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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 1 (00:52):
North Dakota State on top of the fcsworld. Yeah, upsetting
previously unbeaten Montana State winning the FCUS Championship tonight thirty five.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
Thirty two game.

Speaker 4 (01:03):
They controlled early, but that had to hang on and
down the stretch they come time.

Speaker 1 (01:09):
I feel like North Dakota State is in this game
every year. Yeah, sure, like every year, Juggernaut.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Like are they like?

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I don't know that there's been a time when North
Dakota or North Dakota State hasn't been in the FCS
Championship game. I figured, you know, it's two different schools.
One of us got that great ice rink where all
the seats are leather. They had this really rich alum
who like the ice rink is like leather. Okay, but
I feel like the last time North Dakota or North
Dakota State wasn't in the FCS champion I really.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Thought you were gonna make a smart ass line with
one of your favorite impressions talking about leather or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
Nah, as you say it's too low hanging fruit, too
low hanging fruit. If everybody knew what we were talking about.
But you're probably right.

Speaker 4 (01:50):
I would think most years you and I have done
the show together, We've we've talked about the title game,
and one side or the other has been been these
combatants today.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
All let's say you trying to go through this. No,
I got it right here, Okay. North Dakota State this
year beat Montana State. Last year, South Dakota State beat Montana.
In twenty twenty two, South Dakota State beat North Dakota
State twenty twenty one, North Dakota State beat Montana State.
Apparently there's three teams.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
In the SI.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
I was gonna say, we really don't need to expand
it behind the fourteen players.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
In twenty twenty, Sam Houston beat South Dakota State. In
twenty nineteen, North Dakota State beat James Madison, but Madison
was merciless. Twenty eighteen, North Dakota State beat Eastern Washington.
Twenty seventeen, North Dakota State beat James Madison. Twenty sixteen,
James Madison beat Youngstown State. So you got to go
back to twenty sixteen before you find a team not

(02:48):
in one of the Dakota's playing for the FCS championship.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
So really it's like the NBA during the Cleveland Golden.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
State era.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
Or right now where in the AFC it's still Roethlisberger, Manning,
Brady and Malmes.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, So North Dakota State of the Patriots, right South
Dakota State is the Chiefs and Montana apparently are the Eagles.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Here you go.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
It ended up being a pretty good game. It was
twenty one to three at halftime. At least got a
fight and had to sweat it out a little bit,
makes more plays down the stretch, but thirty five thirty
two your final, So we'll take it.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Hit the over, getting getting ready for the for the
the championship games of the final four games on Thursday and.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Thursday and Friday. Here, yeah, let's go.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Now as today has been dominated by being black Monday. Uh.
Maybe the most shocking statement of the weekend was utter
a day ago, not talking about coaches now, where Tyreek
Hill decided to say, hey man, the Jets broke me.
I'm done After Miami loses to the Jets in a

(03:58):
game I told you the Jets were gonna win. Tyreek
Hill basically has told everyone he's had enough in Miami
and he's ready to move on. Here he was following
the game, talking about what's next for him in a
disappointing season or another disappointing season of the Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I'm opening the.

Speaker 5 (04:16):
Door, right, I'm out, bro.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
You know.

Speaker 5 (04:18):
So it was a great play, but you know, I
at the end of the day, Bro, I gotta do
what's best for my career. And you know, because I'm
too much of a competitor to be you know, just.

Speaker 4 (04:31):
There.

Speaker 5 (04:32):
I just gotta do what's best for me and my family.
Got if that's here, that's wherever the case may be. Man,
I'm finn open that door for myself down as I'm
opening the door right right.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
I'm out, bro, I'm out, and I love the headlines today.
Did Tyree Hill say he wanted out? Yeah, No, pretty
easily when he said, I'm out, Bro. I love playing here,
but I gotta do what's best for me and my family. No,
he's done. He's done playing in Miami. He gave me
a couple of philibus. But they had to bench him yesterday. Yeah,
they wanted to put him back in the game in
the fourth quarter. They didn't mention he benched himself, and

(05:07):
and and suddenly he didn't want to go back in
the game. They wanted to put him back in. Mike
McDaniel wouldn't talk about it, saying, hey, we put all
the guys that wanted to be in there.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Pretty damn it game that I'm aware of. And and
just the language was of a guy just he took
the higher road.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
Tyreek Hill is done. He's done in Miami.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
And and before we get to the future, for this,
I mean it the biggest mystery in the NFL over
the last year plus. I really I don't understand how
things got so bad so quickly for the Miami Dolphins.
If you go back to a year ago. Now, right,
let's go back one year ago. Okay, Mike McDaniel was, Hey,

(05:48):
the next great young head coach in the NFL. He
was on a Kyle Shanahan type path. He's going to
be Sean McVeagh type.

Speaker 3 (05:55):
Peth. Look at what he's figured out with his capri.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
Pants and big shoes, and he's figuring everything out to
a tungueov Looa finally became who they thought he.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
Was going to be.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Oh, his arm isn't stronger after all these years, He's
just getting better and better. He's throwing for four thousand yards. No,
we figured out our quarterback, boy a Chan is the
next great running back in the NFL. Look how fast
they are everywhere with hill and a Chan and waddle.
This team is gonna run rough shot over the AFC
for years like this team did. This wasn't a team

(06:25):
that was old and like the forty nine ers, where
it was hey, we're coming get together for one last run.
And well, boy, the one last run was actually a
year ago. No, No, this is a team that was
young and up and coming, and the only thing for
last year at this point was wow, you really don't
want to go on the road and play. And they
had to play what was the third coldest playoff game
ever when they had to play in Kansas City. It
wasn't even close. But that's what happens, right, what happens

(06:46):
when you take a team from South Florida and they
got to play in Kansas City in the winter. You
should win more games. But it doesn't matter because yeah,
they lost that game. But still the Dolphins were They
were the envy of plenty of teams in the NFL.
Mike McDaniel figured out a new way, a new way
to get by with speed and talent and the timing,
and Tua had no problem finding Tyreek Hill. And yes,
Tuas had injury issues, but he's still under contract. He's

(07:09):
still a trific quarterback. And all of a sudden, the
Dolphins are at the point where Tyreek Hill wants out
and they're starting over, and who knows that Mike McDaniel's
future is. This is all stuff that's happened in a year,
and I don't understand how I understand how a team
that was that good last year, that was that dangerous
and scared that many teams didn't have a big like

(07:29):
they lost a lot of players. Yes, you had some injuries,
but every team has injuries. You went from, Hey, our
future is still great and even if you have a
down year, well, we're gonna just bounce back at it
next year. No, this is where hey, things are done
in Miami. Like like at the worst, I would think, well,
they're gonna come out of this season and say season
didn't go our way. Tua was hurt. We got to

(07:50):
make sure he stays healthy. We're gonna continue to move
the roster around a little bit, but we still all
our playmakers are young. Tyreek Hill is still the fastest
player in the NFL. No, we're still great. This is
just get us this year because it just happened to
be a down year. But instead it's like everything is
over for Miami and now Tyreek Hill wants out and
all kinds of changes gonna come into Miami. And it's
such a mystery because it doesn't make sense how they

(08:13):
went from a year ago today it was wow, look
how this is the next great team in the AFC
and now everything at the verge of being broken up,
and the biggest star player says, I've had it, man,
I'm out, I'm out.

Speaker 3 (08:25):
I gotta go.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
I got it was fun playing here, but I gotta go.
It's the biggest mystery in the NFL shows out quickly
things will change.

Speaker 4 (08:31):
You're looking at a team that this year they averaged
twenty point three points per game because you know what
on the defensive side, because people would say quickly, well,
you lost these games.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
You have this issue.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
They were tentph in total defense at twenty one point
four points a game allowed, so they overall held their own.
But you look at two Atungua, Mallow plays an eleven
misses parts of others. You're going down to Snoop Puntley.
You're going down that rabbit hole. And even if you
look at the individual numbers, guys put up numbers. John
hu Smith, you move the ball pretty well between the twenties.

(09:03):
You just didn't capitalize. He didn't finish. Echan ran well,
you didn't get as much from Mostert as his tag
team partner in the backfield as perhaps you'd hope. But
when you look at what Chan was able to do
as a runner, and receiver. He was up over seventy catches,
over double digits into double digits for touchdowns as a
runner and receiver over the course of the year. Hill

(09:26):
still finished what forty yards shy of a thousand on
the year, just two catches for twenty yards in that finale.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
But a lot of it goes back.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
And is predicated on how far is the drop off
at your quarterback position. Snoop Punley may be a fantastic guy,
it absolutely obliterates what you're able to do offensively, which
shows the value of Tua, even if we don't love Tua.
Snap for snap, still completed nearly seventy three percent of
his pass attempts and is efficient with the football the

(09:59):
offense and still has its operational efficiency there. With him out,
it's sputters, And that's the biggest question for McDaniel to
figure out, Like who's the guy that you come in
as the trigger man to where you don't have to
change everything to where it doesn't just go absolutely to
hell when two was unavailable, because guess what, going forward,

(10:20):
you're banking on him playing. It's like we did with
Lebar Jackson for a couple of years. Like he's gonna
play twelve or thirteen games if you get back over that.
And he's done it now two years in a row,
MVP season, maybe another MVP season, but you started to
count on all right, we need to make sure we've
buttoned up the rest of that locker room because we
have to be able to play competent football when he's unavailable.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
To this point, Dolphins have not.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
If there were, I always look for answers, right, because
it's always like, okay, sure we get all complained. I've
looked for the answers with this Dolphins team, and I
don't know where to fight. Previously, it'd always been you
just have to commit to Tua. You have to understand
the guy's good. He's not gonna be the rocket arm
quarterback you think he is. No, he's not gonna be.

(11:06):
But he's smart, he's accurate, he knows when to throw
the football. You just have to commit to him, and
they did. They gave him a lot of money and
they said you're our guy. Okay, great. That was the
biggest thing holding them back. And now still this is
what they're getting and Tyreek Hill wants out and it's
not a blit. It should be a blit, but it's not.
It's big changes coming and now they got to move
on and who knows where they're going to be next year,

(11:27):
and none of it makes sense. Like I almost feel
like there's got to be something behind the scenes that
we're not being told about how the Dolphins have gone
from we are now the next great team in the
AFC too. Yeah, now there's big change coming and who
knows what we're gonna be.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Well, I think it's curiosity, right, because go back to
my dumpster fire of a team, the Bears, and the
number of veterans that have gotten in front of microphones.
And this goes back to the middle of the season.
This goes back even before Eberflues got fired or you
guys had guys piping up about discipline, lack of accountability
and buttoning things down. So being asked about who their

(12:03):
next head coach could be, like, we just need someone
who's gonna come in and get rid of the nonsense.
Asked specifically about Vrabel, several guys just said, yeah, half
the crap we get away from with here would be
gone week one and that would be it, right, complete
culture shifts, as we've talked about it, I'm wondering if
in Miami they didn't read their own press clippings, and

(12:24):
maybe it got a little bit lax, a little bit loose, right,
all the jokes that are made about you know, South
Miami Mike and all of those things in terms of wardrobe,
scruff on the face, all of those kinds of things
that in terms of the devil being in the details,
because it was all about operational efficiency, right, It's all
about timing, it's all about making plays. But when two

(12:45):
is not on the field, look at the drop off,
go back and look at Tyreek Hill's game to game
performance as to who was there and who wasn't, And
the big hit plays, those big explosives that were such
a big part of that offense were gone, and Wattle
played hurt down the stretch.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Right.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
He still appeared in fifteen games, he was not himself
for several of them. The blinking red letter with the
injury designation. So you didn't have your full compliment. But normally,
as a super genius like McDaniel was supposed to be,
you'd be able to evolve your offense and figure out
where you can find a mismatch. Where you got any
eight catches from John hus Smith for grinding out.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
You got you got, you got a smart head coach.
You have an offensive mine head coach that had a
new system that was that was built on speed and
execution and precision.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And how does that all gone?

Speaker 1 (13:33):
How does that all go away in a year like
something like it just doesn't compute, Like I see when
teams erode and and and don't play well, and yes,
the injuries are a thing. But instead of hey, we're
gonna get this back next year, now it's over. Now
it's over, and your best player wants out, whoa wait?

Speaker 3 (13:50):
What?

Speaker 4 (13:51):
Like?

Speaker 3 (13:51):
Really?

Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's that's why it's the biggest mystery in the NFL.
I get every other team's ascent, I get their decline.
I can break it down. I can explain it that
it's a mystery. They're an enigma wrapped in a mystery,
served in a riddle. Middling red zone efficiency, just go
on down the line. For McDaniel, it's the you know
that come to Jesus moment of what you were as

(14:15):
sending right you were it was you and the other
offensive genius was Ben Johnson. And you're keeping paths, you know,
on that same path of what Detroit was doing. And
now that trajectory has flown and now we're starting to
look at what are the odds of the next team
for Tyreek Hill. Right now it's a tie between the
Chiefs and the Patriots. Uh, we'll love Laura on Tyreek

(14:36):
Hill coming up in a bit, but straight ahead, Hey,
if today is Black Monday in the NFL, it's about
the coaches who were fired. Why is the biggest story
about a coach who hasn't been fired? That's coming up
next right here, Jason and Mike, you're listening to Fox
Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3 (15:47):
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Speaker 1 (15:47):
The Jason Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon
Live from the tire Rag dot com studios. And shout
out to Wicked that got shut out from the Golden
Globe last night.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Yeah, that's all right. I can't say I was really surprised.
Can't say I was really disappointed. I knew after I said,
we talked about this. I knew after I saw it.
I said, yet, it's not as great as people are saying.
It's really really long. It's really really long.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
It's so I mean, I didn't have an Elton John
moment of celebration when Resider won his award, but when
Kiaren Colkin won, I was excited. I admit to it,
not having seen Showgun or The Brutalist as of yet.
But Wicked getting shut out, Yeah, I was all right
with it.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
I started watching the movie, Aaron Rodgers got hurt, missed
the whole season, came back, played this season and threw
his third touchdown of the day yesterday. And I finished
watching and then you heard, yeah, finally that they got
to the final thing. Yeah, yes, again, not surprised, not
not surprised.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
I was underwhelmed.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I wanted to go back and see it again with
the sing along to see how bad people would sing,
you know, but I decided not to.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Just here's the thing really quick before before you get
into the Mike McCarthy story, is that all of the
push for Wicked and so it's gonna win this and
they're both gonna get and Ariana Grande was fantastic.

Speaker 3 (17:11):
That's she was the best part of it. She was fantastic.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
And I'm like, Okay, they're all both gonna win all
this stuff, and I'm going, yeah, I don't know about that.
I think what happened is that there's so much push
for this movie, not that it needs to save cinema,
but there needs to be a tent pole once a
few times a year where everybody's gonna go see this movie.
And there was so much hype behind it for the
industry in general and for fans like, no, one's not

(17:36):
gonna want to go see this and love it. Right,
It's not one of those Oh it's a polarizing movie
where it's about the bomb, like it's Oppenheimer or this
or Barbie's not my thing. This is like Wicked, she
got to be for everybody. And if Wicked turns out
to not be good boy, that's bad news for the
box office, and that's to be bad news or any
movies coming out. This is supposed to be universally great,
everybody loves it, and instead I'm like, yeah, it's not

(17:58):
that great. And I think the critic and I think
the Award Show last night told us, yeah, this is
where this is more realistic about what we thought.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
Ah.

Speaker 4 (18:05):
I think there was a couple of things to it. Also,
It's like, I I think I'd rather have spent my
money and time going to see the theater outing once again,
which is currently in Los Angeles, back on the road
all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
I think it's a better experience. Uh, I'd rather watch
a Jets game.

Speaker 4 (18:21):
But you also had a number of other big movies
this year, right, the box office did pretty well overall.
I just got tired of the consistent mark, Like, I
like marketing and sales, you know, mean, we talk about sports,
we talk about ticket sales, we talk about all of
these different things. Right, One of the great stories of
the week where you know Minnesota and the Wolfs spending
two million dollars of their money to see if they

(18:42):
couldn't get enough Viking fans, and like.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
I love that stuff. How's work out for them? Mike, Yeah,
I did not well.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Ones Fan Ginkle dropped the ball, Van Ginkle dropped the ball,
made the right read, right play, didn't catch the ball.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
He catched the ball, and he runs the other way. No, no,
but at that point it's still you're.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
Still in Sam Donald was under duress the touch far
time he dropped back to pass, he yelled, hell, this.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
Is not what the first I tell you? What though, Like,
are you talking about you guys killed Tyreek Hill? Yeah, yeah,
we did. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:15):
But there was a great super cut showing all the
misreads of Sam Darnold. Yes, he's under duress, but the
mist reads.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
What am I told you about Sam Darnald? No, no, no,
you can't told you. What have I told you about it?
He lost a year? That's fine, What have I told
you about still fourteen and three. I told you, I
told you, I told you. Doesn't mean he was.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
He just kept getting hit and rushed. Oh no, he
got blood and read it was I mean it was.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
But if Van Ginkel catches the ball takes it the
other way, we're two point conversion away from a tie.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
I think that it's thirty one sixteen. I think sometimes
it again. But at that point, he couldn't they get
another ripper. Even they score, they still couldn't do any
if they, if they wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Have let Jarret Goff off the hook, we would have
been killing Jared Golf today if they.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
If if this is a game where it was back
and forth and the final score was thirty three to
twenty seven or forty one thirty five, I'd agree with
you and say no, you're right though, But they couldn't
do offensive.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
They couldn't do it.

Speaker 4 (20:07):
But at that point the Lions hadn't done what they
ended up doing off.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
But the Lions still wound up doing what they did,
and the Vikings still they could be playing that that
one is now and the Vikings still said we have
no we we we can't do anything.

Speaker 4 (20:19):
Well, if they'd actually kicked the field goal every once
in a while instead of saying, Louie gotta match Dad
campbell campbelling, cambelling and campbelled on the other side, O'Connell.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
You heard it now elsewhere here on Black Monday the stories. Yes,
we had coaches who were fired, coaches were rumored to
be fired, and now we have rumors of a coach
who may go to another team because his contract is
coming up and he doesn't have a new deal.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Fix the glitch.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Uh, the Chicago Bears, Your Chicago Bears have called the
Cowboys about talking to Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
Hello, this Jerry, Hey, Jason. Doesn't count as a call
if the other so it doesn't pick up. It's still
a call, right.

Speaker 4 (21:03):
Oh yeah still yeah, I mean it's still in your
log that you made the attack. Yeah, like like I
mean all the you made me, you know, maybe spam me.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Most people pick up.

Speaker 1 (21:12):
When I call, yeah, Jerry Jones to see his phone
and go. Could be Chicago Bears or potential spam.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I'll let this go to voicemail. Not a potential fraud call.
I'll let it go to voicemail. Hello, this is Jerry. Yep.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Oh no, you mean, all you need is five thousand
dollars and you got a million dollars and I'm gonna
get some of that. Yeah, what do you need? I
can forward the money to you. Where's the Western Union?
People still use Western unions. I go there and now
I'll make sure that I get the money to you.

Speaker 4 (21:36):
You get normally what tur chimes inmpathy, If you get
the ems, that's that's terrific.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
I'll make sure you get it there. Oh you're a prince.
Oh I didn't know that. Well, I'm a king, so
I kind of outrank you a little bit. But I'll
still get you that money and then you give me
the rest of that because you know I still.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
Got to pay dec I gotta find a way to
do it. Uh.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Mike McCarthy is a good head coach. He's a really
good headcat. And if the Bears want him, and I
don't mean they want to talk to him, but if
the Bears say we want you to be our head coach,
if I'm Mike McCarthy, I tell Jerry see you sorry,
because all he's doing right now is waiting around to
be fired.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
He's waiting around. Maybe Jerry Jones brings him back for
another year. Maybe he does it.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
They're still deciding this is just stupid. Jerry Jones misplayed
the market, didn't understand where he's at. And now there's
not a lot of great head coaching candidates out. There's
certainly not a lot. They're gonna come in and take
that Cowboys job, right, just like no one wants to
take the Jets' job as a train wreck, no one
wants to go in and take that job in Dallas,
and he blew it. So now if I'm McCarthy, I go,

(22:39):
why am I hanging around here when he's just gonna
be another one year deal or whatever it's gonna be,
and I'm gonna get fired because suddenly Jerry Jones is
not gonna commit to me and say yeah, here's another
three year contract.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
It's not gonna work that way. So if the.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Bears want me, I tell Jerry I'm out. Because Jerry
Jones said we don't want anybody doesn't want to be here.
I say, thanks Jerry, but I'm leaving because Mike McCarthy,
he's a good coach. He succeeded in the Cowboys chaos
that is ever present, right. Twelve wins a year first time.
They haven't made the playoffs since twenty twenty. But your
starting quarterback gets hurt and misses the season, that's gonna happen.

(23:13):
Mike McCarthy's a good coach, right, It's not his fault.
Dak sucked in the playoffs. It's not his fault, right,
all of a sudden, he didn't go from being a
great offensive mind all the playoffs got No, it's not
his fault that Dak sucked in the playoffs, because everything
for the Cowboys would be different if Dak Prescott just
played average playoff games the last couple of years.

Speaker 3 (23:32):
But he didn't. He was terrible.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
And however, you want to carve out what happened to
the Cowboys and say, well, Jerry for thirty years has
been bad and all this. No, Dak Prescott was awful,
and he cost the Cowboys the last two to three
years in the playoffs. And if he didn't, things would
be different because the Cowboys would have had an NFC
Championship Game appearance, or maybe two NFC title game appearances.

(23:55):
But they didn't because Dak Prescott's stunk and he and
he sucked the last two years, and he suckingly needed
the most. And that's not Mike McCarthy's fault. And if
he's gonna sit there and and and try to sit
here and bear part of that blame, sorry, I'm not
doing it.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
It's not my fault. He gave Dak.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Money when you didn't need to, when we saw the
best of Dak Prescott. For the last eight years, you
haven't even gotten an NFC championship game past passed once.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
What are you gonna do here? Now? What are you
gonna do? What are you gonna do?

Speaker 1 (24:21):
We're gonna we're gonna suddenly get there with Dak in
his thirties. No, but you want to blame me, You
want to not give me a contract when during all
this craziness and you being the de facto GM and
making all these crazy moves and signing guys to contracts
that you shouldn't be signing. I'm winning twelve games a
year and we're and you don't know if you want me.
I am gone. I am so gone. And I say

(24:43):
on the way out, Jerry, not my fault. Dak sucked
in the playoffs. Good luck. He's your issue now. If
if you want to try to go forward, good luck
making it work. With somebody else.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Yeah, a couple of things too.

Speaker 4 (24:52):
And it's kind of funny that dan Quinn and his
no show defense of twenty three becomes, Wow, dan Quinn,
look at the job he did with one Washington this year,
because they know showed that playoff game as bad as
Dak was, that was off. You had even run around out.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, you at Jordan Love with a perfect quarterback right,
that game got him forty minutes as it did.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Now we're questioning the availability of both starting quarterbacks for
that playoff matchup later this week, but we'll get to
that plenty of time over the course of the week.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
From McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Yeah, I mean, he's always going to be part of
that equation where we were going to give more credit
to the quarterback than the coach, especially in the aftermath.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
Right with what we've seen.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Uh So it was always well Aaron Rodgers pulling his
ass out of the fire, and that world that super
Bowl win is so long in the rearview mirror. I
get that night, certainly trumpet that all along super Bowl
winning coach, but the what have you done for me lately? Well,
you got twelve wins three years in a row. This
isn't a week we eaked into the playoffs, or or

(25:58):
we needed a bunch of help and we gave. We
needed one of those great graphics that actually had to
be put on two slides because so many things needed
to happen. No, they played good football, winning football time
and again. So yeah, you absolutely kicked the tires on him.
What does he want to do? What does he know?
How was he fix Caleb Williams in terms of how

(26:20):
long he holds the football? The offensive line clearly needs
to be worked. Ryan Pole's former offensive lineman who fired
a guy midstream that he signed for a three year,
thirty million dollar deal, should not be in charge of
picking the groceries at that particular position. But that's me
editorializing to a different level. For McCarthy, Yeah, if Jerry

(26:41):
Jones hasn't decided on you now, even with all the
glowing things, he talked for what almost an hour answering
any question, and never even McCarthy question, was talking about
how great he was, Like, So, how come this isn't signed?
How come this isn't a done deal? How come this
wasn't two months ago? You didn't end the speculation? Is
there something in for tax purposes. You need his contract

(27:03):
to expire.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Does anybody want to ask me about land Man, because
like I could be in the oscars next year.

Speaker 3 (27:07):
Anybody that's about that? Anybody? Anybody? No?

Speaker 1 (27:10):
No, we want all right, because I'll bring in the
Billy Bob guy to be the head coach.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
You think or not? I saw him coach really good.
He does have experience.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
Almost beat Dallas Carter back with the Permian Panthers back
in Oh wait, he mean he wasn't a real head coach,
but that saw the movie look looked like he was
a Oh he played a guy who was the head coach. Well,
he still cuts a pretty good figure on the side.
I'm gonna hire the guy.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
So maybe you hire somebody and then Billy Bob Thornton's
the guy on the sideline.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
No, he's he's a guy in land Man. He's a
guy on the sideline.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
He's making the final call like like my, my, I'm
gonna actually put an imprint a uh a chip micro
chip in his ear where he can hear me at
all times to keep him if I'm munching on popcorn,
he's got to hear that.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Eight.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Billy Bob, why don't you run that play that won
you that game in the semifinals that wants you run that, Okay,
very good, give the ball to give the ball of
billings Lee and uh, let let's let him get up
front a little bit and then uh you want to
get Komer in there and give it to him.

Speaker 3 (28:07):
So uh, you know, kinda do those things.

Speaker 4 (28:09):
You know what, the Billy Bob's a triple threat because
you also have the box Masters, so he can you know,
do fundraisers where he is the act and the entertainment.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
Well, I'm going I'm eventually gonna be an egot guy
because I'll get an Emmy for the for the land Man,
I'll get a Grammy because I'm gonna do.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Christmas songs next year.

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Would it be cool if he really showed up in
you know, The Wicked part two and he was the
real wizard and gold Bloom was just a decoy this
whole time, Alphaba.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
I'm not gonna pay you a lot of money. I'm
gonna string this all the way till the end, and
then I'm gonna pay you, all right, So just so
just so you know, I'm gonna say things about it.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
But in dangle dangle, like you're gonna be in charge.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Yeah, and then I'm gonna pay you, and then I'll
pay g Linda or sorry, go Linda. I'll pay both
of you, but just it's gonna take a while, and
Steven will draw up the contracts and go, you Bach,
you're not getting paid and uh you, Uh Fierro, you
look like you're forty. You're supposed to be a guy
in the movie who was like in his twenties, but
you're like forty.

Speaker 4 (29:05):
Yeah, the guy dancing I meant he needed some eyework.
Can't help me. I'm short the defense for I do that.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
I can't, can't do it.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
He was dancing through life though, And uh, Nasa, you're
gonna be my GM. I like the way. I like
the way you think. But again, can't bring the guy
with you. Has got to be You're not gonna pay
both of you. Not gonna pay two people for one job.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Not gonna do it. What's trending in the wide.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
From a guy who tried out for Fierro his senior
year of college, but he was beat out by Bob Buker. Wow,
it's Steve de Seger with what's trending?

Speaker 6 (29:43):
I showed up in old Green, and they said, by
the way, if it turned out that Jerry Jones actually
was the Wizard of Oz, then I really would pay
no attention to the man behind the curtain. By the way,
the folks from Wicked were on stage. They actually did
win an award at the Golden They went night. There's
a new category that.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Made up award the box office, and Diesel came out
There's Achievement won the Outstanding Achievement in the Field of
Excellence award.

Speaker 6 (30:11):
So they beat out Gladiator, to Deadpool, Beetlejuice, etcetera.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
Dude, Okay, if you beat out Gladiator two for something,
can you really say it's was nominated.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
On the first winner of that category last year was
Barbie beating out Oppenheimer and others.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
How could that be? You know who wins coming in?

Speaker 6 (30:29):
How can you say that it's a degree an award
because it's a TV show.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Hey, we gotta get Hey, how many upwards a Wicked win? None?

Speaker 1 (30:35):
We gotta give them something. We get something, I give
them that give them that crazy ass award?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
All right? Good?

Speaker 6 (30:40):
Look at all those Oscar ceremonies on TV where people
can plain after it. You know, I haven't seen any
of these things. It's that kind of thing. Okay, let's
just create a category box office.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
How about that. Okay, we got.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
The people we liked watching on screen for the last
few years.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Yes, give them award.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
Jeff, because we paid for tickets.

Speaker 3 (31:02):
You got me into the theater. Here's your award.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
As the LJ leto line was, sometimes you've seen a movie,
and he said, somebody got to give these people an award.
In the NBA's late game, we've got Sacramento late in overtime,
losing at home. It's Miami won twelve one to eleven
over the Kings, who are at the line with one
second to go down one. Sacramento with a twenty four
to seven run to end regulation and send it to

(31:27):
the OT. The Kings are playing without star d Aaron
Fox out again with a bruised leg free throw good,
one second to go, tie, game time out. Sacramento trying
to win its fifth straight. Dallas lost its fifth straight,
lost at Memphis one nineteen one oh four, and Kyrie
Irving could miss one to two weeks with a bad back.

(31:48):
Luka Donsich already out about a month. Minnesota beat the
Clippers eight one oh six, Minnesota trailed by nineteen in
the second quarter. Kawhi Leonard of the Clips made his
season debut last Saturday after the knee injury. Was three
of eleven shooting tonight eight points. Anthony Edwards thirty seven
points in the win Chicago. That is correct, Well, no,

(32:10):
those were other OHKA other Bowl games that you're thinking of.
Chicago was down nineteen as well early third tonight and
beat San Antonio one fourteen, won ten. Zach Lavine thirty
five points. Orlando won at New York one oh three
ninety four. Carl Anthony town So the Knicks was out
with knee tendonitis. Phoenix ended a four game losing streak,
winning at Philadelphia one O nine to ninety nine. Devin

(32:32):
Booker of the Sons three of sixteen shooting from the floor,
but did have ten assists. In college basketball's late game,
Ohio State on FS one won it in two overtimes
at Minnesota eighty nine eighty eight. The buck Guys got
two free throws to tie it late in the first
overtime when Minnesota fouled, not realizing the score.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
In the NHL overtime, Ryan Day.

Speaker 7 (32:54):
Just escapes finds a way to escape Montreal over Cooper
in overtime five to four, and they have just ended
the late game Devil's win three to two.

Speaker 6 (33:05):
At Seattle, the Jacksonville Jaguars fired head coach Doug Peterson
after three seasons there, Bengals fired defensive coordinator lou Anarumo
after six years there. The Colts fired defensive coordinator Gus
Bradley after three years, and Seattle fired offensive coordinator Ryan
Grubb after one season. He had been at the University
of Washington nearby the previous two seasons. Well, they're finishing

(33:29):
up the game at Sacramento and they're going to a
second overtime Miami against the Kings tied at one twelve.

Speaker 3 (33:34):
Back to you, thank you, Steve O.

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Did you see Kobe White post your eye wem beal
final minute of the game?

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Yes? Was that? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Hey, you got that right? You can send me that
picture that I'm would have put that in between by screensaver.

Speaker 6 (33:46):
The Doors did not lead until the final minutes of
the game.

Speaker 4 (33:49):
Look at that when Minyama missed the thirty eight foot
three point shots.

Speaker 6 (33:54):
Which made one of those long runs in the last week.
You could just reach over and drop it through that
from thirty five out Sure, thank you, Steve Oick.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon Live from the
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trade their starting quarterback? Well, it also makes sense for
that quarterback to get a fresh start someplace else.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
It's not Cleveland. Now they're stuck with him. Remember he
had a setback. The answer is next Jason and Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
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Speaker 3 (34:34):
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Speaker 1 (34:35):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon,
Live Fromthtirack dot com Studios. Congratulations Trevor Lawrence and his wife,
welcome to their first kid. Today, let's go. He needs
to be on a different team, just like that, Just like.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
You just expanded his team and now you want to
kick him off. You had your chance, Smithew, what do
you mean to have my Joey? How that blow? What
are you talking about? Jet show?

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Well, yeah, Frank Gore, Yeah, I still see Frank getting
that first down, falling over.

Speaker 3 (35:03):
Rushing yards. Ye, when you play for seventy four years,
you're gonna set the record. And he's a guy that
it happens, nobody remembers.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
But today part of Black Monday, Black Monday, the Jaguars
fired Doug Peterson, and it makes all the sense in
the world for the Jaguars to trade Trevor Lawrence and
for him to try to reboot his career someplace else.

Speaker 3 (35:30):
It's been four years.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
And Lawrence has been a league average quarterback who is
tremendously overpaid, and the Jaguars it's just not working. You're
hiring a new head coach. You brought in Doug Peterson
to bring Trevor Lawrence along. It hasn't worked. Yeah, guys
like Gino Smith, Sam Darnold, Oh, it takes a little
bit longer, but they get it.

Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
But what's the thing both of them in Any quarterback
that makes it after a long time has to change locations.
Sometimes you need a fresh start. And that's all the
difference in the world. And Trevor Lawrence isn't going to
be a big, superstar quarterback in Jacksonville, and the Jaguars
paid him because they were afraid of what the optic
would look like if we didn't pay Trevor Lawrence. Again,

(36:13):
He's a league average quarterback. He's not terrible, he's not awful,
He's not you know, just say, oh, we give all
this money to Zach Wilson. But he's a league average quarterback.
And after this amount of time, it's time.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
To start over.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
You brought in wide receivers for him, he brought in
tight ends. He's had great weapons. He was hurt this year.
But you can't afford to say we're gonna try to
keep it going. Start over, especially because you have an
off season in which the crop of rookie quarterbacks is
not great and the crop of free agent quarterbacks is
not great. Suddenly Trevor Lawrence available on a trade. There's

(36:48):
a lot of teams are gonna say, well, twenty five
years old, yes, we can fix them. We'll go back
to the draft grade we had on him. He can
unlearn his bad habits, he can get that fresh start.
We've seen it work. Guys just have to be with
the right head coach, the right system. We know Trevor
Lawrence has the talent. Yes, we will trade for Trevor Lawrence.
Now he's doing a lot of money, which means You're
probably not gonna get a lot of draft picks for him,
unless you figure out a way to split the money

(37:09):
and you get draft picks. It's however the deal winds
up being done, but the Jaguars will get out from
under that money that they're overpaying Trevor Lawrence, start over
at quarterback, be able to feel the better team and
move forward, and a new team can say, hey, we
feel really good starting over with Trevor Lawrence at twenty five,
and we know what he's getting paid for the next

(37:30):
few years, we're all set. We don't have to worry
about paying them. We have to worry about where the
market's gonna go and can we afford him. Do we
have to know you know what he's gonna get paid.
It's part of what you have. The salary cap is
going up. But for the Jaguars, it's time for them
to move on and for Lawrence, he should go someplace
else to see if he can really be that great
next level quarterback that we thought he was gonna o.

Speaker 3 (37:49):
Zim an apology.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
But we go down through the process for Trevor Lawrence
and they've tried to make some moves. Obviously, you had
Christian Kirk get injured, Travis Etn's not worked out the
same way you would hope, but you found a little
bit of a gem in bigs B Brian Thomas Junior
comes in and he's a big deal. It would be

(38:11):
a lot easier to say, hey, if you got rid
of the GM as well.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
And I get it.

Speaker 4 (38:16):
You know, you and I talking about this, the number
of starters on the team, but they really guys that
elevate you because you had an opportunity here because Houston
was not good in that division for a very long
stretch of the season. Yet they walked and clinched that
division pretty easily because everybody else was just such a
dumpster fire along the way. So Peterson is out, Balky

(38:39):
will continue to hold hold the bag here. Yeah, it's
the curiosity of in the market where you don't have
a huge rookie class that anybody trusts. Even the top
guys cam Warden Shador Sanders both depending on which anonymous
source you talked to, may not have day one grades
on him.

Speaker 3 (38:55):
Doesn't mean they're not gonna go one two.

Speaker 4 (38:57):
But it's still that maybe, and you're always gonna hurt
a guy when we do the idiotic every year generational guy.
And that was Trevor Lawrence's well, because we heard about
him he was a fresh year. We always hurt that
tag guy. Yeah, we do it at least once every
other year, if not every season. Like that guy's a

(39:18):
generational talent. Get it to Caleb Williams. Is he a
generational talent? It's got that could be pretty good. Still
a lot to learn, uh, and a lot to undo
in an organization. All that said, Trevor Lawrence, yeah, greener
past years, you don't have a great free agent class. Right,
it's led by three guys at the back end of
their thirties or into their forties.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
Look, and Zach Wilson, it's he's not leading anything. He
just it's just say he's in the guy who's also
on the list.

Speaker 4 (39:47):
But in Jackson, you probably saw enough from Mac Jones
that you just say, can we sign you to a
friendly deal and be done with it? And and and
bring in and bring in your quarterback room, make your
quarterback room better, right, and say, okay, so now we're
gonna we're still gonna draft a young quarterback, but it's
going to be more of a developed developmental thing. And
Mac Jones, because look, you're still got the same type
of I told you you're the same type production from

(40:08):
Mac Jones you're gonna get from Trevor Lawrence. Okay, and
Thomas is something special. I'd like to see Trevor play
a full season. But that's the thing now, is you
have an injury history back to back years. Do you
trust that you're getting a full run out of him?
Much like the conversation we've been having with TOAs, sometimes
a fresh start is what you bet. You can't continue
to say, oh, we're gonna reboot and make.

Speaker 3 (40:28):
It work here. No, you just Ryan.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Jack bringing Rex Ryan to coach the Jaguars. I wasn't
saying that exit Rescae, exit swelling dumb. The Jason Smith
Show with the Mike Carmen LIFTHTIREC dot Com Studios coming
up next, Trevor Lawrence shouldn't be the only quarterback dealt
this offseason.

Speaker 3 (40:47):
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