December 3, 2024 • 39 mins
Jason and Mike tell you how Jameis Winston cemented himself as the Browns starting QB moving forward as they recap the greatest bad Monday Night Football game of all-time!!!
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Quick update from Monday night football field goal on the
board for the Broncos. They now lead it over the
Browns thirty one to twenty five. Fourth quarter, just underway.
(00:59):
Jamis Win was just sacked. I think he lost seventy
seven yards on the play, had his helmet knocked off.
He's not happy. He's barking at the officials. So this
game has been way more entertaining than anybody thought it
was going to be coming in tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
How does he not get the call?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Right, he's getting wrapped up and another guy comes in
and grats some helmet to helmet. Oh yeah, yeah, I
mean I know he's Jameis Winston. That that would be
someone's response. Ha ha, No, he's a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah no, and he got lit up while he's being
held the listen.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
The Browns will get a letter in the mail on
Wednesday saying, hey, our fault.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We missed that. Guys.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I know it maybe affected the game and potentially could
have swung the game in your favorite Hey, but you
know we missed it. It's okay, but Benito had him
wrapped up and happy holiday because Benito was the guy
that got him earlier with.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The interception returner.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
And Cooper comes in and hits some helmet to helmet
and it's not called, and you look the the you
know it's I could see the officials saying the quarterback
was falling and he went in to hit him. But
still it's helmet to helmet. These are the these are
the plays you're trying to get rid of in the NFL.
That's the thing is that this is the when you
see that play, you go, yeah, that's a play we're
trying to get out of the NFL, and instead it
(02:09):
just doesn't get caught. Well, especially because you've had twenty
four hours of the debate of the Trevor Lawrence hit. Right,
we'll talk about here momentarily not to you know, spoiler alert,
but it's just the idea of all right, if we're
going to talk about slides and the you know, the
margin of error when it comes to those hits, this
one's fairly egregious. I mean, there's no there's no attempt
(02:30):
to try to change your trajectory and came right in
on him. It's like, well, what did his head move
about six inches as he's starting to go down, Not
enough to where it's anywhere close to like, all right,
it's a glat you know, glancing blow. No, no, no,
there's full They'll call a perfect form tackle by the
defensive by the defensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
They'll throw a flag on that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But this, yeah, that's how we make Hey, you landed
on the guys. So I was checking my fantasy stats
because boy, Jerry Judy's having a great game and I
was I missed that.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I just missed it. But like we see the.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Roughing call all the time, right where you hit the
guy and too much of your body is still on
top of the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So that's a pedalty this, But.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I'll let your face mask to face mask and not
keeping the flag in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He's going like he lost a two thought hit or something.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I have the I have the Broncos defense in fantasy
and it's it's it's it's one of those nights, okay,
So just I'm just gonna look the other way on him. Yeah,
we'll have more on this game come up again. A
ton of time left here, still thirteen minutes left to go,
thirty one, thirty one, twenty five lead for the Broncos. Meanwhile,
you mentioned Trevor Lawrence, who the good news today. Resting
at home. He and his wife put out a statement
(03:37):
thank you for all your thoughts after the after the
the horrible hit yesterday that sparked a brawl during the game. Uh,
it's good that Trevor Lawrence seems like he's gonna be okay,
and he was clapping back and people on Twitter, so
at least the Twitter fakers were good good. I mean,
you'll wait to be a good role model for your son,
all those kind of things. And it's and it's crazy
because I'm watching CJ. Strode after the game saying, oh,
(03:58):
his intent wasn't to go in and hit that way.
I'm like, come on, man, just the forum shiver wasn't
there If you didn't see the play.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Just say you didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Don't blindly have somebody's but I got your back now,
I look stupid, is what happened? You look stupid in that.
But the thing about Trevor Lawrence and think about this,
because this is I put this probability really, really high
that he's probably played his last down as quarterback for
Jacksonville for a couple of reasons. After a scary hit
like this. There's the health part of it. What are
you bringing them back for? It's a lost season anyway,
(04:28):
You've won two games. Do you really need him the
last five weeks? With a scary hit like that?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Do you really need him? Right? Matt Jones? Will you
got Matt Jones to play?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And it's not like you're you're throwing a guy out
there that's never played in the other you know, the
other fifty plus guys in the locker room. We're going,
oh man, we're just mailing the rest of the season. No,
you have a quarterback that can come in that is
start in the league, has played pretty well at times.
Uh okay, but the safety thing for Trevor Lawrence. But
you know, unfortunately, the business part of the NFL comes
into this is that what are you gonna do in
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the offseas? Because the Jaguars gave Trevor Lawrence. We talked
about the money that he got, and he got way
too much money for the level of quarterback that he is.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And you are.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Seeing that the Jaguars aren't close to anything, right, They're
not close to anything, and they're due all this money
to Trevor Lawrence. So can you still go forward and
think this is gonna be it?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Like Lawrence is, he's a middle of the pack NFL quarterback. Right,
So you're looking at your future and saying, what are
we gonna do? How do you get how do you
try to restart the franchis you're gonna have a really
high draft pick again, maybe you're picking first overall, depending
on how the rest of the season goes. You know,
you're gonna Maybe you're getting Shedeur Sanders. Maybe you're getting
cam Ward, although.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Not after the last week gets sirih kid enough.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But maybe you're getting cam Ward. But the we talked
about the overall market for quarterbacks in the NFL this offseason.
Right now, Sam Darnold is the best free agent quarterback
that's out there, and he's starting to come back to
earth a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Maybe Kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins will be available.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
How much do you want to go in for Kirk
Cousins and the rest of his salary from the four
year daily signed. Yes, Trevor Lawrence has doing a lot
of money. But he's a young quarterback and if the
team says, well, maybe we're the team that can unleash him.
We've seen guys it takes a while for them to
really hit their potential. Guys like Geno Smith, Guys like
Sam Darnold. Hey, this doesn't mean that Trevor Lawrence is
never gonna get it. Maybe he just needs a change,
(06:21):
He needs a different kind of offense and he can
hit the potential that he had four years ago. And
there would be a lot of interest in Trevor Lawrence
because of that. We know the money that's doing our quarterback.
We know what's gonna happen. We know where we're at
going forward, and look in a couple of years, Hey,
the money they're paying Trevor Lawrence. People are gonna go
past that and Lawrence's contract to be more in line
with where he's at. But right now it seems like
(06:42):
it's an outlier. So if you're the Jaguars, I don't
know what you have to gain by playing Trevor Lawrence
number one from a safety perspective and number two from perspective,
what are you gonna do after the season, Because there's
gonna be a lot of teams are gonna say, yeah,
we'll see if it works with Trevor Lawrence. The Jets
will probably be a team that jumps in in the
mix for Trevor Lawrence. Other teams say yes, we'll be
in the mix for Trevor Lawrence. There's probably five or
(07:05):
six teams that are gonna say, hmm, go get a
guy in the offseason or wait for the draft. Not
a lot of guys in the draft, So who are
we gonna go overboard to get when you are the
best guy that could potentially be available? And Lawrence would
be the best quarterback potentially available on a down market.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You have to I think you have to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You have to find some way to hit reset for
your franchise. Like I said, I don't know that we
haven't seen him play his final game as a member
of the Jaguars. Yeah. As a plus side the way
his contract is structured, and again we take it with
a grain of salt, right, you know, as many details
as leak out, but going to spot track and looking
at that, they don't really get on the hook for heavy,
(07:44):
heavy money for another couple of years. So that makes
him more attractive a to stay in Jacksonville, but certainly
to a sooner. The other is, I mean, Jed Balkey
has done a terrible job. So as much as you
want to talk about like look, whenever a guy gets
paid god black, right, they just signed their left tackle
do an extension. So the expectation would be, all right,
(08:04):
you've got him and then you have Trevor Lawrence. So
you have the guy that's gonna protected blonde side, and
you have him, You've got a couple of running backs
that are Jags, right, Etn is not the guy you
hope he would be Tank Bigsby is better than his
draft position, but that's not saying much. Right, He's again
just a guy. Your wide receivers. Christian Kirk gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He was the one guy.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Second year that he's got hurt. And Ingram's been been great.
But beyond that, your your wide receivers, you've swung and
missed repeatedly. It looks like you've got a guy in Thomas, right,
so there's a star to build from. So all right,
we've got a couple of building blocks, but you don't
have the right coach like that guy had his one
shining moment a couple of years ago. He's a jag.
He's he's better than urban Meyer. That that's actually honest,
(08:54):
the front door to his office better than Urban mind.
That better than Urban mind, but marginally right, they're they're
sputtering there. I don't know, man, urban Meyer was really no,
it was this particular fly vstacular fan. You don't have
to be you don't have to be great to be
better than you just have to just walk in and say, hey,
I'm not having an open mutiny against me way back. Yeah,
(09:16):
I'm just gonna smile and I'm just gonna you know that.
That's as much as I'll say on Urban Meyer. I've
had my my my thoughts are in the archives. There's
plenty of podcasts about a lot of things related to
that tenure, and I think the arc as a whole.
But when it comes down to it, Trent Balkey's done
a pretty shoddy job of putting this squad together. Uh
(09:37):
and so around Trevor Lawrence, you know you don't have
a lot. No, Brian Thomas, there's the guy. We've got
a giant flag that we can hold up for him.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That guy's really good. Look everything else, Let's let's shuffle
up and deal.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And I guarantee you that Jets would be at the
front of any deal for Trevor Lawrence, the guy they
wanted to get three years ago, but they could four
years ago, but they couldn't get him. They be at
the front because look, because quite honestly, the biggest thing
coming up. Look, we've seen the tire fire that the
Jets have been. The loss of the Seahawks yesterday was
just terrible. Was fill of every thing the Jets losses
have had for the past forty years, really terrible play,
(10:13):
bad mistakes and penalties and a former player on the
team having a big game in his return, but watching
how things have unfolded, I now if you said to
me what the future is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We talked about it a few weeks ago with Aaron Rodgers. Hayes.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
He's gonna try to stick around for another year. He
knows it's the Jets or nobody, right, we did this
a couple weeks That's why we're ahead of the curve.
He knows that the Jets are nobody. So whatever the
Jets are doing to him, however, he feels like he
knows nobody else is coming to get him. But after
yesterday and after coming back with off the buy, I
feel the best I have. And Rogers gives you another
game where he's under two hundred yards passing and he
(10:49):
still looks skittish in the pocket and he can't throw
the ball deep. He knows And there was the big
talk after the game yesterday. Jeff Ulbrick, the Jets head coach,
was said, Yeah, we're gonna look and see who's the quarterback?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
WHOA what mean?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We're gonna look at the quarterback situation Like Rogers is
like could get benched and they made the decision they're
sticking with him for next week. And Rogers actually gave
a statement where he said, hey, if that's where they're thinking,
you know that. Hey, I understand Jet. We'll have a
conversation about it. He knows the end is coming. He
knows that this I think after yesterday, Aaron Rodgers knows
(11:20):
this is his last year in the NFL. That's why
that's the big thing coming. Yes, we've seen the Jets
lose it, but Rogers, after Yesterda, just seeing the way
he talked, seeing the way he is coming off this,
he knows this is it. And I guarantee you by Christmas,
he will announce this is my final year in the NFL.
And they'll figure out whatever money they owe in for
next year, but this is gonna be it. This is
his last year, and he will announce it this is
(11:41):
the final year, and have a couple of weeks of
a goodbye because I can't because the Jets aren't going
to bring him back and nobody else is going to
get him. And so when that happens, he's gonna have
to beat everybody to the punch. He's not gonna be
someone that gets cut, gets waived. That doesn't happen for
Aaron Rodgers. He's always big. Hey, I'm up, I say
what I want, I'm smug, I'm X one. So sometime
(12:02):
by Christmas, right before Christmas, the holiday season, he will say,
this is it. I'm playing two more games. I'm gonna
give the Jets all I have. I'm sorry it didn't
work out better, but I'm excited to be here the
locker room of the guys one more time because he
knows after yesterday, he knows this is it for him. Yeah,
Week fifteen there at Jacksonville, So you got that going
for you. They got two games left against Miami, the
road game this week, and then the season finale. Then
(12:25):
you've got a game against the Rams and a road
game against Buffalo week seventeen. But yeah, I think the
Trevor Lawrence contract keeps him in Jacksonville and everybody else
gets blown out, anybody else you and get rid of.
So ok, he's gone, Peterson's gone. Trevor Lawrence doesn't play
another down this year. So it's like it's the end
of Mary Tyler Moore where instead of Ted getting fired,
(12:47):
everybody gets fired except for Ted.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sorry spoiler alert, I got Now I'm gonna play the millennials.
What Mary Poore was? Okay, who was it? There's a statue.
Go see the statue.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
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Speaker 2 (13:00):
We got to tell you this.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Broncos thirty one to twenty five over the Browns nine
minutes ago in the fourth quarter. Jamis Winston is up
to four hundred and forty one yards passing. Jerry Judy
is eight catches for two hundred and nineteen yards and
a touchdown. Hopefully you started him and now Jamo just
gave you a touchdown pass.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Jamis is gonna throw for five hundred yards tonight in
this game. Let's go. So we'll have more on this
coming up next.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
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that is both incredible and scary. Oh, we got that
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Speaker 2 (13:40):
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Speaker 1 (13:51):
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Speaker 2 (13:57):
Harmys Dad Thanksgiving do the Mean Girls one?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, I'll tell you one of my favorite parts of
the holiday season and is is the the I would
say depths to which Alex Tyshert goes to find Christmas
and holidays.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, some of his remixes are really the best.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Like Yeah, I've had people ask me going, hey, when
are you gonna kill When do you start start playing
the Christopher Lee holiday songs again? I go probably on Monday, Monday.
Probably on Monday, it's gonna happen. We're gonna get Christmas.
I'm gonna go with That was the least hardest song
to ever find. Well, sometimes the most obvious things hide
in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Save him for the week off.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, Grinch, all right, Grinch Frossberg, they you go very nice. Hey,
we'll get into say kuon Barkley in a second. But
there's something happening right now. With five and a half
to go in the fourth quarter, the Broncos now trail
the Browns thirty two to thirty one. Jamis Winston through
another touchdown. He's got four tonight. He has four hundred
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and forty six yards passing. Is that good depending on
where on how the rest of this game goes. If
the Broncos score and they get a two point conversion
and the Browns drive down again, Jameis Winston is about
one hundred yards away from breaking the all time record
for most yards passing in a game in NFL history.
(15:18):
Right now, Norm Van Brocklin has the overall record pre
super Bowler with five hundred and fifty four. But you
had Matt shaub five Pot twenty seven, who just did
it back in twenty twelve. So Jameis Winston at four
forty six, he is one long drive away from potentially
getting clipped gett getting I mean he's won Jerry Judy
(15:38):
pass away because Judy, he's got two hundred yards receiving tonight.
If if this, if this game goes to overtime, he's
probably gonna do it. But he needs a game to
go to overtime at this point because still at four
forty six, let's say he throws for sixty yards, he's
probably just shy. If Matt shaub Uh finished up. But
if they go to overtime, the Broncos score, here, drive
down and go to overtime. Hey, Jamis had a chance
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with the fifty yards in overtime and he could set
that all time record for yards passing in the game.
This gime has been jamous Winston. What a time to
be alive slaying it. I just sent you in justin
his pregame speech where he included the you know what
time it is?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Du dun dun duh.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Actually making the noise, which is pretty cool. That's a
great pregame speech. But he's got huge numbers. We were
laughing out because you had Marvin Mins, who once upon
a time fantasy hero a ninety three yard reception coming
into the game, one hundred and sixty yards in a
score on the Ears.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So all of this to say, the over under was
forty two and a half.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Shooty over two hundred for the Browns. Can you name
the three other times it's happened. He's only the fourth
Browns player ever to go two hundred. Oh, I gotta say,
Josh Gordon, okay that he did it twice. Braylan Edwards,
Oh was it Braylan no? Ozzie Newsom no see.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I was trying to go to that two thousand and
seven year where Derek Anderson would just say.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's why I said, I'll never get it. It's so obvious.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I'll never We've got Josh Gordon twice, and there's two
other guys, one other guy, one other guy.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Odell. Oh was it Odell?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That was good? Guess though, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I'm trying to think of other guys that were relevant
Webster Slaughter. Oh, this guy's still relevant Webster Slaughter. He's
still Amari Cooper.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
There you go, Oh, very nice, There we go. I
said he's relevant to you, and I I said, there's
no question you and I. He explained to millennials who
Webster Slaughter.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And obviously you know Cooper comes into the play because
he was such a big deal last night, which gets
us to our next conversation. Now, look, and we'll have
more on this game coming up again. About four minutes
left to go. The Broncos are driving. We'll keep you
updated here again. Thirty two thirty one, The Browns with
the lead. So with Josh Allen's big game last night,
the the improvised hook and ladder play, diving into the
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end zone the pick because it was a great picture.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The MVP race is over.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Hang on a second, because there is both a great
and dark side when it comes to Saquon Barkley. Because
I look at it right now as there's two guys
for MVP, all right, If Josh Allen is your quarterback MVP,
that takes that takes care of everybody else, right If
he's if he's your quarterback MVP, and rightfully so, then
then everybody else is out. That's what I've been arguing
in the last couple of weeks, right that it was
(18:12):
a two man race scene. And I love the Lamar
Jackson stuff again, justin Tucker has taken him out of
the MVP conversation, which is here a couple of you're
eight and five, okay, Like whenever we do these things,
wins and losses matter, so especially on a year in
which the Bills didn't add any weapons, there was no
expectation here and and with with Hey, with for Lamar Jackson,
(18:34):
We're gonna go get you. Don deontaey Johnson, who can't
even stay on the field, might be on the team.
You didn't get him Derrick Henry, but he's stayed healthy
unlike the past running backs there.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But if so, if Josh Allen's your guy. I get it.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But Saquon Barkley And here's the here's the great part
before you get to the terrible part. The great part
is this, Saquon Barkley is already at fifteen hundred yards
and you got the extra game, so obviously he's got
to do it in Week six.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Team.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
But if Saquon Barkley breaks Eric Dickerson's all time rushing record,
guess what he's the MVP and guess what he and
by the way, and guess what he is on pace
to do that? He is onto He needs six He
needs six hundred yards in the next four games. That
is completely doable for Saquon Barkley. And yes, the Eagles
(19:21):
are gonna be fighting for home field. They don't want to.
You don't want to go to Detroit and to play
that NFC championship game. You do not want to go
play there, Wroit to come play in your field, right,
Bears losing that game, it's good for your argument because
now they have to keep playing, so you need.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You can't sit him down.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yes, you're gonna clinch the division because Washington is starting
to come back to earth a little bit as well.
But you want, you don't want to play your It's
a super Bowl year now for the Eagles. You figured
out your is right. We talked about this months ago. Hey,
Saquon Barkley has become the identity of this team and
when not on And that's why the case for MVP
for Barkley is so great because it's.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
He came in and transformed this team.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Like Josh it's been great and he's been but he
came in to a situation in which we thought the
coach was going to get fired, the quarterback couldn't get along,
they didn't look like they wanted to play it all.
And now here comes Saquon Barkley and he's the unifying
factor of this entire Eagle But they won forty five.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Games in a row.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
But the argument against them was the fact that they
were everybody's been able to run the ball, gain well, Boston, Scott,
you name it. They've been able to win games. Sure well,
why not Webster Slaughter. Let's bring those guys into the time.
I got Charlie Banter to.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He love a career for Charlie Garter.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
By the way, we'll get a Raiders conversation, so we
get it in there too, so you can check that box.
But the Eagles, we anticipated that they would win the division.
Now would they be curb stomping all of these teams
along the way. No, I didn't think we necessarily see
that big dramatic win this week against Baltimore. But all
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that to say, we had expectations for that squad, right,
and I think that's where we kind of get to.
But when you get to a point of he can
break the all time run not a great hey, eighteen
hundred season, break the all time rushing record.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I mean when you can do that, I don't I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I don't care what you're doing as a cod unless
you're breaking the all time record for touchdown passes uh
or yardage in a season.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, you gotta did, say kwon Barker.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I have to cheer against him though, because Eric Dickerson,
friend of the show, really helped launch us. He did.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
But I think I'm still waiting on my Super Bowl
ring yet, and we got.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
To get Yeah, but Barker, he'll give you his He's
on he's on pace for that, and it's it's it's
a it's one hundred and twenty five yards a week.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
He can do it.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, let's have some fact that he's gonna play the
rest of the way, because you really, I mean, you
don't want to play in Detroit. You want the look
the Lions can play in any weather. I think we've
seen that. But they are absolutely unbeatable at home. It's
like it's like me walking around my living room when
I watch the Lions play at home at fourty here.
But here's the thing looking at the Lions going forward
right is you watched the Tale of two halves against
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the Bears. The attrition on defense cannot be understated at
this point because you watch the Bears march the ball
all over the place. If they had a little bit
of clock management, they win that game, and my big
bold upset prediction would have come true, thinking that this
was where they stubbed their toe. Instead, Bears didn't show
up for a half a football and still almost got them.
(22:26):
But they lost three more out of their defensive line rotation.
And we'll see what the long lingering effects of that
are for your Eagles and your Saquon Barkley case. This
week Carolina, then a home games against Carolina and Pittsburgh
road game against Washington, then games against Dallas. Oh look,
(22:47):
the giants ending the satage.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Will have quit by the end with that quit already,
that will have quit.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
But what the cowboys have shown, like the last couple
of weeks man guy, but they're fighting for their coats.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
They love their coast.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Shai Kwan, Barkley's doing this against that everybody. So it
really it doesn't mean it's not like you would say, oh,
he's great. No, he's doing it against everybody. Barkley is
just that good. And so if he breaks this record,
which is which is what's likely gonna happen, he's he's
gonna win. I'm sorry, great, Josh Allen's been great. Give
him the offense five yard twenty one hundred and five yards,
but also for the for what he's brought, like he
(23:19):
is the uniform. He's like one of those like you know,
like you know, I like is that commercial where the uh,
what's the Postmates commercial where the girl brings her older
boyfriend who's like a shaman home and goes.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Dad, are there fees in this food?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh, our fees. You must free yourself by your fees.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
You must feel like he's like, oh, he's like that
shaman that you know, the daughter believes and everything like that.
Like like Barkley walked in and he's he's that guy
in the Eagles locker room. Everybody loves it. No one's
talking about Nick Cirianni and how in the relationship he's
got with Jalen Hurts winning that is Jalen Hurts still.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The same Quurt.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, look at Saquon Barkley. They love thes Nick Siriann.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Got yourself from your fees for your food. But he.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And I don't believe in Dad Doriander. And you've never
seen the commercial and yeah, they call they call the
guys name was Doriander. It's ever seen and I think
it's actually, uh, Danny Noonan is the dad. I'm pretty
sure it's Michael O'Keeffe in the in the commercially Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Gotta find it. It's a it's a it's a parent.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And the girl is young, she's in her twenties and
now here's this older shaming guy with a beard and
they're sitting down to eat and she goes, Dad, are
there fees in this food?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And he goes, what do you mean did you order this? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh, Doriander and I uh, we have a free, a
fee free food style. We don't eat food with fees
in it. And they're like, you know, we order from Postmates,
and then Postmates don't and then Doriander guy goes, you
must free your food from fees.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Okay, but it's I'm pretty sure it's him. Well, I
don't know. He was really good. Law and Order episodes
is a but that's a good is done?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Now, No, that's good good, But I mean you got
Syriani back to being Sirianni should be talking about how
the chuff the Ravens are.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It should be talking about how tough we are.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So he's done that. Now here's the dark side for
Barkley and the Eagles. They're gonna need to continue to
run him because they're going to want to try to
get that home field. Barkley's gonna end up north of
three hundred and fifty touches next year. Okay, three hundred
and fifty touches on this year. He has never had
(25:30):
that type of workload in a season. He's been injured. Yes,
he's a veteran, so okay, but over three hundred and
fifty carries, you need him to get you through the
playoffs and through the Lions and to the super Bowl.
He's going to run out of gas because it happens
to running backs.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Right, what was he all at? How long? It was? Hey?
Teams are the rushing champion in the NFL never win
the Super Bowl. Guess what?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Because running backs run out of gas. Doesn't matter what
kind of shape you're in when you're in week twenty
week twenty one of the NFL season, Yeah, you're gonna
your legs aren't gonna be as fresh, and they're gonna
have to use them a lot down the stretch. So
when you're gonna get to a point in the playoffs
where it's gonna be oh man, Barkley is done. Here's
a twelve carry, eighteen yard day. Oh my goodness, this
(26:16):
is awful. Hopefully Jalen Hurts get some get some time.
Hopefully Jalen Hurts can can pick things up, because well,
I'm telling you it's unavoidable. He's gonna run into the wall.
So he's gonna be the guy that you have to say, Okay,
he's got to get us to the playoffs. When we
get to the playoffs, we have to understand he's not
gonna be the same running back because eventually, again with
(26:37):
the great defenses in the winter, as we go on,
it happens to all running backs no matter where you are,
you get to game twenty in the NFL, you're not
gonna be as fresh as you need to be. And
so the Eagles have to be ready, knowing full well
that using Saquon Barkley like this, the dark side's gonna be.
If you count him to win a game for you
in the playoffs, guess what, it's not gonna happen. You're
gonna go home early. You're gonna go oh man, this
(26:57):
season was supposed to go our way and it didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I don't know what this is.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Barkley was so good, Yeah, because by the time you
get to the NFC title game or the NFC Divisional
playoff round, your running back is going to be out
of gas. Three hundred and fifty plus touches for Saquon Barkley,
that's way too much. So it's great now, and it's
awesome now when you get to the plus, when it's
winning time and you're playing that second round NFC Championship game,
suddenly Barkley looks like he's running with lead in hiss pants,
(27:23):
that's gonna be what happens.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, you're already at.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Two hundred and seventy five touches right, two forty six
on the ground, twenty nine via the air. Not the
explosiveness in the passing game as folks loved once upon
a time, And obviously if you're a fantasy owner, you're
celebrating all the yardage, but you're still salty that Jalen
Hurts screws you at the goal line.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
All that to say you're.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Averaging twenty point five rushing attempts per game. Add the
two plus reception, so twenty three touches per it's a
recipe for disaster. So a little more balance down the stretch.
As much as you love him and you can ride
it out, maybe he gets through the year, but the
residual effect usually comes back to bite you the following year.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So already we're.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Talking about Fantasy twenty twenty five and the as you
call it, the bounce that might come from there. But
it's a fun run, no question about it. The offensive
line continuity certainly helps, so you do have some of
those big explosive plays that help to offset the ludgeoning
(28:25):
that you would take in between the tackles. But all
of that is, you know, got to be judicious down
the stretch and keeping pace with Detroit because yeah, if
you can get them outside of the don't they don't
play outside very often at all, Like they've had a
pretty cushy schedule when it's all said and done for
Jared Goff, So yeah, battling the elements, it won't quite
(28:46):
be quite Tua or Brock pretty esque because they can
run the pall effectively. But yeah, the potential for chaos
is there if you can get them on your home surface.
So again it's great and it's terrible for say Kwon
Barkle this same time. Speaking of great and terrible, Hey,
that gets us to Steve de Sager, not because Steve
Disager is great and terrible, but because well we talked
(29:08):
about last hour on the show. Yes, so Jamis Winston.
Two touchdowns for my team, one touchdown for your team.
That pattern continues to follow itself.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Steve O four touchdown passes for Cleveland and two pick
six is going the other way. He's just thrown one
where granted it was the interceptor was not touched down
on the sideline, and so he got up and went
forty six yards the other way. That might be the
clinching touchdown. We got a minute forty left in this
game at Denver. The Broncos lead is now forty one
(29:36):
thirty two over Cleveland. Brown's record might be falling to
three and nine here. Winston is thirty two of fifty two,
passing four hundred and sixty yards, four touchdowns, but two
pick sixes as well.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
So that's six touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That is six total touchdowns, but only four for his
own team, and therefore trailing by nine points under two
minutes left.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
He almost threw another interception as we speak.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
In Brown's history, what quarterbacks have thrown for four hundred
yards and four touchdowns in a game. It's only two
others until tonight. Brian Sipe, Yes, nineteen eighty one, and
since then just won. Kelly Holcombe twenty years ago. Jameis
Winston has joined the list.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
That's twenty years already. That Hilly Holcomb, Wow, yeah, that
was back when they actually might be making the playoffs.
The Cleveland brow.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That Jersey right, that was when he won the job.
Or Tim Couch right, there was that big Oh Kelly
holtme Tim Couch.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Didn't they have a Kelly Holcomb versus Tommy Maddox playoff
game whenever.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, I didn't hold him throw for like three hundred
and fifty yards crazy like that.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah, we didn't expect that offense anymore than we expected
Tonight's in Denver because the Broncos were allowing under seventeen
points a game this year, second best in the NFL.
Cleveland was averaging scoring seventeen points a game. And here
we have a forty one thirty two score with Denver
in the lead a minute eight to play, and all
of this is kind of negating the night Jerry Judy had.
(31:03):
The ex Bronco back in Denver eight catches, two hundred
and nineteen yards, including a seventy yard touchdown pass early
third quarter.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Tonight's stats are better than his entire four year run.
He's caught more passes tonight than the last four years
in deadly.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You can say that about the Browns offense in general.
Judy breaks a record. This is a great one.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
The NFL research really outdid themselves on this one. Most
receiving yards against your former team in history. It's now
Jerry Judy that holds that record because it had been
Tara Owens a two hundred and thirteen yard game against
the forty nine Ers in two thousand and eight. Again,
Jerry Judy at well now up to two thirty five
(31:45):
after that last catch nine receptions for my goodness minute
ago forty one thirty two Broncos in the lead. Forty
nine Ers running back Christian McCaffrey will miss at least
six weeks with a sprain. PCL Saints tight end Taysom
Hill suffered at twenty eight cl yesterday in the NBA,
Minnesota beat the Lakers one oh nine to eighty. NHL
(32:05):
wins for New Jersey Toronto, and now Dallas has won
two to one at Utah. The Texas Ranger signed catcher
Kyle Higashioka two years plus an option back to you.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Thank you, Steve O. Now I'm trying to do the
math here, and while look, the Browns are gonna lose.
It's forty one thirty two with a minute left to go.
But the Browns are gonna throw on every play. And
so right now Jamis is at four seventy six. Yeah,
so if he goes down the field for another fifty
nine yards, okay, that would.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Break shawbs record.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Okay, so in the Super Bowl era, he would have
the most yards passing in NFL history, and you'll still
fall short of Norm Van Brocklin, but he will still
have the record if if he gets him down into
the end zone, because like I said, they're probably gonna
throw on every play.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, no, you're winging it around.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You've had a couple of drops latest off a pretty
well contested ball, but yeah, just winging it around. Fans
calling on him to beat the spread with six David
and Joku has sixteen targets tonight. Elijah Moore has fourteen,
Jerry Judy has thirteen. He's this is like a street
game when I'm just looking for the same guys every
(33:11):
single play.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yes, it's only every play.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Only it was a snow game like yesterday, you'd have
the opportunity for him to just ice his arm after
this one.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I don't I don't want to hear anymore that the
Broncos have a good defense.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Ah boy, Jamis just completes a pass out of bounds.
I believe he's up over four to ninety four to
ninety seven right now for Jamis Winston, fifty seconds left
to go. Again, he's got to get another another forty
yards and he will have that record. Jamis Winston each
(33:43):
and w's.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
All right, not eaton WS but record breaking? How crazy
would that be?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Coming up next, we will have a big breakdown of this.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Game and something that has happened tonight that is going
to change the fates of the NFL for next season.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What is it? I'll tell you next right here, Jason
and Mike Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live
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Speaker 1 (34:12):
You asked for Christopher Lee, count Dooku singing Christmas songs.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We give you Christopher Lee singing Christmas songs. Let's get
it on. Come on now, hey guys, huge question coming
off this game for you. Yeah, I hit me what
you got Frostburg? Was that the worst great game ever?
Buy a quarterback? The best bad game ever? Body?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Listen, when when you know, when when my grandkids get
old enough and they say to me, pop, can you
tell me in one game what Jameis Winston's career was like?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I would say, let me tell.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You about a Monday night way back in twenty twenty
four where Jameis Winston threw four touchdowns, two pick sixes
at almost a third through for nearly five hundred yards
and his team won. No, they lost by nine. That's
Jameis Winston. This is the most Jameis Winston game of
Jameis Winston games. This really does go to the top
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of the Wikipedia page of how would I define a career? Yes, maddening,
this is the most Jamis Winston game of all Jameis
Winston games. But you think you get out of the
bad habits and the final interception really is the punctuation
mark to it, all right, like when the other like
the second interception's falling down, it's behind the receiver, but whatever,
(35:28):
it's a good catch. He just happens to not get
touched by the way guys are falling around. He gets
somebody's able to run back to the end zone. This
is Hey, I've got first goal, I've got an opportunity
to beat the spread, and I don't even see a
guy in the right color jersey to throw it to.
So yeah, this was the maddening thing, but a perfect
(35:49):
capper to what was a crazy ass five days of football.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, oh absolutely, you know what I mean, Like if
you were going.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
To say, you know, what's the appropriate way to end
everything we saw going back to Bears Lions, the eight
overtime game in college football on Friday night, all of
that chaos on Saturday, yesterday's games that ending with the
snow and the Josh Allen stuff. Yeah, this is the
perfect way to cap that week.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
This is the look when you have Jameis Winston night
when a guy throws for four hundred and ninety seven
yards but his passer rating is eighty eight. I mean,
I didn't think that poss I beat the crap out
of that team. Yeah, yeah, but h you won by
how many?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Oh no we lost?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
No, no, no, we lost by nine, lost by nine,
not even one score. I had two pick sixes and
luckily the guy had thrown for two hundred yards. Who
was able to chase down a guy or it would
have been three pick sixes.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So that was that.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, that was my night. There, there you go, that's it.
That's me.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Jameis Winston, the most Jamis Winston of all Jameis Winston games.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
But the entire night is eight. Where is he gonna start?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
And then see the pick sixes? Hey, listen that third one.
But you want another hot Toel'll get you.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
He's another thing.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
No, no, no, Jameis Winston tonight, even though to Big
Six's four ninety seven, he has turned these receivers. Jerry
Judy is the best version of Jerry jen a lot
more same thing, David and Joku is the tight end
we thought he was gonna be three year, four years ago.
Jameis Winston has just won the brown starting quarterback job
(37:26):
for next year. You have solved your court That's the
best part for the Browns. You have solved your quarterback
quandary because you had Jamis on the roster this year,
and you had Deshaun Watson on the roster this year,
and you figured it out. Right Now, obviously, hey, you're
don't have to give Jamis some money because you're gonna
want him to start next year, but you can figure
out a way to give him the money he wants
to stay here, because obviously, when you're thirty years old,
(37:48):
thirty one years old, like Jameis Winston is, you want
to be able to say, I want to play in
a place where I know I can succeed. Why if
you're Jamis, would you risk going some play. Well, they're
gonna give me money, okay, but you've made a lot
of money in your career. You want to play. He
wants to be on the field and play. You see
the way the guy goes crazy before the games. He
wants to be on the field. He has stumbled into
(38:08):
a situation that works for him, right. This is how
it goes for quarterbacks all around the league. He has
stumbled into a situation that works really well. He's got
great chemistry with all those receivers and look Tilman two
for a few weeks as well. He wants to stay.
The Browns will want him to stay. They still have
Deshaun Watson's contract.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's done. It's done.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Jameis Winston comes into camp next year and he is
the starting quarterback and either Deshaun Watson as the backup
or they keep him away from the team. He is
the starting quarterback for next year. This changes the NFL.
It changes everything with Deshaun Watson the Browns going after quarterback.
This is a red letter night in the NFL because
Jameis Winston has won this job for twenty twenty. The
beauty of it is you're also losing enough to where
(38:47):
you'll get a nice piece of a component part either
the air apparent if you want to go that route,
or you're gonna go and find another piece for your
offensive line or another maybe add to the defense, which
you know has looked good at times this year for
Stefanski and company. I mean, look, Jamis obviously responds he
(39:09):
was doing all the pregame and halftime speeches.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
When he wasn't the starting quarterback. And you see how
the team responds.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
James, you got something to say, Yeah, yeah, let's not Yeah,
I'm not going to play today.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah I can go crazy for you here, Yeah I
got I got it for you.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
We never had any sense that Deshaun Watson was a
guy anybody was rallying for. And then you even add
dope reports, Hey, the raining coach of the year is
gonna get fired, Like, come on, they will figure out
the money, they'll figure out. Jameis Winston's your starting quarterback
next year.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's done.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
How about the NFL changes sometimes in one game one night,
it happened.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
That way here Jameis wins coming up next.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Well, it's not just about Jamis Winston, but something big
about a lot of quarterbacks this season that's next, Fox,
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Browns thirty one to twenty five. Fourth quarter, just underway.
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Jamis Win was just sacked. I think he lost seventy
seven yards on the play, had his helmet knocked off.
He's not happy. He's barking at the officials. So this
game has been way more entertaining than anybody thought it
was going to be coming in tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
How does he not get the call?
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Right, he's getting wrapped up and another guy comes in
and grats some helmet to helmet. Oh yeah, yeah, I
mean I know he's Jameis Winston. That that would be
someone's response. Ha ha, No, he's a quarterback.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yeah no, and he got lit up while he's being
held the listen.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
The Browns will get a letter in the mail on
Wednesday saying, hey, our fault.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We missed that. Guys.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I know it maybe affected the game and potentially could
have swung the game in your favorite Hey, but you
know we missed it. It's okay, but Benito had him
wrapped up and happy holiday because Benito was the guy
that got him earlier with.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
The interception returner.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
And Cooper comes in and hits some helmet to helmet
and it's not called, and you look the the you
know it's I could see the officials saying the quarterback
was falling and he went in to hit him. But
still it's helmet to helmet. These are the these are
the plays you're trying to get rid of in the NFL.
That's the thing is that this is the when you
see that play, you go, yeah, that's a play we're
trying to get out of the NFL, and instead it
(02:09):
just doesn't get caught. Well, especially because you've had twenty
four hours of the debate of the Trevor Lawrence hit. Right,
we'll talk about here momentarily not to you know, spoiler alert,
but it's just the idea of all right, if we're
going to talk about slides and the you know, the
margin of error when it comes to those hits, this
one's fairly egregious. I mean, there's no there's no attempt
(02:30):
to try to change your trajectory and came right in
on him. It's like, well, what did his head move
about six inches as he's starting to go down, Not
enough to where it's anywhere close to like, all right,
it's a glat you know, glancing blow. No, no, no,
there's full They'll call a perfect form tackle by the
defensive by the defensive lineman.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
They'll throw a flag on that.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
But this, yeah, that's how we make Hey, you landed
on the guys. So I was checking my fantasy stats
because boy, Jerry Judy's having a great game and I
was I missed that.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
I just missed it. But like we see the.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
Roughing call all the time, right where you hit the
guy and too much of your body is still on
top of the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
So that's a pedalty this, But.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I'll let your face mask to face mask and not
keeping the flag in the pocket.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
He's going like he lost a two thought hit or something.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I have the I have the Broncos defense in fantasy
and it's it's it's it's one of those nights, okay,
So just I'm just gonna look the other way on him. Yeah,
we'll have more on this game come up again. A
ton of time left here, still thirteen minutes left to go,
thirty one, thirty one, twenty five lead for the Broncos. Meanwhile,
you mentioned Trevor Lawrence, who the good news today. Resting
at home. He and his wife put out a statement
(03:37):
thank you for all your thoughts after the after the
the horrible hit yesterday that sparked a brawl during the game. Uh,
it's good that Trevor Lawrence seems like he's gonna be okay,
and he was clapping back and people on Twitter, so
at least the Twitter fakers were good good. I mean,
you'll wait to be a good role model for your son,
all those kind of things. And it's and it's crazy
because I'm watching CJ. Strode after the game saying, oh,
(03:58):
his intent wasn't to go in and hit that way.
I'm like, come on, man, just the forum shiver wasn't
there If you didn't see the play.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Just say you didn't see it.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Don't blindly have somebody's but I got your back now,
I look stupid, is what happened? You look stupid in that.
But the thing about Trevor Lawrence and think about this,
because this is I put this probability really, really high
that he's probably played his last down as quarterback for
Jacksonville for a couple of reasons. After a scary hit
like this. There's the health part of it. What are
you bringing them back for? It's a lost season anyway,
(04:28):
You've won two games. Do you really need him the
last five weeks? With a scary hit like that?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Do you really need him? Right? Matt Jones? Will you
got Matt Jones to play?
Speaker 1 (04:38):
And it's not like you're you're throwing a guy out
there that's never played in the other you know, the
other fifty plus guys in the locker room. We're going,
oh man, we're just mailing the rest of the season. No,
you have a quarterback that can come in that is
start in the league, has played pretty well at times.
Uh okay, but the safety thing for Trevor Lawrence. But
you know, unfortunately, the business part of the NFL comes
into this is that what are you gonna do in
(04:59):
the offseas? Because the Jaguars gave Trevor Lawrence. We talked
about the money that he got, and he got way
too much money for the level of quarterback that he is.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
And you are.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Seeing that the Jaguars aren't close to anything, right, They're
not close to anything, and they're due all this money
to Trevor Lawrence. So can you still go forward and
think this is gonna be it?
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Like Lawrence is, he's a middle of the pack NFL quarterback. Right,
So you're looking at your future and saying, what are
we gonna do? How do you get how do you
try to restart the franchis you're gonna have a really
high draft pick again, maybe you're picking first overall, depending
on how the rest of the season goes. You know,
you're gonna Maybe you're getting Shedeur Sanders. Maybe you're getting
cam Ward, although.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Not after the last week gets sirih kid enough.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
But maybe you're getting cam Ward. But the we talked
about the overall market for quarterbacks in the NFL this offseason.
Right now, Sam Darnold is the best free agent quarterback
that's out there, and he's starting to come back to
earth a little bit.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Maybe Kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins will be available.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
How much do you want to go in for Kirk
Cousins and the rest of his salary from the four
year daily signed. Yes, Trevor Lawrence has doing a lot
of money. But he's a young quarterback and if the
team says, well, maybe we're the team that can unleash him.
We've seen guys it takes a while for them to
really hit their potential. Guys like Geno Smith, Guys like
Sam Darnold. Hey, this doesn't mean that Trevor Lawrence is
never gonna get it. Maybe he just needs a change,
(06:21):
He needs a different kind of offense and he can
hit the potential that he had four years ago. And
there would be a lot of interest in Trevor Lawrence
because of that. We know the money that's doing our quarterback.
We know what's gonna happen. We know where we're at
going forward, and look in a couple of years, Hey,
the money they're paying Trevor Lawrence. People are gonna go
past that and Lawrence's contract to be more in line
with where he's at. But right now it seems like
(06:42):
it's an outlier. So if you're the Jaguars, I don't
know what you have to gain by playing Trevor Lawrence
number one from a safety perspective and number two from perspective,
what are you gonna do after the season, Because there's
gonna be a lot of teams are gonna say, yeah,
we'll see if it works with Trevor Lawrence. The Jets
will probably be a team that jumps in in the
mix for Trevor Lawrence. Other teams say yes, we'll be
in the mix for Trevor Lawrence. There's probably five or
(07:05):
six teams that are gonna say, hmm, go get a
guy in the offseason or wait for the draft. Not
a lot of guys in the draft, So who are
we gonna go overboard to get when you are the
best guy that could potentially be available? And Lawrence would
be the best quarterback potentially available on a down market.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
You have to I think you have to do that.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You have to find some way to hit reset for
your franchise. Like I said, I don't know that we
haven't seen him play his final game as a member
of the Jaguars. Yeah. As a plus side the way
his contract is structured, and again we take it with
a grain of salt, right, you know, as many details
as leak out, but going to spot track and looking
at that, they don't really get on the hook for heavy,
(07:44):
heavy money for another couple of years. So that makes
him more attractive a to stay in Jacksonville, but certainly
to a sooner. The other is, I mean, Jed Balkey
has done a terrible job. So as much as you
want to talk about like look, whenever a guy gets
paid god black, right, they just signed their left tackle
do an extension. So the expectation would be, all right,
(08:04):
you've got him and then you have Trevor Lawrence. So
you have the guy that's gonna protected blonde side, and
you have him, You've got a couple of running backs
that are Jags, right, Etn is not the guy you
hope he would be Tank Bigsby is better than his
draft position, but that's not saying much. Right, He's again
just a guy. Your wide receivers. Christian Kirk gets hurt.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
He was the one guy.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
Second year that he's got hurt. And Ingram's been been great.
But beyond that, your your wide receivers, you've swung and
missed repeatedly. It looks like you've got a guy in Thomas, right,
so there's a star to build from. So all right,
we've got a couple of building blocks, but you don't
have the right coach like that guy had his one
shining moment a couple of years ago. He's a jag.
He's he's better than urban Meyer. That that's actually honest,
(08:54):
the front door to his office better than Urban mind.
That better than Urban mind, but marginally right, they're they're
sputtering there. I don't know, man, urban Meyer was really no,
it was this particular fly vstacular fan. You don't have
to be you don't have to be great to be
better than you just have to just walk in and say, hey,
I'm not having an open mutiny against me way back. Yeah,
(09:16):
I'm just gonna smile and I'm just gonna you know that.
That's as much as I'll say on Urban Meyer. I've
had my my my thoughts are in the archives. There's
plenty of podcasts about a lot of things related to
that tenure, and I think the arc as a whole.
But when it comes down to it, Trent Balkey's done
a pretty shoddy job of putting this squad together. Uh
(09:37):
and so around Trevor Lawrence, you know you don't have
a lot. No, Brian Thomas, there's the guy. We've got
a giant flag that we can hold up for him.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
That guy's really good. Look everything else, Let's let's shuffle
up and deal.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And I guarantee you that Jets would be at the
front of any deal for Trevor Lawrence, the guy they
wanted to get three years ago, but they could four
years ago, but they couldn't get him. They be at
the front because look, because quite honestly, the biggest thing
coming up. Look, we've seen the tire fire that the
Jets have been. The loss of the Seahawks yesterday was
just terrible. Was fill of every thing the Jets losses
have had for the past forty years, really terrible play,
(10:13):
bad mistakes and penalties and a former player on the
team having a big game in his return, but watching
how things have unfolded, I now if you said to
me what the future is gonna be.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
We talked about it a few weeks ago with Aaron Rodgers. Hayes.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
He's gonna try to stick around for another year. He
knows it's the Jets or nobody, right, we did this
a couple weeks That's why we're ahead of the curve.
He knows that the Jets are nobody. So whatever the
Jets are doing to him, however, he feels like he
knows nobody else is coming to get him. But after
yesterday and after coming back with off the buy, I
feel the best I have. And Rogers gives you another
game where he's under two hundred yards passing and he
(10:49):
still looks skittish in the pocket and he can't throw
the ball deep. He knows And there was the big
talk after the game yesterday. Jeff Ulbrick, the Jets head coach,
was said, Yeah, we're gonna look and see who's the quarterback?
Speaker 2 (10:59):
WHOA what mean?
Speaker 1 (11:00):
We're gonna look at the quarterback situation Like Rogers is
like could get benched and they made the decision they're
sticking with him for next week. And Rogers actually gave
a statement where he said, hey, if that's where they're thinking,
you know that. Hey, I understand Jet. We'll have a
conversation about it. He knows the end is coming. He
knows that this I think after yesterday, Aaron Rodgers knows
(11:20):
this is his last year in the NFL. That's why
that's the big thing coming. Yes, we've seen the Jets
lose it, but Rogers, after Yesterda, just seeing the way
he talked, seeing the way he is coming off this,
he knows this is it. And I guarantee you by Christmas,
he will announce this is my final year in the NFL.
And they'll figure out whatever money they owe in for
next year, but this is gonna be it. This is
his last year, and he will announce it this is
(11:41):
the final year, and have a couple of weeks of
a goodbye because I can't because the Jets aren't going
to bring him back and nobody else is going to
get him. And so when that happens, he's gonna have
to beat everybody to the punch. He's not gonna be
someone that gets cut, gets waived. That doesn't happen for
Aaron Rodgers. He's always big. Hey, I'm up, I say
what I want, I'm smug, I'm X one. So sometime
(12:02):
by Christmas, right before Christmas, the holiday season, he will say,
this is it. I'm playing two more games. I'm gonna
give the Jets all I have. I'm sorry it didn't
work out better, but I'm excited to be here the
locker room of the guys one more time because he
knows after yesterday, he knows this is it for him. Yeah,
Week fifteen there at Jacksonville, So you got that going
for you. They got two games left against Miami, the
road game this week, and then the season finale. Then
(12:25):
you've got a game against the Rams and a road
game against Buffalo week seventeen. But yeah, I think the
Trevor Lawrence contract keeps him in Jacksonville and everybody else
gets blown out, anybody else you and get rid of.
So ok, he's gone, Peterson's gone. Trevor Lawrence doesn't play
another down this year. So it's like it's the end
of Mary Tyler Moore where instead of Ted getting fired,
(12:47):
everybody gets fired except for Ted.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Sorry spoiler alert, I got Now I'm gonna play the millennials.
What Mary Poore was? Okay, who was it? There's a statue.
Go see the statue.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
The Jason Smith Show with the Mike Carmen live in
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Speaker 2 (13:00):
We got to tell you this.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Broncos thirty one to twenty five over the Browns nine
minutes ago in the fourth quarter. Jamis Winston is up
to four hundred and forty one yards passing. Jerry Judy
is eight catches for two hundred and nineteen yards and
a touchdown. Hopefully you started him and now Jamo just
gave you a touchdown pass.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Jamis is gonna throw for five hundred yards tonight in
this game. Let's go. So we'll have more on this
coming up next.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
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that is both incredible and scary. Oh, we got that
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Speaker 2 (13:40):
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Speaker 1 (13:51):
What Are We doing too early for this Fox Sports
Radio the Jason smith Field with my best friend Mike.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Harmys Dad Thanksgiving do the Mean Girls one?
Speaker 1 (13:59):
Yeah, I'll tell you one of my favorite parts of
the holiday season and is is the the I would
say depths to which Alex Tyshert goes to find Christmas
and holidays.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Well, some of his remixes are really the best.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Like Yeah, I've had people ask me going, hey, when
are you gonna kill When do you start start playing
the Christopher Lee holiday songs again? I go probably on Monday, Monday.
Probably on Monday, it's gonna happen. We're gonna get Christmas.
I'm gonna go with That was the least hardest song
to ever find. Well, sometimes the most obvious things hide
in plain sight.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Save him for the week off.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Okay, Grinch, all right, Grinch Frossberg, they you go very nice. Hey,
we'll get into say kuon Barkley in a second. But
there's something happening right now. With five and a half
to go in the fourth quarter, the Broncos now trail
the Browns thirty two to thirty one. Jamis Winston through
another touchdown. He's got four tonight. He has four hundred
(14:56):
and forty six yards passing. Is that good depending on
where on how the rest of this game goes. If
the Broncos score and they get a two point conversion
and the Browns drive down again, Jameis Winston is about
one hundred yards away from breaking the all time record
for most yards passing in a game in NFL history.
(15:18):
Right now, Norm Van Brocklin has the overall record pre
super Bowler with five hundred and fifty four. But you
had Matt shaub five Pot twenty seven, who just did
it back in twenty twelve. So Jameis Winston at four
forty six, he is one long drive away from potentially
getting clipped gett getting I mean he's won Jerry Judy
(15:38):
pass away because Judy, he's got two hundred yards receiving tonight.
If if this, if this game goes to overtime, he's
probably gonna do it. But he needs a game to
go to overtime at this point because still at four
forty six, let's say he throws for sixty yards, he's
probably just shy. If Matt shaub Uh finished up. But
if they go to overtime, the Broncos score, here, drive
down and go to overtime. Hey, Jamis had a chance
(16:00):
with the fifty yards in overtime and he could set
that all time record for yards passing in the game.
This gime has been jamous Winston. What a time to
be alive slaying it. I just sent you in justin
his pregame speech where he included the you know what
time it is?
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Du dun dun duh.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Actually making the noise, which is pretty cool. That's a
great pregame speech. But he's got huge numbers. We were
laughing out because you had Marvin Mins, who once upon
a time fantasy hero a ninety three yard reception coming
into the game, one hundred and sixty yards in a
score on the Ears.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
So all of this to say, the over under was
forty two and a half.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Shooty over two hundred for the Browns. Can you name
the three other times it's happened. He's only the fourth
Browns player ever to go two hundred. Oh, I gotta say,
Josh Gordon, okay that he did it twice. Braylan Edwards,
Oh was it Braylan no? Ozzie Newsom no see.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
I was trying to go to that two thousand and
seven year where Derek Anderson would just say.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
That's why I said, I'll never get it. It's so obvious.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I'll never We've got Josh Gordon twice, and there's two
other guys, one other guy, one other guy.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Odell. Oh was it Odell?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That was good? Guess though, that was pretty good.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
I'm trying to think of other guys that were relevant
Webster Slaughter. Oh, this guy's still relevant Webster Slaughter. He's
still Amari Cooper.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
There you go, Oh, very nice, There we go. I
said he's relevant to you, and I I said, there's
no question you and I. He explained to millennials who
Webster Slaughter.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
And obviously you know Cooper comes into the play because
he was such a big deal last night, which gets
us to our next conversation. Now, look, and we'll have
more on this game coming up again. About four minutes
left to go. The Broncos are driving. We'll keep you
updated here again. Thirty two thirty one, The Browns with
the lead. So with Josh Allen's big game last night,
the the improvised hook and ladder play, diving into the
(17:47):
end zone the pick because it was a great picture.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
The MVP race is over.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Hang on a second, because there is both a great
and dark side when it comes to Saquon Barkley. Because
I look at it right now as there's two guys
for MVP, all right, If Josh Allen is your quarterback MVP,
that takes that takes care of everybody else, right If
he's if he's your quarterback MVP, and rightfully so, then
then everybody else is out. That's what I've been arguing
in the last couple of weeks, right that it was
(18:12):
a two man race scene. And I love the Lamar
Jackson stuff again, justin Tucker has taken him out of
the MVP conversation, which is here a couple of you're
eight and five, okay, Like whenever we do these things,
wins and losses matter, so especially on a year in
which the Bills didn't add any weapons, there was no
expectation here and and with with Hey, with for Lamar Jackson,
(18:34):
We're gonna go get you. Don deontaey Johnson, who can't
even stay on the field, might be on the team.
You didn't get him Derrick Henry, but he's stayed healthy
unlike the past running backs there.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
But if so, if Josh Allen's your guy. I get it.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
But Saquon Barkley And here's the here's the great part
before you get to the terrible part. The great part
is this, Saquon Barkley is already at fifteen hundred yards
and you got the extra game, so obviously he's got
to do it in Week six.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Team.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
But if Saquon Barkley breaks Eric Dickerson's all time rushing record,
guess what he's the MVP and guess what he and
by the way, and guess what he is on pace
to do that? He is onto He needs six He
needs six hundred yards in the next four games. That
is completely doable for Saquon Barkley. And yes, the Eagles
(19:21):
are gonna be fighting for home field. They don't want to.
You don't want to go to Detroit and to play
that NFC championship game. You do not want to go
play there, Wroit to come play in your field, right,
Bears losing that game, it's good for your argument because
now they have to keep playing, so you need.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
You can't sit him down.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yes, you're gonna clinch the division because Washington is starting
to come back to earth a little bit as well.
But you want, you don't want to play your It's
a super Bowl year now for the Eagles. You figured
out your is right. We talked about this months ago. Hey,
Saquon Barkley has become the identity of this team and
when not on And that's why the case for MVP
for Barkley is so great because it's.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
He came in and transformed this team.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Like Josh it's been great and he's been but he
came in to a situation in which we thought the
coach was going to get fired, the quarterback couldn't get along,
they didn't look like they wanted to play it all.
And now here comes Saquon Barkley and he's the unifying
factor of this entire Eagle But they won forty five.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Games in a row.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
But the argument against them was the fact that they
were everybody's been able to run the ball, gain well, Boston, Scott,
you name it. They've been able to win games. Sure well,
why not Webster Slaughter. Let's bring those guys into the time.
I got Charlie Banter to.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
He love a career for Charlie Garter.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
By the way, we'll get a Raiders conversation, so we
get it in there too, so you can check that box.
But the Eagles, we anticipated that they would win the division.
Now would they be curb stomping all of these teams
along the way. No, I didn't think we necessarily see
that big dramatic win this week against Baltimore. But all
(20:58):
that to say, we had expectations for that squad, right,
and I think that's where we kind of get to.
But when you get to a point of he can
break the all time run not a great hey, eighteen
hundred season, break the all time rushing record.
Speaker 2 (21:11):
I mean when you can do that, I don't I don't.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
I don't care what you're doing as a cod unless
you're breaking the all time record for touchdown passes uh
or yardage in a season.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Yeah, you gotta did, say kwon Barker.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I have to cheer against him though, because Eric Dickerson,
friend of the show, really helped launch us. He did.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
But I think I'm still waiting on my Super Bowl
ring yet, and we got.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
To get Yeah, but Barker, he'll give you his He's
on he's on pace for that, and it's it's it's
a it's one hundred and twenty five yards a week.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
He can do it.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Well, let's have some fact that he's gonna play the
rest of the way, because you really, I mean, you
don't want to play in Detroit. You want the look
the Lions can play in any weather. I think we've
seen that. But they are absolutely unbeatable at home. It's
like it's like me walking around my living room when
I watch the Lions play at home at fourty here.
But here's the thing looking at the Lions going forward
right is you watched the Tale of two halves against
(22:04):
the Bears. The attrition on defense cannot be understated at
this point because you watch the Bears march the ball
all over the place. If they had a little bit
of clock management, they win that game, and my big
bold upset prediction would have come true, thinking that this
was where they stubbed their toe. Instead, Bears didn't show
up for a half a football and still almost got them.
(22:26):
But they lost three more out of their defensive line rotation.
And we'll see what the long lingering effects of that
are for your Eagles and your Saquon Barkley case. This
week Carolina, then a home games against Carolina and Pittsburgh
road game against Washington, then games against Dallas. Oh look,
(22:47):
the giants ending the satage.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Will have quit by the end with that quit already,
that will have quit.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
But what the cowboys have shown, like the last couple
of weeks man guy, but they're fighting for their coats.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
They love their coast.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Shai Kwan, Barkley's doing this against that everybody. So it
really it doesn't mean it's not like you would say, oh,
he's great. No, he's doing it against everybody. Barkley is
just that good. And so if he breaks this record,
which is which is what's likely gonna happen, he's he's
gonna win. I'm sorry, great, Josh Allen's been great. Give
him the offense five yard twenty one hundred and five yards,
but also for the for what he's brought, like he
(23:19):
is the uniform. He's like one of those like you know,
like you know, I like is that commercial where the uh,
what's the Postmates commercial where the girl brings her older
boyfriend who's like a shaman home and goes.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Dad, are there fees in this food?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
No?
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Oh, our fees. You must free yourself by your fees.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
You must feel like he's like, oh, he's like that
shaman that you know, the daughter believes and everything like that.
Like like Barkley walked in and he's he's that guy
in the Eagles locker room. Everybody loves it. No one's
talking about Nick Cirianni and how in the relationship he's
got with Jalen Hurts winning that is Jalen Hurts still.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
The same Quurt.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
No, look at Saquon Barkley. They love thes Nick Siriann.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Got yourself from your fees for your food. But he.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
And I don't believe in Dad Doriander. And you've never
seen the commercial and yeah, they call they call the
guys name was Doriander. It's ever seen and I think
it's actually, uh, Danny Noonan is the dad. I'm pretty
sure it's Michael O'Keeffe in the in the commercially Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Gotta find it. It's a it's a it's a parent.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
And the girl is young, she's in her twenties and
now here's this older shaming guy with a beard and
they're sitting down to eat and she goes, Dad, are
there fees in this food?
Speaker 2 (24:26):
And he goes, what do you mean did you order this? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:29):
Oh, Doriander and I uh, we have a free, a
fee free food style. We don't eat food with fees
in it. And they're like, you know, we order from Postmates,
and then Postmates don't and then Doriander guy goes, you
must free your food from fees.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Okay, but it's I'm pretty sure it's him. Well, I
don't know. He was really good. Law and Order episodes
is a but that's a good is done?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Now, No, that's good good, But I mean you got
Syriani back to being Sirianni should be talking about how
the chuff the Ravens are.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
It should be talking about how tough we are.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
So he's done that. Now here's the dark side for
Barkley and the Eagles. They're gonna need to continue to
run him because they're going to want to try to
get that home field. Barkley's gonna end up north of
three hundred and fifty touches next year. Okay, three hundred
and fifty touches on this year. He has never had
(25:30):
that type of workload in a season. He's been injured. Yes,
he's a veteran, so okay, but over three hundred and
fifty carries, you need him to get you through the
playoffs and through the Lions and to the super Bowl.
He's going to run out of gas because it happens
to running backs.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Right, what was he all at? How long? It was? Hey?
Teams are the rushing champion in the NFL never win
the Super Bowl. Guess what?
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Because running backs run out of gas. Doesn't matter what
kind of shape you're in when you're in week twenty
week twenty one of the NFL season, Yeah, you're gonna
your legs aren't gonna be as fresh, and they're gonna
have to use them a lot down the stretch. So
when you're gonna get to a point in the playoffs
where it's gonna be oh man, Barkley is done. Here's
a twelve carry, eighteen yard day. Oh my goodness, this
(26:16):
is awful. Hopefully Jalen Hurts get some get some time.
Hopefully Jalen Hurts can can pick things up, because well,
I'm telling you it's unavoidable. He's gonna run into the wall.
So he's gonna be the guy that you have to say, Okay,
he's got to get us to the playoffs. When we
get to the playoffs, we have to understand he's not
gonna be the same running back because eventually, again with
(26:37):
the great defenses in the winter, as we go on,
it happens to all running backs no matter where you are,
you get to game twenty in the NFL, you're not
gonna be as fresh as you need to be. And
so the Eagles have to be ready, knowing full well
that using Saquon Barkley like this, the dark side's gonna be.
If you count him to win a game for you
in the playoffs, guess what, it's not gonna happen. You're
gonna go home early. You're gonna go oh man, this
(26:57):
season was supposed to go our way and it didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
I don't know what this is.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Barkley was so good, Yeah, because by the time you
get to the NFC title game or the NFC Divisional
playoff round, your running back is going to be out
of gas. Three hundred and fifty plus touches for Saquon Barkley,
that's way too much. So it's great now, and it's
awesome now when you get to the plus, when it's
winning time and you're playing that second round NFC Championship game,
suddenly Barkley looks like he's running with lead in hiss pants,
(27:23):
that's gonna be what happens.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, you're already at.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Two hundred and seventy five touches right, two forty six
on the ground, twenty nine via the air. Not the
explosiveness in the passing game as folks loved once upon
a time, And obviously if you're a fantasy owner, you're
celebrating all the yardage, but you're still salty that Jalen
Hurts screws you at the goal line.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
All that to say you're.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Averaging twenty point five rushing attempts per game. Add the
two plus reception, so twenty three touches per it's a
recipe for disaster. So a little more balance down the stretch.
As much as you love him and you can ride
it out, maybe he gets through the year, but the
residual effect usually comes back to bite you the following year.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
So already we're.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Talking about Fantasy twenty twenty five and the as you
call it, the bounce that might come from there. But
it's a fun run, no question about it. The offensive
line continuity certainly helps, so you do have some of
those big explosive plays that help to offset the ludgeoning
(28:25):
that you would take in between the tackles. But all
of that is, you know, got to be judicious down
the stretch and keeping pace with Detroit because yeah, if
you can get them outside of the don't they don't
play outside very often at all, Like they've had a
pretty cushy schedule when it's all said and done for
Jared Goff, So yeah, battling the elements, it won't quite
(28:46):
be quite Tua or Brock pretty esque because they can
run the pall effectively. But yeah, the potential for chaos
is there if you can get them on your home surface.
So again it's great and it's terrible for say Kwon
Barkle this same time. Speaking of great and terrible, Hey,
that gets us to Steve de Sager, not because Steve
Disager is great and terrible, but because well we talked
(29:08):
about last hour on the show. Yes, so Jamis Winston.
Two touchdowns for my team, one touchdown for your team.
That pattern continues to follow itself.
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Steve O four touchdown passes for Cleveland and two pick
six is going the other way. He's just thrown one
where granted it was the interceptor was not touched down
on the sideline, and so he got up and went
forty six yards the other way. That might be the
clinching touchdown. We got a minute forty left in this
game at Denver. The Broncos lead is now forty one
(29:36):
thirty two over Cleveland. Brown's record might be falling to
three and nine here. Winston is thirty two of fifty two,
passing four hundred and sixty yards, four touchdowns, but two
pick sixes as well.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
So that's six touchdowns.
Speaker 4 (29:51):
That is six total touchdowns, but only four for his
own team, and therefore trailing by nine points under two
minutes left.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
He almost threw another interception as we speak.
Speaker 4 (30:01):
In Brown's history, what quarterbacks have thrown for four hundred
yards and four touchdowns in a game. It's only two
others until tonight. Brian Sipe, Yes, nineteen eighty one, and
since then just won. Kelly Holcombe twenty years ago. Jameis
Winston has joined the list.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
That's twenty years already. That Hilly Holcomb, Wow, yeah, that
was back when they actually might be making the playoffs.
The Cleveland brow.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
That Jersey right, that was when he won the job.
Or Tim Couch right, there was that big Oh Kelly
holtme Tim Couch.
Speaker 4 (30:33):
Didn't they have a Kelly Holcomb versus Tommy Maddox playoff
game whenever.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Yeah, I didn't hold him throw for like three hundred
and fifty yards crazy like that.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Yeah, we didn't expect that offense anymore than we expected
Tonight's in Denver because the Broncos were allowing under seventeen
points a game this year, second best in the NFL.
Cleveland was averaging scoring seventeen points a game. And here
we have a forty one thirty two score with Denver
in the lead a minute eight to play, and all
of this is kind of negating the night Jerry Judy had.
(31:03):
The ex Bronco back in Denver eight catches, two hundred
and nineteen yards, including a seventy yard touchdown pass early
third quarter.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Tonight's stats are better than his entire four year run.
He's caught more passes tonight than the last four years
in deadly.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
You can say that about the Browns offense in general.
Judy breaks a record. This is a great one.
Speaker 4 (31:25):
The NFL research really outdid themselves on this one. Most
receiving yards against your former team in history. It's now
Jerry Judy that holds that record because it had been
Tara Owens a two hundred and thirteen yard game against
the forty nine Ers in two thousand and eight. Again,
Jerry Judy at well now up to two thirty five
(31:45):
after that last catch nine receptions for my goodness minute
ago forty one thirty two Broncos in the lead. Forty
nine Ers running back Christian McCaffrey will miss at least
six weeks with a sprain. PCL Saints tight end Taysom
Hill suffered at twenty eight cl yesterday in the NBA,
Minnesota beat the Lakers one oh nine to eighty. NHL
(32:05):
wins for New Jersey Toronto, and now Dallas has won
two to one at Utah. The Texas Ranger signed catcher
Kyle Higashioka two years plus an option back to you.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Thank you, Steve O. Now I'm trying to do the
math here, and while look, the Browns are gonna lose.
It's forty one thirty two with a minute left to go.
But the Browns are gonna throw on every play. And
so right now Jamis is at four seventy six. Yeah,
so if he goes down the field for another fifty
nine yards, okay, that would.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Break shawbs record.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Okay, so in the Super Bowl era, he would have
the most yards passing in NFL history, and you'll still
fall short of Norm Van Brocklin, but he will still
have the record if if he gets him down into
the end zone, because like I said, they're probably gonna
throw on every play.
Speaker 2 (32:48):
Yeah, no, you're winging it around.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
You've had a couple of drops latest off a pretty
well contested ball, but yeah, just winging it around. Fans
calling on him to beat the spread with six David
and Joku has sixteen targets tonight. Elijah Moore has fourteen,
Jerry Judy has thirteen. He's this is like a street
game when I'm just looking for the same guys every
(33:11):
single play.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Yes, it's only every play.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Only it was a snow game like yesterday, you'd have
the opportunity for him to just ice his arm after
this one.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I don't I don't want to hear anymore that the
Broncos have a good defense.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Ah boy, Jamis just completes a pass out of bounds.
I believe he's up over four to ninety four to
ninety seven right now for Jamis Winston, fifty seconds left
to go. Again, he's got to get another another forty
yards and he will have that record. Jamis Winston each
(33:43):
and w's.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
All right, not eaton WS but record breaking? How crazy
would that be?
Speaker 4 (33:47):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Coming up next, we will have a big breakdown of this.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
Game and something that has happened tonight that is going
to change the fates of the NFL for next season.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
What is it? I'll tell you next right here, Jason
and Mike Fox Sports Radio. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike harmon weekdays
at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (34:12):
You asked for Christopher Lee, count Dooku singing Christmas songs.
Speaker 2 (34:16):
We give you Christopher Lee singing Christmas songs. Let's get
it on. Come on now, hey guys, huge question coming
off this game for you. Yeah, I hit me what
you got Frostburg? Was that the worst great game ever?
Buy a quarterback? The best bad game ever? Body?
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Listen, when when you know, when when my grandkids get
old enough and they say to me, pop, can you
tell me in one game what Jameis Winston's career was like?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
I would say, let me tell.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
You about a Monday night way back in twenty twenty
four where Jameis Winston threw four touchdowns, two pick sixes
at almost a third through for nearly five hundred yards
and his team won. No, they lost by nine. That's
Jameis Winston. This is the most Jameis Winston game of
Jameis Winston games. This really does go to the top
(35:07):
of the Wikipedia page of how would I define a career? Yes, maddening,
this is the most Jamis Winston game of all Jameis
Winston games. But you think you get out of the
bad habits and the final interception really is the punctuation
mark to it, all right, like when the other like
the second interception's falling down, it's behind the receiver, but whatever,
(35:28):
it's a good catch. He just happens to not get
touched by the way guys are falling around. He gets
somebody's able to run back to the end zone. This
is Hey, I've got first goal, I've got an opportunity
to beat the spread, and I don't even see a
guy in the right color jersey to throw it to.
So yeah, this was the maddening thing, but a perfect
(35:49):
capper to what was a crazy ass five days of football.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, oh absolutely, you know what I mean, Like if
you were going.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
To say, you know, what's the appropriate way to end
everything we saw going back to Bears Lions, the eight
overtime game in college football on Friday night, all of
that chaos on Saturday, yesterday's games that ending with the
snow and the Josh Allen stuff. Yeah, this is the
perfect way to cap that week.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
This is it.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
This is the look when you have Jameis Winston night
when a guy throws for four hundred and ninety seven
yards but his passer rating is eighty eight. I mean,
I didn't think that poss I beat the crap out
of that team. Yeah, yeah, but h you won by
how many?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Oh no we lost?
Speaker 3 (36:33):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:34):
No, no, no, we lost by nine, lost by nine,
not even one score. I had two pick sixes and
luckily the guy had thrown for two hundred yards. Who
was able to chase down a guy or it would
have been three pick sixes.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
So that was that.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah, that was my night. There, there you go, that's it.
That's me.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
Jameis Winston, the most Jamis Winston of all Jameis Winston games.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
But the entire night is eight. Where is he gonna start?
Speaker 1 (36:57):
And then see the pick sixes? Hey, listen that third one.
But you want another hot Toel'll get you.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
He's another thing.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
No, no, no, Jameis Winston tonight, even though to Big
Six's four ninety seven, he has turned these receivers. Jerry
Judy is the best version of Jerry jen a lot
more same thing, David and Joku is the tight end
we thought he was gonna be three year, four years ago.
Jameis Winston has just won the brown starting quarterback job
(37:26):
for next year. You have solved your court That's the
best part for the Browns. You have solved your quarterback
quandary because you had Jamis on the roster this year,
and you had Deshaun Watson on the roster this year,
and you figured it out. Right Now, obviously, hey, you're
don't have to give Jamis some money because you're gonna
want him to start next year, but you can figure
out a way to give him the money he wants
to stay here, because obviously, when you're thirty years old,
(37:48):
thirty one years old, like Jameis Winston is, you want
to be able to say, I want to play in
a place where I know I can succeed. Why if
you're Jamis, would you risk going some play. Well, they're
gonna give me money, okay, but you've made a lot
of money in your career. You want to play. He
wants to be on the field and play. You see
the way the guy goes crazy before the games. He
wants to be on the field. He has stumbled into
(38:08):
a situation that works for him, right. This is how
it goes for quarterbacks all around the league. He has
stumbled into a situation that works really well. He's got
great chemistry with all those receivers and look Tilman two
for a few weeks as well. He wants to stay.
The Browns will want him to stay. They still have
Deshaun Watson's contract.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
It's done. It's done.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Jameis Winston comes into camp next year and he is
the starting quarterback and either Deshaun Watson as the backup
or they keep him away from the team. He is
the starting quarterback for next year. This changes the NFL.
It changes everything with Deshaun Watson the Browns going after quarterback.
This is a red letter night in the NFL because
Jameis Winston has won this job for twenty twenty. The
beauty of it is you're also losing enough to where
(38:47):
you'll get a nice piece of a component part either
the air apparent if you want to go that route,
or you're gonna go and find another piece for your
offensive line or another maybe add to the defense, which
you know has looked good at times this year for
Stefanski and company. I mean, look, Jamis obviously responds he
(39:09):
was doing all the pregame and halftime speeches.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
When he wasn't the starting quarterback. And you see how
the team responds.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
James, you got something to say, Yeah, yeah, let's not Yeah,
I'm not going to play today.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Yeah I can go crazy for you here, Yeah I
got I got it for you.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
We never had any sense that Deshaun Watson was a
guy anybody was rallying for. And then you even add
dope reports, Hey, the raining coach of the year is
gonna get fired, Like, come on, they will figure out
the money, they'll figure out. Jameis Winston's your starting quarterback
next year.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
It's done.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
How about the NFL changes sometimes in one game one night,
it happened.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
That way here Jameis wins coming up next.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Well, it's not just about Jamis Winston, but something big
about a lot of quarterbacks this season that's next, Fox,
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