a little too slow on the release and that
read and the defensive backs guess guess what, they're younger
and faster on that recovery. So you got this game
on the road at Minnesota, and then the final four
at Las Vegas, then the Giants, then at Washington, and

(39:27):
then against the plucky, upstart Carolina Panthers in Week eighteen.
You're not going to get a better four game stretch
to get Michael Pennix Junior into the NSC. Seems like
if you're looking for a spark, there's your opportunity to
get a little bit of juice against some pretty bad defense,
as long as he can avoid Max Crosby, because that
would you know, there's your welcome to the NFL moment

(39:47):
right now. But that's I'm pretty sure he can. I'm
pretty sure you'll be able to see him coming, that's
for sure. But uh, it's it's it's not that Kirk
Cousins is so bad. It's just you know that it's
ending for him after the year in Atlanta already. And
you also want to protect your draft asset or your
your trade asset because you're gonna trade him in that contract. Yeah,
he's got one more year. If he has another another

(40:10):
four weeks of sucking, it's gonna make it even harder
to trade him in the offseason. That's why you got
one more game and you go to Michael Pennix Junior
you get a spark, you protect your trade asset, and
you give the team something they need going to the
last month. But can he have a huge game against
his former team, to have a how do you like me?
Moments like this is it one chance? This is your
last chance, your last shot coming going to Detroit. Why

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