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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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his first game. Oh yeah, Ticky Butler, we've almost made
like all these trade were made. Hey, what don't we
go now? It's gonna be like five days. You're like
five days till all the guys play with their We
can't just trade these guys have them played the next day,
we got to draw this out for a few days.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
Yeah, but then you get the news off of Steve
de Sager's update of Hey, Lebron's now doubtful with an
ankle for Saturday.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
They move that game having an earth. Oh look at
what we've got.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
We got Lucas getting Luca's not gonna play Saturday, and
now Lebron's not gonna play Saturday. Good luck with that one.
It's almost like the Lakers decided to thumb their nose
at people.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Yeah where Lebron did?
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I don't know about that.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
I think Lebron just hey, you see the MVP level
I've been playing at. Yeah, yeah, I need a day.
Oh okay, yeah, because look if I play Saturday, when
I play Monday, I mean I'm gonna need to score
forty in Luca's first game. And if I play another
game Saturday, I might be a little too tired. I
may only score twenty five. So I gotta make sure
Luca's first game. I'm the high scorer for the team,
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so I need to rest on Saturday, so.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
I get to be the guy with the parent load
management blinking light when everybody else, oh the ankles really sore,
did not look sore when he was taunting Draymond Green
and jumping around and inciting the crowd after every big play.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Come on, man, it comes up after, don't you know?
It comes up after the game.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's the endorphin rush goes away.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, all of a sudden.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Then then you get the swelling and the like when
you get bitten by a shark. You don't feel it
right away, and then all of a sudden, it's abject
terror and you start screaming because you recognize how bad
it really hurts.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Okay, Jaws would have been a terrible movie if that
was the case. Oh, bet By, he seems okay. Oh
but later in the movie, Oh now I'm succumbing to
my No.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
I mean, it's a matter, it's a matter of seconds,
but it's still the principle of the thing. Like Lebron
looked like a spry twenty three year old spread. Wasn't
that what I was told? I mean, he's feeling great.
Father time had been defeated.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Whatever. Whatever.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
He was drinking, saying his prayers, eating his vitamins.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Everything was wonderful.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
The other day, You've got Draymond to get a technical Fallow.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
I mean all those things.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah, well, we're getting ad this weekend. We're getting Jimmy
Butler this weekend. So at least we have that, and
then we have our own super Bowl, which is Monday night.
Luka Doncic playing his first game with the Lakers. I mean,
I don't know how much super Bowl We're gonna talk
on Monday night. Luca's gonna be playing. I mean, it's
this took over the super Bowl week and the game
will have been over, Like, Okay, I guess, I guess
I have a little bit of Super Bowl. I don't know.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Well, I think he comes down to this. What's that
last four minutes of the Super Bowl look like? Is
it obligatory handoff run clock? We're out of here? Or
are we actually talking about a game that's contested in
the final minutes, because then it probably spills over a
bit into Monday one.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
You're gonna need You're gonna need Taylor Swift to come
out of the stands to throw a two point conversion
that is incomplete but overruled by the referees in after
or it's over to give the Chiefs the super Bowl,
and then we'll talk about it on Monday.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Look man, look, look, nobody wants to sell harder than
I do. Right, I have offered anytime there's a big
remote possibility, put the sandwich board on my wide ass back.
Speaker 3 (04:19):
Let me go sell our product.
Speaker 4 (04:20):
Put one of those video things where you can run
ads and interstitials of what you and I are doing,
clips of the show. I'm happy to do that, right,
calf workout.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Let's go do it.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
I'm as big a sell, sell sell guy as you
can get. I'm really having a hard time. And I
know Frostburg's not there tonight, but you and he going,
I don't know all Luca from a like, dude, it's
a it's a first regular season game.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
It's not the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
This might as well be a practice practice, practice practice.
It's a practice game, all right, So as well be
in again the pantheon of what we're trying to, you know,
to speculate. This duo of Lebron and Luca becomes, by
the way, just because we we have to mention it.
Anthony Davis had a proper press conference today, and it
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shows the absolute worst of people that Nico Harrison can't
even be there because of security threats. People really need
to re examine their lives and look into here because
this brought out the absolute worst in humanity once again.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
All right, so to focus because you know tomorrow old
Jeff Daniel's line from the newsroom. You know, on Friday nights,
we like to leave people with a little bit of hope.
On the show, we're going to give you our favorite
super Bowl prop bets and then our picks for super
Bowl Licks. I like that our picks for super Bowl licks?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Did the Stones sponsor?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
It?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
May? Maybe?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
So?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
All my so I told you my I gave you
my big If I'm going with a non favorite for
Super Bowl MVP, that's not Mahomes, Hurtz or Barkley, Dallas
Goddard or the Eagles. All my favorite prop bets involve
the Chiefs because the ones I like the most. I
like Travis Kelce over six and a half catches. He
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is fresh, rested, ready, it's the bleeping super Bowl man.
These are the games that Travis Kelce turns back into
Travis kelcey, for he will melt down if he doesn't
get the ball. We've seen that getting an Andy Reid's
face yelling at him. Playoff time is his time. The
Chiefs are gonna have no choice but to throw the
football against this Eagles defense. Six and a half catch
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for Travis Kelce. I love this.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Pick, kind of dig the cut of your Jim.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
I was looking at some of the other guys on
that squad and getting a little deeper in the weeds
as it were. How about the idea of Hollywood Brown
longest receptions seventeen and a half yards.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Wow, Okay, let's go.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Let's go deep a couple of times.
Speaker 5 (07:06):
Right.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
You gotta pay attention to Kelsey over the middle. You
got Kareem Hunt when he's in there with the package
is coming out of the backfield. Linebackers get sucked up
a little bit. Now we're talking one on one Mahomes
taking a shotdown field.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
Now that's Mahomes because that's the that's the other prop bets.
I like it, basically. I like everything Chiefs because I
I I they're going to turn the Chiefs into a
into a team that's gotta throw the football. And I
like all the overs for Mahomes, the over two hundred
and fifty one yards, the over thirty five attempts, the
over six and a half rushes. The Super Bowl is
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Patrick Mahomes game. This is not Hey, we're gonna we're
gonna run pa check go a little bit. You're gonna
see we're gonna be diverse out of the back of no. No,
it is Super Bowl time. It is Patrick Mahomes' time.
The Eagles are gonna force him to be able to
do that, and he is going to do everything he
can because they're gonna put the game on his shoulders
because it's the bleeping super He's the most clutch quarterback
in the NFL over two fifty one, over thirty five
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and a half attempts, over six and a half rushing
attempts for Mahomes book it. I like all of them
from Mahomes, the big sweep, give me the big sweep
for all of those.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Nicely done.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Trent McDuffie to intercept the pass plus six seventy five.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Yeah. You love the defensive, but you love the defensive.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Pays attention to them. So I will be that guy
to stand for them.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
That somebody will actually make a defensive play in one
of these games. All right, let's let's go to the
other one. We talked about Barkley a little bit. I
wanted to get your perspective on this Okay, plus one
fifty plus, he's three to one two hundred plus fourteen
to one seventy plus, he's minus four to seventy five.
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And they say that there's been just a ridiculous amount
of money on him to score a touchdown. That's at
minus one eighty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
M wow, that is you know. See, I like because
I like you getting because I always know you're gonna
go outside for the defensive guys. Or you know at
Hall of Fame prop bet or a national Anthem prop
bet or something or number number of number of times
that a former Bear player is shown in the stands,
or you know what.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
Well, I mean right now, I have a sheet. Most
of mine are I think virtually all of them are
legitimate football ones and not the half assed gatorade color
and those things.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
What will the color be? All right? So there's our
favorite prop bets. Now it's time for us to give
you our picks for Super Bowl licks. Now I kick
things off with the prop bets super Bowl licks. Mike,
who do you got? Who do you like? What's your
final score?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well?
Speaker 4 (09:46):
You know what, I did have Philadelphia against Buffalo as
my Super Bowl with Buffalo winning I'm gonna stay consistent
and I'm gonna stay out Buffalo. Buffalo can't consistent with
the c I know we all want to see a
Buffalo Lion Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Maybe it pre surets or game. Maybe we have one
of those third place games right before it where we
see the Bills and the Lives. I'd like to see that.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Nope, they simulate it. Here's Aiden Hutchinson playing a video
game and on the other side. All right, it's Goff
versus versus Allen on a video game, so we can
do that. Or maybe they play horse to take it
onto a basketball court and tie everything together. But I
got the Chiefs thirty one twenty eight, the final Harrison
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Butker in the waning moments after a big Mahomes strikedown
field in a two minute drill kind of situation.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
It's hard for me to not pick the Chiefs seeing
everything they do in the fourth quarter. Look, this is
the best fourth quarter team that I have ever seen
in the NFL. They're better than the Patriots were because
they're a complete fourth quarter team. The Patriots were a
great offensive team in the fourth quarter of games, but
they lost game defensively. Right, you can point to a
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lot of play wide. The defense let him down here,
let him down here, let him down here.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Some miracles that get Chiefs us.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
Yeah, the Chiefs win games defensively and the officials. They
win games defensively in the fourth quarter, not just offensively.
That being said, this Eagles team is the worst matchup
possible for Kansas City. They're too strong offensively. The Eagles are.
They are peaking their offensive line. The offensive line defensive
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line matchup is going to be it for me in
this game. And I didn't think that that Philadelphia, if
they had to, would be able to throw the football. Well,
but as we've seen, if you make them throw the football,
they can do it. And it's just it's Saquon Barkley's year.
This has been a playoff where the offensive line, Hey,
you want to vote for a real NFL MVP, maybe
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Barkley's offensive line should get all the votes because I mean,
the holes they open for him, the patience he's able
to have. This This is a really tough offense to stop,
and they're gonna grind the ball a lot and they're
gonna wear down the Chiefs defense and the offensive line
is gonna start slowly taking control of this game. But defensively,
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the Eagles are more than equipped to handle the Chiefs
pedestrian weapons. Right. They're gonna be able to pressure Patrick Mahomes.
Their defensive line is gonna be able to do that.
Philadelphia's roster is better than the Chiefs roster. Yes, it'll
be a close game in the fourth quarter, but the
Eagles flip the script. It's their year. They put it
all together. Philadelphia twenty seven to twenty three.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Nicely done. Jalen Carter, MVP.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
Chiefs eighth in the NFL this year against the run,
giving up just under one hundred and two yards per game.
So I have one more prop bet that I think
you'll like. Sakuon Barkley first carry over under four and
a half yards.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Ooh, first carry, first cast play, first first first carry
for Barkley.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
I'll go.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Uh, I'll go over four and a half yards for Barkley.
I'll go. So they dial Yeah, they the Eagles dial
something up for him that gives them a little bit
of momentum. So uh, it may be something not something
you run and see them do a lot, not a
bread and butter play, but they dial up something a
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little special for him. So they can start off the game,
put the Chiefs on their heels a little bit, and
and and they have the confidence they can run the football.
I'll go over four and a half.
Speaker 4 (13:29):
Nicely done, nicely done. See you like that one though,
because I that's a good one. See in the mental match,
one party wonders if they don't have Hurts come out
and take a shot down field immediately. It's like, we're
gonna keep you honest right off the jump.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
Yeah, one of those crazy things where they come out
in a hurry up offense and they throw the ball
every single playing yard. Maybe he's still haven't given Saquon
Barkley a carry this first drive for the Eagles. They're
inside the Chiefs ten. Jalen Hurts is nine out of
ten for seventy four of yall.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Make sure you know those guys are now tripping over
their tongues because they can't get off the field because
of the hurry up offensive.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Bam, we some chaos.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So there are picks for the Super Bowl opposite sides.
Mike has the Chiefs, I have the Elgses Eagles. What
does Vegas think? Well, luckily us coming up next. Our
insider Todd Furman, former Vegas insider at Caesars Bet the
Board podcast. He's on CBS. What prop bets does he like?
Who does he like? To walk away with? Lombardi Trophy
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What's happening, Bud?
Speaker 6 (17:01):
Not much, gentlemen.
Speaker 5 (17:02):
I'm excited that we get to put a bow on
a football season, and about you know, seven or eight
o'clock Pacific time on Sunday night it officially becomes Mets season.
So I know you're extremely excited.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
You know, I was going to ask you, like obviously
that the amount bet on the on the Super Bowl
is an incredible number week, you know, year in, year out.
Was there a big push this week for NBA betting
after the trade deadline with Lakers futures or Maverick's futures.
Did you see a big bup push there it anywhere.
Speaker 5 (17:30):
You saw books being pretty proactive with those particular numbers.
The Lakers number got haved and so you consent. This
price you saw for them to win was right around
thirteen to one to come out of the Western Conference
and about double that to win the NBA title. The
MAVs price continues to drift out, and I wonder where
there'll be a little bit of resistance, because I'm not
sure the MAVs I'll be losing a superstar and Luca
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fall off a cliff nearly as much as what the
betting market suggests. I mean, we saw them last night
with an upset win to the Boston Celtics, and while
I don't use that as a litmus test, may show
some of the potential that that team does have. But
for the most part, NBA regular season betting doesn't really
move the needle. Everything pales in comparison. Although the books
that I've spoken to this week have told me that
handle for this game is significantly down from what they've
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seen over the last couple of years. So we'll see
if things really pick up in the thirty six hours
now until kickoff.
Speaker 4 (18:19):
Is that with the I guess more advent of state
to state gambling. So it's not coming to Vegas the
same way. Because I've been seeing all the tourism cries
for help with the hotels.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
It's definitely a big part of it.
Speaker 5 (18:33):
I think people that you know would normally come out
to Vegas for an event of this magnitude, you know,
don't feel incentivized quite the same way. I know slegalized
sports betting may not get to the state of California
until about twenty seventy two, but for a lot of
other spots, especially on the East Coast, you can bet
from your mobile phone, and for folks in you know, Philadelphia,
Kansas City, they're going to check out to the game.
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But it's almost as though we're experienced a bit, experiencing
a bit of a Super Bowl hangover, having hosted the
event here last year and now being forced to fill
you know, a couple hundred thousand hotel rooms with guests
that you know may not be as intrigued by this
matchup on paper, knowing it's the same one we saw
a couple short years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
And I saw you on your Twitter feed earlier today
something insane. More people are betting Saquon Barkley to score
a touchdown than they are betting anything else. I got
that rightly, more people betting Barkley to score a touchdown
than anything else.
Speaker 6 (19:24):
You know.
Speaker 5 (19:24):
That was one of the news stories that's circulated from
a guy who I know pretty closely having worked with
them at some previous employers, in Craig Muckley, who's in
charge of the trading team at Caesar's Entertainment, and it
just I think puts things in perspective that when people
get generally apathetic around such a tight number as we're
seeing here with Kentdon City fluctuating from a minus one
point favorite to pick them, that people are looking to
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try and find other ancillary ways that they can invest
their money, and in most cases it appears to be
laying that price on Saquon Barkley to find pager, whether
it's of the straight bat variety or tying him in
as kind of the cornerstone of a lot of the
same game parlays that we see out there. So just
changeinging dynamics from a sports betting preference standpoint as we
see more legalization take hold and it's much less traditional
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is probably the best way that I would describe it.
Hing the prop handle continues to kick up, and some
books have told me may represent seventy five to eighty
percent of the overall handle that'll do on Sunday's Big Game.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
When we talk about the individual stuff, and obviously folks
love all the random, crazy prop bets of you know,
Taylor Swift, you know visits and all that fun stuff,
when we get inside the actual game, how much fluctuation
do we see on individual lines on you know, player props,
you know, from the initial release to game day?
Speaker 3 (20:39):
Does it?
Speaker 4 (20:39):
Why do we see a lot of variants or does
those most of those hold but.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Not nearly as much now in twenty twenty five as
we would have if we had the same exercise about
ten years ago. And a lot of that is because
most of these players see over under set on a
lot of their receptions, their carries, their yardage totals each
and every week during the regular season. And I have
to give credit to some of the bigger national books
that they I don't have to go through the same
experience we did, you know, fifteen years ago when I
was behind the counter of price discovery from some of
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these secondary weapons that you don't have props hung on
on any given week, So it wouldn't be uncommon for
us for some of the players that were a little
bit more of an afterthought to have to move these
number seven to ten yards. You don't really see that
around the Travis Kelcey, the Saquon Barkley's, the Patrick Mahomes
and the Jalen Hurts of the world now, and trying
to find a little bit of an edge with game
state if you thought one team was going to be chasing,
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becomes a little bit more difficult to do with a
nuveumber hovering right around to pick them as well. So
it's a lot more precise science than what you've typically
seen in the past. Some of the math props, though,
will move substantially. For example, you saw over under on
Harrison budker Field goals made in the game open right
around one and a half minus a dollar ten and
some prominent shops as high as minus a dollar nineties now.
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So professional betters will do everything they can and then
some to try and extrapolate any semblance of an edge
a percentage points here or there on markets that they
feel give them the best opportunity to get to the window.
Speaker 1 (22:01):
You know, Mike and I talked about our favorite prop
bets a few minutes ago, and I like basically every
offensive prop bet for the Chiefs. I like the over
for Kelsey's receptions at six and a half. I like
the everything over for a Homes yards attempts, rushing attempts,
like the Super Bowl is his time and the Chiefs
aren't going to lose this game by giving the ball
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Isaiah Pacheco twenty two times. Like I like all the over,
and the Eagles are going to make him throw the
football a ton. I like every single overprop that makes
sense offensively for the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
Well, one thing that I'll say first, you're not going
out on a limb there Smith saying at Pachecko won't
get the ball twenty two times in the game. I
believe his overruner for rushing attempts right now sits at
five and a half.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
So if you thought he was, well, you get what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
They're not going to run the football all day, and
it's a Super Bowl, it's Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (22:48):
I would agree completely.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
And you have seen money from professional betters coming in
on the unders, not on Pachecko, his numbers have really
been shortened as his workload has been reduced. But more
on Kareem Hunt both his over under on attempts it
opened at thirteen and a half that is now trended
down to eleven and a half, heavily juiced under and
his yardage total as well. But when you mentioned some
of the marquee players, look there are usually substantial game
scripts and significant advantages to be found if you feel
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that that's how Kansas City is going to go about
approaching this Philadelphia defense. The thing with Kelsey, we've actually
seen a little bit of under money on his reception number.
Why the available six and a half, it's been the
juice that shifted. Yardage totals remain largely unchanged and from homes.
I'll echo your sentiments on it being a high volume
passing game, but I would feel more inclined knowing that
Kansas City may not have the explosive play in their
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arsenal to look at his overcompletions over attempts more so
than some of the yardage markers that are out there.
Speaker 4 (23:39):
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Speaker 3 (23:59):
You've in your research?
Speaker 4 (24:01):
You know, without giving away the farm from the podcast,
I mean, obviously, yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
Speak not so much one that's wild, But we do
have a pair of best bats available, So I appreciate
you plugging the podcast.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
The folks can go check out. We spend about an hour.
Speaker 5 (24:13):
Dissecting how the Chiefs run offense and pass offense will
look against the Eagles defense and the exact opposite on
the other side of the ball. So a full deep
dive that you can get there should you want to
dig into some of those ex'es and o's. But Seqwell,
Barkley one of the more polarizing players in this particular game.
I know we hit on, you know, the yes no
for him to score a touchdown, but you look at
his over under for rushing yardage setting that one to
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twelve and a half one thirteen range, and we haven't
seen a running back accumulate that kind of tally on
the ground and Dominic Rhodes did it back in two
thousand and six. Before that, it was Michael Pittman in
two thousand and two. And if we're talking about eclipsing
even one hundred and twenty five yards rushing, it was
Terrell Davis back in nineteen ninety seven. So I think
Barkley's going to get a full workload. I think I'll
have a chance to go over that number. But the
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area where I think is you have a little bit
of whibber room is going under on his longest rushing
attempt for the game, that sits at twenty four and
a half yards. And the reason I say that is
because when the Chiefs have developed a defensive game plan,
they're not one to try and completely stifle you at
the line of scrimmage. But I think Steve Spagnolo is
going to be perfectly content and I use that term
relatively speaking to try and keep Barkley to five to
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six yard gains. Forced Philadelphia to move the ball down
the field methodically rather than giving up the explosive that
we saw on the first snap against the Washington Commanders,
and how we've seen Barkley with those backbreaking runs more
often than not so I went under twenty four and
a half yards for Saquon Barkley's longest rush. I believe
that number even is available at some books at twenty
five and a half.
Speaker 6 (25:34):
But now heavily juiced as well.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
All right, now, let me take you back to last night,
cut because this is I thought about this. We almost
called you last night because this was so insane, like.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
How how I probably I probably as much as I
love you both, I probably wouldn't have answered, but continue, ok.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
I trust me.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
I started to do the text.
Speaker 4 (25:53):
But Todd and I already talked earlier in the day.
Fit yeah, I mean we certainly had a couple of hey, well,
what do you think Todd would say?
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Moments gut So.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Yesterday, over the course of the day, the MVP odds
for Josh Allen really started to increase, right, He went
from a from a forty seven percent chance to like
a ninety two percent chance to win. And then Tracy
Wilson of CBS tweets out a graphic congratulating Josh Allen
on winning the MVP when it still hadn't been announced.
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There was still about fifteen or twenty minutes between She
tweets that out then she deletes it and they announce
the winner. Now after she did that, if I had
called and said, Hey, I want to put all kinds
of money on Josh Allen to win the MVP, could
I have gotten that? Would you have locked me out
of it? What was happening last night?
Speaker 6 (26:41):
Well, there are a couple of rinkos to this story.
Speaker 5 (26:43):
First and foremost, you know, I'm unfortunately not on Tracy
Wilson's speed dial. She had that kind of intel, you knucklehead,
sending me texts and asking me questions, not ones that
I can profit from. But in this particular incident, guys,
what's interesting about the dynamic and the way that number
had moved In the build up to the award ceremony
last night? When Lamar Jackson was named to the All
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Pro team with a commanding vote share, most regulated books
pulled the odds to win the MVP entirely.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Off the board.
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Some books offshore actually reopened those prices made Lamar a
substantial favorite. But going into last night, the one exchange
that you're mentioning with the odds changing on the fly
was poly market and you saw Josh Allen, I believe
about an hour before the Awards ceremony started drift out
to about ninety six percent, and as we always say,
the betting markets know before everyone else does, so there
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wasn't the same opportunity to move nearly as much freight
as you'd like on that particular market. But for most
of the offshore shops, of the handful that still kept
it up, you know they were going to honor those
bets until they pulled the prices off. And you're seeing
something similar with the over under on the national Anthem
for Sunday's Big Game as well. As soon as they
get bets that they respect starting to flow in on
the under, they pulled that market off just as quickly.
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But that's why gaming control out here in the desert,
and I can't speak to every jurisdiction ask some of
those checks and balances in place, and it's the main
reason why to use the Heisman Trophy as kind of
a litmus test as well. Those odds actually get pulled
off the board as soon as games kickoff on Championship
Saturday to make sure there's full transparency and no one
has that kind of information once the votes start to accumulate, Now.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Todd, I know you'll be locked and loaded with everything
going on. Bet the Board podcast is up, but your
game day action, what's the war room look like? I mean,
how many monitors or is there a simple app that
you can buy into that has all the biggest books
so you can chart action.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
You know, a little calmer than what it's been in
the past. Tomorrow will be a significantly busier day. I'll
have to go old school, throw the backpack over my shoulder,
get all of my parking passes and start hoofing it
down Las Vegas Boulevard to make sure I can shop
some of those numbers, because the limits that you can
get over the counter when you blend in with the
general public are significantly better than the amount of money
that can you can move on a lot of the
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betting apps where.
Speaker 6 (28:54):
They can track it right to you accounts.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
You have to get creative and figure out some of
the ams busts. No, no fake mustache. I don't have
the Bobby Valentine Incgnito costume, so if you have access
to that smith it would come in handy. But for me,
it's all about trying to get creative, and it's the
cat and mouse game that we all like to play
and you hope that the public drives up some of
the numbers and puts them in range the prices that
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you otherwise didn't think we're going to be available on
the open. So not nearly as sexy as some folks
may make it sound. But I'll tell you one thing
about every ninety minutes to two hours, you're constantly scrolling
through all the apps trying to figure out if a
number has come into range, and looking to do everything
you can to extract a little bit of value from
an over under on player rushing or receiving yards from
some of the penalty props that are out there. We're
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hoping that there may be a points rebound assist number
that's moved a little too much in the NBA that
gives you some cross spoord action as well.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
He's on Twitter at Todd Furman, That is at Todd Furman.
Check them out there, check out the Bet the Board podcast,
all your needs, everything you want headed into Super Bowl licks,
the picks, the upsets, the big prop bets, the do
cater Do you do the colors of gatorade, Todd? Or
is that something you'd be passed on? You do the
gay you know?
Speaker 6 (30:04):
I haven't gotten involved in that.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I used to have boots on the ground that could
let me know exactly what color gatorades are going to
be on each sideline, so you could parlay money lines
with both teams to the color of gatorade and kind
of eliminate one of those wrinkles. Unfortunately, I haven't been
given that intel yet, so I'm rather disappointed that my
moles haven't leaked it back to me.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Again. Todd on Twitter at Todd Furman, that is at
Todd Ferman as always, buddy, appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
Man.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
We'll talk to you next week. You have a great one.
Speaker 6 (30:28):
You got a gentleman. Enjoy the game on Sunday.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
Hit him hard, brother, There goes Todd Ferman Man. O't
say I don't have Tracy Wilson on speed now. So
we could have done that. We could have called and said, hey,
here's here's all of our kids entire college money on
Josh Allen to win the MVP. We would have made
like ten bucks on it. It would have been like
a crypto make Hey, look I made money already, but
we would have made money on that.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Mic Well, I mean, look, profit is profit, right, whether
it's a dollar whether it's a multiple of ten thousand,
Like everybody always laughs, like, why would you bet the
on hundred thousand for what's the sure thing? Well, yeah,
it could go wrong, but I mean seven hundred dollars
or whatever the returns are, it's still seven hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
You didn't have it.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
That's the same thing here, even if it's a pittance
to the overall that you gotta lay out. If it's
trending towards that sure thing, and you still have an entryway,
as Todd said, you still had one book where you
might have been able to get in fast enough before
the announcement, that's good. The other thing is, man, look
he's got he's got to make those connections over at CBS.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
Man, I'm like, what's going on? Yeah, I tell you
got it. His end might be Romo.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Gotta have Tracy Wolfson on speed.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Tile now, although I don't think she'll be leaking information
again anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Would be my guess.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
We got more coming up in ninety seconds. But now
it's time to find out what's trending from a man
who's been called the Tracy Wolfson of Fox Sports Radio.
He tells you everything way ahead of time and then
deletes it all and waits until after the games are over,
and then we'll tell you who wins and loses.
Speaker 7 (32:01):
I'll tell you if I could have that guaranteed ten bucks,
that would buy a lot of hot dogs at the
cart right next to the Brent Musburger studio on this trip.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
So I say, why not.
Speaker 7 (32:11):
We've got Super Bowl coming up on Fox TV this
Sunday with the Chiefs and Eagles. Philadelphia defensive end Brandon
Graham practice fully today. He's questionable for the big game
after triceps surgery in November. Wide receiver DeVante Smith was
limited in practice again. He's had a bad hamstring, but
we'll play. Former Colts defensive coordinator Gus Bradley joined the
forty nine Ers staff, and the NFL will hold a
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game in Ireland next season involving the Steelers. Tiger Woods
will play in next week's PGA event, which benefits his foundation.
It'll be held in San Diego this year instead of
LA because of the fires last year. Woods completed only
eleven rounds of golf in five total events. Thomas Detrie
leads the Phoenix Open by two strokes. Jordan Speith is
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three back in college basketball Top twenty matchup on Fox
TV tonight went to Saint John's winning at yukon sixty
eight six x two. Saint John's had trailed twenty four
to ten. Early number seven Perdue beat USC ninety to
seventy two. Indiana Hoosiers coach Mike Woodson is stepping down
after this season. They've lost six of their last seven games.
He's sixty six years old.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
To the Lake game.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
In the NBA, it's late third quarter at Phoenix, the
Suns are up eighty three seventy eight over Utah, thirty
points for Devin Booker. As Kevin Durant is out tonight
with a sprained ankle. Lebron James, with a sore ankle,
is doubtful for Saturday afternoon. Luka Donsich could debut for
LA on Monday. Anthony Davis will debut tomorrow with the Mavericks.
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He's missed the last five games with an abdominal strain.
Jimmy Butler, now with Golden Steak, cleared to play on Saturday.
Oklahoma City is forty one and nine after beating Toronto.
Cleveland's record forty two to ten after winning at Washington
Charlotte won on a last second three pointer, edging San
Antonio one seventeen to one. Sixteen Miles Bridges twenty five points,
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including the game winner. Home victories for Brooklyn, Atlanta, and Detroit,
which with Philadelphia won twenty five one twelve the final.
Malik Beasley thirty six points as Key Cunningham of Detroit
was out with a sprained ankle. And news from the
NHL that Winnipeg won its eighth straight game beating the
Islanders four to three and it's now a final. Colorado
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wins at Edmonton five to four.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Back to you, Thank you, Steve. The Jason Smith Show
with Mike Carmon live from the Tirak dot com studios.
Coming up next, the hottest of hot takes for Super
Bowl Licks, something that we have seen all season long,
mainly for the last two or three years. We are
not gonna see on Sunday. What is it that's next?
Right here Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
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Speaker 1 (34:52):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith show with my best
friend Mike Harmon. My ringtone. It's my ringtone every time,
every time my wife, my daughter calls, might go, it's
my team. It's like house and my team. It's my team. Uh,
you want a hot take for Super Bowl Licks? I
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got it for you, one hundred percent. You ready, Yeah,
let's go. The Chiefs are not gonna get the calls
on Sunday. You think they're not gonna get them on Sunday.
It's been such a huge story. It's too big and
out in the open now. Whether the end, the NFL
has to answer about this, and the fact that they're
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answering about this really ratchets up the the possibility that hey,
we gotta we gotta call this even tighter than we
wanted to. The NFL has addressed the Roger Goodell talking
about it this week at the Super Bowl. No, it's
ridiculous to think the Chiefs are getting calls. We did
the Referees Association saying the same thing. So when you
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go to the wall and you want to answer these
because clearly, look, the NFL doesn't have to the referees,
they don't have to answer these questions about the Chiefs
getting the calls. But when they want to stand up
and say it's ridiculous to say that when clearly a
lot of the either way calls or the questionable calls
all seem to go the Chiefs way, big calls that
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can potentially flip games. If you see that again in
the super Bowl, you're talking about, that's gonna erode trust
in the product, right Like this is where businesses have
meetings and say there's no trust in our product. We
have to make sure we get everybody out there back
on board that our product is safe. If we see
the Chiefs get a couple of big calls in this
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game that really shouldn't have been called or could have
gone either way. If we see another hey, it's a
first down for Josh Allen. No, no, no, the one
referee on the chief side is overruling the official on
the Bill side. We see that again, it's gonna be
anarchy and people are gonna talk about not trusting the
NFL and more of the NFL being rigged. That's gonna
be an overwhelming conversation, and the NFL doesn't want that.
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The NFL doesn't like when the overwhelming conversation is about
something that's out of their control. That makes them look bad.
They didn't want the conversation to be about players kneeling
for the national anthem. They didn't want to deal with
President Trump the first time around when when he was
talking about NFL players should be fired. They don't want
any of that. This is bad for our business. They
do not want anything that a roads trust or could
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erode interest in the game. Right. You had people saying
years ago, I've never watched the NFL again. Players are kneeling.
I've never watched the NFL again. Okay, clearly that wasn't
the case, but it was dicey for a long time,
and the NFL didn't like that. They're not going to
want this beat to be something that is. That is
the overwhelming topic coming off the Super Bowl. So yeah,
I don't think you're going to see Casey get all
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the calls, and that's a huge I'm doing backflipps on
the Eagles. I'm thinking, Okay, don't have to worry about
a big fourth and one or a holding call here
that is questionable, but hey, we can throw the flag
because the Chiefs are getting a first down. I really,
I know, I feel like I'm going against what we've
seen over the course of the past couple of years.
And yes, the Chiefs do get the superstar calls because
that's what they are. They're super Just like Jordan got
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superstar calls. The Chiefs get superstar calls. That's what they are.
There will be they will not get the superstar calls
on Sunday, and that's a big thing for the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:14):
I mean, look, we always talk about perception becomes a
reality and even if you don't want to acknowledge and
feed into the small microcosms, the small worlds that are
the echo chambers of certain whatever your social media app
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is of choice, right, certainly depending on age, we know
there's divides and where you go and what comes through
off the algorithms reinforces belief you already have.
Speaker 1 (38:46):
Right.
Speaker 4 (38:46):
I always wonder sometimes if you sat and watched a
game through a different prism of hey, I'm not expecting
the Chiefs to get a call and and here I'm
gonna look and see where maybe a Bill's player or
some but he gets away with a hold because they
don't do a lot of that. Right, there's a well
you know that was only the second quarter. It's like, no, no,
that play still counts, right. It's like it's like the
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winning and losing of games Bengals in September, those still
count just the same, right, And they may inform field
position and that sequence of events, what the play call
is on the next one whatever, Right, But we don't
do that because it's easy to find one or two
moments and it feeds into a narrative. It goes into
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a super cut either on a website or on a
highlight show, or whatever the case may be, or or
your favorite blowhard that feeds into it. So certainly that's
the case, and everybody's watching with baited breath. I thought
Goodell's comments were interesting, right, ridiculous theory for anyone who
might take it seriously, But I like his add on.
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But at the end of the day, it's something that
we have to continue to work on. How do we
make our officiating better at all times times so acknowledging,
you know, while it may not be that problem, we
do acknowledge that there's enough gray to where you can
start going down those rabbit holes if you really want
to lean in. Estimated one point four billion being bet
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legally on the Super Bowl this Sunday Jason, that's Lee legally. Legally,
make sure you say legally, but that's what I mean.
They give the shadow money. That probably is some multiple
of that. So yeah, there's there's a lot of anxious
eyeballs and acid tongues ready to attack.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
So there you go. They won't get the call Sunday.
They won't get them. It's too big a deal now
everybody knows about it. Big advantage Philadelphia, ELGs Ees, Eagles.
Speaker 4 (40:46):
El Jayleen, Carter, bron Breakers Rick Call coming up next,
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