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March 29, 2025 41 mins

On tonight’s edition of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon, Arnie Spanier is filling in for Jason! In Hour 2, the guys discuss NCAA NIL and the effect of the transfer portal on teams and player mental health. Next, they react to NBA Commissioner Adam Silvers comments on the stigma around the league and that he gets jealous of the kind of coverage other sports and leagues get. Don’t miss all this and more in Hour 2!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:04):
Greetings and welcome in an hour or two of the
program The Jason Smith Show with Me Mike Carmon live
from the Tirac dot Com Studios. Jason out tonight. He'll
be back on Monday. In instead, it's the stinking Genie.
Where did he go up north? I think, uh, I
think a couple of college uh visits and just kind
of hanging out and you know, on the open road.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
Yeah, well he might not be back in time maybe.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
I mean, I'll tell you why, because we are having
I'm in Vermont, We're having a forty eight hour snowstorm
up here in the north, in the Northeast.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
So is Beth already stretching your What does I know
You're gonna send her out.

Speaker 5 (00:41):
To do the shoveling.

Speaker 3 (00:42):
You're somebody's gotta do it. We're what boy could get.

Speaker 4 (00:45):
Almost an inch an hour, So we're we're it's supposed.

Speaker 5 (00:50):
Yeah, he just drove up the coast here in California.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
He's not.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
I didn't do that Pittsburgh trip like I did.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
A no.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I thought he was in zero no, no, looking at
a couple of schools. As best I could tell here
in Northern California. Here's here's one of the things. We
work together a lot. Yeah, we don't tell each other
every detail of what we're doing with our time off.

Speaker 5 (01:10):
Oh it's like did you go and refresh? Did you
get some time? Cool? If you saw a movie you liked?

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Cli and I tell everything.

Speaker 5 (01:16):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
When you come back, maybe we get a little bit
more filled in, But generally it's like, you go your way,
I'll go mine.

Speaker 5 (01:23):
I'll see you in a week.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Wow. I thought you guys were best friends.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
Well we are, okay, but I you know you sometimes
you needs everybody needs a little time away, just like
Chicago saying all those years ago, right, get a little Peter,
Satara and you're like Evan, Maddy needs a little time away.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
You wait, I get seeing Maybe, yeah we can do this.
Let's get after it.

Speaker 2 (01:44):
But yeah, we're watching Houston and Purdue seventeen sixteen, seven
minutes left in the first half.

Speaker 5 (01:51):
Yeah, big barn burner there.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
You told me you weren't excited about this tournament before
when I when I was texting you, you didn't. You
didn't have that warm, fuzzy feeling the NCAA tournament.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
This year, it's just one of those events on the
calendar that we as a nation, as a sports loving nation,
we don't care. We don't care, we don't care. And
now it's supposed to be the most important thing in
the world. That just doesn't resonate with me. And it's
not because Northwestern isn't there, because I know that's your

(02:21):
next joke, right, it's more just the I'm into it,
like it was part of what we were talking about
last hour, Right, Jason still lives and dies with everything
his teams do.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
Yeah, but we don't even care about Opening Day of
baseball anymore. When I was younger, I knew that the
Reds were gonna play Opening Day by themselves. They had
the day to themselves. Who were they going to play?
When it was gonna start? I think it was like
the Sunday night before everybody started on Monday. I can't
even tell you how many times Chris and I on
So then I going, well, how.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Many weeks left?

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Now? Three weeks before the start of the season, two
weeks even when baseball got here, I go, when does
it start? Now?

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Thursday?

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Sure, on the day the ZAA tournaments going into the
Sweet sixteam So you know.

Speaker 2 (03:04):
Those days are over, but the sanctity of the singular
we own a day is long gone. If you can
find eyeballs and on the calendar, and when you talk
about some of the scheduling, that has to happen because
at this point we're looking at Thanksgiving Day games for
Major League Baseball to close out.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
A World series. If you don't move some of this
stuff up here, Arnie.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
And I know ratings were through the roof the first week.
I know I heard the Sega or I was reading them.
Actually they were just a tad under two million, like
one point nine or something, so good for them, a
good way to start things off.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
I thought baseball was on.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
The decline a little bit, but they it seems like
the when they added the the clock, the pitch clock,
and sped things up, the games are good two and
a half hours or less.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
I think a lot of.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
People have come around and says, I'm okay with it.
Now I'm gonna watch some baseball.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
So I think things different windows. They sold a lot
of tickets. I mean, you basically have the Dodgers or
the Traveling road Show, so they're always going to bring
an audience, whether it's in Japan or any town near you.
They're gonna sell out the big brands. Winning certainly is
not gonna hurt things.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
Adding the playoff teams too, like I've always play on teams.

Speaker 5 (04:19):
Gotta do that, So September, it's only.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
A matter of time. It's only a matter of time.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
And I've been on this island by myself for years,
but it's only a matter of time before we go
to the split season. That way, you could have two
opening days, two you know, Pennant races, two of everything
when your team's twenty three and a half games out
of first place, renewed life in the second season, help

(04:45):
with ticket sales, help people go with games, help with
TV ratings. So it's only a matter of time before
it's a win win situation.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, I think it's it's nice in theory. We'll poke
holes in it as we continue.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
There's nothing to poke holes there is.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
What would be the if you are for the eight
teams that have qualified, then you're done.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
No what you could do that sixteen?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Sorry?

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Well whatever whatever it is. So that means if you
win both halves, maybe you get a buye.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Get maybe super bonus, and you get the money Ball
and every home runs worth two.

Speaker 4 (05:18):
ASO, you don't have to tire out your your your
pitching staff. Maybe you pitch them once every six days
instead of five days.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Maybe you bring some youngsters up, Maybe you do some
of that.

Speaker 5 (05:27):
See now you're going NBA load management.

Speaker 3 (05:30):
Look what you did there.

Speaker 5 (05:32):
You just went full loan man load management.

Speaker 3 (05:35):
Hundred shutsdown games, one hundred and sixty two games. You're
gonna have that? I mean, please, nobody.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Hey, you don't get to sit down for the six
games in eight days, posting it on social media and
then keep saying I'm hurt high lebron. So you have
that process and then back for an absolute whooping at
the hands of the Bulls before losing them for a
second time in the week on that Josh Giddy buzzer
beater last night. As we sit here, we're at the

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And earlier I was driving around picking up some food
for the younger kid and flipped on the radio and

(06:22):
there's a five seventy LA Sports and my guy's Petrosien
Money doing their thing. A lot of jackassery and tom foolery,
which is why.

Speaker 5 (06:30):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Right They chronicle all car chases and whatever else. But
in the middle of one of those, they had a
visit with Don McClain. You remember Don McClain, the all
time leading scorer right in PAC twelve history. Now he
part of the Big Ten, and he's part of the
coverage of the Clippers right long NBA career and certainly

(06:50):
still working doing Bruins broadcasts and stuff for the Big Ten.
He was on with Petroson Money and to set it up,
you know, long conference, he's got a kid playing some
college basketball right now, and so Petros set it up
with what seemed like a hey, let's get your thoughts
on this and go And well, Don McLean's answer gives

(07:12):
us some very interesting tales of where we're at in
the portal and transfer process.

Speaker 6 (07:16):
You know, there's a lot of lamentation about Cinderella being dead,
but a lot of the people that are lamenting Cinderella
being dead in college basketball are the ones that celebrated
the NILA. It came out so you know, I mean,
there's all kinds of different results, good and bad from
all the different changes in college sports. Have you enjoyed

(07:37):
the tournament so far?

Speaker 7 (07:39):
The answer to that question is yes. I was just
going to ask you if I can come on for
the next five segments to go over how I feel
about college basketball right now in the portal in nil
and everything else. We're now going through it again with Trent.
He decommitted from West Virginia because a coach went to Indiana.
But now we're waiting on the portal. How about this.
You know what a guy told me yesterday, a really
well connected guy to me yesterday that of the power

(08:03):
four conferences, okay, Big ten, ACC, Big twelve, and what's
the other one the SEC SEC. Sorry that if you're
a rotation player in one of those four leagues, meaning
top eight players, of what you are now getting in
the portal half a million dollars?

Speaker 1 (08:23):
What wow?

Speaker 7 (08:24):
Every single player half a million dollars is to go
and rate, not even start. That's where we That's yeah,
that's where we are now in college basketball. Now it's
going to change with the rev sharing thing and Pee,
I don't know what you've heard on the football side.
But it sounds like the rev sharing thing that's getting
voted on April seventh is going to change this where

(08:45):
it's not going to be as much money all the
way around. If you have real true nil deals, meaning
with Gatorade or Nike or whatever, you still get that
nil money. But just this free flowing money of we'll
give you one hundred and fifty grand to go to
the car dealership and sign autographed for half an hour,
that stuff, for my understanding, is going to kind of
go away, So that will slow this down a little bit.

(09:07):
But it's just wrong. And maybe I'm a little biased
right now because of the situation trends in But how
is it that a kid that can play and play
high major Division one basketball has to wait for the
portal that has twelve hundred kids in it because for
the most part, they're in there to get paid. They're
not there because they didn't like where they were at.

(09:27):
For most of them, they're in there because they had
a good year and now they're cashing in. And that's
where we're at in college basketball. To me, Look, I've
always been for players to get paid, but this is ridiculous,
Like it's it's out of control, and hopefully with this
rev sharing thing on the horizon that it will change.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Think about that five hundred k to start rotational player
that Zom mcclayan on earlier today. Thanks to Tim Kates,
the producer that the Pettersen Money Show there on a
five to seventy LA Sports, for getting us the audio
to Shay and for him pushing that to get that
into the system for us already.

Speaker 5 (10:03):
Think about that rotational players. We're not even talking.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
About the stars right right, we're talking you're part of
the and if and if one.

Speaker 4 (10:10):
Of them goes down, then now you only got nine
and eight if front of them's injured there, But that's
beside the point.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
I never knew it was that much money. I'm shocked.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
Maybe I was naive, Mike when I thought we were
when we started nil, it was gonna be like, come
on down the gym's the auto dealership, and you're gonna
meet so and so he's gonna sign some autographs, shake
some shake some hands. Uh, you know, we're gonna pay
him like five thousand dollars or ten thousand dollars and
he was gonna get a bunch of commercials. Maybe a

(10:39):
free car to drive around campus, and that's what these
kids were gonna get. Not in my wildest dreams did
I think it was going to be something like this
and that kids were gonna be entering the portal just
to get their money and transferred to another school.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
The portal's out of control.

Speaker 4 (10:56):
I agree with Don, this is crazy that the each
kids getting a half billion dollars. If you're in the
top eight rotation out there.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Where's all this money coming from? Are these boosters?

Speaker 5 (11:08):
That's the thing, right, what the market will bear?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I mean, we're talking about it last week, aren't even
what's one of the biggest fascinations with the NCAA tournament.
People fill it out brackets or placing some wagers because
you get a lot of day to day action right
day training for lack of a better term. They were
estimating legally three point one billion dollars, right, legally, So
think about the remaining shadow markets and stuff that you're

(11:32):
not necessarily able to trace, right.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
Yeah, but that doesn't go back to the end, no, no, no.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
But it's just the large s, which means those folks
have vested interest in some of the schools and the
players some percentage right of that three point one billion
is people that are really interested in the individual programs, conferences,
et cetera.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
But then you get back in that give that money.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Well, but that's just it, right, you only need one, right,
how many schools or again and others where it's primarily
you've got one major benefactor, doesn't mean there's a lot
of tribute.

Speaker 4 (12:06):
We were talking about this on Sunday, I say, where
does b YU get their money?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Right?

Speaker 4 (12:10):
They're talking about the nil portal and all that, and
then a bunch of people tweeted us.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Marriott, they give the money.

Speaker 5 (12:18):
No, but that's just it.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
If you run, if you want to go do the
due diligence for every school, you're gonna find a couple
of major corporations that have alumni at exactly of their
executive boards, and that it's good business to be part
of it, to make your school that much better and
look quid pro well, right, where you got to go?
Stay somewhere where you're on the road. Right, So you

(12:41):
talk about hotels, about cars, you talk about all like
all of it like this begets begets that against the other.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Isn't this what we want?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
All?

Speaker 4 (12:50):
You wanted the kids to make money. You wanted them
to get their share. You kept saying, how uh NCAA
football and basketball is making money hand over fists. So
finally the kids have a chance to make money back,
and now everybody's getting bent out of shape.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Well, but that's just it.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Right between timing, we'll hear from Bruce Pearl, you mentioned
him earlier. We'll talk about him and his comments about
the portal and the timing.

Speaker 5 (13:13):
Spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
He agrees with me, it's like, too damn bad because
coaches can just pick up and leave. And don't tell
me that all the hard conversations long before the tournament
hadn't already been had.

Speaker 5 (13:24):
Oh we guys early, right, ex where.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
Kids already know they're leaving or they're on the edge
because of playing time or what the coach is going
to do. Right, Don owed to the fact that his
son is trying to figure out what to do.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Right, he was committed.

Speaker 3 (13:39):
Coach left the manager new from McNee State. McNeese excuse
me that he was going to go to NC.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
State with the coach out of mere conkid right, he
knew he was going.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
You want to talk about cashing in good good on
I wish I was eighteen to twenty one.

Speaker 5 (13:55):
Again, that's all I can say.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
The opportunities based on the jack ascery and fandom that
we had back in the day.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Did he do something special? Did I miss?

Speaker 2 (14:04):
He was just their guy and he had or he
you know, is he Well there was a video that
eventually came out of him rapping along to a song
and the teammate U, the whole team was.

Speaker 5 (14:15):
Just confused that he knew the words to it.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
But in terms of like he was a good student manager,
and like maybe it shines a spotlight on what these
kids and and people in the programs do behind the scenes.
So maybe they get a little more run, even if
they they're not flamboyant and embraced. Yeah, he was getting
a big money, but that's the thing, right, But like

(14:39):
I said, I hope other people get a little bit
of run because he certainly got over in a big way.

Speaker 5 (14:44):
And and maybe he he kicks.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Them back to the players because g yeah, they certainly
helped out and they got fed literally in part of
this process with all the NID deals he signed. But
you know, the money is there, it's just now activated.
And the unintended consequence is that, yes, you're gonna have
guys go, well, I can only get dollar X from

(15:06):
the school I'm at. I can get X times two
times four ten.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
And it hurts the small schools now the mid majors
that we like, the ones that pulled off the upsets,
because you have one good year at these schools and
you're looking.

Speaker 3 (15:19):
To move up to it.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
But you always, Arnie, you always did if you were
a good player. You know, they always say talent will
be found.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
Well, yeah, but you couldn't transfer this quickly like you
used to.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
Well, but do you want to go back to where
you got to sit out heat? You're not on ringing
that bell?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
No, no, no, that's too.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
But the way you're saying, like you can transfer so easily,
well unless you put a rule in that you can't
continue to transfer. Looking, you got guys that will play
as grad gred transfers and grad assistance if they still
have eligibility, because it's another payday, right right, So I
mean it increases the workforce. It does the job for
the NBA because a lot of these guys may not

(16:00):
commit where they you know, to the NBA draft where
they might have otherwise, because if you're not in the
first round. You're not guaranteed any contract. So now if
you stay.

Speaker 3 (16:08):
In school, you get some money.

Speaker 5 (16:10):
You might get a couple hundred grand.

Speaker 3 (16:11):
And maybe you get a degree, who knows.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Who knows, maybe you actually fall into a classroom now because.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
That whole class Hey, how about that is well?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
I mean that's the next frontiers that we take away
the the cloak of student athlete altogether, right, the student
part of it, and its exactly right job right, and
you're just a paid basketball player, volleyball player wherever.

Speaker 5 (16:39):
The money's flowing. Uh, then we'll talk about that as
you do.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
You think it's too much transferring though, I mean, how
many people in the portal now in basketball, it's insane.

Speaker 5 (16:47):
Sounds like or something.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
That's how many actually transfer out and have offers somewhere else.

Speaker 5 (16:53):
Don't know, We'll see how it shakes out.

Speaker 4 (16:55):
Indiana has like no people on their team, right, I
think it's I think it's in the end.

Speaker 5 (17:00):
Coaching changes and for the mid majors.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
Look, but they have nobody.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
I mean they cal Perry just did yes, right, But
he'd been doing that for twenty years anyway, so he
had a first move or advantage because that's all he
ever did was bring in new freshmen, right, So what
he did with Arkansas, yeah, it's great, but really he's
not a blueprint years ago.

Speaker 5 (17:20):
You hated him back then because it was all under
the counter.

Speaker 4 (17:24):
That's another thing that this is kind of eliminated, is
the freshman coming in and being able to play. It's
all about portal and transferring. And hey, this guy had
eighteen points in Murray State. I'll take him over some
guy that was a star in high school. Some guys
don't even you know, bothered looking at high school kids anymore.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
Here, Arnie, I want you to look up a freshman
C double O peer space fl A double G, reclassified.
His twin whose name is Ace, is still in high school,
reclassified freshman.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
I think he's doing just fine. Are still going to
find their way to the corner.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
It's all about the portal, it's all about the transfer.
A lot of programs don't even bother with high school
students anymore.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
They don't even They're like, why should I I hear?

Speaker 4 (18:20):
I get to see what kids are actually achieving in college,
not who's the big and sure there's some great high
school players. Arizona just signed the top ten player he
announced that the pat Back and Feet show.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
He's a good one, but you know he can't. There's
only a few of those.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
They're not the few and far between compared to the
transfer portal.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
Well, but they always really were in terms of the standouts, aren'y.
I don't know that that's necessarily changed.

Speaker 3 (18:45):
Now.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
We'll see what happens when people cut down the nets.
How many are transfers? How many steak we talk about
fi Fau, Dan and I yesterday the number of guys
from FAU that are contributing in the sweet sixteen at
other schools. So you know, the Norfolk Stay eight coach
had the big thing of hey, we're just a juco
program and a feeder system. Well it's always been that

(19:06):
way due to a degree. Now it's just a bit
exacerbated with the dollar sign attached to it. He's already spanier.
I'm Mike Darmin. It's Fox Sports Radio The Jason Smith
Show with me Mike Carmon. Coming up next, we turn
our attention to the NBA. Adam Silver with some interesting comments.
You want expansion in turn in the US?

Speaker 5 (19:24):
Eh?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
Maybe uh put the brakes on that. He's got bigger visions.
We'll talk about that coming up next here on Fox.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Welcome back in It's Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith Show
with Me, Mike Harmon, No Jason Tonight, our guy Arnie
Spanier in his stead. Michigan up forty six thirty nine
now on Auburn, and then we have the other game
now gone to halftime as well, Arnie.

Speaker 5 (19:52):
So exciting Friday night shaping up.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Here as we've got games that are in the balance,
which is really a you can help.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
So Purdue has a two point lead thirty one to
twenty nine over Houston.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
I love Kelvin Sampson.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
I think he's a great coach, so that'd be quite
the upset. And I'm surprised Michigan with that seven.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Point lead now over Auburn.

Speaker 4 (20:13):
Auburn not shooting the ball well, Michigan just getting a
little bit more tougher, but still plenty of time of
like over twelve minutes left day. I still think Auburn's
gonna come back and win this week.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
You got those big rim protectors, so you're getting after
it as your role, as you said, shooting just thirty
one percent from the field already fourteen turnovers for Auburn
as well as we get down to twelve and a
half left in that one. So we'll keep you apprized
as we roll long. We've got Major League Baseball, you
got NBA action, You've got the women's tournament. Had a

(20:45):
couple of games we missed.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
THELA only up. I wanted halftime last night checked.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
We talked about the dismal North Carolina Duke game from
earlier today.

Speaker 5 (20:54):
That was just bad.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
USLA now up fourteen with a little less than five minutes.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
Left, Well they poured it on. Then wow, rough night
for old miss.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
Uh yes, this one rolls on.

Speaker 2 (21:06):
You take the three point loss to Michigan State on
the men's side and now the women's side getting work
u c L a number one seed, thirty two and
two on the year.

Speaker 5 (21:15):
Uh so we'll keep it, keep it.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
That was horrible. What happened to Juju Watkins? Did you
see that play?

Speaker 7 (21:20):
That was?

Speaker 5 (21:21):
That was just what time did it happen? Arnie?

Speaker 3 (21:23):
I have no idea what he wasn't on the air.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
We would have been on air.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
So yeah, Juju Watkin gets hurt and then twenty minutes later,
Jason Tatum lands.

Speaker 5 (21:31):
On a foot and uh for the moment, I was like,
oh no.

Speaker 4 (21:34):
Tatum looked like it was gonna be a lot worse
than a sir I thought.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
There.

Speaker 4 (21:39):
I was like that commercial we're gonna have up you
take your careers over?

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (21:43):
You know what you saw that commercial where they go
we'll just take a digital.

Speaker 5 (21:47):
I'm gonna go out a lemon say no, no, it's
not over. Or if I saw it, I didn't.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, like I want I'm in the studio here, I
get no sound.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
He act like he was shot in the foot Man.
He was like, oh he was.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
That was pretty brutal.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, Berlin to look to it in pretty dirty play
when it's all said and done.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
For that one, No, I didn't like it.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
I think it was a half aass closeout effort towards
like I'm ann alter your shot, pay attention, and then
you're you're in his landing path like there was.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
There was no real effort on the ball or to
defend it.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
It's more just a here I am than like flashing
into your line of youth as you go.

Speaker 5 (22:22):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
So Adam Silver had a lot to say the last
couple of days here, Arnie. So let's break down a
couple of them. First off, I loved his quote on
the salacious lebron James Stephen a smith tail because it's
more speaking to the larger point that's been made a
lot with the NBA this year, and Adam Silver talking

(22:46):
about it saying, you know, sometimes, here's the quote. Sometimes
it seems that in other sports that I'm a fan of,
and when I watched the coverage, particularly around the games,
it seems more celebratory often than it is with the NBA,
And I accept.

Speaker 3 (23:00):
It he's right about that.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
For look, we do get on players in the NFL,
but yes, it's more celebratory, and in the NBA, we're
we're a lot more critical. I think a bunch of reasons. One,
we enjoy the NFL more, we enjoy football more. To
the NBA with all this load management puts us in
a bad situation to begin with. We're we're in a

(23:26):
bad mood to begin with because of all this load
management out there. And three, it just feels, you know,
like they have a disconnect with the with the fans
out there.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
That's why it seems like there's a lot of fighting
going on with the NBA, and then the and the media.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Well, I mean, part of it is if the people
that are on your broadcast continually tell you how poor
everything is, right, it becomes reinforced right, and it becomes
the talking point that you go out repetition of the
product is bad, this team is badest style of play
is bad. Becomes the echo chamber, and that's how people

(24:03):
then what are.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
We really missing? Though all this the NBA is bad?
What are we missing? You're missing the mid range jumpers?
Would you the what? Maybe defense? But nobody ever complains
about missing defense? What exactly are we missing that we're
ripping on the NBA that says it's not a fun
product to watch.

Speaker 5 (24:23):
I think some of it is the effort.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Some of it is not necessarily missing the well, but
even effort on the court right, you to defense to
a degree, and that gets people, you know, all prickly
when you start talking about that, because trying to give
you know, full effort.

Speaker 5 (24:39):
I understand it.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
Forty eight minutes a night or thirty eight or whatever
you're playing in a night, right, you're gonna take some
possessions a little less less less than and certainly intensity.
I mean, the hell go back to everybody had been
clamoring about the defense of the Lakers. Then you watch
that absolute collapse against Chicago yesterday, I'm like, okay, this
has now become make a trend, right, you got a

(25:01):
trend line over the few games where the defense hasn't
been all that versus you know that first juice.

Speaker 4 (25:08):
We used that NBA games in the one seventeen, so
there could have been good defense back then, and we
like the NBA when of the scores were seventy two seventy.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
Well, but that but that's the thing, right, it's styles
and taste change and who you're listening to, and this
goes in all aspects. And I'm only taking this so far.
So if you carry it over the line, you get
whatever retribution comes from social media at stink and Genius one.
But you know what I'm saying, like, folks are going
to listen to some of the people they may agree.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
With, right the good old days.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
As I quoted Billy Joel earlier, it's like, wow, you
know what, it's not like it was in the eighties,
whereas Lebron and others do everything they can to tell
you how they'd run up and down the floor on
these other players, and it's it goes back into All right,
if we're doing the time time machine thing, do they
get to come along into twenty twenty five with all

(26:00):
the technological advances, the ability to travel first class, the
ability to sleep in a hyperbaric chamber, the ability to
take whatever the hell supplements these guys will taking, the
ability to go and train and not work a second
job in the off season other than the film, a commercial,
and all of these other things. We don't get it
both ways. You don't get the body and everything you

(26:20):
have in twenty twenty five to transport you back to
the sixties and seventies if it doesn't work the same
way going back.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
You're right about the one.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
So all of a sudden you're Steve Rodgers, you know,
looking like the scrawny little kid that can't get get
stamped until Stanley Tucci says, hey, I got an idea.
Yeah right, Tommy Lee Jones is, you know, all grumpy
and miserable, and then all of a sudden you get
the super Seroman.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Bam, we got ourselves to captain America.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
You're never gonna win that argument, by the way, what
do you think.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Well, that's the beauty of it, right, It just it's
the little Lebron and Michael Jordan argument. All it does
is waste time filled collumnses. And that's part of what
Silver had to say as well. It's like, well, I
guess they're talking about us, so I guess that's a win.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
You know, I gotta ask, isn't it tiring for Lebron?
First of all, you're one of the most recognizable people
on this planet. You're worried about playing for the Lakers.
You got your teammates, you got your family, you're worried
about Brodny. Do you really have to worry about the
press and Steven A.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
Smith?

Speaker 4 (27:22):
I mean people want to hear what you say about
basketball in China. I mean, don't you have enough to
worry about it. It's got to be tiring to be guarded.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
All the time, you know what I mean.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
It's got to be hard on him to have to
worry about everything that comes out of his mouth.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, the old I'm gonna steal from Spider Man here,
we're gonna stay in the MCU. See, you're getting no
pop culture stone unturned here. With great power comes great responsibility.
And if you want to declare yourself king, which he's done, right, right,
If you want to do that, that means everything you
do is going to be scrutinized.

Speaker 3 (27:58):
Right, I understand.

Speaker 5 (27:59):
It's the unfortunate part.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
You want to earn a billion as an entertainer, because
at the end of the day, this is just an
extension of Broadway in Hollywood, which is why I keep
joking about the soap opera actor Steven A. Smith, which
he actually is appears on General Hospital, so all of
this is soap opera acting.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
With his you know, low voice and all of that.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
And Lebron when he was with McAfee, does he really
just want to drop f bombs all over I've watched
enough interviews Sometimes you know, you do it for effect,
sometimes like hey, look I'm with the kids.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
You know, look at me.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
I can be cool. So you know, if you buy
into it, and the more you pay attention, and the
rabbit years are up. And you can't tell me that
for the most popular and best players of each of
their times, they didn't try to control things as best
they can of course the day.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
Right, but that's just it. It was a lot easier then.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
And here the hard part is, you know you've got
all your hangers on and sick of fans that are
going to tell you what everybody's doing.

Speaker 5 (28:59):
Do I think Lebron is, you know, scrolling Twitter endlessly?

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I hope not right, but maybe he is. Maybe he's
like everybody else who's talking about me.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
I look for a guy that has it all, and
I'm not saying he doesn't enjoy life.

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I'd like to see him be a little bit more happier.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
It doesn't seem like he's very happy during some times,
and we are certainly unfair to him at times. I mean,
what is exactly he's done that really should you know,
facilitate all the bad press and all the things being
said about him. And you know, sure, if you want
to keep it the basketball, that's one thing. But he

(29:37):
catches a lot of grief out there. He really does well.

Speaker 5 (29:40):
Again, you're the number one guy.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Every once in a while, he's had some some statements
that make you raise your eyebrows. We've had we had
the incident was there graffiti on his house or not?
Folks went at that like there's there's a bunch of
incidents of all, right, what's true, what's imagined, what's myth? Building?
And and to some part of the audience you're going

(30:03):
to fight back on that. Some of it is he
draws eyebrows no matter what you say. So if everything's
going this direction, what's the normal move, Well, we're gonna
go over here because that's going to get you attention
as well.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Right, So, I think a lot.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Of it is just wwe K fab as We've talked
about a lot in soap opera acting, and you've got
a lot of disingenuous actors, you know, the earnalist journalist
kind of thing that you don't believe ninety percent of
what you're saying, but because people are clicking on it,
you stay with it and you click right, but you
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Speaker 2 (31:42):
Now we're getting towards winning time. Nobody better to announce
its triumphant return than our guy, Steve de Sager at
the News Desk.

Speaker 8 (31:50):
One seed Auburn has taken the lead on Michigan. Under
ten minutes to go, it's forty nine forty eight. The
winner will face Michigan State Sunday, five pm Eastern Time
in the South Region Final in Atlanta. Michigan State advanced
over Ole Miss seventy three seventy. In fact, coach Tom
Izzo of the Spartans his record against SEC teams in

(32:10):
the NCAA Tournament is now ten to oh that's the
most wins without a loss by any coach against a
single conference in the history of the men's tournament. Currently
at Indianapolis, Yeah, Purdue gets to play there tonight. They're
leading at the half against one seed Houston Boilermakers thirty
one to twenty nine. Winner gets Tennessee Sunday. In the

(32:31):
Midwest Region Final, the Balls eliminated Kentucky seventy eight sixty
five Balls led by nineteen late in the first half.
In the women's Sweet sixteen, number one UCLA again playing
with its food in the first half, but now leading
fifty five forty two over Old Miss late in the
third quarter. Bruins did have just a one point halftime lead.

(32:52):
Victories for Dukes, South Carolina and LSU in the NBA
the late game to Denver one twenty nine to ninety
three over the US Utah Jazz, who have a record
of sixteen and fifty nine. The Grizzlies fired coach Taylor
Jenkins The Baltimore Ravens gave coach John Harbaugh on extension
through twenty twenty eight. Deon Sanders got a five year

(33:12):
extension from Colorado. The UFL Spring League started tonight on
Fox TV with Saint Louis winning at Houston thirty one
to six.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
That's my team.

Speaker 5 (33:21):
Well, there's the Kiss of death.

Speaker 8 (33:23):
NASCAR's on FS one again the next three Sundays. American
Alyssa lou won the figure skating World title tonight and
to Major League Baseball. Ex Dodger Jack Flaherty and La
Native Is pitching at Dodgers Stadium tonight. He had a
one hitter through five. The Dodgers Freddie Freeman has just
tied the game with a two run homer. Yes it is, Dodgers,

(33:44):
don't say that it is. Dodgers and Tigers tied two
to two in the bottom of the six. Padres and
Braves tied three to three in San Diego. In the
top of the seventh. The Mets got a solo homer
from Juan Soto and won at Houston three to one.
Tampa Bay on a walk off home run, edged Colorado
three to two. Toronto and Pittsburgh with wins Texas for
to one over Boston. Jonah him with a couple of

(34:06):
solo homers at Arizona Diamondbacks a six' to one leader
against The cubs bottom of the, seventh and The a's
are shutting out The mariners In seattle five to nothing
in the bottom of the. Seventh you referenced earlier in
the hour the opening day BASEBALL tv, Ratings, yeah had
a little bit of. Context THE nba games on NATIONAL
tv this year are averaging about one point six million.

(34:27):
Viewers Yankees brewers opener over one point nine million on cable,
yesterday and that was A thursday day, game Not thursday,
primetime just for the, record and then The tigers At
dodgers got one point seventy five mill right after.

Speaker 5 (34:42):
That pick to, you.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Know what helped That Brewers yankees. Game that was the
only feed that was working because it was ON Espn.

Speaker 4 (34:49):
Plus that was like Noon eastern though that was the
earlier or one o'clock, noon.

Speaker 5 (34:53):
Right but it was it was a game and started
as a.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Standalone right then the other game started to come on,
board but you couldn't watch the other games because THE
MLB tv, Service.

Speaker 8 (35:02):
So that was your free game of the.

Speaker 5 (35:03):
Day that was.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
It that is exactly What i'm. Saying Thanks, Steve steve
de sag you're at the news. Desk thanks to To
shay and To mary and The ian And brandon in the,
back and of Course Arnie spaniers sitting in For Jason.
SMITH i like the fact, that as you, said My
dodgers And steve tried to shush. You it's totally appropriate
you're in The smith seat tonight because everything he touches

(35:26):
and every team he predicts doing, well it goes to.
Hell so he doesn't want your voodoo on His, dodgers,
Right that's kind of What i'm saying. Here so just
JUST i, mean watch your. Back there's a lot Of
dodger fans, man a lot of, expectation all, right as
we continue here from the tyrack Dot.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Com Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Studios, uh there's a big push in football about a
certain rule and there's your teas and it offends me
that this is gaining. Traction we'll talk about it next On.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
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Speaker 2 (36:07):
Live Welcome back And Fox Sports Radio Jason Smith show With,
Me mike Carbon No Jason. Smith tonight it's already spanier
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big story that we FOLLOWED i with great. Interest adrian
And rocky yelled you can't. Win THE ncaa told a

(36:30):
couple of, teams, hey you can't. Play what's it all?
About we'll tell you in about ten. Minutes But Diana,
rossini making a name as an insider covering all THINGS,
nfl had the report that there's a consensus that the
there's a push towards banning the famous, push, push the brotherly,

(36:52):
shove whatever the case may.

Speaker 8 (36:53):
Be and.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
A story that has been just dating for a, while
right going back the last, season the greatness with which
and efficiency with which The eagles have run this, play often,
imitated rarely duplicated by other, teams not level the same
level of. Success and then we get to talk about
how Much jalen, hurts squats and. Everything back in two

(37:18):
thousand and, five they change the rule in THE nfl
to where you can't pull an offensive, player but pushing is.
Okay some that, argue, well you know you should get
rid of it will be, like, well you've got the leverage,
play so that's you, know that's something that you can
claim right where you can't use the offensive player to
raise up to block a field goal or an extra, point.

Speaker 4 (37:42):
Which is why they should have banned. It it's not a
normal football. Play this Is this is not you, know
when you're using a player to push another, player just
like you, said you can't use your own player to
help you catapult into the, Air and it's not a
normal football. Play it's it's not you, know when when

(38:03):
another teammate is helping you. OUT i got to draw
the line. There i'm gonna say it should have been.
Banned and that's the Way i'm waiting at. IT i
really think they should have taken it.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
Away, yeah if you had the the argument in your
back pocket that legitimately we could point to a number
of injuries that were caused by this right, THAT i
THINK i can get on board it in the, interim and,
yes it becomes how well do you.

Speaker 5 (38:30):
You, know, time the, snap, leverage all of those things
in terms of.

Speaker 3 (38:34):
Getting stopped a couple of.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
Times, no but that's the, point, right just because they
can't run it as effectively even With Josh. Allen why
why because The eagles do it, well should it be?

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Banned LIKE i JUST i just know it's.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Not because they do. Well it's not.

Speaker 4 (38:52):
That that's not the point we're arguing. Here it's when
you're pushing another. Player you got one player pushing another.
Player that's the part that bothers.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Me that's, WELL i, mean it's legal by the rules right, now.
Right they amended it so you can't pull the guy
by the shoulder pads, ahead and we've seen that at
times and in the, end if more teams were having
success with it and you did a full on ban of,
it than. Fine but you found they found one. Advantage,

(39:24):
Okay So Ben johnson can no longer call trick plays
right because it's really not a football play For Penny
sewol to be throwing a Pay you think.

Speaker 3 (39:32):
We're, changing you think we're changing too much of.

Speaker 4 (39:34):
IT i, mean we want to move the kickoff to
what the thirty five yard line if it's if it's
a touchback, now is that what they want to?

Speaker 5 (39:41):
Call that's. It we keep tinkering with. That LeVar on the.
SHOW i saw it in the The iHeart.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
Daily you could subscribe to the newsletter and get all
the updates from what we're doing here At Fox Sports,
radio in addition to keeping us on all your. Socials of,
Course LaVar, goes, well why don't you just get rid
of it at this? Point you just don't have kick.
Coughs if we're gonna every year look, about we're gonna
move it. Five, yeah this way we're gonna do. This,
now you can't engage.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Too much of.

Speaker 3 (40:07):
It it's too much of the.

Speaker 5 (40:09):
Game but that's the, thing right is you're never gonna be. Happy.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Right you have took some solace in that you had fewer,
injuries and now it's we're going to continue. Tinkering it's,
like didn't you find something that you kept talking about
the safety of the.

Speaker 5 (40:23):
Game didn't you find the answer to?

Speaker 3 (40:25):
That, hey you're always trying to make it.

Speaker 4 (40:28):
Better you always tried to make it, safer so you
know you want to go ahead and do.

Speaker 3 (40:32):
That that's what they're trying to work.

Speaker 5 (40:33):
On, NO i get, that but how much better does
that make?

Speaker 2 (40:36):
It?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
Yeah, yeah, right you start.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
At the thirty versus the thirty. Five who cares. RIGHT
a kicker three times a game can still kick at
the extra five, yards can't HE nz DOUBLE a games
coming down to it at least one of. Them auburn
now sixty four fifty, four five minutes. Remaining here's did
with a seven point lead early second. Half we'll get
back into THE nz DOUBLE a at a big ruling

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