July 25, 2025 • 55 mins
Mike Harmon and Dan Beyer pay tribute to Hulk Hogan. Jets QB Justin Fields dislocated his toe. Cowboys WR CeeDee Lamb like his receivers. And the guys can't believe the number of QBs the Browns plan on keeping!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
This is the best of the Jason Smith Show with
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
Over under odd brother references over the course of the
night and random drops from Alex Teichert one hundred and
seven point five. Welcome in another night Jason Smith Show
with Me Mike Harmon, No Jason Smith. Dan Byer in
his stead for a second straight night at dan Byer
on Fox tags in so like we're the mega powers
(00:52):
here Smith has been excized. I don't know if that
makes me Hogan or savage. Either way, I'm brother sitting pretty,
the macho king, or I'm the guy that stirred the drinks.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Welcome in for another night.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Big wrestling shoes to fill. I have tonight on what
is one of those nights where you will remember in
your radio career. How you talked about it, Mike, Yes,
the loss of a legend.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, it's tough, you know, still reeling from the Ozzy
Osbourne side of things.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
And I get it. If you're not a.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Huge metal head or go down that road, then maybe
it didn't have that effect. But for me it's you know,
a life of that. And then certainly for my brothers
and I we were trading videos and clips and remembrances
of matches that we saw live or or watched, you know,
on pay per view. Going back to WrestleMania one where
(01:46):
my dad is talking to my dad today about this,
the bold strategy of dropping us off at a theater
because WrestleMania one was only available on close circuit television
in a couple of spots, and in Chicago was theater,
which was not a particularly good part of town. But
my dad, somehow we convinced him to drop the three
(02:06):
of us off on the middle of three boys, and
off we went inside to watch the spectacle that was
WrestleMania one on closed circuit television. Got to our seats,
sitting there with all our snacks and just for three
hours of chaos, listening to people and you know, yelling
at each other around.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
You, and that was it. Right. We were hooked live events.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
We'd always been to baseball games or whatever, but that
was a different thing. So selling baseball cards became a
all right, not only are we gonna go to games, Oh,
we're gonna go to some concerts, but damn it, the
AWA's in town. We're gonna go see the Road Warriors
beat the hell out of Baron von Rashka and whatever else.
Now the wwffeel, like the Hogan, first gets in for
the you know, the brief history lesson for those who
(02:49):
haven't watched all the the big documentaries of this stuff.
It was all territories, so you didn't get a lot
of crossover. You had the Saturday morning TV show and
I was like, those were the guys from New York.
You had the guys that traverse the the Midwest, and
then you had some promotions out on the West Coast
and then down in Texas with the vn Erics.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Well we know about them.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They had a show that was on Saturday night WWE.
Then WWF you had Saturday Morning Superstars, and then you'd
watch it again at eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
In Spanish, That's that's what we did.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I remember in the morning, I didn't realize that that
was the nightcas.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, he came back on Telemundo to see it again.
So that's what we had. And then all of a sudden,
they started showing up in Rosemont every once in a while,
which was from my parents. I might as well have
been driving to New York to see something north side southside.
That divide remains. But like the earliest memories and my
brothers and I, we still make the pilgrimage. We went
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to WrestleMania last year. Right now we're trying to decide
whether we're gonna do it again. But Hulk Hogan, going
back to Thunderlips, I have a Thunderlips cape. Yeah, there's
an admission on national radio. So eventually I'll be wearing
that around. I don't have the wrestling boots yet, but
it's He's a seminal figure and obviously problematic, and you
(04:08):
can read the bio for all the negative and downright
terrible things and things that he said through his career,
but for the lens of where we are here in
the Fox Sports Radio studios, the cross section sports entertainment information,
there's no denying the impact he had on an industry,
on pop culture, those crossovers and the growth of an industry.
(04:32):
Even the guys that are like, yeah, I really did
like Terry the man, Terry Bolea, I owe my entire
life and what I've built off his back and that
crossover going all the way back to beating the iron
cheek at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I don't want to say it would be negligence if
we didn't at least mention stuff that happened down the line.
But Mike I sent out a tweet on X, a
post on X however you want it, and it was
probably about ten to fifteen minutes before show that I'd
be with you tonight, and I've gotten a couple of
tweets already, and you know, there's just Nick tweets in
(05:12):
saying there's no honoring hul Cogan and making other comments
about who he was, what he may have done. That
was actually to the Fox Sports Radio tweet. But there
is there's something to that. There is something to hul
Cogan that people didn't like. But I think you hit
on something at the beginning of it of what's happened
(05:33):
over these past what five days that it's been. It's
not about Hulk Hogan. We'll talk about hul Cogan even
though he's gone. We'll continue to talk about hul Cogan,
and that conversation of good and bad will continue. But
what it is is it's about us where we were
(05:53):
thirty forty years ago. And that's why that's why the
passing of Malcolm Jamal Warner was so difficult for so
many because tragic story, but it's also that's theo who
we grew up with, Ozzy Osbourne, same thing, the music
we grew up with, the TV show then that follows
(06:14):
that's all about like us and you think about that era,
so I know, like there's people who are ready to go.
It's just I think it's about us. It sounds very selfish,
but I think all of those memories and there's very complicated.
A lot of people have complicated histories. And I'm not
trying to downplay what hull Cogan was through, but I
(06:35):
think that's what makes it so. I don't know, like
a such a direct hit on your emotions and your feelings, but.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It's a touch point for everybody and it's something I've
preached on air here at Fox sports radio back into
the personal life and why I go to as many
live events as I do with my daughters. Right, there
are very few moments and we certainly all you need
to do is pull up any non entertainment page in hell,
even it pervades there is just the division divides politically, philosophically, theologically,
(07:08):
whatever you want to go to.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You can get in fights with everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And you know, you read a tweet or two right
there that are just a microcosm there, right, just a hey, hey,
you know you can't you can't like no, no, no, there's
we can figure out where that separation is. And to
your point, for me, with live events, theater concerts, yeah,
they might not play my favorite song and they played yours,
(07:31):
and it's like, ah, I get screwed, you got the
good song whatever, But it's all the energy is going
in the same direction.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
If you go into a synagogue, into services, whatever your
denomination and so many vastly different things, you're all there
for the same purpose.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
And most of the time in our life that's not
the case.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Right, sports and these entertainment pieces, that's part of our
collective shared experience. We look at it through different legs,
and certainly some of the Hogan stuff from his later years,
whether it's political or speech in terms of racist terms, etc. Yeah,
that's gonna cause problem. But when we talk about just
(08:14):
our collective experience of the wrestling ring, yes, all that
part of pop culture and how you'd be at lunch
and you'd be, you know, starting to either pull out
the action figures, talk about whatever was on the next
WrestleMania or pay per view card, or who you liked
or didn't like, or you started to do the cadence.
(08:35):
I mean, all of us here in sports radio of
a certain age, we're channeling somebody, whether you want to
admit it or not. Whether it's Togan, it's savage me
I go down the road, warrior barking, or rowdy Roddy
Piper screaming like a lunatic and my hand's flailing in
the whole nine yards.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I mean, it's all.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
There, it's all part of our our collective voice. And
I think it's just when you have a guy of
Hogan's status, when we talk about what the wrestling industry
was then the lull, then the nWo, and then all
these years later where they're at now. I mean it's
all on the backs of those guys. He was the
(09:13):
head of the snake.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, absolutely, And I just the the latter years of
Hogan to his own doing probably weren't kind right. The
years to come, this will always be a part of
his reputation. I'm just not going to do it on
the day that he died, just just like I look
back at look back at the nineteen eighties, Mike, where
(09:34):
superstars were the thing, the mega mega superstars. Everything was
big then, whether it be music with Michael Jackson or
Prince and Madonna, whether it be movies. You know, the
Star Wars franchise, continuing superheroes, which you know is something
that I'm no longer into. You definitely are. I remember
(09:54):
christ Let's go, I remember Superman. Christopher read like like
those are the things. This was a in not understanding wrestling.
This was almost a real life superhero that was on
par with the names in my growing up of what
what I liked and music and sports and magic and
(10:16):
Bird and that era of the NBA, Like He's Hull
Cogin is a part of that. So it's a part
of our childhood. And so that's that's what this is about.
That's That's what today is about for me is we
will do that, and time will do that. My time will,
time will show how hull Cogan is remembered. I just
(10:38):
refuse to do it on the day that he died,
that we're going to sit there and be like, oh,
good riddance, give me just take a little breather, I think,
because it's it's about I want to look back at
my childhood and remember those memories. Yes, yes, absolutely, and
and he provided that or he was a part of that.
I just it's, man, I can't I get it. It
(11:00):
happened previously and it will happen throughout. But we can
just take a breather on the day someone dies and
just I don't pay respect. But I think it's more
about us than anything else.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, I mean some of it is the farming for
engagement when you get into the social media or the
hot take nonsense theater and those cylinders as it were, right,
so folks knew they'd be able to engage and enrage
a bunch of folks and build their stats. So that's
part of it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
It's always there's.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Always a question for any of the stuff anymore to me,
of if we were to put up a big pie
chart and we put someone up to a live detector test.
How much do you really feel this versus its performative,
because you know people are going to get pissed off. Sure,
right with the Hogan stuff, how many people really didn't
know much of any of that. They've seen him schilling
for real American beer. Maybe they saw him show up
(11:51):
and do a speech for Trump during the campaign, but
otherwise he'd been kind of out of sight, out of mind. Right,
He's not been in great health. You and I were
talking a little before the show that been some rumblings
of some health issues. The cause of death, as they
stated right now at the age of seventy one, a
cardiac arrest right down the street from where my folks are. Actually,
(12:11):
his old Hogan's Beach was probably about a five to
six mile drive up the Causeway with all the merchandise
and an actual wrestling ring where they do photo ops
and whatever else. And you always see Jimmy Hart, who's
his business partner, the Mouth of the South, still getting
after it after all these years. But it's the kind
(12:32):
of thing for today. It was just good to go
back to a time when it was simple right, because
you know, at WrestleMania one, I'm eleven years old. We're
being trusted again to go into a pretty weird part
of town. My dad wasn't coming with no adult supervision.
(12:52):
My little brother that we had to look out for him,
but it was the trust of this means enough to
you guys to let you go do this, and live
events have just been everything. Sure, So it's the kind
of thing where, yeah, he's complicated and he wasn't my
favorite wrestler. We were talking about this before the show too.
Technically not great. The leg drops sucked as a finishing move.
(13:17):
We can all do that. The whole gout thing was cool,
but that often imitated, never duplicated, right kind of thing
with that. But you have the match with the Rock
where you go watch that and just put some surround
sound on. You think you're watching the super Bowl with
the amount of pops that you have at every turn
in that match, some of the other battles and all
(13:38):
of those. So, yeah, for history's gonna write it. There's
plenty of books out there already. I've already talked to
several people in my collective sphere because they know my
love in and out of wrestling and what we do
with it here on the program. But they're just like
Ozzy Osbourne is like, well I knew him from the
reality show, which is a whole interesting.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Subplot to a lot of this.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Right, the the Osborns became such a phenomenon. Likewise Hogan
knows Best and his daughter had a show for a
bit and whatever else that people got to know him
and the collection of characters that were around through that.
So it's it's just that curiosity of where where you
came in or jumped off of the train, as it were.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, there's these things that just that kind of hit
you take you back to that point. And then Malcolm
Jamal Warner passing earlier this week and the tragic events
that happened like that was that was one of them.
I remember growing up and watching The Cosby Show.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But think about it, you can't watch it now because
of what's transpired.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Sure, think about there.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I mean for obviously for the Bill Cosby stuff, but
a lot of people have been deprived of seeing. Sure
those performances that show, Like unless you've got a DVD,
I don't think it's on in real there's.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Some there's yeah, yeah, there's a network or two that
that still does air reruns of it. But again, and
not to bring it up, but Bill Cosby obviously careers
changed in how we think of him from back then,
but that didn't change how I looked at THEO. It
didn't change that. And I understand with that. Carl Cogan,
(15:15):
I get it. You can do it tomorrow, you could
do it the next day, you could do it to
the end of time. You've done it for the last
you know how many years. I'm not trying to downplay
what he did. I just think on the day, Mike,
where we've heard, you know, we get a tweet like that,
and for people have tried to bust up the wrestling union,
that was you know, one of the points that the
tweeter made. I get it probably wasn't a great thing
(15:37):
to do, really screwed other guys, but look at what
he also meant to all these other people. Give them
twenty four hours to at least deal with the news.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, go through the unionization and go back to the
steroid trials. I mean, there's a million things where you
could dial it up, but it doesn't take away from
the industry and what it meant to pop culture to
your point, what is it forty one years ago? Careless
whisper came in the world right, going back to pop
superstars and what they meant to the world and George
(16:06):
Michael and Wham. But so much to talk about over
the course. Son, we'll get to that. In remembering cartoon form,
he was voiced by Brad Garrett from Everybody Lose Raymond
on that famous You also had the dad from the
Fresh Prince, James Avery was the Junkyard dog. How about
that random knowledge? I got to do something with it.
(16:28):
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However you're listening to us, Thanks for making us part
of your day in the waning weeks of summer before
everybody starts getting ready for school. Because as soon as
(19:23):
you start seeing training camp videos on a great regularity, Dan,
you know it's coming. You know it's almost that time
for things to get back into session. And this morning
was another one of those fun examples of the power
good or bad, depending on how you want to run
with it, of social media. Because you know, we traverse
(19:45):
in the wonderful world of New York sports a bunch
with my guy Jason Smith, particularly as pertrains to his
love of the Mets, Nicks and New York Football Jets,
and a couple of times he's been roped in for
the Jets quarterback of the future. And as soon as
the guy is no longer on the roster, that basically
(20:05):
does the you're dead to me, moving on, moving, pats
his hands and moves on. Well, today we started seeing tweets. Oh,
Justin Fields has left the field with a significant injury.
He is being carded off the field. He is being
attended to. And there's some videos circulating noted jets honks
(20:27):
on other networks who I shall not name. Uh maybe
from my alma mater, crying on air essentially about bad
bad luck.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Really you're kidding yourself. But all all of it to
say for Justin Fields leaving the field shades of.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Two years ago Aaron Rodgers four snaps in his greatest
moment was channeling his inner hol Cogan as a real
American running out onto the field with an American flag.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
See what we do.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
We weave a rich tapestry here on Fox Sports Radio.
But this was the tweet from earlier. Right, you have
the after medical evaluation, Justin Fields sustained a dislocated toe. Now,
I don't mean to diminish her or take down the
(21:15):
idea of I don't know what his pain threshold is
related to a disclocated toe. I know my daughter's got
one that pops out of socket on a soccer field
with some regularity. If she gets a stop in the action,
she'll take the cleat off and you'll hear the click, right,
and then she's back out there, strap it back out
here and get after it. So I don't know where
Justin Fields is on this continuum. But i'd see not weak,
(21:39):
but the initial tweets on all of this Dan where
it's significant it was a non contact injury, It's like, well, no,
it turns out he ended up getting stepped on.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I blame Adam Schefter six point nine million views with
a tweet that says Jets quarterback Justin Fields was carted
to the locker room with an apparent lower leg injury.
That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, I mean, look, in hockey terms, he wasn't wrong.
In football terms, he knows what he's doing. He knows
exactly what he's doing. Engagement, just themative.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
That's exactly That's exactly the problem. And that's what makes
it so frustrating. And it's frustrating, Mike because when Adam
Schefter does get a real scoop, that's the value. Honestly,
Ian Rappoport, Tom Pelisero, Adam Schefter, they'll get a majority
of their news all at the same time. They're all
(22:38):
the same agent's information and it comes out or the
team contact that's where it's sent out. So you have
to know when all of these insiders are tweeting this
that they have that same information, but he puts it
in a way that then does starts the chain reaction
(23:02):
to just what you despise. Adam Schefter caused all of this,
all of the social media freak out because he knew
exactly what he was doing. To your point, he wasn't wrong,
wasn't wrong, but he wasn't necessarily entire entirely accurate and specific.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
No, that shit the specificity of it, right, because you
leave it up speculation as you would anyway, it's like
already left with an injury.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
All right, what is it?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
We want to know what's interesting about the tweet? And
this is where the fun of social interaction and social
media goes. Six point nine million views, to your point,
only four point forty six hundred retweets. I mean, that's
not a hefty ratio of folks pushing your information along.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
So that's kind of an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Saying nothing of Schefter, it's just kind of speaking to
the social media general.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Why did twenty four thousand like that? Why would they
like that to happen to just.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Because if he's a jet Yeah, get and Smith, they
need the thumbs down.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But there are other there are other tweets that came
out Mike that were much more descriptive. Brian Costello was
quote tweeted by Tom Pelisaro. Brian covers the Jets for
the New York Post, saying Field's taken inside on a cart,
pulled up during a play in team drills and has
had his leg being checked. Since that's a lot more
(24:27):
calming than carted to the locker room with an apparent
lower leg injury. Just just bad bad form. I know
it's the preseason for everybody, but bad form by Adam
Schefter on that tweet.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, so we go through and he gets referenced to
Jason Cole who joined us yesterday.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I hope you guys made up.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I was gonna say, don't remind me, no, just kidding.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah. So you have rich Semini, who covers the Jets.
He had his his tweet that went out and started
going through quote Glens and won't speculate on the severity
of Field's injury, professes his faith in to Rod Taylor.
Remember it's to Rod Taylor. He made sure to point
that out to us. Also notes that Adrian Martinez has
some familiarity with the Detroit system now the Jets system,
(25:13):
so going on Glenn believes someone stepped on field ste
He goes all the way through and then later on
when he submitted his full practice report, Fields avoided serious injury,
listed his day to day and follows even even that
with the Field's toe scare overshadowed what was a good
day by the defense and cornerback Brandon Stevens, so immediately
circling back, it's like, hey, hey, hey, that's over there now.
(25:36):
Jets show so positivity out of Jets camp, but it's
the the inner interaction and we've always done it with
hockey of you know what, it's a lower body injury,
it's like is it a knee?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Is it an ankle?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Sometimes you don't know right, just the way the guy
goes off the ice in this particular case, what you
just you get nothing? And he's such a monster in
the space right It's like if Shams tweets something, Yeah,
he gets what everybody because Windy gets his run. But
even Lebron sunning him a bit has pushed him off
Mcmhmmon's now on the inside. So he gets his run
(26:11):
and then Woj disappeared. He just said, I'm out of this.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yes, if there is a mount rushmore of insiders. Schefter's
on it. Yeah, it's Glazer, no doubt, Glo.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
He's the one guy that gets information that the rest
of these he's not getting the group tasks correct.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Or he doesn't bother to pote repost what he gets
on the group text.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Woach would be on that. Schefter's on it like he
just you can't deny the following. That's what's slowy irresponsible
about it. That's what's so frustrating about it is that
he knew exactly what he was doing. Because when you
say lower left the lower leg injury, now, especially coming
off of an NBA season, we immediately think Achilles. And
(26:54):
to your point, starting out the segment of what happened
with Aaron Rodgers in his opening game, that's why he
knew what was going on.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, you say, and you put in no non contact.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Now, in this case, he did get stepped on, but
you know, if it doesn't, it's not a big hit.
So maybe you missed it right and you're not looking
to go into var in the process.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
And Schefter didn't write no contact, but he did write
a parent which makes it, I think even worse because
then you're just saying like you're like it's it's apparent
like I'm not sure, but that's yeah, that's that's a
apparently Oh my goodness. By the way, by the way, Adam,
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Adam Shelfer, Shelfer, that's pretty tweeted. Ruptured Achilles out for
the season. Adam Shelfer, the fake account has been getting
people on on that. But he's schefter wasn't that much better?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, but he's picked up the torch from a darned
chefter because that thought.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Oh gosh, yes, a darn schefter.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
That's the way to know. Welcome back to NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
It's a one hundred and eighteen followers as opposed to
the twelve million that.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
But if you don't click through right, there's ways to
get yourself a bogus looking blue mark up near your.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Name, so who's and you could buy it? So who
knows if you're just doing a quick glance.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I forgot a darn chef, darn chef Centell.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Centel versus Central and on down the line. There you go.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Justin Fields avoids major injuries, So uh, for now, the
Jets breeze breathe a sigh of relief. But I couldn't
tell you. I think I took enough time to turn
and make a cup of coffee to where I started
seeing the images of Kirk Cousins and a Jets you,
oh god timeline Immediately the guy has a hangnail and
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is five minutes late for practice. As he gets it
attended to, it's going to prompt Kirk Cousins tweets.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah, that's just what the Jets need, another old quarterback
coming off of a Hill's injury. If that were to happen,
like if something were to happen to Justin you got
Torod Taylor is mentioned earlier. What's what's the difference?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You know, like, I mean, pay him nothing and move on.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
The Jets model this year should be punt because that's
kind of what this season is. This is a whole
new reset under this new regime, there aren't great expectations
for what's gonna happen with the Jets, so they're kind
of punting on twenty twenty five. What would you bring
in a quarterback that makes forty million dollars a year?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Giant pictures of Drew Aller and nuss Meyer.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And maybe even an archie many sure sitting around our
arch manning. I should say five and a half wins
one of those teams sitting at the bottom of the
universe as we traverse here. Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith
Show with Me, Mike Carbon Dan Byer in for Jason tonight.
You hear Dan during the week on the as part
of The Gottlieb Show, and Cavino and Rich you hear
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them with me Sunday mornings nine to eleven Pacific. I
remember this time that we haven't switched a full on
football mode just yet in terms of our divide and
Conquer the network on the weekends, and of course the
I Watch Reflex podcast, all the fantasy news. We've got
some more rankings coming up a little bit later in
the evening, but now it's time to turn our attention
over to the news desk, full Slate, major League Baseball,
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maybe some apparent Lee's and other terms mixed in her verbiage.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
For the evening, it's Monty malanyas.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
What's up, guys? What up? Carrie Rhodes fell for that
fake Adam Schefter account.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Shelfer.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Shelfer, So, I woke up this morning and he was like, no,
not Achilles, like that was his tweet, and I was like,
what is he talking? About and I had to go
look for it, and I was like, he got sent held.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
He got sent held, And.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
I called him out on it already.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
He said, I know, I saw that, and I was like,
why didn't you double check?
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Because but I agree with you, Dan Schefter should not
have worded it like that in the first place.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well you know what you could have said, though, is
I saw the trailer for the new Percy Jackson season two.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Pretty good, right, Carrie? And see if it gets him
back on.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
Nah. Just other news in the NFL fellas that the
Raiders are releasing defensive tackle Christian Wilkins, just one year
after he signed a four year, one hundred and ten
million dollars deal. The team is avoiding his remaining guarantees
due to how he's handled his foot injury rehab. Reports
are that the team wanted him to have surgery. He
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declined after several opinions. Wilkins is filing a grievance, so
we'll see how this turns out. In baseball, well, the
trade deadline is one week away and the Mariners have
acquired first baseman Josh Naylor from the Arizona Diamondbacks. But
right now the Mariners are losing to the Angels in
LA one zero top of the fourth inning. It's the
only game left. The others have wrapped up. The A's
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top the Astros five to two, and the Cardinals held
on to defeat the Padres at home nine to seven.
Blue Jay's handed the Tigers another loss. They are one
and ten in their last eleven games. Eleven four was
the final score there, while while the Orioles avoided a sweep,
they topped the Guardians four to three. WNBA News Fever
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team announced to date they did a further evaluations and
there was no additional injuries or damage. But she's just
gonna rehab with the priority on her long term health
and well being. That is what the team announced. Fever
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the Sky ninety five to fifty seven.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
No Angel rees in that one. Back to you guys, so.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Manty, I gotta ask in terms of my team apparel,
you can be my stylist. Can you think I could
rock that Indiana Fever Stranger Things look that they put out.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
You know, I haven't seen the shirt. I saw the video.
So is there shirts? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, I gotta get it. Yeah, so they did it
a couple of years ago. Now that I'm good, I'm
gonna buy you on.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Come on, you could be in the upside down with
the side down a Fever upside down shirt.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
I'm gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
We say, we celebrate the life and times of David
Harbor wherever we can. We're gonna get you into his
full filmography before the night's over, Dan, no question about it.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Thanks Manti looking at the shirts, I'll let you know.
I'll let you know.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
There you go at Manzi Milanyos, We'll check back in
on that. I would be remiss if I didn't read
this tweet. You know, since we started with hul Cogan.
This comes from the account, the legacy account of the
Iron Cheek. Remember, no hold Corgan without Iron Chic, No
Iron Chic without hul Cogan. So one guy I really
wish was still with us in his mortal coil because
he would have been a fun guy to try to
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get on air and see how many times you could
dump someone in an interview segment.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I'll tell you the legends. I mean, Holgan outlived the many. Yeah.
And the tweet that I saw was like, how is
rick Flair outliving everybody?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
That is that, Yes, he's a bit worse for wear
beat up. He did an interview with TMZ and in
praising Hogan made sure to bring in and give a
big hug to his battles with Ricky the Dragons Steamboat,
which was I thought pretty interesting. We always had heat,
we were great, never as good as when I was
fighting Steamboat, but I'll tell you it's great stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
It's a great theater.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Hey, turning our attention back into the fantasy land, we
got one wide receiver who's making some big, bold predictions
and it ties to something you said last night, Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Does he cracked the top five?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
If so, where We'll tell you next at Dan Byer
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Speaker 4 (34:28):
Welcome back in.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
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Speaker 4 (34:43):
Some of the sound bites just too rich as we go.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Through, but certainly looking at the wide array of stories
flowing through training camp. Yesterday we did our fantasy quarterbacks
and running back top five, and you dialed up a
sleeper note in terms of a guy that you're expecting
big things from, even if well, perhaps the team itself
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is more bluster than performance, and that's going down.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
To the world of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Well, Cedee Lamb went and made sure to point out, hey,
you know, when I'm on the field with Dak, I
mean special things can happen, right, I'm a guy that
can get it done. So every year we've got an opportunity.
If the two of us get together, it's going to
be special. So now when we look at our wonderful
world of the wide receiver position, Dan, going back to
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last year CD was eighth, did not play the final
two weeks of the season. So whenever we do this
and cost value adjusted, what have you about? Eighteen fantasy
points per game. In PPR leagues, you do bring in
George Pickens, a guy that we've been waiting on to
really find that upper echelon, but let's face it, in
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Pittsburgh not exactly running with a bunch of jugger to
try to make that happen. And also a guy that,
as we talk, maybe a little bit of Tyreek Hill
trying to figure out how much is pouting versus performance
falling off versus change in your quarterback trying to figure
out what that pie looks like. George Pickens was a
guy that if he didn't get fed early, it was
(36:17):
operations shut down and pout. So now, but together that's
a dynamic duo that is mightily fascinating, which is why
Dak Prescott was a guy that appeared on your radar
in a big way at.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
The quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Last year, your top scorers Chase Jefferson, I'm on Ross,
Saint Brown, Brian Thomas for all the misgivings and problems
of the Jacksonville offense, was still fourth, and then Drake
London was number five ahead of Milite neighbors. Some interesting
names right when you think about their team performances, like
(36:51):
just again showing that fantasy performance can come despite an
insignia on the side of the helmet.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
You celebrate every game. You have to celebrate every team,
even if some teams do not give you that fantasy
fruitful list that you would hope. It's funny that we're
talking about this and Ceedee Lamb says it not because
I think it validates what I said yesterday. But we
did the top five quarterbacks, and I think you kind
of know who the top five quarterbacks are going to
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be fantasy wise, Mike. My fifth quarterback was Joe Burrow
on the list, just because the rushing ability of Lamar
and Josh Allen and Jayden Daniels and Jalen Hurts just
provides something that Joe Burrow doesn't have. And Dak to
me where he is right now in his career. They're
not mirror images, but there are similarities between the Cowboys
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and Cincinnati Bengals. And so now George Pickens comes in
ends up being maybe in that Ta Higgins spot that
you're like, hey, all right, Dallas probably has better offensive
line than what Cincinnati does. So you've got that going
for Dallas. And now when you look at the receivers
that you mentioned like something like justin Jefferson we know
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is magnificent. But again there's the quarterback question. Ceedee Lamb
doesn't have that. That's Deck's health, obviously, but that could
be with any other quarterback in the National Football League.
So I get why Ceede Lamb is excited, and I
think we should be excited about Ceedee Lambs as a
top three wide receiver in fantasy this year.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
So let's get to those top five in a second. Well,
let's hear from CD himself. I tried to encapsulate it,
but never never as good as the man himself.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
How does this wide receiver rank.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
For us of the lague? I like us versus anybody,
honestly versus anyone in any room. I don't care what
they be saying in the media. I see it. I
ignore it. Let's see other September. I don't really do
too much talking.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Give me a little bit more. I see it. I
ignore it.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Brother, you know, I mean he could have gone like
because we we're gonna use the sound bites. I mean
they're basically chilling as WWE superstars in a lot of these,
especially as they say, hey, I can get the ball,
but off the top and Bengals defense continues to stink.
So long as Joe Burrow is upright, Jamar Chase is
gonna get fed right. We could just agree, set it
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and forget it wrong, go cemented number one in our
sharpie pens, and then we start looking at Jefferson, Lamb, Hohoka, Nakua.
Are you trusting that Matthew Stafford makes it a full seventeen?
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Maybe? Maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Malik Neighbors is currently the number five. We talked about
the Giants quarterbacking room last night, and not with too
much positivity, but I look at it like you got
chasing Jefferson. I would put Lamb ahead of Jefferson because
of the questions of McCarthy. Lamb is growing up to
number two today. I'll take Jefferson at three and then
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four and five. We can debate a little bit. If
we weren't gonna jump on board the train and I
had Drake London, I just put d l in my
little list. Then I'll slide him in as a price
shot that if this breaks right, and we'll hear from
Michael Pennix about who he thinks, because we'll talk tight
ends later.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
See if the old.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Fool me ones kind of the philosophy comes in. But
I'll take London fourth. And then there's a bunch of
disarray in Detroit, and I know the coordinator's gone, and
everybody's looking at Ben Johnson whenever he practice rep in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
But I'm on Ross. San Bron is still gonna get fed.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah's still gonna be one hundred catch guy, dump the ball,
good things happen.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
So he's still number five for them.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
And they should be able to protect Jared Goff, which
lows him to throw. Despite the changes that went on,
I have no problem with that. I don't have those
last two in my top five. But I love the Falcons.
I told you I think that Pennix could be a
top ten quarterback. People have them around twenty four to
twenty five. I think that the Falcons are just going
to be really really good offensively almost said great, but
really really good. I put Brian Thomas for I put
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Nico Collins five.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
So you think the one hundred question quiz is going
to take Trevor Lawrence that I just.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Don't know what else they have. I know they can
we expect Travis Hunter to have this role, but Thomas
was legit, much to my surprise, and then Nico Collins
is quickly I just he's the guy, He's c J.
Stroud's guy. They just have to protect them.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
That's the bottom line. He's Dan Bayer in for Jason.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I'm Mike will continue more fantasy talk, more across the
football landscape as we roll on. Let's go back to Cleveland,
because you got some interesting comments from you.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
He'll remember like parts of it. They were trying to
They wanted me to show up to this thing. They
wanted me to go on a trip with them the
next day to Saint Louis, Like like, no way, Like
it's not gonna happen. I know, I'm twenty two and dumb,
but like I'm not that dumb. It was.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
We all responded to those ads and found ourselves in
a room that you slinked out of five minutes.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
And we all know those photo albums that had that
that sticky clear page that would keep the photos in
but you could still were filled with pictures of people
standing by their cars and the checks that they cashed.
Like that was like there was their special photo album.
My goodness, I go, I know, I get it. I understand.
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I was. I don't even want to say I was foolish.
I was naive. I didn't understand.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Well, we were all looking for a job. We yeah,
we're about this, just a couple of years apart of it.
Job market is rough now depending on what you're trying
to get into, and back then it was it was
a miserable experience. You're like, yeah, we all want five
years experience. I just graduated college. What do you want
from me? I did tasseled corn, and I worked sorting
frozen chicken, and I did some filing in the financial
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aid world.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
My experience at the Highway fifty one truck stop in
north central Wisconsin was not going to help me get
a media job or a radio job. At the time.
You needed that internship, you needed to do stuff, and
you also needed to make money. So that's what I
was looking to do after college. And I shut up
at a presentation. It was as bad as as you could.
(43:04):
Everything that they say about it, it's true, it's awful.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
You just felt filthy, and then you went back to
that truck stop and you washed up.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Yeah.
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the dude wipes guy. Again, very curious kind of thing there,
but they celebrate the all brown uniform.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
All it goes to it.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
But we've been talking about the Browns from the quarterbacking
position and trying to figure out and read the tea
leaves of what they go forward with this season. Right,
they draft Dylan Gabriel and they draft Door Sanders, eventually
ending everybody's long nightmare. If you were covering the draft,
we were certainly on air watching it and chronicling it.
(44:08):
Here's another spot where there might be a quarterback Nope,
moving on and eventually he ends up a Cleveland Brown. Meanwhile,
you've got two Super Bowl champions on the roster, and
you decide how much you want to ascribe that value
to the second guy. But currently running with the ones,
the great Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco, who won Comeback
Player of the Year coming off his couch and leading
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them to the playoffs a couple of years ago. Now
a lot of debate as to how good or poor
the roster is. Certainly, in a crowded AFC North, not
a lot of room for error in the six division games,
that's for damn sure. But we look at the quarterback
position and the battle through and trying to determine, well,
how many of these guys will actually stay right, and
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certainly the heype machine goes when it was seven on
seven and we're an offseason training and oh, look at
the deep ball. He's like, yeah, if he doesn't have
someone lighting his ass in the ground, any.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Quarterback except for Drew Brees.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Poor guy's got no arm left, as we saw in
the final year of his pro career, and now he
talks about it. At this point. Everything's underhanded throws to
his kids. But except for him, everybody could throw the
ball sixty yards with a step through without waiting for
someone to take their knee out or plant them on
their ass. So take all that with a grain assault.
(45:26):
But certainly the heighte machine for Shador was out front
and center during some of those workouts in camp, Eh,
not so much. And now you've got Andrew Berry step
into the forefront, going, Hey, it's possibility that we come
to camp out of camp and go into the season
with all four guys in tow. Which is a bold strategy,
Cotton in a league where you value every roster spot.
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Part of it maybe thinking that long term Flacco or
Picket have some value for a second or third day
draft pick, depending on the desperation of a team that
suffers an injury and veteran in presence to bring the
other two guys along. But all of it to say,
it is a kind of a curious situation. Let's let's
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hear from Andrew Berry on the situation he's got with
his QBS quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Do you see a pathway to have four an opening
day roster?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I do is that you know in night of the
asset that a quarterback is he largely looked at the
last five spots for rosters, more developmental spots, and that
can come from any position.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
So if there are four that are.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Fifty three man worthy and we think it makes the
most sense for us to keep them, Google Yah, fifty
three worthy, those five are developmental. That might be the
first time I've ever really heard a GM put it
in those terms.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Sure, I'll tell you what like, when you go down
to a roster and you look at how it's set,
you'll see beat writers predict the roster. It's kind of
like predicting the NCAA tournament teams. You're going to get
fifty eight out of fifty nine just because of what
it is. You're the last eight or nine that you're
not nest necessarily sure about. And the Browns use their
way of doing it. I think it's an interesting angle
(47:05):
on how they do it. I'm not sure how many
other teams do it, but I assume that it's more
than the Cleveland Browns. I think that the question, the
way that it was asked, not criticizing the reporter by
any means, but gave Andrew Berry a bit of an
out you can desire you're going to keep? Is the
plan to keep four quarterbacks? It was do you see
a pathway? Well, of course, yeah, it just may not
be realistic. There may be ninety nine other ones that
(47:26):
only have three. I just you mentioned earlier with the
Jets and the Kirk Cousins photoshops after the justin fields
injury first broke. If you're the Browns sitting there, aren't
you kind of looking at the same looking If so,
there's something the opportunity, yes else around there with either
Flacco or Picket, you know in that scenario, the I
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just don't know how you would keep that. Like the Seahawks,
for example, are gonna have three quarterbacks and Starnold, Drew
Lock and Jalen Milroe, who the drafted. Well, you can
use Milrow in a lot of different spots. It'll be
interesting to see how they do their roster. But are
you gonna put shudor Sanders on practice squad? Like like
what like? Are you gonna put them on the fifty three?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Male?
Speaker 5 (48:08):
I just it doesn't It doesn't make a lot of
sense to hold four, especially just considering the spot that
the Browns are in, when some teams are only holding
over or holding on two to two quarterbacks of the roster.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yeah, I think some of.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
It plays to what we were talking about a little
bit last night in terms of, you know, your public
speaking points. As much as we look at Mike Brown
and Jerry Jones and shrug our shoulders and going, really
we need to air all this out. Maybe got a mouthpiece.
It's early camp. You give us some uh, you know,
some scraps to go fight over on the yard, right,
But why upset the room at this point if you
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legitimately see a path, not not the pathway to the
four guys, but the you're gonna have a competition for
as many reps as you can because in another week's
time that starts to funnel down, right, and in terms
of who's getting mean, meaningful reps unless you're meeting in
the practice bubble after curfew to run some routes and stuff.
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But all of that to say, yeah, we don't it's
kind of saying we don't know. But why upset the
room right where there's all these rumors and everybody looking
for any bit that they can run on shouldear Sanders right,
because in our media, in our media space, right, you've
got cheerleaders like to take it to the extreme. It's
(49:24):
the lebron James. It could be the most innocuous comment possible,
but we're going to dissect it in voice inflection if
we have video of it. How was he sitting, did
his eyebrow raise? Who was he looking at? Did he smirk?
Speaker 4 (49:40):
It a guy.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
As he was saying it, we do all that, and
anything we get about Shadear Sanders has been the same thing.
How do we bring Dion's name into it? How do
we talk about whatever it is, nepotism, legacy history? Does
he get a fair shake? Is it because of the
family name?
Speaker 4 (49:57):
Throw out? You know your call sign and see where.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Where the bodies land in terms of you know, the
vote of your audience in that moment, kind of like
it's a reality show where you have to survive to
the next week. But for Shagara Sanders, that's what you get, right,
It's grist for the mill. Dylan Gabriel is just going
to work right, Nobody cares. Maybe he shows up, maybe
he plays, maybe he doesn't. He's the fourth guy in
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this race, even though he was drafted before Shadur. But
it feels like from a pr standpoint, I mean, there's
gonna be a lot of want if you're the Browns,
they're selling a lot of jerseys and whatever else. The
worst thing in the world would be the Yeah, he's
just not good enough and we have to cut him.
I mean, you'll have made some money, but it won't
be the cash cow and storyline that threads through. As
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for the veterans, Yeah, you're waiting by the phone for
every practice report from Adam Schefter. That makes it sound
like a guy's getting amputated.
Speaker 5 (50:54):
Yeah, and that's that's considering that Joe Flacco led them
to the playoffs two years ago and then they completely
botched his bringing back last year because they didn't want
the distraction. So now you bring him back and you
have a whole other distraction now with Shador Sanders. It
just is more of the same with the Cleveland Browns.
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And honestly, Mike, I know that the team is not
at fault for the Quinn shown Judkins situation. That doesn't
help this offseason. He paid Miles Garrett forty million dollars,
but the first part of the NFL offseason for the
Browns was how Miles Garrett wanted to play for all
these other teams because the Browns we weren't Super Bowl contenders.
(51:38):
They pay him forty million dollars. In his tune changes, Oh,
he said.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
They're going to the super Bowl yesterday.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yah, we got a shot, Like everybody, come on, there's
that check cleared.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
Right when things are happening in the offseason or things
are happening in the preseason aren't going their way, maybe
to no fault of their own. It doesn't bode well
for the season, and this is a team that we're
not expecting a lot from. The Dylan Gabriel thing is interesting, Mike,
because I'm wondering, does Dylan Gabriel like have to significantly
(52:09):
outperform shaudor Sanders in this scenario or is it just
Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski taking to what you say.
He's a third round pick, He's who they invested in.
The fifth round pick of Sanders sure seemed to be
an ownership call, but does Dylan Gabriel have to do more?
They're gonna be must watch TV in the preseason, but
(52:31):
the other thirty one teams you may not care. But
when the Browns play and you watch those like, that's
gonna be must watch TV. I guarantee you and Jason
will be talking about it shortly after each night's games
and how they're going to be. They will be the
mussy team of the preseason, which by the way, doesn't
bode well for the regular season. But that's no shocker
when it comes to the Browns.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Well, number twelve in your fantasy wide receivers. A year ago,
Jerry Judy had himself a nice big year. Just throw
it up and let him go make plays.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
He did. There's no more Jamis Winston there. And if
Joe Flacko's not going to play, you got Kenny Pickett
thrown to you. And if Kenny Pickett doesn't work out,
so you are going to then go to Flacco.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Kenny, now that he's gotten away from Pittsburgh, does that
change things? Can he be a different guy?
Speaker 5 (53:18):
I think it's I think it's the Trubisky deal. And
I've told you this before. Trubisky when he went to Buffalo,
not talking about his Bear's tenure, but when he went
to Buffalo, everybody thought he was fixed. He took like
six snaps in Buffalo. And so then he goes to
(53:38):
Pittsburgh and tries to be the starter there and it
doesn't work out, and we're surprised. Like I kind of
feel the same with Kenny Pickett in Philadelphia a little bit,
maybe not exactly, but you go Philadelphia, you're back up there. Now.
Guess what you you went through? You went through the
car wash of another team and you came out and
you had that Steeler's stink off of Yeah, if you
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will know he's going to be a different quarterback, I
would bet not.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
I just think the common denominator of how future that
Pittsburgh offense has been for so long that anytime a
guy gets a chance out there, it's like I wish
and hope that it was centralized and not every one
of these guys that was picked high as a buzz,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
Teddy Pickett was taken by the Steelers because they needed
a quarterback. He went to pitt He was in there.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, he was in the backyard. They knew him better
than anybody. Yeah, all of those stuff. And again, you know,
we talked about it a little bit last night, is
I'll always defend your right to make that pick, no
matter how insane it may be. In the end, y'all call,
it costs you your job eventually, So you know, hired
to be fired and make those big, bold proclamations. But
(54:50):
for Andrew Berrying Company, makes for a fascinating preseason. And
I think just quickly with the Dylan Gabriel thing, Yeah,
he's gonna have to grossly outperform Shdor Sanders, big a
story the other way.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
I think yeah, I think so as well. It could
just unless again, somebody gets hurt and then you move
Flacco out and then you can keep all that.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Then it suddenly fixes itself. We fix the glitch straight
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Speaker 3 (00:31):
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with Me Mike Harmon, No Jason Smith. Dan Byer in
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(00:52):
here Smith has been excized. I don't know if that
makes me Hogan or savage. Either way, I'm brother sitting pretty,
the macho king, or I'm the guy that stirred the drinks.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Welcome in for another night.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
Big wrestling shoes to fill. I have tonight on what
is one of those nights where you will remember in
your radio career. How you talked about it, Mike, Yes,
the loss of a legend.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, it's tough, you know, still reeling from the Ozzy
Osbourne side of things.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
And I get it. If you're not a.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Huge metal head or go down that road, then maybe
it didn't have that effect. But for me it's you know,
a life of that. And then certainly for my brothers
and I we were trading videos and clips and remembrances
of matches that we saw live or or watched, you know,
on pay per view. Going back to WrestleMania one where
(01:46):
my dad is talking to my dad today about this,
the bold strategy of dropping us off at a theater
because WrestleMania one was only available on close circuit television
in a couple of spots, and in Chicago was theater,
which was not a particularly good part of town. But
my dad, somehow we convinced him to drop the three
(02:06):
of us off on the middle of three boys, and
off we went inside to watch the spectacle that was
WrestleMania one on closed circuit television. Got to our seats,
sitting there with all our snacks and just for three
hours of chaos, listening to people and you know, yelling
at each other around.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
You, and that was it. Right. We were hooked live events.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
We'd always been to baseball games or whatever, but that
was a different thing. So selling baseball cards became a
all right, not only are we gonna go to games, Oh,
we're gonna go to some concerts, but damn it, the
AWA's in town. We're gonna go see the Road Warriors
beat the hell out of Baron von Rashka and whatever else.
Now the wwffeel, like the Hogan, first gets in for
the you know, the brief history lesson for those who
(02:49):
haven't watched all the the big documentaries of this stuff.
It was all territories, so you didn't get a lot
of crossover. You had the Saturday morning TV show and
I was like, those were the guys from New York.
You had the guys that traverse the the Midwest, and
then you had some promotions out on the West Coast
and then down in Texas with the vn Erics.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Well we know about them.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
They had a show that was on Saturday night WWE.
Then WWF you had Saturday Morning Superstars, and then you'd
watch it again at eleven o'clock at night.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
In Spanish, That's that's what we did.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
I remember in the morning, I didn't realize that that
was the nightcas.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Yeah, he came back on Telemundo to see it again.
So that's what we had. And then all of a sudden,
they started showing up in Rosemont every once in a while,
which was from my parents. I might as well have
been driving to New York to see something north side southside.
That divide remains. But like the earliest memories and my
brothers and I, we still make the pilgrimage. We went
(03:47):
to WrestleMania last year. Right now we're trying to decide
whether we're gonna do it again. But Hulk Hogan, going
back to Thunderlips, I have a Thunderlips cape. Yeah, there's
an admission on national radio. So eventually I'll be wearing
that around. I don't have the wrestling boots yet, but
it's He's a seminal figure and obviously problematic, and you
(04:08):
can read the bio for all the negative and downright
terrible things and things that he said through his career,
but for the lens of where we are here in
the Fox Sports Radio studios, the cross section sports entertainment information,
there's no denying the impact he had on an industry,
on pop culture, those crossovers and the growth of an industry.
(04:32):
Even the guys that are like, yeah, I really did
like Terry the man, Terry Bolea, I owe my entire
life and what I've built off his back and that
crossover going all the way back to beating the iron
cheek at Madison Square Garden.
Speaker 5 (04:49):
I don't want to say it would be negligence if
we didn't at least mention stuff that happened down the line.
But Mike I sent out a tweet on X, a
post on X however you want it, and it was
probably about ten to fifteen minutes before show that I'd
be with you tonight, and I've gotten a couple of
tweets already, and you know, there's just Nick tweets in
(05:12):
saying there's no honoring hul Cogan and making other comments
about who he was, what he may have done. That
was actually to the Fox Sports Radio tweet. But there
is there's something to that. There is something to hul
Cogan that people didn't like. But I think you hit
on something at the beginning of it of what's happened
(05:33):
over these past what five days that it's been. It's
not about Hulk Hogan. We'll talk about hul Cogan even
though he's gone. We'll continue to talk about hul Cogan,
and that conversation of good and bad will continue. But
what it is is it's about us where we were
(05:53):
thirty forty years ago. And that's why that's why the
passing of Malcolm Jamal Warner was so difficult for so
many because tragic story, but it's also that's theo who
we grew up with, Ozzy Osbourne, same thing, the music
we grew up with, the TV show then that follows
(06:14):
that's all about like us and you think about that era,
so I know, like there's people who are ready to go.
It's just I think it's about us. It sounds very selfish,
but I think all of those memories and there's very complicated.
A lot of people have complicated histories. And I'm not
trying to downplay what hull Cogan was through, but I
(06:35):
think that's what makes it so. I don't know, like
a such a direct hit on your emotions and your feelings, but.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It's a touch point for everybody and it's something I've
preached on air here at Fox sports radio back into
the personal life and why I go to as many
live events as I do with my daughters. Right, there
are very few moments and we certainly all you need
to do is pull up any non entertainment page in hell,
even it pervades there is just the division divides politically, philosophically, theologically,
(07:08):
whatever you want to go to.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
You can get in fights with everybody.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
And you know, you read a tweet or two right
there that are just a microcosm there, right, just a hey, hey,
you know you can't you can't like no, no, no, there's
we can figure out where that separation is. And to
your point, for me, with live events, theater concerts, yeah,
they might not play my favorite song and they played yours,
(07:31):
and it's like, ah, I get screwed, you got the
good song whatever, But it's all the energy is going
in the same direction.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
If you go into a synagogue, into services, whatever your
denomination and so many vastly different things, you're all there
for the same purpose.
Speaker 4 (07:49):
And most of the time in our life that's not
the case.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Right, sports and these entertainment pieces, that's part of our
collective shared experience. We look at it through different legs,
and certainly some of the Hogan stuff from his later years,
whether it's political or speech in terms of racist terms, etc. Yeah,
that's gonna cause problem. But when we talk about just
(08:14):
our collective experience of the wrestling ring, yes, all that
part of pop culture and how you'd be at lunch
and you'd be, you know, starting to either pull out
the action figures, talk about whatever was on the next
WrestleMania or pay per view card, or who you liked
or didn't like, or you started to do the cadence.
(08:35):
I mean, all of us here in sports radio of
a certain age, we're channeling somebody, whether you want to
admit it or not. Whether it's Togan, it's savage me
I go down the road, warrior barking, or rowdy Roddy
Piper screaming like a lunatic and my hand's flailing in
the whole nine yards.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
I mean, it's all.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
There, it's all part of our our collective voice. And
I think it's just when you have a guy of
Hogan's status, when we talk about what the wrestling industry
was then the lull, then the nWo, and then all
these years later where they're at now. I mean it's
all on the backs of those guys. He was the
(09:13):
head of the snake.
Speaker 5 (09:14):
Yeah, absolutely, And I just the the latter years of
Hogan to his own doing probably weren't kind right. The
years to come, this will always be a part of
his reputation. I'm just not going to do it on
the day that he died, just just like I look
back at look back at the nineteen eighties, Mike, where
(09:34):
superstars were the thing, the mega mega superstars. Everything was
big then, whether it be music with Michael Jackson or
Prince and Madonna, whether it be movies. You know, the
Star Wars franchise, continuing superheroes, which you know is something
that I'm no longer into. You definitely are. I remember
(09:54):
christ Let's go, I remember Superman. Christopher read like like
those are the things. This was a in not understanding wrestling.
This was almost a real life superhero that was on
par with the names in my growing up of what
what I liked and music and sports and magic and
(10:16):
Bird and that era of the NBA, Like He's Hull
Cogin is a part of that. So it's a part
of our childhood. And so that's that's what this is about.
That's That's what today is about for me is we
will do that, and time will do that. My time will,
time will show how hull Cogan is remembered. I just
(10:38):
refuse to do it on the day that he died,
that we're going to sit there and be like, oh,
good riddance, give me just take a little breather, I think,
because it's it's about I want to look back at
my childhood and remember those memories. Yes, yes, absolutely, and
and he provided that or he was a part of that.
I just it's, man, I can't I get it. It
(11:00):
happened previously and it will happen throughout. But we can
just take a breather on the day someone dies and
just I don't pay respect. But I think it's more
about us than anything else.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Yeah, I mean some of it is the farming for
engagement when you get into the social media or the
hot take nonsense theater and those cylinders as it were, right,
so folks knew they'd be able to engage and enrage
a bunch of folks and build their stats. So that's
part of it.
Speaker 4 (11:27):
It's always there's.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Always a question for any of the stuff anymore to me,
of if we were to put up a big pie
chart and we put someone up to a live detector test.
How much do you really feel this versus its performative,
because you know people are going to get pissed off. Sure,
right with the Hogan stuff, how many people really didn't
know much of any of that. They've seen him schilling
for real American beer. Maybe they saw him show up
(11:51):
and do a speech for Trump during the campaign, but
otherwise he'd been kind of out of sight, out of mind. Right,
He's not been in great health. You and I were
talking a little before the show that been some rumblings
of some health issues. The cause of death, as they
stated right now at the age of seventy one, a
cardiac arrest right down the street from where my folks are. Actually,
(12:11):
his old Hogan's Beach was probably about a five to
six mile drive up the Causeway with all the merchandise
and an actual wrestling ring where they do photo ops
and whatever else. And you always see Jimmy Hart, who's
his business partner, the Mouth of the South, still getting
after it after all these years. But it's the kind
(12:32):
of thing for today. It was just good to go
back to a time when it was simple right, because
you know, at WrestleMania one, I'm eleven years old. We're
being trusted again to go into a pretty weird part
of town. My dad wasn't coming with no adult supervision.
(12:52):
My little brother that we had to look out for him,
but it was the trust of this means enough to
you guys to let you go do this, and live
events have just been everything. Sure, So it's the kind
of thing where, yeah, he's complicated and he wasn't my
favorite wrestler. We were talking about this before the show too.
Technically not great. The leg drops sucked as a finishing move.
(13:17):
We can all do that. The whole gout thing was cool,
but that often imitated, never duplicated, right kind of thing
with that. But you have the match with the Rock
where you go watch that and just put some surround
sound on. You think you're watching the super Bowl with
the amount of pops that you have at every turn
in that match, some of the other battles and all
(13:38):
of those. So, yeah, for history's gonna write it. There's
plenty of books out there already. I've already talked to
several people in my collective sphere because they know my
love in and out of wrestling and what we do
with it here on the program. But they're just like
Ozzy Osbourne is like, well I knew him from the
reality show, which is a whole interesting.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
Subplot to a lot of this.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Right, the the Osborns became such a phenomenon. Likewise Hogan
knows Best and his daughter had a show for a
bit and whatever else that people got to know him
and the collection of characters that were around through that.
So it's it's just that curiosity of where where you
came in or jumped off of the train, as it were.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, there's these things that just that kind of hit
you take you back to that point. And then Malcolm
Jamal Warner passing earlier this week and the tragic events
that happened like that was that was one of them.
I remember growing up and watching The Cosby Show.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
But think about it, you can't watch it now because
of what's transpired.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
Sure, think about there.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
I mean for obviously for the Bill Cosby stuff, but
a lot of people have been deprived of seeing. Sure
those performances that show, Like unless you've got a DVD,
I don't think it's on in real there's.
Speaker 5 (14:52):
Some there's yeah, yeah, there's a network or two that
that still does air reruns of it. But again, and
not to bring it up, but Bill Cosby obviously careers
changed in how we think of him from back then,
but that didn't change how I looked at THEO. It
didn't change that. And I understand with that. Carl Cogan,
(15:15):
I get it. You can do it tomorrow, you could
do it the next day, you could do it to
the end of time. You've done it for the last
you know how many years. I'm not trying to downplay
what he did. I just think on the day, Mike,
where we've heard, you know, we get a tweet like that,
and for people have tried to bust up the wrestling union,
that was you know, one of the points that the
tweeter made. I get it probably wasn't a great thing
(15:37):
to do, really screwed other guys, but look at what
he also meant to all these other people. Give them
twenty four hours to at least deal with the news.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, go through the unionization and go back to the
steroid trials. I mean, there's a million things where you
could dial it up, but it doesn't take away from
the industry and what it meant to pop culture to
your point, what is it forty one years ago? Careless
whisper came in the world right, going back to pop
superstars and what they meant to the world and George
(16:06):
Michael and Wham. But so much to talk about over
the course. Son, we'll get to that. In remembering cartoon form,
he was voiced by Brad Garrett from Everybody Lose Raymond
on that famous You also had the dad from the
Fresh Prince, James Avery was the Junkyard dog. How about
that random knowledge? I got to do something with it.
(16:28):
Fortunately they pay me here a little bit. At Fox
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Speaker 3 (18:38):
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Case the live mic.
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However you're listening to us, Thanks for making us part
of your day in the waning weeks of summer before
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(19:23):
you start seeing training camp videos on a great regularity, Dan,
you know it's coming. You know it's almost that time
for things to get back into session. And this morning
was another one of those fun examples of the power
good or bad, depending on how you want to run
with it, of social media. Because you know, we traverse
(19:45):
in the wonderful world of New York sports a bunch
with my guy Jason Smith, particularly as pertrains to his
love of the Mets, Nicks and New York Football Jets,
and a couple of times he's been roped in for
the Jets quarterback of the future. And as soon as
the guy is no longer on the roster, that basically
(20:05):
does the you're dead to me, moving on, moving, pats
his hands and moves on. Well, today we started seeing tweets. Oh,
Justin Fields has left the field with a significant injury.
He is being carded off the field. He is being
attended to. And there's some videos circulating noted jets honks
(20:27):
on other networks who I shall not name. Uh maybe
from my alma mater, crying on air essentially about bad
bad luck.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Really you're kidding yourself. But all all of it to
say for Justin Fields leaving the field shades of.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Two years ago Aaron Rodgers four snaps in his greatest
moment was channeling his inner hol Cogan as a real
American running out onto the field with an American flag.
Speaker 4 (20:54):
See what we do.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
We weave a rich tapestry here on Fox Sports Radio.
But this was the tweet from earlier. Right, you have
the after medical evaluation, Justin Fields sustained a dislocated toe. Now,
I don't mean to diminish her or take down the
(21:15):
idea of I don't know what his pain threshold is
related to a disclocated toe. I know my daughter's got
one that pops out of socket on a soccer field
with some regularity. If she gets a stop in the action,
she'll take the cleat off and you'll hear the click, right,
and then she's back out there, strap it back out
here and get after it. So I don't know where
Justin Fields is on this continuum. But i'd see not weak,
(21:39):
but the initial tweets on all of this Dan where
it's significant it was a non contact injury, It's like, well, no,
it turns out he ended up getting stepped on.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I blame Adam Schefter six point nine million views with
a tweet that says Jets quarterback Justin Fields was carted
to the locker room with an apparent lower leg injury.
That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Well, I mean, look, in hockey terms, he wasn't wrong.
In football terms, he knows what he's doing. He knows
exactly what he's doing. Engagement, just themative.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
That's exactly That's exactly the problem. And that's what makes
it so frustrating. And it's frustrating, Mike because when Adam
Schefter does get a real scoop, that's the value. Honestly,
Ian Rappoport, Tom Pelisero, Adam Schefter, they'll get a majority
of their news all at the same time. They're all
(22:38):
the same agent's information and it comes out or the
team contact that's where it's sent out. So you have
to know when all of these insiders are tweeting this
that they have that same information, but he puts it
in a way that then does starts the chain reaction
(23:02):
to just what you despise. Adam Schefter caused all of this,
all of the social media freak out because he knew
exactly what he was doing. To your point, he wasn't wrong,
wasn't wrong, but he wasn't necessarily entire entirely accurate and specific.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
No, that shit the specificity of it, right, because you
leave it up speculation as you would anyway, it's like
already left with an injury.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
All right, what is it?
Speaker 3 (23:27):
We want to know what's interesting about the tweet? And
this is where the fun of social interaction and social
media goes. Six point nine million views, to your point,
only four point forty six hundred retweets. I mean, that's
not a hefty ratio of folks pushing your information along.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
So that's kind of an interesting thing.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Saying nothing of Schefter, it's just kind of speaking to
the social media general.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
Why did twenty four thousand like that? Why would they
like that to happen to just.
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Because if he's a jet Yeah, get and Smith, they
need the thumbs down.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
But there are other there are other tweets that came
out Mike that were much more descriptive. Brian Costello was
quote tweeted by Tom Pelisaro. Brian covers the Jets for
the New York Post, saying Field's taken inside on a cart,
pulled up during a play in team drills and has
had his leg being checked. Since that's a lot more
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calming than carted to the locker room with an apparent
lower leg injury. Just just bad bad form. I know
it's the preseason for everybody, but bad form by Adam
Schefter on that tweet.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Yeah, so we go through and he gets referenced to
Jason Cole who joined us yesterday.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
I hope you guys made up.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
I was gonna say, don't remind me, no, just kidding.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Yeah. So you have rich Semini, who covers the Jets.
He had his his tweet that went out and started
going through quote Glens and won't speculate on the severity
of Field's injury, professes his faith in to Rod Taylor.
Remember it's to Rod Taylor. He made sure to point
that out to us. Also notes that Adrian Martinez has
some familiarity with the Detroit system now the Jets system,
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so going on Glenn believes someone stepped on field ste
He goes all the way through and then later on
when he submitted his full practice report, Fields avoided serious injury,
listed his day to day and follows even even that
with the Field's toe scare overshadowed what was a good
day by the defense and cornerback Brandon Stevens, so immediately
circling back, it's like, hey, hey, hey, that's over there now.
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Jets show so positivity out of Jets camp, but it's
the the inner interaction and we've always done it with
hockey of you know what, it's a lower body injury,
it's like is it a knee?
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Is it an ankle?
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Sometimes you don't know right, just the way the guy
goes off the ice in this particular case, what you
just you get nothing? And he's such a monster in
the space right It's like if Shams tweets something, Yeah,
he gets what everybody because Windy gets his run. But
even Lebron sunning him a bit has pushed him off
Mcmhmmon's now on the inside. So he gets his run
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and then Woj disappeared. He just said, I'm out of this.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Yes, if there is a mount rushmore of insiders. Schefter's
on it. Yeah, it's Glazer, no doubt, Glo.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
He's the one guy that gets information that the rest
of these he's not getting the group tasks correct.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Or he doesn't bother to pote repost what he gets
on the group text.
Speaker 5 (26:33):
Woach would be on that. Schefter's on it like he
just you can't deny the following. That's what's slowy irresponsible
about it. That's what's so frustrating about it is that
he knew exactly what he was doing. Because when you
say lower left the lower leg injury, now, especially coming
off of an NBA season, we immediately think Achilles. And
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to your point, starting out the segment of what happened
with Aaron Rodgers in his opening game, that's why he
knew what was going on.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, you say, and you put in no non contact.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Now, in this case, he did get stepped on, but
you know, if it doesn't, it's not a big hit.
So maybe you missed it right and you're not looking
to go into var in the process.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
And Schefter didn't write no contact, but he did write
a parent which makes it, I think even worse because
then you're just saying like you're like it's it's apparent
like I'm not sure, but that's yeah, that's that's a
apparently Oh my goodness. By the way, by the way, Adam,
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Adam Shelfer, Shelfer, that's pretty tweeted. Ruptured Achilles out for
the season. Adam Shelfer, the fake account has been getting
people on on that. But he's schefter wasn't that much better?
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, but he's picked up the torch from a darned
chefter because that thought.
Speaker 5 (27:53):
Oh gosh, yes, a darn schefter.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
That's the way to know. Welcome back to NFL.
Speaker 5 (27:59):
It's a one hundred and eighteen followers as opposed to
the twelve million that.
Speaker 3 (28:03):
But if you don't click through right, there's ways to
get yourself a bogus looking blue mark up near your.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
Name, so who's and you could buy it? So who
knows if you're just doing a quick glance.
Speaker 5 (28:17):
I forgot a darn chef, darn chef Centell.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Centel versus Central and on down the line. There you go.
Speaker 3 (28:27):
Justin Fields avoids major injuries, So uh, for now, the
Jets breeze breathe a sigh of relief. But I couldn't
tell you. I think I took enough time to turn
and make a cup of coffee to where I started
seeing the images of Kirk Cousins and a Jets you,
oh god timeline Immediately the guy has a hangnail and
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is five minutes late for practice. As he gets it
attended to, it's going to prompt Kirk Cousins tweets.
Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah, that's just what the Jets need, another old quarterback
coming off of a Hill's injury. If that were to happen,
like if something were to happen to Justin you got
Torod Taylor is mentioned earlier. What's what's the difference?
Speaker 4 (29:08):
You know, like, I mean, pay him nothing and move on.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
The Jets model this year should be punt because that's
kind of what this season is. This is a whole
new reset under this new regime, there aren't great expectations
for what's gonna happen with the Jets, so they're kind
of punting on twenty twenty five. What would you bring
in a quarterback that makes forty million dollars a year?
Speaker 4 (29:28):
Giant pictures of Drew Aller and nuss Meyer.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
And maybe even an archie many sure sitting around our
arch manning. I should say five and a half wins
one of those teams sitting at the bottom of the
universe as we traverse here. Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith
Show with Me, Mike Carbon Dan Byer in for Jason tonight.
You hear Dan during the week on the as part
of The Gottlieb Show, and Cavino and Rich you hear
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them with me Sunday mornings nine to eleven Pacific. I
remember this time that we haven't switched a full on
football mode just yet in terms of our divide and
Conquer the network on the weekends, and of course the
I Watch Reflex podcast, all the fantasy news. We've got
some more rankings coming up a little bit later in
the evening, but now it's time to turn our attention
over to the news desk, full Slate, major League Baseball,
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maybe some apparent Lee's and other terms mixed in her verbiage.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
For the evening, it's Monty malanyas.
Speaker 8 (30:20):
What's up, guys? What up? Carrie Rhodes fell for that
fake Adam Schefter account.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Shelfer.
Speaker 8 (30:26):
Shelfer, So, I woke up this morning and he was like, no,
not Achilles, like that was his tweet, and I was like,
what is he talking? About and I had to go
look for it, and I was like, he got sent held.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
He got sent held, And.
Speaker 8 (30:38):
I called him out on it already.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
He said, I know, I saw that, and I was like,
why didn't you double check?
Speaker 8 (30:43):
Because but I agree with you, Dan Schefter should not
have worded it like that in the first place.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well you know what you could have said, though, is
I saw the trailer for the new Percy Jackson season two.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
Pretty good, right, Carrie? And see if it gets him
back on.
Speaker 8 (30:58):
Nah. Just other news in the NFL fellas that the
Raiders are releasing defensive tackle Christian Wilkins, just one year
after he signed a four year, one hundred and ten
million dollars deal. The team is avoiding his remaining guarantees
due to how he's handled his foot injury rehab. Reports
are that the team wanted him to have surgery. He
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declined after several opinions. Wilkins is filing a grievance, so
we'll see how this turns out. In baseball, well, the
trade deadline is one week away and the Mariners have
acquired first baseman Josh Naylor from the Arizona Diamondbacks. But
right now the Mariners are losing to the Angels in
LA one zero top of the fourth inning. It's the
only game left. The others have wrapped up. The A's
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top the Astros five to two, and the Cardinals held
on to defeat the Padres at home nine to seven.
Blue Jay's handed the Tigers another loss. They are one
and ten in their last eleven games. Eleven four was
the final score there, while while the Orioles avoided a sweep,
they topped the Guardians four to three. WNBA News Fever
star Kaitlin Clark there's no timetable for her return. The
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team announced to date they did a further evaluations and
there was no additional injuries or damage. But she's just
gonna rehab with the priority on her long term health
and well being. That is what the team announced. Fever
did top the Aces already eighty to seventy, Sparks defeated
the Sun one o one to eighty six, Kelsey plump
thirty points in the wind, and the Storm Cruse passed
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the Sky ninety five to fifty seven.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
No Angel rees in that one. Back to you guys, so.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
Manty, I gotta ask in terms of my team apparel,
you can be my stylist. Can you think I could
rock that Indiana Fever Stranger Things look that they put out.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
You know, I haven't seen the shirt. I saw the video.
So is there shirts? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, I gotta get it. Yeah, so they did it
a couple of years ago. Now that I'm good, I'm
gonna buy you on.
Speaker 4 (32:43):
Come on, you could be in the upside down with
the side down a Fever upside down shirt.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
I'm gonna get it.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
We say, we celebrate the life and times of David
Harbor wherever we can. We're gonna get you into his
full filmography before the night's over, Dan, no question about it.
Speaker 4 (32:59):
Thanks Manti looking at the shirts, I'll let you know.
I'll let you know.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
There you go at Manzi Milanyos, We'll check back in
on that. I would be remiss if I didn't read
this tweet. You know, since we started with hul Cogan.
This comes from the account, the legacy account of the
Iron Cheek. Remember, no hold Corgan without Iron Chic, No
Iron Chic without hul Cogan. So one guy I really
wish was still with us in his mortal coil because
he would have been a fun guy to try to
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get on air and see how many times you could
dump someone in an interview segment.
Speaker 5 (33:28):
I'll tell you the legends. I mean, Holgan outlived the many. Yeah.
And the tweet that I saw was like, how is
rick Flair outliving everybody?
Speaker 2 (33:38):
Well?
Speaker 3 (33:38):
That is that, Yes, he's a bit worse for wear
beat up. He did an interview with TMZ and in
praising Hogan made sure to bring in and give a
big hug to his battles with Ricky the Dragons Steamboat,
which was I thought pretty interesting. We always had heat,
we were great, never as good as when I was
fighting Steamboat, but I'll tell you it's great stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
It's a great theater.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Hey, turning our attention back into the fantasy land, we
got one wide receiver who's making some big, bold predictions
and it ties to something you said last night, Dan Byer.
Speaker 4 (34:13):
Does he cracked the top five?
Speaker 3 (34:14):
If so, where We'll tell you next at Dan Byer
on Fox find me over at Swollen Down.
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Speaker 4 (34:28):
Welcome back in.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
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As we traverse the fun and exciting world of sports
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Speaker 4 (34:43):
Some of the sound bites just too rich as we go.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Through, but certainly looking at the wide array of stories
flowing through training camp. Yesterday we did our fantasy quarterbacks
and running back top five, and you dialed up a
sleeper note in terms of a guy that you're expecting
big things from, even if well, perhaps the team itself
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is more bluster than performance, and that's going down.
Speaker 4 (35:10):
To the world of Dallas.
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Well, Cedee Lamb went and made sure to point out, hey,
you know, when I'm on the field with Dak, I
mean special things can happen, right, I'm a guy that
can get it done. So every year we've got an opportunity.
If the two of us get together, it's going to
be special. So now when we look at our wonderful
world of the wide receiver position, Dan, going back to
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last year CD was eighth, did not play the final
two weeks of the season. So whenever we do this
and cost value adjusted, what have you about? Eighteen fantasy
points per game. In PPR leagues, you do bring in
George Pickens, a guy that we've been waiting on to
really find that upper echelon, but let's face it, in
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Pittsburgh not exactly running with a bunch of jugger to
try to make that happen. And also a guy that,
as we talk, maybe a little bit of Tyreek Hill
trying to figure out how much is pouting versus performance
falling off versus change in your quarterback trying to figure
out what that pie looks like. George Pickens was a
guy that if he didn't get fed early, it was
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operations shut down and pout. So now, but together that's
a dynamic duo that is mightily fascinating, which is why
Dak Prescott was a guy that appeared on your radar
in a big way at.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
The quarterback position.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Last year, your top scorers Chase Jefferson, I'm on Ross,
Saint Brown, Brian Thomas for all the misgivings and problems
of the Jacksonville offense, was still fourth, and then Drake
London was number five ahead of Milite neighbors. Some interesting
names right when you think about their team performances, like
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just again showing that fantasy performance can come despite an
insignia on the side of the helmet.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
You celebrate every game. You have to celebrate every team,
even if some teams do not give you that fantasy
fruitful list that you would hope. It's funny that we're
talking about this and Ceedee Lamb says it not because
I think it validates what I said yesterday. But we
did the top five quarterbacks, and I think you kind
of know who the top five quarterbacks are going to
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be fantasy wise, Mike. My fifth quarterback was Joe Burrow
on the list, just because the rushing ability of Lamar
and Josh Allen and Jayden Daniels and Jalen Hurts just
provides something that Joe Burrow doesn't have. And Dak to
me where he is right now in his career. They're
not mirror images, but there are similarities between the Cowboys
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and Cincinnati Bengals. And so now George Pickens comes in
ends up being maybe in that Ta Higgins spot that
you're like, hey, all right, Dallas probably has better offensive
line than what Cincinnati does. So you've got that going
for Dallas. And now when you look at the receivers
that you mentioned like something like justin Jefferson we know
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is magnificent. But again there's the quarterback question. Ceedee Lamb
doesn't have that. That's Deck's health, obviously, but that could
be with any other quarterback in the National Football League.
So I get why Ceede Lamb is excited, and I
think we should be excited about Ceedee Lambs as a
top three wide receiver in fantasy this year.
Speaker 3 (38:19):
So let's get to those top five in a second. Well,
let's hear from CD himself. I tried to encapsulate it,
but never never as good as the man himself.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
How does this wide receiver rank.
Speaker 9 (38:29):
For us of the lague? I like us versus anybody,
honestly versus anyone in any room. I don't care what
they be saying in the media. I see it. I
ignore it. Let's see other September. I don't really do
too much talking.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
Give me a little bit more. I see it. I
ignore it.
Speaker 3 (38:52):
Brother, you know, I mean he could have gone like
because we we're gonna use the sound bites. I mean
they're basically chilling as WWE superstars in a lot of these,
especially as they say, hey, I can get the ball,
but off the top and Bengals defense continues to stink.
So long as Joe Burrow is upright, Jamar Chase is
gonna get fed right. We could just agree, set it
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and forget it wrong, go cemented number one in our
sharpie pens, and then we start looking at Jefferson, Lamb, Hohoka, Nakua.
Are you trusting that Matthew Stafford makes it a full seventeen?
Speaker 4 (39:26):
Maybe? Maybe not. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:30):
Malik Neighbors is currently the number five. We talked about
the Giants quarterbacking room last night, and not with too
much positivity, but I look at it like you got
chasing Jefferson. I would put Lamb ahead of Jefferson because
of the questions of McCarthy. Lamb is growing up to
number two today. I'll take Jefferson at three and then
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four and five. We can debate a little bit. If
we weren't gonna jump on board the train and I
had Drake London, I just put d l in my
little list. Then I'll slide him in as a price
shot that if this breaks right, and we'll hear from
Michael Pennix about who he thinks, because we'll talk tight
ends later.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
See if the old.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Fool me ones kind of the philosophy comes in. But
I'll take London fourth. And then there's a bunch of
disarray in Detroit, and I know the coordinator's gone, and
everybody's looking at Ben Johnson whenever he practice rep in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (40:24):
But I'm on Ross. San Bron is still gonna get fed.
Speaker 3 (40:26):
Yeah's still gonna be one hundred catch guy, dump the ball,
good things happen.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
So he's still number five for them.
Speaker 5 (40:31):
And they should be able to protect Jared Goff, which
lows him to throw. Despite the changes that went on,
I have no problem with that. I don't have those
last two in my top five. But I love the Falcons.
I told you I think that Pennix could be a
top ten quarterback. People have them around twenty four to
twenty five. I think that the Falcons are just going
to be really really good offensively almost said great, but
really really good. I put Brian Thomas for I put
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Nico Collins five.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
So you think the one hundred question quiz is going
to take Trevor Lawrence that I just.
Speaker 5 (40:59):
Don't know what else they have. I know they can
we expect Travis Hunter to have this role, but Thomas
was legit, much to my surprise, and then Nico Collins
is quickly I just he's the guy, He's c J.
Stroud's guy. They just have to protect them.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
That's the bottom line. He's Dan Bayer in for Jason.
Speaker 3 (41:17):
I'm Mike will continue more fantasy talk, more across the
football landscape as we roll on. Let's go back to Cleveland,
because you got some interesting comments from you.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
He'll remember like parts of it. They were trying to
They wanted me to show up to this thing. They
wanted me to go on a trip with them the
next day to Saint Louis, Like like, no way, Like
it's not gonna happen. I know, I'm twenty two and dumb,
but like I'm not that dumb. It was.
Speaker 3 (41:47):
We all responded to those ads and found ourselves in
a room that you slinked out of five minutes.
Speaker 5 (41:52):
And we all know those photo albums that had that
that sticky clear page that would keep the photos in
but you could still were filled with pictures of people
standing by their cars and the checks that they cashed.
Like that was like there was their special photo album.
My goodness, I go, I know, I get it. I understand.
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I was. I don't even want to say I was foolish.
I was naive. I didn't understand.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
Well, we were all looking for a job. We yeah,
we're about this, just a couple of years apart of it.
Job market is rough now depending on what you're trying
to get into, and back then it was it was
a miserable experience. You're like, yeah, we all want five
years experience. I just graduated college. What do you want
from me? I did tasseled corn, and I worked sorting
frozen chicken, and I did some filing in the financial
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aid world.
Speaker 5 (42:43):
My experience at the Highway fifty one truck stop in
north central Wisconsin was not going to help me get
a media job or a radio job. At the time.
You needed that internship, you needed to do stuff, and
you also needed to make money. So that's what I
was looking to do after college. And I shut up
at a presentation. It was as bad as as you could.
(43:04):
Everything that they say about it, it's true, it's awful.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
You just felt filthy, and then you went back to
that truck stop and you washed up.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
Yeah.
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the dude wipes guy. Again, very curious kind of thing there,
but they celebrate the all brown uniform.
Speaker 4 (43:46):
All it goes to it.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
But we've been talking about the Browns from the quarterbacking
position and trying to figure out and read the tea
leaves of what they go forward with this season. Right,
they draft Dylan Gabriel and they draft Door Sanders, eventually
ending everybody's long nightmare. If you were covering the draft,
we were certainly on air watching it and chronicling it.
(44:08):
Here's another spot where there might be a quarterback Nope,
moving on and eventually he ends up a Cleveland Brown. Meanwhile,
you've got two Super Bowl champions on the roster, and
you decide how much you want to ascribe that value
to the second guy. But currently running with the ones,
the great Kenny Pickett and Joe Flacco, who won Comeback
Player of the Year coming off his couch and leading
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them to the playoffs a couple of years ago. Now
a lot of debate as to how good or poor
the roster is. Certainly, in a crowded AFC North, not
a lot of room for error in the six division games,
that's for damn sure. But we look at the quarterback
position and the battle through and trying to determine, well,
how many of these guys will actually stay right, and
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certainly the heype machine goes when it was seven on
seven and we're an offseason training and oh, look at
the deep ball. He's like, yeah, if he doesn't have
someone lighting his ass in the ground, any.
Speaker 5 (45:02):
Quarterback except for Drew Brees.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Poor guy's got no arm left, as we saw in
the final year of his pro career, and now he
talks about it. At this point. Everything's underhanded throws to
his kids. But except for him, everybody could throw the
ball sixty yards with a step through without waiting for
someone to take their knee out or plant them on
their ass. So take all that with a grain assault.
(45:26):
But certainly the heighte machine for Shador was out front
and center during some of those workouts in camp, Eh,
not so much. And now you've got Andrew Berry step
into the forefront, going, Hey, it's possibility that we come
to camp out of camp and go into the season
with all four guys in tow. Which is a bold strategy,
Cotton in a league where you value every roster spot.
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Part of it maybe thinking that long term Flacco or
Picket have some value for a second or third day
draft pick, depending on the desperation of a team that
suffers an injury and veteran in presence to bring the
other two guys along. But all of it to say,
it is a kind of a curious situation. Let's let's
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hear from Andrew Berry on the situation he's got with
his QBS quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (46:13):
Do you see a pathway to have four an opening
day roster?
Speaker 3 (46:16):
I do is that you know in night of the
asset that a quarterback is he largely looked at the
last five spots for rosters, more developmental spots, and that
can come from any position.
Speaker 5 (46:28):
So if there are four that are.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Fifty three man worthy and we think it makes the
most sense for us to keep them, Google Yah, fifty
three worthy, those five are developmental. That might be the
first time I've ever really heard a GM put it
in those terms.
Speaker 5 (46:42):
Sure, I'll tell you what like, when you go down
to a roster and you look at how it's set,
you'll see beat writers predict the roster. It's kind of
like predicting the NCAA tournament teams. You're going to get
fifty eight out of fifty nine just because of what
it is. You're the last eight or nine that you're
not nest necessarily sure about. And the Browns use their
way of doing it. I think it's an interesting angle
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on how they do it. I'm not sure how many
other teams do it, but I assume that it's more
than the Cleveland Browns. I think that the question, the
way that it was asked, not criticizing the reporter by
any means, but gave Andrew Berry a bit of an
out you can desire you're going to keep? Is the
plan to keep four quarterbacks? It was do you see
a pathway? Well, of course, yeah, it just may not
be realistic. There may be ninety nine other ones that
(47:26):
only have three. I just you mentioned earlier with the
Jets and the Kirk Cousins photoshops after the justin fields
injury first broke. If you're the Browns sitting there, aren't
you kind of looking at the same looking If so,
there's something the opportunity, yes else around there with either
Flacco or Picket, you know in that scenario, the I
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just don't know how you would keep that. Like the Seahawks,
for example, are gonna have three quarterbacks and Starnold, Drew
Lock and Jalen Milroe, who the drafted. Well, you can
use Milrow in a lot of different spots. It'll be
interesting to see how they do their roster. But are
you gonna put shudor Sanders on practice squad? Like like
what like? Are you gonna put them on the fifty three?
Speaker 3 (48:07):
Male?
Speaker 5 (48:08):
I just it doesn't It doesn't make a lot of
sense to hold four, especially just considering the spot that
the Browns are in, when some teams are only holding
over or holding on two to two quarterbacks of the roster.
Speaker 4 (48:21):
Yeah, I think some of.
Speaker 3 (48:21):
It plays to what we were talking about a little
bit last night in terms of, you know, your public
speaking points. As much as we look at Mike Brown
and Jerry Jones and shrug our shoulders and going, really
we need to air all this out. Maybe got a mouthpiece.
It's early camp. You give us some uh, you know,
some scraps to go fight over on the yard, right,
But why upset the room at this point if you
(48:43):
legitimately see a path, not not the pathway to the
four guys, but the you're gonna have a competition for
as many reps as you can because in another week's
time that starts to funnel down, right, and in terms
of who's getting mean, meaningful reps unless you're meeting in
the practice bubble after curfew to run some routes and stuff.
(49:03):
But all of that to say, yeah, we don't it's
kind of saying we don't know. But why upset the
room right where there's all these rumors and everybody looking
for any bit that they can run on shouldear Sanders right,
because in our media, in our media space, right, you've
got cheerleaders like to take it to the extreme. It's
(49:24):
the lebron James. It could be the most innocuous comment possible,
but we're going to dissect it in voice inflection if
we have video of it. How was he sitting, did
his eyebrow raise? Who was he looking at? Did he smirk?
Speaker 4 (49:40):
It a guy.
Speaker 3 (49:40):
As he was saying it, we do all that, and
anything we get about Shadear Sanders has been the same thing.
How do we bring Dion's name into it? How do
we talk about whatever it is, nepotism, legacy history? Does
he get a fair shake? Is it because of the
family name?
Speaker 4 (49:57):
Throw out? You know your call sign and see where.
Speaker 3 (50:01):
Where the bodies land in terms of you know, the
vote of your audience in that moment, kind of like
it's a reality show where you have to survive to
the next week. But for Shagara Sanders, that's what you get, right,
It's grist for the mill. Dylan Gabriel is just going
to work right, Nobody cares. Maybe he shows up, maybe
he plays, maybe he doesn't. He's the fourth guy in
(50:23):
this race, even though he was drafted before Shadur. But
it feels like from a pr standpoint, I mean, there's
gonna be a lot of want if you're the Browns,
they're selling a lot of jerseys and whatever else. The
worst thing in the world would be the Yeah, he's
just not good enough and we have to cut him.
I mean, you'll have made some money, but it won't
be the cash cow and storyline that threads through. As
(50:45):
for the veterans, Yeah, you're waiting by the phone for
every practice report from Adam Schefter. That makes it sound
like a guy's getting amputated.
Speaker 5 (50:54):
Yeah, and that's that's considering that Joe Flacco led them
to the playoffs two years ago and then they completely
botched his bringing back last year because they didn't want
the distraction. So now you bring him back and you
have a whole other distraction now with Shador Sanders. It
just is more of the same with the Cleveland Browns.
(51:16):
And honestly, Mike, I know that the team is not
at fault for the Quinn shown Judkins situation. That doesn't
help this offseason. He paid Miles Garrett forty million dollars,
but the first part of the NFL offseason for the
Browns was how Miles Garrett wanted to play for all
these other teams because the Browns we weren't Super Bowl contenders.
(51:38):
They pay him forty million dollars. In his tune changes, Oh,
he said.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
They're going to the super Bowl yesterday.
Speaker 3 (51:43):
Yah, we got a shot, Like everybody, come on, there's
that check cleared.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
Right when things are happening in the offseason or things
are happening in the preseason aren't going their way, maybe
to no fault of their own. It doesn't bode well
for the season, and this is a team that we're
not expecting a lot from. The Dylan Gabriel thing is interesting, Mike,
because I'm wondering, does Dylan Gabriel like have to significantly
(52:09):
outperform shaudor Sanders in this scenario or is it just
Andrew Berry and Kevin Stefanski taking to what you say.
He's a third round pick, He's who they invested in.
The fifth round pick of Sanders sure seemed to be
an ownership call, but does Dylan Gabriel have to do more?
They're gonna be must watch TV in the preseason, but
(52:31):
the other thirty one teams you may not care. But
when the Browns play and you watch those like, that's
gonna be must watch TV. I guarantee you and Jason
will be talking about it shortly after each night's games
and how they're going to be. They will be the
mussy team of the preseason, which by the way, doesn't
bode well for the regular season. But that's no shocker
when it comes to the Browns.
Speaker 3 (52:50):
Well, number twelve in your fantasy wide receivers. A year ago,
Jerry Judy had himself a nice big year. Just throw
it up and let him go make plays.
Speaker 5 (52:58):
He did. There's no more Jamis Winston there. And if
Joe Flacko's not going to play, you got Kenny Pickett
thrown to you. And if Kenny Pickett doesn't work out,
so you are going to then go to Flacco.
Speaker 3 (53:10):
Kenny, now that he's gotten away from Pittsburgh, does that
change things? Can he be a different guy?
Speaker 5 (53:18):
I think it's I think it's the Trubisky deal. And
I've told you this before. Trubisky when he went to Buffalo,
not talking about his Bear's tenure, but when he went
to Buffalo, everybody thought he was fixed. He took like
six snaps in Buffalo. And so then he goes to
(53:38):
Pittsburgh and tries to be the starter there and it
doesn't work out, and we're surprised. Like I kind of
feel the same with Kenny Pickett in Philadelphia a little bit,
maybe not exactly, but you go Philadelphia, you're back up there. Now.
Guess what you you went through? You went through the
car wash of another team and you came out and
you had that Steeler's stink off of Yeah, if you
(53:59):
will know he's going to be a different quarterback, I
would bet not.
Speaker 4 (54:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (54:04):
I just think the common denominator of how future that
Pittsburgh offense has been for so long that anytime a
guy gets a chance out there, it's like I wish
and hope that it was centralized and not every one
of these guys that was picked high as a buzz,
don't you.
Speaker 5 (54:21):
Teddy Pickett was taken by the Steelers because they needed
a quarterback. He went to pitt He was in there.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Yeah, he was in the backyard. They knew him better
than anybody. Yeah, all of those stuff. And again, you know,
we talked about it a little bit last night, is
I'll always defend your right to make that pick, no
matter how insane it may be. In the end, y'all call,
it costs you your job eventually, So you know, hired
to be fired and make those big, bold proclamations. But
(54:50):
for Andrew Berrying Company, makes for a fascinating preseason. And
I think just quickly with the Dylan Gabriel thing, Yeah,
he's gonna have to grossly outperform Shdor Sanders, big a
story the other way.
Speaker 5 (55:01):
I think yeah, I think so as well. It could
just unless again, somebody gets hurt and then you move
Flacco out and then you can keep all that.
Speaker 3 (55:07):
Then it suddenly fixes itself. We fix the glitch straight
out of office space.
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