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January 7, 2025 41 mins

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon debate if Rex Ryan is the right guy for the Jets. Jason explains why No team has been a bigger dumpster fire - strictly on the field - since 2020 than the Patriots. And Tyreek Hill says he wants out of Miami!

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Speaker 1 (00:51):
Black Monday here in the NFL, and most of the
conversation is about guys who will don't quite have jobs yet.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
We talked about Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
The Bears have knocked on the Cowboys door and said, hey,
we like to interview Mike McCarthy and he goes, uh
nobody helm prank caller. Uh No, Mike can't come out
to play today. Uh, he's got he's got to break
down some all twenty two Uh uh uh. Any guy's
got Tyreek Hill's home number. We're gonna go try to
get him. And they got that number, got to know. Okay, alright,
don't don't don't ring the bell again. Uh And no

(01:23):
fair coming in saying you're selling girl Scout cookies.

Speaker 3 (01:25):
I'm k not going to open the door, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
I bought the somosas last year and they were all
all all whole bunch of crumbs in the bottom, and
you gave me the bad kind of the s'mores, okay,
like the other kind of the spores.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
But now I know they got rid of those, so ah,
you can't fool me with those now if they were.
Actually we're going around selling somemosas. I'm in no, I'm
telling you, and the tag alongs too.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
But then thin men's a like the freeze, and I
like to bust them out like in the middle of
the summer like we're gone, but but can't do that
with the tag along.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Tag alongs got the peanut butter and he got it
kind of kind of eat them all the fresh samoas.

Speaker 5 (01:55):
Anyway, what I say, said, moss are delicious, That would
get a very Yeah, the spicy dipping soup would be
a nice kind of green, interesting kind of cookie.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
I kind of dig that.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
This cookie is awful. Just eat it. I spent six
dollars on that. Just eat it.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
You don't really get a lot of bang for the
buck with the uh the Girl Scout cookies anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Now they raised the prices. It used to be so easy.
Was oh, five dollars a box. Great, here's twenty dollars.
Gon be four boxes. No, now it's a six dollars
and twenty five cook Come on, I'm really talking about
it on a per cookie basis too. Here's my buttony
is not fulfilled it twenty give me four boxes.

Speaker 4 (02:32):
We're good that I'm eating that man in the current state,
you know, and that's not on the menu for me.
But but yes, the the extra dollar which doesn't all
go to your to your troop do yeah in kind?

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Now here you go here, just tell you I didn't
want any cookies anymore. Just get ups out. Thought that
was good. I thought it was getting the tag alog
got those lemon cookies. Can't stand them. They're terrible. No,
I can't eat them and I'll just I just throw
them away and act. Well.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
You know what I did was I gave a box
to Zeke after I cut him, and I I said, hey,
good luck with the Chargers and maybe yellow hit lemon cookies.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Same thing, color scheme, here you go, take it go.
Maybe you work out. And Zeke wound up getting with
the Chargers about worked out for.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
A little bit of a yellow mixed in the in
the color palette of the team colors.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
So it all works together.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
So last hour we broke down the Bears and their
desire to talk to Mike McCarthy.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Should talk to everybody, bring them through.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
That's the Bears and the Jets just showing you how
much they have no idea. They want to talk to everybody.
I read in the New York posts that I read.
Here's a list, it was updated list in exclusive list
of all of the coaches Jets.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Want to talk to.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
There were fourteen names for come on man. In other words,
we have no idea what we want. We see a search.
It's a nationwide Search's go into a speed dating come
on man, like I feel like the leg It's like
Hollywood when you go, oh, how did you win?

Speaker 3 (03:55):
That part.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, so and so as a twelve year old beat
out six thousand other people. Really, your director, you go
through six thousand kids and try to figure out who
you want for a role. You couldn't tell Daniel Radcliffe
was the guy right away. Come on, like I thought,
we have a nationwide sir, we're gonna talk to Forte.
You have no idea what you want. You have absolutely
no idea. But the guy at the top of this
list for the Jets is Rex Ryan, who was continually

(04:19):
trying to talk his way back into the job. Of course,
Rex Ryan Jets head coach during their big heyday of
the early tens that it ended awfully, and now he's
still trying to get back into be the Jets head coach.
He goes a ninety eight to seven today in New
York and he talks about how, yeah, I got an

(04:39):
interview coming up, you know, talking to the Jets about it,
and if I come in, I'm going to make sure
that the Aaron Rodgers club med isn't happening anymore. And
I'm gonna lay down some discipline on this team. But
I am the right man for this job.

Speaker 6 (04:52):
You think you're gonna get this job. Right, you think
you're going to be the next head coach of the Jets. Oh?
Absolutely I do. And the reason I think I'm going
to get it because I'm the best guy. And it
ain't close. The thing that you have to do. You
have to connect with the football team.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
You have to connect with your fan base and the
way they play. That's the most important thing, not just
the x's and o's and all that. Look this, Ben Johnson,
I love him, I absolutely love him. But I'm a
better candidate for this job than he would be.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, Ben Jonson is not going near the Jets. He
makes a good point about knowing what it takes together.
Now before I just start laughing at this, he makes
a good point. He understands the New York market, he
understands the Jets fan base. He was beloved when he
was the coach there. He didn't get the Jets a
two AFC CHAMPIONI game my.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Guy asking the question sounded like he was kind of chuckling.
Has he played you?

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Really?

Speaker 1 (05:41):
But here's the thing is, like Rex Ryan still thinks
he's actually the head coach of the Jets. It's been
ten years, he still thinks he's the head coach wiz
he is. He still thinks he's the head coach. He's like,
he left the Jets, got fired from the Jets, took
the j with the Bills, just so we could be

(06:01):
close to the Jets, so he could be in the
same division. Because he still thought of himself as a
Jets head coach. It's just but I'm coaching the Bills.
When he's on television, he still thinks to himself as
a Jets head coach. He's like the you know, the
people you know, and I'm sure you know people like
this growing up. Everything go oh, I remember this couple.
This couple like when a couple breaks up and the
one side knows that this is for real. We are

(06:24):
never getting back together. I'm done, I'm moving on with
my life. I'm dating somebody else, I've moved cities, I've
done all this, and the other person is still, well,
we'll get back together eventually.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
I did.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
This adventure is just taking her on a different place
right now. But I will get back together. And I
still know what's going on with her, and I believe. Look,
we have a relationship that was so good. We're gonna
get back together. It just has to be the right time.
Oh now she's single again. I heard her and her
husband got divorced. So now, oh now I'm going to
start finding her on Facebook and I'm a messenger. Oh

(06:55):
and now now it's my chance to get back together.
He is that ten year stalker of the of the
I'm still the Jets head coach. It's still the ex
that wants me back. This is how he has behaved
the entire time since the Jets have fired him. It's
like he's still thinking some way he's the de facto coach.
It still goes through me. I'm still you talk about
with the Jets, and it's more than a little disturbing.

(07:19):
I'm like, dude, he doesn't want to coach any other team.
He doesn't want to go coach the Raiders, just want
to go coach the Jaguar. He wants to coach the Jets.
And as a Jets fan, I love that because how
many people want to coach my team?

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Nobody, because we're a laughing stock. At least he wants
to do it.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
But he still thinks that that way of him, and
he still thinks that, Yeah, i haven't coached in ten years,
but I'm gonna come back, and I'm gonna pick up
right where he left off, Like I'm gonna go out
to dinner one time with my ex and we all
of a sudden, the old feelings are all gonna come back,
and we're gonna be moved in together picking out furniture
in a week like that's what he thinks is gonna happen.
And again, the guy's not been on the sideline for
ten bleeping years.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
That's stupid wagon wheel year. I will never want that
wagon wheel. No, you're what.

Speaker 4 (08:00):
Is his apped with Rex Ryan many times the clips
that you and I have gone back and forth and
Frostburg's laughed atches well and sent them along. Is when
he gets into we mode as if he were still coaching,
as if he were an advisor to the Jets for
the last decade. All right, last time he was a

(08:20):
head coach Buffalo in twenty sixteen, he went seven and
eight and that was the end of it. I didn't
even finish the season out as you roll through, So
it's been a minute. But in terms of knowing the marketplace,
knowing the ownership, and this is where, yeah, I guess
you do have a bit of an in not to
mention thirty third team as the advisors and Tan and

(08:42):
Bahum as part of that great Hey.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
Rex, Hey Mike, how you been good. Good to catch
up with you. That's great. Here's the list of questions
we're gonna ask you.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Prep them, Prep them a lot, like you've gotten the
answer key before you walk in.

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Here's what what he.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Needs to hear on this and this and this. But
you kick the tires if nothing else. He's gonna come
in with the passion, knowledge and the love of some
portion of the fan base still loves him right, all
of that because he does identify with that job, with
that team. Is a foolhardy Sure is it another three
years of the spin cycle?

Speaker 3 (09:16):
Absolutely?

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Because, as we've talked about with Jerry Jones so many times,
and you can point him out on the map across
the NFL, as long as ownership stays the same, nothing's
gonna change. Hell, the guy who put it best for
the Bears was Bleeping cmpunk. As part of the Netflix
Christmas Games. They had him on the sideline to talk
about the premiere of Raw coming to Netflix, and they

(09:39):
asked him about the Bears. He goes, yeah, U till
ownership changes it really doesn't matter what the hell they do.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
And he's right. Look, and that's why.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Look, I am ready to understand. I understand we're just
never gonna be good. The owner is a clown, right,
Woody Johnson's a clown?

Speaker 4 (09:54):
What about Brick? And he's almost an age to actually
run things?

Speaker 1 (09:58):
His sweet brick. He's walking around the lock going low
pressure front, slow pressure foot.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
But is it like being in the House of Representatives
or you gotta have an age limit to where you
can actually truly sign off on things.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
You gotta be eighteen. I mean they'll be able to vote.
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Nobody else wants this job. And that's what I keep
coming back to, is that why not hire Rex Ryan
Because at least it'll be if we're gonna suck, suck
and be fun, right, Because that's what's gonna happen. Because
nobody with options will take this job. Mike Rabel is
not taking this job. He interviewed with the Jets. Just
let everybody know. Hey, I'm back, Hey New England. You

(10:34):
want me, you gotta I'm an interview with the Jets. Oh,
we'll fire girod Mayo. Okay, Ben, the Jets aren't even
reaching out to Ben Johnson. They're talking to fifteen different
I mean a fifteen people. They're not reaching out to him.
You know why, because they know Ben Johnson is gonna
laugh in his face. They go, he's gonna turn us down.
He's got options. The Jets know nobody with options is
gonna come in and be the GM or the head coach.
So I'm like, it's embarrassing in rex Ron, but at

(10:56):
least he wants the job, and we're gonna stink anyway,
So okay. So I mean, I don't know, It's like,
I'm okay with whatever outcome happens because I know nothing's
really gonna change. So if nothing's gonna change, why not
be fun? Why not be fun? It'd be fun to
see that Jets and Rex Ryan get back together and see,
oh now I remember why we broke up in the
first place.

Speaker 3 (11:16):
Now I see this. That's that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
The sad reality, though, Jason, is how much more chaotic
will it be? Will it be than what you've seen
the last couple of years? I mean, if we're gonna
put it on a scale, you're at nine and a half,
maybe nine and three quarters, maybe over that tipping point.
Once it gets you to ten. So you're jumping up
and down, going yeah, we made it.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
I mean, it's already been.

Speaker 4 (11:37):
An absolute disaster week after week and even after this
big performance with Rogers in the finale, much like we
had talked about at the end of last year, watch
he's gonna put up a giant show.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
And now everybody's gonna.

Speaker 4 (11:49):
Say, well, because they're gonna do what we did weeks ago,
look at the quarterback world and say what do you
have and what out there could be better? There ain't much.
So if you're Ben Johnson or someone you're not leaving
a situation whereby it's like, yeah, I'm gonna go have
the bridge with Aaron Rodgers or I'm gonna go have
the bridge with Kirk Cousin. You're not doing it because

(12:09):
you're not drafting high enough to go get that guy
of the future that is an obvious and ready air
apparent and next up kind of guy. We don't have
that in this year's draft. Maybe you find him, Maybe
there's a guy you fall in love with. If you're
a big coaching prospect, and certainly with Ben Johnson, I
think you get a little more latitude as to what
he might decide he likes, but for the Jets and

(12:31):
Rex Ryan, no, the hell is entertaining as hell for us,
So give me two or three years of that, I'll
sign up for it.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
The Jets have put in request to interview Steelers offensive
coordinator Arthur Smith. Bill's OC Joe Brady.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
I think it was the cartoon guy, Arthur. Is he
gonna have that fist balled up the whole time? Like
the medium?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
They want to talk to Lines DC, Aaron Glenn for me,
justin Well, Mike, the Jets do love fists. Broncos did. Okay,
that was an I can and poly joke. Okay, get it, uh, Broncos, DC, Vans,
Joseph Chiefs, O C. Matt Naggy like, what the hell
are you doing? But okay, I know the list is going.
Brian Flores, Vikings defense with whatever. They want another Brian

(13:14):
everybody named Brian.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
Did they cross Brian Flores after Jamior Gibbs ran Wild.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
They want Niners quarterback coach Brian Greasy. Oh okay, and
you know it's still not done. They want to make
them a bicycle. They want Vikings quarterback coach Josh McCown.
They want Texans. O see Bobby Slowick. These are all people.
I mean, how many people come on? Man, it's a
what a copter?

Speaker 7 (13:34):
This year?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
You still want to talk to Bobby Slowick?

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Like I said, it's it's they're just going to fail,
nothing's going to change, So at least be fun and
it's and.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's to go back.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
I'm going, yeah, it's embarrassing that Rex Ryan is going
to stalk the checks into giving his job back.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
But this is the reality, this is the hand.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
But there's the headline for the the clip that will
go up on TikTok and Instagram out of this segment,
the idea of it, you'll at least be fun.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Yeah, if we're gonna lose, we're gonna lose. We're gonna
be terrible. So why are not gonna fail spectacularly? Is
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I'm telling you why not? I mean, he's the he's
the stalker X. But why not bring him back? That's

(14:25):
a that's a loaded stalker X. Bring him back the devil.
You know the devil. You don't coming up next? You'd
think the answer, this is gonna be the Jets of it. No, no, no,
After what happened today, there is no doubt that the
team who has been the worst on field franchise since
twenty twenty has happened. And really, it's not Cleveland the

(14:49):
worst on field franchise.

Speaker 3 (14:53):
No, it's not the Jets.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
The worst on field franchise since twenty twenty has been identified.

Speaker 3 (14:59):
Me, it's not the Bears.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
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and Black Monday been reserved for all the coaches getting
fired in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
We still may have more like I would.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
I really do wonder if at some point, like you know,
Goodell reaches out saying, listen, we want to stagger these
firings so we can keep the news going until you know,
we got these pesky college football playoff games the end
of this week. Can you wait a couple of days
before you fire somebody? Look, I got the I got
the Patriots ready to go on Sunday night. I got
the Jaguars ready on Monday. We're good Tuesday, will Avata.

(16:34):
Let's just just do what one or two a day
until we get everything all settled.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
It did seem kind of odd that we didn't suddenly
have the barrage because we've been talking seven to nine
teams and we got some coordinators and immediately it's like,
how many teams are running up to hire lou Anarumo.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
It's like, did you watch what that defense did this year?

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Zach Taylor should be fired for not having him houstured
after three or four weeks. See, And that's the thing
that what's going on right now with teams is that
usually hey decisions made on Monday and we have a
few openings, But teams that haven't done it are sitting
there right now and they're asking a big question. They're saying, Okay,
how many guys are out there that we'd be excited

(17:17):
to go get as head coach?

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Are there?

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Just like there's a questionable year in quarterbacks this year?
Because no, it's not like it was last year and
other years. Suddenly the quarterback class is not great.

Speaker 4 (17:27):
I mean even the top two guys have very divisive reports.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Am I going to go all in for one of
these couple of guys? Am I going to more likely
take a quarterback and developmental guy in the second or
third round? I don't know that I really want to
start over at quarterback this year because oh boy, it's
not like I can go out there's like seven or
eight guys out that I'd be happy to get.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
It's the same thing with coaches. You already have the
four openings.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
It's okay, now, Raiders and other teams, it's well, who's
out there that we really want to go get? Are
we sure that the person we're gonna get is going
to be an upgrade aid over the person we're letting go?
And there's two candidates. There's two candidates that that are
the sure fire guys. It's Ben Johnson and it's Mike Rabel.
That's it, and there's a big drop off. There's other

(18:11):
other people you would talk to, but it's a guy
like Arthur Smith had his chance didn't work right, Matt
Naggy for some reason, the Jets want to talk to him.
He's had his chance didn't work. There's not a guy,
there's not a lot of coordinators former coaches that will
come in and say, hey, I can either a be
the CEO your organization needs, or I can come in

(18:31):
with an offensive system that's gonna turn the world on
it's here. Because that's what you want out of a
head coach and there's two guys, there's Ben Johnson and
there's Mike Rabel everybody else. There's all kinds of questions
on so you're gonna get a lot of I don't
know where the guys out there really wanted. Yeah, I'm
not sure. So that's why you're seeing this be more
of a trickle on Black Monday than normally is where hey,

(18:52):
we get four names right away, and usually every couple
of hours we're getting an update. Oh, so and so's fired,
that this guy got fired, this guy got fired.

Speaker 4 (18:59):
Yeah, McCarthy the wild card and all of it. Right,
Whether Jerry and he and his agents, McCarthy's agents actually
are are nearing to a deal and it's just not
being disclosed at this point. Although if Jerry's going to
try to sell me that he didn't know Cooper Rush
had a giant contract incentive excuse me, and that they
didn't have that buttoned up, I gotta wonder if the

(19:22):
contract for his coach isn't in the same sort. The
other is we all agree, generally speaking, and this is
grand big picture, is that you don't want a defensive
coach necessarily, which kind of kicks Glenn and Joseph down
a peg. Maybe Joseph's attempt at head coaching is something

(19:44):
that stays with and is a demerit to him. But certainly,
after last night's effort, Aaron Glenn's stock probably should rise
in general. But again, are you wanting to bring in
a defensive mind to go through your process, especially if
you're looking at a young quarterback or you're about to
acquire a young quarterback.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
You want someone who has succeeded and has jumped off
the page at you and that, And that's the thing is,
it's just not a year where those guys and they're guys,
it's a lucky year for head coaches, just like, wow,
I may keep my job this year just because there's
nobody else, Like why are the Giants sticking with Joe
Shane and Brian Dable even though it's ridiculous they are? Well,
is there anybody the Giants are sold on that's going

(20:25):
to come in and give you a different culture that
you need.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
No, it's not out there.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
But when you want to get to a move that
was made that makes you understand who the biggest on
field dumpster fire has been in the NFL the last
five years, that's no, No, no, no, just on field. This
is on field, right, This is not this is not

(20:51):
off field. The owner is crazy. This is what's happening.
His son is making moves, the teenagers figuring things out. No, no, no,
not what's going on? Why are you guaranteeing this guy
money when the guy like Deshaun Watson?

Speaker 3 (21:02):
That's what I know. This is.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
You want to say, who has been the biggest worst
on field franchise of the last five years?

Speaker 3 (21:11):
That's right, No, that's judge.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
There are only one game behind. Yeah, on the field,
they're one game behind the Panthers.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
On the games.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
No, no, no, this is strictly on the field, not
everything that goes along with it, not firing a head
coach and then firing a GM in the middle of
the season and expecting that things are going to get better.

Speaker 3 (21:28):
The biggest on.

Speaker 1 (21:29):
Field dumpster fire in the last five years since twenty
twenty is the Patriots. They fired girod Mayo a day ago,
ostensibly because Bob Kraft is having a little bit of
buyer's remorse. Oh a guy that we thought was going
to be so great struggled this year.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, I wanted to get the first pick. Now we
don't have it.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
But Mike Rabel is the guy we really want, and
so I have to fire Girod Mayo to bring in
Mike Rabel, right Like, That's ostensibly why this was done.
And this is why the Patriots are the are the
worst on field franchise because of two reasons. Number one,
because of the heights they fell from. After twenty years,
after twenty years of the fast lane and dominance, they

(22:11):
let Tom Brady go. They let Bill Belichick run the
franchise till he ran into the ground, and now they
are absolutely awful. Their record the last five years is
thirty three and fifty one. It's the sixth worst record
in the NFL. This is a team that way, and
they fell off. They fell off the cliff, right And
but okay, other teams are bad, Jason, The Panthers are bad,

(22:31):
the Jets are bad.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
Okay, But the.

Speaker 1 (22:34):
Patriots fell from this height, this incredibly large height. And
the other reason why it's such a big deal why
they're the worst franchise is because this was all their fault.
This is all self inflicted wounds that they didn't have
to have. They couldn't manage Brady and Belichick getting along together, which,
come on, guys, figure things out right, No, but they couldn't,

(22:54):
so they had to let Brady go. How do you
let a Hall of fame quarterback who can still play
walk out the door? Do you have to choose between
a head coach and a quarterback? And then then you
put the guy in charge and you realize, oh, he
doesn't know how to run a team. All of this
could have been avoided. This is not bad decision where
we thought this guy was going to be great as
our quarterback and it didn't work out. We thought this

(23:15):
guy would be a great head coach, it didn't work out.
These were all things that could have been avoided. New
England didn't need to be this dumpter fire, but apparently
they did because they couldn't figure out the quarterback and
the head coach getting along when they had gotten along
for twenty bleeping years twenty years and they lowball Brady
on a contract and they want to move on from anyway,
and Belichicken did wanted to move on from him for years.

(23:36):
The whole Jimmy Garoppolo a drama that went on like
how does this happen? How are you not happy enough?
Winning the Super Bowl? Every three years. So that's why
when I say who's the biggest dumpster fire on the field,
strictly on the field's twenty twenty, it's the Patriots because
they fell from such an unbelievable height and it's all
their fault. Nothing happened outside where Hey, we had to

(23:57):
take a chance, we had to try to project into
the future. Sure it didn't work with who we brought in. No, no, no,
you had a chance to keep it going. You could
have won another Super Bowl or two. You could have
kept it all going. Would have been great. People would
come and play for the Patriots if Brady was there,
Belichick was there.

Speaker 3 (24:10):
But no, you couldn't figure out a way to make
it work.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
That's why they're the biggest dumpster farre strictly on the
field now, not off the field. The craziness, that's different.
That's that gets into what your your teenage son is making.
The that's different. This is on the field.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
As of Patriots.

Speaker 4 (24:24):
Well, Craft had gotten all sorts of credit for years.
Turns out, you know, you got nothing. It was really
again the coexistence, however tenuous at times, between Brady and Belichick,
and then you move on from that, you give more
power to Belichick, whatever erosion you had in that front office,
and lessen the impact of other decision makers. And we

(24:47):
saw the coordinators. We saw all that because you don't
have any catastrophic injuries along the way, right, Because normally
you have a we draft a quarterback, he gets hurt,
or we draft some big component part to our defensive
line or or to the receiving core or something, and
you have an injury or what's in this case, it's
there are they're just not difference makers. Maybe Drake may

(25:09):
can become that guy Stevenson looked being pretty good running
back as a guy that you can make a bell
cow and then excuse me, fumbling issues.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Dude, you okay, man, you are right. I don't know
of a hiccups a lot.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
You could have just held it could have just scared you.
It could have showed you a picture of Caleb Williams
with Rex Ryan's as head coach.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
He won a big game at the end, he goes
into the off season the conquering hero.

Speaker 3 (25:32):
In spite of all of that.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
Although I think in Chicaga there were a lot of
folks going, it would only be poetic if this fifty
one yard attempt from Santos either misses or gets blocked instead.
It's good they beat the backers. All of that to say,
as you go down your your list and dumps fired. Look,
the fall's gonna happen at some point. It's just a
matter of how you level it out. And they weren't

(25:53):
able to level it out. It's like you have the
quarterback removed, coach is still there, so you think there's
at least gonna be a smooth process to the end
because he can still coach. He just shouldn't have been
allowed to pick the groceries. It's the same argument, different
team that you have all the time with Jerry Jones. Nope,
I bought the team and it allows me to be
the GM, so I'm never giving that up. So yeah,

(26:16):
it's two sides of the same coin. But you know,
still the field, that's the last two years with their
But that's different.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
But that's different. But it's still on the field. No, no,
it's not.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
It's off the field. Look, he gets hurt. It's off
the field drama. It's are you the right leader for
this team? You're leaving in mini camp, You're going to Egypt.
What's gonna happen, like, let me try to be the
GM and make trades where it'll get guys that I'd
like you to bring in Alan Lazard, We're gonna get
Deavonte Adams. That's off the field drama. That is just, oh,
come on, man, But the Patriots franchise on the field.

(26:50):
I mean, you had everything now, but it wasn't enough.
It was you couldn't get along anymore. Bob Craft couldn't
broke her away with for Brady to stay, didn't but
all of a sudd and it was what I mean,
Bob Craft, you're the bleeping owner of the team.

Speaker 7 (27:03):
Man.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
You get Belichick and bringing room and say, guys, you
gotta get along, and it seems like they're getting along
well that but guys, you gotta get along. I'm not
breaking this up. Why would I do this? But they
were stupid and it was all self inflicted. They could
have kept it going, probably won another Super Bowl or
to maybe one more. That could have gone, but they
wouldn't be in this level of disarray, and it would
it wouldn't have been to the point where hey, we're

(27:24):
firing a coach after one year.

Speaker 3 (27:26):
Girod Mayo was the guy for years.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
We're gonna see he's gonna succeed Bill Belichick, And now
we're dumping them after a year.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
And Bob Craft is crying every five minutes, going, I
feel awf on what I do. Please don't be mad
at me because I fired Girod Mayo after a year.
Please like everything he does.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
He's done so many uh uh, he's had so many
quotes over the last twenty four hours about how bad
he feels for Gerrod Mayo. Then you shouldn't have fired
the guy. You should have let You should have let
him take over a team, given him a year because
the roster is terrible. It's absolutely abysmal. You have nobody
you're starting over at quarterback. Oh but no, now, no,
but I like Mike rabel Moore. Now like this, this
shows you, right, this shows you how much a quarterback

(28:04):
can smooth over.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Okay, well you don't.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
People don't understand how much a really good quarterback can
smooth over when it comes to a team and Brady,
because look, things weren't smooth with the Patriots for twenty years.
But Brady was the best quarterback in the league and
one of the top three quarterbacks all time in the
game left is the most decorated quarterback. He smooths all
those things over. Brady's gone, and Brady's all done. Now

(28:28):
look while look at all these warts that went on. Yeah,
all of a sudden, Bob Craft didn't start just turn
into this guy. Bill Belichier didn't just turn into this guy.
But Brady was able to cover up all this stuff.
And they still couldn't find a way and Bob Craft
had to know it, and they still couldn't find a
way to.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
Cal thumb winning cures all and you thought you you
went with the seemingly ageless. Part of it is that
your coach is still going to be able to take
care of business again, the decision making about roster building
and who he was able to hire a coordinators.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Dude, you have so you have to figure that hiccupping out.
I'm counting. I'm like, we're forgetting more, like like when
you count for lightning. I'm waiting to try to get
further away, trying to less. You're okay, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
What happened that Well, you got a hiccup. I mean
you've hiccup before.

Speaker 4 (29:12):
Right, Today is the first day I've had hiccups and
coming up next.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
As long as I can remember, the man.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Who's been hiccupping for the last twenty five years. Kill me,
kill me, kill me, kill me. Did that make you laugh?

Speaker 3 (29:25):
You're good? Now you're not. It's solving anything. Yeah, you laughing.
Now you're not hiccupping anymore. Come on, man, come on, dude,
I don't know what's having it.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Come on, my body is reacting. You're rejecting me your help.
Just talk about the Bears and Jets.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Make me ill.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
You're hiccupping that you are. You are the hiccupping train
wreck that is the Patriots of football, except you're the
hiccupping train wreck of health.

Speaker 4 (29:48):
Right, and I would still say the Bears on on
field still worse going to end of game situations, games
that should have been one. The Patriots didn't have a
lot of those. They were just bad.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, but that's what.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
But at least you had a situation where you were
good enough to almost win. This is where we're not
good enough to win it. I'll rather suck no but
on the press about what you'd rather do. It's about
how good a team is versus how bad a team is,
how far you've fallen. This team you had it was
a bear the error feeling the page. It's twelve from here.
It's like an eight mile living up here. Now you're

(30:22):
living down here. That's bad the bears. What hey, we
went from living on the sixth floor and now we're
living on the on the fifth floor. Or Sean Malkovich
five and a half, we're getting off a floor five
and a half.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
That's where you are.

Speaker 7 (30:34):
Well.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Mike Harmon drinks some water and holds his breath. A
guy's been drinking water and holding his breath for the
last five minutes. It's Steve de Sager, who has what's trending?

Speaker 8 (30:42):
Playoffs start this weekend. I'll be hold in my breath
a lot. By the way, the Guinness World Record says
American Charles Osborne started hiccupping in nineteen twenty two while
attempting to weigh a hog before slaughtery, and was unable
to find the cure.

Speaker 3 (30:58):
He later became the Green Gobbler. It sounds like a yeah, no,
that sounds like a like a horror movie.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Oh you're gonna would be You're gonna try to slaughter
this hog. The hog puts a curse on you. You're
never gonna stop pickupping.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
They said.

Speaker 8 (31:09):
The hiccups continued still a morning in February nineteen ninety.
From nineteen twenty two.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
To nineteen ninety Maybe hiccups are good for you if
you're living that long with hiccups.

Speaker 3 (31:19):
He left alone and hung out with the hogs, and.

Speaker 8 (31:21):
Then it ended, and then he died in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 3 (31:25):
So there you go.

Speaker 8 (31:26):
Wow, programming notes by the way, Lessen, maybe it's not
about thing programming.

Speaker 7 (31:31):
You know.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
We got college basketball.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
All right, Sorry, it's doctor Steve de Sager right now
telling you what's trending.

Speaker 8 (31:36):
No, no, get us world records. Just putting two and
two together here. I don't know about that. We got
to believe it or not. At this late hour, after
eleven thirty, Eastern college basketball still going.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
They're on.

Speaker 8 (31:49):
I don't know how many reviews this has been. They're
still going. At the University of Minnesota, it's about fifteen
seconds left in overtime. Gophers led Ohio State seventy two.
Already wins for Houston and Wisconsin. The late NBA game
has the heat at head sixty eight sixty two at
Zacramento late in the third for the Kings Dearon Fox

(32:10):
out again with a bruised leg. At Chicago, Zach Lavine
thirty five points in a win over San Antonio one
fourteen one ten. Minnesota was down nineteen second quarter, it
still beat the Clippers one eight one oh six, and
Memphis sent Dallas to a fifth straight loss one nineteen,
one oh four. Kyrie Irving could miss one to two
weeks with a bad back. Eagles quarterback Jalen Hurts is

(32:32):
still in concussion protocol. Packers wide receiver Christian Watson suffered
at torn acl yesterday. The brown Say quarterback Deshaun Watson
experienced a setback in his rehab from October's achille surgery.
The Chargers are signing running back Ezekiel Elliott to their
practice squad. Running Back Gus Edwards has an ankle injury.
Jacksonville fired head coach Doug Peterson. The Bengals fired defensive

(32:54):
coordinator lou Anarumo. The Colts fired defensive coordinator Gus Bradley.
Seattle fired off defensive coordinator Ryan Grubb. Top rank golfer
Scottie Scheffler withdrew from next week's event in southern California
after hand surgery. The PGA Tour is still in Hawaii
this week. Scheffler hopes to debut at the end of
this month at Pebble Beach. The Dodgers traded infielder Gavin

(33:15):
Lux to the Reds. The Dodgers just signed an infielder
from South Korea. The Royals are re signing pitcher Michael
Lorenzen one year plus an option. Texas signed reliever Chris Martin.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
And a reminder.

Speaker 8 (33:26):
College football's playoff semi start Thursday. The NFL playoff schedule
starts Saturday.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Back to you, Thank you, Steve, so now real.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
I want to say this because Seve brought the story
that the Seahawks firing O c Ryan Grubb today.

Speaker 3 (33:38):
How would Chris Berman announce this story?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
It's got something to do with eating grubs at Lug
East PUMBA.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
Why wait, he was a young one and DJ clearly
Grub no longer the hub of the Seahawks offense. Po
I tried to find a way to skip rub hubbed together.
No longer the hub of the Seahawks offense. Brought to
you by Grub no longer delivering his grub as the

(34:10):
hub of the Seahawks offense.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
There you go.

Speaker 4 (34:12):
That was the line that was right there. I don't
know how he's the fall guy in all of this,
but when you coach, you make that okay, you're gonna
get fired unless you make it all right, he goes.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Coming up next, we stay in the NFL. What player
had the biggest and best week eighteen?

Speaker 3 (34:30):
The answer is gonna surprise you. That's next Jason and
Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
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Speaker 1 (34:48):
Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith Show with My best
friend Mike Harmon Live from the Tirereck dot Com Studios.
He yeah, look, it's black Monday. Not great for some coaches. No,
it's reality sandwiches that fans don't want to eat. But
you have to just cram that whole sandwich in your mouth.
It's reality sandwich.

Speaker 4 (35:10):
Hey, if you pulled fans of all thirty two teams,
there's very few that they'd say, yeah, I like the guy.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
I got.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Very few, I would say, even all the teams in
the playoffs can't claim now.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
I think I think if you're in the playoffs, you
got to say, well, I may not like him, but
I'm okay with it. I mean a little bit, but
I'm alright because it works. Okay, Yeah, there's you don't
have to like the guys. Okay, but you're getting a summer,
you getting some results. Sure, but you always want a
little bit more. But if you want to talk about
a guy, you want to you want to flip and
talk about positivity. On a Monday, what player had the

(35:43):
biggest Week eighteam in the NFL. The answer is going
to surprise because it's not a team that went to
the playoffs. It's not a guy and a team that
went to the playoffs. The guy with the biggest Week
eighteen and the most important Week eighteen was Bryce Young
because what Bryce Young did was he got himself employed

(36:05):
for twenty twenty five as a starting quarterback in the
NFL with the Panthers. I told you last week, Panthers
gonna win this game. Bryce Young has been really good.
He's gonna have this best game of the year. I
told you that I can play yay run, And what
happened yesterday best game of the year. And it didn't
matter what happened with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers because the

(36:26):
Panthers beat the Falcons in overtime.

Speaker 3 (36:28):
I told you Bryce Young was going to have.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
That day, and he did three touchdowns, two hundred and
fifty yards passing, He ran for two touchdowns. You're talking
about five scores altogether. Quarterback rating was won twenty three.
The last three weeks, he has gone from a guy
who was hey, awful beginning of the season, picking it
up a little bit in the middle, to wow, he
is a difference maker. Sometimes three weeks mean everything, and

(36:54):
watching him play yesterday, he is a completely different dude
from week one. Dave Canalis, head coach, even said after
the game yesterday, Bryce is our guy. Bryce is our guy.
Now doesn't mean he's gonna walk in and hey, you're
gonna We're gonna give you a huge fifty million dollar extension.
But he will go into next year as the number
one quarterback. The Panthers will go after a quarterback who

(37:15):
will play if he has to. But this is if
Bryce Young loses the job. But he will go into
the offseason number one quarterback. He'll start the season as
the number one quarterback. He will get one more chance
to succeed his big Week seventeen, where playing in one
of the most important games, one of the two biggest
important games in the NFC. Hey goes out and wins,

(37:35):
has his best game of his NFL career. And now
the last three weeks you're leaving on an upswing and
I know it's well, it's three weeks at the end
of the year, but it's still a guy that went
number one overall, who has showed you that. Maybe it
just took me a little bit longer to make it happen.
At the end of your second year, first year with
a new head coach, Okay, nobody had a better week
eighteen because he has gone into next year and he

(37:57):
assured himself a starting job and a lot of cachet
until we get to the point where, okay, now we're
moving on because if he doesn't do it next year,
and whoever they sign in free agency, whether it's Kirk
Cousins or someone else, who knows, and you have to
have the veteran come in and play. All right, well,
but you tried. You gave him another year, but he
got that other year because of the week aten he had.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Yuess. Yeah, it's a big question.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
Of whether you're gonna go into the marketplace and spend
on a large purchase. I would guess not. I would
guess that you go in with Bryce Young as your guy.
Not that you're gonna go in bereft of talent in
the room mind him, but he's established it and once
he got reinserted into the lineup, he's played really well

(38:37):
down the stretch, and for Canalis as a first year
head coach, that's all you could have hoped for was
down the stretch that you'd see signs of growth. Now
you got Miles Sanders back on the on the field.
That was a little bit of a bonus for you
because he'd been away from this squad because you'd already
lost both Chuba Hubbard and Brooks never really played. Because

(38:58):
that was a guy you were banking on to come
in and give you meaningful snaps as well throughout the year.
It put a pretty big bet on him, remember, because
that was a guy Jerry Jones talked about before day two.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Can't wait to see the Brooks kid. No, the Panthers still. Yeah,
So you had away Adam feeling let Deontay Johnson go.

Speaker 4 (39:15):
They moved on from him, but realized he was a knucklehead,
so he had to be that that certainly didn't help
the room when he was supposed to be your number one.
Adam Theeeling shows some great consistency down the stretch, and
Laged had a couple of moments. Cocher came on in
the final weeks.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Like Chatavian Sanders, he's young, but I think you.

Speaker 4 (39:32):
Might have but you know what I mean, Like you're
seeing some young players that got their sea legs under
them down the stretch as well. So in concert with
what you have with with Bryce Young, it's like, Yeah,
for twenty twenty five, you're feeling pretty good. You're still
gonna be drafting near the top. You'll be able to
go and make some more acquisitions to get through into

(39:53):
this next phase. Yeah, you got to be excited because
remember you gave up a lot when it came back
to that Bears trade and everything, so you're still going
out of that part of things as well. But looking
going forward, yeah, I'm pretty intrigued by what I've got.
Is he going to be a world beating top ten quarterback?
Perhaps not, but he is at least a guy that

(40:15):
you're saying you can build off of.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, and everybody's journey is different as a starting quarterback,
it gets to a point where the journey gets too
long and we have to move on. That's what a quarterback.
I never don't want the journey to be too long
for me. Bryce Young was at the end of that journey,
but he extended it by coming back after the benching.
He was a little bit different last at his confidence,
his swagger. I would still keep getting him outside the

(40:38):
pocket making throws because he's amazingly accurate on the run.
It's what he did at Alabama. It's why is the
number one overall pick.

Speaker 4 (40:43):
But keeping him in the pocket said just kind of dumb.
Given the stature of that man. Well come on, I mean,
you got to get him outside, you got to get
him doing that. But he's he's someone that he was
nearing the end of how long it was, and now
he's extended that.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
That's what I mean. You look at what what do
you do in one game?

Speaker 1 (41:00):
I mean really in three weeks, but finishing at such
a flourish accounting for five touchdowns.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Yeah, he's now the guy. He's now the guy going
in the next year.

Speaker 4 (41:09):
Temper is gonna go and find any sign that's against him,
and he's going to literally go into the establishment and
rip it down.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Exit out vouna fresca exit swollen dome. So if Bryce
Young is in, how about a superstar wide receiver who
is absolutely gonna be out from his team.

Speaker 3 (41:26):
That story's next, Fox,
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