January 2, 2025 • 40 mins
On tonight’s edition of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon, Aaron Torres and Jason Martin fill in for Jason Smith and Mike Harmon. Aaron and Jason kick off the hour by breaking down Oregon's disastrous loss to Ohio State in the Rose Bowl and discussing what it could mean for Oregon’s future. Next, the guys dive into the NFL, analyzing the upcoming draft and predicting who they see going in the top 10! Don’t miss all this and more in Hour 3!
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I just told you, eritors, Jason Martin taking you up
till two am Eastern time. College football final to college
football quarterfinals on New Year's Day one on New Year's
even of course, the Sugar Bowl, which would have been
ending right about now, unfortunately tragically has been postponed until
Thursday at four pm Eastern time because of the senseless
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tragedy in New Orleans. Speak for everybody at Fox Sports
Radio when I say that myself, Jason Martin, everybody here
at Fox Sports Radio. Our thoughts are with everybody in
New Orleans and of course the families that have been
impacted again by the senseless tragedy in New Orleans on
New Year's Day morning, and we're gonna try to entertain
you here till two am Eastern time. I do want
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to get back to a conversation that we had earlier
in the show, Jay mart Ohio State. So, Ohio State,
of course goes to the Rose Bowl coming off that
great win against Tennessee. But I don't want to say you,
but I did. A lot of people, including me, said, Okay,
it was great against Tennessee, but you were at home
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for three weeks. You heard how terrible you were after
you lost to Michigan. It's gonna be an different deal
facing Oregon in the rows. Bah Oregon's different. They already
beat you. They're a really good team. They're undefeated Big
Ten champion, and those Ohio State buck guys better watch
out well as it turns out it should have been
Oregoned that was watching out because that game was over
basically as soon as it started. Oregon jumped out or
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Ohio State jumped out to a thirty four nothing lead
over Oregon. Oregon scores a touchdown an extra two point
conversion just before halftime. They did score to cut the
score to forty thirty four to fifteen about midway through
the third quarter, but it would never really get closer
than that. Ohio State scores just a few minutes later
they go up forty one to fifteen. They cruised to
a forty one twenty one victory over over Oregon. I
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think there's a lot of conversations to have here, j Mark,
but I think it just starts point blank, where did
this come from from Ohio State? Because the last two
weeks they have looked like the team that many thought
was the best team in college football coming into the year.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I mean, it's just I guess here's the thing. As
long as it shows up in time, I guess it
doesn't matter. The Michigan situation notwithstanding, I mean, that's just
an awful loss, and it looks worse and more baffling
by the week. Or even by the day when you
start to look at what Ohio State's done over these
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past couple of games. But I mean Dan Lanning after
the game after the Rose Bowl basically just said they
kicked our rear ends completely, like he made zero excuses,
even said, I'm not gonna make excuses. They clicked tonight
and we didn't and I didn't get our team prepared.
So I mean he took it all like he said, Nope,
we weren't prepared to play. They were better than us.
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He said, they were clicking on all cylinders. We really
didn't have the ability to stop them, and we didn't
have the ability to get something going for us on offense.
That's the quote from Dan Lanning. The team that played them,
and we saw Tennessee like Tennessee's pretty good football team.
Ohio State made them look bad in that game. My wife,
we're watching the first half of the Rose Ball. She's
a Tennessee fan, and she said, she's just like, man,
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I feel a little bit better. And I bet a
lot of Tennessee fans said the same thing, because sometimes
you watch a team beat your team and you say, man,
I hope they go win it all, and that might
be exactly what you're about to see Oregon. The problem
for Oregon was they saw Ohio State too fast. So
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this is really going to look bad for them because
they didn't have the opportunity to even win a college
football playoff game despite being the overall number one seed.
There will be changes made to that in the future.
But Lanning even said, he's like, yeah, you know, we
got that we had to play him first, but you're
gonna have to play good teams at some point in
this tournament, and we ran into one and we got
beat And all credit to him for the way that
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he can the way that he talked after this game
take an ownership. But I mean this was as thorough
a butt kicking as you're going to see. The first
half against Tennessee and the first staff against Oregon are
two of the best halves of football I've ever seen
a college football team play like you look at them
on both sides of the ball, offense, defense, Will Howard
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throwing dimes to Abuca and certainly to Jeremiah Smith. Jeremiah Smith,
I had his stats in front of me, just for
these last two games alone, has a let's see, he's
had two hundred and ninety yards and four touchdowns in
these two games. On thirteen receptions, he averaged seventeen point
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two per catch against Tennessee. He averaged twenty six point
seven against Oregon. He looks like he's an NFL player
that just came back to play with the young guys. Yeah,
I mean literally, like he's got an NFL body already.
Like you looked at Marvin Harrison, and Marvin Harrison Junior
was an absolute beast. This is nothing against him, except
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that he looked a little bit like he still needed
to grow a little bit in terms of just a
little he wasn't quite as filled out. You look at
Jeremiah Smith and he looks like he already has his
NFL body, Like he's ready to go that. You know this, Aaron,
there are guys that are coming out of college basketball.
It's like, well, he's got to get his NBA body.
Jeremiah Smith's ready. He's six four, two point twenty. He's
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got incredible lower body strength, He's got unbelievable hands. If
you throw it in his vicinity, he's going to go
up and make the play. They they're just like, I'm
stunned that it took this long, but all they have
to do is win two more games and they win
the national Championship. And yes, they lost to Michigan, but
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I do think that if you win the national Championship,
you're gonna be okay. If you're Ryan Day, I will
say that now you have put yourself in a spot
where we've seen what Ohio State should look like. So
you now have to go ahead and finish this thing.
Because I don't look at any other team that's left
and feel like they should have a shot to beat
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this Ohio State team if they show up the way
they have in the first two rounds of this tournament.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, and that's where I think a lot of the
you know, for I don't, I actually don't think this
is happening, But you know, I think there there can
be some revisionist history of like, well, you know, all
you guys that want to Ryan Day far, do you
sure look silly now? And it's like, I don't really
feel like we're getting that because I think everybody understands
that Ohio State was always capable of playing the way
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that they have the last two games. It's just a
matter of why didn't it come sooner? And so I
think that's exactly what it is. Is whatever happened in
those two three weeks after the Michigan game, and I
think part of it is just human nature of like
they probably did hear it. They probably you know, listen,
we we all know how the world is now.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's unavoidable some of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And you know, it used to just be sports talk
radio what you and I are doing right now filling
in for Jason Smith and Mike Harmon. But now it's
it's social media. It's it's it's it's it's Instagram, it's Twitter,
it's this, it's that, it's you know, you can't get
away from it. And so I don't know what it was,
but whatever it was, it has clearly inspired them. And
I'm with you is I just think it's hard for
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me to see the scenario where if they play to
their capability, that anyone really has any chance of beating
them going forward. A couple quick thoughts. One, Jeremiah Smith.
You mentioned him. I just want to put this out there.
We referenced Dane Brugler, who is an NFL draft expert
for the Athletic We referenced him earlier when we were
talking about Drew Aller, the quarterback at Penn State. But
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Dan Brugler during the broadcast today tweeted out quote, Jeremiah
Smith would go number one in this draft, no doubt
in my mind. All I'll say is, listen, I meant one.
It's just a hypothetical that we know will never happen.
He's not eligible, by the way, until the twenty twenty
seven NFL Draft, which just sounds like some futuristic time
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that isn't nearly as far away as it actually sounds
like it is. But he's not even eligible till the
twenty twenty seven NFL Draft. And but two, I'm with you,
I don't know that at this age I've ever seen anything.
And I know I'm not saying anything like that other
people haven't said, but it's like, I don't know I've
ever seen anybody like him, because, like you said, there's
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been guys that have been fast, there have been guys
that have made plays as a freshman, but he just
he just physically looks like a guy that's twenty six,
twenty seven years old.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And you know, I think you mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
In a tweet or in a text to me, but
it's like if he was eligible right now. I just
don't know how many guys, how many how many teams
in the NFL, And it sounds crazy, but I don't
think it's h hyperbole. How many teams in the NFL
feel like they have a guy at wide receiver one
that's better than him. I mean there's a few, but
there's just not that many. He is a very special player.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Yeah, I mean, there's nothing to add there. I mean,
he's he's got everything that you want. And Brugler comparing
him to Jones, it's just funny because one of the
things that was said about Julio Jones was something that
are in the first hour said, which is a reason
to go back, by the way, if you miss any
part of this show any day, go listen to Jason
(10:07):
and Mike on the podcast, but certainly check us out tonight.
But because we had Josh Perry on who played on
the Urban Meyer championship team and works on Big Ten
coverage for the NBC, and he called Jeremih Smith an alien,
and that's what Julio Jones was referred to a lot
at Alabama. He was called an alien. And if you're
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being compared to Julio Jones before you even enter the
NFL draft. This is the first time, like you have
this argument once in a while where all these as buals.
I mean, this guy's got to stay in school for
a couple of more years. And most of the time
it's bluster and it's puffery and it's a little bit overdone.
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In this case, I kind of agree, Like in this case,
it's almost sad that he has to stay in college.
It really is, like there have been like Trevor Lawrence.
I remember we had this conversation about Trevor Lawrence years ago,
even that like you could almost see he still needed time.
Jeremi Smith needs nothing. But Jeremiah Smith just needs a
needs A needs the ability to be drafted. And Dame
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Bruggler is right, like he would leap off this board.
The New England Patriots would run to the podium to
draft Jeremiah Smith if they had the opportunity to do so.
In this draft, they're not going to. But whoever gets drafted,
all due respect to the receivers that will be draftable
in this draft, you're gonna be looking at the dude
that you can't get, like why can't we get him?
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Like can we at least put a pre order down
on him so that when he's available, we can just
come to the store and pick him up, Because that
dude is NFL ready right now.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
So I'll tell you what, ja Mart, We are going
to spend the next segment kind of previewing the Texas
Jet Texas Ohio State game. But since I think both
of us have made it pretty clear that if Texas
plays the way that they did against Aras on a
state and frankly, the way they've played most of the
last five or six weeks, they're not going to win,
maybe we come back and talk a little bit of
NFL draft, because you and I are on air on
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Saturday nights, and I think we went through all the
scenarios with cam Ward last week and Shador Sanders and
all that, and then of course everybody wins except the
New England Patriots, and now they got the number one pick,
and so maybe we come back talk a little NFL draft.
Those two quarterbacks at the top, a team that does
not need the quarterback and does not need a quarterback,
excuse me, and what do they do and what has
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become a very interesting NFL draft going forward.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Aaron Torres, Jason Martin.
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Speaker 3 (12:51):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
This is The Day Smith Show with Mike Harmon, Jason Smith, Aaron,
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon are out. Aaron or as in,
Jason Martin are in. We are taking up till two
am Eastern time. We've talked a lot of college football.
I do want to switch gears to a little NFL
Jason real quick before we get to some of the
NFL draft stuff. It is worth noting that, as Chris
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Purfett told us at the top of the hour, U
Nick Sirianni officially announced today that Saquon Barkley will not
be playing in the Week eighteen game for.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
The Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Philadelphia has not only clinched the NFC East, they are
locked into the two seed. There is nothing that they
can do to change their their position in the in
the playoffs going forward, and so I'm curious. I don't
think I'll leave it up to you any surprise, disappointment,
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anything like that on Saquon decide, not deciding, but the
team deciding that Saquon would not play in Week eight.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Team No, I mean, you always want to see possibility
of a record being broken, unless you're Eric Dickerson. Yeah,
he came right out and said nora until he really
feels yeah, which look, honestly, I'm glad he did because
I think more people the whole records feel that way
than don't, and they'll come out and say, oh, it's
gonna be so nice when he breaks my record. I
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don't think anybody. A lot of people don't want to
see their records get broken. Yeah, I wonder if this
would be the same if this were a sixteen game
season and say Quon had a chance to play in
Week seventeen and break the record because there was going
to be an asterisk atash because he had extra time anyway,
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So that makes me wonder a little bit. But again,
we talked about this as a regarded Steve Sarkisi and
his job is to win a championship. It's not to
be loyal to Quinn viewers or anybody else you You know,
that sounds nice, but that's not the business that you're in,
and sports is a cutthroat business. What is the job
of Nick Sirianni at least for the next month or
month and a half until maybe he gets replaced, you
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never know, but his job is to win a championship.
What's the smartest thing to do, Probably not put the
guy out there for extra work and extra hit who's
actually dealt with injuries in his career that you're absolutely
gonna need if you're gonna win a championship this year.
So I think this is probably the smart play. Actually
I know it's the smart play. You kind of look
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at it and you say, well, that would have been
nice to have maybe seen him go after the record,
But now you know that he's going to be healthy
for you the first game that you play in the playoffs,
and I don't know what else you need to prove.
I mean, Dan Campbell did what Dan Campbell did on Monday,
and a lot of people went after him for it.
You like him for certain things that sometimes there's a
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double edged stward to his aggressiveness and his philosophy. You
get what you get because you have Dan Campbell, but
at the same time he can cost you a little bit.
This is a mature move and really the smartest move
that you can make when you have a team. If
you didn't think you had a chance to win a championship,
you could make the playoffs, but you don't think you
could win a championship, you probably play. But this is
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a team with championship aspirations. The defense has played well
this year. You've got two absolute just dogs at wide
receiver Hurts. Hurts is coming around a little bit in
the back half of the season in terms of his
ability to throw the football and find his targets. And
then you've got Barkley. So you want to make sure
that those guys are as pristine as humanly possible. And
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so I think that this is probably the move that
you should make.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah, I'll just say two things really quick on Saquon
before you switch gears a little bit. One is that
I think you know, listen, obviously, there's literally nothing at
stake except for a record, and I think what's worth
noting is, listen, you know, this isn't the old days.
The top two teams don't get buys, and so it's
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like you're gonna put them out there to set up now,
like if he wanted to be one thing. But even
if you wanted to, you got to remember, like if
you're playing Saquan, you basically got to.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Play all your starters, right you know.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I heard Rob Parker and Kerry Rhades talking about this
when I was driving into to the to the studio today.
Is like, you know, you're not gonna put him in
against the backup O line. You're not gonna put him
in if the defense is playing second stringers and so
so it's like you either got to play everybody or
you gotta sit Saquon. And also, I think the point
that I was gonna get to a second ago was
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that there is no buy too. It's like, you know,
if you knew you were getting the week off, maybe
you play him for a series or two and hope
he breaks a big run. But it's like, it's not
just the long term injuries, it's just the short term
of Uh. To your point, jmart is like, as a
team that really could legitimately win the Super Bowl, you
just want to be as fresh as you can be
going into the playoff game that you were gonna inevitably
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have here in a few weeks, So I have no
no big picture problem with it at all. I think
it's the right decision, and I actually think it's really
kind of a non decision. And that's why I was
even hesitant to bring it up, as like I said,
I don't think there's really a decision to make when
you're kind of sitting there saying, we wait a second,
We're probably gonna have to play everybody, h and we probably.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Don't want to do that a week before the playoffs begin.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
By the way, I know I said NFL Draft talk here,
but we might as well hit on this really quick
NFL MVP. I know it's the hot button issue of
the week, but since we're talking Saquan, it feels like
a nice time to kind of bring this together. And
it's funny because you know, you and I were on
air Saturday night, right after the Bengals game when Joe
Burrow rallied the Bengals to beat Denver. Obviously, now Cincinnati
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needs both a Denver loss to Kansas City as well
as a Miami loss to make the playoffs. But listen,
I think Joe Burrow has had an incredible year. I
just don't think he's realistically an MVP candidate, solely because
of the fact that his team is almost certainly going
to miss the playoffs. But of that group, Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen, and Saquon Barkley, who do you like to
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take home the trophy or who do you think should
take home the trophy? If you were a one man
voting committee and we basically assume that none of those
guys are going to play very much this weekend. I
know Josh Allen is expected to start, but not probably play.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The whole game. What do you think the MVP comes
down to or who do you think should win it?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I mean, I think it's very hard to give it
to anybody but a quarterback. We've seen that increasingly as
the game has moved towards the quarterbacks. Despite the fact
that you've seen two running backs in the NFL this
year with Barkley at the top and then Derrek Henry
is still doing a lot of work in Baltimore. Both
of them have the benefit of a lot of talent
around them. The thing that I always felt was so
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unreal about Derrick Henry was Henry. He basically was Ashton
Genty when he was in Tennessee for a lot of
that time where teams just stacked against him and he
still was able to rip off yards against him. Where
Saquon's got, I mean, you have to look for AJ Brown.
Of course Derek Henry had AJ in Tennessee as well,
but you had to look for Aj. You have to
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look for Devonte Smith. Hurts can hurt you like there's
a lot of different weapons there. Saquon was good with
the Giants. We knew he was a talented back, but
it was the Giants. The difference for Saquon this year
is he's with the Eagles. So I look at his
situation improved, Derrick Henry's situation improved from Tennessee going to Baltimore,
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and then you can look at some of the other
guys that are part of the MVP list. Lamar Jackson's
situation improved because he got Derrick Henry and he got
more pass catchers, and so a lot of the guys
that you could put into this mix have found themselves
into better situations, except for Josh Allen, because coming into
the season, I think the Bills were one of those
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teams many thought were going to take a step in
the backwards direction. Losing Stefan Diggs, we weren't sure what
their receiving core was going to be. Almost everybody he
threw to last year was not on the team anymore.
They were elsewhere in the league. So what was Josh
Allen going to do? Well? All he's done is gone
out and be stellar. And of course we don't talk
about Jared Goff enough and we should probably throw him
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into this mix as well, because he's been nothing short
of tremendous for Detroit. But I think it's Josh Allen's
award this show. It's a regular season award. We'll find
out what happens in the postseason and who ends up
carrying the hardware. At the end of it, one of
these guys and their teams likely will be the champion.
But I think that Josh Allen has had the season
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this year where I give the nod to him.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I've kind of gone back and forth on this. First
of all. I first of all, I don't like this
notion that it's like, oh, we're only giving it to
Josh because of voter fatigue. It's like, stop it, okay,
for you know, it's like, because here's the thing is that, yes,
I understand that statistically Lamar Jackson is having, you know,
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the best season of his careers. The stats are better
than his two previous MVP seasons, And I understand that
this isn't statistically Josh Allen's best season ever. And I
understand the argument that, hey, if you know, if he
didn't win it in previous seasons when he put up this, this, this,
and this, then why are you gonna give it to
him now? What I would say, though, is like kind
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text does matter, and the context that matters is a
couple of things. Is One, a point that you've brought
up on our show a few times and you just
brought up right now, is that this offseason was built
around getting Lamar Jackson help. And by the way, let
me just even backtrack and say, when we talk, when
we share our thoughts on a guy as an MVP,
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we're not tearing down the other guy.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
But you can only give the award to one guy.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
So it's gonna sound like I'm tearing down Lamar Jackson
and I hate him and I don't think he deserves
and whatever, blah blah blah. But what I would say
is is that, like with Lamar. To your point, they
brought in Derrick Henry, which has changed the entire landscape
of that offense, and I think has really allowed Lamar
to have a lot of the success that he has had,
not that he didn't have success without Dereck Henry. Here's
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the part about Josh Allen that not enough people I
don't feel like are talking about is that, yes, the
numbers aren't as good as they have been in previous years. One,
they're incredible, we know that. But two, this was supposed
to be the year that the Bills kind of sort
of regressed as an organization because this was kind of
the year that you kind of had to pay the
piper on the big Josh Allen extension. Stefan Diggs gone,
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Gabe Davis gone, some of the defensive guys, Poyer gone.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You know, you go on and on down the list.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Like to say that his numbers aren't as good as
they were is fine, but there needs to be some
context there that, oh, by the way, they had to
get rid of a lot of guys that they probably
didn't want to get rid of to pay Josh Allen.
And you know, for again, just just because of the
nature of how the salary cap work. So that's my
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Josh Allen take. I would probably give it to him
as well. I will say that as the week has
gone on, I do think we probably I think Saquon
should be more in the conversation than he is. I'm
just looking at FanDuel right now, Josh Allen the heavy
favorite at minus four hundred, Lamar Jackson at plus two thirty.
Then it's actually Joe Burrow at plus three thousand, and
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then Saquon beyond him at four thousand at plus four thousand.
And I understand the argument of the NFL being a
quarterback driven league, but I am one of these people
and it drives me crazy. Is I still believe that
the word value should be an important component to the
MVP most Valuable Player conversation. And I look at Saquon
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and I just sit there and say, you know, not
only is he having a near record setting season, but
I also think it's like worth noting like you talk
about the actual value. I can't say he's more valuable
than Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen to
his team, but you do think about the fact where
this organization was literally one year ago today everything was
falling apart. Remember there was like real conversation of should
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Nick Sirianni even be back this year. They obviously decided
to do that, but they had to revamp the entire
coaching staff. You know, questions about Jalen Hurts coming out
of last year, and now you look at where they
are a year later, and they are a very much
a Super Bowl contender. Jalen Hurt looks better obviously. We
know he's a little banged up right now, but when
he's been in he looks better because they have a
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competent run game. Sirianni, I know, to your point in
theory could be fired if things go really sideways in
the playoffs. But I just bring it up because the
guy probably saved Nick Sirianni's job. We have a little
bit of a different perspective on Jalen Hurts. You know,
I don't think it's out of the realm with possibility
that somebody like Kellen Moore. I mean, think about how
many job openings there could be and how many quality
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candidates there really are that Kellen Moore could get a
job out of this. So I just I that's a
six minute rant to get to the point that I'm
not sure that I would give it to Saquan over
Josh Allen, but I do think that probably Saquan should
be a little deeper in the conversation than maybe he
is at this point.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair. I mean, certainly
they're not going to be able to do what they
might be able to do in the postseason without what
he's done. And he has really made life a lot
easier on the pass game, which really didn't come around
for much of the season, was the defense at Sakuon
Barkley that was winning them games. There was a lot
(26:04):
of just kind of murmuring about jal when Hurts regressing
this year, even with Kellen Moore, and I do think
Moore has certainly gotten better as the season has gone along,
and the receivers have gotten healthier as well. But I
think that the Saquon points well taken. I still think
it's Josh Allen's award, And you look at valuable. Gosh,
it's tough to try and you know, split hairs about
(26:28):
value when it comes to a lot of these guys,
because I mean, the Bengals without Joe Burrow are a
sub five hundred football team, even with those two insane
pass catchers that he has up there. The Bills without
Josh Allen, I don't even know what they are, but
they're not good. They really aren't. And I think across
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the board, you can take it. You can take these
guys away, and you see that they're all incredibly valuable.
It's hard, and that's just the way it is. Like
sometimes the award goes to one when it could go
to multiple guys, and I think to whoever wins it,
the other guy is going to have a good argument
as to why it could have been him, And in
this case, maybe two or three guys might have that spot.
(27:12):
I think it will be Allen's award. I think Say
Kwan should come in second in the voting, and I
think that's probably how it will go.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Since we promised before the break to do a little
NFL draft talk, let's go ahead and do that right now.
NFL Draft odds were not odds, excuse me, but NFL
draft order completely shaken up over the weekend. Obviously part
of that. The New York Giants get a win, they
were in position to have the number one pick. They
get a victory, the LAS Vegas Raiders get a victory,
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they fall all the way down to the number eight
spot as things currently stand, What do you make of
what this draft order looks like? And then more importantly,
what do you do if you're the New England Patriots.
Do you take probably Travis Hunter? Do you try to
trade out? Do you think that? I mean, I would
assume I know that that both quarterbacks. People have questions
(28:02):
about Shdor Sanders and cam Ward, but I just feel
like with all the teams in the top ten that
clearly need a quarterback, somebody would be willing to trade up.
If you were running the Patriots, are you trying to
trade out of that number one spot?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
I mean, if you take I think you take, You're
gonna take Travis Hunter, or you're gonna try to get
a bounty. You know that you've got your quarterback. I'm
gonna say and predict now that Mike Vrabel's going to
be the next head coach in New England.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Wow, this is obviously for next season, so not just
the next coach, but they're going to fire girod Mayo
and Mike Rabel will be the head coach in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yes, whether fair or not. I think that the unique
chance to bring in a guy that's this beloved as Verrabel,
who has shown the kind of culture building and things
like that that you want as a head coach, and
has even been able to win without the best roster
and do all those kinds of things. It's just somebody
that they absolutely love the organization, loves the fan, loves
(29:03):
the city, loves all that I think. And now the
Browns have given him permission to go ahead and leave
the team early and go ahead and start interviewing, and
he has said through back channels that he wants to
go somewhere that has either the quarterback of the future
or is planning to go get him. And so I
look at it and I think that it's going to
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be drag may And so if it's Drake May, I
think it's going to be Mike Rabel. I think they
will move on. And this is nothing against Mayo, because
I don't know that he hasn't proven that he could
ever coach. But it hasn't gone well, and I don't
think the fans are behind him right now. I know
what Robert Kraft has said. I think Rabel's going to
be the guy I'm reading too many articles from people
that are suggesting it, who are saying, you know, maybe
(29:44):
we should keep an arrow keep our eye on this.
Who are people that when I read it, I say,
you already know something like there's already something behind this.
Usually when something is said, something has already been done.
And I feel like Rabel's going to be the guy.
So then the question is do you trade this to
a team that needs a quarterback at one and give
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up on the best talent perhaps in the draft in
Travis Hunter, or do you take the best available. I
actually think if the Patriots have the number one pick,
they may just keep it and take Travis Hunter. That's
just my overall feeling. I also laugh at the Giants
and just say, man, really, I know you guys desperately
(30:28):
need a quarterback. And I know the argument right Dable's
coaching for his job. These players are coaching for their
livelihood or playing for their livelihood. They want to go
out there and win. I think we could have a
long discussion as to whether or not it's fair for
a fan base to just be infuriated with their team
for winning after being terrible all year long and costing
themselves the future as well as a present that's non existent.
(30:51):
And if you're the Giants, like Drew Locke goes and
gets forty points, I know, like only the Giants, Like
it is amazing to me. Patriots don't even need a
quarterback and it falls directly into their lap. And now
if the Giants want to get their guy, if they
wanted the number one pick, they're gonna have to give
up assets in order to go back up there and
(31:14):
get him. And maybe you're still going to fire the
coach anyway, Like just unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Now it is, and it was just such an interesting week.
And you know what, we got another hour and a half.
So maybe we come back and talk a little bit
about that. Patriots have the first pick, but what should
the you know, who's going to trade up to them?
I like your Mike Rabel thing, by the way, caught
me out of left field, because we.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
What's funny is you asked me the question on our
Saturday program and I said Girot Mayo was going to
be back. I know, well hard Look, I'm not suggesting
that I was wrong. I'm just continuing to look at
new information and the more I thought about it, and
just reading a couple of people's stuff, I'm just like,
you know what, I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
And I think that's what I think. You can't be
(31:58):
stubborn into your TA when you get new information. You
can't just disregard what you're seeing. And it really has
not gone well for Girai Mayo. And you have a
unique opportunity because Raybol is going to take a job
in this cycle somewhere, whether it's Chicago or wherever he
thinks there's going to be a quarterback scenario. But that's
why I look at it. If he wants to go
(32:19):
somewhere that has a quarterback, he's almost saying, yeah, I
want to go back to New England because I mean
he was just put into the you know, Ring of
Fame and all that stuff up there. But he knows
they've got the guy everybody's singing Drake May's praises. So
he goes there. He's got his guy second year in
and he's able to go ahead and use his draft
stock or his draft capital to either get multiple picks
(32:43):
or go get the best guy on the board. I
just think it's a no brainer.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Now, well, and I'll just say really quick.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
One, you know, I found it interesting because the narrative
kind of emerged to me like out of nowhere, really
like middle to the end of last week, in the
lead up the loss to the Chargers on Saturday. But two,
I think the other thing is is, like you said,
is I think it's really tough to fire a first
year head coach, especially you know, when it was a
(33:12):
rebuilding situation as it was. We talked about this on
our Saturday show. But it's not like, you know, if
you took over an eleven and six team and you're
three and whatever, three and thirteen going into the final week,
that's a different conversation or four and thirteen or whatever
they're that's a different conversation than taking over a bad situation.
Bill Belichick gets fired or basically steps aside, whatever however
(33:35):
terminology you want to use. But it's different with this
situation versus taking over a good thing. But I do
think there is something there. I also think it's tough
to do that unless you can get a guy that
is a clear upgrade and that you know you're going
to get him, and so you know, this feels like
one of those situations where if Geron Mayo is let go,
(33:56):
you have to feel pretty pretty good that Mike Vrabel
is already in to tell you what, Jason, we could
come back and keep this conversation goal because I think
the draft order is interesting. I think the Patriots future
is interesting. I think the two quarterbacks at the top
of the draft are interesting, especially now that there's a
shakeup and somebody could potentially have to move up to
get one of the two. We'll discuss cam Ward Schador
(34:18):
Sanders and the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
That's all next.
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Speaker 4 (34:34):
Welcome back, everybody. This is the Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmon. Jason Smith and Mike Harmon are out. They
will be back on Thursday night. Aeron Torres, Jason Martin
in until two a m. Eastern time. So yeah, we're
just having that so fun conversation about twenty twenty five
NFL Draft. Some results from the weekend change things up obviously.
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The New York Giants one, they fall to the number
four spot from the number one pick. Jacksonville beats Tennessee,
they fall to number five. The Las Vegas Raiders, with
a win, fall to number eighth really quick. You know,
jaymart I don't even know if I've ever asked you
this one. Do you have a do you have like
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a quarterback, like a guy that if you were picking first,
because obviously it feels like most everybody it's it's either
Shad or Sanders or cam Ward. Do you have a
preference on either? Do you believe they are the two
best quarterbacks in the draft? Is that who you would
take if you were the New York Giants, if you
were the Las Vegas Raiders you needed a quarterback? Because
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it feels like it's pretty consensus they're number one, number two,
and then, assuming there's no surprise draft decisions we talked
about Drew Aler earlier, Assuming there's no surprise draft decisions,
it feels like there's they're number one and two, and
then it's going to be a big drop off after that.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yeah, whoever it is, whether it's Carson Back or whoever. Yes,
it's a two quarterback draft, which is why if you're
THES and you find a way to fall to four
in a two quarterback draft where you don't currently have
one on your roster, it's kind of just it's unfathomably
bad for you as a fan if you're looking at
that for your future. I think Shador Maybe it would
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depend on the situation. There might be some situations where
I think Cam might fit in better than should do
or should do or you know. I think it's gonna
have to be the right It's gonna have to be
the right situation for either one of those two guys.
I think probably I would go with Shadur, but I
don't know that. I'm might really just over the moon
(36:38):
about one over the other. I think both of them
have the potential to be solid starters in the league.
They have a lot of flash to them, they have
a lot of ability to them. They're both confident football players.
I think they're both ready for what is to come.
I don't know what their ceilings are. I'm gonna have
to look and see what some of the draft analysts
(36:58):
say once they start really breaking down and their pros
and cons and what they can do on the NFL level,
I think I would favor Shadoor, but it wouldn't be
by much.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
What about you, So I would favor Shador. I think that,
you know, cam Ward really talented. He does get a
little loose with the ball and it's like no disrespect,
But the way that he played at Miami, I don't
know that he can just do that at the NFL level.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
And so with.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Shadoor, it's interesting because I feel like it was like
consensus Shador number one.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Then the Alima bowle happened.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
And by the way, I don't know if you saw
the ratings, the Alima Bowl numbers were actually like huge.
It was like eight and a half million people watch
that game.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
No one should be surprised.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, I mean you know.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And by the way, this was always the argument I
had with Arnie Spanneer was like, oh, meaningless Bowl games.
It's like, well, a lot of people seem to care
about him for it being so meaningless.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
But another conversation for another day.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And I don't know if it's just because so many
people were watching it and Colorado was so bad, but
it's like, I don't know that Shador Sanders was bad.
I just know that that old line couldn't block anybody,
and he didn't have time in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And so to me, I think it's Shador.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
You know, he's he's accurate, he's got a big arm,
you know, Pat Shermer, whatever you think about him as
an NFL head coach, he's clearly a guy with a
lot of experience, you know, Shaudor running an NFL style offense.
And I just don't I don't think like, like, the
best of Shador is obviously incredible, but I think even
the worst of Shador, I'm not trying to do the
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thing where you just blindly defend Dion and Colorado and
and and Shador. But but like the worst of Shador.
Part of it is the old line was not good,
and he did have to throw the He not only
had to throw the football a lot, but he had
to throw it under duress a lot. I mean, I
think Colorado, I'm not gonna look it up right this second,
but I believe they finished last in college football in
rushing yardage again for a second straight season. And so
(38:51):
I just bring it up because, yeah, they did finish
dead last in rushing offense in college football, and so
I just bring it up because I think it's easy
to sit there and say, oh, you know, well that
Alamo Bowl a lot of questions, and it's like, well,
Oline wasn't very good. There was no run game, they
fell behind early. So Shadoor to me is QB one
for sure. And I think unless the Patriots just absolutely
(39:14):
assuming the Patriots keep the pick, it's like, I just
don't think that if I'm if I'm taking if I'm
taking a QB and I have the choice between the two,
I do think it would be Shadoor.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
All right, So I'm gonna play Devil's advocate and say
this what you just argued about what Shador had to
endure at Colorado, who usually has the first pick in
the draft.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yes, I think the team with.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
A terrible offensive line that has struggled, that maybe doesn't
have a ton of weapons. So he's walking into a
situation where he's probably gonna be under duress unless they
do a lot in the offseason or have a really
good draft around him in terms of getting guys to
protect him who are then going to be young in
the league. So I'm not necessarily disagreeing because I said
before you that I would also go with Shadour. But
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I do think that that is part of it, that
he's still going to have that same kind of challenge
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
It's an interesting point. It was bad though Colorado. It
was bad at Colorado. I'm not undermining your point. I'm
just saying it. I don't think people realize how bad
it was unless people are like you and I had
watched all of their games.
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I just told you, eritors, Jason Martin taking you up
till two am Eastern time. College football final to college
football quarterfinals on New Year's Day one on New Year's
even of course, the Sugar Bowl, which would have been
ending right about now, unfortunately tragically has been postponed until
Thursday at four pm Eastern time because of the senseless
(01:19):
tragedy in New Orleans. Speak for everybody at Fox Sports
Radio when I say that myself, Jason Martin, everybody here
at Fox Sports Radio. Our thoughts are with everybody in
New Orleans and of course the families that have been
impacted again by the senseless tragedy in New Orleans on
New Year's Day morning, and we're gonna try to entertain
you here till two am Eastern time. I do want
(01:40):
to get back to a conversation that we had earlier
in the show, Jay mart Ohio State. So, Ohio State,
of course goes to the Rose Bowl coming off that
great win against Tennessee. But I don't want to say you,
but I did. A lot of people, including me, said, Okay,
it was great against Tennessee, but you were at home
(02:02):
for three weeks. You heard how terrible you were after
you lost to Michigan. It's gonna be an different deal
facing Oregon in the rows. Bah Oregon's different. They already
beat you. They're a really good team. They're undefeated Big
Ten champion, and those Ohio State buck guys better watch
out well as it turns out it should have been
Oregoned that was watching out because that game was over
basically as soon as it started. Oregon jumped out or
(02:24):
Ohio State jumped out to a thirty four nothing lead
over Oregon. Oregon scores a touchdown an extra two point
conversion just before halftime. They did score to cut the
score to forty thirty four to fifteen about midway through
the third quarter, but it would never really get closer
than that. Ohio State scores just a few minutes later
they go up forty one to fifteen. They cruised to
a forty one twenty one victory over over Oregon. I
(02:48):
think there's a lot of conversations to have here, j Mark,
but I think it just starts point blank, where did
this come from from Ohio State? Because the last two
weeks they have looked like the team that many thought
was the best team in college football coming into the year.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I mean, it's just I guess here's the thing. As
long as it shows up in time, I guess it
doesn't matter. The Michigan situation notwithstanding, I mean, that's just
an awful loss, and it looks worse and more baffling
by the week. Or even by the day when you
start to look at what Ohio State's done over these
(03:24):
past couple of games. But I mean Dan Lanning after
the game after the Rose Bowl basically just said they
kicked our rear ends completely, like he made zero excuses,
even said, I'm not gonna make excuses. They clicked tonight
and we didn't and I didn't get our team prepared.
So I mean he took it all like he said, Nope,
we weren't prepared to play. They were better than us.
(03:48):
He said, they were clicking on all cylinders. We really
didn't have the ability to stop them, and we didn't
have the ability to get something going for us on offense.
That's the quote from Dan Lanning. The team that played them,
and we saw Tennessee like Tennessee's pretty good football team.
Ohio State made them look bad in that game. My wife,
we're watching the first half of the Rose Ball. She's
a Tennessee fan, and she said, she's just like, man,
(04:09):
I feel a little bit better. And I bet a
lot of Tennessee fans said the same thing, because sometimes
you watch a team beat your team and you say, man,
I hope they go win it all, and that might
be exactly what you're about to see Oregon. The problem
for Oregon was they saw Ohio State too fast. So
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this is really going to look bad for them because
they didn't have the opportunity to even win a college
football playoff game despite being the overall number one seed.
There will be changes made to that in the future.
But Lanning even said, he's like, yeah, you know, we
got that we had to play him first, but you're
gonna have to play good teams at some point in
this tournament, and we ran into one and we got
beat And all credit to him for the way that
(04:49):
he can the way that he talked after this game
take an ownership. But I mean this was as thorough
a butt kicking as you're going to see. The first
half against Tennessee and the first staff against Oregon are
two of the best halves of football I've ever seen
a college football team play like you look at them
on both sides of the ball, offense, defense, Will Howard
(05:10):
throwing dimes to Abuca and certainly to Jeremiah Smith. Jeremiah Smith,
I had his stats in front of me, just for
these last two games alone, has a let's see, he's
had two hundred and ninety yards and four touchdowns in
these two games. On thirteen receptions, he averaged seventeen point
(05:32):
two per catch against Tennessee. He averaged twenty six point
seven against Oregon. He looks like he's an NFL player
that just came back to play with the young guys. Yeah,
I mean literally, like he's got an NFL body already.
Like you looked at Marvin Harrison, and Marvin Harrison Junior
was an absolute beast. This is nothing against him, except
(05:54):
that he looked a little bit like he still needed
to grow a little bit in terms of just a
little he wasn't quite as filled out. You look at
Jeremiah Smith and he looks like he already has his
NFL body, Like he's ready to go that. You know this, Aaron,
there are guys that are coming out of college basketball.
It's like, well, he's got to get his NBA body.
Jeremiah Smith's ready. He's six four, two point twenty. He's
(06:15):
got incredible lower body strength, He's got unbelievable hands. If
you throw it in his vicinity, he's going to go
up and make the play. They they're just like, I'm
stunned that it took this long, but all they have
to do is win two more games and they win
the national Championship. And yes, they lost to Michigan, but
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I do think that if you win the national Championship,
you're gonna be okay. If you're Ryan Day, I will
say that now you have put yourself in a spot
where we've seen what Ohio State should look like. So
you now have to go ahead and finish this thing.
Because I don't look at any other team that's left
and feel like they should have a shot to beat
(06:56):
this Ohio State team if they show up the way
they have in the first two rounds of this tournament.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Well, and that's where I think a lot of the
you know, for I don't, I actually don't think this
is happening, But you know, I think there there can
be some revisionist history of like, well, you know, all
you guys that want to Ryan Day far, do you
sure look silly now? And it's like, I don't really
feel like we're getting that because I think everybody understands
that Ohio State was always capable of playing the way
(07:22):
that they have the last two games. It's just a
matter of why didn't it come sooner? And so I
think that's exactly what it is. Is whatever happened in
those two three weeks after the Michigan game, and I
think part of it is just human nature of like
they probably did hear it. They probably you know, listen,
we we all know how the world is now.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
It's unavoidable some of the stuff.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
And you know, it used to just be sports talk
radio what you and I are doing right now filling
in for Jason Smith and Mike Harmon. But now it's
it's social media. It's it's it's it's it's Instagram, it's Twitter,
it's this, it's that, it's you know, you can't get
away from it. And so I don't know what it was,
but whatever it was, it has clearly inspired them. And
I'm with you is I just think it's hard for
(08:05):
me to see the scenario where if they play to
their capability, that anyone really has any chance of beating
them going forward. A couple quick thoughts. One, Jeremiah Smith.
You mentioned him. I just want to put this out there.
We referenced Dane Brugler, who is an NFL draft expert
for the Athletic We referenced him earlier when we were
talking about Drew Aller, the quarterback at Penn State. But
(08:30):
Dan Brugler during the broadcast today tweeted out quote, Jeremiah
Smith would go number one in this draft, no doubt
in my mind. All I'll say is, listen, I meant one.
It's just a hypothetical that we know will never happen.
He's not eligible, by the way, until the twenty twenty
seven NFL Draft, which just sounds like some futuristic time
(08:53):
that isn't nearly as far away as it actually sounds
like it is. But he's not even eligible till the
twenty twenty seven NFL Draft. And but two, I'm with you,
I don't know that at this age I've ever seen anything.
And I know I'm not saying anything like that other
people haven't said, but it's like, I don't know I've
ever seen anybody like him, because, like you said, there's
(09:13):
been guys that have been fast, there have been guys
that have made plays as a freshman, but he just
he just physically looks like a guy that's twenty six,
twenty seven years old.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And you know, I think you mentioned it.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
In a tweet or in a text to me, but
it's like if he was eligible right now. I just
don't know how many guys, how many how many teams
in the NFL, And it sounds crazy, but I don't
think it's h hyperbole. How many teams in the NFL
feel like they have a guy at wide receiver one
that's better than him. I mean there's a few, but
there's just not that many. He is a very special player.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
Yeah, I mean, there's nothing to add there. I mean,
he's he's got everything that you want. And Brugler comparing
him to Jones, it's just funny because one of the
things that was said about Julio Jones was something that
are in the first hour said, which is a reason
to go back, by the way, if you miss any
part of this show any day, go listen to Jason
(10:07):
and Mike on the podcast, but certainly check us out tonight.
But because we had Josh Perry on who played on
the Urban Meyer championship team and works on Big Ten
coverage for the NBC, and he called Jeremih Smith an alien,
and that's what Julio Jones was referred to a lot
at Alabama. He was called an alien. And if you're
(10:30):
being compared to Julio Jones before you even enter the
NFL draft. This is the first time, like you have
this argument once in a while where all these as buals.
I mean, this guy's got to stay in school for
a couple of more years. And most of the time
it's bluster and it's puffery and it's a little bit overdone.
(10:51):
In this case, I kind of agree, Like in this case,
it's almost sad that he has to stay in college.
It really is, like there have been like Trevor Lawrence.
I remember we had this conversation about Trevor Lawrence years ago,
even that like you could almost see he still needed time.
Jeremi Smith needs nothing. But Jeremiah Smith just needs a
needs A needs the ability to be drafted. And Dame
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Bruggler is right, like he would leap off this board.
The New England Patriots would run to the podium to
draft Jeremiah Smith if they had the opportunity to do so.
In this draft, they're not going to. But whoever gets drafted,
all due respect to the receivers that will be draftable
in this draft, you're gonna be looking at the dude
that you can't get, like why can't we get him?
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Like can we at least put a pre order down
on him so that when he's available, we can just
come to the store and pick him up, Because that
dude is NFL ready right now.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
So I'll tell you what, ja Mart, We are going
to spend the next segment kind of previewing the Texas
Jet Texas Ohio State game. But since I think both
of us have made it pretty clear that if Texas
plays the way that they did against Aras on a
state and frankly, the way they've played most of the
last five or six weeks, they're not going to win,
maybe we come back and talk a little bit of
NFL draft, because you and I are on air on
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Saturday nights, and I think we went through all the
scenarios with cam Ward last week and Shador Sanders and
all that, and then of course everybody wins except the
New England Patriots, and now they got the number one pick,
and so maybe we come back talk a little NFL draft.
Those two quarterbacks at the top, a team that does
not need the quarterback and does not need a quarterback,
excuse me, and what do they do and what has
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become a very interesting NFL draft going forward.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Aaron Torres, Jason Martin.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
We are filling in for Jason Smith and Mike Harmon,
taking you up till two am Eastern time Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 3 (12:51):
Welcome back, everybody.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
This is The Day Smith Show with Mike Harmon, Jason Smith, Aaron,
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon are out. Aaron or as in,
Jason Martin are in. We are taking up till two
am Eastern time. We've talked a lot of college football.
I do want to switch gears to a little NFL
Jason real quick before we get to some of the
NFL draft stuff. It is worth noting that, as Chris
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Purfett told us at the top of the hour, U
Nick Sirianni officially announced today that Saquon Barkley will not
be playing in the Week eighteen game for.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
The Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
Philadelphia has not only clinched the NFC East, they are
locked into the two seed. There is nothing that they
can do to change their their position in the in
the playoffs going forward, and so I'm curious. I don't
think I'll leave it up to you any surprise, disappointment,
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anything like that on Saquon decide, not deciding, but the
team deciding that Saquon would not play in Week eight.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
Team No, I mean, you always want to see possibility
of a record being broken, unless you're Eric Dickerson. Yeah,
he came right out and said nora until he really
feels yeah, which look, honestly, I'm glad he did because
I think more people the whole records feel that way
than don't, and they'll come out and say, oh, it's
gonna be so nice when he breaks my record. I
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don't think anybody. A lot of people don't want to
see their records get broken. Yeah, I wonder if this
would be the same if this were a sixteen game
season and say Quon had a chance to play in
Week seventeen and break the record because there was going
to be an asterisk atash because he had extra time anyway,
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So that makes me wonder a little bit. But again,
we talked about this as a regarded Steve Sarkisi and
his job is to win a championship. It's not to
be loyal to Quinn viewers or anybody else you You know,
that sounds nice, but that's not the business that you're in,
and sports is a cutthroat business. What is the job
of Nick Sirianni at least for the next month or
month and a half until maybe he gets replaced, you
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never know, but his job is to win a championship.
What's the smartest thing to do, Probably not put the
guy out there for extra work and extra hit who's
actually dealt with injuries in his career that you're absolutely
gonna need if you're gonna win a championship this year.
So I think this is probably the smart play. Actually
I know it's the smart play. You kind of look
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at it and you say, well, that would have been
nice to have maybe seen him go after the record,
But now you know that he's going to be healthy
for you the first game that you play in the playoffs,
and I don't know what else you need to prove.
I mean, Dan Campbell did what Dan Campbell did on Monday,
and a lot of people went after him for it.
You like him for certain things that sometimes there's a
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double edged stward to his aggressiveness and his philosophy. You
get what you get because you have Dan Campbell, but
at the same time he can cost you a little bit.
This is a mature move and really the smartest move
that you can make when you have a team. If
you didn't think you had a chance to win a championship,
you could make the playoffs, but you don't think you
could win a championship, you probably play. But this is
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a team with championship aspirations. The defense has played well
this year. You've got two absolute just dogs at wide
receiver Hurts. Hurts is coming around a little bit in
the back half of the season in terms of his
ability to throw the football and find his targets. And
then you've got Barkley. So you want to make sure
that those guys are as pristine as humanly possible. And
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so I think that this is probably the move that
you should make.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
Yeah, I'll just say two things really quick on Saquon
before you switch gears a little bit. One is that
I think you know, listen, obviously, there's literally nothing at
stake except for a record, and I think what's worth
noting is, listen, you know, this isn't the old days.
The top two teams don't get buys, and so it's
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like you're gonna put them out there to set up now,
like if he wanted to be one thing. But even
if you wanted to, you got to remember, like if
you're playing Saquan, you basically got to.
Speaker 3 (16:54):
Play all your starters, right you know.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
I heard Rob Parker and Kerry Rhades talking about this
when I was driving into to the to the studio today.
Is like, you know, you're not gonna put him in
against the backup O line. You're not gonna put him
in if the defense is playing second stringers and so
so it's like you either got to play everybody or
you gotta sit Saquon. And also, I think the point
that I was gonna get to a second ago was
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that there is no buy too. It's like, you know,
if you knew you were getting the week off, maybe
you play him for a series or two and hope
he breaks a big run. But it's like, it's not
just the long term injuries, it's just the short term
of Uh. To your point, jmart is like, as a
team that really could legitimately win the Super Bowl, you
just want to be as fresh as you can be
going into the playoff game that you were gonna inevitably
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have here in a few weeks, So I have no
no big picture problem with it at all. I think
it's the right decision, and I actually think it's really
kind of a non decision. And that's why I was
even hesitant to bring it up, as like I said,
I don't think there's really a decision to make when
you're kind of sitting there saying, we wait a second,
We're probably gonna have to play everybody, h and we probably.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Don't want to do that a week before the playoffs begin.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
By the way, I know I said NFL Draft talk here,
but we might as well hit on this really quick
NFL MVP. I know it's the hot button issue of
the week, but since we're talking Saquan, it feels like
a nice time to kind of bring this together. And
it's funny because you know, you and I were on
air Saturday night, right after the Bengals game when Joe
Burrow rallied the Bengals to beat Denver. Obviously, now Cincinnati
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needs both a Denver loss to Kansas City as well
as a Miami loss to make the playoffs. But listen,
I think Joe Burrow has had an incredible year. I
just don't think he's realistically an MVP candidate, solely because
of the fact that his team is almost certainly going
to miss the playoffs. But of that group, Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen, and Saquon Barkley, who do you like to
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take home the trophy or who do you think should
take home the trophy? If you were a one man
voting committee and we basically assume that none of those
guys are going to play very much this weekend. I
know Josh Allen is expected to start, but not probably play.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
The whole game. What do you think the MVP comes
down to or who do you think should win it?
Speaker 5 (19:03):
I mean, I think it's very hard to give it
to anybody but a quarterback. We've seen that increasingly as
the game has moved towards the quarterbacks. Despite the fact
that you've seen two running backs in the NFL this
year with Barkley at the top and then Derrek Henry
is still doing a lot of work in Baltimore. Both
of them have the benefit of a lot of talent
around them. The thing that I always felt was so
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unreal about Derrick Henry was Henry. He basically was Ashton
Genty when he was in Tennessee for a lot of
that time where teams just stacked against him and he
still was able to rip off yards against him. Where
Saquon's got, I mean, you have to look for AJ Brown.
Of course Derek Henry had AJ in Tennessee as well,
but you had to look for Aj. You have to
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look for Devonte Smith. Hurts can hurt you like there's
a lot of different weapons there. Saquon was good with
the Giants. We knew he was a talented back, but
it was the Giants. The difference for Saquon this year
is he's with the Eagles. So I look at his
situation improved, Derrick Henry's situation improved from Tennessee going to Baltimore,
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and then you can look at some of the other
guys that are part of the MVP list. Lamar Jackson's
situation improved because he got Derrick Henry and he got
more pass catchers, and so a lot of the guys
that you could put into this mix have found themselves
into better situations, except for Josh Allen, because coming into
the season, I think the Bills were one of those
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teams many thought were going to take a step in
the backwards direction. Losing Stefan Diggs, we weren't sure what
their receiving core was going to be. Almost everybody he
threw to last year was not on the team anymore.
They were elsewhere in the league. So what was Josh
Allen going to do? Well? All he's done is gone
out and be stellar. And of course we don't talk
about Jared Goff enough and we should probably throw him
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into this mix as well, because he's been nothing short
of tremendous for Detroit. But I think it's Josh Allen's
award this show. It's a regular season award. We'll find
out what happens in the postseason and who ends up
carrying the hardware. At the end of it, one of
these guys and their teams likely will be the champion.
But I think that Josh Allen has had the season
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this year where I give the nod to him.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
I've kind of gone back and forth on this. First
of all. I first of all, I don't like this
notion that it's like, oh, we're only giving it to
Josh because of voter fatigue. It's like, stop it, okay,
for you know, it's like, because here's the thing is that, yes,
I understand that statistically Lamar Jackson is having, you know,
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the best season of his careers. The stats are better
than his two previous MVP seasons, And I understand that
this isn't statistically Josh Allen's best season ever. And I
understand the argument that, hey, if you know, if he
didn't win it in previous seasons when he put up this, this, this,
and this, then why are you gonna give it to
him now? What I would say, though, is like kind
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text does matter, and the context that matters is a
couple of things. Is One, a point that you've brought
up on our show a few times and you just
brought up right now, is that this offseason was built
around getting Lamar Jackson help. And by the way, let
me just even backtrack and say, when we talk, when
we share our thoughts on a guy as an MVP,
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we're not tearing down the other guy.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
But you can only give the award to one guy.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
So it's gonna sound like I'm tearing down Lamar Jackson
and I hate him and I don't think he deserves
and whatever, blah blah blah. But what I would say
is is that, like with Lamar. To your point, they
brought in Derrick Henry, which has changed the entire landscape
of that offense, and I think has really allowed Lamar
to have a lot of the success that he has had,
not that he didn't have success without Dereck Henry. Here's
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the part about Josh Allen that not enough people I
don't feel like are talking about is that, yes, the
numbers aren't as good as they have been in previous years. One,
they're incredible, we know that. But two, this was supposed
to be the year that the Bills kind of sort
of regressed as an organization because this was kind of
the year that you kind of had to pay the
piper on the big Josh Allen extension. Stefan Diggs gone,
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Gabe Davis gone, some of the defensive guys, Poyer gone.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
You know, you go on and on down the list.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Like to say that his numbers aren't as good as
they were is fine, but there needs to be some
context there that, oh, by the way, they had to
get rid of a lot of guys that they probably
didn't want to get rid of to pay Josh Allen.
And you know, for again, just just because of the
nature of how the salary cap work. So that's my
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Josh Allen take. I would probably give it to him
as well. I will say that as the week has
gone on, I do think we probably I think Saquon
should be more in the conversation than he is. I'm
just looking at FanDuel right now, Josh Allen the heavy
favorite at minus four hundred, Lamar Jackson at plus two thirty.
Then it's actually Joe Burrow at plus three thousand, and
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then Saquon beyond him at four thousand at plus four thousand.
And I understand the argument of the NFL being a
quarterback driven league, but I am one of these people
and it drives me crazy. Is I still believe that
the word value should be an important component to the
MVP most Valuable Player conversation. And I look at Saquon
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and I just sit there and say, you know, not
only is he having a near record setting season, but
I also think it's like worth noting like you talk
about the actual value. I can't say he's more valuable
than Lamar Jackson or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen to
his team, but you do think about the fact where
this organization was literally one year ago today everything was
falling apart. Remember there was like real conversation of should
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Nick Sirianni even be back this year. They obviously decided
to do that, but they had to revamp the entire
coaching staff. You know, questions about Jalen Hurts coming out
of last year, and now you look at where they
are a year later, and they are a very much
a Super Bowl contender. Jalen Hurt looks better obviously. We
know he's a little banged up right now, but when
he's been in he looks better because they have a
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competent run game. Sirianni, I know, to your point in
theory could be fired if things go really sideways in
the playoffs. But I just bring it up because the
guy probably saved Nick Sirianni's job. We have a little
bit of a different perspective on Jalen Hurts. You know,
I don't think it's out of the realm with possibility
that somebody like Kellen Moore. I mean, think about how
many job openings there could be and how many quality
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candidates there really are that Kellen Moore could get a
job out of this. So I just I that's a
six minute rant to get to the point that I'm
not sure that I would give it to Saquan over
Josh Allen, but I do think that probably Saquan should
be a little deeper in the conversation than maybe he
is at this point.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair. I mean, certainly
they're not going to be able to do what they
might be able to do in the postseason without what
he's done. And he has really made life a lot
easier on the pass game, which really didn't come around
for much of the season, was the defense at Sakuon
Barkley that was winning them games. There was a lot
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of just kind of murmuring about jal when Hurts regressing
this year, even with Kellen Moore, and I do think
Moore has certainly gotten better as the season has gone along,
and the receivers have gotten healthier as well. But I
think that the Saquon points well taken. I still think
it's Josh Allen's award, And you look at valuable. Gosh,
it's tough to try and you know, split hairs about
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value when it comes to a lot of these guys,
because I mean, the Bengals without Joe Burrow are a
sub five hundred football team, even with those two insane
pass catchers that he has up there. The Bills without
Josh Allen, I don't even know what they are, but
they're not good. They really aren't. And I think across
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the board, you can take it. You can take these
guys away, and you see that they're all incredibly valuable.
It's hard, and that's just the way it is. Like
sometimes the award goes to one when it could go
to multiple guys, and I think to whoever wins it,
the other guy is going to have a good argument
as to why it could have been him, And in
this case, maybe two or three guys might have that spot.
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I think it will be Allen's award. I think Say
Kwan should come in second in the voting, and I
think that's probably how it will go.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Since we promised before the break to do a little
NFL draft talk, let's go ahead and do that right now.
NFL Draft odds were not odds, excuse me, but NFL
draft order completely shaken up over the weekend. Obviously part
of that. The New York Giants get a win, they
were in position to have the number one pick. They
get a victory, the LAS Vegas Raiders get a victory,
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they fall all the way down to the number eight
spot as things currently stand, What do you make of
what this draft order looks like? And then more importantly,
what do you do if you're the New England Patriots.
Do you take probably Travis Hunter? Do you try to
trade out? Do you think that? I mean, I would
assume I know that that both quarterbacks. People have questions
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about Shdor Sanders and cam Ward, but I just feel
like with all the teams in the top ten that
clearly need a quarterback, somebody would be willing to trade up.
If you were running the Patriots, are you trying to
trade out of that number one spot?
Speaker 5 (28:15):
I mean, if you take I think you take, You're
gonna take Travis Hunter, or you're gonna try to get
a bounty. You know that you've got your quarterback. I'm
gonna say and predict now that Mike Vrabel's going to
be the next head coach in New England.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Wow, this is obviously for next season, so not just
the next coach, but they're going to fire girod Mayo
and Mike Rabel will be the head coach in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 5 (28:41):
Yes, whether fair or not. I think that the unique
chance to bring in a guy that's this beloved as Verrabel,
who has shown the kind of culture building and things
like that that you want as a head coach, and
has even been able to win without the best roster
and do all those kinds of things. It's just somebody
that they absolutely love the organization, loves the fan, loves
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the city, loves all that I think. And now the
Browns have given him permission to go ahead and leave
the team early and go ahead and start interviewing, and
he has said through back channels that he wants to
go somewhere that has either the quarterback of the future
or is planning to go get him. And so I
look at it and I think that it's going to
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be drag may And so if it's Drake May, I
think it's going to be Mike Rabel. I think they
will move on. And this is nothing against Mayo, because
I don't know that he hasn't proven that he could
ever coach. But it hasn't gone well, and I don't
think the fans are behind him right now. I know
what Robert Kraft has said. I think Rabel's going to
be the guy I'm reading too many articles from people
that are suggesting it, who are saying, you know, maybe
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we should keep an arrow keep our eye on this.
Who are people that when I read it, I say,
you already know something like there's already something behind this.
Usually when something is said, something has already been done.
And I feel like Rabel's going to be the guy.
So then the question is do you trade this to
a team that needs a quarterback at one and give
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up on the best talent perhaps in the draft in
Travis Hunter, or do you take the best available. I
actually think if the Patriots have the number one pick,
they may just keep it and take Travis Hunter. That's
just my overall feeling. I also laugh at the Giants
and just say, man, really, I know you guys desperately
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need a quarterback. And I know the argument right Dable's
coaching for his job. These players are coaching for their
livelihood or playing for their livelihood. They want to go
out there and win. I think we could have a
long discussion as to whether or not it's fair for
a fan base to just be infuriated with their team
for winning after being terrible all year long and costing
themselves the future as well as a present that's non existent.
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And if you're the Giants, like Drew Locke goes and
gets forty points, I know, like only the Giants, Like
it is amazing to me. Patriots don't even need a
quarterback and it falls directly into their lap. And now
if the Giants want to get their guy, if they
wanted the number one pick, they're gonna have to give
up assets in order to go back up there and
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get him. And maybe you're still going to fire the
coach anyway, Like just unbelievable, absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
Now it is, and it was just such an interesting week.
And you know what, we got another hour and a half.
So maybe we come back and talk a little bit
about that. Patriots have the first pick, but what should
the you know, who's going to trade up to them?
I like your Mike Rabel thing, by the way, caught
me out of left field, because we.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
What's funny is you asked me the question on our
Saturday program and I said Girot Mayo was going to
be back. I know, well hard Look, I'm not suggesting
that I was wrong. I'm just continuing to look at
new information and the more I thought about it, and
just reading a couple of people's stuff, I'm just like,
you know what, I think that's exactly what's going to happen.
And I think that's what I think. You can't be
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stubborn into your TA when you get new information. You
can't just disregard what you're seeing. And it really has
not gone well for Girai Mayo. And you have a
unique opportunity because Raybol is going to take a job
in this cycle somewhere, whether it's Chicago or wherever he
thinks there's going to be a quarterback scenario. But that's
why I look at it. If he wants to go
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somewhere that has a quarterback, he's almost saying, yeah, I
want to go back to New England because I mean
he was just put into the you know, Ring of
Fame and all that stuff up there. But he knows
they've got the guy everybody's singing Drake May's praises. So
he goes there. He's got his guy second year in
and he's able to go ahead and use his draft
stock or his draft capital to either get multiple picks
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or go get the best guy on the board. I
just think it's a no brainer.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Now, well, and I'll just say really quick.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
One, you know, I found it interesting because the narrative
kind of emerged to me like out of nowhere, really
like middle to the end of last week, in the
lead up the loss to the Chargers on Saturday. But two,
I think the other thing is is, like you said,
is I think it's really tough to fire a first
year head coach, especially you know, when it was a
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rebuilding situation as it was. We talked about this on
our Saturday show. But it's not like, you know, if
you took over an eleven and six team and you're
three and whatever, three and thirteen going into the final week,
that's a different conversation or four and thirteen or whatever
they're that's a different conversation than taking over a bad situation.
Bill Belichick gets fired or basically steps aside, whatever however
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terminology you want to use. But it's different with this
situation versus taking over a good thing. But I do
think there is something there. I also think it's tough
to do that unless you can get a guy that
is a clear upgrade and that you know you're going
to get him, and so you know, this feels like
one of those situations where if Geron Mayo is let go,
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you have to feel pretty pretty good that Mike Vrabel
is already in to tell you what, Jason, we could
come back and keep this conversation goal because I think
the draft order is interesting. I think the Patriots future
is interesting. I think the two quarterbacks at the top
of the draft are interesting, especially now that there's a
shakeup and somebody could potentially have to move up to
get one of the two. We'll discuss cam Ward Schador
(34:18):
Sanders and the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
That's all next.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
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Speaker 2 (34:26):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Speaker 4 (34:34):
Welcome back, everybody. This is the Jason Smith Show with
Mike Harmon. Jason Smith and Mike Harmon are out. They
will be back on Thursday night. Aeron Torres, Jason Martin
in until two a m. Eastern time. So yeah, we're
just having that so fun conversation about twenty twenty five
NFL Draft. Some results from the weekend change things up obviously.
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The New York Giants one, they fall to the number
four spot from the number one pick. Jacksonville beats Tennessee,
they fall to number five. The Las Vegas Raiders, with
a win, fall to number eighth really quick. You know,
jaymart I don't even know if I've ever asked you
this one. Do you have a do you have like
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a quarterback, like a guy that if you were picking first,
because obviously it feels like most everybody it's it's either
Shad or Sanders or cam Ward. Do you have a
preference on either? Do you believe they are the two
best quarterbacks in the draft? Is that who you would
take if you were the New York Giants, if you
were the Las Vegas Raiders you needed a quarterback? Because
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it feels like it's pretty consensus they're number one, number two,
and then, assuming there's no surprise draft decisions we talked
about Drew Aler earlier, Assuming there's no surprise draft decisions,
it feels like there's they're number one and two, and
then it's going to be a big drop off after that.
Speaker 5 (35:53):
Yeah, whoever it is, whether it's Carson Back or whoever. Yes,
it's a two quarterback draft, which is why if you're
THES and you find a way to fall to four
in a two quarterback draft where you don't currently have
one on your roster, it's kind of just it's unfathomably
bad for you as a fan if you're looking at
that for your future. I think Shador Maybe it would
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depend on the situation. There might be some situations where
I think Cam might fit in better than should do
or should do or you know. I think it's gonna
have to be the right It's gonna have to be
the right situation for either one of those two guys.
I think probably I would go with Shadur, but I
don't know that. I'm might really just over the moon
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about one over the other. I think both of them
have the potential to be solid starters in the league.
They have a lot of flash to them, they have
a lot of ability to them. They're both confident football players.
I think they're both ready for what is to come.
I don't know what their ceilings are. I'm gonna have
to look and see what some of the draft analysts
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say once they start really breaking down and their pros
and cons and what they can do on the NFL level,
I think I would favor Shadoor, but it wouldn't be
by much.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
What about you, So I would favor Shador. I think that,
you know, cam Ward really talented. He does get a
little loose with the ball and it's like no disrespect,
But the way that he played at Miami, I don't
know that he can just do that at the NFL level.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
And so with.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Shadoor, it's interesting because I feel like it was like
consensus Shador number one.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Then the Alima bowle happened.
Speaker 4 (37:33):
And by the way, I don't know if you saw
the ratings, the Alima Bowl numbers were actually like huge.
It was like eight and a half million people watch
that game.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
No one should be surprised.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
Yeah, I mean you know.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
And by the way, this was always the argument I
had with Arnie Spanneer was like, oh, meaningless Bowl games.
It's like, well, a lot of people seem to care
about him for it being so meaningless.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
But another conversation for another day.
Speaker 4 (37:52):
And I don't know if it's just because so many
people were watching it and Colorado was so bad, but
it's like, I don't know that Shador Sanders was bad.
I just know that that old line couldn't block anybody,
and he didn't have time in the pocket.
Speaker 3 (38:04):
And so to me, I think it's Shador.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
You know, he's he's accurate, he's got a big arm,
you know, Pat Shermer, whatever you think about him as
an NFL head coach, he's clearly a guy with a
lot of experience, you know, Shaudor running an NFL style offense.
And I just don't I don't think like, like, the
best of Shador is obviously incredible, but I think even
the worst of Shador, I'm not trying to do the
(38:28):
thing where you just blindly defend Dion and Colorado and
and and Shador. But but like the worst of Shador.
Part of it is the old line was not good,
and he did have to throw the He not only
had to throw the football a lot, but he had
to throw it under duress a lot. I mean, I
think Colorado, I'm not gonna look it up right this second,
but I believe they finished last in college football in
rushing yardage again for a second straight season. And so
(38:51):
I just bring it up because, yeah, they did finish
dead last in rushing offense in college football, and so
I just bring it up because I think it's easy
to sit there and say, oh, you know, well that
Alamo Bowl a lot of questions, and it's like, well,
Oline wasn't very good. There was no run game, they
fell behind early. So Shadoor to me is QB one
for sure. And I think unless the Patriots just absolutely
(39:14):
assuming the Patriots keep the pick, it's like, I just
don't think that if I'm if I'm taking if I'm
taking a QB and I have the choice between the two,
I do think it would be Shadoor.
Speaker 5 (39:23):
All right, So I'm gonna play Devil's advocate and say
this what you just argued about what Shador had to
endure at Colorado, who usually has the first pick in
the draft.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yes, I think the team with.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
A terrible offensive line that has struggled, that maybe doesn't
have a ton of weapons. So he's walking into a
situation where he's probably gonna be under duress unless they
do a lot in the offseason or have a really
good draft around him in terms of getting guys to
protect him who are then going to be young in
the league. So I'm not necessarily disagreeing because I said
before you that I would also go with Shadour. But
(40:02):
I do think that that is part of it, that
he's still going to have that same kind of challenge
in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
It's an interesting point. It was bad though Colorado. It
was bad at Colorado. I'm not undermining your point. I'm
just saying it. I don't think people realize how bad
it was unless people are like you and I had
watched all of their games.
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Speaker 3 (40:26):
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