Best of the Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon

Jason and Mike tell you why the Pacers brought Tyrese Haliburton’s dad back for tonight. The WNBA is clearly not able to handle success yet. Shohei Ohtani hits his 20th HR of the season. And Jason reacts to the Knicks losing Game 4 to the Pacers!

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Speaker 1 (00:30):
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here we are. We jump in right away. Final twenty
seconds of the third quarter. The Pacers lead the Knicks
in a pivotal game four one ninety one, also known

(01:15):
as the tyres Halliburton game. Well, I mean he's going
to the Hall of Fame off of this game. Twenty
eight points, fourteen assists, and eight rebounds, not even through
three quarters of the game. This is where Tyrese Halliburton
is at the night he is having. Now you know
why the Pacers said, Hey, we got to bring your
dad back.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Look they're patting themselves on the back, going, yeah, we
brought your dad back at the right time. Look at
this game, you ever, one of the greatest games in
NBA playoff history. We did the right pat yourselves on
the back.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You did the right thing.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
It's the complete opposite of Jamie Tart when his dad
showed up. He just could not play here all world
Jacob himself Hall of Famer Jamy tu Ai is catchy.
I'll tell you what, absolutely true. Look, I'm stunned, honestly,
the game is this close right because here we are

(02:05):
twenty seconds ago on the third quarter, and the Pacers
has simply done everything they've wanted to do offensively in
this game, everything they've wanted to do. The knickser lost
on almost every defensive possession. There's a Pacer wide open
for three at the end of the shot clock, there's
an easy path to the hoop. I don't know if
Brunson is missing some defensive assignments up top, but offensively,

(02:28):
the Pacers have done everything. Halli Burton has done anything
he wanted to. They're playing at the pace they wanted to,
which is they want to go up and down the
court fast. They want to be able to hold Jalen
Brunson down and make him dribble the ball up court
and the pressure him as often as he's on the floor.
I mean, the Pacers have done everything they've wanted to,
They've played at the pace they've wanted to, and yet
it's a ten point game like this should be. The

(02:49):
Knick should be down twenty five at this point. I
can't believe it's honestly, it's this close. Well, they've doubled
up on turnover too, Nicks with fourteen to the Pacers seven,
but they've made it count at the foul line. Twenty
six of twenty nine last couple of minutes have been
a wrestling match, and curiously officiated in the process Benedict Mathern.

(03:10):
I would put him, I would just call him the
menace because at some point Kat or somebody is just
going to haul off on him. He has tackled Jalen
Brunson at least twice in the last two minutes, and
they're they're really just beating the hell out of bruns
and seeing if they'll react at this point getting into
the end of the third quarter. But that first half

(03:33):
from Halliburton was a clinic. I mean, to rebound short
of a triple double in the first half. What he did,
Joe jaed, you know, looking at lines and having some
fun with it as we do here. His over under
for points, rebounds, and assists was thirty five and a
half for the game. Yeah, he got you. You're feeling
pretty good when you can celebrate down and a half
the bills before Halft, I was all right, you're looking

(03:55):
bill with at the before the last time out official
time out of the second quarter, I mean, imediately going
to live wagering opportunities. What has the market given me?
I'll tell you man, It is an eleven point lead
for the Pacers going to the fourth quarter.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
Now.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
The only thing I can say is, well, Nick's got
to where they want him right. Hey, down eleven going
to the fourth quarter. Hey, we're good. Man, this is
what we wanted. We love being down ten eleven points.
We go to the fourth quarter, it's our quarter, let's go.
But I'm telling you nothing's gonna matter unless somehow defensively
they can flip the script in the fourth quarter. Because real,
I mean, you watch the Pacers offensively, and Haliburton gets moving,

(04:29):
He's got a lot of space and and I don't
know if it's just panic. I don't know if the
Knicks are losing their assignments, but they're just allowing the
Pacers to do anything they've wanted. I can't believe Pacers
miss as many shots aid they're shooting fifty five percent
from the floor. I can't believe it's it's that low.
Like I really I missed that, man. I feel like
they haven't missed one, like since the early part of
the second quarter. Well you're, oh, now Martin with the three,

(04:50):
that's the last miss. That was eighteen minutes ago in
game time. Like real, The fact that it's the eleven
point game is stunning to me. So I want to
think that, Okay, maybe it's there. But at the same time,
I mean, the Pacers hoops, they're easy hoops. There's no
because like every time down the floor for the Knicks,
specially especially with Brunson. Yes, they want to slow it down,
so he's gonna try to, you know, try to back

(05:11):
the defender down and try to turn the lane and
try to find somebody. The Knicks baskets are all work right,
and you need some kind of easy stuff right obviously,
but the Knicks offense is not bad so far, but
defensively you also need to make them the other team
work a little bit. And I don't see any plays
where I feel like, hey, the pay boy. That was
something that was Halliburton with two guys on him and

(05:32):
the step back three or here he was in the
lane and he leans into the contact like the hoops
are just too easy. There's you got. You gotta make
him work at some point down the floor. Well, the
other part is we were watching final a couple of
minutes of the first half and as the third quarter began,
all the fifty to fifty balls fell to Indiana right
the thud to the side of the rim, So you're

(05:54):
in perfect rebounding position if it was a true rebound.
Instead it comes short, so it's an easy flow. There.
There was another play that ball goes up, you've got
two rebounders. Somehow it scorts out to a guy who's
literally sitting on his ass to trigger a shot. Now,
Halliburnon missed the three, but it was indicative of the
way the prior two to three minutes a game time

(06:15):
had gone, where the ball is just finding the feet
of the Indiana Pacers for another wide open look or
a trigger back inside for the knick side of it. Again,
they're taking care of business at the file line twenty
six of twenty nine. Thus far brunts at eleven of
twelve taking a beating. But you've seen it. There's no
easy layups, there's no transition. You don't expect to win

(06:40):
that time and again against the squad, right, you don't
want to run against the Pacers given their depth, and
they were pretty judicious with the minutes for Jalen Brunson
again in the second quarter, he got a nice long rest,
figuring he's gonna wear some heavy minutes here down the stretch.
But defensively, he's sitting at a minus sixty lost getting

(07:01):
bumped off the block and again if you're not gonna
call the the fall as he's trying to get through
a screen and those kind of things consistently, because it's
like any other sport, right you watch with your kids,
soccer game, any of you out there, or youth basketball whatever,
you're not calling all the falls because you can't, right,
And that's certainly what's happened in this playoff series where

(07:24):
you start pushing the boundaries of how much can I
get away with a body or a hand hand check
or do you have to really leave an imprint of
all four fingers across the guy's wrist and go, hey, Rev,
I'd like a challenge on this one, because that's what
we're seeing, a lot of a lot of holding down
on rebounding attempts. So big challenge. Fourth quarter coming up.

(07:47):
So here we are again, an eleven point lead for
the Pacers over the next fourth quarter, just underweight. Now
we make a big deal obviously. John Halliburton, Tyre's Halliburton's
dad dad at the game tonight for the first time
since getting banned because he couldn't control himself and had
to troll Giannis after the Pacers eliminated the Bucks a
couple of weeks ago. So he gets to come back
to the game tonight and now look, I don't think

(08:07):
there's any I don't think there's any any question as
to Hey, like I said, they did the right thing.
We brought him back at the right time because look
at the night Halliburton's having. Now, Frostburg says, we have
the pregame speech right of Halliburton and speech.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
It's more of a chat between him and.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
Pops, a chat between Tyres and his dad. We have that.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Okay, Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon Exclusive.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Okay, let's say so this is Tyres and John Halliburton pregame.
All right, let's go.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Do you want to hear it? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:32):
I got it. I can hear. I got to hear
what spurred Tyrese Halliburton onto this incredible night Wait for it?

Speaker 3 (08:40):
Ready?

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Yeah, I'm dude. Everybody's ready, man waiting with baby breath.
You hear me. It's gonna make you proud, Daddy. I'm
gonna make you so proud.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
You made you that proud.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
You're gonna be so proud, proud, proud. That is really emotional,
that had really gotten that is I'm now affected as
this uh fourth quarter?

Speaker 3 (09:10):
You know what promise?

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
No again, daddy proud he did?

Speaker 1 (09:13):
I mean there was a lot of back and forth
on Matt, make me proud. I will. I think I will.
I got it. I think we'll do it. I think
we got Okay, I'll make you proud. Well, I may
not just asked and answered, you know, the knowing nod
or anything. It's a deep resonance to that exchange, which
makes me say, if you, if you have the opportunity,
you know, call call your dad, call your grandpa, call

(09:34):
that person in your life and say that if he's
been banned from a game, and make sure he's okay.
But no, I mean, do I make you proud if
he's not? I mean, where where can I now? Speaking
of Dad's being banned from games? Okay, speaking of dad,
forget dad tonight. I bought my dad a ticket for
the the Yanche game tonight. He is down there and

(09:55):
Anaheim Berry sent me a picture from his seats already
he parked in Ron Washington spot. He said to me,
tell him how he's in is to play first base.
Watch He calls me right, because I told you last.
I went to the game this past week, and when
when I saw the Angels in the Marlins A lot
easier to get tickets for that right, well, just a
little bit, and uh, you know, and I tell I
always tell you how great it is. And you get
you get service at your seat, they bring you food.

(10:17):
It's fantastic at Angels games. I mean, the thing is
you have to watch the Angels. But uh, my dad
gets down there and my dad said, so I decided
to splurge for preferred parking. And I said, okay. He
goes and he calls me when he gets there. He goes,
you know where I'm calling you from right now? I go,
all right, what happened? Like he's called me on the
way into work. And when he calls me, I'm like, okay,
what's going on with something?

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Dad?

Speaker 1 (10:36):
What's going He goes, you know, I'm calling you from
my dad never says that I'm calling you from right now.
I'm like, okay, prison, hello dad, you and I'm in jail?
Are you in Are you in Angels jail? Are you
in like a jail under the stadium? Did you get arrested?
What happened? See in bootleg merch? He goes, I'm in
my parking spot and I'm about twenty yards from walking
right into the stadium. Now, how much is preferred Parking

(10:58):
Angel Dadium for my dad, who's a vet. Uh oh,
there's a discount for a vet. I think it's like,
oh yeah, we had well, we had to actually had
the vet discount at the playoff game with the Mets
and the Dodgers last year. We had they let They
saw him and they said, hey, come on right through
because he's got the Vietnam Vet everything. As soon as
we pulled up, they go, no, sir, come right through here.
We're like, oh wow. My dad gives the wave and

(11:19):
they waved him. Yeah they did. And then my dad
came out and he had a big hat on, he
had the sunglasses on. He took him off. Does he
wear all that every time he can?

Speaker 4 (11:28):
Did?

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Just see what kind of discounts he can get. Yes,
he wears it. When he goes to Pavilions to go
to the supermart. I'm just walking in. He's got wristbands on.
In the whole nine yards. This uh twelve pack of
Guinness is uh sixteen dollars? Not yes, sir? Oh oh sir, no,
so he got nine dollars. That's what I thought, thank you.
So he calls the guy. He goes, I'm twenty yards
from walking into the stadium and he says, I'm just

(11:49):
gonna kind of saunter my way in and get there
for batting practice. He was so excited to get Did
he really use the term saunter though, Yeah, oh yeah, no,
my dad and I, Oh that's great, my dad get
some next level stuff. You'd be surprised because you see,
you know, when my dad comes on the show, some
of the things he says, right, you'd be surprised. My
dad is one of the smartest people I've ever met.

(12:09):
Like some of the things that he that he says
and comes up with, and the way he can do that.
The New York Times crossword puzzle on Friday and penn
in about a minute and a half where he just
goes along, go, wow, there were you know, thirty seven
across clues. You've only got thirty five of them. Yeah, go,
I'll see what the you know, the sweetish word for
bed bug is on the way back down. I'll get

(12:30):
that end.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
And then.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
No, he does wait, No, he generally takes him at
least he says he has a bad day if he
gets to four for wordle I was like, wow, okay,
I'm like sometimes I'm like you know, sweating that out
at six. But I'm like, you know, I get it done.
But my dad's like, yeah, four is like a bad time.
I'm like, geez, okay, he's like that. If there was
a cross if there was a speed crossword puzzle Olympics,

(12:53):
my dad, I know, my dad would be at the
top of that. Now there's probably a professional circuit, so
they'd complain saying that the okay, if if there was
like him, we're coming in and ruining it for if
there was an over sixty five, you know, even like
like the like the Senior crossword Puzzle Tour. But that's
what I say, with all this injury, how do we
put him to work for good? How do we profit
off him? You'd be a bet on him. He goes,

(13:14):
he goes to a he goes to some hikeron right,
and we get him drunk and he's walking around like yeah, yeah, yo, dude,
no one's gonna bet on this guy. And then boom,
just like color of money and then boom, the odds
go all the way down the tubes. You make all
kinds of cash on him. Yeah, we can only run
that circuit so long. It's a small thing. Regionally. He's
gonna have to be willing to travel. I am a genius.

(13:35):
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Well we got more from this game. Still a big
Pacer lead thirteen. Now, still a long way to go
in the fourth quarter, but you know, if the Pacers

(13:57):
don't start missing shots, it's gonna be a three one
for Indiana. But straight ahead, Another big story out of
basketball today, Something that's taking up our attention for the
last week turns out to not have happened at all. Wait,
well it's next right here, Jason and Mike Fox with
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fee Goo to expresspros dot Com. Just under seven minutes
left to go, the Pacers lead the Knicks one thirteen,
one hundred. And you know, it's not like the Knicks
need any help looking bad in this game, but wow,
the officiating the last few minutes. I'm not gonnsider it
and say it's costing the game. But there are three
plays the Pacers flopping on offense get to the free
throw line, Miles Turner twice grabs hold of Karl Anthony

(16:08):
Towns's hand and won't let go, and Karl Anthony Towns
is called for the foul like you see it on
the replay. This is a bad look for the NBA.
They're gonna look at some of these fouls tomorrow and go,
oh my goodness, we just lost our minds for that
stretch early in the fourth quarter. Because this is what's
this is what's helping keep the Pacers lead. Like I'm
watching Myles Turner go. They let him do whatever he
wants to I he locks up coxs up Karl Anthony

(16:30):
Towns with his arm under Karl Anthony Towns's arm, and
the referees call it, but really but grabbing his hand
and not let it like they were holding hands. Yeah,
I was thinking, and Towns is trying to move his
hand out of the way. They call the foul on
Myles Turner. Wow, well because Turner flailed away like how
dare you touch me? Look, you're also getting heat checked

(16:51):
and superstar calls for Benedict Mathern. Yeah. Yeah, that's where
we're at this game. Like that is as good as
Haliburt was, And it's great that Daddy is there and
he's trying to impress him at all. The fact that
Batherin has done more in this game than he had
the entire series combined and tripled. You're looking at at
a guy who's taking he checked threes from the corner.

(17:14):
They're all taking he checked threes guys like he's tackled
bruntson multiple times. No calls. I mean he's going full
and Reid a couple of times.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
Come on you me.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Frosburg, Desaga and Mary could could score on the Knicks
defense right now. We just have to We just have
to dribble around, get work the shot clocked down. Watch
the Knicks panic and one of us is open. For
a show towns or brunts and is given up by
the eight seconds left hand. I know, I'm really we're
getting past one of them. I mean, look, it's the
Knicks clearly have no answer defensively, and it's yet another

(17:45):
feather in the cap of Rick Carlisle, who was completely
out coach TIBs in this series. So far, the Knicks
seem like they don't have an answer for whatever the
Pacers want. Right Game one, they didn't have an answer
during the comeback Game two. They started the game wanting
to established Pascal Siakam, who had a Kevin Durant in
his prime type game. How do you know? They weren't
ready for that, and clearly tonight they weren't ready for Halliburton.

(18:08):
Weren't ready for anything offensively, because whether it's Halliburton making
shots or the Pacers getting open, looks like there's not again,
there's no shots where I go, wow, man, what are
you gonna do for that turn around three from the
corner with a second left in the shot clock. No,
everything is easy. Everything is easy for the Pacers. Yeah,
everybody taking care of business except for your guy, damn hard.

(18:28):
So I guess you get that feather in your cap
that he's not gutted you. But Siakam once again twenty
four points, ten of seventeen, couple of three point shots
for him. Nie Smith, who was questionable yesterday, he's got
sixteen plus twenty two on the night to leave the
squad Turners got twelve only two boards for him, which

(18:49):
is kind of curious. But Haliburton with the twenty eight
fourteen assists, eight rebound night. He's also got four steals
and still with zero turnovers. You want to talk talk
about operational efficiency Nicks for the game sixteen turnovers, Pacers
slowly catching up at ten, but that's your tail of
the tape. So we'll love more in this game again.

(19:10):
Time out on the floor, Knicks down by twelve, the
Pacers looking to go up three to one and really
take a stranglehold on this series. And maybe we'll start
our Pacers Thunder preview coming up in a bit. Yeah,
Paul Pierce having fun now in toligent pace is gonna
beat that? Yeah? Yeah, that's great. Is he sitting around
a campfire where he may or may not have, you know,
dipped into whatever was in the canister. Maybe you'll want

(19:31):
to work again, you never know. May may walk to work.
You never know.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
He doesn't get another take. He got his first take wrong.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, oh that's true.

Speaker 3 (19:37):
Hink's winning.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Yeah that's true. Yeah, yeah, you get another take, you're down.
No no, no, Well if you're only you're getting stuff changed,
you get first take on first take, you don't get
you don't get sacked. That's why the show is not
called second take exactly. Yeah, first take, first take. So
we'll have more on this game, But another big story
out of basketball. Earlier today, the WNBA announced they could
not substantiate a report of racist fan behavior. You're at

(20:00):
the season opener between the Fever and the Sky a
few days ago. The quote coming from the league in
a statement, we have investigated the report of racist fan
behavior in the vicinity of the court based on information
gathered to date, including from relevant fans, team and arena staff,
as well as audio and video review of the game.
We have not substantiated it. And you know this is

(20:23):
where when I when I talk about situations at the
WNBA can't afford to get into you can't afford to
get into rivalries broke breaking down on a racial angle, right,
and now, what does this story look like. The story
looks like, hey, here's a story that gets manufactured because
of the hard foul between Caitlyn Clark and Angel Reese,
which was a result of angel Reese pushing a player
to play before and a foul that Caitlin Clark committed

(20:46):
that they both said a basketball play and people get
upset because Angel Reese gets gets loses that game by
however many points. And now oh here's report. I heard this.
I heard this said, so now the Sky have to
put out a statement about it. We don't condone this behavior.
The Fever have to put out a statement. You know,
Angel Reese talks about it, Caitlin Clark talks about it.
Now here we find out it's nothing. Well, but we

(21:07):
talked about it tonight that it happened, right, and well,
our first chance to talk about it on the Monday,
you know, you had the Sky coach. He said, well,
we found out what everybody else did. It's like it
wasn't something that was heard in the game or reacted
to which we watched the game. We watched it come
down to the end, and there was nothing until social media,
which is you might as well have NBA whatever else. Right,

(21:32):
that by the way, bad day for the W NBA
with NBA SENTI, but it's one of those things where
it just started to gestate, now what was it quote
when everyone else did. I think it's something that we
heard about, and so we're forthcoming and anything that the
league is able to do investigation wise. Angel Res more
or less said the same and corroborated that, you know,
and immediately, hey, we're glad that the league's looking into it.

(21:53):
Said okay, fine, But nobody on the squad came forth
saying I heard this, because you would be pointing them
out this night in real time. Like we see at
NBA games all the time, someone says something untoward, the
bench reacts. And this is where everything with the W,
with everything that's gone on and all their controversy since

(22:14):
Caitlyn Clark and Angel Rees came into the league, with
all the controversy, what if I said is the biggest thing,
show me you can handle success. This is an unprecedented
level of success for the W. Show me you can
handle it, and they can't because what did they do here?
They let social media launch an investigation where okay, wait
a minute, where look at was something said? Was of

(22:35):
course we you know, we don't condone this. We're looking
into it. Boom, just take care of it. Right when
when you have the sky make a statement and the
fever make a statement and now we're launching an investigator. Okay,
so now you've given this credibility when all you did
is has seen some stuff on social media. Most likely
this is all I heard this at the game. But
you hear did you hear this? I'm talk to people
at the game wn basis, don't worry about it. We
got it, right, do worry about it? We got it. Okay,

(22:56):
We're gonna take care of this. Like this is where
they need to show we can handle this success. Can
we know when something comes up that's a little bit rocky,
we're gonna be able to handle it.

Speaker 4 (23:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
So that's the number one thing is that they got
to show they can do it because it looks like
social media made them make an investigation over something that
didn't happen.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Right now.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
My other part is this is that this is I
always say my pr advice to the stars. If I
wasn't doing this, i'd be a public relations advisor. What
I would do is I would I would talk to
specific people if I was pr advice, and if I
had I had these people as clients. If I had
Caitlin Clark as my client, if I had Angel Reese
is my client. If I had Cheryl Reeve is my client.
If I had Cheryl Swoops as my client. If I

(23:36):
had Cheryl Burke as my client. If I had Cheryl
Tigues is my client, Cheryl Hines, if I had Cheryl
Hines as my client, if I had Cheryl lad as
my client, if I had Jackie Cheryl as my client.
He didn't want to talk about Texas A and M
Cheryl Hines, You're gonna get into a lot of other
discussions right now, so you stay away. I would say this, right,
I would say, look, quit being petulant about stuff, Quit

(23:58):
being petty, Quit pushing whatever angle is here. I would
tell Angel Reese, Hey, we're worried about race. Don't repost
the post about white girl Caitlin Clark walking away from
you after this play, after you just put out a
statement saying there's nothing out there. You know there's no
room for this kind of behavior in the game. Right,
I would say the same thing the chery will Reef.
I would say, don't sit here and say what about

(24:19):
the rest of us, because you're upset your game is
not on national television when the season starts, like last year,
I would say these things. I would say because here's
the thing is what you don't get. I'm telling you
not to look petulant because eventually you're just gonna look bad.
You're gonna you're gonna be stopped from whatever you want
to achieve because you're gonna start looking awful. Right, It's
like the like you think about players when they start
flopping too much and you get to play with boy,

(24:41):
they're great player, but when they flop, you're like, oh,
I can't even watch I can't even watch Luca because
he flops all the time. I can't even watch So
and So because they're flopping. I can't watch Rashid Wallace,
he flops all the time. And and you wind, a
really great player gets that tag of all they do
is flop, and it's really hard to watch. The same
thing's gonna happen to these players because if you can
you to push out this pettiness and this petulance, you're

(25:02):
going to look bad. Right, You're gonna look bad. So
let's just make let's just you know the WNBAH, we
will take care of stuff. Number one. But the second
thing is, I would say, the players don't do anything
to add on to this, right and the coaches don't
do anything to add on to this, because you're just
gonna look bad when this stuff goes on, because it's
gonna look bad on you. And I'm telling you to
protect you as my client that if you keep pushing

(25:23):
this stuff out there, eventually people are gonna get sick
of it. You know, right now this debate is raging
and the w is hot, but eventually people are gonna say,
I'm done. I'm done. I don't need another Caitlin Clark
Angel restory that's not on the basketball court, right I
don't need another one of these things that's not on
the court. They're gonna have to keep. That's eventually where
people are gonna go. So I would tell them, you
got you gotta watch it right now, and I would

(25:43):
just cut you, cut out whatever you can. Don't worry
about crap, play basketball, enjoy everything that's coming your way,
push the game, push the league, push your rivalries. B
if you want to tell you, if you want to
make it about make it about basketball, basketball, basketball, that's
what people like. That's what people are gonna respond to.
Make it about that and everything will be okay. But
this this is going nowhere. No. That's the thing, right
is you know we talk about the boy who cried wolf,

(26:06):
and in this case, you know, you bring race and
and and certainly there are enough people in every walk
of and I use the term journalism loosely, uh that
will chase that for clicks and and get their their
talk in. And we certainly had plenty of that across
the media for the week following Uh that that came
out of it, people getting their families involved or whatever else.

(26:29):
And then they can come back to oh, sorry, my bad,
but they got their engagement, they got their clicks. Whatever
measurements that you go through, it might have been a
bad look. But when they can present their next quarters
numbers to whoever they're looking to do deals with, tada,
they won. But you can only trained on on the
margins with that, I think your people that you were

(26:50):
trying to bring in the eyeballs and attention to the
WNBA that you're not gonna win with that, right, You'll
keep your diehards because they were there from the start.
That's great, And if that's all you're interested, then fine,
then stop the pretense of trying to grow the game
and just be done with it. But to recognize that
to sell to folks consistently it does have to be

(27:15):
about the actual product and not side show circuses. And
in this case, something absolutely fabricated by a couple of
social media accounts. Now it doesn't mean one hundred percent
that nothing happened, right they but whatever investigation was, we
couldn't find anything. They couldn't corroborate it, right, And I
told you that we were on Monday night, and I said, well,
it's already been forty eight hours. If you would have

(27:36):
found something, you would have got something, and nobody would
have heard something. Right that there was no reaction to
where there was anything, you know, heated in that moment,
because if it was truly happening in the game, someone
would responded, We've got enough of that in the country
and the globe as a whole. Like, you don't need
to fabricate it. You can find it for real if

(27:58):
you really want to. So you're only going to kill
your product and your growth, and you're going to take
some of these players that might have been growing an audience,
and to your point, between flopping and other types of
scenarios where it's not about their on core performance, folks
are gonna tune out. Yeah, I mean it's going to

(28:18):
run hot and heavy for a while, like people will,
but eventually it's gonna fans are gonna say, you know,
I'm done, I'm done with this, Like, okay, here it is.
This is new, and it's a whole new thing with
the WB and popular and and and and all the
controversy and people picking sides and who they like and
who they don't. But eventually it's going you know what,
I don't have time for that. I'm done with this.
I'm kinda I'm I'm mentally I'm mentally just drained from

(28:41):
another one of these conversations that really we've had too
many times now, right, So let's let's just let's let's
just move on from this. But the other part, it
goes back to discussion we've had with Kate and Clark
going back to when she was playing at Iowa and
we were covering that team running deep into the NCAA tournament.
Was she's chippy, she's chirpy, she does not shy away

(29:03):
from contact, and a hard fall is sometimes just a
hard fall. In fact, ninety eight percent of the time
it's just a hard fall in the construct of a
physical game. Does it mean that sometimes it doesn't get
untoored where you need to pause and blow a whistle
and get everybody calm down. No, I mean we're gonna
see those, but not every time that Caitlin Clark is

(29:25):
fouled or commits a fall is it's some egregious act.
And in this case it was absolutely absurd because of
where the contact occurred. Should you give a little extra shove?

Speaker 3 (29:36):
Eah?

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Maybe, But in the end, it's it's a basketball play
all right? Play on exit out about a Fresca exit
swollen dome The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Carman. Just my advice. Eventually this is gonna turn
on you, and you gotta just understand. Let's just get
let let go of the petulance and the pettiness right
this whey instead of it. The league can do their

(29:58):
thing right, be in charge, show me you can do
it a p R and managers, hey, listen, just just
do because trust me, it's gonna come back. There's there's
the end game. Trust Trust me. You got to be
able to do your job, yeah, or find someone who
can time not to find out what's trending in the
wide world of sports. But guy's been called the Tyres
Halliburton the Fox Sports Radio. His debt once got kicked
out of here for getting in front of Frostburg after

(30:19):
a show. It's Steve Desago.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
No I was waiting for it. But he's never had
a night this good something like that. By the way,
while we're talking about w NBA tonight, Minnesota went to
five and OH, edging Seattle. New York now four and
oh after whipping expansion Golden State, and Dallas won at
Connecticut in a battle of oh and four teams one
oh nine eighty seven Page Beckers with twenty one points.

(30:43):
Now to the update of the NBA playoffs. It's Game
four the Eastern Conference Finals at Indiana, Pacers still leading
one twenty one, one fourteen over the next just over
two minutes to go, PACER's trying to go up three
games to one. It's been a high scoring game from
the start. Just in the first quarter there were nearly
eighty points combined. That's the most ever in any conference

(31:04):
final game for a first quarter, it was seventy eight,
to be specific, and through three the Pacers were up
to one oh two, most points allowed by the Knicks
through three of a playoff game since nineteen ninety. Tyrese
Haliburton has thirty two points, nine rebounds, fourteen assists and
no turnovers for the Pacers. Twenty seven points for Pascal Siakam, Indiana,

(31:26):
shooting fifty three percent from the floor. The Knicks led
by the twenty nine points from Jalen Brunson, twenty four
for Karl Anthony Towns. He has eleven rebounds twenty points
for og Aanobi. The home team Pacers lead by seven
to ten to play in the NHL Playoffs. Currently it's
Edmonton still to one over Dallas with four minutes to go,

(31:48):
Oilers trying to go up three games to one in
the West Final. Pass rusher Joey Bosa, now with the Bills,
is likely out until training camp with a calf injury.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Wait wait, wait, Joey Bosa is hurt. It's come on, Steve,
don't lie to me. Man don't want he's getting that
iron Man awarded a training camp this year.

Speaker 4 (32:06):
This is kind of like that one driver at the
Indy five hundred over the Weekion just in the warm
up laps. The flag isn't even gone yet and he
crashed out.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
You know what, the.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Great job by Box. Within five minutes they had him
for an interview. Yes, well, what else was he doing?
Come on over and let's talk about this. By the way,
you see Fox got over seven million viewers.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
That's that's a larger TV audience than for the Daytona
five hundred to start the NASCAR season. It's only three
times in three decades that Indies had a larger TV
audience than Daytona.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
And didn't they move that to a bigger stadium because
Caitlyn Clark drove in it, so he wanted to make
sure that all the fans could get there to watch. Yeah,
it was originally at what like DePaul University.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Or.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
It was actually Indiana University, Purdue University of Indiana. That's
where they had of that i U, p U Y
something like that. The actually had an Indiana Universe. Pennsylvania
is where it was. Oh there is one.

Speaker 4 (33:02):
Yes, absolutely, Let's update the baseball as the Red Sox
are tied in the bottom of the tenth at Milwaukee
one to one, as are all as Chapman blew the save,
giving up the tying run.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
In the bottom of the ninth, the.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Rockies are tied at the Cubs two to two. In
the bottom of the tenth inning, the Cubs say a
Suzuki with his fiftieth RBI of the season, Pete crow
Armstrong with his forty ninth The Dodger Shoeo Tani with
his twentieth homer of the year, leads the Majors LA
one at Cleveland nine to five. Philadelphia won again two
nothing over Atlanta. The Mets won there fourth straight, beating

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the White Sox six to four. Road winds for the Reds,
Twins and Cardinals. Detroit beat San Francisco three to one,
and currently the Astros lead the A's eleven to one.
In the bottom of the eighth, again, Pacers lead with
under two minutes to go by seven.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
Back to you, Thank you, Steve ol Nicks. Just miss
a bucket. Pacers going the other way, looks like they're
gonna go well, they got shot, gets blocked out of bounds.
Looked like Siakham going in for a Tomahawk dunk. So
minute forty five left to go, looks like Karl Anthony
Towns is okay, he Bangednes on the previous possession? He
is all right, what bang? Thees banges? It happens, uh

(34:13):
so again? Seven point lead for the Pacers as we continue.
Is this gonna be an incredible Knicks comeback? Or is
this the Pacers up three games to one? We got
that and all play of the day with an exclamation
point coming your way next right here Jason and Mike Fox.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Just shorre here we go goes on top. It's topping
for three d lad Kevin Harlan until mt with the
call of course, it's obi topping with the dagger three
at the end of a shot clock. Pacers are gonna
go up three to one here over the next day.
Lead it right now one twenty seven eighteen with fifteen

(35:00):
seconds left to go, with more in this game coming
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when you are the first person in Major League Baseball
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well you get to be the play of the day.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Lift's the first.

Speaker 5 (35:36):
Pitch the other way, Kwan steps back onto the track.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
It is gone.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
Sky scraping drive the other way. You know, Tani's got
his twentieth What the Otani? He says, two consecutive gave
him of the long aton.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
What the what do ton? Yeah, twenty twenty home runs
for show? Hey, Otani so far this season, and we
still have a little bit ways to go in May,
especially since he's now he's hitting, you know, a home
run every game. But here's a great stat right for
all you Dave Kingman fans. He's got twenty home runs
and thirty five RBI. This tells you the bottom of

(36:23):
the lineup of the Dodgers is really not getting on base.
He's got twenty home runs and thirty five RBI. Like
that's I mean, I didn't know that that was actually
mathematically possible to have twenty home run because you got
to think, how many RBIs does he have not on
home runs? Right?

Speaker 4 (36:39):
Like?

Speaker 1 (36:39):
How many what does he have? Like four RBIs not
on home runs because some of them are two run homers.
I'm three run homers, a lot of are solo homers.
But twenty and thirty five for Oton, Yeah, we're gonna
have to go back and do the count as the
game goes on. Certainly, now with the NBA game, done
good job, it's been done for a while. It's been
done well. But I mean, you know, officially I don't

(37:01):
have to pay attention to it anymore that you know,
we can go and start doing a countdown. I go
back to, let's see twenty twenty one because I immediately
started thinking about Kyle Schwarber since he's been a leadoff hitter,
that he had a lot of the same He had
seventy two games with Washington and split in time with
them and Boston. But in those seventy two games he

(37:23):
had twenty five home runs and fifty three army hind
not not just pretty quite the same race. Yeah, still
two one. But the point being that you know that
that happens when you're a power hit. I mean back
to back games, you lead the game off, so I
mean there's two of them right there, right so, but yeah,
just an amazing clip. He's back up at ninety six

(37:46):
and seeing the ball well, because there were some concerns
a couple of weeks ago long balls and not much else.
But now there's still for that Dodger lineup, as you
alluded to, still a lot of questions. I mean, we
talk a lot about the pitching staff, but the rest
of the life certainly getting under the microscope as well.
What do you got for you hanother big stat here, Frostburg?
What he got, Well, we all know the incredible season

(38:07):
he had last year, right mm hmm. In fifty five
games this year he's hit twenty home runs.

Speaker 3 (38:12):
How long do you think it took him how many
games last year.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
To hit twenty home twenty to get to twenty when
he hit fifty five seventy seventy five seventy five games,
because he really hit it big in the second half
of the season when he got last year, he's gonna look,
I mean, he's it looks like he's gonna have no
problem hitting sixty, right because when he gets hot, he
hits him in, but he doesn't go he doesn't have

(38:36):
like real he feels like his droughts are longer because
it's only like, you know, three games. Well, then he
hits a game, right, and then he hits one for
like five straight games in a row. Still ball, he
had a drought. You know, his drought is three games.
Any any player would say, oh, I gotta have that.
I mean, he's gonna he's gonna hit sixty home runs
this year? Is he gonna drive in seventy five runs?

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Is he.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Sixty runs? Sixty on runs and ninety five? Nobody cares?
And an ops of one point one? What happens in October?
That's all that matters. Got sixty now, right now, after
seeing this at the bottom of the order for the Dodgers,
is going, oh god, we really got to pick it up. Man,
We've not been doing our job. That this is the

(39:17):
numbers that this guy has. We gotta do you gotta
make it look better better. I don't know it'll well,
but I mean this becomes the true legend of Otani
at a whole other way. Look at what he does
on his own. He's not even getting the support of
that back end of that roster. Yeah, but I mean,
but twenty home runs already and he's got himself out
in front again. This is a conversation I do not
want to have right now. We'll have it later on.

(39:38):
I don't want to have it right now. Who he
is right now co MVP favorites with in the National League.
You don't want to have it. I don't want to know.
But we will have it because we're fair, we want
to be. But I just don't want to have it
right now because it just it. It upsets me. He's
got forty nine. I just had to watch the Knicks
lose at least the Mets one tonight. But you do
it right now, you don't have to talk about the Knicks. No,

(40:03):
we'll get to get No, no, no, I'm not gonna
do it. No, I'm not gonna do it. No, no, no, no,
I'm not gonna me. It upsets me down. And you
see a lot of odds where at this because the
Memorial Day is a big time to look back at
the MLB season, what we've seen so far. Here's certain
certain benchmark days of the year in baseball. Memorial Day,

(40:24):
fourth of July Labor Day. What do we look back?
What is ahead of us? And looking and seeing right now,
going wow, he actually this guy actually has more first
place votes.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
I take a guess.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
No, no, not a lot. No guessing. There's no guessing.
You can't guess. I can't guess. Rhyme smashbron something like that. Yeah,
did you say SpongeBob? Yeah, lives in a pineapple under
the sea.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Somebody's got to check.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
That guy's bat and TJ Yes, absorbent and yellow and porous.
Is he tj uh? Yeah, No, that's a conversation we'll
have another time. Not ready to have a Psychologically, I
could tell this Nick's loss as much as you carry
mentally well already you were not feeling it. No holding
of hands, Miles Turner, No really turned you off out
a whole. That call is really in the embodiment of

(41:15):
this game for you. It is a three to one
Pacers lead. Is the series over? How did this happen?
We break down the biggest story of the night next Fox.
The Pacers are still dining out on the confidence of
their comeback in game one. There's not a lot I
can say because the biggest thing that's going on right now. Okay,
the biggest thing Tom Thibodeau is getting completely out coached

(41:40):
by Rick Carlisle. It really reminds me of when I
would watch the Patriots and Bill Belichick's hate. I mean
not at the end when he was awful and you
didn't know what he was doing, but in the heyday
of the Patriots where I would watch them play different
teams in the AFC East twice a year, and the
first time they not just the Jets, but when they
play the Dolphins or the and they would have one

(42:02):
game plan that would work. Right, it was, oh, hey,
this was Steven Ridley. What a huge game. Twenty carries,
one hundred and five yards. Brady didn't nearly need to
throw the ball a lot. They were able to keep
the Bills offense off the field. Okay, so the second
game the Bills, how do we adjust? What did they
do to us last time? We're ready for this and
then it's a completely different game plan from Belichick where

(42:23):
we're gonna throw the football and suddenly it's a big
day for Wes Welker. Right, fourteen catches for Welker. He
had three catches in the first game. This is what
Belichick used to do to teams. Right, This is why
I go back and say, despite Spygate, all of it,
he's the best coach I've seen because he can change
game plans on a dime, even sometimes when you're playing
the team again two weeks after you play them, with

(42:45):
those kind of quirks in the schedule. This is what
Belichick used to do to teams. Used to frustrate the
crap out of me because I go, okay, well, the
Jets to be ready for this, but it's gonna be
something else different the second game. And this is what
Carlisle is doing to the Knicks and doing to Tom
Thibodeau because the first game, the Knicks had no answer
for the comeback in the fourth quarter. Right, they knew
that the Pacers new we can get shots. We know

(43:06):
the Nie Smith can get his own shot because Josh
Hart can stay with him, and you know we can't
stay with him. The Knicks had no answer. Was on
roller skates. Yeah, they lose game one, Okay, game two.
The Knicks have to come back mentally from that loss
and understand this is how we have to attack things.
HALLI Burton has a big game. We need to make
sure that we're doing X, Y and Z. We're gonna
learn our lessons from game one. What does game two happen?

(43:28):
Pascal Siakam scores the first eleven points because they know
we can take advantage of this this matchup, in this
mindset and has the game of his life right again, Pete,
Kevin Durant is what he bleep and looked like. He
looked like Kevin Durant in his prime. And so the
Pacers take game two. Okay, another one check mark for
Rick Carlisle because the Knicks clearly are you said, you know,

(43:50):
cats on roller skates. I feel like the Knicks defensively
were on roller skats. They are able to gut out
of win in game three. But here I watch game four,
and I'm telling you, man, if the pay Ers had
five difficult baskets today, I think I'm being generous the
Knicks defense at the top of the key. They kept
losing players and it doesn't matter. Sometimes it's Brunson, sometimes

(44:10):
it's Andrew Nobi. The referees were very generous with the
Pacers offensively, but I can't really blame the official. I
can't sit here and go, oh, they screwed us. This
because the Knicks just looked so lost defensively, Like tonight,
the Knicks had no answer for what the Pacers game
plan was. The Pacers played at their own pace. They
played at that fast pace. The Knicks were never able

(44:31):
to really dictate the pace. They were able to close
the win in six late, but it doesn't matter because
they were chasing those six points most of the game.
And Halliburton is going to the Hall of Fame off
of this game. More on him in a couple of minutes.
But the whole thing with the Knicks is that I
couldn't get that excited, that upset because I'm just watching
going defensively, They're just going to find a place in
the shot clock where the Pacers are gonna have some

(44:52):
sort of advantage, whether it's one on one and they're
more athletic getting to the hoop, or it's an open
three and they open three with a long rebound, they
can get that offensive rebound because they're they're flying in
from the sides to get it. Just on defense, the
Knicks looked lost, and I watched their body language and
it's terrible. You know, they see a play to and
they stare at each other and look in point and
it doesn't matter if it's the same thing down the court. Again,

(45:12):
there was no adjustments overall in this game. There was
no changes that Tom Thibadau made. Hey we're gonna do
this in this it was just the same thing. And
I never really had confidence the Knicks are gonna win
this game because eventually you got to get a couple
of stops on defense. They were just relying on the
Pacers missing and that's not how you win games, right,
It's what Oh, but the Pacers missed some shot, Yeah,

(45:33):
they missed some shots. They still shot fifty percent from
the floor. But the Knicks weren't making them miss. This
was hey, we had an open three and we missed.
We had it, we had a jumper and we missed.
I mean, if there's if they had five difficult shots
where it was one on two, or they're getting bailed
out by this incredibly physical play, that's a lot in
this game. They were just too much easy for the

(45:54):
Pacers every time down the floor, and again, the Knicks
had no answer to this advantage. Rick Carlie, you could
talk about Game one and the comeback for the Ages
and Haliburton up one hundred percent in the choke. But
why is this three to one right now? Because the
Pacers have better game plans, they're executing more and and
and Tibbs is just sitting there with his arms folded.
He looks like he looks like Phil Jackson, not even

(46:16):
Phil Jackson with the Lakers when they had trouble, like
with the Bulls, when they would just blow through teeth
and say, oh, we're gonna if a series is four
to two, feel happy you won those couple of games
Like this is this is the legend that Rick Carlisle
is being made out to be in this year. I mean,
you go back to Game three, and there was some movement, right,
Obviously he gets some minutes from Shammitt and folks that
want to stick up for Tibbs and talk about his

(46:38):
acumen and what he's been able to do with the squad.
Game three was a good one, right in terms of
pulling strings, finding some minutes off the BENJ McBride whatever.
And that's fine. It's it was a short lived solution.
Today you were back to some of the same habits
that created the two to zero deficit of standing around
like they've had the unfortunate run of loose balls, finding

(47:02):
the waiting hands, oftentimes beyond the three point arc of
the Indiana basers. Loose ball fills the aggressiveness and physicality
waiting on a call that never comes right, ah initiated content,
Well you're not getting that call. Play the other way
right a number of times where you're going back and
you're now in a fast break opportunity for the pacers

(47:25):
because you've got one or more guys standing back, staring
at the referee and wanting to fight him. It's they
called didn't come get back, or the look. They out
rebounded him by eleven. The Nicks win the rebounding margin.
They out offensive rebounded them by eight thirteen total offensive rebounds,
and they had a number of set plays and opportunities

(47:46):
off inbounds plays where you just miss wide open looks
like we saw it down the stretch with chances to
really make it a make up sweat in the final
two to three minutes, like you're taking an off balance
falling away three, there's nobody guarding you, set your feet,
take your shot, and then the fights for rebounds. We

(48:07):
saw the tussling. I know you're still I might get
you a T shirt that has the Miles Turner Karl
Anthony Towns hands holding near the top of the key
before he shugged him off. No get off me. It's
like your kid's like, no, no, no, come on, we gotta go. No, no, no,
get your hand, like I'm a big boy, now be loon.
I don't need you, old man. So you add all
that and you're in Indiana, which means you're gonna get

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a little bit of the emotion of the crowd that's
gonna come into play. And obviously Haliburton wanted to show
up for his old man who had his banishment rescinded.
And his first quarter is really one of the things
for the Ages, right, We've seen it a couple of
times in these playoffs. It was like that guy's got
a whole game's worth of stats by the end of
the first Well, look, and that's the big thing. You

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want to say, this is overrated a little bit, but
it's not. And the Pacers go ahead and break your arm,
patting your self on the back, picking the game to
put Halliburton's dad back in so he could come see it. Right,
What did I say after Game three? It's a panic move.
They want to try to get some look blowing that
twenty point lead. We don't know where we are. Are
we fragile now, so we don't want the Knicks to

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have an advantage. They could have put Halliburton's dad back
in the game for Game three, but no, let's save it.
They needed it for Game four. And I don't think
there's any there's any coincidence that Halliburton's dad comes back
to watch the games and Halliburton has the greatest game
of his career. A stat line in the NBA playoffs
we have never seen in NBA history thirty two fifteen assists,

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twelve rebounds, zero turnovers zero. We have never seen that
in any game ever an NBA and basketball history, like
going all the way back to like the mid nineties,
and they first started to keep a track of stuff
like this way, you know, no one blow a lead
like that. It's game one. I don't think there's any
coincidence there. And you say, oh, how big a deal
is that. No, obviously it's a big deal. They brought

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him back for a reason. They brought him back for
this game. My dad is back at the game, and
the Pacers just find a way to get juiced up
to play the next man. Right, But as we talked
about it, can you talk about panic, desperation, savvy, you know,
decide where you're at in that continuum, but you're you're
trying to find an edge, and that certainly gave a lift.

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How many shots into the booth did you have of
him tonight? Every other count like watching Taylor Swift at
a football game, there's pops, there's pops. There is again Okay,
yeah we hit the over on him.

Speaker 3 (50:29):
There is fast.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
But with that first quarter, I mean it was a
clinic and anything he did put the ball near the rim.
Find uh. Not often do you have that level of
acumen uh and accuracy where your teammates are taking care
of you when you're racking up assists that to that level, right,
because normally on a pass they're going to fumble it
and the turnover is gonna get credited to you. That

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didn't happen to right sure handedness. But part of that
is also the inability at times for the Knicks to
move their feet and get into position to create that
chaos as opposed to a nice clean look, which we
saw time and time again. We'd be remiss. We didn't
bring up the Matherin aspect of this, because he has
the game of his life. Off the bench, Dave, the

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Pacers have all had the games of their lives. For
his sties, he goes for twenty and gave you ten
of eleven free throws, played a total of twelve minutes.
Twelve minutes. That's how big an impact. But he also
shook things up repeatedly where you've got him doing full
on takedowns like he's in Greco Roman wrestling. But think

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about the look you say, you say, Matheren Mathern did
have a big nightre twenty points and twelve minutes, Right,
he was fantastic. Right, you have Halliburton had the game
of his life. Sure did Siakam have the game of
his life in game two? Yes? Yeah, I might argue
that didn't you Smith have the game of his life?

Speaker 3 (51:49):
And one? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Okay, So now you've had four guys have the games
of their lives in this series. And sack Met went
for thirty five and two tonight and he'd say, hey,
I don't even care, but this is what you didn't
get the knicks defensively. I mean, this is what a
complete and total failure. This is like the knickser is
like you know in football when when you see a

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big you see a big collegiate team playing, and also
Ren it's like it's a stat game for us, like
we're just you know, this is a game for our
quarterback to throw for two hundred yards and five touchdowns
before he comes out of the game, like the Nick
this is, these are stat games for the Pacers that
four different players have the absolute games of their lives
so far in this suit, No, Nie Smith only needed
a quarter to do it. I mean that's when you

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play the next telling that it helps when you play
and you play defense like this, but that's the defense,
like you're talking tired legs. And even here, you got
thirty six minutes from Heart off the bench, he goes
for what twelve and eleven but falls out. Shammit, gave
you eleven minutes he was a plus six three three
points for him. Uh And then fifteen minutes from McBride,

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who took three shots, he was minus fourteen. He was terrible.
But you don't have the depth of bench to really
buy these guys out, and they tried to in the
second quarter because Brunson sat for a while, right hanging
around to where you could steal him an extra minute
here and there, thinking it would help down the stretch.
But they also did full on raptor defense of I

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don't know that any of your guys help him out,
Like what, he's about to get doubled from the backside,
and all of a sudden, like hey, you got a
second guy that's about to reach in for the ball,
and now you're sprawled out on the floor wishing and
hoping that it rolls to the feet of one of
your teammates. Not a lot of help for him.