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Jason and Mike tell explain why targeting wasn’t called at the end of the Texas/Arizona State game. Our college football Insider Pete Fiutak drops by to preview the semifinal games. And Jason tells you why Patrick Mahomes not making the Pro Bowl was the right call.

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(00:51):
up at about twenty minutes out the latest from Notre
Dame in Georgia. Get set for the Final four now
in college football? Uh, but the biggest story of the
playoffs so far, Well, I want to say this. I
am gonna miss saying Skataboo. I'm gonna miss that. It's
one of the more fun names to say in sports.

(01:12):
It's fun because I could just walk around the house going scataboo, scataboo.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Will you do the fandango? Send a bolt of leg?

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Very can be Yeah, you get the quickest two minutes
drill from Boomer Scataboo calls from the NFL.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
Oh sure, scatabooz Scataboo's cat.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Let me say this about about Cam scattaboo first, because
I I kind of have a different I think people
are kind of caught up in the moment with skataboo kataboo. Uh, well,
you do the fandango, send a bolt of that. He's
a phenomenal college football player. Okay, he is a phenomenal
college football player. And some of the things you saw.

(01:51):
You know he doesn't skip leg day, that's number one.
That's why I'm sure you love me. Doesn't skip leg.
Do you know that hard to bring down runs really hard,
can do a lot. He is a phenomenal college football player.
I don't know that he translates to the NFL, and
I get I've seen some people and scouts saying, oh,
you can't bring him down. That that's a big trade tap.

(02:11):
Of course, not being able to brought down as a
big trade tap for the next level, but if you
he's someone who is undersized and not fast. And that's
the thing is that you can be not cool. You
can you can be a not fast running back if
you're big. You can also not be a big running back.
If you're really fast, you can't be not big and slow. Right,

(02:33):
that was the whole thing that happened to me in football.
I was like, hey, boy, I was I was short,
but boy was I slow. Uh And and Skataboo is someone.

Speaker 3 (02:41):
At the next level.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
He's gonna get swallowed up because everybody tackles in the
NFL because guys say, hey, I either feed my family
or I don't if I make this tackle. Right, you
see once in a while, boy that defensive back really
not inhouldn't make it a sax decision. No, he make tackle,
I don't see him getting separation. He's he's a guy
that'll be a fan favorite on a team. He'll play

(03:03):
special teams. He'll maybe get a couple of carries, maybe
get the goal line. He can kind of be that
that that fullback sort of cult hero that people like
that will do anything for the team. And and and I
guess people buy in his jerseys. But he's not gonna
come to the NFL and be a star. He's just
not He's not fast enough, and he's not big enough,
and he's gonna get swallowed. You try to give him

(03:23):
the ball, You try to get the ball, run the sweep.
I don't know if we'll get past the line of scrimmage.
I mean, this is this is how good the defenses
are in the NFL. Yes, I get that he's not
he boy. They couldn't bring him down. This is college, Okay,
it's this is not the NFL again. This is now
where I feed my family. By knocking your ASTs out
behind the line of scrimmage, That's how I feed my family.
U defensive back is not feeding his family by tackling

(03:46):
you or not tackling Uh, it's gonna be a different thing.
He is an awesome He's a fun player to watch.
He's very aware of himself being a star. He likes
he loves the spotlight. It's awesome. He feels comfortable in it.

Speaker 3 (03:57):
His dad.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
It's fun seeing cutaways to him during the games. But
when it comes to skataboo with NFL, yeah, I'm much
more bearish on him than at Yeah.

Speaker 5 (04:06):
I mean, the curiosity comes you know, how do you
use them at the next level because is measurables five eleven,
two fifteen John Robinson's five eleven at.

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah being also being Robbins a tiny bit faster, just
a little bit, just a tiny bit faster than.

Speaker 5 (04:20):
You know, wanted to do the one for one of guys.
And look, we'll try to figure out the database of
other guys that measure the same. But yeah, you play
a step slower. But power comes into into play and
short yardage, goal line situations. To Frostburg's point, you know,
the full back position because with the running game being
back in vogue and trying to do more play action

(04:42):
and keep your quarterback from getting killed and having a
capable blocker back there, perhaps that's where he.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
Settles in a bit.

Speaker 5 (04:50):
If nothing else, he he gets the Tim Tebow effect
to a degree of you'll you'll have the notoriety from
his collegiate play. Right now, he's in broid than a
bunch of back and forth in social media, is over
throwing up and having been out with his family before
and a lot of fighting, and you know the firestorm
that comes out of that kind of thing. But uh,

(05:12):
you'll have that that cult of sketu mo that and
a good locker room guy, good leader. Right, but you
saw what his coach had to say about him, like
all all the you know this quarterback and and let
let it and everybody else like just how much uh
they love the guys so uh that that'll learn you

(05:34):
the the start uh in the in the NFL, and
and putting up big numbers here at the end of
your collegiate run on a on a big national spotlight
kind of scale. So now it's just the curiosity of
where you can go, uh, and what becoming a star
really means, right, because it doesn't have to be a
twenty five touch a game guy probably won't be. But

(05:56):
how many guys are right? How many guys do you
really see? That in the felly?

Speaker 1 (06:01):
But he's not even a thunder of a thunder and lightning,
Like you can't give him the But he's not fast enough.
You gotta be bigger again. You can be slow if
you're big, you can be you can be short if
you're fast. You can't be short and slow. I'm sorry,
you can't do it. He's breaking the mold. You can't
do it in his I mean he would break every
jets record. You know how many records of Jets have

(06:23):
not many? And you know how many yards he would
have on that defense, on the Jets defense. Oh yeah,
yeah yeah, all of them? Yeah sure, yeah, not if
Robert Solow handily almost took Texas down.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I know it was awesome, it was was up.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
But there's one there's thing about playing at this level
and then trying to get to the next level. We
see guys all the time and they play in the
playoffs and they have amazing games. All look at this
sixteen tackles this guy. I don't care what you say
about his size. He's going to the NFL. Then he
doesn't even get drafted and he's not even the league
in the year like it did. The jump is you
have to be able to be that physical specimen.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
You can't.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
You can't make it to the NFL on gyle and
guts and star. This is not nineteen seventy five where
you know this is. This is a little bit different.
If you can't, if you're not fast enough, you're not
big enough.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
There.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I mean, it's He's a great story and I feel
bad about say what I gotta be realistic with how
I think is his his his prospects are and I
don't see him being that guy that translate yard Carl Stott.

Speaker 3 (07:16):
Right, He's not Mike Alston, he's not Peyton Hill. It's like,
I mean, he's.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
He's gonna be Kyle Ustcheck, Like that's kind of career though,
that's a career.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
But he's not. But suddenly, but Kyle Yustick is a
guy you get in the seventh round. You you you
picked up as a fight agent.

Speaker 5 (07:30):
Like that's like more Kyle ust Check. But that's fine.
That still projects to a long career. And if he's
playing that position, guess what, ust Jack ain't gonna be
the Pro Bowl full neck forever. So all of a sudden,
you've got haha opportunity knocks forty five catches this year,
over six hundred receiving yards. Yeah, he could very easily
be that guy because my immediately started thinking about all Stott.

(07:52):
But the explosiveness he had coming out of Purdue in
those first few years with the Bucks was something different.
Watching you know, the big ten back, No nicely done
that is that's that's that's he In Frostburg. We laughed
because he busted out a Goldberg reference, which normally leads
to big fights amongst people of how good or poor

(08:15):
a wrestler. Goldberg was, if you want to chime in
on that, at Swollen for the wrestling Diggs because he
goes into locker rooms and he wants to fight guys.
Uh who diminished his wrestling career. But either way, he
did play football. He was a falcon and all that
stuff back in the day. But for Scataboo, yeah, it's
trying to figure out what that role would be. Use

(08:35):
Check if that becomes the comp then he's ad a
hell of a run.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Yeah, I mean that look and use Check is a
guy that's made the Pro Bowl a bunch of times
being a fullback. But he's not someone that, hey, he's
he's he's changing the course of a game. He's not
gonna suddenly be a big superstar.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
It's not that.

Speaker 5 (08:50):
But big plays big spots and certainly opened his fair
share of holes to make the offense hum.

Speaker 3 (08:56):
So you know that that becomes a pretty good career.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
But off of what we watched this year, I mean,
twenty three hundred total yards over twenty touchdowns, it's gonna
capture the fancy of some coordinator's eye because of the
shift that we have going back. It doesn't mean quarterbacks
aren't still a list a number one of how you're
building your offenses. But we did see a number of

(09:21):
the complimentary players where we we've talked as much about
them at times as we have. You know, certainly their quarterbacks, uh,
and they're making their offenses moves. So for Scataboom, I
hope he lands in a place where he becomes that
cult hero.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
Now let's get to the lack of a targeting call
that potentially cost Arizona State be game against Texas. Okay,
because I've heard a lot of bad stuff today and
a lot of a lot of not because I can
explain to you exactly why that flag wasn't throw.

Speaker 5 (09:51):
Starts playing Arizona State not win too. I get that,
did I can. I can tell you exactly why that
flag wasn't thrown. And everybody's missing the point, right. What's
the biggest thing.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
I don't know what targeting is. Nobody seems to know
what targeting is. All the officials know what targeting is. Okay,
trust me, they do this for They all know what
targeting is. They're not somebody who shows up at a
game going I don't know, Uncle Jim, can you tell
me this is targeting?

Speaker 3 (10:15):
I don't know. I'm only a referee. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
Every set of officials has their different interpretations of what
the targeting rule is, right, and for any and every
every every officiating career has their own interpretation of when
they call holding, when they call different penalties, pass interference,
all those things, defensive holding, all of it.

Speaker 3 (10:36):
So you know, there's a little bit of.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
A of a of a of a vary of a
variable from from crew to crew. Okay, now knowing this,
they all know what targeting is. Arizona State had the
big interception that helped their comeback early in the second half.
They should have called targeting on Arizona State. You saw
the Arizona State dB leave his feet, lead with his

(10:59):
head and throw his arm out at the Texas wide
receiver and it didn't get called because they didn't make
contact with his head.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
But in everything I've.

Speaker 1 (11:08):
Ever seen with that, that's targeting. Right, leave your feet,
lead with your head, put your arm out to leave
with that, that's targeting.

Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yeah, to continue our restaurant. Yeah, analogies, it's a road
warrior shoulder tackle. Yeah, but it didn't get called. It
didn't get called. So obviously this is part of what
the the the officiating crew believes about targeting. So that's
a huge clue that people aren't bringing up that should
have been targeting. Should have taken away Arizona State's interception
because that was targeting. I don't know why, but that

(11:37):
was targeting. So now you have this play which absolutely
is targeting. And I'm not saying I'm not saying, hey,
they shouldn't have. They were right for not throwing the flag. No,
it was egregious. This was helmet to helmet. This was targeting.
But I'm telling you why they didn't throw the flag.
So now you have a play at the end of
the game where they didn't call targeting before and Arizona
State gunterception kept going. That's in officials mind. You think

(12:00):
it's not, but it is. Here's a play that potentially
would give the game to Arizona State. It would give
the game to Arizona State, and the officiating crew, the
replay crew, everybody. I'm sure I thought the same thing.
We didn't call it before, whether we missed it for
whatever reason, we didn't call it before. Wow, if we
call it now that really isn't fair. Let's let the
players decide the game. So they said no targeting.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
Because you can't look at it and say that that's
not targeting, and all the outrage of that's try I
can't believe it. No, they knew exactly that it was targeting,
but they knew before. Obviously they have a bit of
a looser interpretation of targeting. But the fact they didn't
call it when they should have on the interception and
they so they said we're not calling it here doesn't
make it right, but it means that's your explanation. Everybody
knows what targeting is. They made the decision to not

(12:45):
call it because of that. That's why there was no
targeting call. That's why Texas kept the football and they won.
Let the players determine the out outcome. Your mark on
the call quote. I've had multiple discussions seeking clarity surrounding
the tire getting call in Arizona State final drive of
the fourth quarter. With Richard Clark.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Moving forward, need to address officiating to ensure national standards
are developed. These standards will be critical to the cfp's future,
and I look forward to discussing them with my fellow
committee members when we meet next. So now they want
the investigation, they want a Blue Ribbon panel to be
commissioned to break down. I think your argument on this

(13:26):
is logical and flows part of it is, and I
think we can go crew to crew, and there's certainly
sites for officiating stats, NFL college, et cetera, to try
to determine, you know, when maybe the whistle goes into
the pocket, right, unless it's absolutely egregious, which I think

(13:47):
everybody would argue. Certainly, the ladder of the calls, the
one that should have been on Texas, that's letter of
the law. The other bang bang, slow it down on
replay whatever didn't have the helmet contact to all of that,
so some might argue that that didn't count.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
It's kind of like what we were talking about before with.

Speaker 5 (14:05):
The two running into the punter calls that were that
occurred in the in the game earlier today, as Notre
Dame's defensive end got off pretty easily against the punter
for Georgia, and you can always make the argument of
light leaves his is kicking leg in the air a

(14:26):
little longer. No, both of these were pretty egregious. I'm
just running through you kind of violations, but by the
letter of the law it's running into because it's not
the plant leg as opposed to you know, get getting
the fifteen yard penalty. So same kind of thing, letter
versus spirit of the law. Time down in distance when
you swallow the whistle and when you do, for lack

(14:49):
of a better term, make good calls or makeup calls,
because that may have very well been the order of
the day versus hey, in the final couple of minutes,
they can beat the hell out of each other.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Let it go, telling you they all know, that's why
it wasn't called. Trust me that they all know what
it is. They decided not to call it because they
missed it the last time, and they kept it. Even
you think makeup calls don't happen, bias happens all the time.
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(15:25):
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Speaker 1 (16:31):
And uh, you know, doesn't matter if you're winning fifty
two to fourteen. Jackson Jackson Dart throwing a seventy yard
touchdown with with Ole miss being up forty five fourteen
against Duke so Manny Diaz and Duke decide, let's do

(16:53):
the throwback play on the kickoff. So they do the
throwback play, they run it back for a touchdown. So
now it's fifty two to twenty with a minute ago
in the fourth quarter. Forget about just run the football.

Speaker 3 (17:04):
The game is over.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
No, no, no, Jackson Dart we want another touchdown? Noother touchdowns?

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Lane Kiffen wants to show everybody, Hey, man, oh, we
should have been in the playoff. Take that playoff. Yes
you beat a Duke team that didn't beat anybody this year. Yes, congratulations.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Great.

Speaker 5 (17:17):
Can they extend the Beelama and Beamer thing and actually
fight instead of just war of words and then off?
This will be hey, I have hey, hey, hey, all
due respect. I mean I have great respect for his
body of work.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Why this will be a fun postgame handshake with Lane
Kiffin and Manny Diaz. This'll be fun joining us down
the hot line. Nobody better to break down what we
saw today, what we have seen, what we will see
than the owner, editor, proprietor of College Footballnews dot com.
All the predictions, all the analysis. He's gotten every playoff
game right so far. Hammering final score has been correct.

(17:55):
He also wants to move Kyle McCord up on his
heisman ballot. He is College Footballnews dot COM's Pete Feu Tach, Pete,
what's happening, buddy?

Speaker 3 (18:03):
How are you?

Speaker 6 (18:03):
How was Syracuse not in the college football playoff at
this point? I mean, that's after that performance, they should
be my favorite part. You can't alluded to it. My
favorite part of the Bull season so far was the
Beilama Beamer thing where obviously be Bielm is in Beamer's head.
You know, they're even a kitchen making waffles, and like Beamer,

(18:25):
Beamer's like yelling him hold me back, and like his
assistants are holding it back if that dude gets loose,
and Fielma was like, okay, dude, you really want to
do this. Beielam is like six nine, nine hundred pounds.
He would have just destroyed Beamer if they if it
was really odd and they really got into a fight.
But no, no, hold him back. No Beamer is gonna
come at him, and you know, like, what's he gonna do.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
I'll tell you, Pete, I really can't wait for this
postgame handshake with ole Miss and Duke. Right now, with
a minute and a half left to go. As we said,
Jackson Dart throws a seventy yard touchdown. They're up four,
five to four. Team Duke runs the head that runs
the throwback on the kickoff, they run it back for
a touchdown, and.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Then they tried on side kick and they don't get it.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
This is gonna be a fun handshake between the two
of these two guys.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
I love Lane Kiffin. I'm a fan, and he's gonna
somehow claim that. You know here, you put it dead
on right, Dukee beaten nobody, and Duke Win is like yukon.
I mean literally, I mean I think maybe North Carolina
was his best win. It doesn't have its starting quarterback,
it's Duke. Uh and the a SEC has been just
gone awful this whole bull season. But oh, look at

(19:35):
look at the big man. Oh miss oh, they belong
in this. You know they should have been in the
you know, final twelve. All right, Well, don't love to Kentucky,
but yeah, it'll be fun.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
All right.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Now, let's get to what we saw earlier today. Georgia
goes down. Notre Dame's defense really carries the day. They
win at twenty three to ten. I know, Kirby Smart
is jumping around saying, oh, I want to be aggressed.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
I want to be aggressive. But Pete he had to
get to halftime.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's a six to three game, and he decides, hey,
let's really go for it, like they can get down
the field in thirty seconds when they haven't done it
so far. They wind up getting sacked and and Notre
Dame's in the end zone and that was the game
right there. That was too much for Oh Georgia to overcome.
I don't understand why they just don't get to halftime
that that that's the play.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
I don't get it.

Speaker 6 (20:20):
I love that you go full Beano cooking, no tre Dame,
no Traday like that, Yeah, with n otr a Dame. Yeah,
like that's f tra Dame.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (20:31):
And look I guess, yeah, I guess you're trying to
do something. I mean, you know, Gunnar stocked in was
not the problem, but when you're not doing it, he's
trying to do something the lifting. But like, the one
thing you couldn't do is screw it, screw up. And
even then, even after they did that, they tried two
more plays that either one of those could have gone wrong.
Instead of let's just get in the halftime they tried

(20:51):
like to a handoff, like a short pass, and god forbid,
something else weird happened. And then of course coming out
of halftime you get the kick six and efectively in
the game. But yeah, it was it was a strange performance.
And I've been talking all year about how Ohio State
Georgia are the two best teams. It just depends on
who's playing like it. Ohio State is playing like it
now and Georgia just never flipped the switch. I mean

(21:15):
they did at times, they did in the second half
of the SEC Championship game, but it just kind of
seemed like this team just never quite had it. They
just never you know, for being the number two seed
and all that, they just they just never meshed. And tonight, look,
if you had told Kirby Smart before the game that
the great door name running backs, we're gonna do absolutely
nothing the Irish, We're going to run for eighty eight yards,

(21:37):
I honestly don't think Roley Leonard completed a downfield pass
of more than three feet. And really, you lost twenty
three to ten. How does that happen when Notre Dame
did nothing offensively all night.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Yeah, Riley Lowdard was pretty salty, even in the glory
of the victory, owing, yeah we were good. But all
of that, Hey, how many sideline interference points of emphasis
now come up?

Speaker 6 (22:05):
You know what? This has been a weird Bowl season
for the ref I mean, it's just the Georgia Tech
got hose. Boston College had a bad one against him.
There was a little tippy that hold the flag on
that way because that was a big deal, huge place
sidelight that that thing gets them right and range, they're
right and scoring and said and knocked him back an
extra fifteen yards, and you know you just kind of

(22:27):
eat eat it on that one and give him a
sideline morning or something. I just and then I still
think that Jack Kaiser thing of past interference calls it right.
But there was there's just been a lot of odd
I'm not to blame the refs guy, but it's been
an odd Bowl season all the way around for the referees.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
Jack Guyser, friend of the show, Yeah, all for that.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
It's not my fault. We did not.

Speaker 5 (22:49):
We talked to a guy he gets in trouble somewhere.

Speaker 6 (22:51):
Beat he You know what if you get you the
proud or that thing down. It was perfect. He didn't
really tell It was like the most perfectly times thing.
And both two officials through the flag because it looked
like past interference. Just say, okay what I kind of
mauled him. He actually didn't. It was actually a perfect play.
But it didn't turn out the matter. They ended up

(23:12):
you know, bullet things stocked in on fourth down and.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
That was it.

Speaker 6 (23:15):
So uh no, they pitched a perfect game. Now they're
going to be Penn State and then go to Ohio State,
go Playohouse State, lose by thirty, and you know that's
the offseason.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
Well, I gotta say, I got to give you a
lot of credit because you know, before the playoff even started,
even after they lost to Michigan, you said Ohio State's
gonna win the national title. And then of course I
added in and they'll still be a failure because they
lost to Michigan. But clearly they are the best team left.
The only thing, and this is a weird thing. The
only thing I think they can stop them is if
they get in their own way. That's the only time

(23:44):
they can stop Ohio State at this point, or.

Speaker 6 (23:47):
What's the line if they changed uniforms to Michigan. Yeah,
and the other texang Michigan exactly. Actually, let's let's let's
do this right here. I told y'all in March that
put your money down on Ohio State because they were
the best team. It's you know, this college football isn't hard,

(24:07):
you know, and this it's the there is the talent.
This parent diparty is so massive. You're not We're never
going to get us Cinderella in this college footballlayoffs. You're
not going to get Central Directional State getting hot from
three for you know, two games, and you know, moving
up in the tournament, you're not going to get the
hot pitchers, you know, for two games to make it
a series. You might have an upset here or there,

(24:29):
like CaCu over Michigan. I'm sorry too soon, but you're
not going to get two of those, you know. And
so you're gonna get a final four every single year
of you know, no tre Dame Ohio State, Texas, and
it's gonna be all powerhouses every single year. And we're
seeing it now. Ohio State has the best team. Mohio
State has has just freaking Kelly as its offensive coordinator.

(24:51):
Like they're just they get so much more more resources
and so much more talent than everyone else, and like
you said, the only thing that can get in their
head is that they can't get out of their own way.
And fortunately they get the team that the ultimate get
in their own head, which is Texas, which is gonna
go Texas thing at some point because they're gonna find
something that works.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Heyde Texas yesterday, Pete Texas, Texas a lot yesterday and
they're still able to win.

Speaker 6 (25:18):
I don't know what it's like the last year against
Washington and the semi finals, where okay, we're playing against
like the one hundred and nineteenth best pass defense, you
know what, with eight minutes to go, let's start throwing
a little bit. Let's see if that were like they
just they get so cute with that team and they're
gonna find something that works with the Ohio State and
then they're gonna screw it all up. But they couldn't

(25:41):
run at all on Arizona State if as long as
Ohio State doesn't believe its own press clippings and all that,
if they come out like with their hair on fire
like they've done, the last two games, they're just gonna
rip through Texas and then the National Championships over.

Speaker 5 (25:55):
I think we just need to fabricate a bunch of
negative stories so they get all mad like they did after.

Speaker 6 (26:01):
And no joke, everyone's like, well now look at them
doing this. Well now, still, if they lose to Texas,
the fire Ryan Day crowd is gonna go right back
again because now they've seen what this team should do.
And they're right, because this is what this team should
have done all year long. But look, as it turns out,
Michigan's defense did that's to be fully function Obama too,

(26:24):
you know, maybe that defound something late in the year.
So give Amazing Blue a little bit of credit for
that game.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
Now, I'm glad you bring that up, because Pete, I
really can't believe the other big news today, Jaln Milroe
is headed to the NFL.

Speaker 3 (26:35):
Now.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
I can't believe he wants to go off of that
game against Michigan, which was about his bad I've never
seen him play that bad, whether he was tipping plays
or not, I have never seen him play that bad.
And I kind of feel like he's jumping to the
NFL because he doesn't want to transfer, but he knows
he could wind up losing the job next year because
you could see the frustration Alabama had with him during

(26:57):
that game against Michigan. I really, I don't know that
there's been a guy that's seen the stocks fall more
than Noro this ball season.

Speaker 6 (27:03):
Oh, the NFL guys still love him. I mean, if
you're an NFL scout worth your salt, you don't need
to see that. You know what the guy is. You know,
you know how these players play. I mean, so, yeah,
he did not have a great game. I don't quite
see him as a high end NFL starter, But you know,
Typer's got my third among the quarterbacks, which seems a

(27:27):
little bit of a stretch to me. But he's good.
But like, here's here's where this gets weird. Is now
we're getting to the point where you could make more
as a quarterback transferring that you might make as a
rookie in the NFL. Like if quinn Ewers could really
make six million by going somewhere else, I don't like
Ohio State, back to Ohio State, then why would you

(27:50):
go to the NFL necessarily unless you want to get
to that second contract faster. I mean, it's it's kind
of a weird time, like do I transfer and make
a lot of money or do I go to the
NFL and start my career and maybe it works, maybe
it doesn't. It's it's a weird time. But for Milroe, okay,
I mean he is going to be a release second rounder.
You know, maybe you know. Then again, you know, you

(28:13):
never know with quarterbacks and sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't,
and you know, has to be the right fit, right team.
But all right, let's see what he can do. I
think it's a magnificent college player. But you're right, that
was a bad performance against Michigan.

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Now off the wins against SMU and Boise State, both
of them had great opportunities. James Franklin, how much will
people still clamor for the He still hasn't won a
big game.

Speaker 6 (28:38):
Yet all of them and got there. I mean it's
because if he loses this, it it'll be like, Okay,
well yeah, you beat you know you you know, I
had dinner at the kids table for two runs. I mean,
and that's it's it's not fair. I mean, he's won
so many games. It's so hard to win as many

(28:58):
games as teams Franklin had, and this whole the whole
can't win the big one crowd, Well, there's a lot
of coaches that can't win the medium one. And so
give him credit for being a seventy plus percent winning
percentage guy. I think you should get way more credit
than he's getting. But yeah, and this is is this Pence,
they exposed the glitch in the system. Where not really

(29:19):
fair that they get SMU and Boise State. You know,
let's let's wear adults here. You know, we're just us talking.
That's those are the free space games. And you've got
one team that had to go against you know, Indiana
and Oregon, and you know, then you have to play
you know, Nordame. Nor Dame plays Indiana and Georgia, and

(29:39):
then Ohiose has to play Tennessee and Oregon. A little
bit of a different path to get to this this
final four.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
He's on Twitter at pete few Tech.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
That is at petefeu tech college Footballnews dot com. You're
one stop shopping for everything college football, all the previews,
all the analysis. It is there for you right now.
Pete is always buddy appreciated. I look forward to seeing
what you have to say about not Tre Dame coming up.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
In the next year.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
So yeah, and so you make everything's set for your
Kyle McCord, and I owe money to keep him around there.

Speaker 1 (30:09):
Now, hey, we're waiting for that waiver. Man, I got
the champagne ready. If he gets that waiver, see have fun.
I'll tell you every day I wake up, the first
thing I do. A second, did McCord get the waiver?
Did McCord get the waiver? Because we're going to the
playoff if McCord gets the waiver. Did McCord get the waiver?
And then Lane Kiffin just the interview right here that

(30:30):
just happened, asked about, Hey, your final game with Jackson Dart,
what did you think?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
And he said, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Maybe he'll fire a waiver and come back. And he
stares at the camera. So I think after this Diego
Pavia thing, a lot of things. Wait a minute, Wait
a minute, now, wait a minute. You're saying, I can
play another year in college football. I can play another
year at college football.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
Celebrated a guy finishing his ninth year. I mean, come on,
I know, hey, come on, Kyle mccoryl playoff. It's so exciting.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Let's find out what's trending in the wide world. Of sports,
Martin Wise, and what do you got for us, my friend.

Speaker 4 (31:03):
Well, you just talked about it.

Speaker 7 (31:04):
Lane Kiffin and Jackson Dart likely Laver may be in play,
but I'm gonna go ahead and say I think this
is gonna be Jackson Dart's last college game. Four touchdowns,
four hundred and four yards through the air as old
Miss pounds Duke fifty two to twenty in the tax
Layer Gator Bowl. Wasn't even that close until Duke ran
a what is the throwback on the kickoff, ended up
returning to kickoff all the way for a touchdown, which

(31:26):
ensured that Ole Miss will not.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Be taking a kneed to end the game.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Like Kiffin was like, fifty two is not enough.

Speaker 4 (31:32):
You're gonna score on scoring your back.

Speaker 7 (31:34):
Well, twenty three was enough for Notre Dame as they
beat Georgia twenty three to ten in the Sugar Bowl.
That means Notre Dame will advance to the Orange Bowl
to play Penn State in the semi.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
Finals of the College Football Playoff next week.

Speaker 7 (31:49):
Alabama quarterback Jalen Milroe leaving school and we'll enter the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft. One of the people hoping
to evaluate him is Lewis Riddick, who interviewed for the
Jets general manager job. New York also interviewing Ron Rivera
for their head coaching job. Wide receiver Lad McConkie returns
to practice for the Chargers on Thursday head at bad Tow.

(32:09):
The Bengals list running back Chase Brown and wide receiver
T Higgins questionable for Saturday's game against the Steelers. Close
quarterback Anthony Richardson miss practice again today because of foot
and back injuries. Chief quarterback Patrick Mahomes remains limited in
Thursday's practice with his ankle injury. Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts
remains in the cushion proto concussion protocol, while can He

(32:29):
Pickett dealing with injured ribs.

Speaker 4 (32:31):
Bill's quarterback Lamar jacks I'm sorry, well that's all wrong.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Wow wow trade Bill traded Josh Allen for Lamar Jackson.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
No, but the AFC Pro Bowl is gonna have both
of them. There you go.

Speaker 7 (32:44):
Josh Allen will be the starter, Lamar Jackson coming.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
Off the bench, so is Joe Burrow.

Speaker 7 (32:48):
The full Pro Bowl rosters released earlier today, Jaden Ivy,
Pistons guard will be re evaluated in a month at
following surgery to repair his fracture of fibula. He will
likely miss the rest of the regular season and giannisno
Decompo leads all players and voting for the twenty twenty
five NBA All Star Game. Lebron James third among front
court players, trailing Jokic and Durant.

Speaker 4 (33:10):
Speaking of Gianni's his team lost to Night.

Speaker 7 (33:12):
The Nets beat the Bucks one thirteen to one ten
Giannis with twenty seven points, thirteen rebounds, seven assists. Thunder
over the Clippers. Thunder only lost five games so far
this year, twenty eight and five on the year, one
sixteen to ninety eight. Shay gilgis with twenty nine points
and eight assists. The Pacers beat the Heat one twenty
eight to one fifteen with Tyreeshaliburton with thirty thirty, three
and fifteen. After the game, Jimmy Butler says he wanted

(33:35):
to regain his joy, basically reiterating.

Speaker 4 (33:38):
He would not like to be in Miami.

Speaker 7 (33:41):
The Lakers have a sixty to fifty one lead over
the Portland trail Blazers at the half. Lebron James with
eighteen first half points, three forty six left in the
third quarter, the Warriors with a ninety four to sixty
nine lead over the Philadelphia seventy six ers, and American
Gymnasimone Bile named the twenty twenty four Sports Illustrated Sports
Person of the Year.

Speaker 4 (34:00):
Jason and Mike, You're.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
Up, thanks a bunch jimmed up.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Carmon Live the Tirack
dot Com Studios. Coming up next, how about the hottest
take we'll have tonight. A certain terrific quarterback did not
make the Pro Bowl today. Not only is that the
right call, He's gonna have a tough time ever getting back.

(34:24):
That's next, right here, Jason and Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
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Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 3 (34:37):
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Speaker 1 (34:38):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon
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Speaker 5 (34:47):
I was waiting to see if it was a holiday remix. Yeah, no,
no holiday songs.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Holiday songs are over until Tyscher decides he wants to
start playing them again like in July. Good we'll start
hearing Andy Williams in July. Uh NFL Pro Bow rosters
were announced today. Why well, because.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
It's still a week of the thing. Yeah, but still
a thing. Yeah, but it's still a week of football.
Oh I'm sorry, Josh Allen might not make it. In
a way, Josh Allen might not make it. Just say,
we normally wait until the end of the season.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
One game where everybody where a lot of people are resting,
everything is decided. We have like half a playoff spot open.
I mean, come on, man, still there's games.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
There's more. We're talking about seating. The seating.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
We're talking about not not not playing that, we're talking
about seating.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
Come on, all right, still games to be playing. Okay,
this time they count. So the rosters.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Were announced, and the big story is Patrick Mahomes did
not get selected to the Pro Bow. Doesn't mean he's
not gonna be going, because everybody pulls out for different reasons.
But without there being a game, you know, people pull
out less. And it was absolutely the right call because
when you look at the years that the other their quarterbacks,
the three selected him are having, It's not close, right,

(36:03):
Josh Allen much better season, Joe Burrow, much better season.
Lamar Jackson much better season. These are the three front
runners for MVP. Now, Okay, so yeah, of course Patrick
Mahomes does not deserve to make the Pro Bowl. Right,
Mahomes become a game manager. And it's not like I
have three weeks of data for this. I have two
full seasons that this is a different offense, a different

(36:26):
era of the Kansasity Chiefs, who are more like the
Patriots with Brady in the beginning, when it was we're
gonna play great defense. We've got a great clutch quarterback,
and that's how we're gonna win games. Right, We've talked
about this. This is the new invention of the Chiefs.
That's two years old.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
They paid Mahomes, They paid a lot of guys. Okay,
we can only afford so much. This is how the
team is built. Anybody that's had Mahomes and their fantas
team in the last two years knows, man do I
have on my team at the wrong time. So he's
a game manager. But that's not the hot part. The
hot take is this, I don't know that he makes
it back to the Pro Bowl again, because you're talk
about being one of the top three quarterbacks in the AFC. Okay, already,

(37:05):
those three guys that are younger than him are ahead
of him. Lamar Jackson is ahead of him, Josh Allen's
ahead of him, Joe Burrow is ahead of him, all right,
and it's not even close. What the numbers that the
production they put up this year for their teams, right,
doesn't mean I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes not still a
great quarterback champion, But you talk about being a great
quarterback getting selected to the Pro Bowl. He's got those

(37:28):
three guys who are all at least three years younger
than him ahead of him. Then you also have CJ. Stroud,
Justin Herbert, and Bow Knicks, all guys who are again
five or seven years younger than him. Stroud had a
bit of a down year this year, but he's still
one of the great young talents in the NFL. BO
Nick's threw for twenty five touchdowns as a rookie, which
you don't really see that that often. And Justin Herbert

(37:50):
is still Justin Herbert very a year very similar to
Patrick Mahomes. If this is the team the Chiefs are
gonna have, this is how they're gonna play, Mahomes is
not getting back to that thirty five to forty touchdown thing.
It's not happening for him, but the other teams, the
other quarterbacks, they're all going to be completely quarterback driven
because these guys are more dynamic, they're younger. We are

(38:10):
seeing the back half of Mahomes' career. You have three
guys a little bit younger than him that are better
than him right now, and you have at least three
or four other guys who are younger that are already
almost as good, almost put up the numbers, almost put
up the offensive production that Mahomes is because going to
the Pro Bowl is about being is producing is producing numbers,
producing touchdowns, producing points, And Mahomes is not that guy anymore.

(38:33):
I don't know that he hasn't made his last Pro
Bowl being one of the top three guys in conference
selected to that game.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Yeah, those guys in that you cite first. I mean,
the age disparity isn't quite so large in a few
months for one, and you know about a year year
in change for the two others. But the points well
taken is that the stats are going to be there now.
What needs to be you know, parsed out for folks
is that it's not all fan voting, right, it's not
your Major League Baseball All Star Game starters. This is

(39:03):
still about a third for the coaches, for the players,
and for the fans. So there, it can't become a
popularity contest. I e uh, you know, I heard the
argument of it was all Taylor Swifts fans that that
did for Kelsey.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
Was like, no, the guy still has to produce. Okay,
that's still coaches at players.

Speaker 5 (39:20):
Now, maybe they they they're trying to curry favor for
the next tour eras part two and voting for Kelsey,
but that's that's not how it works, right.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
There's still an equal waiting on it.

Speaker 5 (39:32):
But for my homes, yeah, it's a tall order because
you do have the younger class. And that's one of
the things that's been great to see is that we
have hit on a lot of quarterbacks here, particularly in
the AFC, that you've gotten that many guys that are
that are chomping at the bit and at his heels
to try to overtake him. But guess what, in the end,
I think he's more than happy missing out on Pro

(39:54):
Bowls because guess what, he probably would have had to
skip anyway, play.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Hold the form. I mean, look, he's yes, they're still
gonna win. They're still gonna win. And that's different. That's
different from going to the Pro Bowl. It's different from
being one of the top three quarterbacks in conference.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
But he's gonna have a tough.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Time getting over that again because not because suddenly he
stinks because the Chiefs they do it differently. Now they
do things differently. But how many years if we mocked
the Pro Bowl anyway?

Speaker 3 (40:22):
Yeah, but this is this is more.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
This is is he still one of the top three
quarterbacks in the AFC? That's the question. Is Patrick Mahomes
still one of the top three quarterbacks in the AFC?
That's the question. Final two minutes? The question which guy
you want the final two minutes of the game? No, okay,
but this is not about winning. You're talking about over
the course of the season. Who's the beout. You think
the kan City Chiefs wouldn't have the same record if
they had Josh Allen said of Patrick Mahomes. I think

(40:46):
they wouldn't have the same record if they didn't have
Lamar Jackson. It'd be curious. I don't think it would
come down to the final two minutes if they had
lamar Ya think they would have the same record if
they weren't making out with the refs.

Speaker 5 (40:58):
Just because you saw the Twitter doesn't make it necessary.
So he did not have a secret Santa gift exchange.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
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