Best of the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Hello, Welcome inside.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
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(00:54):
Happy New Year. The we're all back together now, everybody's here.
I've had my time off and my break breaks over.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Ready to go.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Yeah, A lot of derision upon walking into the studio,
like we were it was a surprise party or something
that we crashed.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
But here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Hey, Champion holidays. Let's be over. Holiday holidays are over. Okay,
now we're just back to the grind. Okay, the holidays
are over, right, there's crappy holidays anyway, all over.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
No, No, you didn't.

Speaker 4 (01:23):
You know you missed your your shifts of spinning the
wheel to keep the lights on.

Speaker 1 (01:29):
I gotta say, you know, this is the the most
I'll say this before we get into before we end
his Notre Dame and Georgia today. Uh, the most amazing
part of vacation was going back to Detroit for holidays.
You know what Pam's families in Detroit, we go back.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Did you get your ass kicked?

Speaker 2 (01:48):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:48):
No, they love me back there. You can't, dude, they
love me in Michigan.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
This was in February. It might be a different story,
but now he's okay.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
If it was a little warmer, I would wear my
brand new grit t shirt that Pam's family got me.
You know all the that that that those are everywhere
in Michigan. That that's the whole thing. That's what I
want to get to, is that going back to Detroit,
like I've been going back there now for thirty years, right,
And when we start going back in the mid nineties,
everybody was Red Wings crazy, right, red Wings that winning
Stanley Cup. They won four Stanley Cups. Everybody's wearing Red Wings.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
Gear, right, and a bunch of jerseys and churchs with
feder Off. Yeah, yeah, I got no, we'll get we'll
get there. We'll get there.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
And then and then after the Red Wings dynasty kind
of folded. Everything is and has been University of Michigan
for twenty some odd years. Every third person wears something
University of Michigan all the time. I have any run
of sparty with people people once in a while, but
no everything like whether you went to the school or not,

(02:49):
Like Michigan is the biggest business in the state. University
of Michigan. Everybody wears Michigan gear. I went when we
went back this time, and there's certain gear that I've
never seen people wear. It was unbelievable because every single
person I saw is wearing Lions gear. Every single person.
They're wearing Lions jerseys, They're wearing Lions hoodies, they're wearing

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the and I even bought one like the local businesses
that are selling like like a Lion's sweatshirt with their
logo on it, with the boom. People are people are
getting those. You can't get those like you went in.
You go into stores like a local business. Oh you
have that Lions hoodie? No, we sold out of those.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
I went in.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Local businesses that logo no doubt have no licensing.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Agree.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I went into Pizza King, right. Pizza King is this
great local pizza shop restaurant that's They've got a bunch
of wall around Detroit, right, But but it's all it's
all in Detroit, and they have these great pizza rolls
and pepperoni roles have been going there forever. So I
go there to pick up the food. Like they say, hey,
the food's right. I said, I'll go get it. I'll
get it. Don' worry, I'll go get it. So I
go get I go into Pizza King and everything is

(03:54):
decorated for the hollow. Everybody's lines, lines everywhere, and right
right at the register are these hats and they're still
and blue and they say Pizza King on him on
the front and they're scullies Pizza King on the front
with a lion's helmet. And I'm like, oh wow, I
go hey, can I get this? And the guy goes, oh,
come on, I go to this. I haven't even got
one yet. We just got these. We're gonna sell out

(04:15):
like ten minutes. I go, well, I better go and
how much? And he goes it's twenty bucks. I go, yeah,
me give me that, give me that. He goes, oh man,
and then he yells back. He goes, I sold the
first one like apparently.

Speaker 3 (04:26):
They had justly.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Like I said, when'd you get him? He goes, like
twenty minutes ago? And so this is me going in
like at two o'clock on a Thursday. You know, it's
like no when when they're not really busy. I go
in and I come back with that. I walk in,
pass me on. He goes, where did you get that?
I go, where do you think?

Speaker 3 (04:43):
I got a pizza king? This is pizza king on it?
And and and and my cousin how deep in the
bag were they? After I ask this question, who has
sent you in the afternoon? Where'd you get that?

Speaker 1 (04:53):
It's my cousin who's thirty five, right away said which
pizza king did you go to? And he grabs his keys.
I go the one on fiddled out here. He goes,
I'll be back, and he left.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
He left the party because he wanted to go buy
a pizza king at like.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
This is how people, this is how much Lions gear
people are buying, and it's insanely fun.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
Man, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
No, I know, hey, I was the one that believed
in them before everybody else believed them.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
I had him in the super Bowl last year Christmas
from the line I did not.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
That was Dan Campbell deciding, well, you know, fourth down,
let's go for it just because you know we can.
Oh no, no, they love me, man, They loved me
there and I got it. I got the grit Dan
Campbell T shirt.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
That's the best. I'll wear that tomorrow. I wear the grit.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
We didn't have a camera on him, like I tried
to uh commission one, but the holiday rates were a
little too Did you have a.

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Sit down shot with Montgomery?

Speaker 4 (05:39):
No?

Speaker 1 (05:39):
No, no, no, you apologize. I kept a low profile
when it came to David Montgomery. I kicked a low profile.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Already. Know that you talked to him, not that Pam's family.
Did Pam rand you out that you talked to him?
Oh they all knew. Oh no, they all text me
the next day. Dude, You tell you talk to you talk.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
To Knuckles said, yay, he talked to Knuckles and then
he got hurt. I said, it's not my fault, it's
your fault. I go, okay, I feel bad, But did
you put.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Him along the list with all those college coaches.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
They're heads that are that are upon the board, said
the Pikes because of talking to us when undefeated, keep
on keeping on.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, we lose, I said, you have to admit the
offense is maybe even better than Jamior Gibbs is getting.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
The ball more. No, no, we need.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Knuckles like, oh no, I understand that, and I feel bad,
but I didn't hurt him.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
I didn't hurt we interviewed him. No, we did.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
But no, but they were a little mad. But they
but they're still winning and beating the Niners when when
it was a game that they didn't really have to
have because it's call coming down to weird Week obviously. Yeah,
uh that was that was like, okay, everything is fine.
Like if they lost that game, I think then maybe
I would have been in trouble.

Speaker 4 (06:43):
How much cambeling would have been done if a couple
of principal guys got hurt? Man, you want to talk
because we were here, I was in with Dan Byer
on Monday as we we did some I watch a
Flex and all stuff, and it was like the purty question,
because you gotta pay him a bunch of money, right,
what if he gets hurt?

Speaker 3 (07:00):
Well, on the other side, any guy.

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I mean, obviously you don't have a ninety man roster
like Kid's college.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
But I was like, and these guys get hurt man,
that's on Campbell.

Speaker 4 (07:09):
Yeah, of course, Look, Knuckle's already down if old Sonic
had taken one to the rib gage.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
And I said, and Pam's uncle is the biggest. He's
the biggest died in the wool Detroit sports fan his
whole life, right, Like I can talk about the Tigers
from the sixties. He's about he's about ten years older
than I. I could talk about the Tigers teams from
the late sixties, the Red Wings of the nineties. Every
he's read. He's just the four main teams, right. The
Piston's not so much because I haven't a good in

(07:36):
like thirty years. But but all these teams and he
and he said to me, sor right, So, what do
you think is Super Bowl or what?

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Like?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
It's one of those where I'm gonna sit down with
you for you give me five minutes at the party. Yeah, sure,
I said that. Okay, So what do you think when
we winning the Super Bowl? And I said, well, I'll
tell you what I said on the radio. And he
said what And I said, we're gonna be talking about
the end of the line season because Dan Campbell makes
a ridiculous decision X that they didn't have to make
and they lost the game because of it. And then

(08:03):
he stabbed you in his hand with a sat there
and he sat there, he said, he said, if that happens,
I will make sure you never eat white Castle again.

Speaker 3 (08:13):
And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa down the street.
He might find a way, might find out.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
He sat there like the dawn like you sat back,
So you will never eat white Castle again.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I was like, oh okay, but I had to tell
him the truth.

Speaker 4 (08:28):
I mean, that's just a threat to the White Castle
business and it's a threat to your your health, I.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Said, trying to do put him out of business. I
guess you want to sit here and light to you.
I'm not gonna lie to him.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
It's what I think. The Lions are great, but boy
Campbell's gonna cambell. He's gonna be cambelling. I know you
did that cambelling thing. I didn't know you went this
far with it. Like, Okay, I'm gonna okay, don't yell
at me now, I'm gonna say. You can't let a
guy get away with threats like that, though I threaten
your personal.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
I mean, I mean I was. I was wearing the.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Pizza King hat while I was talking, so I mean
I wore that thing in time. I should have wanted
to work tonight. That's a great looking hat.

Speaker 5 (09:02):
Man.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
It's it's it's it's it's just how do I say
this the right way?

Speaker 1 (09:06):
It's just uh, it's just it's just just this much
not cheesy.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
I'd be cool like that. The way you're struggling for
the word. I'm like, where's he gonna go this?

Speaker 1 (09:16):
It's like, where's he getting like this much not cheesy
to be cool? Like all the Pizza King Lions hat?
And I was like, ah, it's the first thing people
saying this, dude, where'd you get that hat? Where'd you
get that hat? I'm like, I could have gone on
eBay and sold in the Greater Detroit area.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
Hey, Pizza King hat paid twenty.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Dollars asking five hundred boom buy it now, five hundred
dollars could have done that on eBay.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Well, it's not a bad looking I mean cause it's
actually the crown, right, Well.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It's a scully. It's it's it's a skully. Yeah yeah,
yeah yeah, but I just look it up. So it's
the silver. The band across as a silver. The Pizza
King logo is wait, but when a low is it
a slice of pizza?

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Is it the crown? It's the it's the crown, and
it actually says Pizza King. Okay, yeah, that's wah No.
That was the best, man, that's not a bad looking.
Acting was the best.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
And the other thing is I said, hey, I brought
you all good luck because the way Michigan just you know,
I was able to have no offense and still beat
Alabama in the bull game. And they said, Jalen mill Rose,
I've had enough. I'm going to the NFL. I've had
enough losing to Michigan to end the season. I'm going
to the NFL. Now I'm done. Now I'm finished here
at Alabama.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Well that means he did his evaluations and Nick came
back with positive notes or someone just said it can't
get any better.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Mysel com you look, I so go.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
We got a lot of college football to get to
and we'll get to uh Notre Dame and their big
win today over Georgia in a few minutes. But I'll
just say this because Jalen Miller announced he's going to
the to the NFL today. And why because coming off
of that game. Honestly, this is what I thought watching
that game. I said, he's hurt and for some reason

(10:50):
they haven't pulled him from this game because that was
the absolute worst I have ever seen him play. And
I thought he got hurt in the first half and
he was trying to play through an injury because he
couldn't throw the ball, he wasn't seeing the field. Well,
he was absolutely terrible. I said, how do you go
to the NFL off this game? You're already a second
round pick. How do you're gonna see this game? And
this is a Michigan defense where everybody opted out. I

(11:12):
think guys from the seventies were coming back to play.
I mean really, I think Dan Dirdorf was playing and
he went to the other side of the ball.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
I mean, this was it.

Speaker 1 (11:19):
This is the Michigan defense where everybody out. The defensive
tackle's gone. Will Johnson got these guys who never played
all year, and Milrow looked awful. And now you see
the video that comes out today that he was tipping
the plays where he was lined up for the passing
plays with one foot behind him, and I'm.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Like, that's easy steal. That's not even a legal stealing.
That's it.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
You don't need Connor Staley to say, hey, it's a
pass play when he's got one foot backboards in a
running play, when he's standing with his feet level like,
I can't get over the fact that.

Speaker 3 (11:46):
He was going.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I thought for sure because you could see how frustrated,
how pissed Alabama was with him during this game. They're
screaming at him when he can't get him the football.
When a seventeen year old kid is screaming out, you're
not going the football, and I thought for sure he's
got a transfer. He's gonna he's you know what he's
got to do. He's got to hit the portal and go,
because Alabama's gonna be happy to see him go, and
another team will love to get whether it's USC or

(12:07):
somewhere else. He has to go because he's not there,
and that's why he went to the NFL. I am
sure there's there's certain cases where guys jump to the
NFL because they know if I stay, I might not
be the quarterback. I don't know if I want to
go someplace else. So one said I'll jump to the NFL.
Guys that do that it never works out for him.
And I love the guy. Milroe is a phenomenal player,
and he's everything you want a college football athlete to be.

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All the stuff he does outside of the outside of
the game, and then the charity work he does, and
he's got two degrees already in four years. I mean,
he's what you want to be. But this is a
guy that jumps to the NFL, like when you go
there because you think you might lose your job in college.
You're not ready, man, now.

Speaker 4 (12:43):
But the other thing that might be be in play
here is that's always remember, as much as we want
to talk about it being just Shador Sanders and cam.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
Ward, desperation creeps in in April, right. There's not a
matter of rising.

Speaker 4 (12:57):
It's just a all right, let's go back and instead of
evaluating things by what a team should do, they go
and they look at the quarterback room and they say,
you think we need one more? They go full oceans eleven.
Can we make this guy our guy? Can he become
a starter for us and for Jalen Milroe? He'll be

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one of those guys this year? Because we always end
up with a handful of quarterbacks. Doesn't mean it's always right,
doesn't mean it always ends up well. But that would
be My guess is look at the evaluation at Alabama.
Was he getting along with the coordinator and his head coach?

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Maybe not?

Speaker 4 (13:34):
And if he's tipping stuff that easily, yeah, no, that's
gonna lose you out pretty fast.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
But look and they got throtted.

Speaker 4 (13:40):
They just got run over and beat up by a
team with the opt outs, as you mentioned. But the
second part of transferring, like do I want to go
through that again? I've already got a couple of degrees,
I've already done all this stuff. No, I don't want
to be that guy grad transfer part two, all that stuff.
I don't want to go through another system. So you
go to the NFL, you're gonna end up hooking on

(14:01):
with the team. Would we have another sixty quarterback year?

Speaker 3 (14:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (14:04):
But is he ever gonna get a chance to be
a starting quarterback. Certain guys third round. Yeah, but he's
gonna get a real chance. Not like, Hey, we're gonna
Taylor the offense around you. You're our guy. You're on
question number one. Guy, You're gonna get the whole season?
Like is that gonna happen for him? He needed to
up his stock and and come back for next year.

Speaker 3 (14:21):
But we'd seen enough.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
The big loser of the of the bowl season so far,
he is the biggest loser' the SEC. What are you
talking about so much? Don't listen to herb Street and
those guys. The SEC exit up about a Fresco exit
smalling down?

Speaker 3 (14:35):
The band back together?

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Here Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with my
best friend Mike Carmon. Coming up next, No Tredame moves
on in the college Football Playoff. We will tell you
the decision that Kirby Smart is gonna be up late
for the next fifteen years of his life thinking why
did I do that?

Speaker 3 (14:53):
Today? That's next rid here Jason and Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Be sure to catch live editions The Jason Smith Show
with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm
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Speaker 1 (15:12):
Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Harmon, live from the Tireck dot Com Studios. Now,
I do want to say this before we get into
Notre Dame in Georgia, just for a second.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
My dad said the F word to me for the
first time really in years.

Speaker 3 (15:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
But yeah, then that's the word. That's the way he said.
We're not talking about Aaron Rodgers said.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
And blank, you two You could have talked about both
those guys quite a weeks. But yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
So you see, right before New Year's someone put onto it.
I forget who it was, and it started to take off.
Where if you start watching Game five of the World Series,
Oh yeah, at ten thirty four and thirty he sat
at ten thirty four to thirty seconds, you can time
the ball dropping out of Aaron Judge's glove at midnight

(16:08):
when the clock strikes midnight. And I'm like, oh my god,
that's so great. Right, So I said it to you,
I said it to Frostburg. That's a good one. I
sent it to my dad and I said it to
Michael Fabiano, right. Fabiano wrote back, blank, A blank to me,
my dad physically said to me, don't blank and send
me blank like that anymore.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
It's final.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Yeah, I think, yeah, all the all the all the
Yankee jokes, all the different uh stickers you can get
for your car. Now with the with the fifth inning
score bug when it's five nothing, Dodger's batting top.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Oh, you can get a couple of magnetic ones and
put him on his car. Oh yeah, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
Didn't think about that's a great idea yet. I'm absolutely
gonna do that. But what I said him that he
called me and said, don't blank and send me blank
like that before.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
So I think he's done. I think he's done with
that part. I think he's done. That's great.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
I realized this is how far I could push him,
And that's how far I've pushed him.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
With the World Series.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
It's very emotional, and you know, mainly because this was
you know why, because Judge is his guy. Sure, so
like all the other time, you know, but Judge, I mean,
it was easy to blame everybody else for everything else,
or the relief pitching whatever it was. Yeah, but then
I went after that, Hey you see the ball drop it,
don't blank.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
In But again, just like you know, the the famous
Bartman Moisey Alo play from two thousand and three with
the Cubs. A lot of other crap had to happen
for it to really melt down. As bad as that was,
like that, that is not it, you know, when the
Bartman play happened, and for all these years later, still
part of baseball lore. Like you had a normally gifted

(17:44):
shortstop boot to ground ball, you had Mark Pror jumping
up and down like a five year old who was
told he couldn't have a snack. I mean, all of
these things that that piled up. Likewise would judge, Yeah,
the fly ball was terrible. It was not the only piece.

Speaker 1 (18:00):
Let it throw cover first base, you know, run to
first base like all those things it was. But that
was when that opened the door was closed. And that
opened the door just a little bit, a little bit
like that when the zombies come in. Okay, if they
can't get in the door, Okay, if you open the
door a little bit.

Speaker 3 (18:14):
The zombies are just can't give him the space. The
zombies are leading anything to the judges. You can't, you can't.
You got to take care of your business. He was,
so don't send me blank and blankly.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
But I'm absoually gonna got to get one of those
window clings and put them on.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
So you were a little slow in opening any box
you got from No.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
I made I made sure it was after like, this
is for New Year's Yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
I said it.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
I said, you know, they sent it to him. I
sent it to him on his birthday. Wow, Because my
dad was born in the thirtieth and I always.

Speaker 4 (18:45):
Say the Sandy Cofax, Lebron James and Tiger Woods and
my dad, I'll get yeah, and so so I said that.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So I did it on his birthday. I said, every birthday. Boy,
then we have a guy doing a double murd at them.
Oh ye, my son. I have no son.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
But earlier today we watch Notre Dame advance the final
four of the college football playoff. They beat Georgia twenty
three to ten. Looked like Georgia was going to keep
it close, and when they scored that touchdown, but Notre.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Dame's defense is able to ride it out. They win
the game.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
It was obviously was postponed after the tragic terrorist attack
in New Orleans a day before. All our thoughts, of course,
are with the family and the people in New Orleans
and throughout as we try to make sense and make
sure something like this doesn't happen again. But look, this
is what you listen to us for. For a distraction
from that, We're going to talk about the football game.
And look, this is a game where if I'm Kirby Smart,

(19:45):
this is what I lay on my bed and I
stare up at the wall for probably the next ten
years thinking about is that Notre Dame played a really
good game and Georgia played better than I thought they
would considering you have a backup quarterback who was coming
in and it's been a real time of flux because
Carson Beck not only is hurt and he's out, he's

(20:06):
also declaring for the NFL draft. Here comes Gunner Stockton,
who threw the ball well. Georgia dropped a lot of passes.
They dropped a ton of passes, but this game was
still there for them. And this is the decision that
I just don't get. This is a defensive and this
is where you have to read the room and understand
that this is the way the game is going. And
it's not one of those Hey, it's it's thirty five

(20:28):
thirty one going a halftime. Notre Dame kicks a field
goal to go up six to three. Right before halftime.
They kicked the ball off to Georgia and there's thirty
seconds before halftime. Okay, this is when you go to halftime.
You sometimes you just we have to get to halftime.
It's six ' three. We've dropped all, you know, but
but hey, let's get let's get a break. And it's

(20:49):
not that always you come up with halftime adjustments and
fix things, but it's just get a break, catch your breath.
Because I'm a firm believer that with a lot of
athletes when when a game is going sometimes you just
need a few minutes to yourself off and you time
to the game to slow down a bit. Then get
back out there for the second half. Go to halftime.
If you had scored twenty one points in the first half,
I would say thirty some odds seconds, go down the field,

(21:11):
try to get there, kick a field goal right, try
to tie the game. But it's six ' three. You're
not scoring. Okay, you're not scored. For whatever reason, you're
not scoring on this Notre Dame defense, they are playing
extremely well. Go to halftime because the odds of you
getting from your own twenty five yard line into field
goal position is not gonna happen, right, it's not gonna happen.
Go to halftime. Make the smart play because disaster is

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what lurks, because you're gonna try to push the ball
down the field when you haven't done that in the
first half.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
And what happens.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
You watched Stockton get sacked, Notre Dame jumps on the football.
Next play is a touchdown pass and that's it. Effectively,
that was the game because it was thirteen to three
at that point. And of course you get the big
kickoff return by Notre Dame to start the second half
as well, but that's thirteen to three. That was the
game because that was the point where I said, that's
too much offense for Georgia overcome. They're not playing well.

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They're not gonna suddenly go crazy in the second half.
Hopefully they start holding onto the football a little bit more,
but that deficit is too much. You gotta keep sometimes
going a halftime as the smartest thing, and when it's
a defensive struggle, go to halftime, go to the odds
that you're gonna get down there. Oh, they'll play a
little bit looser. Maybe it'll be a little bit looser
and play a little bit more back. No, the odds
are that something worse is going to happen if they

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ran the ball went to halftime, not youre name's not
calling time out. Okay, you want to go to halftime,
we'll go to halftime. ' up six to three, we'll
go to halftime. But no, And that was the killer
That was the killer decision because that needed to be
a better decision by Kirby Smart. Okay, here's the way.
The scope of the game is going six to three. Okay,
we've played poorly, but in the end, nothing awful. Right,
we're down by a field goal. We got a whole

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half of football, we got incredibly talented players here in
the locker. We're ready to go. But instead let's try
to push it for a ridiculously stupid reason, and disaster happen.
And that was the game. That play was the game.

Speaker 4 (22:56):
Defense giving up six points, you're not moving the football well.
Both teams finished with fewer than three hundred total yards
for the game. Even in all the postgame Riley Leonards like,
you know, this was not our best, not a clean game,
pretty choppy and all the way through, but making the
big plays as it mattered. But your defense, your Georgia
had done everything you could. And you'd watch the aggressiveness

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from Notre Dame's defense. They weren't suddenly gonna back off,
like they smell blood in the water and we're gonna
come after Gunner every chance that they had. I mean
you saw it, even running through the punter multiple times
right off the jump. How those aren't personal files, I
don't know. I know letter versus spirit of the law,
and I was incredulous and put it up on X

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and folks are like, no, no, this is the rule.

Speaker 3 (23:40):
Like I understand what the rule is. But if the
guy still.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
Runs through you pretty violently, normally it's a touch thing
and they're falling all over each other and you'd say, ah,
no harm, no foul.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Here was pretty violent.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
But either way, that set the tone of how Notre
Dame was going to approach this game, and they were
certainly gonna make it difficult for you. See, if they could,
wouldn't force a very quick possession or as they ultimately did,
a turnover and the quick strike to extend the lead.
And at that point, yeah, now it's pressing. Now you

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talk about pinning your ears back as a defense, and
you didn't even have the ability to go out and
defend with just that deficit because of the kickoff return.
It's like, O, wow, now this really just went to
hell right, Seventeen points in fifty four seconds of game time.
You want to talk about making your head spin? This
is worse than dropping a fly ball if you're earned judge.

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Now my dad is going, heya a minute. I thought
I was catching strays for a few minutes ago. Why
am I catching strays?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Now?

Speaker 4 (24:37):
I understand, you know what I had to come back around.

Speaker 3 (24:40):
To cull to sec. I mean that that play was
the game.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
That's where it got out of reach for Georgia because
they're not playing as look as good as Stockton played,
and he's playing better than you than I expected him
to play. They had a lot of drops hits, some
things you have to understand. This notre name defense is
really really good, and you're not gonna You're not gonna
have a game. This is not gonna be a third
eight thirty five second half where hey, the second half,
all of a sudden, teams just going up and down
the field like it's nothing. You have to understand. It's

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a six to three game. Very still, this is the
game flow. This is the game flow. It is six
to three. And did you did you really think, hey,
we're gonna get up there and kick a field?

Speaker 2 (25:15):
Go?

Speaker 1 (25:16):
You got three points in the first twenty nine plus
twenty nine and a half minutes. You're not gonna get
up there on this defense.

Speaker 3 (25:21):
And the other part is it's college kickers.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
How many yards do you really need to go to
reasonably expect blanket ship ay walking through that door? Okay,
he's not around to superte it like he used to.
So thinking that you were suddenly going to have, you know,
a fifty five yard attempt and that was gonna be
your saving grace moving the ball minimally, it's not gonna happen.

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The other on was just from the larger college landscape.
And we'll talk to our guy Pete fu Tech next
hour to recap what we saw these last couple of days.
How quickly do substitution rules change? Because we saw Freeman
get to use that too, right as Beilaman did for
Illinois and where he almost had a fight. Oh yeah,

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So like pushing the boundaries about running out run out.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
The first one is going to be looked at is
people running into the referees because they're so excited on
the side. Wow, we've seen that in a couple of
we've seen that in a couple of games. Well, I
think that's the first thing we gotta look at. But
that's nothing.

Speaker 3 (26:21):
Able to run up and down the field without getting
run over.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
But that's another play that that stands out as a wow.
This this baby took a touchdown away right because your
first you would have been first and goal from the eleven. Instead,
you're backed up to the twenty six big play down
the sideline referee for those that didn't see it, ends
up getting bumped into by excitable guy on Georgia's sideline
who was immediately identified and I think his home location

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was put up in a matter of seconds. You want
to talk about being vilified. You got him on one
side and you've got the director of analytics who is
standing next to Freeman and they just kept looking at
each other and smiling after every big play and he
gutsy decision that went through. But for George, I mean
there was the game breaker right, one that wasn't dropped,
one that was a big play and oh no, no, no,

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there's a fifteen yard penalty. I believe there was contact
on the sideline. And then you go back and see
the replus, like, what the hell are you doing? Because
it wasn't him. There were two other guys that were
right alongside and that would have clipped that referee. So
that was all sorts of sideline malvisons.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
You know.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
The thing for Kirby smart, right, and the thing about
plays like this, this gets into Dan campbell little bit
is like, oh, hey, yes, we always do this because
this is how we are. We're aggressive where you know,
we always go for it on fourth down. We're always
gonna try to be aggressive. At the end of that
is that it's not about always making that decision. It's
about making the decision that has the best chance of succeeding,
and it sometimes it's not going for it on fourth down,

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and sometimes it's ah.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Is this risk worth it?

Speaker 1 (27:50):
If you really, if if if you stopped and said, okay,
take the emotion out of this here, yes, just giving
up a field goal, giving up the lead, Okay, we're
really gonna go in thirty seconds less than that to
get in field goal position and kick a field goal.
We're really gonna do that. We haven't done it the
entire half. No, Jam's gonna play incredibly loose defense. No,
we're having trouble with this.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
This is it.

Speaker 1 (28:09):
This is where every score matters. And no, you don't
think that there's gonna be an absolute disaster like you had,
but guess what, you're more likely to have a disaster happened.
Then you already get down the field at that point.
And again, if it was a twenty eight to twenty
eight game, yeah, try it. They're not stopping you. Your
quarterback's making great to says you. Guys are catching the ball.

Speaker 5 (28:29):
Go.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
That's the flow of the game.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
That's not understanding that a better decision and more conservative
decision needed to be made there to just get to halftime.
Just get to halftime and then reset for the second half.
That play that was the game. More than anything else.
That play was the game.

Speaker 4 (28:46):
And you know me, I usually love the aggressiveness, and
I've defended Dan Campbell probably more than I should because
I like the All right, let's go with where we
are down distance, but also what is game flow? What
are our aptitudes? Where do we have potentially a mismatch
we can exploit. Then ALVI becomes about the excellence of execution, which,

(29:08):
in Campbell's case, much to the sugar in of your
Detroit bound extended family. Which why they seemingly have forgotten
all of your ills against them for predicting greatness and
leaving them at the doorstep is beyond me. But I'd
rather do that than the all right, let's play it
safe loser ball as we may call it sometimes in

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terms of your decision making. But for Kirby Smart, here
in a six to three game that you haven't really
generated anything consistently, you've seen Notre Dame's pass rush has
been pretty strong. Now they only recorded one sack on
the game. That's not always the tail of the tape.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Right.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
As much as we love box score reading and whatever else,
that's not how that game was being dictated. And there's
no chance Notre Dame was suddenly going to say, yeah,
let's play a soft zone beverage and let them move
the ball and gain some level of consistency heading into
the half. No chance in hell that that was not
anybody's menu there. So normally I would go for the aggressiveness,

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but expecting the big pop in those final seconds. No, no, no, no,
let's play through because you're gonna come out and play
defense and try to grind this game out. Instead, look
out fast and got away from them.

Speaker 3 (30:26):
Exit out about a Fresco exit Swalling Dome.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
The Jason Smiths are with Mike Carmon live the Tireck
dot Com Studios.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
That was the play. That's the play that will haunt
them forever.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Now to a guy who said I'll haunt you forever,
Jason Smith, you say one more thing about Detroit.

Speaker 3 (30:40):
It's Martin Wise. He's got what's trending now. You know,
I was just gonna let a slide. There's a lot
of defensive entries. I was gonna let you have it.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Notre Dame as successful today in New Orleans as the
rescheduled Sugar Bowl.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
They beat Georgia.

Speaker 6 (30:56):
Twenty three to ten in Notre Dame now advances to
the semi final.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Of the College Football Playoff.

Speaker 6 (31:01):
They'll play Penn State in the Orange Bowl next week
and elsewhere in college football.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe leaving school.

Speaker 6 (31:08):
He will enter the twenty twenty five NFL Draft. And
we have one game in progress right now Duke and
Old Miss Old Miss with a thirty eight to seven
lead at the start of the fourth quarter, looking at
a Jax Jackson Dart lateral that ended up being a
touchdown right now on replay. In the NBA, the Warriors

(31:29):
beat this are leading the seventy six ers forty eight
to thirty with just under nine minutes left in the
second quarter. The Celtics beat the timber Wolves one eighteen
to one, fifteen, Nets over Bucks one thirteen to one,
ten and Thunder over Clippers one sixteen to ninety eight.
Now the Pacers beat the Heat one twenty eight to
one fifteen. Jimmy Butler in the game had a decent game,

(31:51):
but in his post game that's where he really made noise.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Let's hear it.

Speaker 7 (31:54):
I want to see me get my joy back from
playing basketball. Wherever that may be, we'll find out out
here pretty soon, but gorn to get my joy back.
I'm happy here off the court, but I want to
be back to somewhere dominant. I want to hoop and
I want to help this team win. Right now, I'm
not doing it.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
Can you get your joy back here on the court?
Probably not so.

Speaker 6 (32:14):
Adding a little bit of fuel more fuel to the
fire of Jimmy Butler not wanting to be in Miami.
We'll see pat Riley balls in your court. No pun
intended elsewhere in college, that's where. Elsewhere in the NFL.
The Jets interviewed Lewis Riddick for their general manager job.
They also interviewed Ron Rivera for the head coaching job.
Charge warbsav A Lad McConkie retards to practice for the

(32:36):
Chargers on Thursday. The Browns will start Bailey's Appy at
quarterback against the Ravens on Saturday. Bailey's Appy the fortieth
different starting quarterback for Cleveland since nineteen ninety nine. Chiefs
quarterback Packtor Mahomes limited in Thursday's practice with an ankle injury,
and Eagles quarterback Dailn Hurts remains in a cushion protocol
did not practice today. Kenny Pickett is dealing with injured
rims as well. Tanner McKee is the third quarterback for Philly.

(33:00):
Speaking of three, quarterback Josh I don't want to starting
quarterback for the AFC Pro Bowl, Lamar Jackson and Joe
Burrow his backups, and American gymnast sim Own Biles was
name the twenty twenty four.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
Or Sports Illustrated sports Person of the Year. Mike back
to you guys, Thanks so much, Maret appreciate him.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Ja suspends Mike Carman life from the tirec dot Com studios. Wow,
coming up next, that game just and and we will
get into the Jimmy Butler blow torching of the Miami.
He got a couple of big NBA stories get into.
But wow, I'm pretty sure he just played his last
game with the Heat. I don't think you will see
him in the Heat uniform again, not after what he
just said.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Did he top out in terms of coffee sales? So
he needs another market? Maybe maybe it's you know, a
big head coffee. Yeah, big coffee.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
I go to Portland, that artons a big market for coffee. Sure,
get there.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Why would you want to do? What do you Why
do you hate Jimmy Butler? He wants coffee. It's regal coffe.
I can't say Seattle, you don't have a team.

Speaker 3 (33:56):
Come on? Is the owner of the Knicks him? And
what's that guy?

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, the from the Hawks?

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Those big basketball stories coming up next, Jason and Mike Fogg.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Be sure to catch live editions of the Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific, Fox Sports.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon.
How About and oh boy, it's a new year and
Jimmy Butler has decided I got to borrow from the
James harden of school of I need to blow torch
my team so I can get a trade out of here.
The Heat have not had a great season so far.

(34:36):
They've been around five hundred. Jimmy Butler has not had
a great season himself. He is unhappy. And we first
heard rumors of his a potential trade about three ish
weeks ago.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
And yeah, we hear this now and again.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Eric Spouls is like, yes, I've been dealing with this
for a while now, Jimmy Butler, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
But apparently Jimmy Butler means it that he really really
really wants out this time, like I'm done, I can't
do it here. After a nine point effort tonight and
the Heats lost to the Pacers, Jimmy Butler his postgame
press conference talked about how he really really really needs

(35:12):
a change of scenery and hope it happens soon. Here's
a back and forth with Jimmy Butler and a reporter.

Speaker 7 (35:18):
I want to see me get my joy back from
playing basketball. Whoever that may be, we'll find out here
pretty soon.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
But I want to get my joy back.

Speaker 7 (35:26):
I'm happy here off the court, but I want to
be back to somewhere dominant. I want to hoop and
I want to hope the same win. Right now, I'm
not doing it.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Can you get your joy back here on the court?
Probably not, Lakers.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm done. I'm done, and I'm happy here off the court,
off the court. Now look at a relationship. No, no, no,
I'm happy with you half the time. Wait what does
that mean?

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Nine?

Speaker 3 (35:49):
The other half not so much ending on the day,
it doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
He is now greasing the skids for a trade, and
I'm pretty sure he has just played his last game
with he.

Speaker 4 (35:57):
You know what's funny, though, Jason, about three and a
half weeks to go, a month whatever it was when this.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
First started to percolate.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Remember the slap fight going on between Shams and his agent,
Tell yeah repeatedly. Now that guy that shows up at
funerals in the long coat with the sunglasses is being
used as the this is Shams back to Butler's agent,
staring him down, because this is pretty explicit.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I'm kind of done here. Eighteen points a game.

Speaker 4 (36:24):
The high score right now is Tyler hero at about
twenty four and a half, finally becoming more the consistent
player that they needed him to be. But the rest
of it seems to be in shambles. I guess he
and Spoltra it finally run its course.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah again, he made it much longer than I thought
he would make it in Miami because he had been
a Hey, I had the first five five or six
years in Chicago.

Speaker 3 (36:47):
That was good.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Can we make it a couple of years in Minnesota?
One season in Philadelphia. He was gonna be that talented
player that never found a home. But hey, six years
in Miami, NBA Finals, okay, run. He wanted to fight
Spolstra at one point on the side during a time
out of the game, and they still made it to
the finals after that happened. But now he is definitely done.
I don't know that you can put him back on

(37:09):
the court again after this. Can you get your joy back?
I'm not You're not happy here. You're not going out
to play Jimmy Butler. They're gonna sit Jimmy Butler until
they can trade him. And I'll tell you what, there
are gonna be a lot of teams who are gonna
want him because he's not quite the same guy he
was being thirty five, but he's he's like a Harden
or a Chris Paul or a player in which, hey,

(37:31):
if I'm not happy with Kevin Durant, where if I'm
not happy, I'm not gonna play well.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
But if I'm happy, I'll play all right.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
For a long term good players, happy player right when
when people lose their joy, when guys don't want to play,
they play poorly and it looks like their career is
just going to end. But Jimmy Butler is one of
those guys. And we've seen it where he has picked
up teams by the scruff of their neck and said
follow me. He has bought into coaches. He has been
a great leader at times, not so great other times.
But he's got to believe. He's got to believe in
processing what's going on. And there are a lot of

(38:02):
teams out there who are contenders that could say, yeah,
Jimmy Butler can come and buy in with us. It's
not gonna be that expensive. It's not like the Heat
are gonna you know, you take us a whole bunch
of stuff from us for a trade. So but now
the Heat have to move on. There's no way he
can play for them anymore. And he will be very
desirable from a team. And I hate to say that.
You know, Hey, guys can sulk and then get what

(38:23):
they want. But that's kind of how superstars work in sports. Now,
you sulk, you say you want things, you push, you push,
you push, and then eventually a team has no choice
because they want to get out from under you. And
so Jimmy Butler, I don't I can't see him playing
with the Heat again. He'll get traded at some point.
You're gonna see a lot of contenders saying, yeah, let's
have Jimmy Butler come in. Let's have a little bit
of that attitude that he brings. And if we get

(38:44):
a positive Jimmy Butler, it's great. If it doesn't work,
you can cut him. You're not trading a whole bunch
of assets. Got Hey, after a while, it's not working,
we're cutting the guy. We're moving on. But the right team,
trust me, he will buy in. He will be a
Lynchpin type player with the right team.

Speaker 3 (38:57):
Opted into his contract.

Speaker 4 (38:59):
So he's got one more remaining beyond the current season
on the deal that he signed. It as a four
year deal, so that's what he's got left. You look
at the standings as it is. I mean they're still
in the sixth seed, just seventeen and fifteen, showing you
where the Eastern Conference is that you've got a bunch
of teams floating right at five hundred. But for Jimmy Butler, yeah,

(39:21):
it's about the buy in. It's like what we talk
about with the Blakes Now, I don't want them for
a long time. I want him always to be working
on a contract dere right to where there's an incentive.
Same thing here where maybe you've got one or two
other big veterans in the locker room already and a
couple of young kids that maybe they need.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
A kick in the ass to go to the next level.

Speaker 4 (39:41):
He's been pretty good at that if guys are willing
to buy in, right, because we've seen the fruits of
that labor a couple of times, and he's now a
guy that moves on. He's like a coach where you've
had enough, right three or four years, it's like, all right, it's.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
Time for us to move on in part ways, Suns, MAVs, Rocket,
and Warriors. They were on his list in December. They
will all be on his list again.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Now.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
All these teams can say, yeah, we could take that chance.
I photo shopped him into a Lakers uniform. No, that's okay,
I'm sure. I'm sure they'll get involved as well. We'll
have more in this and tell you why targeting was
not called yesterday against Texas Fox Danngo send a bolt
of leg gonna be Yeah, you get the quickest two

(40:26):
minutes drill from Boomer Scataboo calls from the NFL.

Speaker 3 (40:29):
Oh sure, scatabooz Scataboo's cat.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Uh let me say this about about Cam Scattaboo first,
because I I kind of have a different I think
people are kind of caught up in the moment with Skatabookataboo. Uh, well,
you do the Fandengo send a bolt of that. He's
a phenomenal college football player. Okay, he's a phenomenal college
football player. And some of the things you saw, you know,

(40:55):
he doesn't skip leg day. That's number one. That's why
I'm sure you love me.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
Doesn't skip leg. Those you know that.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Hard to bring down runs really hard, can do a lot.
He is a phenomenal college football player. I don't know
that he translates to the NFL, and I get I've
seen some people and scouts saying, oh, you can't bring
him down. That that's a big trade tab. Of course,
not being able to brought down as a big trade
tap for the next level. But if he's someone who

(41:21):
is undersized and not fast, and that's the thing is
that you can be not cool. You can you can
be a not fast running back if you're big. You
can also not be a big running back. If you're
really fast. You can't be not big and slow. Right,
that was the whole thing that happened to me in football.
I was like, hey, boy, I was short, but boy

(41:41):
was I slow. And Scataboo is someone at the next level.
He's gonna get swallowed up because everybody tackles in the
NFL because guys say, hey, I either feed my family
or I don't if I.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Make this tackle.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Right, you see once in a while, boy, that defensive
back really not inhould to make it a Saxle. No,
he make tag. I don't see him getting separation. He's
he's a guy that'll be a fan favorite on a team.
He'll play special teams. He'll maybe get a couple of carries,
maybe at the goal line. He can kind of be
that that that full back sort of cult hero that

(42:16):
people like that will do anything for the team. And and
and I guess people buy in his jerseys. But he's
not gonna come to the NFL and be a star.
He's just not He's not fast enough, and he's not
big enough, and he's gonna get swallowed. You try to
give him the ball, You try to get the ball,
run to swep. I don't know we'll get past the
line of scrimmage. I mean, this is this is how
good the defenses are in the NFL. Yes, I get
that he's not he boy. They couldn't bring him down.

(42:37):
This is college, okay, it's this is not the NFL again.
This is now where I feed my family. By knocking
your hats out behind the line of scrimmage. That's how
I feed my family. Uh, defensive back is not feeding
his family by tackling you or not tackling. Uh, it's
gonna be a different thing. He is an awesome He's
a fun player to watch. He's very aware of himself

(42:57):
being a star. He likes he loves the spotlight. It's awesome,
feels comfortable in it. His dad, it's fun seeing cutaways
to him during the games. But when it comes to
skataboo with NFL, yeah, I'm much more bearish on him
than a gotta.

Speaker 4 (43:10):
Yeah, I mean the curiosity that comes, you know, how
do you use them at the next level? Because is
measurables five eleven two fifteen b John Robinson's five eleven
at yeah being also being Robbinson a tiny bit faster,
just a little bit, just a tiny bit faster than
you know, wanted to do the one for one of guys,
and look, we'll try to figure out the database of
other guys that measure the same. But yeah, you play

(43:32):
a step slower. But power comes into into play and
short yardage, goal line situations. To Frostburg's point, you know,
the full back position because with the running game being
back in vogue and trying to do more play action
and keep your quarterback from getting killed and having a
capable blocker back there, perhaps that's where he settles in

(43:53):
a bit. If nothing else, he he gets the Tim
Tebow effect to a degree. You'll you'll have the notoriety
from his collegiate play. Right now, he's embroiled in a
bunch of back and forth and social media is over
throwing up and having been out with his family before
and had a lot of fighting, and you know the
firestorm that comes out of that kind of thing. But uh,

(44:16):
you'll have that that cult of sketuo that and a
good locker room guy, good leader. Right, but you saw
what his coach had to say about him, like all
all the you know, his quarterback and and let let
it and everybody else like just how much uh they
love the guy so uh that that'll learn you the

(44:38):
the start uh in the in the NFL, and and
putting up big numbers here at the end of your
collegiate run on a on a big national spotlight kind
of scale. So now it's just the curiosity of where
you can go, uh and what becoming a star really means, right,
because he doesn't have to be a twenty five touch
a game guy probably won't be. But how many guys are, right,

(45:01):
how many guys do we really see that in the NFL.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
But he's not even a thunder of a thunder and lightning, Like,
you can't give him the But he's not fast enough.
You gotta be bigger again. You can be slow if
you're big, you can be you can be short if
you're fast. You can't be short and slow. I'm sorry,
you can't do it. He's breaking the mall. You can't
do it.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
I mean, he would break every Jets record. You know
how many records of Jets have, not many? And you
know how many yards he would have on that defense,
on the Jets defense? Oh yeah, right now, yeah all
of them? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (45:32):
Sure, yeah, not if Robert Solow handily almost took Texas down.
I know it was awesome, it was was up. But
there's one this thing about playing at this level and
then trying to get to the next level. We see
guys all the time and they play in the playoffs
and they have amazing games. All look at this sixteen
tackles this guy. I don't care what you say about
his size, He's going to the NFL. Then he doesn't

(45:53):
even get drafted and he's not even the league in
a year like it did that. The jump is you
have to be able to be that physical specimen. You
can't you and make it to the NFL on gyle
and guts, and so this is not nineteen seventy five
where you know this is. This is a little bit different.
If you can't, if you're not fast enough, you're not
big enough there. I mean, it's he's a great story,
and I feel bad about saying what I gotta be
realistic with how I think is his his prospects are

(46:15):
and I don't see him being that guy that trans
like twenty three hundred total yards Mike cal Stott, Right,
he's not Mike Alston, He's not Peyton Hill.

Speaker 3 (46:22):
It's like, I mean, he's.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
He's gonna be Kyle Ustcheck. Like that's kind of career though,
if that's a career. But no, but suddenly, but Kyle
Yuschick is a guy you get in the seventh round.
You you you picked up as a fight agent. Like
that's like he's more Kyle hust Check. But that's fine.
That still projects to a long career. And if he's
playing that position, guess what, ust Jack ain't gonna be
the Pro Bowl full neck forever. So all of a sudden,

(46:45):
you've got.

Speaker 4 (46:46):
Haha, opportunity knocks forty five catches this year over six
hundred receiving yards. Yeah, he could very easily be that
guy because my immediately started thinking about all Stott. But
the explosiveness he had coming out of purdueing those first
few year with the Bucks was something different. Watching you know,
the big ten bag, No, nicely done and that is

(47:06):
that that's that's he In Frostburg. We laughed because he
busted out a Goldberg reference, which normally leads to big
fights amongst people of how good or poor a wrestler
Goldberg was. If you want to chime in on that,
at Swollen for the wrestling takes because he goes into
locker rooms and he wants to fight guys. Uh who

(47:28):
diminished his wrestling career. But either way, he did play football.
He was a falcon and all that stuff back in
the day. But for Scataboo, yeah, it's trying to figure
out what that role would be. Use Check if that
becomes the comp then he's at a hell of a run.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, I mean that look and use Check is a
guy that's made the Pro Bowl a bunch of times
being a full back, but he's not someone that hey
he's he's he's changing the course of a game. He's
not gonna suddenly be a big superstar.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
It's not that.

Speaker 4 (47:54):
But big plays big spots and certainly opened his fair
share of holes to make the offense. So you know
that that becomes a.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Pretty good career.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
But off of what we watched this year, I mean,
twenty three hundred total yards over twenty touchdowns, it's gonna
capture the fancy of some coordinator's eye because of the
shift that we have going back. And it doesn't mean
quarterbacks aren't still a list a number one of how
you're building your offenses. But we did see a number

(48:25):
of the complimentary players where we we've talked as much
about them at times as we have. You know, certainly
their quarterbacks, uh, and they're making their offenses moves. So
for Scataboom, I hope he lands in a place where
he becomes.

Speaker 3 (48:39):
That cult hero.

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Now let's get to the lack of a targeting call
that potentially cost Arizona State the game against Texas. Okay,
because I've heard a lot of bad stuff today and
a lot of a lot of not because I can
explain to you exactly why that flag wasn't thrown.

Speaker 3 (48:55):
Starts Arizona State not win too. I guess that did.
I can.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I can tell you exactly why that flag wasn't thrown.
And everybody's missing the point, right, what's the biggest thing.
I don't know what targeting is. Nobody seems to know
what targeting is. All the officials know what targeting is. Okay,
trust me, they do this for They all know what
target is. They're not somebody who shows up in a
game going I don't know, Uncle.

Speaker 3 (49:18):
Jim, can you tell me this is targeting? I don't know.
I'm only a referee. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (49:22):
Every set of officials has their different interpretations of what
the targeting rule is, right, and for any and every
every every officiating career has their own interpretation of when
they call holding, when they call different penalties, pass interference,
all those things, defensive holding, all of it. So you know,
there's a little bit of a of a of a

(49:44):
of a vary of a variable from from crew to crew. Okay,
now knowing this, they all know what targeting is. Arizona
State had the big interception that helped their comeback early
in the second half. They should have called targeting on
Arizona State. You saw the Arizona State dB leave his feet,
lead with his head, and throw his arm out at

(50:05):
the Texas Wide receiver and it didn't get called because
they didn't make contact with his head. But in every
everything I've ever seen with that, that's targeting. Right, leave
your feet, lead with your head, put your arm out
to leave with that, that's targeting.

Speaker 4 (50:18):
Yeah, to continue our restaurant. Yeah, analogies, it's a road
warrior shoulder tackle. Yeah, but it didn't get called. It
didn't get called.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
So obviously this is part of what the the the
officiating crew believes about targeting. So that's a huge clue
that people aren't bringing up that should have been targeting.
Should have taken away Arizona State's interception because that was targeting.
I don't know why, but that was targeting. So now
you have this play which absolutely is targeting. I'm not

(50:46):
saying I'm not saying, hey, they shouldn't have They were
right for not throwing the flag. No, it was egregious.
This was helmet to helmet. This was targeting. But I'm
telling you why they didn't throw the flag. So now
you have a play at the end of the game
where they didn't call targeting before and Arizona State counterception
kept going. That's in officials' minds. You think it's not,
but it is. Here's a play that potentially would give

(51:07):
the game to Arizona State. It would give the game
to Arizona State, and the officiating crew, the replay crew, everybody,
i'm sure, thought the same thing. We didn't call it before,
whether we missed it for whatever reason, we didn't call
it before. Wow, if we call it now, that really
isn't fair. Let's let the players decide the game. So
they said no targeting because you can't look at it

(51:28):
and say that's not targeting, and all the outrage of
that's try. I can't believe it. No, they knew exactly
that it was targeting, but they knew before. Obviously they
have a bit of a looser interpretation of targeting. But
the fact they didn't call it when they should have
on the interception and they so they said we're not
calling it here doesn't make it right, but it means
that's your explanation. Everybody knows what targeting is. They made

(51:48):
the decision to not call it because of that. That's
why there was no targeting call. That's why Texas kept
the football and they won.

Speaker 4 (51:54):
Let the players determine the out outcome your mark on
the quote. I've had multiple discussions seeking clarity surrounding the
targeting call in Arizona State final drive of the fourth
quarter with Richard Clark. Moving forward, need to address officiating
to ensure national standards are developed. These standards will be

(52:15):
critical to the cfp's future, and I look forward to
discussing them with my fellow committee members when we meet next.
So now they want the investigation, they want a Blue
Ribbon panel to be commissioned to break down. I think
your argument on this is logical and flows part of
it is, and I think we can go crew to

(52:36):
crew and there's certainly sites for officiating stats, NFL, college,
et cetera, to try to determine, you know, when maybe
the whistle goes into the pocket, right, unless it's absolutely egregious,
which I think everybody would argue. Certainly, the ladder of
the calls, the one that should have been on Texas,

(52:57):
that's letter of the law. The other bang bang slow
it down on replay, whatever, didn't have the helmet contact
all of that. So some might argue that that didn't count.
It's kind of like what we were talking about before
with the two running into the punter calls that were
that occurred in the in the game earlier today, as

(53:18):
Notre Dame's defensive end got off pretty easily against the
punter for Georgia. And you can always make the argument
of light leaves is is kicking leg in the air
a little longer? No, both of these were pretty egregious
I'm just running through you kind of violations. But by
the letter of the law, it's running into because it's

(53:39):
not the plant leg as opposed to you know, getting
getting the fifteen yard penalty. So same kind of thing,
letter versus spirit of the law. Time down in distance,
when you swallow the whistle and when you do, for
lack of a better term, make good calls or makeup calls,
because that may have very well been the the or

(54:00):
of the day versus hey, in the final couple of minutes,
they can beat the hell out of each other.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Let it go, telling you they all know that's why
it wasn't called. Trust me that they all know what
it is. They decided not to call it because they
missed it the last time, and they kept it even
you think makeup calls don't happen, makes bias happens all
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doesn't matter if you're winning fifty two to fourteen. Jackson
Jackson Dart throwing a seventy yard touchdown with with ole
miss being up forty five fourteen against Duke. So Manny
Diaz and Duke decide, let's do the throwback play on
the kickoff. So they do the throwback play, they run

(55:49):
it back for a touchdown. So now it's fifty two
to twenty with a minute to go in the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
Forget about just run the football. The game was over.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
No, no, no, Jackson Dart, we want another touchdown? Touchdows Oh.
Lane Kiffen wants to show everybody, Hey, man, oh, we
should have been in the playoff. Take that playoff. Yes,
you beat a Duke team that didn't beat anybody this year. Yes, congratulations,
you did great.

Speaker 4 (56:09):
Can they extend the beelama and mean her thing and
actually fight instead of just war of words and then off?
This will be hey, I have hey, hey, hey, all
due respect. I mean I have great respect for his
body of work.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
Why this will be a fun postgame handshake with Lane
Kiffin and Manny Diaz. This'll be fun joining us now
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(56:47):
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Speaker 3 (56:55):
How are you?

Speaker 5 (56:56):
I was your in the college football playoff at this point?
I mean, that's the biter. That performance. They should be
my favorite part. You can't alluded to it. My favorite
part of the Bull season so far was the Beilama
Beamer thing where obviously beat Beielm is in Beamer's head.
You know, they're even a kitchen making waffles, and like Beamer,

(57:17):
Beamer's like yelling him hold me back, and like his
assistants are holding it back if that dude gets loose,
and Bielma was like, okay, dude, you you really want
to do this. Bielam was like six nine, nine hundred pounds.
He would have just destroyed Beamer if they if it
was really odd and they really got into a fight.
But no, no hold him back, No Beamer is gonna
come at him, and you know, like, what's he gonna do?

Speaker 1 (57:41):
I'll tell you, Pete, I really can't wait for this
postgame handshake with Ole Miss and Duke. Right now, with
a minute and a half left to go, as we said,
Jackson Dart throws a seventy yard touchdown. They're up forty
five to fourteen. Duke runs the head that runs the
throwback on the kickoff, they run it back for touchdown
and then they try to onside and they don't get it.

(58:02):
This is gonna be a fun handshake between the two
of these two guys.

Speaker 5 (58:05):
I love Laye Kiffin. I'm a fan, and he's gonna
somehow claim that you know, you put it dead on right,
Dupe beaten nobody. Duke best win is like yu kon
I mean literally, I mean I think maybe North Carolina
was his best win. It doesn't have its starting quarterback.
It's a Duke. Uh and the a SEC has been
just gone awful this whole bull season. But oh look

(58:28):
at the big man, oh Miss, Oh they belong in this.
You know they should have been in the You know
final twelve. All right, well, don't lose to Kentucky. But yeah,
this'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
All right. Now, let's get to what we saw earlier.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Today, Georgia goes down Notre Dame's defense really carries the day.

Speaker 3 (58:44):
They win a twenty three to ten.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
I know, Kirby Smart is jumping around saying, oh, I
want to be aggressive. I want to be aggressive. But Pete,
he had to get to halftime. It's a six to
three game, and he decides, hey, let's really go for it,
like they can get down the field in thirty seconds
when they haven't done it so far. They wind up
getting sacked and and Notre Dames in the end zone.
And that was the game right there. That was too
much for oh Georgia to overcome. I don't understand why

(59:08):
they just don't get to halftime that that that's the play.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I don't get it.

Speaker 5 (59:12):
I love that you go full Beano cooking, No tra Dame,
no day like that. Yeah with n O t R
A Dame. Yeah, like that's been Dame. Yeah, and look
I guess, yeah, I guess you're trying to do something.
I mean, you know, Gunnar stocked in was not the problem,
but when you're not doing he's trying to do something
the lifting, but like, the one thing you couldn't do

(59:34):
is screw it, screw up. And even then, even after
they did that, they tried two more plays that either
one of those could have gone wrong. Instead of let's
just get in the halftime, they tried like to a handoff,
like a short pass, and god forbid, something else weird happened.
And then of course coming out of halftime you get
the kick six that has effectively in the game. But yeah,
it was. It was a strange performance. And I've been

(59:56):
talking all year about how Ohio State Georgia the two best.
It just depends on who's playing like it. Ohio State
is playing like it now, and Georgia just never flipped
the switch. I mean they did at times, they did
in the second half of the SEC Championship game, but
it just kind of seemed like this team just never
quite had it. They just never you know, for be
the number two seed and all that, they just never meshed.

(01:00:20):
And tonight, Look, if you had told Kirby Smart before
the game that the great orname running backs, We're gonna
do absolutely nothing the Irish, We're gonna run for eighty
eight yards. I honestly don't think Roley Leonard completed a
downfield pass of more than three feet And really, you
lost twenty three to ten. How does that happen when

(01:00:41):
Notre Dame did nothing offensively all night?

Speaker 4 (01:00:44):
Yeah, Riley Lowdard was pretty salty, even in the glory
of the victory.

Speaker 3 (01:00:49):
Yeah, we were good.

Speaker 4 (01:00:51):
But all of that, how many sideline interference points of
emphasis now come up?

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
You know what? This has been a weird bull satn't
for the refs. I mean, it's just the Georgia Tech
got hose. Boston College had a bad one against him.
There was a little tippy that hold the flag on
that one, because that was a big deal, huge placed
that that thing gets them right and range, they're right
and scoring and said and knocked him back nextra fifteen

(01:01:17):
yards and you know he just kind of eat eat
it on that one and give him a sideline morning
or something. I just and then I still think that
Jack Kaiser saying past interference calls it right. But there
was There's just been a lot of odd I'm not
gonna blame the refs guy, but it's been an odd
Bowl season all the way around for the referees.

Speaker 3 (01:01:35):
Jack Guyser, friend of the show. Yeah, a that ye fault.
We did not correct.

Speaker 4 (01:01:41):
We talked to a guy he gets in trouble somewhere.

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Beat he you know what, if you.

Speaker 5 (01:01:46):
Get to the prud of that thing down, it was perfect.
He didn't really tell. It was like the most perfectly
timed thing. And both two officials through the flag because
it looked like past interference. That just said, okay what
I kind of muddled him. He actually didn't. It was
actually a perfect play, but it didn't turn out some matter.
They ended up you know, blitzings stocked in un fourth
down and that was it. So uh no, they pitched

(01:02:08):
a perfect game. Now they're gonna be Penn State and
then go to Ohio State, go playoffose State, lose by thirty,
and you know that the offseason.

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Well, I got to say, I gotta give you a
lot of credit because you know, before the playoff even started,
even after they lost to Michigan, you said Ohio State's
gonna win the national title. And then of course I
added in and they'll still be a failure because they
lost to Michigan. But clearly they are the best team left.
The only thing and this is a weird thing. The
only thing I think they can stop them is if
they get in their own way. That's the only game

(01:02:37):
they can stop Ohio State at this point.

Speaker 5 (01:02:39):
Or what's the line if they changed uniforms to Michigan. Yeah,
and the other tex Changchigan were exactly Actually, let's let's
let's do this right here. I told you all in
March that put your money down on Ohio State because
they were the best team. And it's you know this
college football isn't hard. You know this, it's the there is,

(01:03:02):
the talent is parent disparity is so massive. You're not
We're never gonna get us Cinderella in this college football playoffs.
You're not gonna get Central Directional State getting hot from
three for you know, two games, and you know, moving
up in the tournament, you're not gonna get the hot pitchers,
you know, for two games to make it a series.
You might have an upset here or there like Cacuver Michigan.

(01:03:22):
I'm sorry, too soon, but you're not gonna get two
of those, you know, And so you're gonna get a
Final four every single year of you know, no tre
Dame Ohio State Texas and it's gonna be all powerhouses
every single year, and we're seeing it now. Ohio State
has the best team. Mohio States has just freaking Kelly
as its offensive coordinator. Like they're just they get so

(01:03:45):
much more more resources and so much more talent than
everyone else, and like you said, the only thing that
can get in their head is that they can't get
out of their own way. Unfortunately, they get the team
that the ultimate get in their own head, which is Texas,
which is gonna go Texas thing at some point because
they're gonna find something that works.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
And hey, Texas yesterday, pete Texas Texas a lot yesterday and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:08):
They still able to win.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
I don't know what it's like the last last year
against Washington and the semi finals where okay, we're playing
against like the one hundred and nineteenth best pass defense,
you know what, with eight minutes to go, let's start
throwing a little bit. Let's see if that were like
they just they get so cute with that team and
they're gonna find something that works with the Hoose State
and then they're gonna screw it all up. But they

(01:04:33):
couldn't run at all on Arizona State. If as long
as Ohio State doesn't believe its own press clippings and
all that, if they come out like with their hair
on fire like they've done the last two games, they're
just gonna rip through Texas and then that National Championships over.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
I think we just need to fabricate a bunch of
negative stories so they get all mad like they did
after the last yea.

Speaker 5 (01:04:52):
Yeah and no joke. Everybody's like, well now look at
them doing this. Well now, still, if they lose to Texas,
the the fire Ryan Day crowd is gonna be right
back again because now they've seen what this team should do,
and they're right, because this is what this team should
have done all year long. But look, as it turns up,

(01:05:13):
Michigan's defense did that to be fully function. Obama too,
you know, maybe that defund something late in the year.
So give Amazing Blue a little bit of credit for
that game.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
I'm glad you bring that up, because Pete, I really
can't believe the other big news today, Jaln Milroe is
headed to the NFL. Now, I can't believe he wants
to go off of that game against Michigan, which was
about his bad. I've never seen him play that bad,
whether he was tipping plays or not, I have never
seen him play that bad. And I kind of feel
like he's jumping to the NFL because he doesn't want

(01:05:43):
to transfer, but he knows he could wind up losing
the job next year because you could see the frustration
Alabama had with him during that game against Michigan. I really,
I don't know that there's been a guy that's seen
his stock fall more than Milroe this ball season.

Speaker 5 (01:05:56):
Oh, the NFL guys still love him. I mean, if
you're an NFL scout worth your salt, you don't need
to see that. You know what the guy is. You know,
you know how these players play. I mean, so, yeah,
he did not have a great game. I don't quite
see him as a high end NFL starter, But you know,
Typer's got my third among the quarterbacks, which seems a

(01:06:19):
little bit of a stretch to me. But he's good.
But like, here's here's where this gets weird. Is now
we're getting to the point where you could make more
as a quarterback transferring that you might make as a
rookie in the NFL. Like if quinn Ewers could really
make six million by going somewhere else, I don't like
Ohio State. Back to Ohio State. Then why would you

(01:06:42):
go to the NFL necessarily unless you want to get
to that second contract faster. I mean, it's it's it's
kind of a weird time, like do I transfer and
make a lot of money or do I go to
the NFL and start my career and maybe at works,
maybe it doesn't. It's it's a weird time. But for Milroe, okay,
I mean he is going to be a released second rounder.
You know, maybe you know then again, you know, you

(01:07:05):
never know which quarterbacks and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't,
and you know it has to be the right fit,
right team. But all right, let's see what he can do.
I think it's a magnificent college player. But you're right,
that was a bad performance against Michigan.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
Now off the wins against SMU and Boise State, both
of them had great opportunities. James Franklin, how much will
people still clamor for the He still hasn't won a
big game yet.

Speaker 5 (01:07:31):
All of them. And I mean it's because if he
loses this, it'll be like, okay, well yeah, you beat
you know, you you know, had dinner at the kids
table for two runs. I mean, and that's it's it's
not fair. I mean, he's won so many games. It's
so hard to win as many games as teams. Franklin

(01:07:52):
hasn't this whole the whole can't win the big one crowd. Well,
there's a lot of coaches that can't win the medium one.
And so you give him credit for being a seventy
plus percent winning percentage guy. I think you should get
way more credit than he's getting. But yeah, and this
is is this Pence, they exposed the glitch in the system.
Where not really fair that they get s MU and

(01:08:13):
Boise State. You know, let's let's wear adults here. You know,
we're just us talking. That's those are the free space games.
And you've got one team that had to go against
you know, Indiana and Oregon, and you know, then you
have to play you know, nod Nordame plays Indiana and Georgia,
and then ohiose has to play Tennessee and Oregon. A

(01:08:34):
little bit of a different path to get to this
this final four.

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Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
It is there for you right now. Pete is always
buddy appreciated.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
I look forward to seeing what you have to say
about Note Tre Dame coming up in the next year.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
So yeah, and so you make everything set for your
comic and I owe money to keep him around there.

Speaker 2 (01:09:01):
Now, Hey, we're.

Speaker 3 (01:09:03):
Waiting for that waiver.

Speaker 2 (01:09:04):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
I got the champagne ready if he gets that waiver
to see you, buddy, have fun.

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