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Jason Smith on the Epic Loss: “This is the most devastating loss in franchise history. I want to go live in the woods for a month by myself with no phone/TV or internet.”

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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(00:31):
Welcome in side hour three to Jason Smith Show with
my best friend Mike Harmon. My looking you okay, no, no, no,
as as the Immortal buys BG all right, as Marcello
Swallace one said, no, butch, I'm pretty far from okay. Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I was trying to figure out which movie you were
gonna go to now, and it came in to the
guy that had his soul taking out the back of
his head.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
No, butch, I'm pretty far from okay. I'm pretty far off. Okay,
not great, Bob, not great, Bob, not great, not great,
not great, not great, not great. After I mean it,
that's one. Yeah, I mean I go back, Hey, flip
side silver lining. No one's gonna be talking about Juan
Soda refusing to swing his first two at bats tonight.
That's fair.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, we were gonna talk about that, you and
I before the show. Yeah, you're having it out. Yeah
they're gonna win, but no, he's not swinging the bat.
Doesn't matter anymore.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
But the Knicks lose tonight and I and I'm telling
you as an as a Knick fan, as a as
a lifelong Nick fan, are you God? I can't quit.
I'm not a sports fan after tonight. Man, come on,
I can't blame you. I hate basketball. We haven't heard
you say that a long time. This is the most

(01:47):
devastating Knicks loss of all time, worse than the Reggie Miller.
Reggie Miller was eight points and nine seconds the Choke
signed to Spike Lee. Okay, and the Knicks won the series. Okay,
and the Knicks went on to win that series. This
is blowing a fourteen point lead, doing something that since

(02:08):
they were keeping track in the mid nineties, no team
in the history of the game had ever blown a
fourteen point lead with two minutes and forty five seconds
left to go in the game. Nine hundred and seventy
seven to zero. Now nine hundred and seventy seven and
one that's how devastating this is. The fact that's the
Pacers the Knick's biggest playoff rival for the past thirty years. Okay,

(02:29):
if you've been watching the last couple of days, look
at all the big highlights, right. The fact that Halliburton
hits the shot that bounces off the back of the
iron eight feet in the air back down through to
force overtime, and he does the choke gesture. That's a
highlight that's gonna live forever in NBA history. They're gonna

(02:50):
play the crap out of that thing for the rest
of my life, your life, and everybody unborn children are
going to see that highlight and go, wow, I can't
believe that. Yes, that was it. May of twenty twenty five,
the miracle comeback where all they did was keep hitting
threes and Aaron Nesmith hit six threes in the fourth
quarter and scores twenty points. He's not even their best player.

(03:11):
And then you go to overtime and Obi top and
is making the biggest shots of the game with two
dunks that give the Pacers the win. There is no
more devastating loss in Knick's history than tonight. I'm done.
I'm mentally shot again. I don't know how the Knicks
come back from this. I don't know how anybody comes
back from this. I get, hey, let's put a positive faces,

(03:32):
but dude, sometimes you gotta just understand, what did you
just see? And sometimes game ones are it's just game one,
and sometimes game ones are this the whole series. If
the Knicks came out lost by twenty in game two,
I'd get it. I can't say this though.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
This is the squad to a man that we've watched,
and they're resilient. Now, obviously, the final two and a
half minutes two fifty one plus overtime absolute chaos. And
I know for you, after the choke signal from Halliburton,
you've never wanted to win a game more because then

(04:10):
it goes into the ether.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
All right. He made the gesture.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
Nick's rally finished the job in ot instead, it lives
on forever.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
When we talk about Ni Smith and the game that
he had.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
He had eight twenty point games all season long, one
of which was against the Knicks going back to the
end of December.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
But generally a guy that is in the you know,
low teens.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
When you're talking about his output on a nightly basis
when he is an offensive threat, and so when he
finds the stroke, and they scored fifty one points between
the fourth quarter and overtime, eight to fourteen from three
point range and just absolutely caught fire. Eight assists, moving
the ball well, and that was one of the things

(04:57):
you saw.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Where the tired legs.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
And I had thought as we came on the air
two hours ago and we're watching the Knicks. They bought
Jalen Brunson such precious time in the second quarter. Okay, cool,
he's gonna be fresh. Then he gets in foul trouble again,
they're able to weather the storm. So all things point
to Nick Show. And then they have the defensive struggles,

(05:23):
trying to close out wide open, flying at guys, leaving
your feet right, all the principles of good defense. Don't
give up the space. Now you gave up the high ground,
and a kid I have the high ground, don't do it.
And wide open looks that they would hit time and
time again. So all of that to say everything that
could go wrong, and those final minutes did, so I

(05:44):
would feel confident that this isn't a team that's going
to turtle that you've got you know the reset that
while this is a miserable loss, it's one game.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Yeah, But the thing is, there's losses, and there's all
time losses. This is an all time.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Sure, all the stats that you've all cited, absolutely all time.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
You want you another one? Yeah? Since nineteen ninety seven, okay,
since nineteen ninety seven, about thirty years, teams leading by
nine points with fifty seconds left to go coming into
tonight were one thousand, four hundred and fourteen wins and
no losses. One thousand, four hundred and fourteen and oh

(06:29):
with fifty seconds left in a game coming into tonight?
What one that? Not one hundred and h not five
hundred and zh one thousand, four hundred and fourteen wins?
Make that for data? No loss?

Speaker 2 (06:43):
You know what's funny is I had to try to
really lay out for folks why the mister overrated thing
was statistically relevant because there were ninety guys.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Even if only fourteen voted for Haliburton, it's still was
statistically relevant of sample as a fourteen hundred plus certainly
is as well worst loss in Knick's history. And now see,
because the thing is, you know, I'm a firm believer
that in life when you when you have moments that

(07:15):
shock you, that don't go your way right, and there's
a different degree of moments that don't go your way
that that you wind up not realizing how big they
are at the time. You think, Okay, that's a big deal,
but you know, okay, you know, I'll I'll get past it,
and you don't realize until years later, going, man, that
really changed my life. I still think about that. It's
just absolutely terrible. It's awful. You don't think about, like

(07:35):
in sports, this is one of those moments, like strictly
sports wise, is what I'm saying. Yeah, like strictly sports wise,
this is one of those moments. I'm never gonna get
over this one. I really, I'm not. I'm really I
really like that the Nick's gonna win the series and
Nick's gonna win a game. Really, I mean, I don't know.
I don't even have fight for crazy Rick Carlisle and
smiling Tyrese Halliburton with the with the with the joke jo.

(07:57):
I don't have fight for that right now. I am
a bat guy. I am just down.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Because there were two guys that I really want beyond
obviously you and I knew. We were talking to Rick Buker,
who has what ridden the Lightning with us uh for
a long time here on Fox Sports Radio was Tyrese
Haliburton's dad, And now we're starting to get video of
him and his celebration and really, well we don't know

(08:23):
about Chala May, but we knew Spike Lee was in
can for the film festival. Yeah, it's like four in
the morning there.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Yeah. You think he stayed up in wat Oh sure
he did, no, sure?

Speaker 3 (08:32):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Now walking you know, did they get him a private
access the louver or something?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
Beauty? Yeah, he's on his way to Giannis. Hey, man,
come on in. We need you. We would, we wouldn't
have given up all those points at the end if
we had you. Hey, at least hey, there's your silver lining. Hey,
the Knicks loser series, they'll go get Giannis. There, there
is that, right.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I would suspect we might have had a little bit
of a sea change with the odds for his next
team over the last I don't know.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
But here's the thing. Right now, I want to go
live in a cabin in the woods for a month
with no phone, no internet, no television. I want to
I want to I want to catch my own food
and and hunt and and I'm not a hunter. I can't.
I got Basically, I want I want to go and
buy a bunch of food that that I can just

(09:28):
say okay and and just sit by a stream and
read and and no, no, no, no, I'm not not
that I need lights. Yeah, no, no no. I want
to just go and just not see or talk to
anybody for like a month, Like that's what I want
to do. I want to go for a month and
just and I you know, comfortable bed, you know, other

(09:49):
stuff going on, other people with me. No, you want
your loved one to know. I want no one. I
want absolutely no one. I want a bunch of books
that I've wanted to read. And that's because that's something
to do all day is I'm gonna go for walks
and I'm gonna read books. That's all I want to do.
I don't want to know nothing for a month. I'll
see you in a month, because I got this series.
You know that the Mets are gonna have the Dodgers
for six games the Yankees again, and that's not gonna

(10:09):
go great. And Sodo's gonna keep not swinging at pitches. No, no,
I want to not see anybody for a month. See.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
I just saw a promo for the upcoming Dodgers Mets
series and there's a game like I'd kind of like
that giveaway. Should I take the group out on a
field trip and we take a day off as a
group and go And it's like, I don't think that's
gonna help.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
So now it would be money poorly spent. Now, I
really I want to not see anybody for a month. Now,
I said this, so we got to hear. Look, I
don't even know if I have the energy right now
to fight this. You know how I feel about Rick
Carlyle and all the complaining he does about New York
while you were mocking him coming into the game. Rick Carlyle,
who never wanted to say things to fire up the
next right, he was always that guy. He's never won.

(10:49):
I don't want to fire up another fan another group.
But was asked following the game tonight about Halliburton's choke
gesture following the shot at the end of regulation. What'd
you think about that? Here's Rick Carlyle from just a
few minutes ago in his post in his giddy postgame
press conference, players can do with him will and it's
it's it's it's it's an emotional thing. This is a

(11:12):
difficult time of the year. So it's not a big
deal to me. And you know, I know Tyus is
erning the right to do whatever he wants. Okay. In
other words, blank you nix. How do you feel about that?
Do whatever? We He earn the right to do whatever
the hell he wants to. Okay, Okay, that that is
a guy feeling it right now.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
You didn't even get the politically correct now, you know
it's not something we really This is like, this is
like getting the Thrones game where I'm not just gonna
kill you.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I'm gonna kill you, cut off your head and put
it on the table while we all drink from the.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
From the from the get sinned, the signs of death
or whatever it is. I'm gonna pass your head around.
We're all gonna bat it with a pat like a pinata.
That's what that was, right there.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
All that happened in the Game of Thrones, right, But
that happened in Game of Thrones, right, Red wedding, I
don't know yet, but but I mean, you've had not
the won, but you've had a decade.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
I mean, they haven't really done anything new in that world.
I mean, but this is not I didn't watch it,
I won't watch it, so I don't care.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
The only look, the only silver lining. And again I
try to sell again, we're closer, to be honest, the
Mets one tonight, and I do get a little bit
of the Pacers feeling very self satisfied following this game. Well,
it's another huge comeback. It's something that they've now made
their brand, right as.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
You alluded to, right three times, doing this inside a
final minute.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So yeah, you're gonna lean into it. And I guess
you're going to lean.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
In the Shenanigans like choke signals from Halliburton.

Speaker 1 (12:49):
I don't know if I don't know if I want
Game two to be right now or in three months, Like,
I don't know, I don't know what I want. I might,
I might, dude, I'm telling you, I want to go
live in the woods for a month by myself. I
just want to go on myself to live. I mean,
I gotta have amenities because I'm, you know, in my fifties.
I gotta I gotta have a good bed. My wife
likes camping. I'm like, yeah, no, glamping is my thing. No,

(13:10):
but I need like a good bed, I need like
a comfortable couch. I need camping. That's that's yeah, he
wants place. The funny thing is when we did go
camping this summer. We went camping with a bunch of
friends and then, you know, for the night, it was
really cold, and I told Pam, I said, yeah, it's great,
we'll stay as late as you want. I want to

(13:31):
stay till really late in the morning. But then we're
going to a hotel to go to sleep. And that's
what we did. We went. We went to the hotel.
It might have been motel Sleeps. I don't know, it
was only it was only like a mile away. Went
we stayed in the hotel. But you know what, and
my wife is like, oh, she's such a big uh
like throwback camp or she love camping, and I like
camping to the extent, but I'm like, I really want
comfort now and I like my own bathroom in the
shower all that. So we go back after the whole night.

(13:53):
She goes, I can't believe we didn't stay. Ye, I said,
everybody's going to sleep. We'll go. We'll go back at
eight o'clock in the morning. It's fine. But we get
back to the hote Tell and we shower and go
to bed. My wife gets a Ben goes, no, I
kind of like this, I kind of, I admit, I
kind of like I say, I told you, I told you.
That's it. But that's what I want right now. The
woods for a month, Woods for a month, That's what
I want. Friday game two, let's go and and and again.

(14:16):
No no TV, no Internet. I'll you know, I'll take
the internet net with no I'll take a no sports internet.
That's what I'll take. A no sports internet. Can you
create that world? Uh? Yeah? And and uh and a
CD player so I could listen to music. I say, well,
I want to have that nun I want and no sports.
You're gonna have a bunch of songs that then remind
you of the Knicks. I'll just take. I'll just I'll

(14:37):
just listen, just listen to the songs that don't remind
me the Nicks and all why did you put that R. E.
M In HiT's the end of the world exit? Ut
about a Fresco exit? Swallen do We'll continue to hear
what Tyre's Halliburton Brunton in town spoke together. They were
pretty glum. No, that's the locker room word of the
day of New York the last couple of days. Gloom uh.

(15:00):
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Speaker 2 (16:24):
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Speaker 2 (16:40):
We're getting sued a cabin with amenities because I'm in
my fifties, nonsports, internet access, a CD player, fifteen books.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I'm good for a month. I'm good. I'm gonna reflect.
I'm gonna reflect on some of the life choices I
have made to get me to this point in my life.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Oh, I've been doing that a lot lately the last
couple of days. A lot of time alone with my thoughts.
There's a lot of voices fighting in there.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
It's not good. It's not good talk to people. Yeah, no,
I don't need to talk to I don't know. You
can't go and hide.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
And that's when the voices get louder. No, I'm okay
to choke signaled with you. It's gonna stay with me forever,
at least I have a month away from it. They're
gonna play that again.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I mean, hearned the right he did. The Tyres Halliburton
choke thing is gonna it's it's already one of the
biggest highlights in the history of the NBA because there
I know they're gonna play it. When the like when
the butt fumble happened, I knew. I said, they're gonna
play this thing for the rest of my life. Certain things.
I know. This highlight is going to live forever, and
it has and it will. And this Halliburton, the Halliburton

(17:44):
jumper in the choke Jester, gonna live forever.

Speaker 2 (17:46):
But the going because you guys and your squad could
have made him look like the ultimate ass right if
he did the choke job, and then you end up
winning that game in overtime. He becomes, uh, yeah, but
spoil the overrated whatever, spoil what you did. But you
had the chance.

Speaker 1 (18:04):
They ran on the court selling chest and still they
won in overtime on the next floor at MS, I
mean lost. It's the way. It's the shock spoiler alert.
It's again, it's the worst Knicks loss, the most fourteen. Yeah, yeah,
you know the you know who else was up by
fourteen with two and a half left to go. A
thousand other teams, nine hundred and seventy seven other teams

(18:26):
since they've been keeping track. Only since they've been keeping track.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Yeah, and they may have been they may have all
had scary moments, but they all only.

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Since they've been keeping track. That's the whole point. Now,
it's only going back to the mid nineties that were
nine seventy seven to zero.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
But you know what the other thing is that you know,
I'll make you feel better because you can go and
attack him you can't is Frostburg was on your side
until this series started, and all of that good will.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, he said the hell with it.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
He burned that bridge, he torched it and said, well
I'm back over here. I mean, this is like a
WWE heel turn. It's like what John Cen is going
through right now. Right he had the big heel turn,
sold his soul to the rock final boss, all this stuff,
and now he's not used to ever being the bad guy,
so psychologically he's going through it. That's what I mean.

(19:20):
Frostburg did. He had that heel turn, and now he
wants to be He went face and was on your side.
He's more comfortable being the heel. He's the anti sena.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, yeah, game one. I'm trying, but nothing else. May
do nothing nothing sometime. Look, you want me to just.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yell at you some can I interrupt you a bunch?
Would that make you mad? So he can be mad
at me? I mean, what can I do?

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Here's here's the thing, and this is this is what
I always tell my team coaching them when we would
lose a big game or something would happen not going
our way, whatever, we we'd have a bad couple of game,
whatever it was, whether it was soccer or softball, I
would say the same thing. You know, I I'm not
gonna say like if it was a big tournament or
a playoff game we lost, and I said, I would say, Look,

(20:05):
I said I'm not gonna sit here and tell you, hey,
everything is okay, everything's fine, don't worry about it, because
there is a lot to to to take away from
understanding what just happened, what you just went through, and
now coming back stronger from it. There's a lot to say.
I'm not gonna say it's oh, don't worry, don't worry,
to worry. It's like you know, like like like kids
need to know and people need to know that, all right,

(20:27):
when when bad things happen, you got to deal with them.
You can't just say don't worry, don't worry and move on, no,
because that's not great for your for your progression mentally, right,
you got to understand when when bad things happen, I said,
but just understand, digest it, and we'll come back stronger
from it. And I believe and I believe that. But
there's certain losses that I'm just just I just go, Okay, Uh,

(20:51):
this is gonna be with me for the rest of
this loss is going to be with me for the
rest of my life. The rest of my life.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's gonna be Remember when Letterman had to take a
leave of absence here he had the heart issue he
came back, and he goes, describe it this way. They
say that which doesn't kill you makes you stronger, right,
he goes, No, I'd like to change that. It messes
you up and you're lucky to ever get it together again.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Yeah, yeah, the hole, it doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Like No, I think it can wear you all the
way down to where, hey, you're really you're really close. Man.
You can start quote the Wicked if you want to. Yeah,
I change for the better. We had enough with I
think we had enough with from yeah right there. I mean,
we can quote some random Chicago Peter Sata songs while
we're I'm really there's nowhere to go man, that the

(21:38):
pacers are jumping up and down on the knicks right now,
and Carlisle's jumping up and down and halliburt I mean, really,
so many twists and turns in this and it's just
it's just it's just bad.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
This is like at the end of the First Terminator
when when Schwarzenegger gets crushed and the light goes out.
That's what nineteen eighty four, Boiler eighty four. You haven't
seen it by now? Is it nineteen eighty four or.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
Is it the future?

Speaker 2 (22:07):
You just blew my people who were born in twenty
fifty that came back to now and haven't seen it
yet because it's about the future.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Just broke my mind. Nothing we could do. We'll have
more on the more on this game coming up in
a little bit. I have one one other.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Question first though, go ahead, What the hell happened to
the court in the fourth quarter where suddenly everybody was slipping?

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Josh Hart lost his feet? How many times? I think?
I think clearly, Rick Carlisle, you didn't see he was
wetting the floor with the water.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
A little sprits going out there. And let's not forget
the goaltend that should have been called. Yeah, that turned
into a three point mate going the other way. Now
there was no Stoppagen play again.

Speaker 1 (22:49):
All of this falls under the umbrella of most devastating
loss in Knick's history. Throw miss. Like when I think
back now in my life to the worst losses my
teams have had in my life, Like I go back,
like the Jets, I can give you, like I can
give you like fifty enough and we don't have that
much time. Like like the Knicks, I go back to
Game seven of the NBA Finals when John Starks just

(23:10):
stopped shooting. Man, it's not your night, right. I go
back to that. I go back to the Church and
Miller game, and this game is right there, Like, this
game is right there. It's right there with okay because
of everything that went on and again since the mid nineties,
team's up by nine points with fifty seconds left. Say
one thousand, four hundred and fourteen wins and no losses

(23:32):
until tonight. That should tell you about, Oh yeah, we'll
get over for the next game. Now, how do you
get over that? How do you get over fourteen fourteen?
And oh, it's like the Globe Trotter's record against the Generals,
they were two. Come on, man, he spit in a bag.
Take it. Uh No, it doesn't mean this is the

(23:55):
only thing we had drama in because we had big
drama in the NFL earlier. Today. Oh we are more.
There's a line up in a few big owners meetings
today in the NFL, and the biggest thing we found
out is that the tush push sticking around. We thought
it was gonna be done, but Jeffrey Lorie, a Eagles owner,
spoke for about an hour about the importance of keeping

(24:17):
the tush push, said a couple of things that, according
to reports, may not be so super cool, talked about
his dreams. But the tush push is staying now. Overall
it would The vote was twenty two to ten, needed
twenty four votes to ban the tush push. That the
Eagles run to near perfection. Well not so much in
the last year or so. But now the tush push

(24:39):
gets to stay. And the first thing I'll tell you is,
this is such an overblown story. The tush push is
such an overblown story. When the Eagles first started doing it, yes,
it was really almost unstoppable, but teams have started to
stop it. You have three or four teams do it
better than everyone. I guess it right, But the Eagles

(25:01):
came up with a play that is legal that you
can do. Now. It doesn't work all the time for
the Eagles. The Eagles and the Bills are the two
teams that it works the best for. But ask Josh
Allen and the Bills how the tush push works. And
you're trying to get a first down in Kansas City,
when you think you've passed the first down line and
the referee from the other side of the field overrules
the referee on your side of the field and says sorry,
no first down, say football. Ask him how that is.

(25:24):
It's not as overwhelming. It's not as overwhelmingly stoppable as
it was a year ago. Right. Teams are starting to
figure it out, and there's no reason to ban something
just because a team figures out a way to do it.
It would be just upset teams. A boy, we can't
figure out a way to do it. You have to
figure out way to do it. Get the heaviest guys
in the league on your offensive line. That's the Eagles have, right.
You see all that beef on the offensive line that

(25:46):
can move the piles forward. They're just as good as
it with Jason Kelsey retired. Right, No, supposedly Jason Kelce
is a key to all of it. No, it's not.
He steps the football and falls down, right, That's how
it works. That's how you do it. How you get
that point and you push. If you have an offensive
line that is built that big, you're gonna be able
to pull this off. It's why the Eagles do. Right.
You want to stop it, put the big guys on

(26:06):
the defensive line. Put your biggest guys out there when
it gets to fourth and one for the touch push.
This is such an overblown story, and I feel like
this is taken on in proportion of how big a
play it is in the NFL. It's not that big
a deal. Yes, you find the toush push, but you
gotta do it when it's fourth and one, fourth in
less than the yard. You can't do it on fourth
and two. You can't do it on fourth and three. Right,

(26:28):
you do it both, but fourth and one or less. Yeah,
certain teams can do it. Now you realize it's not
going anywhere, you will find a better way to stop it.
And teams have stopped it more last year than they
have not. Like again, three or four teams do it
really successfully. But I could go back and say, well,
guess what. All these other teams execute these specific plays
better than anybody else. And these are not plays that

(26:50):
people want banned. Right, You're talking about certain certain running plays,
certain passing plays that team's right because the quarterback is
that go to the wide receivers. Hey, guess what, you
could back shoulder fade because they know the communication. It's
an unstoppable play when you can back shoulder fade the
way when you can put the ball in a spot
where the dB has to stop one way or the
other when you get it. But that's not a play

(27:11):
that people want banned. This is I really I think
the attention on this play was is just way too
much for where it should be. I mean, all these
meetings and owners getting mad and getting mad at each
other and and cursing in the meeting today when Jeffrey
Lorie talks for an hour about keeping this play, I'm like,
is it really worth this? I mean, is it really?
Is it really work? And obviously it's something that the

(27:33):
league is split on because supposedly, going into the vote
today it was sixteen sixteen, right, which is not even
close to getting it together. But it got a little
bit closer at twenty two to ten, So okay, you
were able to sway a couple of people. Even Jerry
Jones said, I flip flop on the thing. But yeah,
I don't know. But you know, he's still voted to
ban it because it's the Eagles, so of course he's

(27:54):
not gonna not ban it. Well, the Eagles do it,
we can't, So yeah, I'm gonna still ban that, even
though I'm saying a flip flop on it. So yeah,
I mean this, this whole thing. I feel like from
the beginning, the tush push, it's it's being treated like
like it's too big a deal. All right, Yeah, I
get that it's a story, but I feel like the
tush push is a story, Like, hey, should we keep
the toush push? Should we reseed the playoffs so the

(28:16):
teams are the best records have the higher seeds than
the teams are the worst record just because you want
a division. Like I feel like all these rule changes
are on the same wavelength, like, hey, let's let teams
have the on side kick anytime they want to. Now
they're doing that this year. Still have to tell people
it's tell them it's coming, and you can line up
a yard closer to uh to where. So that's gonna

(28:36):
make things more interesting, but maybe we get a little
bit of chaos. Yeah, that's kind of where I feel
like the whole tush push should be. Like it's like, Okay,
here's a rule change, but it's really it's not. It's
not like the Eagles are are are winning every single
game because they can. They can accomplish the tush push, right,
they Yes, it helps on fourth and ones. But you
know what other teams have fourth and one place. You
should be able to execute a fourth and one play,

(28:57):
whether it's a toush push or not. You should have
a play for one yard in your playbook that you
can make it. If you don't make it, it's because
you didn't execute.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, I mean, look, they might be able to do
a fourth and two, fourth and three because you go
to the rugby scrumm of at all and Ben Jonson saying, well,
I like something.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
That's more explosive.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
It's like, I can't wait until they fail on fourth
and one for that quote to start coming back when
the Bears, Ah, you ran a fourth and one didn't work?

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Huh?

Speaker 2 (29:23):
I mean, because how many teams have been looking for years?
What was one of the criticisms with Philip Rivers You
couldn't run a quarterback sneak.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
It's an elegant play. It's not sexy, but it's effective.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And especially when we're still at the point where we
haven't fully integrated the chip and a ball to tell
us exactly where someone was down, which is still going
to be a problem, by the way, under a pile
that we're looking at a play that is always going
to have an issue. Are you gonna ban quarterback sneaks
all together? You know what, you can't run that play.

(29:54):
It's Tom Brady ran it so effectively rolling off tackle
for all those years, and you saw it with great
success for Roethlisberger and others bigger quarterbacks. Josh Allen, as
you mentioned, still does like that place sucks. I mean,
it's not sexy. Do you ban that all together? Tyreek Hill,
you can outrun all guys in one on one coverage.

(30:16):
We can't run it because it requires a safety to
roll over the top to help.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Is that like? And I know that's been brought up
in the past and as.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
A joke, But the whole time Lourie's presentation, did you
not picture Richard gear in Chicago, right, wearing a glittery
suit and tap dancing and singing.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
The whole time? It was an hour and which owner said, dude,
is there any more blank you need to say about this?

Speaker 2 (30:41):
Like you really need the forty nine ers finally spoke
up said hey, what.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
The heller on it? Like you need five minutes on?
And you had to bring Jason Kelsey. I know, right,
we need five So yes, Star look out from to
number two five minutes on the toach post, and really
he spoke. I can't believe guys just didn't leave the
room going dude, I'm leaving. And I get it.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
You don't want it to become like what Washington did,
where it's trying to dive and duck in whatever to
where you got multiple penalties, and now it becomes the
final two minutes of a college football game or a
college buckets game that takes forever, but whatever, way too much.
Figure out the other parts of the game. Go back
to the chip and the ball, the pylon, all of

(31:19):
these things where we can figure out where balls should
be spotted. Far more important than the tush push time
not to find out what's trending in the wide world
of sports. So someone who's been called the Jerry Jones
of Fox Sports Radio, she also flip flops a lot.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
Oh it's Monty Belanos.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
He's a wealthy man. So I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
I'll take it because I've seen you flip flop on
the clippers. We're great, we steak, We're great, we steak.
Now I've seen you that The truth, Yeah, I think
that the truth.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
Facts, facts, Uh yeah, the NBA Playoffs, Game one of
the Eastern Conference Finals didn't go is I think most
of us expected. With about two minutes to go, as
the Knicks were up fourteen points, Pacers force ote on
a comeback that included a ridiculous long two from Tyrese Halibur,

(32:15):
and Indiana goes on to win one thirty eight to
one thirty five. Haliburn, who ended with thirty one points
and eleven assists and did the Reggie Miller choke gesture,
did say after the game that he thought it was
a three because I would have ended the game. He
said if he knew it was a two, he would
not have done that and that he probably won't do
it again. Aaron Nee Smith hit eight threes, scored twenty

(32:38):
points in the fourth quarter, ended with thirty points. Jalen
Brunson and the loss had forty three points.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
Thunder Star Shei.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
Guildris Alexander won the NBA's MVP Award. No surprise there.
In the NHL, the Stars came back to defeat the
Oilers six to three. Dallas scored five goals in the
third period. Game two is going to be on Friday.
In baseball, one game still going on The Angels just
added another run. Little insurance. Now they're up on the

(33:05):
A's seven to five. It's the top of the eighth inning,
and they do have a man on first and second
and all their outs to go for this inning. The
Dodgers have defeated the Diamondbacks three to one. They just
got Hane This had a three shot grant, a three
shot home run. The Phillies had back to back home
runs run from Trey Turner and Bryce Harper as they
defeated the Rockies nine to five. The Blue Jays shut

(33:27):
out the Padres fourteen zero. The Yankees they walked it
off on a Jason Diminge's home run to beat the
Rangers four to three, while the Mets outscored the Red
Sox five to one and the Oil the Orioles. They
won one guys, they snapped their eight game losing streak.
They beat the Brewers earlier today eight to four in
eleven innings. And other news in the NFL, Yes, you

(33:49):
were just talking about the pushbush still gonna stay legal.
In twenty twenty five, the Lions withdrew their proposal to
change playoff receding, and teams are now allowed to do
an on side kick at any point if they are
trailing in the game.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Back to you guys, Thank you very much, Moncie. I
get some thoughts on on that on sidekick, because I
think that's a really big deal. But we'll get to
that coming up in a bit. But how about this
straight ahead, a huge NBA story from today that I
absolutely love. I absolutely love this story. It's coming up
next right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio. Be
sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show

(34:24):
with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven pm Pacific.
I'm bringing the Pacers back. You're not playing. No, no, no,
no no, I will yeah, no, no, no, no, come on,
no stop this song right away. I'll tell you why.
Stop the song right away. I'll tell you why stop
this rite and stop stop you can't dance. Two thousand

(34:47):
and six stop no stop. I'll tell you why. I'll
tell you the story. I'll tell you why. You just
now I got PTSD from this and now it's your fault.
Tight shirt. Two thousands to stop. Two thousand and six
Mets and the Cardinals NLCS right Yeah, as you know,
Cardinals won and went to the World Series Okay, this

(35:09):
was the Timo Perez. He makes one of the great
catches in baseball history. But of course the Mets lose
the game, so it just gets lost. The game where
Carlos Beltran struck out looking with the bases loaded in
two outs, the Mets losing by a run, and that
ends game seven, right, I mean, noted cheater, but future
Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran watching that pitch on three

(35:30):
and two, and I could see the hump of the
curveball and I'm I want to yell, curveball, curveball, and
Beltran sits and watch it strike three. The Mets lose
and the Cardinals go to the World Series that day.
That day, flew back to New York for vacation. Okay,
I flew back to New York for vacation. And I

(35:52):
flew back. I hadn't seen my family in a while. Okay,
had to my family in a while. We go back.
Everybody's excited. Everybody in the plane get off the plane
wearing Mets hats on it. It's it's amazing, right, the
energy of the city. And I just go back to
New York. I'm not going to the game. Let's go
back to watch. All of my family goes out to
watch this game. Right, my cousins, all my cousins I
grew up with. I hadn't seen them. And we go

(36:13):
to this bar. Then my cousin, she's ten years younger
than I, and she goes, Oh, I got this great
ball we're gonna go to. It's gonna be great. It's
gonna be great. I go, well, are we all?

Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (36:20):
No, I go here all the time. I know the owner.
It's a Wednesday night. We're gonna get because you know
she has a big New York accent. Sure, it's a
Wednesday night. We'll get big tables. We'll get take care.
They got like they got like all the big beer
pong tables we could play at. They got the game
on all the TVs. Trust me, trust me. I go,
but is it gonna be a big crowd. No, they'll
take care. Don't worry. We grab So we go to
the bar and it's great, right because nobody is there.

(36:43):
It's a great place. Wednesday night. We have the run
of the whole place. Right. So we're watching the game.
It comes down to the end and we're basically the
whole bar right here at it like, there's like twenty
of us. It's like a family reunion, right for this game,
there's like twenty of us, and I'm staying. I'm on
the and I'm on the edge of my seat. Everybody
is yelling and screaming. And then that pitch happens and

(37:05):
I close my eyes because as soon as that ball
landed in Molina's glove, I said, that's strike three. And
I see the ump call and I just go I
can't believe that, right, So I am just absolutely gutted.
So it was my closest chance at the world. Sere like, Okay,
we're back, we're back, We're back the pit. The game
is not over for not even five seconds. Okay, not

(37:27):
even five seconds. And the owner of the bar, who
is devastated to who knows how devastated we are, grabs
a microphone and says, hey, just because the game ends
doesn't mean we can't have fun.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
And he plays that song, yeah, the beginning of Sex
Come Back, and he plays it just like this, I mean.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
We can't have a good time. Hey, we're here. You
know we still left drinks two for one about what? No, dude,
the night is over.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
The night is over. Wait, let's go. It's over. It's over.
Bar closes at three forty five, last call, let's get
it on, It's over.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
You got o five and a half hours of chaos.
It is, it was over everything that people are gonna
spill in in sexy time. And every time I hear
this song, Troy, you make a friend, I'm brought back
to that moment of seeing that strike three and I
close my eyes and I think, and I just get depressed,
and I get sports depressed. And every time I hear
the beginning, every time I hear it because it's so

(38:27):
but I can just hear it. Not five seconds strike three,
The Cardinals are going to the World Series, Hey everybody,
And then boom, song comes in. You had now Okay,
So this song, this song out of rotation, out of rotation, yeah,
at least till.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
The end of this next year. Almost sounds like a
guy from Storage Horse. Yeah over, I've already done.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Yeah it is I yeah, Oh you played that tight
shirt like that's just like now I'm thinking of the
worst losses that I've done you since too that why
don't you play?

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Doug Bryant's two missed field goals against the Steelers in
the playoff game in two thousand and seven to play that.
Give him a minute. I mean he's gonna second minute
to find it, but he'll he'll get there.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
That was That was, you know. I was ready to
come on and talk about an NBA story that I love,
which a lot to do now in a few minutes,
ready to but Tysher played that. It brought me back.
It's like in the movie when the when when the
guy hears a song or someone says something and then
and then you get the flashback because it reminds him
of something like, That's what happened to me right there
as soon as I get a.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Thousand yards stare and it's one of those like the
uh you ever see the mashup of Saving Private Ryan
with Metallica's one Yes the Bat Damon standing there?

Speaker 1 (39:41):
Yeah? What it is?

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Burner not to be confused with the original Metallica video
for one with Johnny got his Gun Tonight.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
I really I didn't need that tonight, man, I didn't.
If you like I'm close to breaking, man, you're gonna
actually took you far to break.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Me, too much further down the the to the ledge,
like you're walking the plank more so than you were.
Like the actual game. I was amazed watching you as
we're going through it.

Speaker 1 (40:15):
And while you.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Were very angry and terse in your verbiage, your demeanor
did not change. I was pretty impressed. You didn't let
yourself get too high or too low, at least externally.
But I can see the inner torment has really come
and the lights of your eyes have gone out.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
I'm in that that dolls. I'm in that adventure movie
where the person tries to make it through the military
and all the all the leaders try to do is
just try to break you. Yeah, and if they don't
break you, know, you could be a Navy seal Like
I'm at that breaking point right now. So hey, time

(40:54):
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