February 1, 2025 • 53 mins
Jason and Mike spend the week filled with anticipation for the Super Bowl between the Chiefs and the Eagles, a great breakdown of Alex's first-time watching Shawshank Redemption, and the great Jay Glazer and Ric Bucher joins the show!
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Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, we are here.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
In the words of Mike Harmon, I celebrate all two
hundred and seventy. We are down to one NFL game
left in the seas We're down to one game and
as expected beginning of the season, the Eagles and the
Jets and All Green Super Bowl amazing an amazing, amazing
run by the Jets, who did it without a head
coach until they officially named their head coach today.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Are you busting out a crystal ball for next year already?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Is that the Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You're just trying to forget what transpired yesterday and the
two weeks of lead up to this game. Nope, We're
just moving on to the draft and whatever comes after
moving on.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, there's only two teams left, and twenty nine teams
are excited about other stuff time.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
It's like, okay, so we kind of have the yin
and yang. Everything is together.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, I mean those other thirty teams are onto other, better,
greener Pasturescinna get to fire some people, they get to
change out their rosters. There's gonna be a lot of
turnover and chaos.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now the biggest obviously, Look, we had a lot of
stuff today, and as we mentioned, the Dallas Cowboys had
their press conference today to introduce Brian Schottenheimer. The Jets
had their press conference today full of f bombs. The
Pittsburgh Steelers say, hey, we'd like either Russell Wilson or
Justin Fields back next year. But clearly everybody is still
(02:08):
buzzing over yesterday the AFCN NFC title games, and specifically
the role of the officials in the Kansas City Chiefs
win over the Bills that sent the Chiefs to the
super Bowl and Josh Allen home again going I.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Just can't beat the Chiefs. I just can't be I
don't understand.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Let me just say this, because before we get to
something bigger than the officials for this game against Kansas City,
not that hey, here's another game where a huge call
goes against the other team and for the Chiefs, but
there's the Bills have bigger fish to fry and bigger
things to point the blame at than Josh Allen not
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getting the first down on that big fourth and one
play late in the game. Because when you look at
the officiating for this game, the two big calls in
the first half, Okay, let's break it down. You add
the non jawing penalty to Travis Kelcey and the reaction
penalty from the Bills. Okay, yeah, Travis kelce probably should
have got a penalty, but it's after the touchdown, you know,
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the impact of it, Okay, is a little bit muted.
You had the catch from Xavier Worthy that was not
a catch that in order it was not a catch
and interception and then a catch by the Bills. Yes,
big deal, however, but people are forgetting is that even
if that ball goes incomplete, it's still a first and
ten for the Chiefs on the twenty yard line of
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the Bills because of the penalty on Tamar Hamlin, which
and no one remembers. Oh yeah, by the way, the
Chiefs declined that penalty because it was called a catchdown
inside the ten. So really what that was is it's
eleven yards of field position on a first down player.
It would have been first down for the Chiefs the
twenty yard line. So not enough to get rid of
the optic clearly, but the impact on the game.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Now you want to talk about Josh Allen and the
fourth down play, Yeah, because what really gets me about
it is not that he was that it wasn't overruled
after Allen was because I said, there's no way they
can overrule this, right, It's really hard to see, but
the fact that the official on the on the chief
side of the field overruled the official on the Bill
side of the field had a better view of the
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Josh Allen run where it looked like his body is
over the line. He's got the football up high on
his left shoulder, So if his body's over, his left
shoulder is over, that's a first down. And I'm like,
I can see that from the video here, and you're
still not. You still saw that that was not a
first down. But again the official on the bill side
saw it, said first down. Official the chief side comes
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and says, oh, hey, yeah, no, that was short. And
again here's another questionable call that goes the chief's way
in a big game. I mean, you can't ignore it, right,
can't You can't ignore that. This continues to happen time
after time, where we see a penalty, we see something else.
It's well, that wasn't there. At least you didn't get
a big helmet to helmet hit. That wasn't a helmet
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helmet hit yesterday, so at least we avoided that.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
Mike, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I mean in the end, the worthy play, I've probably
watched it thirty times. I'm still trying to have someone
give me a definitive response.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Is here, does it move there?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
What's the you know, was it an interception that becomes
a catch tie goes to the runner?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
What are we talking about here.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But to your point, yeah, you had a defensive penalty,
so it doesn't matter with the Allen play.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
It goes back to.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
What we've been arguing with for as long as you
and I have been doing the show, right, the fact
that we've got the eyeball test when there's how many
what do we got?
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Eight three?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
What do we got about?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Three thousand pounds worth of men up in there fighting
and clawing, and you're trying to be able to see
definitively from the other side of that, you're claiming you're
able to see where the ball is, you know, the
posture of where Alan held it, where his body was
like that seemed pretty obvious. So yes, we'll renew the
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call for chips, we'll renew the call for a new
way of doing first down markings, et cetera. But it
keeps coming back to the same thing. If the Chiefs
were boat racing people, none of this matters, right, I
remember refereeing, ayso you ever have to referee any Ayso.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, I was only a coach. I said you should referee.
I said, yep, No, this is my time that I'm donating.
I'm coaching. Someone else can refereence.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
So anybody out there that's gone through this process, you'll
you'll recognize it. Hey hey, hey, we need we need
enough points, so we need you to you know, can
you volunteer to referee?
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Now?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I didn't want to do it. I'm Soccer is not
a game I played or grew up with or anything.
But for the purposes of getting my kid to her points, yeah,
I'll do it. Hey, guess what's remaining? A twelve under boys?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
There's my first intro. Not five year old girls running in.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Good luck.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Like I made it very clear at the outset, I
go anything up in the head and neck, I'm calling it.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Yeah on that, let's go.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Boys are ruthless.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They are ruthless, and they get mad at me, and
the coach gets mad at me. It ends up being
like a nine to nothing game. So it doesn't matter.
Did I get it all right?
Speaker 8 (06:57):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Because you train on a grid or you're like a
sky judge, so all of a sudden, being on the
field and trying to pull with that doesn't work. But
in that game doesn't matter. It's a blowout. In a
Chiefs game, they're not running away and hiding, so every
one of those plays gets magnified.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Now, look now, obviously that's a thing, right, I can't
ignore it. Can't ignore this. I'm not saying it's not
a thing, because you can only have it happen so
many times before you.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Go wow, continues to happen, continues to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But here's what the Bills should be worried about more
and be more mad at than oh, hey, you've DoD
that call. Because that call. I can't quantify it because
I don't know what would have happened if Josh Allen
gets that first down. Maybe the Bills go in and
score a touchdown, maybe they don't. Maybe the Chiefs still
score a touchdown when they get the ball back, maybe
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they don't. It's hard to quantify. You had thirteen minutes
left in the game, so it would have been a
different game. But I can't quantify that because it still
could have gone anybody's way. What I can quantify is
Sean McDermott completely blowing the game for the Bill with
this ridiculous two point conversion decisions. And I really I
have to open up, you know, the the training that
I have opened in the off season for coaches. They're
(08:09):
two minute time management, Like I'm charging like fifteen and
twenty grand, you know a session now per coach, because
they need to know how to call timeouts and manage
the clock inside of two minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right, And it's great.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Right, everybody flies out to LA, we have a day
of golf. There's team bonding activities. We do real and
we do real live game situations on a field. It's
like Top Gun, except I'm teaching coaches how to use
timeouts and not in the final two minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I gotta add to that. I gotta add when to
go for two? Like that's like a new thing that
if you want to stay for like a half day
on Sunday, Like if you want to fly out early, great,
if you want to stay for the extra half day
from extra five grand, we can go over when to
go for two points? Because Sean McDermott helped cost the
Bills the game with that ridiculous and it's not getting
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paid enough attention to. They're down twenty one, and they're
down twenty one ten and they score ten touchdown to
make it twenty one to sixteen. Okay, you know what
kick the extra point, go to twenty one seventeen. There's
so much time left in the game, you have half
the game left. But no, they decide, let's go for two.
Why why are you going for two? The rest of
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that game is not gonna be just a field goal, right,
I mean this is this is not in a monsoon
on a field in the rain and the snow. There's
gonna be more points, right, why are you doing this?
The Bills don't make it, so minus one for the Bills.
Then they score a touchdown to go ahead. What do
they have to do? Then, well, they got to go
for two there because they didn't go for it. Let
they didn't make it the last time. Now it's twenty
two to twenty one. They go for it again, they
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don't get it, so that's minus two for the Bills.
So it's twenty two to twenty one. When the Chiefs
score to take the lead, they go up twenty eight
twenty or twenty seven to twenty two. Of course they're
gonna go for two because they have to, right, they
have to because the Bill you know, this game is
only a six point game. So they go for two
and they make it. Whereas had the Bills just kicked
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the extra points. At twenty twenty one. The Chiefs are
scoring a touchdown kicking the extra point to go of
twenty eight twenty four. So instead of chasing a twenty
eight to twenty four game, the Bills are chasing a
twenty nine to twenty two game. That's a minus three
I can put minus three points on on Sean McDermott
because of that, and what was the final score of
the game, thirty two to twenty nine, And because I
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could do math, how many points is that three? So hey, yes,
that's what Bills fans should be met at. The ridiculous
decisions to go for two just make make no sense
because it's three point. It's a three point swing because
it should have been twenty one seventeen twenty four to
twenty one, twenty eight, twenty four, and then the end
of the game goes way differently. Okay, wait a minute,
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twenty eight twenty four the Bills were chasing three more
points than they had to because of those dumb decisions.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I don't get.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I don't get why coaches think we have to do
this and go for two and enough two and even
because it threw the Chiefs into well, now we have
to go for two where they wouldn't have done it.
So that's really if you're mad, if you're a Bills fan,
and go, what are your coaching staff? And Sean McDermott decided, Hey,
we're gonna make things even more difficult, right, tough enough
to win on the road in Burrowhead, tough enough to
wait it, but no, no, no, we're gonna go do this,
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and we're gonna go make it even tougher by going
for two and we don't have to. Oh and we
don't make it. No, by the way, maybe chef better
two point plays because they clearly don't have good two
point plays after they got snuffed out that as well,
so that I can quantify. So if you want to
be mad at stuff, you've been mad at the rest
as one hundred percent, we'll be mad at that call
and how it just keeps happening for the Chiefs. Yes,
but be more mad that your coach cost you with
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those two point conversion decisions.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Look at you.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I love this.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
After eleven years, the confidence in math you were.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Not that much.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I mean, well, the thing is, we're doing low numbers here,
you know, we're topping out of three. Still, you know,
I'm not you know, I'm not doing square root of
I'm not rain man here, Ray, what's the square root
of one hundred and thirty eight to four point seven points.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Zero one zero one, zero one one. Yeah, we're writing code.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Eighty two eighty two, eighty two, two hundred and forty six.
There's four in the box there. Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
When they scored at the end of the first half
and go for two, my initial thought was right along
the lines of what you laid out of. You're not
shutting this team down altogether. Now they only scored what
eleven more points the rest of the game at that point,
but they think that you're shutting it down or that
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you're not going to score again. I get it to
a degree, making it a field goal game. But go
in with the momentum, kick the pat and roll versus
all right, the last play.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Is a miss.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
All right, it's a no go, and now we're chasing
those points coming.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Out of behalf.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So all of the psychology of football coming into play here.
That and you always know you're climbing a mountain against
the Chiefs, and off on the side might be you know,
like you're on the Mata Horn, you know, and you've
got the you know, the abominable snowman looking right. You're
in the Himalayas and here it's the referees. So you're
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climbing that mountain. Don't make it any tough for your
for yourself, then you have to.
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Speaker 3 (13:19):
I wanna I want to clue you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And in the conversation I just had with Alex ty
Shirt before we started the show, Okay, we we have
to talk about this because this is this is like
a this is like a three person intervention.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Now you, me and Frostburg.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
I don't know if I want to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So too late to two man, it's too late.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Here's a pre show meeting.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
It's happening. It's happening, man, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So Tyjer says to me, you know, we always talk
about movies and different things, and I have recommendations for
him and he gives me recommendations and everything, and it
works out really well. Because I see stuff that I
would never watch. What's someone you tell me? What's the
one with the Paris catacombs?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That was just crazy?
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
As above, so below? Yeah, so good movie.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Was so ass above? So no, no, no, no, no,
that that's different. That's late at night on a different network.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
It's sood ave so below. Yes, right, that was a movie.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yes, it's it's the Catacombs in Paris, and it's it's
a crazy movie. It's one of those where you laughing,
Oh my god, this movie is crazy. But Tys just me, Hey,
I got a question for you, I said, Okay, he goes.
I'm about twenty five minutes in. Uh, you know, And
and I want to know is Shawshank Redemption a good movie?
Because I tell you, I don't think he killed his wife.
(14:28):
I don't think that happened. How does that like, like, is.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It not to be a good movie?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
Please?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
All right?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Alex is thirty years old, and he said he's watching
Showshank Redemption for the first Yes, not not that, but
asking if it's a good movie, like like you've like
you've never thought you watch stuff like as above, so below,
You've never had one conversation about Shawshank Redemption.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
No with anybody, really, No.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
It's ever recommended it because it's never on television.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I don't like that.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
It's it's never.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
On you never get to see it. They never put
it on you but like years, Yeah, but it's on
TV all the time.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
But I don't watch TV like that.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yes, yeah, how do you watch TV?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
It's like, oh, randomly pick a movie streaming?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Uh huh, oh okay, you don't, so you don't watch
Joe Turn on television?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You never had any desire to watch Shaws four?
Speaker 10 (15:19):
Now, really, no one, Jason, this sounds crazy. No one
has ever said, hey, Alex, you should watch Shawshank Redemption.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
All right, Well, first of all, it's it's it's kind
of implied that everybody should watch it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
There's that. Secondly, how did you wind up watching it? Then?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Did you?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Did they get recommended for you? Watch it? Oh? This Shawshanker,
this looks like it might be pretty good.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Like I was on a Christopher Nolan spree because every
movie you said sucked is incredible, and so I found
not having any more movies to watch and I saw
Shawshank Redemption. I was like, yo, justin have you seen this,
and he looked at me and he's like, what are
you asking me? I was like, have you seen shaw
Shank Redemption? He's like, stop messing with me.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
I never said I'm still waiting for Ashton Kutcher to
pop out of the bushes.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, at some point he's gonna come out and go, ah,
gotcha man and bring it back punked. I never said
all of Christopher Nolan's movies stink.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yes you did.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
The first half of a lot of his movies are
good and then they stink.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Mike, you were here for it.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Am I get it right?
Speaker 7 (16:14):
He trashed his entire career.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The first half of his movies are generally very good,
and then the second half they stink.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Because you don't understand very long.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I understand they're too long, and they get into these
esoteric things like what what conversation of these characters even
having right now?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
What are they even talking about? It's not anything to
do with the movie. That's what Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Does, Jason. It's time.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
You can do anything with time and traveling. That's why
it's so brilliant.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Oh you can really, Yes, you go back in time?
You can.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I can't but he can.
Speaker 11 (16:48):
Oh, I thought you about making a movie. I can
do whatever the hell I want. Tell the story how
I do? I thought Tyser meant like in real life
he figured out how he might be able to do that.
He was just on a fast.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I don't know what kind of worlds you are sure.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I came back to enjoy you, guys.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I saw the future. Man, it's awesome.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
Jason, just because you like bun berger and lettuce does
not make it a good burger. Okay, let's sometimes you
need burgers with sauce and steads.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
No, what makes a good burger for Jason?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
His cheese.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, you gotta have cheese on it. I mean, why
am I having?
Speaker 8 (17:18):
It?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Doesn't have anything?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
It could be moving as long as I was gonna say,
it could have any version of meat like product.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
As long as there's cheese.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
You got cheese on it doesn't matter. No, but let's
go back. Let's go back to this Shawshank Redemption thing.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So, so, as someone who now I think this is fun,
because every single person listening has seen this movie, I
want to say, So, what do you think so far?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Your twenty What are you up to in the movie?
Speaker 10 (17:40):
So I'm up to the part where Morgan Freeman basically
is introducing him to the life there and unfortunately the
sisters are making his life kind of bad.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
In the institution.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, boiler alert, they're not sisters. Yeah,
you're up to bogs? Yeah yeah, box part.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Okay, but I'll say this dog had a good run.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Box. Wait, what spoiler?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I like Boggs.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
What do you mean you like Boggs? What do you
You must have not gotten up to the party.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
He hasn't gotten the bogs.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah you might.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
What if I want to tell you he has and
he still likes him.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Then that would then doesn't come true and we have
a whole other problem.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
That's yeah, that's a whole thing, man.
Speaker 10 (18:18):
No, Jason, I just think off of the beginning scene
where it shows him on trial for the quote unquote
murder of his wife and her mistresses or whatever. I
don't think he did it. The reason why is watching
him in prison. He's just a very wholesome, good hearted
and an intellectual mind that would know what would happen
if he did it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
No, it does.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And when they introduced the one Armed man later on,
he's gonna be the one that gets killed as they're
gonna go after him. Watch Frederick Sykes is his name.
What we're making out be gorgeous, We're making it. Tommy
Lee Jones comes in, bust, Tim Robbins out of prison.
They go after the one Armed man. They catch him
in Chicago of all places. Right, it's insane. Oh my,
(18:58):
good smicker, you forgot tell him. You know, he's really excited.
He loves Blade, so he'll be very excited when Wesley
Snipe shows up.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Wesley Snide plays a vampire.
He shows up. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, he's great, he's great.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, it's really it's real. It's really cool, man, tell you.
They jump time a lot. They go from the you know,
the the fifties, they jump ahead to like the year
twenty fifty. Oh I mean yeah, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
We had a theory. I thought the warden was a vampire.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Okay, okay, Bob Dunton, Yeah okay.
Speaker 10 (19:26):
Because he always talks about no Lord's name in vain,
like vampires don't like the lord maybe.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Sure, sure yeah, or you know, being religious either one
umber vampires. So let me ask you this now, let's
finish here. Uh, So how do you think this movie unfolds?
Just give me your guess what you think the plot
is the rest of the movie.
Speaker 10 (19:43):
I have a feeling it's just going to follow their
life in prison and show you exactly how he gets
through it, how he adapts to it.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And I have a theory.
Speaker 10 (19:50):
I do believe somewhere along the way, I'm gonna find
out that he never did do it, but he feels
subconsciously because of what happened, he was a part of
it or something. He serves his time. We get to
see the end of his life and him and Red,
which is Morgan Freeman. I know that one. By the way,
it's pretty cool. I think there's going to be some
kind of plot twists where at the end he gets
found innocent, but it's already too late because he's.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Been institutionalized for like forty years or something. That's my guest.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Okay, okay, very good, All right.
Speaker 9 (20:18):
If I were to tell you Brooks actually turns into
the hul cuts all out, that's impressive.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
It leans into his bird.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
We can make if we can make Harrison Ford the Hulk,
I mean, he's in his eighties, and you can make
Brooks into the Hulk.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I think that can easily happen.
Speaker 10 (20:34):
But by the way, Jason, why we report cases so
bad back then? What do you mean why were they They
didn't even like really look into evidence. They just said, oh,
you were there, you were drinking, you had a gun,
you must have done it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, no, you didn't need to back It was really easy.
It was really easy.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
It seemed pretty clean cut, right.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, some people would just walk in and the
judge would say, you look really guilty, man, you have
an RGS. Do that your honor resting guilty face, and
he would say fifteen years take away, And that's how
you're kidding me?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh yeah. Sometimes do you even have lawyers? Back then?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It was just people in the family that they thought
were smart that would just show up and try to
say things.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Oh yeah, it's what lawyers do. When you go and
you're potentially going to be on a jury. They take
one look at you, maybe ask you one question, and
you're either in or out right there.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean, look, law changed forever with a few
good men. Then we started getting into okay, there's got
to be research and performance in court and what you
know you can and can't do, and box to your clients,
so they don't tell you they weren't actually in the
barracks when when Kendrick came in to order the code red.
You know certain things like, oh, okay, now I know
how I need to act as a lawyer and law
(21:39):
since then, sin's the mid nineties all through the roof.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Man, what a great profession.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
I will say this, Mikey is leaving a very important
detail out about that whole conversation I had with him.
Can I tell you, Mike, Yeah, please, okay, I asked him,
and I said, please, Jason, do not judge me. I said,
is Shaw Shank a good movie? And he starts laughing,
laughing in my face.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
He's like, what are you a good movie?
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Not figured that out?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Shirt Together is one of the best films of the last.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
I don't know if I've ever seen it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I don't know that because because you're watching so below
we're above in the middle or whatever, you're watching movies
like that, you gotta watch something like this.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I'm just asking you next time, Mike, because he belittled me.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
This is on everyone's well because first I thought it
was a joke that you were asking joke Shanka good movies.
It's Shawshakh good, but I don't know. Hey, this is
godfather is that?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Is it? Godfathers? It's come on, We've been around this
this life long enough to realize that people you meet
have very large blind spots movies, TV music for sure,
that you just you have no idea.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Tight shirt tip and he does anime. I'm sure you've
seen some kind of anime version of Shawshank Redemption before.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I'm sure that's happened.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Well.
Speaker 10 (22:54):
I mean, there is one called Tokyo Revengers. It's kind
of a line with is bute.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Okay, revengers is that a word?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Revenge?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Andrews is a real word.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, as you make it up, just like like aren't
all words made up?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Like Kenny the fish called Wanda revenge revenge, revenge. Okay?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Uh so hey, let's let let me know at as
you uh as you perceive, what you what you think
about the movie. I want I want to update every
twenty five minutes that you watch of the film. Okay, okay,
so the next one, when you get to be about
an hour in, let me let me know what you're
thinking of Okay.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I do have a prediction.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
I don't think the sisters are a faith or a
what like a faith like religious?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Oh okay, all right, okay, that's a that's a that's
a good prediction.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
They might followed their own style things. REVENGERVENG twenty twenty three,
Japanese original anime television series.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It follows a samurai named Riiso Kumi Karima who crosses
paths with hit men known as Revengers after being betrayed
by his superiors.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So good, I think that was made up.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's like a recently made up ward and it's like, hey,
new words of the dictionary in twenty twenty four include
selfie and you know stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, I think that that's me.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
The Revengers nineteen seventy two. After a rancher's family is
massacred by a gang of outlaws, he assembles a mean
team of convicts as his UH crew to pursue the killers.
That sounds like an AI plot. Hey, AI, make up
a plot of a movie for me. Here's a movie.
We'll call it Revenge. William Holden, Ernest borgnine Wood, he Strode.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
That's pretty good to start there.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I went sorry covered nine in the shoe store about
twenty five years ago.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yeah, did you really?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah? He was with his wife.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I was at the mall and were in the
men choose and he walks in and I go, oh
my god, Ernest borgnine is walking towards me. Oh my god,
Ernest borgnine And he walks past. He walks up to
a to a per some work in the store, and
he goes, excuse me, can you tell me where the
women's shoe store is in this mall? And he was
his wife and they said, oh, well, we have women stuff,
(25:08):
but the women but it was like, you know, he
was in like Nike whatever it was. And he says,
oh yeah, yeah, I'm like, wow, Ernest Port and I
just just walk right by me.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Okay about that Oscar winner.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Ernest didn't think I'd have that story, did yous?
Speaker 7 (25:19):
There?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It is Alex Tyschert and the Shopshank Redeption.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 12 (25:30):
Really the only rim protection that they have. Jackson Hayes
is a shot blocker, but offensively doesn't give you anything.
He's not going to space the floor. Christian woods is.
I don't know if we'll see him again. I get
in one sense why they would want that, But talking
about getting a center as if that's the lynchpin to
(25:50):
them winning, like you're going to play that center a
lot of minutes. That's the part I don't get, because
then it means that Lebron James has to play a
position that he's at forty years old, simply not capable
of playing. Like, yeah, he was a point forward, he
was a small forward. He did all of that, and
you could still do that offensively, but defensively, now you're
(26:13):
asking him to guard threes. I that doesn't make any
sense to me. Even if he was willing to do
it and put in the energy athletically, he's not capable
of doing that at this point.
Speaker 13 (26:25):
And as far as the team's defense, Anthony Davis left
due to injury and then Philly scores almost fifty points
in the second quarter of this game tonight. Now LA
is continuing the Eastern road trip with essentially the game
in DC Thursday night. That's the equivalent of a free
space on your game.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Board, sir.
Speaker 13 (26:42):
And then the game will be at New York on
Saturday night. So two questions, Competitive without Davis at New
York and what about competitive to avoid playing this year?
Speaker 12 (26:53):
Overall, they have a chance just because the Western Conference
is so wobbly. If it continues to be as wobbly
as it's been, then I think they have a chance
to avoid the play in. But if Minnesota gets its
act together, then I don't see Houston falling. I don't
(27:17):
see Memphis falling. It gets real tight. They're they're competing
for one of those six spots with Dallas, which has
stayed in the mix without Luca.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I what's the clip issue with the Lakers exactly?
Speaker 12 (27:34):
And the Clippers are in that mix, I mean they
have I don't want to dismiss them having a shot
because to JJ Reddick's point, like when they when they're
playing their absolute best, Yes, they can play with anybody.
They can beat anybody. Their problem is is that you
can't do that consistently, and and no one expects them
to do it consistently, and so do I don't want
(27:55):
to dismiss their chance of making the sixth seed. But
that's what they're playing for. They're playing for the suc seed,
and they are going to need two or three teams
that I would say are better than they are overall.
To continue to underperform or have injuries, that is going to.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Leave that door open.
Speaker 12 (28:17):
But look, they're they're in that mix now and I
that's that's more than I would have expected. But I'm
not going to dismiss it. But it's it's Look, if
they don't make it, I would not be the least
surprised either.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And the insider Rick Bucker, our guest Jason Smith, Steve
Desager here at Fox Sports Radio. All right, now, before
we get to d Aaron Fox and Jimmy Butler, we
talked about this beginning of the show. Yes, these guys
are on the trading block and maybe maybe that he
can make it swing a deal. And you know, now,
maybe Daron Fox wants to go to the Spurs. But
I said earlier on the two guys who should be
on the trading block, I'm going to give you two
(28:53):
guys who should be for different reasons.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Yes, yes, Joel Embiid.
Speaker 12 (28:57):
Okay and Steph Curry okay.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Joel Embiid. Both sides need a first start.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Threw up.
Speaker 12 (29:02):
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit,
but go ahead, Well, both.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Sides need a fresh start in Philadelphia. I mean, you've
seen the best of Embiid for the next two postseasons.
I think he'll magically be healthy when he gets to
a new team. And clearly they need to start over.
And if Steph wants to win, he's got to think
about going someplace else because no one's coming to Golden
State that's going to restart this dynasty. Rick, Who's co
are they going to get? Who are they going to get,
(29:26):
Who's coming to help them win games?
Speaker 12 (29:28):
It's not you're you're looking through the wrong end of
the telescope there. And and I with Joel Embiid, and
this is actually good for you, and I that I
agree with half of your premise. Next that is that
is progress somebody right down the date in the time,
because this is this is a noteworthy, this is win.
(29:52):
Absolutely absolutely, I agree with you one thousand percent. With
Joel Embiid, I believe that he needs to be someplace
where he is a key contributor and not the guy
that carries the load. Like if you could make a
deal and find a way to get him to Phoenix,
(30:13):
for example, you know someplace that needs Sacramento, another place
that needs size and you have other talent there where
you're not asking him to be everything a little bit
like he is his role on the Olympic team this
past summer. Give him, give him that and then maybe
you're able to keep him healthy. But also you just
(30:35):
you don't have to count on him one thousand percent.
He can just he can give you a little bit.
I'm with you on that because the process and that
whole thing in Philadelphia that's over and Philadelphia is going
to be stuck unless they move on from them. And
based on the way his contract is structured, there's a
lot of clauses and provisions in there about health and
(30:56):
everything else. I really I think that's viable. Now let's
get to Steph Curry. One. Why are you hating on
Steph Curry not being able to live his life and
be the guy in the Bay Area. He has entrenched
himself in the community, His kids and his family have
(31:19):
a life here that they love. He has a life
here that he loves. I think there's a part of him,
the old school part of him, that would love to
begin and end his career in the same uniform that
that has value for him. But the other part is
is Steph Curry. You can just look at Damian Lillard
(31:40):
going to Milwaukee, that was supposed to be his opportunity
to go chase the rings that he's never had, but
certainly to upgrade his ability to chase championship. Any place
that Steph Curry would go where he would have a
chance to win another title, he would be the number
two guy. It wouldn't be his team anymore. And so
(32:01):
I think he recognizes that it's not just all about championships.
From my conversations with him, what he loves is the
challenge of how can I maximize the potential of this team?
Can I make us better than anybody expected us to be?
(32:23):
And he doesn't rule out like somehow, you know, playing
for another title. Doing it in twenty one twenty two
was somewhat miraculous, But I just he's not from the
school of if I'm not on a team.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
He's not in the.
Speaker 12 (32:39):
Lebron James category of if I'm not playing for a title,
then something's wrong and either you have to fit you know,
my GM has to fix it, or I have to
threaten to go someplace else. Seph is is content here
and he knows what he has and I just don't
see in any way that he wants to give that up,
(33:02):
and nor do I see the Golden State Warriors wanting
to give that up. There's something about Steph Curry that
goes above and beyond the player, and that is just
the person and the culture and the aura that he has.
And even though he's not playing for titles, I will
tell you when I go to when I go to
Chase Center, I still enjoy watching him play and trying
(33:26):
to do the best that he can with this team.
And I would much rather see that continue than to
see him someplace else where. Now he's trying to fit
in to someone else's scheme and someone else's uniform and
someone else's dynamic. I just I, for one, do not.
(33:47):
I have no interest in seeing that, and I don't
believe Steph Curry does either.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So he's done winning, yeah, because we would say that Lebron,
he's done winning.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Jason.
Speaker 12 (33:59):
Here here's the thing, here's the thing, Like so was
Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
We knew that he has done after.
Speaker 12 (34:09):
And you know what, and and and it and it
happens like this this idea that like I mean, Steph
had Steph and the Warriors had a longer run, an
unusually long run. Look at look at over the last
thirty years the teams. I mean, we can count on
one hand the teams that have had to have sustained
(34:33):
excellence at the level of the Warriors. You've got what
the Lakers in the three peat, right, You've got the Spurs,
and even Spurs didn't have you know, like extend back back,
but it was extended, right. But outside of that, I mean,
(34:56):
Boston doesn't fit in that category, not even the Miami Heat.
They went to four finals, they won two championships. That
that's still not five finals and four championships for the
for the Warriors, or do I have that wrong? Six
maybe six finals?
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Yeah, lost to Cleveland.
Speaker 12 (35:18):
Yeah, they lost to Cleveland, and they lost to Toronto
in the finals. And they still ended up with with
four rings one before KD, two with KD and then
the twenty one twenty two. So we have the numbers, right,
I mean.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Like.
Speaker 12 (35:35):
The idea that that's supposed to just continue on and
on and on, the league is built so that that
doesn't happen. I mean, honestly, it's it's it's not it
it's that the Warriors paid everybody who won them championships,
and and at some point you just you run out
of money, and you run out of asset, and you
(35:57):
run out of out of legs because of age and
wear and tear. And that's and that's where the Warriors are.
And honestly, I mean, Steph is doing amazing for a
guy thirty five thirty six, but he's not the same
guy either. And and so I don't even know if
you put him on another team where he had to
(36:17):
be the number one guy, Like what team is that?
That's the part, Jason, What team I gave you? You know,
we can talk about Joelle and being the teams that
he could go to, and it would make sense and
it would be interesting, Like give me a team where
he would go, and you'd go, Okay, these guys aren't
championship contenders. They're kind of on the cuss. But if
(36:39):
they had Steph Curry and you got to give up
something to get Steph, Like, who is that team? I
don't know who that team is?
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Do I just default and say the Knicks? Do I
just det.
Speaker 12 (36:52):
I just Devaulveda Nix, I'll just do the automatic go
to That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That is just defaults.
Speaker 13 (37:00):
I was thinking Portland n till he said on the
Cusp Okay, no, yeah, nobody, no last thing.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
I know, we've only all got admitted here.
Speaker 13 (37:08):
But we go from good guy, good attitude Curry to
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
He's he's such a pariah.
Speaker 13 (37:13):
And maybe with the contract also that I mean, how
does he get moved here in the next week?
Speaker 12 (37:19):
Yeah, well, honestly, I'm not convinced that he that he will,
simply because Miami would be better served to let him
walk as a free agent than to take on contracts
that are going to mess up them being able to
to build around Bam and Tyler Hero going going forward
(37:43):
a year from now, and that's that's really their their focus.
They're not going to take back bad contracts. And the
problem is is that Jimmy's worth you know, Jimmy's Jimmy's
making close to fifty million, So you got to give
up fifty million dollars worth of contracts if you're a
team of you know of any note that means two
(38:03):
good players. So I just I think it's gonna be
really difficult to move him. I think the way he's acting,
the way that he is, he knows is his last
shot at getting a payday. He knows that Miami is
not gonna He's trying to force them to trade him.
I'm gonna be such a pain in the ass that
you're just you're gonna take less to in order to
get me out of the building. But I really think
that they'll just continue to suspend him and and take
(38:25):
the Ben Simmons approach if it if it comes to that,
rather than making a bad deal.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
He's on Twitter at Rick Buker, that is at Rick Buker,
check out Beyond the Ball podcast and Rick obviously to
finish where he began. I think stuff with the Lakers
would be a pretty interesting team. That would be a
pretty fun team to watch. I think you'd be okay
with him trying to fit in with the nightly soap opera.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
That would be.
Speaker 12 (38:47):
One for two, Yo, one for two.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I'll take it. I'll take it. Thanks a bunch, Bundy.
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays ten pm Eastern, seven pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Well, it's time to count down to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Joining us now the hotline Nobody Better NFL on Fox
insider extraordinaire, longtime front of the Show, Jay Glazer.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Jay, what's happening, Bud?
Speaker 8 (39:17):
How are you doing, madam? I'm a little uh, I'm
doing okay. Man, I had a pretty crazy last couple
of days.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Okay, what what happened?
Speaker 8 (39:26):
So I'm going I'm at the NFC Championship gamp right,
I'm flying back. And when I'm flying back, Fox is like, oh,
when you land, you gotta go back to Philadelphia. You
gotta go to an aj Brown feature. So I said,
They're like, you should have stayed. I'm like, well, I
gotta go see my wife. Man, I love my wife.
(39:48):
I gotta go see you. You know when I don't
when I'm not around her, do you guys know She's
my answer depressant. I get a little this little bipolar crazy.
So I'm like, can little Sere's I go home? I
go see you. I go back. I take a red eye.
Here's my day, and take a red eye land. I
go in there, I get a workout with some of
the guys in the facility, the Eagles, then the team
(40:11):
chiropractor worked on me. Then I did a sauna with
Lane Johnson. We did a sauna workout and then uh
ME and during Malatta and Big Dom and Nick Sirianni,
we you know, kind of hung out a little bit.
Then I did the Super Bowl feature with a j
Then I went back in and then a rabbi actually
(40:34):
came over and me and Howie Rose and a rabbi
we all prayed together in the h in the team
ding room. I can't make it up. This is my winsday.
How he's been like doing it like each week, and
you can't mess with something that's that's working great, you know,
like you gotta keep doing it. And it's like a
rabbi was like helps been like by this, like father
(40:57):
in law, bedside has been great, and you can't. So
I'm do it. I'm in, you know. So Hey came
down Steel little prayer service, got back, kind of got
back on the plane and flew home, and then we
went home for about five hours and then went to
get an epidural this morning because I kind of ramping
(41:18):
up my training and I'm going back to Panama for
stem cells two weeks after uh eft the Super Bowl.
But I reharniated l one l two little little uh
epidural just kind of get me through, you know, New
Orleans and to Panama. So I get stem cells and
(41:38):
and I know I'm getting the stem cells so I
could heal myself, but I keep hurting myself because I'm
an idiot. Anyway, guys, that's my Wednesday. What did you
guys do?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
The only I've had cod so there, dude. The only
thing listening from from you is reading a book with A. J.
Speaker 7 (41:59):
Brown.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
That's the only I did A You.
Speaker 8 (42:01):
Bring the book? He said, No, I said, bro, By
the way, I wrote a book.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
I wish you read my book.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
But what I want here's the thing, Like, I love
AJ and I actually met AJ because of mental health.
I did like when he first got the team. Big
Dom Security said, hey man, I wanted to meet AJ Brown.
AJ goes through the same stuff that you struggle with
that Lane Johnson struggles with and many just connected us
the monk I got you and literally on the field
(42:33):
before the game the other day, he and I. I
go up, I see him. I said, hey man, I'm
proud of you. And A just got through some really
hard times. He's really really dark tised and he's been
open about it. I'm proud of you for it. And
I said, Bro, we've got to use our pain to
help others do theirs. And I'm proud of you for
this because a lot of people don't do that. They
(42:54):
hide it. Like being of service helps us through this
said literally, we're on the fifty nor line and I'm
grabbing E're like, Bro, I'm proud of you because you
bottle up for all these years and now you're opening
up your pain is going to help others to theirs.
I'm proud of you. And that's what we got to do,
and we help each other. I'm like, that's it's it's
a it's a pretty cool thing. It's a pretty cool connection.
(43:17):
But you can connect with dudes like this. We could
use our platforms to help others. And you know, for
years I was wondering, like why am I in this pain?
Why have I been cursed with depression and anxiety and
bipolar at ADHD, And then I realized, man, I would
It's not a curse. This It happens so I can
help others with their journey, is the way I've got
(43:38):
to look at it. You know, again, my pain is
there so I can help others to theirs, and I'm
just proud, like, heyj has been vocal about it. You know,
I go and talk to teams about it now. And
there's other guys. There's a lot of guys I talked
to on teams about this stuff that won't do what
AJ does. They're just not comfortable. They're not there yet.
That's fine, Like it's look, there's no there is no hey,
(44:03):
you should do this, you should do that. There's no you know,
actual guidebook of Hey, if you have a depression, you
have to do this. No, we have a different, different battle.
There's guys like I've gotten talking to teams. I'm looking
straight at guys who we talk constantly, and I think
they're gonna get up and tell the whole team. Yeah,
Jay and I talked about it. If they don't say anything,
and that great, no problem, right. And there's other guys like, hey, guys, yeah,
(44:26):
I started opening up, we started talking about it. It's
it's our own journey. Everybody's journeys. There is their journey.
All our problems weigh the same, you know. And the
biggest thing too, for like a lot of us, man,
I really thought, for me, I thought, if I got
rich and famous, I wouldn't be in pain anymore. And
(44:49):
it was a hard day when I realized, Damn, my
wallet is not an antidepressant.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Damn.
Speaker 8 (44:55):
I thought this should do the rainbows and unicorns. This sucks, Like,
while am I still freaking miserable? While I so tortured? Still,
why do I still feel like a piece of garbage?
Why do I still feel unworthy of being in love? Like? Wow?
And I was actually on when I had I had
this conversation with myself during an episode of Foxing Up
(45:16):
on Sunday. While I'm in the football field talking to America,
I'm having this conversation with myself.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (45:23):
Yeah, it was one of the most powerful things. And
I was like, and it was. It was it was hard.
But then I was like, now I really need other helps.
And that's when I really started to like go on
his journey and then start opening up and start talking.
And thank god I did, because there was a lot
of dark's a lot of darkness. And my whole thing
with AJ was like, ma'am, you went through a dark tunnel,
(45:50):
Like my whole thing unbreakable, all of us we go
through that dark tunnel. If you come through the other
side of that tunnel means it didn't break you. So
whatever didn't break you, it couldn't break you. Maye, She's
stronger forever. That's what being unbreakable is. I'm breakable is
not being rich and famous and strong and powerful, have
a title. It's your scars. It's all the things that
could have broken, shouldn't and didn't. As a result, you
(46:12):
came to the other side of the tunnel, strong of forever.
And I'm like, AJ, because you did not let that
tunnel cave in on you, and you get to walk
out the ultimate tunnel next Sunday. That's a pretty cool
moment for us.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Wow, Jake Laser, whether us here, Jason Smith, Mike Carmon
Live from the tirerac dot Com studios. I can't wait
to see that interview. Was that gonna run what the
morning of the Super Bowl? Is that what it's gonna run?
Speaker 8 (46:35):
Yeah, Super super Bowl pregame show. It's well, this is
all just conversations about the feature is going to be
something kind of like that, but it's but it's also
just just my thoughts I'm saying on AJ, he's just
he's a special dude. Like I think he's misunderstood It's
funny when when I'm in there also, I'm like, hey,
I'm doing this feature on AJ, so I'm talking like
(46:55):
I told you, I'm talking to everybody in the team.
I'm like, hey, to me stuff I should ask him, Well,
com me down. I don't know about him. Every single
dude I asked about AJA, give me something that I
don't know about.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
A joke.
Speaker 8 (47:07):
Everyone said, this dude loves football more than ever been
on our team. He's so misunderstood, like he just looked
datches football. It's just it's just think. He's just it's
his thing. He loves it, and it gets misconstrued. Whether
it's a frustration here or there, it's not. It's not
(47:28):
always not getting the ball. He's not. He just loves
football and he beats up on himself. It's in every
series saying we talked about he said every series, I'm like, man,
what did I not do there? What did I not
do here? Almost like I think I said in the interview.
Each series, it's like you're taking a stool in between
(47:48):
rounds of a fight and you're trying to like, Okay,
what did I do wrong in that round? What could
if I've done better? Why? I do better for this
next round. He goes, Yes, every series, I sit down.
He goes, that's why I read that book. I sit
down and I try and get myself. Man, what let's heal?
Let's do better? How do I do better in this
next series? He gets that deep and that's something he's misunderstood.
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People don't understand it. Like he six inches between your brain,
between your ears, most powerful weapon in the world. They
could take you down them worst rabbit hole ever, or
they could walk you through the most incredible tunnel like
on Sundays.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Tell me you kind of deal with him at the
end and if they win the game. He holds your
book up when he's on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Do that?
Speaker 8 (48:33):
I said, did you have that book? And I'm sitting
He he didn't bring the book with him. I said,
why did I not bring my book with me? What
kind of promoter of I? Damn? But I did ask.
I did ask him. I said, dude, I said hey,
And again we got linked up because I was talking
about because I've helped Lane Johnson a lot with his
(48:53):
mental health issues, a lean as me a lot with
my mental health issues. And actually guys like this is
like real talk, like I landed. I'm like out of
my mind. Guys. I'm like, I land in LA I
see my wife, I repack, I fly back. I'm on
two hours of sleep in two days. The roommates in
my head are killing me. And I get to work out.
(49:14):
I'm trying to do my thing. I'm trying to do
my breathwork of meditation. I get in the sauna with Lane,
and I just like, dude, I'm not in a good place.
Like think about that, like you could never we were
never done this years ago, but that was my thing.
Like as much as I've helped Lane, Lane has helped me.
Like I went in there, I'm like, dude, I'm not
dude right now. It's like hooked up. And so I'm
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sitting and saw with Lane's auf and talking mental health,
Like dude, I'm just I'm just out of my mind
right now. Like I'm just, you know, I'm not I
haven't had my rituals that I need to keep me
shane and keep me from beating up with myself and
keep me from going dark. And we literally talked it
out in twenty twenty five minutes in the sauna, and
you know, got a little laughs in which I need.
(49:56):
Also talked me through it a little bit and kind
of got me good for the interview. So because I
did that, I had that relationship with Lane and some
others on the team. It's been more of the Lane.
But again, Lane's talked about openly sall city people who haven't.
I'm not going to. So that's how A J and
I originally got linked up, and I did say to
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him and I wanted to read the book because my book,
I'm Breakable, it's it's it's it gives it words from
somebody like me. It's not I'm not a therapist. I'm
not a doctor, not a teacher. I'm not a priest
or clergy or rab right, I'm just a dude who's
clearly messed up. But it's good with his messed upness,
and I know how to talk about it. If you
(50:39):
give it words, then we know how to talk about
it with others. And you could sit there like, man,
you got two bad sobs. Me and Lane Johnson's sitting
in the sauna and I'm talking about struggling. He's talking
about struggling like obviously there's no shame in that, right,
No one's going to question his manhood. That was the
quest of my mando.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
It.
Speaker 8 (50:58):
You may say, why you guys sitting in this I
want to talk about this, but.
Speaker 7 (51:03):
Right process?
Speaker 8 (51:04):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's we're changing
the narratives. Like guys like AJ Brown, guys like Lane Johnson,
guys like me, we're changing the freaking narrative. Well because
we're not. We're not the we're not the Sporting cast anymore. Right,
We're We're It's everywhere. It's not just we're not just
(51:27):
in the shadows anymore. Everybody's going through something and we're
giving it words. So I'm proud of AJ for open up.
I'm proud of It's the biggest stage in the world.
Fox is super Bowl here and he he agreed. Yeah,
I'll talk about my mental stuff. I'm proud of.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I'm really proud Lane Johnson, A J.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Brown and and and you sum it up your big
week or just the last couple of days on Unbreakable,
a Mental wealth podcast, you had Dustin Rhodes on, you
had Wrestling Royalty Odd with you this week.
Speaker 8 (51:56):
Yeah, that's pretty cool man. Wow, you want to talk
you guys gotta go watch that thing, not see you
gotta listen to that's incredible because he talked about right.
He's like, hey, I thought the devil and I won,
And it was like whoa he he was so real
and wrong again. Yeah, Like obviously Dusty Rhodes, his dad
is incredible, Cody Roads Brothers star. He's a star. You know,
(52:17):
he was gold dust. He's a legend. He's a Hall
of Famer and he's unbelievable. But he was. What he's
doing now is just incredible. But the cool thing too,
I didn't know. He's like, hey, the WW is the one.
They have a great program for guys who are struggling.
They got me on a plane to react like they
have you call them, they catch you, they take care
(52:37):
of their people. I was like, wow, I love to
hear that. But he was just due. This is two dudes,
like I'm talking right now, Laye and AJ and I
were talking Sam with me and Dustin Man, we were
just talking up and we didn't know each other, but
we never met, but we knew each other if I could,
if that makes sense, we understood each other. This is
(52:58):
what I should say.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
You want more on this Jay's Twitter page at Jay
Glazer it's right up there.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
The link.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Unbreakable a mental wealth podcast, Dustin Rhodes talks about at
one point in his life he was taking up to
forty pills a day. Phenomenal stuff. There Again, the link
is right there at Jay Glaser on Twitter. Where you
get your podcast from. Unbreakable a mental health podcast. Well, Jay,
take a break, chill out, go to bed man, get
your some rerits now, my friend.
Speaker 7 (53:25):
Exale out of my mind right now.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Will be good. Keep fighting the good fight.
Speaker 8 (53:32):
Man.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 7 (53:33):
Have fun, safe travels, brother,
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Speaker 3 (00:55):
Well, we are here.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
In the words of Mike Harmon, I celebrate all two
hundred and seventy. We are down to one NFL game
left in the seas We're down to one game and
as expected beginning of the season, the Eagles and the
Jets and All Green Super Bowl amazing an amazing, amazing
run by the Jets, who did it without a head
coach until they officially named their head coach today.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Are you busting out a crystal ball for next year already?
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Is that the Uh?
Speaker 4 (01:22):
You're just trying to forget what transpired yesterday and the
two weeks of lead up to this game. Nope, We're
just moving on to the draft and whatever comes after
moving on.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Well, there's only two teams left, and twenty nine teams
are excited about other stuff time.
Speaker 6 (01:34):
It's like, okay, so we kind of have the yin
and yang. Everything is together.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, I mean those other thirty teams are onto other, better,
greener Pasturescinna get to fire some people, they get to
change out their rosters. There's gonna be a lot of
turnover and chaos.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now the biggest obviously, Look, we had a lot of
stuff today, and as we mentioned, the Dallas Cowboys had
their press conference today to introduce Brian Schottenheimer. The Jets
had their press conference today full of f bombs. The
Pittsburgh Steelers say, hey, we'd like either Russell Wilson or
Justin Fields back next year. But clearly everybody is still
(02:08):
buzzing over yesterday the AFCN NFC title games, and specifically
the role of the officials in the Kansas City Chiefs
win over the Bills that sent the Chiefs to the
super Bowl and Josh Allen home again going I.
Speaker 6 (02:20):
Just can't beat the Chiefs. I just can't be I
don't understand.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Let me just say this, because before we get to
something bigger than the officials for this game against Kansas City,
not that hey, here's another game where a huge call
goes against the other team and for the Chiefs, but
there's the Bills have bigger fish to fry and bigger
things to point the blame at than Josh Allen not
(02:44):
getting the first down on that big fourth and one
play late in the game. Because when you look at
the officiating for this game, the two big calls in
the first half, Okay, let's break it down. You add
the non jawing penalty to Travis Kelcey and the reaction
penalty from the Bills. Okay, yeah, Travis kelce probably should
have got a penalty, but it's after the touchdown, you know,
(03:05):
the impact of it, Okay, is a little bit muted.
You had the catch from Xavier Worthy that was not
a catch that in order it was not a catch
and interception and then a catch by the Bills. Yes,
big deal, however, but people are forgetting is that even
if that ball goes incomplete, it's still a first and
ten for the Chiefs on the twenty yard line of
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the Bills because of the penalty on Tamar Hamlin, which
and no one remembers. Oh yeah, by the way, the
Chiefs declined that penalty because it was called a catchdown
inside the ten. So really what that was is it's
eleven yards of field position on a first down player.
It would have been first down for the Chiefs the
twenty yard line. So not enough to get rid of
the optic clearly, but the impact on the game.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
Eh.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Now you want to talk about Josh Allen and the
fourth down play, Yeah, because what really gets me about
it is not that he was that it wasn't overruled
after Allen was because I said, there's no way they
can overrule this, right, It's really hard to see, but
the fact that the official on the on the chief
side of the field overruled the official on the Bill
side of the field had a better view of the
(04:08):
Josh Allen run where it looked like his body is
over the line. He's got the football up high on
his left shoulder, So if his body's over, his left
shoulder is over, that's a first down. And I'm like,
I can see that from the video here, and you're
still not. You still saw that that was not a
first down. But again the official on the bill side
saw it, said first down. Official the chief side comes
(04:28):
and says, oh, hey, yeah, no, that was short. And
again here's another questionable call that goes the chief's way
in a big game. I mean, you can't ignore it, right,
can't You can't ignore that. This continues to happen time
after time, where we see a penalty, we see something else.
It's well, that wasn't there. At least you didn't get
a big helmet to helmet hit. That wasn't a helmet
(04:48):
helmet hit yesterday, so at least we avoided that.
Speaker 7 (04:51):
Mike, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
I mean in the end, the worthy play, I've probably
watched it thirty times. I'm still trying to have someone
give me a definitive response.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Is here, does it move there?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
What's the you know, was it an interception that becomes
a catch tie goes to the runner?
Speaker 5 (05:06):
What are we talking about here.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
But to your point, yeah, you had a defensive penalty,
so it doesn't matter with the Allen play.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
It goes back to.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
What we've been arguing with for as long as you
and I have been doing the show, right, the fact
that we've got the eyeball test when there's how many
what do we got?
Speaker 7 (05:25):
Eight three?
Speaker 3 (05:27):
What do we got about?
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Three thousand pounds worth of men up in there fighting
and clawing, and you're trying to be able to see
definitively from the other side of that, you're claiming you're
able to see where the ball is, you know, the
posture of where Alan held it, where his body was
like that seemed pretty obvious. So yes, we'll renew the
(05:49):
call for chips, we'll renew the call for a new
way of doing first down markings, et cetera. But it
keeps coming back to the same thing. If the Chiefs
were boat racing people, none of this matters, right, I
remember refereeing, ayso you ever have to referee any Ayso.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
No, I was only a coach. I said you should referee.
I said, yep, No, this is my time that I'm donating.
I'm coaching. Someone else can refereence.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
So anybody out there that's gone through this process, you'll
you'll recognize it. Hey hey, hey, we need we need
enough points, so we need you to you know, can
you volunteer to referee?
Speaker 7 (06:22):
Now?
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I didn't want to do it. I'm Soccer is not
a game I played or grew up with or anything.
But for the purposes of getting my kid to her points, yeah,
I'll do it. Hey, guess what's remaining? A twelve under boys?
Speaker 3 (06:35):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
There's my first intro. Not five year old girls running in.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Good luck.
Speaker 6 (06:40):
Good luck with that.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
Like I made it very clear at the outset, I
go anything up in the head and neck, I'm calling it.
Speaker 7 (06:48):
Yeah on that, let's go.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Boys are ruthless.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
They are ruthless, and they get mad at me, and
the coach gets mad at me. It ends up being
like a nine to nothing game. So it doesn't matter.
Did I get it all right?
Speaker 8 (06:57):
No?
Speaker 4 (06:58):
Because you train on a grid or you're like a
sky judge, so all of a sudden, being on the
field and trying to pull with that doesn't work. But
in that game doesn't matter. It's a blowout. In a
Chiefs game, they're not running away and hiding, so every
one of those plays gets magnified.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Now, look now, obviously that's a thing, right, I can't
ignore it. Can't ignore this. I'm not saying it's not
a thing, because you can only have it happen so
many times before you.
Speaker 6 (07:23):
Go wow, continues to happen, continues to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
But here's what the Bills should be worried about more
and be more mad at than oh, hey, you've DoD
that call. Because that call. I can't quantify it because
I don't know what would have happened if Josh Allen
gets that first down. Maybe the Bills go in and
score a touchdown, maybe they don't. Maybe the Chiefs still
score a touchdown when they get the ball back, maybe
(07:46):
they don't. It's hard to quantify. You had thirteen minutes
left in the game, so it would have been a
different game. But I can't quantify that because it still
could have gone anybody's way. What I can quantify is
Sean McDermott completely blowing the game for the Bill with
this ridiculous two point conversion decisions. And I really I
have to open up, you know, the the training that
I have opened in the off season for coaches. They're
(08:09):
two minute time management, Like I'm charging like fifteen and
twenty grand, you know a session now per coach, because
they need to know how to call timeouts and manage
the clock inside of two minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Right, And it's great.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Right, everybody flies out to LA, we have a day
of golf. There's team bonding activities. We do real and
we do real live game situations on a field. It's
like Top Gun, except I'm teaching coaches how to use
timeouts and not in the final two minutes.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 7 (08:32):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
I gotta add to that. I gotta add when to
go for two? Like that's like a new thing that
if you want to stay for like a half day
on Sunday, Like if you want to fly out early, great,
if you want to stay for the extra half day
from extra five grand, we can go over when to
go for two points? Because Sean McDermott helped cost the
Bills the game with that ridiculous and it's not getting
(08:53):
paid enough attention to. They're down twenty one, and they're
down twenty one ten and they score ten touchdown to
make it twenty one to sixteen. Okay, you know what
kick the extra point, go to twenty one seventeen. There's
so much time left in the game, you have half
the game left. But no, they decide, let's go for two.
Why why are you going for two? The rest of
(09:14):
that game is not gonna be just a field goal, right,
I mean this is this is not in a monsoon
on a field in the rain and the snow. There's
gonna be more points, right, why are you doing this?
The Bills don't make it, so minus one for the Bills.
Then they score a touchdown to go ahead. What do
they have to do? Then, well, they got to go
for two there because they didn't go for it. Let
they didn't make it the last time. Now it's twenty
two to twenty one. They go for it again, they
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don't get it, so that's minus two for the Bills.
So it's twenty two to twenty one. When the Chiefs
score to take the lead, they go up twenty eight
twenty or twenty seven to twenty two. Of course they're
gonna go for two because they have to, right, they
have to because the Bill you know, this game is
only a six point game. So they go for two
and they make it. Whereas had the Bills just kicked
(09:58):
the extra points. At twenty twenty one. The Chiefs are
scoring a touchdown kicking the extra point to go of
twenty eight twenty four. So instead of chasing a twenty
eight to twenty four game, the Bills are chasing a
twenty nine to twenty two game. That's a minus three
I can put minus three points on on Sean McDermott
because of that, and what was the final score of
the game, thirty two to twenty nine, And because I
(10:20):
could do math, how many points is that three? So hey, yes,
that's what Bills fans should be met at. The ridiculous
decisions to go for two just make make no sense
because it's three point. It's a three point swing because
it should have been twenty one seventeen twenty four to
twenty one, twenty eight, twenty four, and then the end
of the game goes way differently. Okay, wait a minute,
(10:40):
twenty eight twenty four the Bills were chasing three more
points than they had to because of those dumb decisions.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
I don't get.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
I don't get why coaches think we have to do
this and go for two and enough two and even
because it threw the Chiefs into well, now we have
to go for two where they wouldn't have done it.
So that's really if you're mad, if you're a Bills fan,
and go, what are your coaching staff? And Sean McDermott decided, Hey,
we're gonna make things even more difficult, right, tough enough
to win on the road in Burrowhead, tough enough to
wait it, but no, no, no, we're gonna go do this,
(11:09):
and we're gonna go make it even tougher by going
for two and we don't have to. Oh and we
don't make it. No, by the way, maybe chef better
two point plays because they clearly don't have good two
point plays after they got snuffed out that as well,
so that I can quantify. So if you want to
be mad at stuff, you've been mad at the rest
as one hundred percent, we'll be mad at that call
and how it just keeps happening for the Chiefs. Yes,
but be more mad that your coach cost you with
(11:29):
those two point conversion decisions.
Speaker 7 (11:30):
Look at you.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
I love this.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
After eleven years, the confidence in math you were.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Not that much.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
I mean, well, the thing is, we're doing low numbers here,
you know, we're topping out of three. Still, you know,
I'm not you know, I'm not doing square root of
I'm not rain man here, Ray, what's the square root
of one hundred and thirty eight to four point seven points.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Zero one zero one, zero one one. Yeah, we're writing code.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
Eighty two eighty two, eighty two, two hundred and forty six.
There's four in the box there. Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 7 (11:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:59):
When they scored at the end of the first half
and go for two, my initial thought was right along
the lines of what you laid out of. You're not
shutting this team down altogether. Now they only scored what
eleven more points the rest of the game at that point,
but they think that you're shutting it down or that
(12:22):
you're not going to score again. I get it to
a degree, making it a field goal game. But go
in with the momentum, kick the pat and roll versus
all right, the last play.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Is a miss.
Speaker 4 (12:38):
All right, it's a no go, and now we're chasing
those points coming.
Speaker 5 (12:42):
Out of behalf.
Speaker 4 (12:43):
So all of the psychology of football coming into play here.
That and you always know you're climbing a mountain against
the Chiefs, and off on the side might be you know,
like you're on the Mata Horn, you know, and you've
got the you know, the abominable snowman looking right. You're
in the Himalayas and here it's the referees. So you're
(13:04):
climbing that mountain. Don't make it any tough for your
for yourself, then you have to.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
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Speaker 3 (13:19):
I wanna I want to clue you guys.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
And in the conversation I just had with Alex ty
Shirt before we started the show, Okay, we we have
to talk about this because this is this is like
a this is like a three person intervention.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
Now you, me and Frostburg.
Speaker 5 (13:32):
I don't know if I want to talk about this.
Speaker 3 (13:33):
So too late to two man, it's too late.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
Here's a pre show meeting.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
It's happening. It's happening, man, it's happening.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
So Tyjer says to me, you know, we always talk
about movies and different things, and I have recommendations for
him and he gives me recommendations and everything, and it
works out really well. Because I see stuff that I
would never watch. What's someone you tell me? What's the
one with the Paris catacombs?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
That was just crazy?
Speaker 7 (13:54):
Oh?
Speaker 5 (13:54):
As above, so below? Yeah, so good movie.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Was so ass above? So no, no, no, no, no,
that that's different. That's late at night on a different network.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
It's sood ave so below. Yes, right, that was a movie.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Yes, it's it's the Catacombs in Paris, and it's it's
a crazy movie. It's one of those where you laughing,
Oh my god, this movie is crazy. But Tys just me, Hey,
I got a question for you, I said, Okay, he goes.
I'm about twenty five minutes in. Uh, you know, And
and I want to know is Shawshank Redemption a good movie?
Because I tell you, I don't think he killed his wife.
(14:28):
I don't think that happened. How does that like, like, is.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It not to be a good movie?
Speaker 9 (14:34):
Please?
Speaker 3 (14:34):
All right?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Alex is thirty years old, and he said he's watching
Showshank Redemption for the first Yes, not not that, but
asking if it's a good movie, like like you've like
you've never thought you watch stuff like as above, so below,
You've never had one conversation about Shawshank Redemption.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
No with anybody, really, No.
Speaker 6 (14:54):
It's ever recommended it because it's never on television.
Speaker 5 (14:57):
I don't like that.
Speaker 7 (14:58):
It's it's never.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
On you never get to see it. They never put
it on you but like years, Yeah, but it's on
TV all the time.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
But I don't watch TV like that.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
Yes, yeah, how do you watch TV?
Speaker 5 (15:11):
It's like, oh, randomly pick a movie streaming?
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Uh huh, oh okay, you don't, so you don't watch
Joe Turn on television?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You never had any desire to watch Shaws four?
Speaker 10 (15:19):
Now, really, no one, Jason, this sounds crazy. No one
has ever said, hey, Alex, you should watch Shawshank Redemption.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
All right, Well, first of all, it's it's it's kind
of implied that everybody should watch it.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
There's that. Secondly, how did you wind up watching it? Then?
Speaker 5 (15:33):
Did you?
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Did they get recommended for you? Watch it? Oh? This Shawshanker,
this looks like it might be pretty good.
Speaker 7 (15:38):
Oh.
Speaker 10 (15:38):
Like I was on a Christopher Nolan spree because every
movie you said sucked is incredible, and so I found
not having any more movies to watch and I saw
Shawshank Redemption. I was like, yo, justin have you seen this,
and he looked at me and he's like, what are
you asking me? I was like, have you seen shaw
Shank Redemption? He's like, stop messing with me.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Okay.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
I never said I'm still waiting for Ashton Kutcher to
pop out of the bushes.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, at some point he's gonna come out and go, ah,
gotcha man and bring it back punked. I never said
all of Christopher Nolan's movies stink.
Speaker 5 (16:07):
Yes you did.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
The first half of a lot of his movies are
good and then they stink.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Mike, you were here for it.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Am I get it right?
Speaker 7 (16:14):
He trashed his entire career.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
The first half of his movies are generally very good,
and then the second half they stink.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
Because you don't understand very long.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
I understand they're too long, and they get into these
esoteric things like what what conversation of these characters even
having right now?
Speaker 3 (16:32):
What? What?
Speaker 1 (16:32):
What are they even talking about? It's not anything to
do with the movie. That's what Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 5 (16:37):
Does, Jason. It's time.
Speaker 10 (16:39):
You can do anything with time and traveling. That's why
it's so brilliant.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Oh you can really, Yes, you go back in time?
You can.
Speaker 5 (16:46):
I can't but he can.
Speaker 11 (16:48):
Oh, I thought you about making a movie. I can
do whatever the hell I want. Tell the story how
I do? I thought Tyser meant like in real life
he figured out how he might be able to do that.
He was just on a fast.
Speaker 7 (16:58):
I don't know what kind of worlds you are sure.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
I came back to enjoy you, guys.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I saw the future. Man, it's awesome.
Speaker 10 (17:06):
Jason, just because you like bun berger and lettuce does
not make it a good burger. Okay, let's sometimes you
need burgers with sauce and steads.
Speaker 6 (17:14):
No, what makes a good burger for Jason?
Speaker 5 (17:15):
His cheese.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, you gotta have cheese on it. I mean, why
am I having?
Speaker 8 (17:18):
It?
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Doesn't have anything?
Speaker 4 (17:19):
It could be moving as long as I was gonna say,
it could have any version of meat like product.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
As long as there's cheese.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
You got cheese on it doesn't matter. No, but let's
go back. Let's go back to this Shawshank Redemption thing.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
So, so, as someone who now I think this is fun,
because every single person listening has seen this movie, I
want to say, So, what do you think so far?
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Your twenty What are you up to in the movie?
Speaker 10 (17:40):
So I'm up to the part where Morgan Freeman basically
is introducing him to the life there and unfortunately the
sisters are making his life kind of bad.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
In the institution.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, boiler alert, they're not sisters. Yeah,
you're up to bogs? Yeah yeah, box part.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
Okay, but I'll say this dog had a good run.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Box. Wait, what spoiler?
Speaker 5 (18:01):
I like Boggs.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
What do you mean you like Boggs? What do you
You must have not gotten up to the party.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
He hasn't gotten the bogs.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
Yeah you might.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
What if I want to tell you he has and
he still likes him.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Then that would then doesn't come true and we have
a whole other problem.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
That's yeah, that's a whole thing, man.
Speaker 10 (18:18):
No, Jason, I just think off of the beginning scene
where it shows him on trial for the quote unquote
murder of his wife and her mistresses or whatever. I
don't think he did it. The reason why is watching
him in prison. He's just a very wholesome, good hearted
and an intellectual mind that would know what would happen
if he did it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
No, it does.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And when they introduced the one Armed man later on,
he's gonna be the one that gets killed as they're
gonna go after him. Watch Frederick Sykes is his name.
What we're making out be gorgeous, We're making it. Tommy
Lee Jones comes in, bust, Tim Robbins out of prison.
They go after the one Armed man. They catch him
in Chicago of all places. Right, it's insane. Oh my,
(18:58):
good smicker, you forgot tell him. You know, he's really excited.
He loves Blade, so he'll be very excited when Wesley
Snipe shows up.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, Wesley Snide plays a vampire.
He shows up. Yeah yeah, oh yeah, he's great, he's great.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Yeah, it's really it's real. It's really cool, man, tell you.
They jump time a lot. They go from the you know,
the the fifties, they jump ahead to like the year
twenty fifty. Oh I mean yeah, yeah, it's great.
Speaker 5 (19:21):
We had a theory. I thought the warden was a vampire.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Okay, okay, Bob Dunton, Yeah okay.
Speaker 10 (19:26):
Because he always talks about no Lord's name in vain,
like vampires don't like the lord maybe.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Sure, sure yeah, or you know, being religious either one
umber vampires. So let me ask you this now, let's
finish here. Uh, So how do you think this movie unfolds?
Just give me your guess what you think the plot
is the rest of the movie.
Speaker 10 (19:43):
I have a feeling it's just going to follow their
life in prison and show you exactly how he gets
through it, how he adapts to it.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
And I have a theory.
Speaker 10 (19:50):
I do believe somewhere along the way, I'm gonna find
out that he never did do it, but he feels
subconsciously because of what happened, he was a part of
it or something. He serves his time. We get to
see the end of his life and him and Red,
which is Morgan Freeman. I know that one. By the way,
it's pretty cool. I think there's going to be some
kind of plot twists where at the end he gets
found innocent, but it's already too late because he's.
Speaker 5 (20:11):
Been institutionalized for like forty years or something. That's my guest.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Okay, okay, very good, All right.
Speaker 9 (20:18):
If I were to tell you Brooks actually turns into
the hul cuts all out, that's impressive.
Speaker 7 (20:26):
It leans into his bird.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
We can make if we can make Harrison Ford the Hulk,
I mean, he's in his eighties, and you can make
Brooks into the Hulk.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
I think that can easily happen.
Speaker 10 (20:34):
But by the way, Jason, why we report cases so
bad back then? What do you mean why were they They
didn't even like really look into evidence. They just said, oh,
you were there, you were drinking, you had a gun,
you must have done it.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Yeah, no, you didn't need to back It was really easy.
It was really easy.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
It seemed pretty clean cut, right.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
I mean, some people would just walk in and the
judge would say, you look really guilty, man, you have
an RGS. Do that your honor resting guilty face, and
he would say fifteen years take away, And that's how
you're kidding me?
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Oh yeah. Sometimes do you even have lawyers? Back then?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
It was just people in the family that they thought
were smart that would just show up and try to
say things.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
Oh yeah, it's what lawyers do. When you go and
you're potentially going to be on a jury. They take
one look at you, maybe ask you one question, and
you're either in or out right there.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Yeah, I mean, look, law changed forever with a few
good men. Then we started getting into okay, there's got
to be research and performance in court and what you
know you can and can't do, and box to your clients,
so they don't tell you they weren't actually in the
barracks when when Kendrick came in to order the code red.
You know certain things like, oh, okay, now I know
how I need to act as a lawyer and law
(21:39):
since then, sin's the mid nineties all through the roof.
Speaker 3 (21:41):
Man, what a great profession.
Speaker 10 (21:42):
I will say this, Mikey is leaving a very important
detail out about that whole conversation I had with him.
Can I tell you, Mike, Yeah, please, okay, I asked him,
and I said, please, Jason, do not judge me. I said,
is Shaw Shank a good movie? And he starts laughing,
laughing in my face.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
He's like, what are you a good movie?
Speaker 7 (21:58):
Not figured that out?
Speaker 3 (22:00):
Shirt Together is one of the best films of the last.
Speaker 10 (22:03):
I don't know if I've ever seen it.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I don't know that because because you're watching so below
we're above in the middle or whatever, you're watching movies
like that, you gotta watch something like this.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
I'm just asking you next time, Mike, because he belittled me.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
This is on everyone's well because first I thought it
was a joke that you were asking joke Shanka good movies.
It's Shawshakh good, but I don't know. Hey, this is
godfather is that?
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Is it? Godfathers? It's come on, We've been around this
this life long enough to realize that people you meet
have very large blind spots movies, TV music for sure,
that you just you have no idea.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Tight shirt tip and he does anime. I'm sure you've
seen some kind of anime version of Shawshank Redemption before.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I'm sure that's happened.
Speaker 4 (22:54):
Well.
Speaker 10 (22:54):
I mean, there is one called Tokyo Revengers. It's kind
of a line with is bute.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Okay, revengers is that a word?
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Revenge?
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Andrews is a real word.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Yeah, as you make it up, just like like aren't
all words made up?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Like Kenny the fish called Wanda revenge revenge, revenge. Okay?
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Uh so hey, let's let let me know at as
you uh as you perceive, what you what you think
about the movie. I want I want to update every
twenty five minutes that you watch of the film. Okay, okay,
so the next one, when you get to be about
an hour in, let me let me know what you're
thinking of Okay.
Speaker 5 (23:28):
I do have a prediction.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
I don't think the sisters are a faith or a
what like a faith like religious?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
Oh okay, all right, okay, that's a that's a that's
a good prediction.
Speaker 5 (23:38):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
They might followed their own style things. REVENGERVENG twenty twenty three,
Japanese original anime television series.
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
It follows a samurai named Riiso Kumi Karima who crosses
paths with hit men known as Revengers after being betrayed
by his superiors.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
So good, I think that was made up.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
That's like a recently made up ward and it's like, hey,
new words of the dictionary in twenty twenty four include
selfie and you know stuff like that.
Speaker 5 (24:10):
Yeah, I think that that's me.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
The Revengers nineteen seventy two. After a rancher's family is
massacred by a gang of outlaws, he assembles a mean
team of convicts as his UH crew to pursue the killers.
That sounds like an AI plot. Hey, AI, make up
a plot of a movie for me. Here's a movie.
We'll call it Revenge. William Holden, Ernest borgnine Wood, he Strode.
Speaker 7 (24:38):
That's pretty good to start there.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I went sorry covered nine in the shoe store about
twenty five years ago.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Yeah, did you really?
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Yeah? He was with his wife.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I was at the mall and were in the
men choose and he walks in and I go, oh
my god, Ernest borgnine is walking towards me. Oh my god,
Ernest borgnine And he walks past. He walks up to
a to a per some work in the store, and
he goes, excuse me, can you tell me where the
women's shoe store is in this mall? And he was
his wife and they said, oh, well, we have women stuff,
(25:08):
but the women but it was like, you know, he
was in like Nike whatever it was. And he says,
oh yeah, yeah, I'm like, wow, Ernest Port and I
just just walk right by me.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
Okay about that Oscar winner.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Ernest didn't think I'd have that story, did yous?
Speaker 7 (25:19):
There?
Speaker 3 (25:19):
It is Alex Tyschert and the Shopshank Redeption.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 12 (25:30):
Really the only rim protection that they have. Jackson Hayes
is a shot blocker, but offensively doesn't give you anything.
He's not going to space the floor. Christian woods is.
I don't know if we'll see him again. I get
in one sense why they would want that, But talking
about getting a center as if that's the lynchpin to
(25:50):
them winning, like you're going to play that center a
lot of minutes. That's the part I don't get, because
then it means that Lebron James has to play a
position that he's at forty years old, simply not capable
of playing. Like, yeah, he was a point forward, he
was a small forward. He did all of that, and
you could still do that offensively, but defensively, now you're
(26:13):
asking him to guard threes. I that doesn't make any
sense to me. Even if he was willing to do
it and put in the energy athletically, he's not capable
of doing that at this point.
Speaker 13 (26:25):
And as far as the team's defense, Anthony Davis left
due to injury and then Philly scores almost fifty points
in the second quarter of this game tonight. Now LA
is continuing the Eastern road trip with essentially the game
in DC Thursday night. That's the equivalent of a free
space on your game.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Board, sir.
Speaker 13 (26:42):
And then the game will be at New York on
Saturday night. So two questions, Competitive without Davis at New
York and what about competitive to avoid playing this year?
Speaker 12 (26:53):
Overall, they have a chance just because the Western Conference
is so wobbly. If it continues to be as wobbly
as it's been, then I think they have a chance
to avoid the play in. But if Minnesota gets its
act together, then I don't see Houston falling. I don't
(27:17):
see Memphis falling. It gets real tight. They're they're competing
for one of those six spots with Dallas, which has
stayed in the mix without Luca.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
I what's the clip issue with the Lakers exactly?
Speaker 12 (27:34):
And the Clippers are in that mix, I mean they
have I don't want to dismiss them having a shot
because to JJ Reddick's point, like when they when they're
playing their absolute best, Yes, they can play with anybody.
They can beat anybody. Their problem is is that you
can't do that consistently, and and no one expects them
to do it consistently, and so do I don't want
(27:55):
to dismiss their chance of making the sixth seed. But
that's what they're playing for. They're playing for the suc seed,
and they are going to need two or three teams
that I would say are better than they are overall.
To continue to underperform or have injuries, that is going to.
Speaker 8 (28:16):
Leave that door open.
Speaker 12 (28:17):
But look, they're they're in that mix now and I
that's that's more than I would have expected. But I'm
not going to dismiss it. But it's it's Look, if
they don't make it, I would not be the least
surprised either.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
And the insider Rick Bucker, our guest Jason Smith, Steve
Desager here at Fox Sports Radio. All right, now, before
we get to d Aaron Fox and Jimmy Butler, we
talked about this beginning of the show. Yes, these guys
are on the trading block and maybe maybe that he
can make it swing a deal. And you know, now,
maybe Daron Fox wants to go to the Spurs. But
I said earlier on the two guys who should be
on the trading block, I'm going to give you two
(28:53):
guys who should be for different reasons.
Speaker 6 (28:55):
Yes, yes, Joel Embiid.
Speaker 12 (28:57):
Okay and Steph Curry okay.
Speaker 6 (29:00):
Joel Embiid. Both sides need a first start.
Speaker 8 (29:02):
Threw up.
Speaker 12 (29:02):
I just threw up in my mouth a little bit,
but go ahead, Well, both.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Sides need a fresh start in Philadelphia. I mean, you've
seen the best of Embiid for the next two postseasons.
I think he'll magically be healthy when he gets to
a new team. And clearly they need to start over.
And if Steph wants to win, he's got to think
about going someplace else because no one's coming to Golden
State that's going to restart this dynasty. Rick, Who's co
are they going to get? Who are they going to get,
(29:26):
Who's coming to help them win games?
Speaker 12 (29:28):
It's not you're you're looking through the wrong end of
the telescope there. And and I with Joel Embiid, and
this is actually good for you, and I that I
agree with half of your premise. Next that is that
is progress somebody right down the date in the time,
because this is this is a noteworthy, this is win.
(29:52):
Absolutely absolutely, I agree with you one thousand percent. With
Joel Embiid, I believe that he needs to be someplace
where he is a key contributor and not the guy
that carries the load. Like if you could make a
deal and find a way to get him to Phoenix,
(30:13):
for example, you know someplace that needs Sacramento, another place
that needs size and you have other talent there where
you're not asking him to be everything a little bit
like he is his role on the Olympic team this
past summer. Give him, give him that and then maybe
you're able to keep him healthy. But also you just
(30:35):
you don't have to count on him one thousand percent.
He can just he can give you a little bit.
I'm with you on that because the process and that
whole thing in Philadelphia that's over and Philadelphia is going
to be stuck unless they move on from them. And
based on the way his contract is structured, there's a
lot of clauses and provisions in there about health and
(30:56):
everything else. I really I think that's viable. Now let's
get to Steph Curry. One. Why are you hating on
Steph Curry not being able to live his life and
be the guy in the Bay Area. He has entrenched
himself in the community, His kids and his family have
(31:19):
a life here that they love. He has a life
here that he loves. I think there's a part of him,
the old school part of him, that would love to
begin and end his career in the same uniform that
that has value for him. But the other part is
is Steph Curry. You can just look at Damian Lillard
(31:40):
going to Milwaukee, that was supposed to be his opportunity
to go chase the rings that he's never had, but
certainly to upgrade his ability to chase championship. Any place
that Steph Curry would go where he would have a
chance to win another title, he would be the number
two guy. It wouldn't be his team anymore. And so
(32:01):
I think he recognizes that it's not just all about championships.
From my conversations with him, what he loves is the
challenge of how can I maximize the potential of this team?
Can I make us better than anybody expected us to be?
(32:23):
And he doesn't rule out like somehow, you know, playing
for another title. Doing it in twenty one twenty two
was somewhat miraculous, But I just he's not from the
school of if I'm not on a team.
Speaker 8 (32:38):
He's not in the.
Speaker 12 (32:39):
Lebron James category of if I'm not playing for a title,
then something's wrong and either you have to fit you know,
my GM has to fix it, or I have to
threaten to go someplace else. Seph is is content here
and he knows what he has and I just don't
see in any way that he wants to give that up,
(33:02):
and nor do I see the Golden State Warriors wanting
to give that up. There's something about Steph Curry that
goes above and beyond the player, and that is just
the person and the culture and the aura that he has.
And even though he's not playing for titles, I will
tell you when I go to when I go to
Chase Center, I still enjoy watching him play and trying
(33:26):
to do the best that he can with this team.
And I would much rather see that continue than to
see him someplace else where. Now he's trying to fit
in to someone else's scheme and someone else's uniform and
someone else's dynamic. I just I, for one, do not.
(33:47):
I have no interest in seeing that, and I don't
believe Steph Curry does either.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
So he's done winning, yeah, because we would say that Lebron,
he's done winning.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Jason.
Speaker 12 (33:59):
Here here's the thing, here's the thing, Like so was
Lebron James.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
We knew that he has done after.
Speaker 12 (34:09):
And you know what, and and and it and it
happens like this this idea that like I mean, Steph
had Steph and the Warriors had a longer run, an
unusually long run. Look at look at over the last
thirty years the teams. I mean, we can count on
one hand the teams that have had to have sustained
(34:33):
excellence at the level of the Warriors. You've got what
the Lakers in the three peat, right, You've got the Spurs,
and even Spurs didn't have you know, like extend back back,
but it was extended, right. But outside of that, I mean,
(34:56):
Boston doesn't fit in that category, not even the Miami Heat.
They went to four finals, they won two championships. That
that's still not five finals and four championships for the
for the Warriors, or do I have that wrong? Six
maybe six finals?
Speaker 6 (35:16):
Yeah, lost to Cleveland.
Speaker 12 (35:18):
Yeah, they lost to Cleveland, and they lost to Toronto
in the finals. And they still ended up with with
four rings one before KD, two with KD and then
the twenty one twenty two. So we have the numbers, right,
I mean.
Speaker 8 (35:33):
Like.
Speaker 12 (35:35):
The idea that that's supposed to just continue on and
on and on, the league is built so that that
doesn't happen. I mean, honestly, it's it's it's not it
it's that the Warriors paid everybody who won them championships,
and and at some point you just you run out
of money, and you run out of asset, and you
(35:57):
run out of out of legs because of age and
wear and tear. And that's and that's where the Warriors are.
And honestly, I mean, Steph is doing amazing for a
guy thirty five thirty six, but he's not the same
guy either. And and so I don't even know if
you put him on another team where he had to
(36:17):
be the number one guy, Like what team is that?
That's the part, Jason, What team I gave you? You know,
we can talk about Joelle and being the teams that
he could go to, and it would make sense and
it would be interesting, Like give me a team where
he would go, and you'd go, Okay, these guys aren't
championship contenders. They're kind of on the cuss. But if
(36:39):
they had Steph Curry and you got to give up
something to get Steph, Like, who is that team? I
don't know who that team is?
Speaker 6 (36:46):
Do I just default and say the Knicks? Do I
just det.
Speaker 12 (36:52):
I just Devaulveda Nix, I'll just do the automatic go
to That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
That is just defaults.
Speaker 13 (37:00):
I was thinking Portland n till he said on the
Cusp Okay, no, yeah, nobody, no last thing.
Speaker 6 (37:07):
I know, we've only all got admitted here.
Speaker 13 (37:08):
But we go from good guy, good attitude Curry to
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
He's he's such a pariah.
Speaker 13 (37:13):
And maybe with the contract also that I mean, how
does he get moved here in the next week?
Speaker 12 (37:19):
Yeah, well, honestly, I'm not convinced that he that he will,
simply because Miami would be better served to let him
walk as a free agent than to take on contracts
that are going to mess up them being able to
to build around Bam and Tyler Hero going going forward
(37:43):
a year from now, and that's that's really their their focus.
They're not going to take back bad contracts. And the
problem is is that Jimmy's worth you know, Jimmy's Jimmy's
making close to fifty million, So you got to give
up fifty million dollars worth of contracts if you're a
team of you know of any note that means two
(38:03):
good players. So I just I think it's gonna be
really difficult to move him. I think the way he's acting,
the way that he is, he knows is his last
shot at getting a payday. He knows that Miami is
not gonna He's trying to force them to trade him.
I'm gonna be such a pain in the ass that
you're just you're gonna take less to in order to
get me out of the building. But I really think
that they'll just continue to suspend him and and take
(38:25):
the Ben Simmons approach if it if it comes to that,
rather than making a bad deal.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
He's on Twitter at Rick Buker, that is at Rick Buker,
check out Beyond the Ball podcast and Rick obviously to
finish where he began. I think stuff with the Lakers
would be a pretty interesting team. That would be a
pretty fun team to watch. I think you'd be okay
with him trying to fit in with the nightly soap opera.
Speaker 6 (38:45):
That would be.
Speaker 12 (38:47):
One for two, Yo, one for two.
Speaker 6 (38:51):
I'll take it. I'll take it. Thanks a bunch, Bundy.
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 8 (38:54):
You got it.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
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Speaker 3 (39:06):
Well, it's time to count down to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Joining us now the hotline Nobody Better NFL on Fox
insider extraordinaire, longtime front of the Show, Jay Glazer.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
Jay, what's happening, Bud?
Speaker 8 (39:17):
How are you doing, madam? I'm a little uh, I'm
doing okay. Man, I had a pretty crazy last couple
of days.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
Okay, what what happened?
Speaker 8 (39:26):
So I'm going I'm at the NFC Championship gamp right,
I'm flying back. And when I'm flying back, Fox is like, oh,
when you land, you gotta go back to Philadelphia. You
gotta go to an aj Brown feature. So I said,
They're like, you should have stayed. I'm like, well, I
gotta go see my wife. Man, I love my wife.
(39:48):
I gotta go see you. You know when I don't
when I'm not around her, do you guys know She's
my answer depressant. I get a little this little bipolar crazy.
So I'm like, can little Sere's I go home? I
go see you. I go back. I take a red eye.
Here's my day, and take a red eye land. I
go in there, I get a workout with some of
the guys in the facility, the Eagles, then the team
(40:11):
chiropractor worked on me. Then I did a sauna with
Lane Johnson. We did a sauna workout and then uh
ME and during Malatta and Big Dom and Nick Sirianni,
we you know, kind of hung out a little bit.
Then I did the Super Bowl feature with a j
Then I went back in and then a rabbi actually
(40:34):
came over and me and Howie Rose and a rabbi
we all prayed together in the h in the team
ding room. I can't make it up. This is my winsday.
How he's been like doing it like each week, and
you can't mess with something that's that's working great, you know,
like you gotta keep doing it. And it's like a
rabbi was like helps been like by this, like father
(40:57):
in law, bedside has been great, and you can't. So
I'm do it. I'm in, you know. So Hey came
down Steel little prayer service, got back, kind of got
back on the plane and flew home, and then we
went home for about five hours and then went to
get an epidural this morning because I kind of ramping
(41:18):
up my training and I'm going back to Panama for
stem cells two weeks after uh eft the Super Bowl.
But I reharniated l one l two little little uh
epidural just kind of get me through, you know, New
Orleans and to Panama. So I get stem cells and
(41:38):
and I know I'm getting the stem cells so I
could heal myself, but I keep hurting myself because I'm
an idiot. Anyway, guys, that's my Wednesday. What did you
guys do?
Speaker 3 (41:50):
The only I've had cod so there, dude. The only
thing listening from from you is reading a book with A. J.
Speaker 7 (41:59):
Brown.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
That's the only I did A You.
Speaker 8 (42:01):
Bring the book? He said, No, I said, bro, By
the way, I wrote a book.
Speaker 7 (42:05):
I wish you read my book.
Speaker 8 (42:09):
But what I want here's the thing, Like, I love
AJ and I actually met AJ because of mental health.
I did like when he first got the team. Big
Dom Security said, hey man, I wanted to meet AJ Brown.
AJ goes through the same stuff that you struggle with
that Lane Johnson struggles with and many just connected us
the monk I got you and literally on the field
(42:33):
before the game the other day, he and I. I
go up, I see him. I said, hey man, I'm
proud of you. And A just got through some really
hard times. He's really really dark tised and he's been
open about it. I'm proud of you for it. And
I said, Bro, we've got to use our pain to
help others do theirs. And I'm proud of you for
this because a lot of people don't do that. They
(42:54):
hide it. Like being of service helps us through this
said literally, we're on the fifty nor line and I'm
grabbing E're like, Bro, I'm proud of you because you
bottle up for all these years and now you're opening
up your pain is going to help others to theirs.
I'm proud of you. And that's what we got to do,
and we help each other. I'm like, that's it's it's
a it's a pretty cool thing. It's a pretty cool connection.
(43:17):
But you can connect with dudes like this. We could
use our platforms to help others. And you know, for
years I was wondering, like why am I in this pain?
Why have I been cursed with depression and anxiety and
bipolar at ADHD, And then I realized, man, I would
It's not a curse. This It happens so I can
help others with their journey, is the way I've got
(43:38):
to look at it. You know, again, my pain is
there so I can help others to theirs, and I'm
just proud, like, heyj has been vocal about it. You know,
I go and talk to teams about it now. And
there's other guys. There's a lot of guys I talked
to on teams about this stuff that won't do what
AJ does. They're just not comfortable. They're not there yet.
That's fine, Like it's look, there's no there is no hey,
(44:03):
you should do this, you should do that. There's no you know,
actual guidebook of Hey, if you have a depression, you
have to do this. No, we have a different, different battle.
There's guys like I've gotten talking to teams. I'm looking
straight at guys who we talk constantly, and I think
they're gonna get up and tell the whole team. Yeah,
Jay and I talked about it. If they don't say anything,
and that great, no problem, right. And there's other guys like, hey, guys, yeah,
(44:26):
I started opening up, we started talking about it. It's
it's our own journey. Everybody's journeys. There is their journey.
All our problems weigh the same, you know. And the
biggest thing too, for like a lot of us, man,
I really thought, for me, I thought, if I got
rich and famous, I wouldn't be in pain anymore. And
(44:49):
it was a hard day when I realized, Damn, my
wallet is not an antidepressant.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Damn.
Speaker 8 (44:55):
I thought this should do the rainbows and unicorns. This sucks, Like,
while am I still freaking miserable? While I so tortured? Still,
why do I still feel like a piece of garbage?
Why do I still feel unworthy of being in love? Like? Wow?
And I was actually on when I had I had
this conversation with myself during an episode of Foxing Up
(45:16):
on Sunday. While I'm in the football field talking to America,
I'm having this conversation with myself.
Speaker 3 (45:22):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (45:23):
Yeah, it was one of the most powerful things. And
I was like, and it was. It was it was hard.
But then I was like, now I really need other helps.
And that's when I really started to like go on
his journey and then start opening up and start talking.
And thank god I did, because there was a lot
of dark's a lot of darkness. And my whole thing
with AJ was like, ma'am, you went through a dark tunnel,
(45:50):
Like my whole thing unbreakable, all of us we go
through that dark tunnel. If you come through the other
side of that tunnel means it didn't break you. So
whatever didn't break you, it couldn't break you. Maye, She's
stronger forever. That's what being unbreakable is. I'm breakable is
not being rich and famous and strong and powerful, have
a title. It's your scars. It's all the things that
could have broken, shouldn't and didn't. As a result, you
(46:12):
came to the other side of the tunnel, strong of forever.
And I'm like, AJ, because you did not let that
tunnel cave in on you, and you get to walk
out the ultimate tunnel next Sunday. That's a pretty cool
moment for us.
Speaker 1 (46:24):
Wow, Jake Laser, whether us here, Jason Smith, Mike Carmon
Live from the tirerac dot Com studios. I can't wait
to see that interview. Was that gonna run what the
morning of the Super Bowl? Is that what it's gonna run?
Speaker 8 (46:35):
Yeah, Super super Bowl pregame show. It's well, this is
all just conversations about the feature is going to be
something kind of like that, but it's but it's also
just just my thoughts I'm saying on AJ, he's just
he's a special dude. Like I think he's misunderstood It's
funny when when I'm in there also, I'm like, hey,
I'm doing this feature on AJ, so I'm talking like
(46:55):
I told you, I'm talking to everybody in the team.
I'm like, hey, to me stuff I should ask him, Well,
com me down. I don't know about him. Every single
dude I asked about AJA, give me something that I
don't know about.
Speaker 7 (47:07):
A joke.
Speaker 8 (47:07):
Everyone said, this dude loves football more than ever been
on our team. He's so misunderstood, like he just looked
datches football. It's just it's just think. He's just it's
his thing. He loves it, and it gets misconstrued. Whether
it's a frustration here or there, it's not. It's not
(47:28):
always not getting the ball. He's not. He just loves
football and he beats up on himself. It's in every
series saying we talked about he said every series, I'm like, man,
what did I not do there? What did I not
do here? Almost like I think I said in the interview.
Each series, it's like you're taking a stool in between
(47:48):
rounds of a fight and you're trying to like, Okay,
what did I do wrong in that round? What could
if I've done better? Why? I do better for this
next round. He goes, Yes, every series, I sit down.
He goes, that's why I read that book. I sit
down and I try and get myself. Man, what let's heal?
Let's do better? How do I do better in this
next series? He gets that deep and that's something he's misunderstood.
(48:11):
People don't understand it. Like he six inches between your brain,
between your ears, most powerful weapon in the world. They
could take you down them worst rabbit hole ever, or
they could walk you through the most incredible tunnel like
on Sundays.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
Tell me you kind of deal with him at the
end and if they win the game. He holds your
book up when he's on the sideline.
Speaker 3 (48:31):
Do that?
Speaker 8 (48:33):
I said, did you have that book? And I'm sitting
He he didn't bring the book with him. I said,
why did I not bring my book with me? What
kind of promoter of I? Damn? But I did ask.
I did ask him. I said, dude, I said hey,
And again we got linked up because I was talking
about because I've helped Lane Johnson a lot with his
(48:53):
mental health issues, a lean as me a lot with
my mental health issues. And actually guys like this is
like real talk, like I landed. I'm like out of
my mind. Guys. I'm like, I land in LA I
see my wife, I repack, I fly back. I'm on
two hours of sleep in two days. The roommates in
my head are killing me. And I get to work out.
(49:14):
I'm trying to do my thing. I'm trying to do
my breathwork of meditation. I get in the sauna with Lane,
and I just like, dude, I'm not in a good place.
Like think about that, like you could never we were
never done this years ago, but that was my thing.
Like as much as I've helped Lane, Lane has helped me.
Like I went in there, I'm like, dude, I'm not
dude right now. It's like hooked up. And so I'm
(49:36):
sitting and saw with Lane's auf and talking mental health,
Like dude, I'm just I'm just out of my mind
right now. Like I'm just, you know, I'm not I
haven't had my rituals that I need to keep me
shane and keep me from beating up with myself and
keep me from going dark. And we literally talked it
out in twenty twenty five minutes in the sauna, and
you know, got a little laughs in which I need.
(49:56):
Also talked me through it a little bit and kind
of got me good for the interview. So because I
did that, I had that relationship with Lane and some
others on the team. It's been more of the Lane.
But again, Lane's talked about openly sall city people who haven't.
I'm not going to. So that's how A J and
I originally got linked up, and I did say to
(50:18):
him and I wanted to read the book because my book,
I'm Breakable, it's it's it's it gives it words from
somebody like me. It's not I'm not a therapist. I'm
not a doctor, not a teacher. I'm not a priest
or clergy or rab right, I'm just a dude who's
clearly messed up. But it's good with his messed upness,
and I know how to talk about it. If you
(50:39):
give it words, then we know how to talk about
it with others. And you could sit there like, man,
you got two bad sobs. Me and Lane Johnson's sitting
in the sauna and I'm talking about struggling. He's talking
about struggling like obviously there's no shame in that, right,
No one's going to question his manhood. That was the
quest of my mando.
Speaker 5 (50:58):
It.
Speaker 8 (50:58):
You may say, why you guys sitting in this I
want to talk about this, but.
Speaker 7 (51:03):
Right process?
Speaker 8 (51:04):
Yeah, you know what I mean. Like it's we're changing
the narratives. Like guys like AJ Brown, guys like Lane Johnson,
guys like me, we're changing the freaking narrative. Well because
we're not. We're not the we're not the Sporting cast anymore. Right,
We're We're It's everywhere. It's not just we're not just
(51:27):
in the shadows anymore. Everybody's going through something and we're
giving it words. So I'm proud of AJ for open up.
I'm proud of It's the biggest stage in the world.
Fox is super Bowl here and he he agreed. Yeah,
I'll talk about my mental stuff. I'm proud of.
Speaker 3 (51:42):
I'm really proud Lane Johnson, A J.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Brown and and and you sum it up your big
week or just the last couple of days on Unbreakable,
a Mental wealth podcast, you had Dustin Rhodes on, you
had Wrestling Royalty Odd with you this week.
Speaker 8 (51:56):
Yeah, that's pretty cool man. Wow, you want to talk
you guys gotta go watch that thing, not see you
gotta listen to that's incredible because he talked about right.
He's like, hey, I thought the devil and I won,
And it was like whoa he he was so real
and wrong again. Yeah, Like obviously Dusty Rhodes, his dad
is incredible, Cody Roads Brothers star. He's a star. You know,
(52:17):
he was gold dust. He's a legend. He's a Hall
of Famer and he's unbelievable. But he was. What he's
doing now is just incredible. But the cool thing too,
I didn't know. He's like, hey, the WW is the one.
They have a great program for guys who are struggling.
They got me on a plane to react like they
have you call them, they catch you, they take care
(52:37):
of their people. I was like, wow, I love to
hear that. But he was just due. This is two dudes,
like I'm talking right now, Laye and AJ and I
were talking Sam with me and Dustin Man, we were
just talking up and we didn't know each other, but
we never met, but we knew each other if I could,
if that makes sense, we understood each other. This is
(52:58):
what I should say.
Speaker 1 (53:01):
You want more on this Jay's Twitter page at Jay
Glazer it's right up there.
Speaker 3 (53:05):
The link.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
Unbreakable a mental wealth podcast, Dustin Rhodes talks about at
one point in his life he was taking up to
forty pills a day. Phenomenal stuff. There Again, the link
is right there at Jay Glaser on Twitter. Where you
get your podcast from. Unbreakable a mental health podcast. Well, Jay,
take a break, chill out, go to bed man, get
your some rerits now, my friend.
Speaker 7 (53:25):
Exale out of my mind right now.
Speaker 3 (53:30):
Will be good. Keep fighting the good fight.
Speaker 8 (53:32):
Man.
Speaker 3 (53:32):
We'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 7 (53:33):
Have fun, safe travels, brother,
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