February 7, 2025 • 41 mins
Why wasn't Eli Manning elected to the Hall of Fame? Jason CAN’T believe Josh Allen beat out Lamar Jackson for the NFL MVP award. And LeBron James joins Michael Jordan as the ONLY players 40 years or older to record 40+ PTS in a game!
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:00):
Thanks for listening to The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harmon podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weeknight
ten pm to two am Eastern seven to eleven pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon at Foxsports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every night on the
iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Eleas give us you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hello, Welcome inside final hour tonight, the Jason Smith Show
with my base friend Mike Harmon, live from the Tirack
dot Com studios.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Tirack dot com. I'll help you get there.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
An unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road hazard protection,
and over ten thousand recommended installers. Tirack dot Com is
the way tire buying should be. Huge night tonight, NFL Honors,
we got the twenty twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Five class for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Bears
Hall of Famer, Let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We got the MVP vote that goes Josh Allen's way,
and I think that wasn't controversial. We got more on
that coming up in about twenty minutes. But the smallest
class in quite a long time for the Pro Football
Hall of Fame announced tonight. Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Mayors
Sterling Allen, and Keenan Allen just going in already, tell
(01:24):
Allan Sterling Sharp, Shannon Sharp, Iron, Mike Sharp.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Wow, are we gonna go? Taj Sharp?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm going Iron, Mike Shron, Mike Sharp. Moon. He's had
that bad forearm for two decades now.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Dude, I'm gonna be watching some prelim fights later on
the night.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And Antonio gates, Okay, no Eli Manning, who was not
selected for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And I disagree,
and I really disagree about Eli Manning not getting in.
First of all, I always go back to because this
(02:06):
is a great argument to try to parse things out,
because you get into different you get.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Down the rabbit hole on a lot of discussions.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And look, Jason Cole told us that the Pro Football
Hall of Fame voter joins us every week on the show.
He told us the biggest discussion that they had, the
biggest debate they had for the Hall of Fame was
Eli Manning And for this class for the Hall of Fame.
I know it's a bit of a it's a.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Bit of a default.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But when you say, can you tell the story of
the NFL with or without people, you can't tell the
story of the NFL. You cannot tell the story of
the NFL without Eli Manning and Antonio Gates. You can
tell the story of the NFL without these other players
that got in, you can. You can't tell the story
without Eli. You can't tell the story without Antonio Gates.
(02:57):
Gate should have got in last year. One of the
top three tight ends to ever play the game, right
that that's Antonio?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah? But legit though, I mean what what? What about him?
Is the thing that I can't tell the NFL without.
For for Antonio.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Gates, he's one of the three best to ever play
his position in the history of the game.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's a pretty big deal. But in terms of singular
moments and all those things, he had a lot of play.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
If you had a lot of big seasons, he didn't have.
He didn't have moments. But when you say, but i'm story, yeah,
you're telling me I could pick up a lot of
tight ends along end and whatever in the nearly one hundred,
the hundred years of the NFL, we're talking about one
of the three best to.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Ever play Antonio Gates. That's all I need.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I can tell the tale with that. Tell tell me
you play Mike Singletary made. Tell me a great play,
Mike Singletary make, I won a super Bowl? Okay, all right,
well yeah, but you can't tell me play?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
What what? What? What? What?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
What?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The thought he was overrated? Now tell me a great
play Reggie White has ever made? He had this speech
one time. I'm like viral. I mean you could.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
There's lots of guys you can say you can't tell
me about that play. You can't tell me about this play,
but had such an unbelievable career that they deserve to
go in him Tony Gonzalez, Right, I mean I would
put Gronk fourth, and Gronk is probably gonna get in
the Hall of Fame too, But.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
These are the Gronk behind him? Yeah, come behind really?
Yeah yeah, I'm not saying that just because he's from
like Gronks.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But I if I got to watch if, I mean,
how many times did I watch Antonio Gates out jump
out physical someone for a football? How many times did
I have to watch Gronkowski run across the field.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Hey, I'm open for some reason, No one's covering me
and come on, now, Brady throws it to him.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Come on, really, hey, hold that against him as opposed
to whatever they may have schemed up or however he
may have swum past whoever was supposed to be and
coveraging out ran He said, swum, I've never swum so
that that vaultsed for for Antonio Gates.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Now, can you really tell the story of the NFL
without Eli Manning? You can't.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Was his regular season above average? Yes, his regular seasons
were above average. He was a really good quarterback. He
did some things that he did one thing I think
better than anybody ever seen in the NFL and doesn't
get enough credit for it. And that's the way he
would get the Giants into the right formation at the
line of scrimmage. That would give one of his fifty
(05:34):
to fifty balls to a Keen Nicks or Victor Cruz
or Plaxico Burris a chance to be caught. Because that's that.
And you know, you don't see that a lot. But
when he would get up there and he would and
he would see and he would move guys around. Both
two of my uncles are the biggest Giants fans in
the world. I can't tell you how many times watching
games with them. Their thing was Eli, get the playoff,
(05:54):
Get the play They're watching the clock tick down towards
you get the playoff. But he's moving guys around and
then he throws a jump ball or a slant to
Knicks or a slant to Bursts, And meanwhile, why does
that get completed? You don't see before the play. Hey,
here's what Eli does. He moves Victor Cruz over, he
gets a running back in motion, he has this guy
come off the line of scrimmage, and hey, that leaves
(06:16):
Plexico Bursts open for this slant or for this jump ball.
And it's not something that Eli has a great physical
skill for, but hey, he threw it where his guy
could get it, and he put him in the best
dish to make a play. He doesn't get credit for that,
but that's something I can understand well.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
But it's always one of those fun pieces right where
he gets dinged for longevity when we celebrate longevity and durability, right,
especially at that position. How many years did we joke
on the show and fantasy stuff you were doing before
you and I started doing the show together, and fantasy breakdowns,
we would do, like, yeah, nine guys a year that
(06:53):
was on average what you would have and guys that
actually survived.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, a full six slate, but suddenly that was denigrated. Likewise,
he's cal Ripkin, but bets me for Gino set.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But but like, that's the greatest thing in the world, right,
what cal Ripken did or what Peyton would do until
he'd give up. Wait for Jim Sorgi who later Eli
did that in the end of season two.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
But the Jim Sorgie could write a book about the
man he knows where all the bodies are, the man
behind the mannings, that would be That would be Jim
Sorgie's book right there.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, am I a man or I am I just
a manning muppet?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But the the idea for Eli, he doesn't get credit
for the pre snap stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But we do that for Brady, Yeah, we do that.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
For h Sure people have been bowing to the altar
of Peyton forever, but they also have the numbers and
the overall career that you don't need to spend a
lot of time on that.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But for Eli, it's Yes, his regular.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Seasons were good, right, he had good regularly He was
a really good quarterback, but the playoffs, that's part of it.
And it's not just the Super Bowls that he beats
Brady twice defeats an undefeated New England team. He wins
the Super Bowls with last minute drives that resultant scores,
right the helmet catch, the plated David Tyree that he
(08:06):
doesn't get enough credit for for keeping that play alive,
the touchdown pass to Burris, the drive to beat the
Patriots with a field goal. A few years later, I
was standing ten feet behind him watch him throw that
past to Mario Manningham that got them from the shadow
of their goal line to midfield. That's when I knew
the Giants were gonna win the game. I said, there's
no way this is completed. How he gets that there,
I have no idea, So you have what he did
(08:29):
and I'm sorry, but that's a big deal. And wins, Yes,
they're a stat for a quarterback. Wins in Super Bowl
wins are a stat for quarterback because no one's gonna
remember what a guy's AAV was, you know what year
or whatever, but people are gonna remember what do you
do in the Super Bowl? Like, so sorry, yes, it's
a super Bowl. Winning a Super Bowl. That's up thing
for a quarterback. But in the playoffs, Eli's been terrific. Right,
(08:49):
His first playoff game was terrible. He threw three picks.
I remember that first play is going ELI can't looking
at me folds in the playoffs since that game, right,
here's his playoff numbers. He was eight three through for
three thousand yards, eighteen touchdowns. That's Eli's playoff record outside
of his first playoff game. Not that his first playoff
game doesn't count, but as it does, but eight but
(09:11):
after that, so eight and four, three thousand yards, eighteen touchdowns.
That's a really good record in the playoffs. It's better
than Peyton's record in the playoffs. It compares a lot
of other quarterbacks, Drew Brees's record in the playoffs, all
these other sure fire first ballot Hall of Fame guys.
ELI did his best work in the postseason and that
should be part of it because part of what it
(09:32):
is as a quarterback is you get your team there.
So I know that there's a lot of voters that
probably felt and what ad Jason Cole say had like
fifty percent of the voters little less and fifty percent
of the vote.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Just in terms of the people that he told I
would put it in that content. I would have to.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Think that the regulars not being greater in the regular
season was something they focused on. His greatness in the
postseason was something they probably didn't want to focus on
as much. Don't want to give him that credit. And
quite honestly, he had to overcome the first half of
his career with the image and images everything, perceptionist reality
(10:09):
that look at Eli, He's just morose. He's got a
bad attitude, his body language is terrible. You're just a boy, Eli,
Did you know Eli? Because that was Eli Manning. Look
at Eli he throws a pick. Look at the look
on his face. Look at him walk off the field,
hanging his head, doing the tongue click, being really mad.
He had to overcome that because that was that Eli
(10:29):
had a negative impression of him for a lot of people. Now,
the back half of his career, he wins it, two
super Bowls, becomes a great quarterback in the playoffs, all
this stuff happens. You got to overcome it. But that's
still there for people to hold against him. I just
look at Eli the whole, It's the whole body of
work and what he did in the playoffs is incredible.
And if he was just an a, if he was
just a Jag in the regular season, I would get it.
(10:50):
But he's still a much above average court. He averaged
twenty three touchdowns a year, right, twenty three and fifteen.
He was always at the twenty three and fourteen I
think was his touchdown and interception.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's a pretty good year.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Back when we didn't they didn't throw the football nearly
as much as they do now. But we also here
for a quarterman, and he had Tiki Barber for a
stretch of it. But you didn't utilize the running back
position the same way in the passing game.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Very few teams did that. You took shots downfield and said, well,
if it's a fifty to fifty ball, I'll take the
the interception, I've got a defense that'll make it hold
up if he does get picked off, right, Whereas now
it's all right either the quarterback trying to protect his QBR.
But we look at turnovers so much more aggressively these days, right,
(11:37):
I mean, what was a lot of the argument. We'll
get back into the MVP voting whatever, But Josh Allen,
the first thing for this year is like, boy, you
see how many fewer turnovers he had, how many fewer
interceptions that he had? That means he didn't take chances
for Caleb Williams one of my biggest criticisms this year
with the Bears offense. He did the dink and dunk
a lot of at or behind the line of scrimmage,
(11:58):
didn't want to take shots down field. Yeah, you can
do an interceptionless streak if that's the way you're playing.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's not the way the Giants.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Rivers or Brothlisberger like. It's just a different style and
a different way we're playing. We also have all these
super toe kickers, So yeah, possession and get it to
where it can be a fifty yard attempt is a
much different animal than it used to be.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Where it's all right. If it's not inside forty, we're
really in a bad spot.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right, So your possessions are called differently, And it's not
making excuses for him. In the end, he'll either get
in or he won't. It's not gonna make me any
more money.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But for the purposes of these arguments, when we talk
about greatness and what matters what, because he only made
the playoffs twice, we're gonna discount it. The fact that
he had fifteen touchdowns against two picks and one two
Super Bowl MVPs. Suddenly those don't count.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I mean, everybody wants to put Matthew Stafford in the
Hall of Fame after he won one. He's in the
Hall of Fame for money, man, he is.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
In business of the NFL Hell of Fame for money.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
He's a wizard. But but there's there's a lot of this.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So it's like, it's just we dismissed White because we
didn't like the Giants because we were forced to watch
a lot of you know, eight and eight Tom Coughlin
red face.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And here's Peyton, who is great, and now here's his
little brother who looks like his little brother because look
at how he behaves on the field. He behaves, he's petulant,
he's a look that. It was a bad image. It's
a lot of stuff that Eli had to overcome. Is
it one hundred percent fair? No, But that's the way
it goes, right when you're the quarterback, that's the way
it goes.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
You're in that media marketby backpage headlines, did we read
on air you you and your prior radio spots, and
certainly for me, plenty of Eli heism just to go
go around.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It's it's almost like the the argument was, I want
to find a way to keep him out.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Neither that not.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Should we vote for the does this guy a great place?
Should he get in the Hall of Fame? No, I
want to keep him out.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Now now they change the parameters. Jason Cole laid it out.
You can find that all in the podcast. Really great
explanation of how they changed the voting to where it
will streamline things and make it tougher, which is really
interesting because we were looking at the first ballot guys
for next year. He ain't getting in next year. You
got Breeze, you got Fitzgerald, you got Gore, you got
the holdovers from this class.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Exit out about a Fresca exit swollen Dome. The Jason
Smith Show with Mike Carmon Live from the Tirack dot
Com Studios. Well, if you think no Eli Manning was
a mistake, well would tell you what happened to the
MVP vote that went to Josh Allen over Lamar Jackson.
That's next right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio
If you're thinking of losing weight and have questions about
(14:42):
anything popular new weight loss drugs, you're not sure what
to do, give PhD weight Loss a call. It's entirely
virtual over the phone, designed to be convenient and flexible
to your schedule. Just call today you will get matched
with an expert nutritionist. Mike and I have been doing
PhD weight loss now for almost six weeks each loss
nearly twenty five pounds. It has been a terrific program.
(15:04):
Eighty percent of your food they send to you at
no extra cost. They show you how to eat out
when you want to go to a restaurant. To me,
that's an incredibly valuable thing because I love going out
to eat. I can eat, I can follow phdweight loss,
and I can get healthy for healthyweight, to lose weight.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And no side effects.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Call eight six four six four four nineteen hundred today.
That's eight sixty four six four four nineteen hundred. Or
visit my phdweightloss dot com. That's my phdweightloss dot com.
And when you call tell them Jason and Mike Sentsha
that's eight sixty four six four four nineteen hundred or
Myphdweightloss dot com my Phdweightloss dot Com.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The Jason Smith Show with Mo My best Friend Mike
Harmon upset Special Live from the ti rack dot com studios.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
And uh, we'll get to the NFL in a second.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
But you know, with the NBA trade deadline coming up today,
and it looked another big night for the Lakers. They
may just beat everybody by sixty the rest of the way.
I don't even have Luca yet. Today was kind of
a disappointing day and that we had all the big
deals that went down and we didn't get anything today.
(16:31):
Kevin Durant didn't get traded. We had, you know, a
couple of very minor deals.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
What do you want? Yeah, No, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We had we nothing, We had it. We had it
was great. We had Luca. I'm telling you. The last
trade that surprised me like this, The last story story
that surprised me like the Luca a D trade was
Andrew Luck retiring. That was I mean it was that
that That's what reminds me of that that's the last
time we had a story full of this much energy.
(16:57):
So today was really about the teams that didn't make
a move. Okay, now there's two teams that didn't make moves.
One absolutely had to make moves and they didn't. The
other one didn't make a move, and I love they
didn't make a move. Okay, who do you want to
do first? Oh, don't forget the third best story of
the day. What's the third bet story? Chet comes back tomorrow?
(17:19):
Chet is coming back. Yes, Chet is coming back. I
know you're very excited. Yeah, I think you're the only
one that's really excited about Chet coming back.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Because they're so great without him.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Right now you add Chet now with more Chet? Oh,
now with more Chet.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, maybe that's why.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Maybe that's why SGA says, Hey, I gotta get these
fifty point games in here now because Chet's coming back
and I want to win the MVP.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So all right, let's go.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
It's the argument you know you're kind of making for Lebron.
Look how great I am that other guy's gonna come
and he's gonna shoot the ball thirty times a game.
I kind of like Steph did on the other side.
He had thirty five shots tonight. That elbow was the
third deck.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, Gilgess, Alexander could stop playing now and he's the
NBA MVP. It's not even gonna be close. Okay, So
let's start with positivity. Positivity, the team that I love,
they didn't do anything, and I know that the fan
base is really upset about this. I am glad the
Nuggets did nothing. Okay, because yes, in theory, you look
(18:16):
at the Nuggets and say, we kind of have the
same kind of have the same core. The Western Conference
is getting better.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Uh, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Probably need to do something. No, No, you got everything
rolling now. The Nuggets are playing incredibly well. All right,
the Nuggets have They're rolling up points offensively, they're healthy,
they figured out what they're new pieces, they're gelling. They
didn't make the big trade with port because hey, we're
gonna trade Port. No, no, because he helps open up
(18:48):
the floor for Jokic and what he can do. They
now have fourteen games of one hundred and thirty or
more points, which is second in the NBA, and a
lot of these games have come in the last month
or so. This is a team that needed some time
to get going, and now they're gelling and look, they
are just blowing people out. They had a bad road
trip three games in the road trip when they lost
and lost to the knicksers a bit was a big
(19:09):
l But outside of that, this is a Nuggets team
that is absolutely rolling and they're scoring tons of points
and they're gonna be a really, really big problem. I
know you want to make a move, but you did
so much. You replaced a lot of parts here and
I know the Porter trader. Oh we're gonna make the
trader gonna make the trade. No, don't do it. Keep
them and look, things are going really well. I'm glad
(19:30):
they resisted the temptation to make a move because they
really didn't have to just keep it going.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
What's funny is the way this season is gone. In
terms of larger discussion points, you would never have them
as the number three seed in the West.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, it's just been very quiet.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, scoring a lot of points, but not drawing much
in the way of headlines. Like a little bit of
consternation the first couple of weeks because it was it
was clunky, all right, Porter Junior in company, like where
you're trying to figure out where you're at. But now
you're on the like another win tonight, and Jokic playing
with nobody watching right, which is just the way he
(20:08):
likes it. Just leave us alone and let us go
play with basketball.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
We haven't had a great quote from Michael Malone in
quite some time, because again, all the other oxygen is
being sucked up by the rest of the teams in
the Western Conference, So why why shuffle it up if
you don't need to.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
No, sometimes the hardest thing to do is to not
do something because all it's it's always rush. We got everybody.
Look at what everybody else is doing. Yeah, okay, everybody
else is not as good as you look. I think
if you're the Lakers, you would still say, well, I
kind of really like the Nuggets roster better than mines.
If you're many teams that kind of like the Nuggets roster.
You got Joki che Yes, he's twenty nine. You don't
want to waste any more of his prime. He's averaging
(20:46):
a triple double. The Nuggets are absolutely fine. Look and
see what they've been doing the last few weeks. They're
absolutely fine.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well, it always just comes back to it again, what
are you gonna have to give up? Right, it's it's
the what trades out with the chemistry and balance that
you've established again to play to the number three seed
as it stands, that suddenly for the second half of
the year, you're thinking, you're, well, the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Thing was are they going to trade him like a
border junior? And look how well he's been playing? Started
the course lesser, and then it started. You got sometimes
you just gotta let something big, You just gotta let
stuff bake, and then you see how good it is.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
And that's the case of the Nuggets. And it's an
NBA season, right. We just spent forty eight hours of
everybody doing cartwheels over a guy that the the Lakers
acquire who might be great.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
He may not play like he's He's like Joel Embiid
in terms of his availability rate through his career at
this point could be fantastic, and we celebrate it for
the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Just let it go.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
The veterans can get it done now. The team that
needed to make a move, yeah, and didn't. And it
makes me nervous.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, are the Knicks? Oh okay, good? Good? Acknowledging there's
a problem that's not a problem.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
They need to This is where you want to trouble
shoot a problem before it comes up, right.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
This is this is what you this is not The
Knicks have no problem.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yes they lost to the Lakers, but they had two
big wins right after you had two bad Look.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
This is the nixt You got a bug in your
code that eventually on a date is going to blow up.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Well, there's computer systems. But because there's a two road.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Right, there's two things. And they'll look at the buyout market,
I'm sure. But the Knicks need another guard to be
able to play some minutes. And they need another wing
because Ogano Nobi, as good as he is, as great
defender as he is, he's gonna be the guy they're
gonna you're gonna put on whoever you need to in
the playoffs. He's not been the most reliable when it
comes to being healthy.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And we saw it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I saw it last year like that was the real
That was the final domino and an Noobe got hurt.
That was when okay, that's it what we can't really
overcome anything else. So the Knicks and and you need
to take some kind of pressure off of your starters
they can't keep playing all of these minutes.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Adam Silver is not going to shorten this the games
to forty minutes for at least another year. So you
need to be playing less minutes. You can't play three
guys off your bench twelve minutes apiece. So the Knicks
absolutely needed to They didn't need to make big moves,
but they need to go get death. Need know the guard,
need the guy to play the wing, because that's what's
gonna help to take the pressure off the starters and
to have you take care of a couple of positions that, hey,
(23:20):
if something happens, we're not suddenly scrambling and they couldn't
do it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, it's the old Thibodeaux rules. Love what you do.
Love the tenacity with which guys play, not at thirty
eight to forty eight minutes a night, or forty minutes
a night, right at forty eight. The running joke, then,
is your best process is to have them go up
the corridor and see if they can't get an executive
order from President Trump to shorten games to forty minutes
(23:47):
effective immediately.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, we want a short Actually, let's shorten the games
to forty minutes. But Nick game, how about like thirty minutes? Right,
because we played I need to shave off another four
to eight minutes. You just passed to the while he
signing everything on on camera. It's a New York inflation,
rightck we know okay, right, you're right, Knicks games thirty minute, Okay,
I'll sign that right?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
What else? What else?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, I mean that's your best opportunity. But to your point, right,
the East the last few years it's been the joke
of all right, very top heavy. So if you can
survive a little bit with with Boston in particular, okay, cool,
But you now look at the depth and we'll see
what happens now and be gonna play some games for
(24:29):
the Sixers. Uh, they didn't trade Paul George's was speculated
that potentially.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
That would happen.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You got Maxi there, so if those three are on
the court, they're gonna win some games. Cleveland's been fantastic,
so you've got a little more depth and he you know,
still a few teams that are absolute bottom feeders. But
the depth in the Eastern Conference, you're not gonna get
run away and hide and be able to hide guys
and for games like you might have been able to
(24:55):
do in years past.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Ergo, Yeah, the the Thibodeau rules. Remember I told you,
I warned you.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I was the old man on the poor Yeah you
were that days you're Chicago, Yeah you're that guy. Then Minnesota,
uh huh, and now you were that guy, and to
this day you were that guy.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
So those guys are gonna break down at the finish lines,
like running the twenty six miles of a marathon and
not finishing the final.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Exit out about a Fresco exit swollen dome.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Jason Smith Mike Harmon Live from the TIREC dot Com studios.
We have the big controversy coming off the NFL MVP
vote coming up in ninety seconds. But first, she's been
called the Lamar Jackson of Fox Sports Radio. She has
two MVPs, probably should have won another one tonight, But
(25:41):
then again, she doesn't get to the big game in
the playoffs, So what can you really say?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It's Monty Bolano's.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Man catching strays over here, well, catchings over here, fearful.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm two feet from him, so's he's fearful that even
with my short reach I can box him here.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Eye first, the Clippers let me down.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Then I'm catching strays from you. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I don't know you said, yeah, that's a bit. I
didn't say fail. You said fail. No, I think you
said fail.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
No.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I don't think I said I didn't dance around it. No, no, no,
like you definitely implied it. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
She's been called the Josh Allen of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
She's the m v P.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
But maybe the voting could have gone a different way.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I'll let you guys talk about the m v P,
but I will tell the listeners that Eagles running back
sake One Barkley was the Offensive Player of the Year.
Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell was the coach of the Year.
Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow is the comeback player of the year.
I don't really understand that one, but it's a different conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Player of the year, Play of the year, What was
play of the year? Dare you her jerk?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Catching strays? Here's what I what I'm getting the vibe here.
Jayden Daniels was the Offensive Rookie of the Year. Rams
defensive end Jared Versus the defensive Rookie of the Year.
Broncos cornerback Patrick sir Tan the Defensive Player of the Year,
and Jaguars defensive end Eric Armstead is the twenty twenty
four Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year. The Pro
Football Hall of Fame class Jared Allen, Sterling Sharp, Eric Allen,
(27:21):
and Antonio Gates no Elimanning in his first year of
eligibility in the NBA. Lebron James joins Michael Jordan as
the only players in NBA history to score forty points
at the age of forty as the Lakers defeated the
Warriors won twenty to one twelve. He ended with forty
two points, seventeen rebounds and eight assists. Steph Curry had
thirty seven points. LA is ten and two in their
(27:42):
last twelve games. The Clippers are annoying. They lost to
the Pacers one seventeen to one twelve. Nikola Jokich had
another triple double as the Nuggets defeated the Magic one
twelve to ninety.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Anthony Edwards dropped forty one points. He had forty nine
points on Wednesday, and the Timberwolves top the Rockets won
twenty seven to one fourteen. Anelo Alvarez and j Paul
are finalizing a deal for a cruiserweight fight on May
third in Las Vegas, and Alex Lovechkin scored goal number
eight hundred and seventy nine as the Capital's edge the.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Flyers four to three on the ice.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
He's sixteen goals away from surpassing Wayne Gretzky for most
all time.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And gay back to you guys, Thank you very much.
Canelo Alvarez Senior, he's fighting right.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Probably, probably.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
You have a great night.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So Josh Allen wins the NFL MVP. Why is this weird?
Why is this controversial? He is the first player in
twenty one seasons to win the MVP without being selected
First Team All Pro. Josh Allen was not selected as
the best player at his position, yet he wins the MVP. Okay,
you might be saying, I can see that certain voters
(28:50):
like certain things. I can see that. Well, here's the thing.
The same people vote for All Pro that vote for MVP.
Same people. And if you remember, Lamar Jackson was selected
First Team All Pro thirty first places votes for him
to eighteen for Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Eighteen.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Okay, thirty to eighteen. Pretty dominant win by Lamar Jackson
and honestly, it should have been because Lamar Jackson was
a little bit better than Josh Allen everywhere this year.
But if you like Josh Allen, make a big argument
for it, I get it. I disagree with you. I
would have had Josh Allen third because I would have
had Barkley ahead of him as well. But if you
make that argument, okay, But here's the thing. When it
(29:34):
came to the MVP voting, Josh Allen had twenty seven
first places votes and Lamar Jackson had twenty three, meaning
voters changed their vote from All Pro to MVP. They
changed their vote from Lamar Jackson to Josh Allen, which,
come on, be consistent, do it right. There's no reason
(29:57):
you should change your vote from a player you have
at All Pro to MVP because if you think the
guy's best in his position, and you're talking about the
quarterbacks who went MVP, then that guy's your MVP. I'm
not saying it should have changed. If you voted for
Josh Allen for First Team All Pro, you should have
voted Josh Allen for MVP. If you voted Lamar Jackson
(30:17):
for First Team All Pro, should have voted Lamar Jackson
for MVP. But no people change a vote because why
because they A lot of voters just wanted to give
Josh Allen the MVP. You know, we talked about this
a lot, that the Lifetime Achievement Award, that when he
has the opportunity, when voters have the opportunity to reward
someone for the career they had, they do it at
(30:38):
the oscars all the time. They do it now, you
see in Major League Baseball for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
They do it now.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
For the NFL MVP because there are people who change
their vote. And I'm hopeful that we get every voter's
name made public because the Associated Press said that all
the AP voters, we're going to find out who made
those votes right now. The MVP votes are the ones
we have to find because then you can compare and say, Okay,
who didn't vote for him for MVP, that voted for
(31:05):
Lamar Jackson for All Pro And what kind of argument
can you really give?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I can ask for the specific criterion of which he
You know what I've got to do for each ward, right,
because I can parse it out in my head about stats, right,
Lamar greater stat wise, And then we start going back
into the what does value.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
You mean, Well, you're still voting for value. If you're
voting for First Team All Pro, you are voting for
the best player at their position. So Lamar Jackson was
the best player at his position. But yet when it
comes to m v P, Josh Allen is somehow now
he's better than Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
But it's not a stat thing. It's better Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Now we're talking about it, and from what he did
for his team as a whole.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure if you're the best, the best
guy is still the best.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I mean, suddenly, it's not.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
It's not if if one of those guys accomplished a
lot more with his team, I would say, okay, if
Lamar Jackson and the Ravens barely made the playoffs or
they didn't make that, they were like Joe Burrow. Joe
Burrow got really hot at the end of the year
and fell just short. And Josh Allen leads the Bills
of the division. I get it. Josh Allen led the
Bills of the division title. Lamar Jackson led the Bills
(32:17):
of the division title. When it comes to the numbers
they put up on the field and Lamar Jackson was
a little bit better than him everywhere.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
He had big games. Josh Allen had big games.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm not saying if you don't like Josh Allen, but
if you vote for one guy, how do you change
your vote and say, nah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Go vote for this one. I would vote for him.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I mean, you can't. You can't say I'm voting them
both first. So so you split your vote, so you
get Lamar on your on this ballot, and then I
take the other one. Maybe maybe it's the same day,
maybe I'm sitting at the desk the same time. But
and I say, you know what, I like him. I'm
gonna put him on over there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But I'll tell you this, I'll here's where. Here's where
I here's where I disagree with you. If stats are
the number one thing, then Lamar's the MVP. Okay, If
wins are the number one thing, then Mahomes is the MVP.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Right, So, I mean, and he's not even a finalist.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Well, but that's the thing, right, You push stats to
the side, you talk about value to your team, and
maybe Patrick Mahomes has now hit the Michael Jordan phase
of his career where.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It's yeah, you don't even get considered.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Just you're not gonna go to You're gonna win the
Super Bowl, so we don't even care. And but when
it comes down to the voting, it's the parsing out
through expectations versus what they got. Right coming into the year,
you would have looked at a lot of AFC East
excitement about the Dolphins, they sucked, excitement about your Jets.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
How many people had the Jets going to the supermah? Yeah,
so what would the Bills third?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
But the only team they were predicted to be better
than was the Patriots? Ye, and instead you end up
getting this run. He still accounts for forty touchdowns, yes,
two of them in high profile games at the end
of the year for Josh Allen. But all of that
to say he performed and puts up numbers in the expectation.
Are they the same numbers as Lamar. No, So he
gets your AP vote, which, again, everybody's gonna vote with
(34:11):
their different, different set of criterion. Right, even with the
stuff guys get for the Baseball Hall of Fame, Halls
of Fame votes and everything else, it goes back to
the same thing. As you sit down with your ballot
I don't know what you're doing right. Like when you
sit and vote for a Heisman same thing, you start
getting into regionality and what you watched versus what someone's
(34:33):
selling you.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You want I can't get back they wanted to give.
I want to give the MVP. I want to give
Alan the MVP because he doesn't have one and I
feel like he should.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Have, which is not how you vote for everyone.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Winning you. I'm just saying, do your job. If he
was a as a bear, absolutely take a job. Seriously,
do it right.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Dave, vote for one guy, should vote for the same
guy against the same thing. It's not that much criteria
separate award that much. It's two separate things. You're voting
for the thing you're voting for. Josh Garres Wilson should
still be the event you hate. Josh Allen gets over
it exit. Are you jealous that he's hanging out with
Hailey Steinfeld?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
No, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I've seen the Jets get beat by so many different
quarterbacks over my life. Why is one more special than
the other.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Their failure propelled Josh Allen to the MVP. Jets show
we propel a lot of people to the MVP.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
If that was the case, well this is the way
you did it though, because you had expectations and you failed.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Coming up next, what's the best trade of the trade
deadline that didn't involve Luca don Sis.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You're Anthony Davis. We'll tell you next, right, Jason and
Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Harmon. Let Express Employment Professionals help hire your
next pro. Forget about posting jobs, sifting through resumes, interviews
with unqualified apple move up to the pros. Go to
expresspros dot com to find a location near you. That's
Expresspros dot Com. Now it's time for the Express Pros Pro.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Of the Week.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And when you realize you only have two or three
games to still be the number one option on your team, well,
Lebron James, you get to be the Express Pros Pro
of the week.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Even more impress Okay, from the logo says the three
point King Steph Curry is in the house.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You off myself a thirty four footer from Lebron.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
TNT on the call.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Congratulations Lebron James, you are the Express pros Pro of
the week.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
What is he now?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
The youngest and oldest to score forty in a game?
Are they gonna say the youngest and oldest to be
the Express pros Pro?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
That's true too.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I think what seventy seven to seventy eight forty point
games in his career, all of those things and looking
nice and spry, showing out, and then Steph Curry did
his best to get back into that game after a
five to fourteen shooting performance in the first half.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, thirty five shots on the game, Jamie, Jimmy Bucket.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
His elbow started to blow up. Come on, Jimmy Buckets,
where are you man?
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Jimmy?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
He's my hero of the week. Jimmy, ask me, I,
dare you are the Lakers back? The Lakers back? Going
to ask me that? Of the Lakers? You said, ask
me at the Lakers. It's just just respectful to even ask.
Of course they're bad. What are they?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Nine and one in their last ten? They went from
how are they figuring things out?
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I don't know what the.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Future holds to now? They're NBA title contender just in
the span of five days they did it.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
They got of like UCLA Basketball, staying locally right. They
had their come to Jesus moment where Mick Cronin was
yelling at everybody, kind of like the.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Lakers were doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know what we're
doing here.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Some of the guys just need to give me a
better effort and they turn things around. Likewise, the Lakers
on a run.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So the end of the trade deadline came with a
bit of a whimper. We didn't get any really big
trade today. We thought Kevin Durant was gonna go. He
winds up staying congratulations.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I read you the great James Wiseman one. Yeah, yeah,
the James Wiseman trade now is just just for cash.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
He goes to Toronto by he and cash considerations and
then he got cut.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Do you think he actually brought the cash with him,
handed it over and then just got cut like as
soon as you walked off the plane. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
It seems like a customs problem. Then you'd have to
deal with Okay, well, yeah, why you got what you're
gonna play? Have a passport for the NBA be able
to get to Toronto. You show up in Toronto with
the cash. Thanks to take the cash and put here's
your coach flight back. We're gonna we're gonna go. We're
gonna get you some poutine. And then they get back
(38:48):
on the flanks. You got some poutine out of it.
There's some poutine and some syrup. You can say that
to me.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I will get you some poutine. Yeah, whatever you need,
I'll take poutine. So, outside of the Luca Aid trade,
which were still talking about a week later waiting for
the debuts of both of these players, the deal I
like the most at the NBA trade deadline because it
took them from a team that hey, they got a
really good future, and that amped it up and forwarded
(39:16):
that progression. The Spurs getting de Aaron Fox not having
to trade any of their young stars was such a coup.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Right. You can't ever tell me, oh, we can't make
a trade.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
They're able to get de Aaron Fox and not give
up Stefan Castle, and they have to give up anybody
that we thought, oh it's gonna have to be here. No,
they're able to keep everybody. I don't know how you
stop the two man game of Fox and Wemby. You
saw how electric they were in their first game with
each other. I'm telling you, by this time next year,
the Spurs are gonna be a top four team in
the NBA. And that's gonna be a crowded landscape when
(39:48):
you think about teams like Cleveland being this good in
Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Is this good?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
The new era of the Spurs is here, and Fox
and Wemby and the other supporting players, my goodness, of
Spurs are gonna are kicking everybody's ass.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yes see.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
My my favorite is still Jimmy Butler showing up in
Golden State and getting a two year, one hundred and
twenty million dollar extension because of everybody in our medium
and all across social media.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Pat Riley's never gonna be stood up. Uh pint now.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Also Dan Danny Ainge getting kind of screwed, and the
whole Luca thing was kind of funny too, his part
of it in Utah. But pat Riley, there's no way
anybody's gonna beat him out and stand up to him.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
And he'll put him in his plate. Yeah not so fast.
And and then he goes, well, I'm gonna get a
win somewhere. So yeah, if the Chiefs win, you can
use three pet so I can get a bunch of money.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Not only am I count telling to Jimmy Butler. He
got one hundred and twenty one nts right. Oh no,
Jimmy Butler, He's gonna show him.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
He's just shot.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
He's just in a flag going America, h usca USA.
Here's some big face coffee. Super Bowl previews show tomorrow
night for Mike Jason.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
This is Fox
Thanks for listening to The Jason Smith Show with Mike
Harmon podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weeknight
ten pm to two am Eastern seven to eleven pm
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for
The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon at Foxsports Radio
dot com, or stream us live every night on the
iHeartRadio app by searching FSR.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
Eleas give us you're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Hello, Welcome inside final hour tonight, the Jason Smith Show
with my base friend Mike Harmon, live from the Tirack
dot Com studios.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Tirack dot com. I'll help you get there.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
An unmatched selection, fast, free shipping, free road hazard protection,
and over ten thousand recommended installers. Tirack dot Com is
the way tire buying should be. Huge night tonight, NFL Honors,
we got the twenty twenty twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Five class for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, Bears
Hall of Famer, Let's go.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
We got the MVP vote that goes Josh Allen's way,
and I think that wasn't controversial. We got more on
that coming up in about twenty minutes. But the smallest
class in quite a long time for the Pro Football
Hall of Fame announced tonight. Eric Allen, Jared Allen, Mayors
Sterling Allen, and Keenan Allen just going in already, tell
(01:24):
Allan Sterling Sharp, Shannon Sharp, Iron, Mike Sharp.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Wow, are we gonna go? Taj Sharp?
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Now?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
I'm going Iron, Mike Shron, Mike Sharp. Moon. He's had
that bad forearm for two decades now.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Dude, I'm gonna be watching some prelim fights later on
the night.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
And Antonio gates, Okay, no Eli Manning, who was not
selected for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. And I disagree,
and I really disagree about Eli Manning not getting in.
First of all, I always go back to because this
(02:06):
is a great argument to try to parse things out,
because you get into different you get.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Down the rabbit hole on a lot of discussions.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
And look, Jason Cole told us that the Pro Football
Hall of Fame voter joins us every week on the show.
He told us the biggest discussion that they had, the
biggest debate they had for the Hall of Fame was
Eli Manning And for this class for the Hall of Fame.
I know it's a bit of a it's a.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
Bit of a default.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
But when you say, can you tell the story of
the NFL with or without people, you can't tell the
story of the NFL. You cannot tell the story of
the NFL without Eli Manning and Antonio Gates. You can
tell the story of the NFL without these other players
that got in, you can. You can't tell the story
without Eli. You can't tell the story without Antonio Gates.
(02:57):
Gate should have got in last year. One of the
top three tight ends to ever play the game, right
that that's Antonio?
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Yeah? But legit though, I mean what what? What about him?
Is the thing that I can't tell the NFL without.
For for Antonio.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Gates, he's one of the three best to ever play
his position in the history of the game.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
That's a pretty big deal. But in terms of singular
moments and all those things, he had a lot of play.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
If you had a lot of big seasons, he didn't have.
He didn't have moments. But when you say, but i'm story, yeah,
you're telling me I could pick up a lot of
tight ends along end and whatever in the nearly one hundred,
the hundred years of the NFL, we're talking about one
of the three best to.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Ever play Antonio Gates. That's all I need.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
I can tell the tale with that. Tell tell me
you play Mike Singletary made. Tell me a great play,
Mike Singletary make, I won a super Bowl? Okay, all right,
well yeah, but you can't tell me play?
Speaker 3 (03:54):
What what? What? What? What?
Speaker 1 (03:55):
What?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
The thought he was overrated? Now tell me a great
play Reggie White has ever made? He had this speech
one time. I'm like viral. I mean you could.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
There's lots of guys you can say you can't tell
me about that play. You can't tell me about this play,
but had such an unbelievable career that they deserve to
go in him Tony Gonzalez, Right, I mean I would
put Gronk fourth, and Gronk is probably gonna get in
the Hall of Fame too, But.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
These are the Gronk behind him? Yeah, come behind really?
Yeah yeah, I'm not saying that just because he's from
like Gronks.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
But I if I got to watch if, I mean,
how many times did I watch Antonio Gates out jump
out physical someone for a football? How many times did
I have to watch Gronkowski run across the field.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Hey, I'm open for some reason, No one's covering me
and come on, now, Brady throws it to him.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
Come on, really, hey, hold that against him as opposed
to whatever they may have schemed up or however he
may have swum past whoever was supposed to be and
coveraging out ran He said, swum, I've never swum so
that that vaultsed for for Antonio Gates.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Now, can you really tell the story of the NFL
without Eli Manning? You can't.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Was his regular season above average? Yes, his regular seasons
were above average. He was a really good quarterback. He
did some things that he did one thing I think
better than anybody ever seen in the NFL and doesn't
get enough credit for it. And that's the way he
would get the Giants into the right formation at the
line of scrimmage. That would give one of his fifty
(05:34):
to fifty balls to a Keen Nicks or Victor Cruz
or Plaxico Burris a chance to be caught. Because that's that.
And you know, you don't see that a lot. But
when he would get up there and he would and
he would see and he would move guys around. Both
two of my uncles are the biggest Giants fans in
the world. I can't tell you how many times watching
games with them. Their thing was Eli, get the playoff,
(05:54):
Get the play They're watching the clock tick down towards
you get the playoff. But he's moving guys around and
then he throws a jump ball or a slant to
Knicks or a slant to Bursts, And meanwhile, why does
that get completed? You don't see before the play. Hey,
here's what Eli does. He moves Victor Cruz over, he
gets a running back in motion, he has this guy
come off the line of scrimmage, and hey, that leaves
(06:16):
Plexico Bursts open for this slant or for this jump ball.
And it's not something that Eli has a great physical
skill for, but hey, he threw it where his guy
could get it, and he put him in the best
dish to make a play. He doesn't get credit for that,
but that's something I can understand well.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
But it's always one of those fun pieces right where
he gets dinged for longevity when we celebrate longevity and durability, right,
especially at that position. How many years did we joke
on the show and fantasy stuff you were doing before
you and I started doing the show together, and fantasy breakdowns,
we would do, like, yeah, nine guys a year that
(06:53):
was on average what you would have and guys that
actually survived.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, a full six slate, but suddenly that was denigrated. Likewise,
he's cal Ripkin, but bets me for Gino set.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
But but like, that's the greatest thing in the world, right,
what cal Ripken did or what Peyton would do until
he'd give up. Wait for Jim Sorgi who later Eli
did that in the end of season two.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
But the Jim Sorgie could write a book about the
man he knows where all the bodies are, the man
behind the mannings, that would be That would be Jim
Sorgie's book right there.
Speaker 3 (07:23):
Yeah, am I a man or I am I just
a manning muppet?
Speaker 4 (07:27):
But the the idea for Eli, he doesn't get credit
for the pre snap stuff.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But we do that for Brady, Yeah, we do that.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
For h Sure people have been bowing to the altar
of Peyton forever, but they also have the numbers and
the overall career that you don't need to spend a
lot of time on that.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
But for Eli, it's Yes, his regular.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Seasons were good, right, he had good regularly He was
a really good quarterback, but the playoffs, that's part of it.
And it's not just the Super Bowls that he beats
Brady twice defeats an undefeated New England team. He wins
the Super Bowls with last minute drives that resultant scores,
right the helmet catch, the plated David Tyree that he
(08:06):
doesn't get enough credit for for keeping that play alive,
the touchdown pass to Burris, the drive to beat the
Patriots with a field goal. A few years later, I
was standing ten feet behind him watch him throw that
past to Mario Manningham that got them from the shadow
of their goal line to midfield. That's when I knew
the Giants were gonna win the game. I said, there's
no way this is completed. How he gets that there,
I have no idea, So you have what he did
(08:29):
and I'm sorry, but that's a big deal. And wins, Yes,
they're a stat for a quarterback. Wins in Super Bowl
wins are a stat for quarterback because no one's gonna
remember what a guy's AAV was, you know what year
or whatever, but people are gonna remember what do you
do in the Super Bowl? Like, so sorry, yes, it's
a super Bowl. Winning a Super Bowl. That's up thing
for a quarterback. But in the playoffs, Eli's been terrific. Right,
(08:49):
His first playoff game was terrible. He threw three picks.
I remember that first play is going ELI can't looking
at me folds in the playoffs since that game, right,
here's his playoff numbers. He was eight three through for
three thousand yards, eighteen touchdowns. That's Eli's playoff record outside
of his first playoff game. Not that his first playoff
game doesn't count, but as it does, but eight but
(09:11):
after that, so eight and four, three thousand yards, eighteen touchdowns.
That's a really good record in the playoffs. It's better
than Peyton's record in the playoffs. It compares a lot
of other quarterbacks, Drew Brees's record in the playoffs, all
these other sure fire first ballot Hall of Fame guys.
ELI did his best work in the postseason and that
should be part of it because part of what it
(09:32):
is as a quarterback is you get your team there.
So I know that there's a lot of voters that
probably felt and what ad Jason Cole say had like
fifty percent of the voters little less and fifty percent
of the vote.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Just in terms of the people that he told I
would put it in that content. I would have to.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Think that the regulars not being greater in the regular
season was something they focused on. His greatness in the
postseason was something they probably didn't want to focus on
as much. Don't want to give him that credit. And
quite honestly, he had to overcome the first half of
his career with the image and images everything, perceptionist reality
(10:09):
that look at Eli, He's just morose. He's got a
bad attitude, his body language is terrible. You're just a boy, Eli,
Did you know Eli? Because that was Eli Manning. Look
at Eli he throws a pick. Look at the look
on his face. Look at him walk off the field,
hanging his head, doing the tongue click, being really mad.
He had to overcome that because that was that Eli
(10:29):
had a negative impression of him for a lot of people. Now,
the back half of his career, he wins it, two
super Bowls, becomes a great quarterback in the playoffs, all
this stuff happens. You got to overcome it. But that's
still there for people to hold against him. I just
look at Eli the whole, It's the whole body of
work and what he did in the playoffs is incredible.
And if he was just an a, if he was
just a Jag in the regular season, I would get it.
(10:50):
But he's still a much above average court. He averaged
twenty three touchdowns a year, right, twenty three and fifteen.
He was always at the twenty three and fourteen I
think was his touchdown and interception.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That's a pretty good year.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Back when we didn't they didn't throw the football nearly
as much as they do now. But we also here
for a quarterman, and he had Tiki Barber for a
stretch of it. But you didn't utilize the running back
position the same way in the passing game.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Very few teams did that. You took shots downfield and said, well,
if it's a fifty to fifty ball, I'll take the
the interception, I've got a defense that'll make it hold
up if he does get picked off, right, Whereas now
it's all right either the quarterback trying to protect his QBR.
But we look at turnovers so much more aggressively these days, right,
(11:37):
I mean, what was a lot of the argument. We'll
get back into the MVP voting whatever, But Josh Allen,
the first thing for this year is like, boy, you
see how many fewer turnovers he had, how many fewer
interceptions that he had? That means he didn't take chances
for Caleb Williams one of my biggest criticisms this year
with the Bears offense. He did the dink and dunk
a lot of at or behind the line of scrimmage,
(11:58):
didn't want to take shots down field. Yeah, you can
do an interceptionless streak if that's the way you're playing.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
That's not the way the Giants.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Rivers or Brothlisberger like. It's just a different style and
a different way we're playing. We also have all these
super toe kickers, So yeah, possession and get it to
where it can be a fifty yard attempt is a
much different animal than it used to be.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Where it's all right. If it's not inside forty, we're
really in a bad spot.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Right, So your possessions are called differently, And it's not
making excuses for him. In the end, he'll either get
in or he won't. It's not gonna make me any
more money.
Speaker 4 (12:37):
But for the purposes of these arguments, when we talk
about greatness and what matters what, because he only made
the playoffs twice, we're gonna discount it. The fact that
he had fifteen touchdowns against two picks and one two
Super Bowl MVPs. Suddenly those don't count.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I mean, everybody wants to put Matthew Stafford in the
Hall of Fame after he won one. He's in the
Hall of Fame for money, man, he is.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
In business of the NFL Hell of Fame for money.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
He's a wizard. But but there's there's a lot of this.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
So it's like, it's just we dismissed White because we
didn't like the Giants because we were forced to watch
a lot of you know, eight and eight Tom Coughlin
red face.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And here's Peyton, who is great, and now here's his
little brother who looks like his little brother because look
at how he behaves on the field. He behaves, he's petulant,
he's a look that. It was a bad image. It's
a lot of stuff that Eli had to overcome. Is
it one hundred percent fair? No, But that's the way
it goes, right when you're the quarterback, that's the way
it goes.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
You're in that media marketby backpage headlines, did we read
on air you you and your prior radio spots, and
certainly for me, plenty of Eli heism just to go
go around.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
It's it's almost like the the argument was, I want
to find a way to keep him out.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Neither that not.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Should we vote for the does this guy a great place?
Should he get in the Hall of Fame? No, I
want to keep him out.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Now now they change the parameters. Jason Cole laid it out.
You can find that all in the podcast. Really great
explanation of how they changed the voting to where it
will streamline things and make it tougher, which is really
interesting because we were looking at the first ballot guys
for next year. He ain't getting in next year. You
got Breeze, you got Fitzgerald, you got Gore, you got
the holdovers from this class.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Exit out about a Fresca exit swollen Dome. The Jason
Smith Show with Mike Carmon Live from the Tirack dot
Com Studios. Well, if you think no Eli Manning was
a mistake, well would tell you what happened to the
MVP vote that went to Josh Allen over Lamar Jackson.
That's next right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio
If you're thinking of losing weight and have questions about
(14:42):
anything popular new weight loss drugs, you're not sure what
to do, give PhD weight Loss a call. It's entirely
virtual over the phone, designed to be convenient and flexible
to your schedule. Just call today you will get matched
with an expert nutritionist. Mike and I have been doing
PhD weight loss now for almost six weeks each loss
nearly twenty five pounds. It has been a terrific program.
(15:04):
Eighty percent of your food they send to you at
no extra cost. They show you how to eat out
when you want to go to a restaurant. To me,
that's an incredibly valuable thing because I love going out
to eat. I can eat, I can follow phdweight loss,
and I can get healthy for healthyweight, to lose weight.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
And no side effects.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
Call eight six four six four four nineteen hundred today.
That's eight sixty four six four four nineteen hundred. Or
visit my phdweightloss dot com. That's my phdweightloss dot com.
And when you call tell them Jason and Mike Sentsha
that's eight sixty four six four four nineteen hundred or
Myphdweightloss dot com my Phdweightloss dot Com.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
The Jason Smith Show with Mo My best Friend Mike
Harmon upset Special Live from the ti rack dot com studios.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
And uh, we'll get to the NFL in a second.
Speaker 1 (16:11):
But you know, with the NBA trade deadline coming up today,
and it looked another big night for the Lakers. They
may just beat everybody by sixty the rest of the way.
I don't even have Luca yet. Today was kind of
a disappointing day and that we had all the big
deals that went down and we didn't get anything today.
(16:31):
Kevin Durant didn't get traded. We had, you know, a
couple of very minor deals.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
What do you want? Yeah, No, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
We had we nothing, We had it. We had it
was great. We had Luca. I'm telling you. The last
trade that surprised me like this, The last story story
that surprised me like the Luca a D trade was
Andrew Luck retiring. That was I mean it was that
that That's what reminds me of that that's the last
time we had a story full of this much energy.
(16:57):
So today was really about the teams that didn't make
a move. Okay, now there's two teams that didn't make moves.
One absolutely had to make moves and they didn't. The
other one didn't make a move, and I love they
didn't make a move. Okay, who do you want to
do first? Oh, don't forget the third best story of
the day. What's the third bet story? Chet comes back tomorrow?
(17:19):
Chet is coming back. Yes, Chet is coming back. I
know you're very excited. Yeah, I think you're the only
one that's really excited about Chet coming back.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Because they're so great without him.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Right now you add Chet now with more Chet? Oh,
now with more Chet.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, maybe that's why.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Maybe that's why SGA says, Hey, I gotta get these
fifty point games in here now because Chet's coming back
and I want to win the MVP.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
So all right, let's go.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
It's the argument you know you're kind of making for Lebron.
Look how great I am that other guy's gonna come
and he's gonna shoot the ball thirty times a game.
I kind of like Steph did on the other side.
He had thirty five shots tonight. That elbow was the
third deck.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Yeah, Gilgess, Alexander could stop playing now and he's the
NBA MVP. It's not even gonna be close. Okay, So
let's start with positivity. Positivity, the team that I love,
they didn't do anything, and I know that the fan
base is really upset about this. I am glad the
Nuggets did nothing. Okay, because yes, in theory, you look
(18:16):
at the Nuggets and say, we kind of have the
same kind of have the same core. The Western Conference
is getting better.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
Uh, yeah, we.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Probably need to do something. No, No, you got everything
rolling now. The Nuggets are playing incredibly well. All right,
the Nuggets have They're rolling up points offensively, they're healthy,
they figured out what they're new pieces, they're gelling. They
didn't make the big trade with port because hey, we're
gonna trade Port. No, no, because he helps open up
(18:48):
the floor for Jokic and what he can do. They
now have fourteen games of one hundred and thirty or
more points, which is second in the NBA, and a
lot of these games have come in the last month
or so. This is a team that needed some time
to get going, and now they're gelling and look, they
are just blowing people out. They had a bad road
trip three games in the road trip when they lost
and lost to the knicksers a bit was a big
(19:09):
l But outside of that, this is a Nuggets team
that is absolutely rolling and they're scoring tons of points
and they're gonna be a really, really big problem. I
know you want to make a move, but you did
so much. You replaced a lot of parts here and
I know the Porter trader. Oh we're gonna make the
trader gonna make the trade. No, don't do it. Keep
them and look, things are going really well. I'm glad
(19:30):
they resisted the temptation to make a move because they
really didn't have to just keep it going.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
What's funny is the way this season is gone. In
terms of larger discussion points, you would never have them
as the number three seed in the West.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Yeah, it's just been very quiet.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, scoring a lot of points, but not drawing much
in the way of headlines. Like a little bit of
consternation the first couple of weeks because it was it
was clunky, all right, Porter Junior in company, like where
you're trying to figure out where you're at. But now
you're on the like another win tonight, and Jokic playing
with nobody watching right, which is just the way he
(20:08):
likes it. Just leave us alone and let us go
play with basketball.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
We haven't had a great quote from Michael Malone in
quite some time, because again, all the other oxygen is
being sucked up by the rest of the teams in
the Western Conference, So why why shuffle it up if
you don't need to.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
No, sometimes the hardest thing to do is to not
do something because all it's it's always rush. We got everybody.
Look at what everybody else is doing. Yeah, okay, everybody
else is not as good as you look. I think
if you're the Lakers, you would still say, well, I
kind of really like the Nuggets roster better than mines.
If you're many teams that kind of like the Nuggets roster.
You got Joki che Yes, he's twenty nine. You don't
want to waste any more of his prime. He's averaging
(20:46):
a triple double. The Nuggets are absolutely fine. Look and
see what they've been doing the last few weeks. They're
absolutely fine.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
Well, it always just comes back to it again, what
are you gonna have to give up? Right, it's it's
the what trades out with the chemistry and balance that
you've established again to play to the number three seed
as it stands, that suddenly for the second half of
the year, you're thinking, you're, well, the whole.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Thing was are they going to trade him like a
border junior? And look how well he's been playing? Started
the course lesser, and then it started. You got sometimes
you just gotta let something big, You just gotta let
stuff bake, and then you see how good it is.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
And that's the case of the Nuggets. And it's an
NBA season, right. We just spent forty eight hours of
everybody doing cartwheels over a guy that the the Lakers
acquire who might be great.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
He may not play like he's He's like Joel Embiid
in terms of his availability rate through his career at
this point could be fantastic, and we celebrate it for
the Nuggets.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Just let it go.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
The veterans can get it done now. The team that
needed to make a move, yeah, and didn't. And it
makes me nervous.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
Yeah, are the Knicks? Oh okay, good? Good? Acknowledging there's
a problem that's not a problem.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
They need to This is where you want to trouble
shoot a problem before it comes up, right.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
This is this is what you this is not The
Knicks have no problem.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yes they lost to the Lakers, but they had two
big wins right after you had two bad Look.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
This is the nixt You got a bug in your
code that eventually on a date is going to blow up.
Speaker 3 (22:14):
Well, there's computer systems. But because there's a two road.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Right, there's two things. And they'll look at the buyout market,
I'm sure. But the Knicks need another guard to be
able to play some minutes. And they need another wing
because Ogano Nobi, as good as he is, as great
defender as he is, he's gonna be the guy they're
gonna you're gonna put on whoever you need to in
the playoffs. He's not been the most reliable when it
comes to being healthy.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And we saw it.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I saw it last year like that was the real
That was the final domino and an Noobe got hurt.
That was when okay, that's it what we can't really
overcome anything else. So the Knicks and and you need
to take some kind of pressure off of your starters
they can't keep playing all of these minutes.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
They can't.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Adam Silver is not going to shorten this the games
to forty minutes for at least another year. So you
need to be playing less minutes. You can't play three
guys off your bench twelve minutes apiece. So the Knicks
absolutely needed to They didn't need to make big moves,
but they need to go get death. Need know the guard,
need the guy to play the wing, because that's what's
gonna help to take the pressure off the starters and
to have you take care of a couple of positions that, hey,
(23:20):
if something happens, we're not suddenly scrambling and they couldn't
do it.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
Well, it's the old Thibodeaux rules. Love what you do.
Love the tenacity with which guys play, not at thirty
eight to forty eight minutes a night, or forty minutes
a night, right at forty eight. The running joke, then,
is your best process is to have them go up
the corridor and see if they can't get an executive
order from President Trump to shorten games to forty minutes
(23:47):
effective immediately.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Well, we want a short Actually, let's shorten the games
to forty minutes. But Nick game, how about like thirty minutes? Right,
because we played I need to shave off another four
to eight minutes. You just passed to the while he
signing everything on on camera. It's a New York inflation,
rightck we know okay, right, you're right, Knicks games thirty minute, Okay,
I'll sign that right?
Speaker 3 (24:07):
What else? What else?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Yeah, I mean that's your best opportunity. But to your point, right,
the East the last few years it's been the joke
of all right, very top heavy. So if you can
survive a little bit with with Boston in particular, okay, cool,
But you now look at the depth and we'll see
what happens now and be gonna play some games for
(24:29):
the Sixers. Uh, they didn't trade Paul George's was speculated
that potentially.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
That would happen.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You got Maxi there, so if those three are on
the court, they're gonna win some games. Cleveland's been fantastic,
so you've got a little more depth and he you know,
still a few teams that are absolute bottom feeders. But
the depth in the Eastern Conference, you're not gonna get
run away and hide and be able to hide guys
and for games like you might have been able to
(24:55):
do in years past.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Ergo, Yeah, the the Thibodeau rules. Remember I told you,
I warned you.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I was the old man on the poor Yeah you
were that days you're Chicago, Yeah you're that guy. Then Minnesota,
uh huh, and now you were that guy, and to
this day you were that guy.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
So those guys are gonna break down at the finish lines,
like running the twenty six miles of a marathon and
not finishing the final.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Exit out about a Fresco exit swollen dome.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Jason Smith Mike Harmon Live from the TIREC dot Com studios.
We have the big controversy coming off the NFL MVP
vote coming up in ninety seconds. But first, she's been
called the Lamar Jackson of Fox Sports Radio. She has
two MVPs, probably should have won another one tonight, But
(25:41):
then again, she doesn't get to the big game in
the playoffs, So what can you really say?
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It's Monty Bolano's.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
Man catching strays over here, well, catchings over here, fearful.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
I'm two feet from him, so's he's fearful that even
with my short reach I can box him here.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Eye first, the Clippers let me down.
Speaker 5 (26:02):
Then I'm catching strays from you. I don't even know.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
I don't know you said, yeah, that's a bit. I
didn't say fail. You said fail. No, I think you
said fail.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
No.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
I don't think I said I didn't dance around it. No, no, no,
like you definitely implied it. Right.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
She's been called the Josh Allen of Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
She's the m v P.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
But maybe the voting could have gone a different way.
Speaker 5 (26:32):
I'll let you guys talk about the m v P,
but I will tell the listeners that Eagles running back
sake One Barkley was the Offensive Player of the Year.
Vikings coach Kevin O'Connell was the coach of the Year.
Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow is the comeback player of the year.
I don't really understand that one, but it's a different conversation.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
Player of the year, Play of the year, What was
play of the year? Dare you her jerk?
Speaker 5 (26:57):
Catching strays? Here's what I what I'm getting the vibe here.
Jayden Daniels was the Offensive Rookie of the Year. Rams
defensive end Jared Versus the defensive Rookie of the Year.
Broncos cornerback Patrick sir Tan the Defensive Player of the Year,
and Jaguars defensive end Eric Armstead is the twenty twenty
four Walter Payton NFL Man of the Year. The Pro
Football Hall of Fame class Jared Allen, Sterling Sharp, Eric Allen,
(27:21):
and Antonio Gates no Elimanning in his first year of
eligibility in the NBA. Lebron James joins Michael Jordan as
the only players in NBA history to score forty points
at the age of forty as the Lakers defeated the
Warriors won twenty to one twelve. He ended with forty
two points, seventeen rebounds and eight assists. Steph Curry had
thirty seven points. LA is ten and two in their
(27:42):
last twelve games. The Clippers are annoying. They lost to
the Pacers one seventeen to one twelve. Nikola Jokich had
another triple double as the Nuggets defeated the Magic one
twelve to ninety.
Speaker 6 (27:52):
Anthony Edwards dropped forty one points. He had forty nine
points on Wednesday, and the Timberwolves top the Rockets won
twenty seven to one fourteen. Anelo Alvarez and j Paul
are finalizing a deal for a cruiserweight fight on May
third in Las Vegas, and Alex Lovechkin scored goal number
eight hundred and seventy nine as the Capital's edge the.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Flyers four to three on the ice.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
He's sixteen goals away from surpassing Wayne Gretzky for most
all time.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
And gay back to you guys, Thank you very much.
Canelo Alvarez Senior, he's fighting right.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Probably, probably.
Speaker 3 (28:25):
You have a great night.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
So Josh Allen wins the NFL MVP. Why is this weird?
Why is this controversial? He is the first player in
twenty one seasons to win the MVP without being selected
First Team All Pro. Josh Allen was not selected as
the best player at his position, yet he wins the MVP. Okay,
you might be saying, I can see that certain voters
(28:50):
like certain things. I can see that. Well, here's the thing.
The same people vote for All Pro that vote for MVP.
Same people. And if you remember, Lamar Jackson was selected
First Team All Pro thirty first places votes for him
to eighteen for Josh Allen.
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Eighteen.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
Okay, thirty to eighteen. Pretty dominant win by Lamar Jackson
and honestly, it should have been because Lamar Jackson was
a little bit better than Josh Allen everywhere this year.
But if you like Josh Allen, make a big argument
for it, I get it. I disagree with you. I
would have had Josh Allen third because I would have
had Barkley ahead of him as well. But if you
make that argument, okay, But here's the thing. When it
(29:34):
came to the MVP voting, Josh Allen had twenty seven
first places votes and Lamar Jackson had twenty three, meaning
voters changed their vote from All Pro to MVP. They
changed their vote from Lamar Jackson to Josh Allen, which,
come on, be consistent, do it right. There's no reason
(29:57):
you should change your vote from a player you have
at All Pro to MVP because if you think the
guy's best in his position, and you're talking about the
quarterbacks who went MVP, then that guy's your MVP. I'm
not saying it should have changed. If you voted for
Josh Allen for First Team All Pro, you should have
voted Josh Allen for MVP. If you voted Lamar Jackson
(30:17):
for First Team All Pro, should have voted Lamar Jackson
for MVP. But no people change a vote because why
because they A lot of voters just wanted to give
Josh Allen the MVP. You know, we talked about this
a lot, that the Lifetime Achievement Award, that when he
has the opportunity, when voters have the opportunity to reward
someone for the career they had, they do it at
(30:38):
the oscars all the time. They do it now, you
see in Major League Baseball for the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
They do it now.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
For the NFL MVP because there are people who change
their vote. And I'm hopeful that we get every voter's
name made public because the Associated Press said that all
the AP voters, we're going to find out who made
those votes right now. The MVP votes are the ones
we have to find because then you can compare and say, Okay,
who didn't vote for him for MVP, that voted for
(31:05):
Lamar Jackson for All Pro And what kind of argument
can you really give?
Speaker 4 (31:10):
I can ask for the specific criterion of which he
You know what I've got to do for each ward, right,
because I can parse it out in my head about stats, right,
Lamar greater stat wise, And then we start going back
into the what does value.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
You mean, Well, you're still voting for value. If you're
voting for First Team All Pro, you are voting for
the best player at their position. So Lamar Jackson was
the best player at his position. But yet when it
comes to m v P, Josh Allen is somehow now
he's better than Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
But it's not a stat thing. It's better Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 4 (31:46):
Now we're talking about it, and from what he did
for his team as a whole.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure if you're the best, the best
guy is still the best.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
I mean, suddenly, it's not.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
It's not if if one of those guys accomplished a
lot more with his team, I would say, okay, if
Lamar Jackson and the Ravens barely made the playoffs or
they didn't make that, they were like Joe Burrow. Joe
Burrow got really hot at the end of the year
and fell just short. And Josh Allen leads the Bills
of the division. I get it. Josh Allen led the
Bills of the division title. Lamar Jackson led the Bills
(32:17):
of the division title. When it comes to the numbers
they put up on the field and Lamar Jackson was
a little bit better than him everywhere.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
He had big games. Josh Allen had big games.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
I'm not saying if you don't like Josh Allen, but
if you vote for one guy, how do you change
your vote and say, nah, I'm.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Go vote for this one. I would vote for him.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
I mean, you can't. You can't say I'm voting them
both first. So so you split your vote, so you
get Lamar on your on this ballot, and then I
take the other one. Maybe maybe it's the same day,
maybe I'm sitting at the desk the same time. But
and I say, you know what, I like him. I'm
gonna put him on over there.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
But I'll tell you this, I'll here's where. Here's where
I here's where I disagree with you. If stats are
the number one thing, then Lamar's the MVP. Okay, If
wins are the number one thing, then Mahomes is the MVP.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Right, So, I mean, and he's not even a finalist.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Well, but that's the thing, right, You push stats to
the side, you talk about value to your team, and
maybe Patrick Mahomes has now hit the Michael Jordan phase
of his career where.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
It's yeah, you don't even get considered.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Just you're not gonna go to You're gonna win the
Super Bowl, so we don't even care. And but when
it comes down to the voting, it's the parsing out
through expectations versus what they got. Right coming into the year,
you would have looked at a lot of AFC East
excitement about the Dolphins, they sucked, excitement about your Jets.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
How many people had the Jets going to the supermah? Yeah,
so what would the Bills third?
Speaker 4 (33:46):
But the only team they were predicted to be better
than was the Patriots? Ye, and instead you end up
getting this run. He still accounts for forty touchdowns, yes,
two of them in high profile games at the end
of the year for Josh Allen. But all of that
to say he performed and puts up numbers in the expectation.
Are they the same numbers as Lamar. No, So he
gets your AP vote, which, again, everybody's gonna vote with
(34:11):
their different, different set of criterion. Right, even with the
stuff guys get for the Baseball Hall of Fame, Halls
of Fame votes and everything else, it goes back to
the same thing. As you sit down with your ballot
I don't know what you're doing right. Like when you
sit and vote for a Heisman same thing, you start
getting into regionality and what you watched versus what someone's
(34:33):
selling you.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
You want I can't get back they wanted to give.
I want to give the MVP. I want to give
Alan the MVP because he doesn't have one and I
feel like he should.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Have, which is not how you vote for everyone.
Speaker 6 (34:45):
I'm just.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
Winning you. I'm just saying, do your job. If he
was a as a bear, absolutely take a job. Seriously,
do it right.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
Dave, vote for one guy, should vote for the same
guy against the same thing. It's not that much criteria
separate award that much. It's two separate things. You're voting
for the thing you're voting for. Josh Garres Wilson should
still be the event you hate. Josh Allen gets over
it exit. Are you jealous that he's hanging out with
Hailey Steinfeld?
Speaker 3 (35:11):
No, I don't care.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
I've seen the Jets get beat by so many different
quarterbacks over my life. Why is one more special than
the other.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
I don't care.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Their failure propelled Josh Allen to the MVP. Jets show
we propel a lot of people to the MVP.
Speaker 4 (35:24):
If that was the case, well this is the way
you did it though, because you had expectations and you failed.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Coming up next, what's the best trade of the trade
deadline that didn't involve Luca don Sis.
Speaker 3 (35:34):
You're Anthony Davis. We'll tell you next, right, Jason and
Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (35:39):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with my best
friend Mike Harmon. Let Express Employment Professionals help hire your
next pro. Forget about posting jobs, sifting through resumes, interviews
with unqualified apple move up to the pros. Go to
expresspros dot com to find a location near you. That's
Expresspros dot Com. Now it's time for the Express Pros Pro.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Of the Week.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
And when you realize you only have two or three
games to still be the number one option on your team, well,
Lebron James, you get to be the Express Pros Pro
of the week.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Even more impress Okay, from the logo says the three
point King Steph Curry is in the house.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
You off myself a thirty four footer from Lebron.
Speaker 3 (36:38):
TNT on the call.
Speaker 1 (36:39):
Congratulations Lebron James, you are the Express pros Pro of
the week.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
What is he now?
Speaker 1 (36:44):
The youngest and oldest to score forty in a game?
Are they gonna say the youngest and oldest to be
the Express pros Pro?
Speaker 3 (36:50):
That's true too.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
I think what seventy seven to seventy eight forty point
games in his career, all of those things and looking
nice and spry, showing out, and then Steph Curry did
his best to get back into that game after a
five to fourteen shooting performance in the first half.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yeah, thirty five shots on the game, Jamie, Jimmy Bucket.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
His elbow started to blow up. Come on, Jimmy Buckets,
where are you man?
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Jimmy?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
He's my hero of the week. Jimmy, ask me, I,
dare you are the Lakers back? The Lakers back? Going
to ask me that? Of the Lakers? You said, ask
me at the Lakers. It's just just respectful to even ask.
Of course they're bad. What are they?
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Nine and one in their last ten? They went from
how are they figuring things out?
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I don't know what the.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
Future holds to now? They're NBA title contender just in
the span of five days they did it.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
They got of like UCLA Basketball, staying locally right. They
had their come to Jesus moment where Mick Cronin was
yelling at everybody, kind of like the.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
Lakers were doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we know what we're
doing here.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Some of the guys just need to give me a
better effort and they turn things around. Likewise, the Lakers
on a run.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
So the end of the trade deadline came with a
bit of a whimper. We didn't get any really big
trade today. We thought Kevin Durant was gonna go. He
winds up staying congratulations.
Speaker 3 (38:09):
I read you the great James Wiseman one. Yeah, yeah,
the James Wiseman trade now is just just for cash.
Speaker 2 (38:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
He goes to Toronto by he and cash considerations and
then he got cut.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
Do you think he actually brought the cash with him,
handed it over and then just got cut like as
soon as you walked off the plane. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
It seems like a customs problem. Then you'd have to
deal with Okay, well, yeah, why you got what you're
gonna play? Have a passport for the NBA be able
to get to Toronto. You show up in Toronto with
the cash. Thanks to take the cash and put here's
your coach flight back. We're gonna we're gonna go. We're
gonna get you some poutine. And then they get back
(38:48):
on the flanks. You got some poutine out of it.
There's some poutine and some syrup. You can say that
to me.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
I will get you some poutine. Yeah, whatever you need,
I'll take poutine. So, outside of the Luca Aid trade,
which were still talking about a week later waiting for
the debuts of both of these players, the deal I
like the most at the NBA trade deadline because it
took them from a team that hey, they got a
really good future, and that amped it up and forwarded
(39:16):
that progression. The Spurs getting de Aaron Fox not having
to trade any of their young stars was such a coup.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Right. You can't ever tell me, oh, we can't make
a trade.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
They're able to get de Aaron Fox and not give
up Stefan Castle, and they have to give up anybody
that we thought, oh it's gonna have to be here. No,
they're able to keep everybody. I don't know how you
stop the two man game of Fox and Wemby. You
saw how electric they were in their first game with
each other. I'm telling you, by this time next year,
the Spurs are gonna be a top four team in
the NBA. And that's gonna be a crowded landscape when
(39:48):
you think about teams like Cleveland being this good in
Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (39:51):
Is this good?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
The new era of the Spurs is here, and Fox
and Wemby and the other supporting players, my goodness, of
Spurs are gonna are kicking everybody's ass.
Speaker 3 (40:01):
Yes see.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
My my favorite is still Jimmy Butler showing up in
Golden State and getting a two year, one hundred and
twenty million dollar extension because of everybody in our medium
and all across social media.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Pat Riley's never gonna be stood up. Uh pint now.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Also Dan Danny Ainge getting kind of screwed, and the
whole Luca thing was kind of funny too, his part
of it in Utah. But pat Riley, there's no way
anybody's gonna beat him out and stand up to him.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
And he'll put him in his plate. Yeah not so fast.
And and then he goes, well, I'm gonna get a
win somewhere. So yeah, if the Chiefs win, you can
use three pet so I can get a bunch of money.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Not only am I count telling to Jimmy Butler. He
got one hundred and twenty one nts right. Oh no,
Jimmy Butler, He's gonna show him.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
He's just shot.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
He's just in a flag going America, h usca USA.
Here's some big face coffee. Super Bowl previews show tomorrow
night for Mike Jason.
Speaker 3 (41:00):
This is Fox
Hosts And Creators
Jason Smith
Mike Harmon
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Ding dong! Join your culture consultants, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, on an unforgettable journey into the beating heart of CULTURE. Alongside sizzling special guests, they GET INTO the hottest pop-culture moments of the day and the formative cultural experiences that turned them into Culturistas. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartRadio.