May 28, 2025 • 41 mins
NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins Jason and Mike to recap Game 4 of the Eastern Conference Finals between the Knicks and Pacers. Jason explains that Tyrese Haliburton is terrific, but he's not suddenly a Top 5 NBA player. And the WNBA is clearly not able to handle its success yet!
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Welcome in side our three, The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon. The Subtle come out tomorrow. Hey,
that's one. Sorry, buddy, they beat the White Hot sorr
hear you? Sorry? Yeah, yeah, yeah, jure. The Eastern Conference
Finals and the Western Conference Finals both sit at three
games to one after the Pacers. I don't think missed
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a shot tonight in beating the Knicks one eighty seven
to one oh one. Ar least just seemed like it
was one eighty seven one one one one twenty one?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
What wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Is there? A prayer for either of the teams down
three to one to come back and make the NBA Finals?
Joining us now in the hotline nobody better Fox Sports
One NBA Insider extraordinay check out the On the Ball
podcast as well. He's on Twitter at Rick Buker. It
is Rick Buker. What's happening? Man? Make me happy?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Rick?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Tell me it's not over it. But even though I'm
sure it's over, I well.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I told you last week, last time we spoke, I
said they're going to get one.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That's true, It's true.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You did.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I did when you were you were doing gloom after
they lost the first two at home, and you were
it was like it's over, it's done.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I was like, it's not quite yet. Not quite yet,
you'll get one.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So you just need to go back and savor that one.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Just watch that you off season. Just watch game three?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, actually, actually no.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You know what I could see.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I see a possibility in which they are which they
could potentially to a six game. I think that there's
enough grit with this team, and there's enough pride, and
then the difference between these two teams isn't isn't that great?
If Josh Hart would stop trying to throw it through
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Indiana Pacers to get the.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Ball to it, it would go a long.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Way towards changing the outcome. But I mean, honestly, and
not to not to do a you know, a breakdown
of the entire series at this point. But I mean,
I think they're always going to look back at that
game one as as the turning point.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That certainly was for me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I had the Knicks winning in seven, and when they
lost that, I was like, I don't I flipped it
to the Pacers back game.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
For thirty years in the NBA, we're still look back
at the Reggie Miller choke game. We're gonna look back
at that game for thirty years. Rick.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, Well, when you say wean.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Fans, Nick, everybody, when Halliburton's kid is playing for the
Pacers in thirty years, remember this. And then before that
it was Red and Reggie Miller's going to be ninety
eight years old walking around Central Park going, remember I
was the one that started all of it. That's what's
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You guys and Reggie Miller are going to live that
exact life. The rest of us are going to go
on and live our life.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
The thing that gets me, Rick is that, look, I
told you, look, I had no confidence after the first two.
Get you can't lose a game one like that. It's
just such a big deal. But what I'm seeing over
the course of the series is, Man, I know the
Knicks offense, I know the Knicks roster is not constructed
defensively because you still have Brunson and Towns that are
getting taken advantage of. But Wow, I feel like Tibbs
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has no answer or idea what Carlisle and how they're
going to change the attack because the Pacers keep giving
them new rinkles every game and the Knicks have no
they have no response to it tonight. If the Pacers
had five difficult baskets tonight, I'd be surprised if the
number was that high.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, it's you're right, and a big part of that
is though that they won. Rick has a multitude of
guys that he can use in different ways, and this
has always been his strength, going back to when he
had Jermaine O'Neil.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
He would find he.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Had about nineteen different ways to get Jermaine O'Neil the
ball in the exact same place on the floor, just
like all this stuff would happen, and there he was
again on the right post, turning into the middle using
his left hand.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
So it's what Rick Carla has always been able to do.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
They have a very high basketball IQ team and I
think that that's where I think that that's what's been.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Exposed the most year. Uh And as a reason for the.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
For the Knicks being as erratic as they are, you know,
Josh Josh Hart has not played a cerebral game. O
g Anonoby has not played a cerebral game. You know,
put put jail in the brunts and brunton aside.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I think he knows what he's doing out there.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Kat can be up and down in that in that category,
and when you get to this point when it's the
final four of the NBA, you just you can't afford
to you can't afford to play that way. The Minnesota
Timberwolves are going through the exact same thing where and
we've seen this with teams that end up going to
the finals, they generally they don't beat themselves.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
They make you beat them.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And and what we saw tonight is a microcosm of
what has been happening in the series, which is the
New York Knicks. As much as the Indiana Pacers have done,
it's really been the The big difference has been that
the Knicks have been doing it to themselves.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Do you talk about the turnover total, but I mean,
I'd be remiss. I didn't, you know, address the elephant
in the room. Rick, how many points was John Halliburton worth?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
In me? Lu Yeah, well, uh, obviously a lot when
it comes to Tyres Halliburton setting a record with a
triple double and zero turnovers. Look, I think I think
it was the right thing to happen. I'm glad that
he had a chance to come come back in. I'm
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glad that it wasn't courtside or anywhere near the court.
I'm glad that the the view of the shocks of
him were were minimal. But I think he's I think
he served his time. I think it was a it
It sent a message to anybody else who's thinking about
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participating and getting on the court. So I'm you know,
I'm glad he was there.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
But you know that's that. I just feel like the
Pacers kind of they feel.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Like a team of destiny in the same way that
that the Oklahoma City thunderdo.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But here's the one thing though, Rick, Okay, John Halliburton
was banned, he had the band lifted. If the Knicks
could get Tyrese Haliburton band, maybe they win the series.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Probably what it would now, I think they get for death.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I think TJ. McConnell would just step in and the
incredible the way he said, here's this, this is the
most this is the most troubling result of tonight's game
is we saw Tibbs go to his bench early and often,
and I can just see him after he says.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
This is why I don't play. We're going to go back.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
He's going to go back to playing playing four guys.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He's going to go the other direction. Evergan who said
it if if tis it's a baseball team, he wouldn't
play nine players.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
True, I'm gonna have two outfielders play right in left
center field and we're gonna play. Now here's my big
hot take. Rick is looking at that. I mean, it's
so weird that there's so many things wrong with a
team in the Eastern Conference Finals. But I'm looking at
next you and I say, you know what, if the
Knicks fail here, I would not be surprised if Kat
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plus are delt away and maybe it's someone like Giannis
or something else, because this team is not configured. Great.
I mean, again, you're in the Eastern Conference Finals, but
you're seeing how far away you are, you have no bench,
you know your defense, you guys. You can't put those
guys out there and still expect them to be as
cohesive there. They've lost their identity under TIBs. Like if
they lose this series, they go out, like I can
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see Kat being a one and done in New York
and him and somebody else getting delt away and here
comes Giannis or here comes something else back to the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, the question is gonna be that obviously there's a
relationship between Carl Anthony Towns and Leon Rows, president of
the team and his former agent, and how much that
would play into you know, does.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Towns want to leave or does he want to stay?
Or would they try to do would they try to.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Do something else. I'm with you, I don't think it's
a great shit, But I also don't think you have
to go like and try to get a Giannis to me,
a Demonte the Bonus or a Franz Wagner down in Orlando.
Is the kind of forward that you need because I
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need to take one of the responsibilities that Brunson has.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Off his off his plate.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
And if if you had more of a playmaking forward
and Jalen could play off of that. I think they
would be better than they are than they are right now.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And so.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You know, I'm sure that they're going to swing for
the fences, and there's gonna be a lot of talk
about trying to big bring a big name, you know,
one of the other ones, Kevin Durant, that's been Dolly
Calvert's push that they would be better with kd and
and I could see where they could be marginally better
with Kdan than with than with Towns, because I think
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he would just be more consistent. But I really think
if you're going to find the perfect combo with Jalen,
it has to be somebody who's not just a pure scorer,
but as a playmaker that can get everybody else, everybody
else going, because I just I think it's too much
to ask for Jalen to play closer, mister clutch and
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mister playmaker at the same time.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Let's switch to the other series because we've got fun
fun there, and Jason, I'll vouch for me. I've done
nothing but extole the virtues of lou Dort going back
many a year, so I appreciate defensive acumen and whatever else.
How's an that he Edwards so passive in a game
that they need.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, you know, a big part of it is that
his game is not as mature as people want to
make it out to be.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
A big part of it is, And I've been asking
the question.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm like, why, if we're going to paint or label
Anthony Edwards as a superstar, why doesn't he have the
game that SGA has. Why isn't he able to get
to the free throw line? Why does he not have
the mid range game? I think the spending last summer
at the Olympics with Steph and deciding that you know,
he wanted to be able to shoot the three like
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Steph might have been the worst thing that has happened
and to the Minnesota Timberwolves because fifty percent of the
shot that he took during the regular season we're threes,
and the the price that was paid was.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
His mid range game.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It was he took far fewer and made far fewer
than he had almost I think going back to his
rookie year and as we know, when you get to
the playoffs, having a mid range game, being able to
operate from the mid range is vital for a guy
who's going to be the playmaker for your team. And
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I think the most damning stat I saw was that, say,
Gildas Alexander is averaging five point eight mid range shots
a game, and Anthony Edwards is averaging one. And that's
why he's passive because and he told us the other
part is like sometimes he can't read the defense. He
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needs Dante to tell him, Dante Devincenzo to tell him
what the defense is doing and how they're playing.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Like that is that is the most.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Alarming admission by a star player that I can recall
ever hearing in my life. I mean, we're talking about
we're comparing this guy to Michael Jordan and he can't
read defenses. And if you can't read the defense and
it looks the floor looks muddy, you're going to be tentive, intentative.
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You're going to like not be sure of where you
can go. And if you can't, you can't, like or
from the mid range, then all you're looking for is
is there a path for me to get to the rim?
And if there isn't, again, that's what's going to make
a guy hesitant or tentatives. And so that's what he's
been consistently through this series except when in transitions when
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the defense isn't as set and he has the opportunity
to find a scene. And so if he's going to
take the next step, if he's going to evolve, and
he's going to lead the Minnesota Timberwolves anywhere, then that
is this summer. It's got to be forget about the threes.
Let's develop a mid range game, and let's figure mentally
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how it is that or understand the importance as the
best player on a team. I can't come out and
play the entire be the only guy on my team
to play the entire twelve minutes in the first quarter
and not take a shot until the final minute.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Like you just have to understand.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
As the leader of a team, you can't possibly approach
the game that way.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
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Check out the on the Ball podcast this week as well, Rick,
What do you have on the Ball podcast? Future definations for.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Cat or what I'm going to break down every one
of Josh Hart's turnovers.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Okay, we meant to pass the two and who ended
up with it?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So that's gonna be a three hour podcast, all right,
all right, good luck drink water, hydrate, very important. Take
it easy, buddy.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
There we go and it will be a three hour podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And I think Rick put it right on the button.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
I'm going to throw it through multiple defenders or I'm
going to bounce it off them, and my guy's going.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
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let's break down more of the Tyres Halliburton Hall of
Fame game that he had tonight.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Because he's off of this game, right, he's trading on
that overrated tag. And I know, I know, they're only
ninety people voted, only fourteen voted for him.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's statistically relevant. Let's uh let let's break down just
how great how to put Tyre's Halliburton and and and
break him down as fairly and accurately as there is possible.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
How about we do I don't know, folks say, hey,
credit the defense when a guy doesn't show up. How
about we say the lack of defense made him great tonight?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well? Sure well and made others great as well. Now
look to give to say this about Tyres Halibert because yeah, okay, spoiler,
he's not as great as you think he is. Okay
that there's your spoil Roha, how Dar's great as you
think he is? Tonight he had the Night of Nights
right thirty two fifteen or sist twelve rebounds, no turners,
Nobody in the history of the NBA he has had
a night show. He was. He was terrific tonight. Tyre's
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Halliburton is on a playoff heater. He is on an
absolute unreal heater right now. You've seen through the first
three rounds and clearly when he has motivated his game
ups a level now at this point been in the
league a few years. If you're that great, you're at
a higher level than this most times. But Tyre's halliburt
is someone who led the NBA and assists, but he's
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an eighteen to twenty point a game scorer, right, Tyre's
Halliburton is really really good. But all of a sudden
this last month it's been, Oh, I gotta find some
way to fall over myself and talk about how great
Tyre's Halliburton is. The biggest shot of his career is
a miracle shot that bounces off the rim, straight up
in the air and back through. Okay, let's understand that
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that's the shot, right He and again, he is playing
terrific shooters touch, he is on a month heater unlike
he's had in his NBA career, and he is playing
alongside other players who are on the biggest heaters of
their career. Again, this is now. There are four players
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with the Pacers that have had the games of their
lives in this round against the Knicks. Okay's really driving
Haliburton Game one and Game four, Right, game of his
life as good as you thought. Game one was for Halliburton,
This game of his life. In Game four, Pascal Siakam
game of his life in Game two against the Knicks. Right,
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you've watched Tonight Mathern game of his life in twelve minutes,
scoring twenty points against the Knicks. Tonight right Nesmith the
game of his life in Game one in the third
and fourth quarter against the Knicks. That's four players who
have had and I'm not being the exaggeration prisoner moment,
those are four players who have had the games of
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their life in this series against the Knicks. The Knicks
have so many defensive issues because of the way Tibbs
has configured the roster, because of how relying on a
team where Brunson and towns. Play so many minutes in
your best two players. It's not good. If this was
if this was Halliburton being great, it would be boy,
look at him. He's forty points every game. But he's
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not right. He's having a great series. But other guys
are shooting the light. This whole team is shooting over
fifty percent from the floor, this entire first this entire
series against the Knicks. Halliburton is really good. But yet
here's a month long playoff. Yeah, we might remember this
as the playoffs of Haliburton, right, this is the Haliburt,
the Haliburton Hall of Fame game. He's not as great
as everybody says, as I want to present, because people
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are gonna look for ways to say, well, we got
to say how great Halliburton is and find a way. Yet, Haliburton,
he is playing right now. He's great, right now, he's great,
right now, he's great. For the playoffs, he's been great.
But you also have to understand, as we heard from
Rick Buker a few minutes ago, Hey, this is what
Rick Carlyle does. He puts together a deep team where
he can have guys come in and are interchangeable parts,
and it doesn't always need to be Halliburton. It could
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be Nie Smith in a game. It could be Mathron
in the game. Look Obi Toppins come off the bench
to make big shots. Nemhard's had big games, just not
in this series, right Miles Turner tonight was single handedly
keeping the Nickson foul trouble with plays that I can't
believe that the officials let go. But Halliburton is really good.
But this has been a month where he has been
the head of a very large snake that has found
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a way to have other players step up and say,
this is a night this guy's never gonna have. The
Knicks defense is terrible. They were able to expose a
Bucks team in the first round, which clearly is not
nearly what they thought it was. They beat the Cavs
and the best offense in the NBA. All kinds of
credit for that. But yeah, Halliburton's really good. But he's
all of a sudden he's a top five NBA player.
No he's not. He's not that he's not.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
But what's great about it is he's a guy that
you can get excited about what's still to come. Right,
You look at it this year for the Pacers about
five plus assists per turnover eighteen point six points per game,
not world beating back to back years before that, just
slightly over twenty points per game. But he's only twenty
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five years old. It was telling you the lamentation in
Chicago today in preparation of this game, since I mean,
you can only talk about I don't know that guy
from the Cubs who's been so dominant Suzuki, as well as.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That the other guy forgot his name. Don't worry about it.
Go back to basketball, go back to basket public service. Yeah, Pete,
Pete Alonzo.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Yes, he's that fantastic, but you've got those stories. But otherwise,
when we're talking to NBA, it's the the Bulls. In
their draft, they they took Patrick Williams instead of taking
Tyree's Alim and it was a debate in the front
off the like and it's now being malay and dredged
up again as you have this run because you're thinking
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about what could be and the fact that he can
a take over a game and he can also make
other players better, and you saw that on full display
here and you have over the course of these Bloods has.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
He has a couple of no show efforts. Absolutely has right.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
He had a game in the Cleveland series where they
got drummed and he had four points. He's had a
little turned ankle here and there and rolling through, but
all of that to say, he's still on the comes.
So while it's too early to crown him, you recognize
the organizational strengths that you've put him in and you've
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given him the best opportunity to succeed. That's really all
you can hope for. Right, He doesn't have to be
the guy with the weight of the world on his
shoulders like we watch with Jalen Brunts in every game,
like we watch when Bronson's in fall trouble or gets
his spell on the bench, that Karl Anthony Towns has
to pretty much do everything and occasionally, yeah, Josh Harder
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or Ananobe will have a big night, but it's really
on the shoulders of those two guys with the pacers.
Haliburton's fantastic, but he doesn't have to bear that burden
just yet. Could he want to do that down the road?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Sure? Will Carlisle and company do that too? No?
Speaker 6 (24:21):
No, I mean because they've built the perfect balanced roster
where they don't have to right now. You can get
out and run and get out and play. And you
got guys that'll spot up and shoot and shoot well
time and again. You got guys that will battle in
math and and turner for you. So you've got all
the other elements that give you a winning construct. But yeah,
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in the moment, Yeah, Haliburton's gonna get all the love
in the world, right because we love the next great stories.
Why you know, Sga on the other side of the bracket.
For as much as folks want to talk about the
free throw merchant and whatever else, he controls games, right,
it's it's his invisible hand over the top of everything
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else going on. And Halliburton on a night like tonight, yeah,
he forced the issue. Yeah, I give him all the
What he's done in this playoffs has been fantastic. It's
enough to make a legend he's done. But it's not
like he's doing it all by himself.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And the look, you don't make it all the way
to the Eastern Conference finals, one went away from the
NBA Finals. If you're a one player team, right, you see,
there's there's so many other of all the dagger moments
tonight like like Halliburton was terrific, But dagger moments from
Topping and dagger moments from Myles Turner, I mean kills you.
I mean really, I mean this is how you're winning
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and and and I know that being prisoner of the
moment because I get it being because it's what we
do every night, is we're talking about it. But just
watching him play, Yeah, he's terrific. But I've seen him
play during the season. I've seen him play in another
playoff rounds, and he's not nearly as jacked up. He's
not nearly as motivated. You know, his dad comes back tonight,
and hey, you don't see any more evidence than that
the PACER's wait to bring his dad back and comes back.
Dad comes back to watch him play tonight. Look out good.
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He is like, oh my goodness, Like he's jacked up
to play the Knicks. All the entire team is way
more jacked up to play the Knicks than they would
be playing the Celtics. At this point, they just are
and they're living that. Who else was jacked up? Chase,
you got jacked up? The Knicks got jacked up.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Knicks fans celebrating like they won the title after Game three,
they were jacked up.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
All the Knicks and six next six Shala May and Stiller.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Yeah yeah, dopes, Yeah you know, uh yeah, just set
me that before the game.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Look at these dopes. But like, let's get that that
the Pacers didn't come into this playoff being an overwhelming favorite.
Well they did. They were expected to come into the Okay,
maybe they get out of the first boy Pacers Bucks
will be interesting, but they're gonna go home to the cop.
They're on a big heater right now. It's all working
at his magic. Dude, you've been your team has been
(26:52):
home for a month now, Okay, just understand that my
team is better than your team. Hey, he had past
the Celtics. I know, I know, he's ghost. Just stop.
You couldn't smoke the teams and getting smoked by thunder
Dick's Uh, there's four teams left and where one of them?
(27:13):
Your you?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Two weeks ago, your team was out two two rounds
ago series and is not going to be close.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Your team was out two rounds ago. This is like
if you and I are having a drinking contest and
it's like your year passed out? What Frostburg passed out? Yeah?
That was like four rounds ago. He passed, I'm still going,
still going. Yeah, opening not that I recommend having drinking contact,
No that, don't do that. And it was light. Don't
have service announced, don't.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Pacers were fifty to one before the season to hoist
the title, and.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Then it was like five hundred to one against the Knicks.
You would have thought listening to uh somebody.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Last week, you know yeah, uh again, Knicks were sixteen
to one. You said, be careful what you wish for.
I had no choice in who the Knicks were playing
in this round. I had absolutely no choice. Well, but
you did talk a big game. We got something waiting
for you. Yeah, yeah, I thought, But now apparently, but
you know what they said. Rick Carlisle said, oh wait,
I'm going to out coach your coach and that's how
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this is gonna go. Oh all right, then, okay, you
see this guy Nie Smith, he's over here. I mean, really,
the Pacers are pulling different heroes out all the time,
right Nie Smith, siakam top And they're pulling heroes out
all the time, where the Knicks every time down the court,
it's a drop of blood to get to get a
But say this thud, like the Obie top and three
(28:38):
point shot. You take a dunk, you take a big rebound,
you take a.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Block shot, Obi top and finding himself at the top
of the key for an open three, Like that's the
the entire NBA Gods. However, many of them there are
lower case g They're all laughing and pointing at the
knicks at that point when Obie's up and getting a
three point shot, that pretty much puts the game permanently
(29:06):
out of reach.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I mean, he's not suddenly a top five MB when
he plays the next Yeah. Well, unfortunately lots of guys
are because they get all jacked up to go play
the next.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
I'm like everything, you find your motivation, right, you find
your wins. You've got teams you coached against. Maybe you
didn't like the coach, maybe didn't like uh, you know
one of the players on the other squad played a
little bit and only with the in the boundaries, uh,
and stretch the rules and forced the official makes the decisions.
You didn't like them, but they raised their game and
(29:36):
they got in your head and you had to change.
Saying for Halliburton right now, he's that guy. For Tom
Thibodeau vexing him to where the last of those hairs.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Going, Burton vexing him, or his Nie Smith vexing him
or vexing him right, or is Mathron vexing him off
the bench?
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Well, Mathron vexes everybody because you're afraid one of your
guys ain't getting up while vexing like all those get
ata me looks more and more like Robert Carlisle to
me today. Every time he shows up in the replay
of his presser or a little bit of shots off
the sideline there, I'm keep waiting for him to, you know,
(30:13):
pull out a line or two from the full Moni
or something at her exit out about a Fresca exit.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Swallen Dome, Jason Smith, Mike Carmon live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios, time out to find out what's trending
in the wide world of sports. So someone who's been
called the Benedict Mathren of Fox Sports Radio, he has
a lot of work done in a very short amount
of time. It's Steve Disager.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Oh it's better than being the Benedict Darnold, a Fox
Sports ron.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You know Ben Addono who took command of the United
States Navy in seventeen eighty and then was buried after
he died in London.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
That's right, because he kind of took their side.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah. Oh, he had a good run.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
I've seen the Brady bunch. Okay, all right, very good,
very good.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
We actually had that question at trivia on Sunday and
we were like, boy, I don't know who it is.
You know. They play a music clue and we're like,
I'm going, oh, boy took command of the Navy in
seventeen eighty, buried in London, thinking is it Lafayette. No,
We're thinking about Hamilton going back. And then they play
Eggman by the Beastie Boys, which I know every word
to and I'm wrapping along to it and I'm going,
what digger, what's the song? It's Eggman by the Beastie Boys,
(31:11):
and he goes, oh, Benedict Arnold, Benedict bened Dedtona got
it right, and I'm going egg Man. We all dressed
in black. We stuck up around the back. We began
two attacks and I'm handing up the papers. I'm dancing
up to the guy. He's like, what are you doing?
This is egg Man? It's egg Man.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
That is a circuitous route to the correct answer, but hey, correct,
it's correct, and you know, ap points out for this
NBA postseason. This is the third straight playoffs in the
NBA where both conference finals are at three games to
one at this point, or simply a four game sweep
already at this point. We'll talk NBA right now, get
to the NFL news of the day in a moment.
(31:49):
But the Pacers are up three games to one in
the Eastern Conference Finals after beating New York again one
thirty to one twenty one Tyrese Haliburt not only with
a triple double, it included fifteen assists and no turnovers.
Teammate pass goal Siakam with thirty points, Jalen Brunson thirty
one points in defeat. All five WNBA games are finals
wins for Phoenix in Atlanta in a battle of zero
(32:11):
and four teams, Dallas won at Connecticut and former Yukon
star Paige Becker's for Dallas twenty one points, New York's
four to oh after beating up Golden State Minnesota five
and oh. After a narrow win against Seattle in the
NHL playoffs, Edmonton up three games to one in the
West Final after beating Dallas four to one. Edmonton in
the last three games has outscored the Stars thirteen to two.
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Out of the NFL, pass rusher Joey Bosa, now with
the Bills, is likely out until training camp with a
caf in.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh, come on, don't lie to me. He's not. Come on,
Joey Bosa doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
The guy's an iron man.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Actually, he was hurting a team workout last week, hurt
before OTAs for crying out loud. Buffalo running back James
Cook did not report for voluntary workouts wanting a new contract.
Also missing the start of OTAs, Falcons quarterback Kirk Cousins
and tight end Kyle's. Steelers linebacker TJ. Watt did not attend,
and Yes, Bucks defensive end Hassan Reddick was missing. Twenty
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teams opened OTA's five other teams start Wednesday. Cleveland signed
first round defensive tackle Mason Graham. The Lions signed linebacker
Zat Cunningham. Elected into the Broncos Ring of Fame wide
receiver Damarius Thomas, who passed away in twenty twenty one,
The Colt Jerseys will have a patch to honor their
late owner, Jim ers Coco goffswe after first round match
(33:28):
at the French Open. American Jessica pagoul also advanced. Novak Djokovic,
seated sixth, won his first rounder in late night Major
League Baseball Action Everything's Final, the Padres took the late game,
even though San Diego trailed the Marlins six to nothing
in the top of the first. Padres win eight to
six over Miami. Pittsburgh trailed six nothing going to the
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sixth inning and won nine to six at Arizona seven
runs top of the eighth for the Pirates. Corbin Burns
no decision. He allowed just two runs in seven innings
for the Dbacks. Seattle over Washington nine to one. Cow
Raley of the Mariners hit his eighteenth and nineteenth home
runs of the season. Mariners are first in the ALS
game and a half over Houston, which won eleven to
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one against the A's Hunter Brown having a great season
on the mound for the Astros seven and three ERA
of two. He had eight strikeouts in six innings in
this one, and the Yankees held on three to two.
At the Angels, it was three to nothing in the ninth.
Carlos Rodin. Rodin is seven and three now seven scoreless innings,
ten strikeouts.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Tonight.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
The Yankees have won fifteen of the last nineteen games
they've played. The Cubs with two in the bottom of
the eleventh beat Colorado four to three. The Rockies are
zero to eighteen in series so far this season. Milwaukee
on a grand slam in the tenth from Christian Yelich
beat Boston five to one. Wins for Philadelphia and the Dodgers.
Sho heo tani is twentieth Homer back to you.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Thank you, Steve. The Jason Smith Show with My best
friend Mike Harbon Live the Fox Sports A Radio Studios.
Coming up next, we got a big basketball story that
broke today. We've been spending a lot of time talking
about this for a week and it turns out it
didn't happen. That's next Fox.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with My best
friend Mike Harmon. Yeah, we'll get back to the next
funeral coming up in about ten minutes. They had a
good run. Yeah, well yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah yeah, yes, yes, yes,
I had zero expectation coming into this postseason. Here we
are still alive, at least for one more day. But
(35:38):
this big story today out of the WNBA, and it's
it's crazy because you could see this coming and it's
just been a week of bad publicity for something that
should have never gone this far. The WNBA announced today
that they are unable to verify any hateful fan comments
(35:58):
towards Angel Reese stemming from the incident that took place
between the Sky and the Fever game opening day in
the WNBA. I remember, going back to WNBA game, Angel
Reese pushes a Fever player in the back, doesn't get
called for a foul. Caitlin Clark, a little upset, grabs
Angel Reese going up with the basketball. Angel Reese tries
to flop call, you know, get a foul, is upset.
(36:21):
She probably hit the deck, gets up to get in
Caitlin Clark's face. Caitlyn Clark walks away from her, and
it became a thing, and there were social media reports
that said, oh hey, bad things are being said towards
Angel Reese after this happened, And as soon as this happened,
the WNBA put out a statement saying we're gonna look
(36:42):
into it. The Sky put out a statement saying there's
no place for this in the game. The Fever put
out a statement saying there's no place for this in
the game, and the WNBA looked into it right right away.
You heard a lot of people saying I didn't see it.
Dave Portnoy was very big saying I didn't hear anything
said like this. I didn't hear this going on. And
they come out today and say they couldn't find anything.
Quote based on information gathered, including from relevant fans, team
(37:06):
and arena staff, as well as audio and video review
of the game, we have not substantiated it. And this
goes to show you what I've said about the W
from the beginning is still something they're dealing with in
year two ac after Caitlyn is that the biggest thing
for the W is you got to be able to
(37:26):
handle success. Right. You've been a league that's been trying
to break through for a long time. You've done a
lot of great things. You all of a sudden, you
break through because Caitlyn Clark shows up. She's the biggest
star in sports, and you've had a great instances of
growth you've also had a lot of controversy that you
really don't need, and really you don't want the racial controversy.
You can't have that, that's the one thing you want.
(37:48):
You can have rivalries you have about basketball, you can
have players hate each other, but boy, when you have
people break along racial lines, that's not good man. That's
not something that sells in twenty twenty five. So be
able to handle success. And what did the WNBA do?
What happened after the social media ran and made the
WNBA investigate something. The WNBA should have come out right
(38:09):
away and said, okay, we've heard this, we're looking into
it about guys, don't worry about it. We got it,
we're looking into it. Couldn't find anything, Okay, boom, moving on.
But instead, oh here we come out with a statement.
Of course you're against it, of course everybody's But now
you've legitimized this story that, oh, here's somebody who said
something when you didn't know if it happened. And now
this looks like again a bunch of people on social
(38:31):
media who maybe was just saying it because they wanted
to back angel Reees, because they were angel rees fans
didn't like the fact that the foul happened, whatever it was,
you allowed social media to push forth a bad storyline
for you for the last week. Right, the w really
needs to show that we have everything up. We're a
big deal. We're a big entity now, all right, we
know what we're doing and we have confidence and we
(38:54):
were able to keep every keep a lid on everything
we have going on that could be bad. But I
have not seen that now because again, you just watched
people on Twitter saying stuff and now here's a big investigation,
here's big statements in here. Seven days of bad publicity
that the league didn't need.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Oh, I would love to see some more substance to
what actually invest was investigating. How many people you talk to,
the fact that you had the sky coach say, hey,
we ask directly, you know, when did you become aware
of what allegedly happened during the game? Quote when everyone
else did. I think it's something that we heard about.
And so we're just forthcoming with anything that the league
(39:30):
is able to do investigation wise, and obviously everybody is
going to denounce such activity and words and that. But
when we came on air on the Monday after the game, right,
you saw the big effort from Caitlin Clark triple double.
But obviously that play and then this allegation becomes the flashpoint. Well,
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there was no reaction from any player, and it's loud, right,
there's no being able to, I guess prove the negative
in this case. I mean, you can't say one hundred
percent it didn't happen. But if it was as loud
and vocal and directed an Angel Reese that no teammate,
nobody off the bench, no officials, nobody off the fever like,
(40:19):
nobody heard it like in that moment, right, and again
somebody we would would.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Have said something if it was said right there, we
will by Monday.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
I mean that's forty eight hours later, nothing and then
it takes another several days before you get to an
endgame and you come out with the state, Yeah, well
we got nothing, and so you breathed a lot of
life into it. And for a game that's trying to
make strides and grow, these are huge setbacks because you're
(40:49):
you're picking up things off social media.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
You're you're losing control of the narrative is what you're doing,
and it's really dangerous and w you you got to
grow up and say yeah, we can handle our business.
You got to handle six handle it. We'll have more
on this story coming up next hour. Another wrangle to it,
want to get to but also we get back to
the biggest story of the night, which is the next
funeral fu
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Hello, Welcome in side our three, The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon. The Subtle come out tomorrow. Hey,
that's one. Sorry, buddy, they beat the White Hot sorr
hear you? Sorry? Yeah, yeah, yeah, jure. The Eastern Conference
Finals and the Western Conference Finals both sit at three
games to one after the Pacers. I don't think missed
(00:50):
a shot tonight in beating the Knicks one eighty seven
to one oh one. Ar least just seemed like it
was one eighty seven one one one one twenty one?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
What wrong?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Is there? A prayer for either of the teams down
three to one to come back and make the NBA Finals?
Joining us now in the hotline nobody better Fox Sports
One NBA Insider extraordinay check out the On the Ball
podcast as well. He's on Twitter at Rick Buker. It
is Rick Buker. What's happening? Man? Make me happy?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Rick?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Tell me it's not over it. But even though I'm
sure it's over, I well.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
I told you last week, last time we spoke, I
said they're going to get one.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
That's true, It's true.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
You did.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I did when you were you were doing gloom after
they lost the first two at home, and you were
it was like it's over, it's done.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
I was like, it's not quite yet. Not quite yet,
you'll get one.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
So you just need to go back and savor that one.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Just watch that you off season. Just watch game three?
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah, actually, actually no.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
You know what I could see.
Speaker 3 (02:03):
I see a possibility in which they are which they
could potentially to a six game. I think that there's
enough grit with this team, and there's enough pride, and
then the difference between these two teams isn't isn't that great?
If Josh Hart would stop trying to throw it through
(02:25):
Indiana Pacers to get the.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Ball to it, it would go a long.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Way towards changing the outcome. But I mean, honestly, and
not to not to do a you know, a breakdown
of the entire series at this point. But I mean,
I think they're always going to look back at that
game one as as the turning point.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That certainly was for me.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
I had the Knicks winning in seven, and when they
lost that, I was like, I don't I flipped it
to the Pacers back game.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
For thirty years in the NBA, we're still look back
at the Reggie Miller choke game. We're gonna look back
at that game for thirty years. Rick.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Yeah, Well, when you say wean.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Fans, Nick, everybody, when Halliburton's kid is playing for the
Pacers in thirty years, remember this. And then before that
it was Red and Reggie Miller's going to be ninety
eight years old walking around Central Park going, remember I
was the one that started all of it. That's what's
gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You guys and Reggie Miller are going to live that
exact life. The rest of us are going to go
on and live our life.
Speaker 5 (03:34):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
The thing that gets me, Rick is that, look, I
told you, look, I had no confidence after the first two.
Get you can't lose a game one like that. It's
just such a big deal. But what I'm seeing over
the course of the series is, Man, I know the
Knicks offense, I know the Knicks roster is not constructed
defensively because you still have Brunson and Towns that are
getting taken advantage of. But Wow, I feel like Tibbs
(03:56):
has no answer or idea what Carlisle and how they're
going to change the attack because the Pacers keep giving
them new rinkles every game and the Knicks have no
they have no response to it tonight. If the Pacers
had five difficult baskets tonight, I'd be surprised if the
number was that high.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Yeah, it's you're right, and a big part of that
is though that they won. Rick has a multitude of
guys that he can use in different ways, and this
has always been his strength, going back to when he
had Jermaine O'Neil.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
He would find he.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Had about nineteen different ways to get Jermaine O'Neil the
ball in the exact same place on the floor, just
like all this stuff would happen, and there he was
again on the right post, turning into the middle using
his left hand.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
So it's what Rick Carla has always been able to do.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
They have a very high basketball IQ team and I
think that that's where I think that that's what's been.
Speaker 4 (04:58):
Exposed the most year. Uh And as a reason for the.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
For the Knicks being as erratic as they are, you know,
Josh Josh Hart has not played a cerebral game. O
g Anonoby has not played a cerebral game. You know,
put put jail in the brunts and brunton aside.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
I think he knows what he's doing out there.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Kat can be up and down in that in that category,
and when you get to this point when it's the
final four of the NBA, you just you can't afford
to you can't afford to play that way. The Minnesota
Timberwolves are going through the exact same thing where and
we've seen this with teams that end up going to
the finals, they generally they don't beat themselves.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
They make you beat them.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
And and what we saw tonight is a microcosm of
what has been happening in the series, which is the
New York Knicks. As much as the Indiana Pacers have done,
it's really been the The big difference has been that
the Knicks have been doing it to themselves.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
Do you talk about the turnover total, but I mean,
I'd be remiss. I didn't, you know, address the elephant
in the room. Rick, how many points was John Halliburton worth?
Speaker 3 (06:09):
In me? Lu Yeah, well, uh, obviously a lot when
it comes to Tyres Halliburton setting a record with a
triple double and zero turnovers. Look, I think I think
it was the right thing to happen. I'm glad that
he had a chance to come come back in. I'm
(06:30):
glad that it wasn't courtside or anywhere near the court.
I'm glad that the the view of the shocks of
him were were minimal. But I think he's I think
he served his time. I think it was a it
It sent a message to anybody else who's thinking about
(06:51):
participating and getting on the court. So I'm you know,
I'm glad he was there.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
But you know that's that. I just feel like the
Pacers kind of they feel.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Like a team of destiny in the same way that
that the Oklahoma City thunderdo.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
But here's the one thing though, Rick, Okay, John Halliburton
was banned, he had the band lifted. If the Knicks
could get Tyrese Haliburton band, maybe they win the series.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Probably what it would now, I think they get for death.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
I think TJ. McConnell would just step in and the
incredible the way he said, here's this, this is the
most this is the most troubling result of tonight's game
is we saw Tibbs go to his bench early and often,
and I can just see him after he says.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
This is why I don't play. We're going to go back.
Speaker 3 (07:49):
He's going to go back to playing playing four guys.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
He's going to go the other direction. Evergan who said
it if if tis it's a baseball team, he wouldn't
play nine players.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
True, I'm gonna have two outfielders play right in left
center field and we're gonna play. Now here's my big
hot take. Rick is looking at that. I mean, it's
so weird that there's so many things wrong with a
team in the Eastern Conference Finals. But I'm looking at
next you and I say, you know what, if the
Knicks fail here, I would not be surprised if Kat
(08:24):
plus are delt away and maybe it's someone like Giannis
or something else, because this team is not configured. Great.
I mean, again, you're in the Eastern Conference Finals, but
you're seeing how far away you are, you have no bench,
you know your defense, you guys. You can't put those
guys out there and still expect them to be as
cohesive there. They've lost their identity under TIBs. Like if
they lose this series, they go out, like I can
(08:46):
see Kat being a one and done in New York
and him and somebody else getting delt away and here
comes Giannis or here comes something else back to the Knicks.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Yeah, the question is gonna be that obviously there's a
relationship between Carl Anthony Towns and Leon Rows, president of
the team and his former agent, and how much that
would play into you know, does.
Speaker 4 (09:07):
Towns want to leave or does he want to stay?
Or would they try to do would they try to.
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Do something else. I'm with you, I don't think it's
a great shit, But I also don't think you have
to go like and try to get a Giannis to me,
a Demonte the Bonus or a Franz Wagner down in Orlando.
Is the kind of forward that you need because I
(09:33):
need to take one of the responsibilities that Brunson has.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Off his off his plate.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
And if if you had more of a playmaking forward
and Jalen could play off of that. I think they
would be better than they are than they are right now.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
And so.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
You know, I'm sure that they're going to swing for
the fences, and there's gonna be a lot of talk
about trying to big bring a big name, you know,
one of the other ones, Kevin Durant, that's been Dolly
Calvert's push that they would be better with kd and
and I could see where they could be marginally better
with Kdan than with than with Towns, because I think
(10:19):
he would just be more consistent. But I really think
if you're going to find the perfect combo with Jalen,
it has to be somebody who's not just a pure scorer,
but as a playmaker that can get everybody else, everybody
else going, because I just I think it's too much
to ask for Jalen to play closer, mister clutch and
(10:44):
mister playmaker at the same time.
Speaker 6 (10:46):
Let's switch to the other series because we've got fun
fun there, and Jason, I'll vouch for me. I've done
nothing but extole the virtues of lou Dort going back
many a year, so I appreciate defensive acumen and whatever else.
How's an that he Edwards so passive in a game
that they need.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
Well, you know, a big part of it is that
his game is not as mature as people want to
make it out to be.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
A big part of it is, And I've been asking
the question.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm like, why, if we're going to paint or label
Anthony Edwards as a superstar, why doesn't he have the
game that SGA has. Why isn't he able to get
to the free throw line? Why does he not have
the mid range game? I think the spending last summer
at the Olympics with Steph and deciding that you know,
he wanted to be able to shoot the three like
(11:39):
Steph might have been the worst thing that has happened
and to the Minnesota Timberwolves because fifty percent of the
shot that he took during the regular season we're threes,
and the the price that was paid was.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
His mid range game.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
It was he took far fewer and made far fewer
than he had almost I think going back to his
rookie year and as we know, when you get to
the playoffs, having a mid range game, being able to
operate from the mid range is vital for a guy
who's going to be the playmaker for your team. And
(12:18):
I think the most damning stat I saw was that, say,
Gildas Alexander is averaging five point eight mid range shots
a game, and Anthony Edwards is averaging one. And that's
why he's passive because and he told us the other
part is like sometimes he can't read the defense. He
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needs Dante to tell him, Dante Devincenzo to tell him
what the defense is doing and how they're playing.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Like that is that is the most.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
Alarming admission by a star player that I can recall
ever hearing in my life. I mean, we're talking about
we're comparing this guy to Michael Jordan and he can't
read defenses. And if you can't read the defense and
it looks the floor looks muddy, you're going to be tentive, intentative.
(13:10):
You're going to like not be sure of where you
can go. And if you can't, you can't, like or
from the mid range, then all you're looking for is
is there a path for me to get to the rim?
And if there isn't, again, that's what's going to make
a guy hesitant or tentatives. And so that's what he's
been consistently through this series except when in transitions when
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the defense isn't as set and he has the opportunity
to find a scene. And so if he's going to
take the next step, if he's going to evolve, and
he's going to lead the Minnesota Timberwolves anywhere, then that
is this summer. It's got to be forget about the threes.
Let's develop a mid range game, and let's figure mentally
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how it is that or understand the importance as the
best player on a team. I can't come out and
play the entire be the only guy on my team
to play the entire twelve minutes in the first quarter
and not take a shot until the final minute.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Like you just have to understand.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
As the leader of a team, you can't possibly approach
the game that way.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
He's on Twitter at Rick Buker. That is at Rick Buker.
Check out the on the Ball podcast this week as well, Rick,
What do you have on the Ball podcast? Future definations for.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Cat or what I'm going to break down every one
of Josh Hart's turnovers.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Okay, we meant to pass the two and who ended
up with it?
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So that's gonna be a three hour podcast, all right,
all right, good luck drink water, hydrate, very important. Take
it easy, buddy.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
There we go and it will be a three hour podcast.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
And I think Rick put it right on the button.
Speaker 6 (14:52):
I'm going to throw it through multiple defenders or I'm
going to bounce it off them, and my guy's going.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
To pick up the scrap. How much you want to
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Is that mean name? Prefers? American Airlines, American Eagle. Uh
let's break down more of the Tyres Halliburton Hall of
Fame game that he had tonight.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Because he's off of this game, right, he's trading on
that overrated tag. And I know, I know, they're only
ninety people voted, only fourteen voted for him.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
It's statistically relevant. Let's uh let let's break down just
how great how to put Tyre's Halliburton and and and
break him down as fairly and accurately as there is possible.
Speaker 6 (17:53):
How about we do I don't know, folks say, hey,
credit the defense when a guy doesn't show up. How
about we say the lack of defense made him great tonight?
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Well? Sure well and made others great as well. Now
look to give to say this about Tyres Halibert because yeah, okay, spoiler,
he's not as great as you think he is. Okay
that there's your spoil Roha, how Dar's great as you
think he is? Tonight he had the Night of Nights
right thirty two fifteen or sist twelve rebounds, no turners,
Nobody in the history of the NBA he has had
a night show. He was. He was terrific tonight. Tyre's
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Halliburton is on a playoff heater. He is on an
absolute unreal heater right now. You've seen through the first
three rounds and clearly when he has motivated his game
ups a level now at this point been in the
league a few years. If you're that great, you're at
a higher level than this most times. But Tyre's halliburt
is someone who led the NBA and assists, but he's
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an eighteen to twenty point a game scorer, right, Tyre's
Halliburton is really really good. But all of a sudden
this last month it's been, Oh, I gotta find some
way to fall over myself and talk about how great
Tyre's Halliburton is. The biggest shot of his career is
a miracle shot that bounces off the rim, straight up
in the air and back through. Okay, let's understand that
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that's the shot, right He and again, he is playing
terrific shooters touch, he is on a month heater unlike
he's had in his NBA career, and he is playing
alongside other players who are on the biggest heaters of
their career. Again, this is now. There are four players
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with the Pacers that have had the games of their
lives in this round against the Knicks. Okay's really driving
Haliburton Game one and Game four, Right, game of his
life as good as you thought. Game one was for Halliburton,
This game of his life. In Game four, Pascal Siakam
game of his life in Game two against the Knicks. Right,
(19:48):
you've watched Tonight Mathern game of his life in twelve minutes,
scoring twenty points against the Knicks. Tonight right Nesmith the
game of his life in Game one in the third
and fourth quarter against the Knicks. That's four players who
have had and I'm not being the exaggeration prisoner moment,
those are four players who have had the games of
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their life in this series against the Knicks. The Knicks
have so many defensive issues because of the way Tibbs
has configured the roster, because of how relying on a
team where Brunson and towns. Play so many minutes in
your best two players. It's not good. If this was
if this was Halliburton being great, it would be boy,
look at him. He's forty points every game. But he's
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not right. He's having a great series. But other guys
are shooting the light. This whole team is shooting over
fifty percent from the floor, this entire first this entire
series against the Knicks. Halliburton is really good. But yet
here's a month long playoff. Yeah, we might remember this
as the playoffs of Haliburton, right, this is the Haliburt,
the Haliburton Hall of Fame game. He's not as great
as everybody says, as I want to present, because people
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are gonna look for ways to say, well, we got
to say how great Halliburton is and find a way. Yet, Haliburton,
he is playing right now. He's great, right now, he's great,
right now, he's great. For the playoffs, he's been great.
But you also have to understand, as we heard from
Rick Buker a few minutes ago, Hey, this is what
Rick Carlyle does. He puts together a deep team where
he can have guys come in and are interchangeable parts,
and it doesn't always need to be Halliburton. It could
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be Nie Smith in a game. It could be Mathron
in the game. Look Obi Toppins come off the bench
to make big shots. Nemhard's had big games, just not
in this series, right Miles Turner tonight was single handedly
keeping the Nickson foul trouble with plays that I can't
believe that the officials let go. But Halliburton is really good.
But this has been a month where he has been
the head of a very large snake that has found
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a way to have other players step up and say,
this is a night this guy's never gonna have. The
Knicks defense is terrible. They were able to expose a
Bucks team in the first round, which clearly is not
nearly what they thought it was. They beat the Cavs
and the best offense in the NBA. All kinds of
credit for that. But yeah, Halliburton's really good. But he's
all of a sudden he's a top five NBA player.
No he's not. He's not that he's not.
Speaker 6 (21:58):
But what's great about it is he's a guy that
you can get excited about what's still to come. Right,
You look at it this year for the Pacers about
five plus assists per turnover eighteen point six points per game,
not world beating back to back years before that, just
slightly over twenty points per game. But he's only twenty
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five years old. It was telling you the lamentation in
Chicago today in preparation of this game, since I mean,
you can only talk about I don't know that guy
from the Cubs who's been so dominant Suzuki, as well as.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
That the other guy forgot his name. Don't worry about it.
Go back to basketball, go back to basket public service. Yeah, Pete,
Pete Alonzo.
Speaker 6 (22:42):
Yes, he's that fantastic, but you've got those stories. But otherwise,
when we're talking to NBA, it's the the Bulls. In
their draft, they they took Patrick Williams instead of taking
Tyree's Alim and it was a debate in the front
off the like and it's now being malay and dredged
up again as you have this run because you're thinking
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about what could be and the fact that he can
a take over a game and he can also make
other players better, and you saw that on full display
here and you have over the course of these Bloods has.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
He has a couple of no show efforts. Absolutely has right.
Speaker 6 (23:18):
He had a game in the Cleveland series where they
got drummed and he had four points. He's had a
little turned ankle here and there and rolling through, but
all of that to say, he's still on the comes.
So while it's too early to crown him, you recognize
the organizational strengths that you've put him in and you've
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given him the best opportunity to succeed. That's really all
you can hope for. Right, He doesn't have to be
the guy with the weight of the world on his
shoulders like we watch with Jalen Brunts in every game,
like we watch when Bronson's in fall trouble or gets
his spell on the bench, that Karl Anthony Towns has
to pretty much do everything and occasionally, yeah, Josh Harder
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or Ananobe will have a big night, but it's really
on the shoulders of those two guys with the pacers.
Haliburton's fantastic, but he doesn't have to bear that burden
just yet. Could he want to do that down the road?
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Sure? Will Carlisle and company do that too? No?
Speaker 6 (24:21):
No, I mean because they've built the perfect balanced roster
where they don't have to right now. You can get
out and run and get out and play. And you
got guys that'll spot up and shoot and shoot well
time and again. You got guys that will battle in
math and and turner for you. So you've got all
the other elements that give you a winning construct. But yeah,
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in the moment, Yeah, Haliburton's gonna get all the love
in the world, right because we love the next great stories.
Why you know, Sga on the other side of the bracket.
For as much as folks want to talk about the
free throw merchant and whatever else, he controls games, right,
it's it's his invisible hand over the top of everything
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else going on. And Halliburton on a night like tonight, yeah,
he forced the issue. Yeah, I give him all the
What he's done in this playoffs has been fantastic. It's
enough to make a legend he's done. But it's not
like he's doing it all by himself.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
And the look, you don't make it all the way
to the Eastern Conference finals, one went away from the
NBA Finals. If you're a one player team, right, you see,
there's there's so many other of all the dagger moments
tonight like like Halliburton was terrific, But dagger moments from
Topping and dagger moments from Myles Turner, I mean kills you.
I mean really, I mean this is how you're winning
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and and and I know that being prisoner of the
moment because I get it being because it's what we
do every night, is we're talking about it. But just
watching him play, Yeah, he's terrific. But I've seen him
play during the season. I've seen him play in another
playoff rounds, and he's not nearly as jacked up. He's
not nearly as motivated. You know, his dad comes back tonight,
and hey, you don't see any more evidence than that
the PACER's wait to bring his dad back and comes back.
Dad comes back to watch him play tonight. Look out good.
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He is like, oh my goodness, Like he's jacked up
to play the Knicks. All the entire team is way
more jacked up to play the Knicks than they would
be playing the Celtics. At this point, they just are
and they're living that. Who else was jacked up? Chase,
you got jacked up? The Knicks got jacked up.
Speaker 5 (26:15):
Knicks fans celebrating like they won the title after Game three,
they were jacked up.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
All the Knicks and six next six Shala May and Stiller.
Speaker 6 (26:25):
Yeah yeah, dopes, Yeah you know, uh yeah, just set
me that before the game.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Look at these dopes. But like, let's get that that
the Pacers didn't come into this playoff being an overwhelming favorite.
Well they did. They were expected to come into the Okay,
maybe they get out of the first boy Pacers Bucks
will be interesting, but they're gonna go home to the cop.
They're on a big heater right now. It's all working
at his magic. Dude, you've been your team has been
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home for a month now, Okay, just understand that my
team is better than your team. Hey, he had past
the Celtics. I know, I know, he's ghost. Just stop.
You couldn't smoke the teams and getting smoked by thunder
Dick's Uh, there's four teams left and where one of them?
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Your you?
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Two weeks ago, your team was out two two rounds
ago series and is not going to be close.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Your team was out two rounds ago. This is like
if you and I are having a drinking contest and
it's like your year passed out? What Frostburg passed out? Yeah?
That was like four rounds ago. He passed, I'm still going,
still going. Yeah, opening not that I recommend having drinking contact,
No that, don't do that. And it was light. Don't
have service announced, don't.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Pacers were fifty to one before the season to hoist
the title, and.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Then it was like five hundred to one against the Knicks.
You would have thought listening to uh somebody.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Last week, you know yeah, uh again, Knicks were sixteen
to one. You said, be careful what you wish for.
I had no choice in who the Knicks were playing
in this round. I had absolutely no choice. Well, but
you did talk a big game. We got something waiting
for you. Yeah, yeah, I thought, But now apparently, but
you know what they said. Rick Carlisle said, oh wait,
I'm going to out coach your coach and that's how
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this is gonna go. Oh all right, then, okay, you
see this guy Nie Smith, he's over here. I mean, really,
the Pacers are pulling different heroes out all the time,
right Nie Smith, siakam top And they're pulling heroes out
all the time, where the Knicks every time down the court,
it's a drop of blood to get to get a
But say this thud, like the Obie top and three
(28:38):
point shot. You take a dunk, you take a big rebound,
you take a.
Speaker 6 (28:43):
Block shot, Obi top and finding himself at the top
of the key for an open three, Like that's the
the entire NBA Gods. However, many of them there are
lower case g They're all laughing and pointing at the
knicks at that point when Obie's up and getting a
three point shot, that pretty much puts the game permanently
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out of reach.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
I mean, he's not suddenly a top five MB when
he plays the next Yeah. Well, unfortunately lots of guys
are because they get all jacked up to go play
the next.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
I'm like everything, you find your motivation, right, you find
your wins. You've got teams you coached against. Maybe you
didn't like the coach, maybe didn't like uh, you know
one of the players on the other squad played a
little bit and only with the in the boundaries, uh,
and stretch the rules and forced the official makes the decisions.
You didn't like them, but they raised their game and
(29:36):
they got in your head and you had to change.
Saying for Halliburton right now, he's that guy. For Tom
Thibodeau vexing him to where the last of those hairs.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
Going, Burton vexing him, or his Nie Smith vexing him
or vexing him right, or is Mathron vexing him off
the bench?
Speaker 6 (29:52):
Well, Mathron vexes everybody because you're afraid one of your
guys ain't getting up while vexing like all those get
ata me looks more and more like Robert Carlisle to
me today. Every time he shows up in the replay
of his presser or a little bit of shots off
the sideline there, I'm keep waiting for him to, you know,
(30:13):
pull out a line or two from the full Moni
or something at her exit out about a Fresca exit.
Speaker 1 (30:18):
Swallen Dome, Jason Smith, Mike Carmon live from the Fox
Sports Radio studios, time out to find out what's trending
in the wide world of sports. So someone who's been
called the Benedict Mathren of Fox Sports Radio, he has
a lot of work done in a very short amount
of time. It's Steve Disager.
Speaker 7 (30:31):
Oh it's better than being the Benedict Darnold, a Fox
Sports ron.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
You know Ben Addono who took command of the United
States Navy in seventeen eighty and then was buried after
he died in London.
Speaker 7 (30:42):
That's right, because he kind of took their side.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yeah. Oh, he had a good run.
Speaker 7 (30:46):
I've seen the Brady bunch. Okay, all right, very good,
very good.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
We actually had that question at trivia on Sunday and
we were like, boy, I don't know who it is.
You know. They play a music clue and we're like,
I'm going, oh, boy took command of the Navy in
seventeen eighty, buried in London, thinking is it Lafayette. No,
We're thinking about Hamilton going back. And then they play
Eggman by the Beastie Boys, which I know every word
to and I'm wrapping along to it and I'm going,
what digger, what's the song? It's Eggman by the Beastie Boys,
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and he goes, oh, Benedict Arnold, Benedict bened Dedtona got
it right, and I'm going egg Man. We all dressed
in black. We stuck up around the back. We began
two attacks and I'm handing up the papers. I'm dancing
up to the guy. He's like, what are you doing?
This is egg Man? It's egg Man.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
That is a circuitous route to the correct answer, but hey, correct,
it's correct, and you know, ap points out for this
NBA postseason. This is the third straight playoffs in the
NBA where both conference finals are at three games to
one at this point, or simply a four game sweep
already at this point. We'll talk NBA right now, get
to the NFL news of the day in a moment.
(31:49):
But the Pacers are up three games to one in
the Eastern Conference Finals after beating New York again one
thirty to one twenty one Tyrese Haliburt not only with
a triple double, it included fifteen assists and no turnovers.
Teammate pass goal Siakam with thirty points, Jalen Brunson thirty
one points in defeat. All five WNBA games are finals
wins for Phoenix in Atlanta in a battle of zero
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and four teams, Dallas won at Connecticut and former Yukon
star Paige Becker's for Dallas twenty one points, New York's
four to oh after beating up Golden State Minnesota five
and oh. After a narrow win against Seattle in the
NHL playoffs, Edmonton up three games to one in the
West Final after beating Dallas four to one. Edmonton in
the last three games has outscored the Stars thirteen to two.
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Out of the NFL, pass rusher Joey Bosa, now with
the Bills, is likely out until training camp with a
caf in.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Oh, come on, don't lie to me. He's not. Come on,
Joey Bosa doesn't get hurt.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Man.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
The guy's an iron man.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Actually, he was hurting a team workout last week, hurt
before OTAs for crying out loud. Buffalo running back James
Cook did not report for voluntary workouts wanting a new contract.
Also missing the start of OTAs, Falcons quarterback Kirk Cousins
and tight end Kyle's. Steelers linebacker TJ. Watt did not attend,
and Yes, Bucks defensive end Hassan Reddick was missing. Twenty
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teams opened OTA's five other teams start Wednesday. Cleveland signed
first round defensive tackle Mason Graham. The Lions signed linebacker
Zat Cunningham. Elected into the Broncos Ring of Fame wide
receiver Damarius Thomas, who passed away in twenty twenty one,
The Colt Jerseys will have a patch to honor their
late owner, Jim ers Coco goffswe after first round match
(33:28):
at the French Open. American Jessica pagoul also advanced. Novak Djokovic,
seated sixth, won his first rounder in late night Major
League Baseball Action Everything's Final, the Padres took the late game,
even though San Diego trailed the Marlins six to nothing
in the top of the first. Padres win eight to
six over Miami. Pittsburgh trailed six nothing going to the
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sixth inning and won nine to six at Arizona seven
runs top of the eighth for the Pirates. Corbin Burns
no decision. He allowed just two runs in seven innings
for the Dbacks. Seattle over Washington nine to one. Cow
Raley of the Mariners hit his eighteenth and nineteenth home
runs of the season. Mariners are first in the ALS
game and a half over Houston, which won eleven to
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one against the A's Hunter Brown having a great season
on the mound for the Astros seven and three ERA
of two. He had eight strikeouts in six innings in
this one, and the Yankees held on three to two.
At the Angels, it was three to nothing in the ninth.
Carlos Rodin. Rodin is seven and three now seven scoreless innings,
ten strikeouts.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Tonight.
Speaker 7 (34:29):
The Yankees have won fifteen of the last nineteen games
they've played. The Cubs with two in the bottom of
the eleventh beat Colorado four to three. The Rockies are
zero to eighteen in series so far this season. Milwaukee
on a grand slam in the tenth from Christian Yelich
beat Boston five to one. Wins for Philadelphia and the Dodgers.
Sho heo tani is twentieth Homer back to you.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Thank you, Steve. The Jason Smith Show with My best
friend Mike Harbon Live the Fox Sports A Radio Studios.
Coming up next, we got a big basketball story that
broke today. We've been spending a lot of time talking
about this for a week and it turns out it
didn't happen. That's next Fox.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
Fox Sports Radio. The Jason Smith Show with My best
friend Mike Harmon. Yeah, we'll get back to the next
funeral coming up in about ten minutes. They had a
good run. Yeah, well yeah, yeah, I agree, yeah yeah, yes, yes, yes,
I had zero expectation coming into this postseason. Here we
are still alive, at least for one more day. But
(35:38):
this big story today out of the WNBA, and it's
it's crazy because you could see this coming and it's
just been a week of bad publicity for something that
should have never gone this far. The WNBA announced today
that they are unable to verify any hateful fan comments
(35:58):
towards Angel Reese stemming from the incident that took place
between the Sky and the Fever game opening day in
the WNBA. I remember, going back to WNBA game, Angel
Reese pushes a Fever player in the back, doesn't get
called for a foul. Caitlin Clark, a little upset, grabs
Angel Reese going up with the basketball. Angel Reese tries
to flop call, you know, get a foul, is upset.
(36:21):
She probably hit the deck, gets up to get in
Caitlin Clark's face. Caitlyn Clark walks away from her, and
it became a thing, and there were social media reports
that said, oh hey, bad things are being said towards
Angel Reese after this happened, And as soon as this happened,
the WNBA put out a statement saying we're gonna look
(36:42):
into it. The Sky put out a statement saying there's
no place for this in the game. The Fever put
out a statement saying there's no place for this in
the game, and the WNBA looked into it right right away.
You heard a lot of people saying I didn't see it.
Dave Portnoy was very big saying I didn't hear anything
said like this. I didn't hear this going on. And
they come out today and say they couldn't find anything.
Quote based on information gathered, including from relevant fans, team
(37:06):
and arena staff, as well as audio and video review
of the game, we have not substantiated it. And this
goes to show you what I've said about the W
from the beginning is still something they're dealing with in
year two ac after Caitlyn is that the biggest thing
for the W is you got to be able to
(37:26):
handle success. Right. You've been a league that's been trying
to break through for a long time. You've done a
lot of great things. You all of a sudden, you
break through because Caitlyn Clark shows up. She's the biggest
star in sports, and you've had a great instances of
growth you've also had a lot of controversy that you
really don't need, and really you don't want the racial controversy.
You can't have that, that's the one thing you want.
(37:48):
You can have rivalries you have about basketball, you can
have players hate each other, but boy, when you have
people break along racial lines, that's not good man. That's
not something that sells in twenty twenty five. So be
able to handle success. And what did the WNBA do?
What happened after the social media ran and made the
WNBA investigate something. The WNBA should have come out right
(38:09):
away and said, okay, we've heard this, we're looking into
it about guys, don't worry about it. We got it,
we're looking into it. Couldn't find anything, Okay, boom, moving on.
But instead, oh here we come out with a statement.
Of course you're against it, of course everybody's But now
you've legitimized this story that, oh, here's somebody who said
something when you didn't know if it happened. And now
this looks like again a bunch of people on social
(38:31):
media who maybe was just saying it because they wanted
to back angel Reees, because they were angel rees fans
didn't like the fact that the foul happened, whatever it was,
you allowed social media to push forth a bad storyline
for you for the last week. Right, the w really
needs to show that we have everything up. We're a
big deal. We're a big entity now, all right, we
know what we're doing and we have confidence and we
(38:54):
were able to keep every keep a lid on everything
we have going on that could be bad. But I
have not seen that now because again, you just watched
people on Twitter saying stuff and now here's a big investigation,
here's big statements in here. Seven days of bad publicity
that the league didn't need.
Speaker 6 (39:08):
Oh, I would love to see some more substance to
what actually invest was investigating. How many people you talk to,
the fact that you had the sky coach say, hey,
we ask directly, you know, when did you become aware
of what allegedly happened during the game? Quote when everyone
else did. I think it's something that we heard about.
And so we're just forthcoming with anything that the league
(39:30):
is able to do investigation wise, and obviously everybody is
going to denounce such activity and words and that. But
when we came on air on the Monday after the game, right,
you saw the big effort from Caitlin Clark triple double.
But obviously that play and then this allegation becomes the flashpoint. Well,
(39:56):
there was no reaction from any player, and it's loud, right,
there's no being able to, I guess prove the negative
in this case. I mean, you can't say one hundred
percent it didn't happen. But if it was as loud
and vocal and directed an Angel Reese that no teammate,
nobody off the bench, no officials, nobody off the fever like,
(40:19):
nobody heard it like in that moment, right, and again
somebody we would would.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
Have said something if it was said right there, we
will by Monday.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
I mean that's forty eight hours later, nothing and then
it takes another several days before you get to an
endgame and you come out with the state, Yeah, well
we got nothing, and so you breathed a lot of
life into it. And for a game that's trying to
make strides and grow, these are huge setbacks because you're
(40:49):
you're picking up things off social media.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
You're you're losing control of the narrative is what you're doing,
and it's really dangerous and w you you got to
grow up and say yeah, we can handle our business.
You got to handle six handle it. We'll have more
on this story coming up next hour. Another wrangle to it,
want to get to but also we get back to
the biggest story of the night, which is the next
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