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December 26, 2024 40 mins

On tonight’s edition of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon, Arnie Spanier and Bernie Fratto fill in on Christmas Day. Arnie kicks off the hour with a story about Lakers legend Kobe Bryant, and the duo reacts to LeBron James giving Steph Curry a big hug before the Christmas Day Lakers-Warriors matchup. Next, the guys dive into the Aaron Rodgers-Jets drama and debate whether the veteran QB will return to the Jets next season. Don’t miss all this and more in Hour 3!

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(00:49):
Bernie Fredroorney Span. You're in for the guys to night
Jason Smith and his best friend Mike Harmon here on
Fox Sports Radio the power hour of the show. But
it's not the last hour, Bernie, because they have a
bonus hour on the Jason Smith Mike Harmon Show, so
we'll get to that next hour. Also, I do have
a couple of funny stories about when I was first

(01:12):
in the business and then I got a couple well,
I got a great story, Bernie, that you're I don't
think I've ever told this one on the radio about
what I was like about sixteen years old and uh,
at a party drinking a few beers. So I don't
know which one to get to first, to be honest

(01:33):
with you, they're both. Let me give you.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Let me start with that one. I like that here
my underage drinking, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Let me start with that one. This has nothing to
do with radio, but it's a funny story. We had
a buddy of ours. You know, there's a group of
like ten or twelve of us that used to hang out.
And one of the buddy of ours was adopted. Okay,
great guy, great baseball Player's name was Gary. I'm not
going to give his last name because it's from what

(02:00):
we understood. His father was really really rich, Okay, and
I'm not talking, you know, rich by a couple of million.
We're talking with bee for billions. Okay. Matter of fact,
his father's name was known in Los Angeles, but we
had no idea that he was that he was so rich.
So his father was out of town, his parents were

(02:20):
out of town, and he had a big party at
his house and we were just boozing it up. You know,
we're sixteen, seventeen years old. And when I told you,
if I told you that this guy's house was like
something out of I can't even tell you. Like just
it was like a fortress. It was like a compound,

(02:42):
you know what I mean, Bernie, it was. It had
paintings on the wall that was worth millions of dollars,
and people are throwing up on the carpet and just
you know, just ruining million dollar artwork, and people are
laughing and yucking about it. Anyway, There's there's a doorbell.
The doorbell rings, and I happen to go answer it,

(03:05):
and it's one of the neighbors, right, And I go, hey,
how you doing. I may have had a few too
many by this time, and I go, hey man, how
you doing? I go, what's your name? He goes? He
tells me his name. I go, Betty. I go, your
name is Betty? For a dude, what kind of name
is Betty? Man? And he just looks at me. He

(03:27):
just gives me a smile. He goes, just want to
make sure everything's okay. I saw the cops come by earlier.
Just want to make sure they weren't harassing you. I go, Betty,
come on in for a few drinks. Man, come on in,
come on in for some beers. And he's like, no, no, no,
it's all cool, dude. I just just want to make
sure everything was cool and that you got weren't getting harassed.
I go, Betty, I go, how did you get the name? Betty?

(03:50):
He just like, I'm totally busting his chops. Okay, I'm
just just totally getting because you know what, I'm just
bugging the guy. And he had long hair too, like
down to his shoulders. And I go, come on, Betty,
come on in for a drink. He goes, Eddie starts louing.
He's says, no, I gotta go, I gotta go. So
so anyway, he leaves, and my my friend goes, who

(04:11):
is it the door? I go, is your neighbor, Betty?
He goes, my neighbor, Betty. He goes, you mean Eddie?
Oh go, yeah, that must have been his name, Eddie.
It was Eddie van Halen.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Obviously when he was alive. But he lived right next
door to my my friend.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
Garrett had to be prior to Valery Burdinelli.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Right, no, no, this is when they were married. They
had a house together.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
So this is this has gotta be circlear like nineteen
seventy eight.

Speaker 3 (04:45):
Oh, this is what I remember. I'm my kid, this
is this is yeah, this is when he was with
Valwie at the time, so they had the house. But
it was just oh man, he must have thought I
was just like a drunken fool, you know what I mean.
And I just kept calling him Betty. And he should
have come in for a beer. That would have made
the story even better, you know what I mean. But

(05:06):
it just goes to show you how rich my friend
was living right next door to Eddie van Halen, you know.
So I thought that was funny, Bernie. That cracked me
up a little bit. And I'll give you one more.
When I first started in the business of radio, when
I first started, when I got into Los Angeles, I
wasn't very liked much in Los Angeles. The Lakers didn't
like me, the listeners didn't like me. But I had

(05:29):
a very popular show, Bernie, I swear I really did.
The ratings were through the roof. Everybody knew who I was,
and I couldn't walk the streets without people yelling vulgarities
at me. Anyway, we were doing the show from Staples,
you know whatever, it was Staples back then. And I
noticed when we were doing the show from behind the

(05:51):
glass partition that we went to the commercial break. We
wouldn't run the commercials over the lab speaker outside, but
I could still get on this speaker and people could
hear me. You know, we're doing it right in Staples.
It's before a playoff game. Twenty thousand people are strolling
into the stadium and they're all listening to the show.
They're out in front, they're looking at me, they're listening
to the show. Blah blah blah. I mean, we have

(06:13):
a captive audience. It's fantastic. But when we go to
the commercial, we turn the speakers. You know, you couldn't
hear the programming, but you could hear me. So I
would get on the Oh you're gonna love this, Bernie.
I'd get on as they were walking by. Where a
commercial break, and I go, welcome to Staples Center. Game
six of your Los Angeles Lakers taking on Portland. Kobe

(06:36):
Bryant is a no. We will not be playing today
because of a broken leg, and I, oh my god,
Oh my goodness, you would have thought that I was
just dropping f bombs on the air. People were like
in widespread panic. You would have thought aliens were landing
on Earth. I'm serious, Bertie, you would have thought the

(06:59):
panic I started. Within two minutes, my boss called me
and said, well, I can't really tell you what he said,
but he said, please stop saying that. But not like that.

Speaker 4 (07:10):
You were for you, Yes, you were on a flagship.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
We were on The flagship was the same company, but
they were five seventy. We were eleven fifty. But Bernie,
they were the boss. If he could, if he had
a guard, I wouldn't be alive right now. I'm telling
you the Lakers were mad at me. And then I
want to just tell you during the summer, as we
were getting ready for the next year, happy to run

(07:34):
into Kobe at the practice facility and he comes up
to me and I'm like, oh my god, he's got
something to say to me. And he looks at me,
he goes broken leg. You couldn't even give me a
handstring so maybe I can play And he just started
to laugh and walked away, And I thought that was
just so funny. Bertie. I got in so much trouble
for that so much trouble.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
Well did you tell people like you were just kidding?

Speaker 3 (07:59):
And he but the Lakers didn't think it was funny
at the time. You know, they were like, that's that's
not funny. You know.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
You know the Pittsburgh Pirates famous announcer named Bob Prince,
and they had a bench clearing brawl with the Cincinnati
Reds one day and pedro Borbone bit one of the
Pirates players. So for the rest of the season, Bob
Prince would never refer to pedro bor Bone as in

(08:28):
his real name. He would only call him Dracula. You
only call him Dracula. So baseball players have very long memories.
And the following season, the first road trip that Cincinnati
took to Pittsburgh. You know, you've been enough press boxes
and everything runs into each other. You got the cafeteria,
the hallway, everything leading to everything down to the field,

(08:49):
the elevator. Pedro Borbone goes right up to Bob Prince
and gets in his face and says, what my name?
And he never called him Dracula again.

Speaker 3 (08:58):
No, I can imagine it was a kind of like that.
Jim Rome and Jim Evert's story back back in the day.

Speaker 4 (09:05):
By the way, I refuse to believe that was staged.
I think it was spontaneous combustion.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Oh I agree with that too.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
How the hell would either one of those guys benefit
from that? Hey, I got an idea, Jim, Why don't
I call you Chrissy and you throw me over a desk? Well,
I'll get big careers.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Uh, you want to get in, you want to be
part of the show. At Bernie Frattle, I'm at at
stinking genius one. Let us know where you're listening to
the show from, how you're listening to the show, always
wondering who's listening and where they're listening on Christmas during
this time. And I'll get to those a little bit later.
On a matter of fact, Steve says he's listening to
both of us from out there in Peoria, Arizona is

(09:49):
a Padre fan. Also, aside from San Diego. Where else
can I live because it's too expensive to live in
San Diego, There's no doubt about that. Bernie san Diego.
I don't know anybody could live in San Diego. It's
absolutely crazy out there. NFL stat says, listening on iHeartRadio
from my hotel room at the South Point, prepping for

(10:09):
week seventeen. Great show, high energy. So that's one of
your guys. Bertie out there was.

Speaker 4 (10:16):
A great guy. Yeah, he's runs NFL ref stats work
for Lauren Warren Sharp Joe was a great.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Guy, Jason said. Mike Piazza played for the Oakland A's.
If we were just naming Hall of Famer players that
played for.

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Get given Ricky's passing, uh well, you know he'd raise us.
The question will ever be another Oakland A? Was soon
to be the Las Vegas A's, right right, They're supposed
to break ground on April. I'm following that story, So yeah,
will there ever be another Oakland A or Las Vegas A?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
U Sinja from Tacoma, Washington. All time listener Mary Everything
enjoy the show. Guerrero was elected to the Hall of
Fame in twenty eighteen. Yeah, ninety two point nine percent
of the votes by the Baseball Writers Association of America
and the first Dominican hitter to be inducted.

Speaker 4 (11:07):
So and he was in. He started his career as
a Montreal expo. We talked about all the talent in
scotting and development, Uh, that that that organization produced, and
that's where a young Dave Dombrowski got his start and
a ruling heman. And you talk about the people that
I mean, we talked about this, right, Randy Johnson and
Tim Rains and Pedro Martinez and all these guys that

(11:30):
were with the Expos. They were a held of an organization. Uh.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Rockabilly Rebel says, Happy holidays from San Antonio, Texas, listening
from the blowtorch. The tickets seven sixty. These are the
Toronto Blue Jay Hall of Famers. Nowhere on this list
is Pedro Martinez. Yeah, Gary Carter, Tim Rains, Larry Walker,
Vladimir Guerrero. Doesn't mean they they've played for the Rusty Stop?

(11:58):
Is he a Hall of Famer?

Speaker 4 (11:59):
I didn't think was Rusty Stops in the Hall of
Fame though.

Speaker 3 (12:01):
Randy Johnson certainly a Hall of Famer, but not as
a Montreal X Well that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
Well, look, rarely anybody plays for their entire it plays
for the same organization for their entire career. Right, So
the question is if you are elected to the Hall
of Fame, right, And by the way, Pedro Martinez is
in the Hall of Fame. He's been the Hall of
Fame ten years. Okay, he got like ninety percent of

(12:29):
the vote. I mean the guy, Come on, man, he
was a Hall of Famer. I forget the order in
which the teams he played. I'm ninety nine percent sure,
ninety nine percent sure. He actually broke in as a
Dodger and then it was traded to the expos I'm
ninety percent sure. But you know he was with the

(12:49):
Red Sox, that team and O four that came back,
his time with the Mets, his time with the Phillies.
He'd been around, so there's five organizations now. He passed
through Montreal all but I'd have to look it up
as to when he was elected into the Hall of Fame.
Who did he go in? You know what organization did
he most associate himself with when he went into the

(13:12):
Hall of Fame? I'm not sure?

Speaker 3 (13:14):
All right? Again, a couple morements. We have so many,
I'm gonna save him throughout the show. If you want
to get hold of us at Bernie Frattle, at Stinking
Genius one the weed smoker listening to us in Tucson, Arizona,
my neck of the woods with my fellow Wildcats on
Fox Sports Radio one to five point nine. App the
NBA needs some ultra goons instead of everybody trying to

(13:34):
be good guys. The fans can see right through the
phony good guy shenanigans. I said that earlier, Bernie, when
we were talking about Lebron giving Steph Curry and what's
his face, Draymond Green, big old hugs before the game,
like they were long lost brothers, like they haven't seen
each other in like five years or something. It's just

(13:55):
getting old.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
It's ridiculous about Lebron drawing attention to himself. The guy
is an attention hole and you know it. And by
the way, I think the NBA has much larger issues.
I mean, look at let's just real quickly pivot. I
want to get your thoughts on this, Arnie. You know
about this goofy NBA All Star Game debacle. The NBA
All Star Game is not salvagable. It's not fixable. The

(14:19):
NFL recognized that with the Pro Bowl. Now I understand
the players want to.

Speaker 3 (14:22):
Be the Pro Bowl game. They say, yeah, well.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
But they don't play a game anymore. And look, if
you're in the NBA, you want to be recognized as
an All Star, maybe you know, named to the All
Star team, maybe voted in as an All Star, but
you don't want to play in the damn game. This
is now not funny anymore. They're playing this three team
tournament and Barkley, Charles Barkley, Shaquille O Leal and Kenny

(14:45):
Smith are going to draft the teams on February sixth.
Here's listen, how clever they Arenie. They're gonna be called
Team Chuck, Team Chuck. I guess that's Barkley, right, Team Shack?
Which one would that? Possibly? And Team Can And then
there's gonna be a fourth team of the winner of
the Rising Stars Challenge? Are you okay? What makes people

(15:06):
think you draft they're gonna want to get on the
floor and compete.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
They're not gonna want to you Why was the All
Star Game better back in the day?

Speaker 5 (15:14):
Then?

Speaker 3 (15:14):
Why did they get good numbers back in the day?

Speaker 4 (15:17):
Star power and it was a real game where they
played real defense, real defense, aren't he? The NBL Star
Game used to be sensational both there was bragging riots
East versus West. There was tremendous star power and it
was new. Uh you know, the slam dunk competition is played.
Everything's played. If you've watched the last ten All Star Games,

(15:40):
I mean, you score like four hundred points in an
All Star Game. For crying out out, there's zero defense.
There's zero basketball in the sense that we know it.
Players don't want to compete in any real meaningful way
in the middle of the season like that for fear
of getting hurt. They just don't want to do it anymore.

Speaker 3 (15:57):
Especially with the money they're getting. Overnight. Oh works at
one of the TV stations out there. Just got done
running The Grinch and the News. Now I'm listening to
you guys. Looks like my Bills will be the number
two seed. Maybe we'll play the Dolphins in the first round.
I love for the Dolphins to get in their percentage
of Bernie about five percent chance of catching the Chargers

(16:18):
or the Colts or the Well, the Colts aren't even
in the playoffs spot, but the Chargers are Denver. They
got like a five percent chance. It's not looking good
right now.

Speaker 4 (16:26):
You know it's not looking good right now, and you
know it's it's not a.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Couple of things I wanted to get through before we
get back to the NFL and Netflix and the and
the game that was on one few that's happening with
Shannon Sharp and Kurt Herb Street. Did you see this
one the year about that?

Speaker 4 (16:43):
Yeah, I've paid attention, and it feels a little bit
like a tempest in a teapot. First of all, what
got into Kirk kerk Street man who peede on his
corn flakes? He's been about a vanilla, you know, as
an he's been zero controversy, and all of a sudden
he comes, he comes off the top rope this past week. Well,

(17:04):
I think he's taking off for Ryan Day, okay, And
he didn't like the fact the first take Shannon Sharp
and steven A. Smith had been criticizing Ryan Day. Steven A. Smith,
who I respect a lot, name drop Rob Parker, him
and I and Mark Wilson. After our postgame show No.
Five when Mooch got fired in Detroit, we had dinner

(17:25):
with him a fish Bones. He's a really good guy.
But he didn't like it that Herb Street called him
out because Steven A. Smith said, if they don't win
the you know, if they don't beat Morgan, he Days
would be fired. I got more good mold and he
ain't being fired. I don't care if they lose seventy
three to one. They're not They're not going to lose
their recruiting class next year. They're not going to lose

(17:46):
their roster. They're not going to do it. But just
to just to answer your point, so Herbstreet sort of
called them out, basically saying you tried to get him fired,
and Sharp just said, look, don't play with me. All right, Sharp,
I actually thought took a high road. They'll both work
for ESPN. All right, well, let me play with Charp.

Speaker 3 (18:05):
Let me play what we have it now, Alex play
the response that Shott and Sharp gave about what Herb
Street had to say on the air.

Speaker 4 (18:12):
I'm gonna be a good teammate.

Speaker 5 (18:14):
I'm gonna let it slide everybody at ESPN, because had
you not taken the route you taking, I would have
lit their ass up.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
I'm gonna let it slide.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
You know what, guys, congratulations Ohio State, you won the game.
But a if we're gonna be on the same team,
if we're gonna work for the same network, don't do that.
Kirk Chris Pola, I promise you if you ever mentioned
anything any platform that I'm on again and talking about
I wonder what they're gonna say in negativity. I promise
you ESPN ain't got enough bosses to keep me off

(18:43):
y'all for what I'm gonna say. So I'm gonna let
y'all slide today. I'm gonna turn it over to d
O before I get myself in trouble. But don't play
with me.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Go ahead, d O.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
I am sharp and I love Herb Street. But if
could you imagine if Herb Street said I can't wait
to hear what Arnie and Bernie is going to say
about the game because they're so negative. I would play
that like on a loop and played for the whole
three hour show. I'd be so proud of myself. And
I know him some slub, But I don't know why
you got. I don't know what made Shannon go up

(19:13):
like that. I don't know why you got because.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
He took umbrage that they both worked for ESPN, right right,
He says, we're both teammates. There, there's there, it is
right there. Hey man, we're on the same team here.
Let's not be doing that when teammates go after each
other in front of God and everybody. But I don't
know what the hell Shannon Sharff is talking about? What
are you gonna do? Give a forum shiver? What do
you do? Call him a nini? What exactly are you

(19:37):
gonna do, Shannon if he brings up your name again?
But I actually feel he did call name.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
He just called them by the show.

Speaker 4 (19:42):
Yeah, it doesn't matter, you know, people got but but
Shannon Sharp, I think does a good job. And I
would say this. I felt he was in his own way,
trying to take the high road, and I don't I
don't think it's appropriate that you you take a shot
at someone at your own network.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Oh I don't think it was all that bad, But.

Speaker 4 (20:04):
Our opinion counts least because they weren't taking a shot
at us. They were taking a shot at at Shannon Sharp. Okay,
those guys are paid to have opinions, and Kirk curve
Street may not agree with that opinion. But he personalized
it a little bit in a way that for whatever
reason they weren't having it, they weren't having it. He
needed to look, he says, or teammates here, don't do
that anymore. Man, You got to be better than that.

(20:25):
Now he said it a little different way.

Speaker 3 (20:27):
Right, right, that's for sure.

Speaker 4 (20:29):
All right.

Speaker 3 (20:29):
A couple of things I want you to tweet on
in where you're listening and how you're listening to the
show on this Christmas and next year. Is Mike McCarthy
coming back to the Cowboys? Is Aaron Rodgers coming back
to the Jets. We'll get to that coming up next.
Bernie Fratto, Arnie Span, you're in for the guys, Jason
Smith and his best friend Mike Harmon right here on
Fox Sports or Radio.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
All right, good evening, everybody burned, Fred, Arnie Span, you're
right here on Fox Sports Radio. Fillion for Jason Smith
and his best friend Mike Harmon. Chris, I hope everybody
had a great Christmas, a great holiday here on the
East Coast. We are done. We're now getting ready on
New Year's for next year or next week, and the
holidays are now over. Thanksgiving has done, Christmas is done.

(21:21):
Honika just starting, but it's pretty much all wrapped up.
I'm not a big New Year's guy. Bernie, are you
you're in Vegas? That's gonna be like the Super holiday
for you guys out there in Vegas.

Speaker 4 (21:33):
Right, I'm working New Year's Eve, big fella me in
for mallor.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Oh that's all. I'm working New Year's Eve too. I'm working.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
Yeah. At one time, like everybody else, that was a
big New Year's guy. But you get to a point where, okay,
you know, been there, done that.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, But Vegas it's like the world for drunken idiots.

Speaker 4 (21:49):
You got well, you got the strip and they closed
down the strip and it you know, it's we have
our own little version of the ball here like Times
Square and it's a big, big, giant block party ten
miles long. But you know, you got idiots been hooked
up to a blender since eight that morning at a strip,
them off the street. They call it amateur night. I

(22:10):
don't know. There's plenty of pros out there too.

Speaker 3 (22:12):
It's that's for sure. I remember the days of Vegas
in New Year's that's for sure. Truck stopped. Fungus says,
listening to you guys from his ice house in Mora, Minnesota,
the fisher binding Bernie. You ever ever do any ice
fishing or what? Bernie? Uh?

Speaker 4 (22:31):
Not a lot here in Vegas. It's very limited, very limited.
I could imagine Fish here in Vegas.

Speaker 3 (22:37):
Big Gym listening in Winston Salem, North Carolina, and Gunner saying,
I'm here in Mountain Iron, Minnesota. Walmart working the overnights,
listening to you on iHeartRadio. Love you guys, You're both great.
Go Timberwolves. I thought everything's supposed to be closed on Christmas?
What's Walmart doing open? With? Shame on them? I thought

(22:57):
everything's closed.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Bertie is in is in that after Christmas sale? Kind
of like uh a, kind of like Black Friday?

Speaker 3 (23:04):
You know, I don't know, you have to make it.
I mean, come on, make you open up at midnight
or something. That's ridiculous. I hear everything's closed. There's barely
anything open. Things close at like eight o'clock.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
My grocery store is the latest thing open, and that's
like at nine o'clock. They they wrap up real real early.

Speaker 4 (23:21):
Here. I would have a wal Mart, Yeah, we do,
we have we.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Have a Walmart.

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Is it open tomorrow?

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Well, tomorrow is not a holiday. There's nothing going on tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah, there's no hour of course. Boxing Day Canada, Yeah, well.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, there's that's not exactly. I want to get through
a couple of things. Aaron Rodgers. He was asked on
whether he's going to be back next year. I think, Alex,
do you have one? He answered that one.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Do you think what he wants your back? You should
ask Woody. I got to see him, had conversations.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
And all I earned out the teacher, No, all right,
no conversations about the future, Bernie. And if he said,
does what do he want you back? He said, you
got to ask what he That doesn't sound like a
match where two guys are all lovey w like we
heard a couple of weeks ago. What's going on here?
Is he going to be back? I think he wants

(24:23):
to go back because his.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Options are about it. Yeah, well, first of all, what
does he mean Woody from toy Story? Yes, er, okay,
let's just cut to the chase.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Whatody Johnson the owner?

Speaker 4 (24:35):
There's not of course, you're the owner of the Jets, right.

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (24:38):
There's no guaranteed money remaining on Aaron Rodgers' contract. He's
twenty twenty five cap hit. He's twenty five million or
twenty four million. But if Aaron Rodgers is on the roster,
there's a thirty five million dollar option bonus. So if
you Aaron, let's we know you want to go back.
You don't want it to end this way. The Jets

(24:59):
don't real have a succession plan, so you want to
be a hero, wave the option bonus with a thirty
five million play for the minimum two point five million
base salary and run it back. All right. I don't
count anybody's money, but in this case, I will. You've
made over three hundred million in your career. Anyway, it's
slice it, it's a is it currently stands? It's an

(25:23):
expensive proposition for the Jets to either keep Rogers or
wave Rogers.

Speaker 3 (25:29):
Is it expensive though? If you're paying twenty five million
dollar cap. No, well wait a minute, if you're paying
him twenty four million, But yet, how much is it?
Sam Darnold go to demand on the on the free
agent market.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Okay, the Jets are a train wreck. The question is
not will they run it back? Should they run it back?
And it's not a zero, not a zero, but I
feel like it'll sink under its own weight because of
the way Aaron Rodgers conducted himself. You're gonna be back
next year? What Rogers should have said? But he's too stoopid,

(26:00):
an egotistical, and self serving con artist to do this.
He should have said, you know what I wish we
could do this season and last season over, mister Johnson,
let us run back one more time. I'll take a
pay cut. I think we can do better. Give us
one chance. But he's too much of a d bag
to do that. So I think it's gonna sink under
its own way. Now, when you ask me the question

(26:21):
about Mike McCarthy, you're gonna get a different answer.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Well, we'll just just finishing up there on Aaron Rodgers.
Is his relationship with Woody Johnson not as kumbaya as
it was made out to be a couple of weeks.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Ago, or pretty clear that's the case. I think it's
pretty clear that so.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Is he is? Is he not gonna come back? Or
does Johnson does?

Speaker 4 (26:39):
What?

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Do he want him back?

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Or not?

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Then? What do you think?

Speaker 4 (26:41):
Well, here's the deal. Rogers said, he's willing to make
some concessions and mentor a new guy. What are those
concessions right now? I'm going to consider it a long shot,
a real long shot. But look what you know. Billy
Martin was hired by George Steinbutter three different times, right,
Bob Ucker once hit a home run off you know,
and Sandy Kofax. This ask Woitty is so curt it's

(27:02):
so on brand with Aaron. It's the reason you don't
want him back, because the guy a leopard doesn't change
his spots. The problem is the Jets have a lot
more talent on that defense and enough on the offense
to have done better. How about that? I'm taking my
victory lap. How about that Devanti Adams. Boy, he really
moved the needle, didn't he? No miners got a chance

(27:24):
to get everything he wanted, every player he wanted, every coach.
He wanted to get rid of it. And then he
went into denial. You know, go back to Egypt, soak
your head, do some more ayahuasca. Change her. It's a
long shot, That's all I can say. It's a long shot. Right.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
Let's get to Mike McCarthy now, because the latest edition
of Jerry Jones show on in Dallas. He insinuated the world. Well, yeah,
why wouldn't I want to give him a brand new contract?
Here's a guy though, In his defense, Mike McCarthy's won
Is it eleven or twelve games in three of the
last four years.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Can you just base twelve and five three years in
a row.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Three years ago, So you can't base it on what
he just this year, especially with the quarterback that got
injured and went down. What do you think he's gonna
do with Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I think it's way better than fifty to fifty that
McCarthy's back. It feels like Jerry Jones wants him back.
You know how I feel about Mike McCarthy. But he
is a players coach. He's a decent regular season coach.
Put him in the playoffs. He looks like, you know,
Barnie Rubble wandering the mall parking lot, can't figure out

(28:28):
where he parked his car. However, there's another thing at
play here too. They're not gonna get Ben Johnson. Ben
Johnson ain't going to Dallas. There was some talk about Belichick.
You know, Mike Vrabel, Who's Jerry really gonna get that's
gonna be cooperative and be a yes man. Mike McCarthy is.
Plus McCarthy's popular with the players, all right. There's one

(28:49):
other thing too. It's been noticed around Cowboys headquarters that
even though they've had the injuries they've had that the
team's considered to play hard. Is continued to play hard.
They fought, and I think that has not gone unnoticed
with Jerry Jones. So is if the devil you know
versus the devil you don't know. Here's the classic example

(29:12):
for you. Dak Prescott was three and five with an
eighty six passer rating, eleven touchdowns and eight interceptions. He
got paid though, right, Jerry paid him. Yes, cry babies
and whiners, you got paid. Cooper Rush is four and three,
ten touchdowns, two interceptions with a ninety one passer rating,
and the Cowboys if continued to play hard. That has

(29:35):
not gone unnoticed. So I don't know. You can't read
Jerry Jones mind, but I'll give it a seventy percent
chance that Mike McCarthy's back next year in Dallas.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
And he probably should come back. What about Dak Prescott?
Though you're stuck with him, you're paying them all the money,
he doesn't put up good stats. I don't think he's
the answer. I bet if Jerry Jones got a mulligan,
he would do that one over again. I'm thinking, I
don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I you know what I know they're scared to death
to go back to the Drew Henson Quincy Carter days.
And that's why they kept Doc. You know, uh being
in Detroit. People reason people have Matt Stafford Detroit so much.
He gives us the best chance to go seven to
nine every year. I'm done with Dak. He's never gonna
win a damn thing in this leeg. But what are

(30:21):
you gonna do? You can't You really can't have Cooper
Rush as your franchise quarterback. Do you go out and
get a saying you can't move Dak. No one's gonna
take that contra. I know a lot of people will
line up who who's gonna take that contract?

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Right right? That which is a lot of money. What
about Sam Darnald, where's he going to end up? And
the way he's.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
Gonna get a two to three? I think he's gonna
be in Minnesota.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
Next year for what fifty million a year?

Speaker 4 (30:45):
No, they won't give it, you know what they know?

Speaker 3 (30:46):
What about McCarthy. I thought mccarthyccarthy get set for two
or three years.

Speaker 4 (30:51):
It isn't gonna kill him. Come on, man, what is
this team's thirteen and two? You're gonna wave goodbye to
Sam Darnold. McCarthy hasn't done anything yet, and well, I
think he might be okay when his time comes. You
figured out you give Sam Donald a three year deal,
one hundred and forty million guarantee sixty million at whatever.
I think he'd take that deal. You don't need to

(31:12):
pay him fifty, nor do I think he would require fifty.
I think there's a deal to be had there with.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Him, and he's still pretty close forty five to fifty million.

Speaker 4 (31:19):
I mean, forty is a lot less than fifty, and
it's way less than sixty, which is a new market,
which you're saying, you know that that Rock Party wants.
But here's the deal. You've got to know in quiment,
Minnesota's good, Arnie. Why give Sam donald's flowers? He was
with two other dysfunctional organizations and he has done the job.
And Kevin O'Connell is a brilliant coach, and that team

(31:41):
plays complimentary football. They'd be crazy to part ways with
Sam Darnald.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Do you think they will part ways with him?

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Then? No, I think you'll see him there next year.

Speaker 3 (31:50):
I'm not so sure about that, Bernie. There may be
somebody that may bid the fifty million dollars a year
and give him three or four years and it'll take
money and go and say goodbye.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Well, that could happen, and then Sam Donald, you know,
has a decision to make uh, and you know, do
you just go uh? You know who who is the
high is bitter? You know, do you just you you
become that way? I mean, I know everybody's everybody's got
their price right, you know. I think the only thing

(32:22):
that could I think the only thing that could prevent
Sam Donald from being a a Viking next year is
that something goofy happens and they lose in the first
round of the playoffs and he throws like four interceptions
or something. But Kevin O'Connell has spoken out that he's
really confident and when I will tell you or I

(32:43):
covered the lines for ten years, when a head coach,
regardless of the position, but especially quarterback, they decide, they decide,
I got a guy who cando this, I got a
guy who can do this. It's hard to part ways
with him, and he runs that offense quite nicely with
the players around him. M O'Connell's got confidence in him.

(33:04):
The team has confidence in him, and can you imagine
they clinch the top seed in the NFC Week eighteen
at Detroit. Right, So look, Kirk Cousins had winning seasons too,
no playoff success, right, so a lot. You know, let's
see how Darnold does. And we just also remember McCarthy's

(33:26):
coming off a knee injury. He should recover, but he's
still coming off an injury.

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(33:52):
right after. We have some lazy producers here on the
show tonight, so we'll see what happens.

Speaker 4 (33:57):
You know.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I'm I'm not you know, picking out anybody on this
Christmas Bertie. I don't want to do that, so make
sure you tune on him when we get back. The
race to number one and I don't mean the number
one seed I mean the number one pick. We'll get
to that coming up next right here on Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
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Speaker 3 (34:23):
All right, good evening, everybody. Of course, Bernie fred or
Orney Span, you're right here on Fox Sports Radio in
for the guys tonight, Jason Smith at his best friend
Mike Carmon. Any good presence tonight that you have and
to open up, Bernie, anything you want to share or
what my friend?

Speaker 4 (34:37):
Yeah, I got pretty well spoiled by my wife, a
lot of good stuff. And then you know, of course
the usual case of beer, carton of Marvels. I didn't
get my red Rider gun though they keep the damn it.
You just keeps saying, I'll put someone's eye out.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
You know, my wife is very easy to shop for.
She just gets a bunch of I could just in.
Each one's the same thing. University of Arizona T shirt,
a basketball shirt or a football jersey, or a sweatshirt
or something Arizona. So that's that's all I require, Bernie.
I'm I'm very easy to shot something. Wow. Wow, Well

(35:21):
he didn't study, so obviously you had to go to
a bad academic experience. I mean, hey, we're in the
same career here, so wow that slow down, man.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
But I I admit it.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
I get everything Arizona. I don't buy anything from my
wife Bernie zero, And I don't want to sound like
a bad person or anything like that. I just say,
just get what you want. So I said to it,
I go, what did I get you today? She goes,
you got me a new ski outfit. It's fantastic. I oh,
you're welcome. Then there you go.

Speaker 4 (35:53):
So you're breaking into like a Rodney dangerfield Henny.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
Youngman that she I go, just get what you want,
because I don't know what she wants. I never I
never know what she wants.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
Right, he did your field, he said, tells his wife,
what do you want for Christmas? Use? Take me someplace
I've ever been? He right? How about the kitchen?

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yea, my wife? My wife made dinner last night. It
was I don't you know. I'm not going to pick
on her. It was horrible. I can't eat it. Maybe
it's just maybe I have something wrong with me.

Speaker 4 (36:25):
I just can't eat, So you're going right in the angerfield.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 4 (36:29):
My wife she served off with that soup the kids
bill out helping the bull.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
I just I just couldn't eat it. I made her
order me a pizza.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Oh that's always good.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
Yeah, Randy said, listening on my phone from Nashville while
walking the dog. The NBA is too much of a
me league picked me, pay me, trade me, rest me,
look at me. He's right about that is exactly right. Yeah,
that's that's that's one hundred percent truth on that one.
I said, the race to number one, Berdie, I want
to pay off that teaser real quick. Uh. Plank got

(37:01):
a lot of grief on Sunday when we were doing
the show with people are like, oh, wait to go, Blanke,
your Raiders won. You went from having the number one
pick to the number six pick. He didn't care. He
had lost ten games in a row. He just wants
to win. Where are you on your team?

Speaker 4 (37:17):
I got Planks back on that big Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:19):
You think it's okay to win?

Speaker 4 (37:21):
Oh come on, well the Raider. Okay, let's just go
back a few years. You had you had Khalil Mack,
you drafted him. Where's he where's Josh Jacobs the notion
that you could thread the needle get that first pick
where they could get Shador Sanders. He's your savior, right? Thanks? Right?
I hate this crap about trying to you know, play
both sides against the middle and tanks. You can get

(37:42):
this quote savior draft choice. How did it suck for Luck? Workout?
I like Andrew Luck, never want anything? How about tank
for Tua? You know they can't rhyme with something with
Shador or or Cam or right man for Cam? You
know I would stupid, stupid.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
But they do. But but now they did cost chance
to get Shadur Sanders though, so what so what?

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Well?

Speaker 3 (38:04):
They need a quarterback, Bernie, they need to.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Okay, you know what, it doesn't need to be Shadoor Sanders.
The need they got needs all over the field. And
and I have done this commentary once a year, and
I will tell you that drafting a first round quarterback
you have to wonder anymore if it's if it's worth
the gamble. I'm serious. For every Patrick Mahomes or Josh Allen,

(38:30):
there's ten Zach Wilson's and twenty Jamis Winston.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
Sorry, what are you supposed to do you have a
Caleb Williams or a Shadre Sanders Award? What are you
supposed to do with these guys?

Speaker 4 (38:41):
You know, well, your organization has to determine. Okay, just
let's just make this quickly. The Giants are gonna draft
number one. Their issues to beginning with their offense, and
they just blew out Daniel Jones. They're probably going to
look at a quarterback, but New England's number two. They
got Drake made. They're not gonna look at a quarterback.
I think Carroy Line should stick with Bryce Young. They're
not gonna look at a quarterback. I think the Raiders

(39:02):
are going to drop the sixth. Okay, but the Raiders
have so many needs you want to go out and
get you Dorris Sanders or cam Ward or what good luck?
See me in three years. And I don't know what
the Raiders are gonna do. They have sixteen scheduled unrestricted
free agents on their roster. Tom Telesco is going to
have to earn his money and I'll bring down the house.

(39:27):
I'm not so sure. I don't think I would fire
Antonio Peers.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
What because if the Eagles said all their players in
the last game of the year, so the Giants could
beat them, and it cost the Giants the number one pick.
For sure, there's anders.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Then again, this is all theoretical path goofy arguments among
sports fans who have very short memories. If you once
again try to game the system so you can get
that first pick, show me where that's worked out.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Well, again, it's worked out far and fear between. I
will say happen to Bertie. Three hours are in the books.
We're gonna have to come back. We're gonna have to
pick that up to the foot of the show is just
flying on bbe. We're gonna come back for the bonus
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