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Jason Smith & Mike Harmon talk about Tyson Bagent getting an extension for the Bears as a backup QB and got all emotional.

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Speaker 3 (00:27):
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Speaker 4 (00:37):
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Speaker 1 (00:40):
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I've never, I've never, I've Why is my hi? What
is hang on? I gotta you get.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Punched in the junk before we went on air? What no, man,
that's ame, No that this would be like a punch
in the throat. All right, No, that's better. I mean,
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Speaker 4 (01:14):
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end of the Mets game. Wow. Okay, so that was
that sounds about right? Yeah, that's I didn't really didn't
think my voice would ever get that high again. That's something, man, Yeah,
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Speaker 1 (01:53):
Right now, listen, there's a right right This is the
time right now in the NFL. First of all, where
fantasy owners are starting to get little nervous. We're going
everybody's going through their drafts, going Wait a minute, the
Saints traded for a wide receiver. The Broncos traded a
wide receiver away. Wait a minute, Wait a minute, wait,
what's happening now? Lamar Jackson got hurt in practice today? No,
hang on a second, Hang.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
On a second. What's going now? Lamar Jackson is okay,
just to let you know, injury scare. He is absolutely fine.
But this is that moment in the calendar where we're
we're getting ready for Week three of the preseason of
the NFL, where we know, okay, all the best players
have played. This is all gonna be mainly backups and
guys fighting for roster spots. This is when everybody's got

(02:34):
their fantasy drafts going on, and it's every little bit
of information people absolutely go crazy for it.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
Okay, what does it mean today?

Speaker 1 (02:43):
The Saints made a trade with the Broncos who traded
their fourth wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
What does this mean? What are the fantasy applications? This
is what today has made for Mike Carmen.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
It means somebody won the number four slot and will
not be on your fantasy roster unless you're in a
dynasty league.

Speaker 4 (02:58):
And then you start really getting deep and desperate.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
I mean I did a draft earlier today by it
was eighteen rounds deep final six rounds?

Speaker 4 (03:07):
But can we just finish this? I'm done with Yeah,
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Well here's how here's how crazy I am right now,
right after this Saint's trade today, right the Broncos obviously,
can I say this, yeah, whatever, it's either gonna happen
or it's not.

Speaker 4 (03:21):
So the Saints trade happens, and I'm.

Speaker 5 (03:24):
Like, okay, this opens things up on the Broncos for
Pat Bryant. Right, guy, that that that Sean Payton said
reminds him of of of Michael Thomas and you know
the slant King and all I'm going, Oh man, So
I'm in the fourth round of a Dynasty draft and
I am doing all I can to get the next
like this is you know, forty rookies have gotten chosen already,

(03:45):
Like I'm not going, but now I gotta get Pat
Bryant right now. I'm like, here's my fourth rown pick,
here's it, here's it, Here's a Xavier Leget, here's you know,
here's here's Ken Dre Miller.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
I want that next pick so I can get Pat Bryant.
Like I am lunatic over making this trade right now,
Like I'm and I'm checking my phone. Come on, accept
this trade. Of course you want to accept this trade.
Accept this trade. It's a fourth.

Speaker 5 (04:05):
Round pick in a rookie in a rookie dynasty fantasy draft.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
I'm like, I gotta have this guy. I gotta have them.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Well, but that's thing right, you started seeing a couple
of headlines. You actually asked me about him yesterday. Yeah,
so all of a sudden, I was like, you spoke
this in New Existence. You have a hotline? I mean,
is this like Strgy? You have a more direct line
to Denver? Did you go through Colin? I mean, how
did you make this happen?

Speaker 5 (04:27):
I can't tell you. I could just tell you that
you go to seances. Things happen sometimes that I'm in
on the ground floor.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
That's all it is. Did you get to a lock
of somebody's hair and makens happen? I mean, I don't know.
All of a sudden, I got this really bad doll.
What's how? How? How I want to be traded? I
want to be traded. I want to be traded. I
want to be traded full on voodoo through your fantasy draft.
But this is this is what the time is for.
Right now in the NFL, in the draft with fantasy,

(04:56):
with trades going up and down.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
I mean, it's just fun. This is the this is
the silly season of the NFL right now. This is
a silly season where Okay, every single day it could
be somebody that the average NFL fan.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Just has no idea about it. Wait, no, this is
a big thing. It's a big trust me, it's a
big thing.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
Well, it was funny that the trade that that your
Jets did with the Vikings. I had a lot of
friends in Minnesota that are pissed. Yeah, we got defensive
tackles today. Yeah, the trade that that brings in Harrison Bryant, right,
or Harrison Phillips, I'm sorry he gets traded to the Jets,
and all my guys in Minnesota, like, that's the strength
of the squad when you've got a room quarterback, Like,

(05:35):
what are we doing? You had death, you had a
guy that they liked and and and then you trade
them to the Jets, who once again are stockpiling defensive tackles.
It's like we're back in twenty eleven again. Dude, we
win the off season.

Speaker 5 (05:49):
We may not win the offseason, but we finish and
we finish on the metal stand every year and winning
the off season.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
That's absolutely what happens to us. Man, we win the
off season, we are right there.

Speaker 5 (05:59):
But speak thinking of teams that won the offseason. Okay,
the other night I told you we had this conversation.
You disagree with me, and I still disagree with you,
but it's fun.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
You don't know what I'm talking about? What about say?
You need all you need to say? What am I
gonna you didn't start crying with your high pitch? What
am I gonna say? What am I gonna say? I
know exactly what you're gonna say.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
What am I gonna say? I'm Caleb Williams shouldn't start
a game again for the Bears.

Speaker 5 (06:25):
Okay, well, it is about Caleb Williams. It is about
Caleb Williams. It is about Kayleabibs. I told you the
other night, and you disagree with me. It is twenty
twenty five or bust for Caleb Williams in Chicago. And
he said, no, he's gonna get a year three. It's
gonna happen. I said, not going to happen. It would
be if he has a bad look. And I told
you first thing I told you, I think he's gonna

(06:45):
have a big year. Right, Ben Johnson knows what he's doing.
The promo is running all over Fox. Ben Johnson knows
what he's doing. He's got a lot of weapons. Caleb
Williams is terrific.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
He didn't have a bad year last year, but he
wasn't Jayden Daniels, so people think, oh he was to
no Caleblliams.

Speaker 5 (07:00):
It was a bad end of the year. He got
sacked a lot, mainly because his offensive line was terrible.
But understand things are different. They got a better offensive
line in place. They signed a couple of guys with
Pro Bowl resumes. Right, things are going to be better.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
But if it's not, this is it for Caleb Williams
in Chicago and they will move on from him in
the offseason. And this is Caleb williams last year with
the Bears. He's not going to survive a bad year.
Number one, all the noise outside the organization, look, Bears Nation,
they're ready. They have one foot off the Caleb outside

(07:32):
of the Caleb Williams bandwagon. Already, they are done. They
are ready for.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
Him to stink.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
You see all the stuff this preseason with Tyson bag
and how much they're ready for him to just stink
so they can get rid of them. And you disagree
with me, And now I want to know if you
still disagree with me after today, after the pump and
circumstance for Tyson beagent's contract extension with the Bears.

Speaker 4 (07:55):
Okay, nothing should.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Tell you that this is twenty twenty five or bus
for k Williams more than what we saw today. First
of all, backup quarterback contracts don't get announced, Okay, it's
just a signing. Oh hey, look who our backup is
going to be. This is how it goes right because
you what your starting quarterback knows who he is.

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Nobody makes a.

Speaker 5 (08:15):
Pomp and circumstance announcement with their backup quarterbacks, but the
Bears do today. You don't sign a backup quarterback long term,
because why are we locked into a backup quarterback long ter?

Speaker 4 (08:25):
But this is what happened.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
Beijing gets a two year extension today for ten million dollars,
could get to as much as sixteen million dollars.

Speaker 5 (08:33):
This would make him the highest paid backup quarterback in
the NFL. You don't pay a guy that kind of
money and have this kind of Hey, we're gonna give
you a day to be announced as our backup quarterback
unless there are plans long term that you may have
to start. And this is what the Bears have said
with all of this today, look, and I think it's

(08:53):
a great day for Beijing. Obviously we're going to play
some sound from in a second. You know, sure, very
emotional with his day today and his journey and an
awesome day for him.

Speaker 4 (09:01):
But no one does this.

Speaker 1 (09:02):
No one talks about the backup quarterbacks like the Chicago
Bears have talked about their backup quarterbacks. I mean, you
got Ben Johnson saying I've been blown away by his approach.

Speaker 4 (09:13):
He knows what to do, he gets it done. You
can't have.

Speaker 5 (09:16):
Enough talent in that room. We have one of the
best quarterback rooms in the NFL. And then you had
Ryan Poles on Sunday Night Football saying, no one prepares
harder than Tyson bagee.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Wha, Wait a minute, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa. Okay, I
get that. I'm sure he prepares hard. I get that.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
But you're gonna go on national TV and say your
hardest working player is your backup quarterback?

Speaker 4 (09:36):
I mean you have to.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
You have to read the signs out there that the
Bears are saying. And part of this is gonna be
we're motivating Caleb Williams because this is this is kind
of what Jerry Jones did trying to get Trey Lance
into the Cowboys, saying, hey, we like Trey Lance. That
might motivate Dak Prescott. Guess what kind of did until
Dak Prescott got hurt. But this is motivation. This is
also saying we have a plan in place. Man, if

(09:58):
you state this.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Year, look at what we have with our backup who
you like, how he played during the season. We're giving
him a press conference for his for his quarterbirth extent.

Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah, look at the money we're giving him. All of
this tells you they have planned they will move on
from Caleb Williams after this year.

Speaker 5 (10:14):
If it is not great, it's twenty twenty five or
bust for Caleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I'm gonna look at it this way and look, I
like the chaos, and I was hoping you'd push all
in saying Caleb, it never plays another snap.

Speaker 4 (10:26):
This is all.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
This is all to have your five million dollars a year,
maybe as much as eight million dollars a year quarterback.

Speaker 4 (10:33):
Let's get it started, I would say this right.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
First thing is this is the first contract extension signed
by a quarterback, not not a one year hey you're
still here, yay kind of thing, since Jake Cutler in
twenty fourteen. So we're going back a decade. So yes,
this requires pomp and circumstance. I'm surprised they didn't bring
out a damn ice cream cake when it's all said
and done.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
You're also talking about a.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Guy who's a Division two quarterback, and I mean he
got weepy. We will play the sound, but talking about it,
locking it in, locking him in, saying you love it here,
we love you. Let's get this done because if he
does have to start, either via injury or the unfortunate
occurrence of Caleb Williams, you know what's that word sucking,

(11:16):
then you got a guy in your room that knows
the room, has been there two years and can come in,
has shown and demonstrated what he can do, and you
got him on the cheap for two years.

Speaker 4 (11:28):
So that's all fine and good, right.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
The other is continuity in a program in a city
where there has been no continuity and consistency in that room.
Ben Johnson went to Ryan Poles and look, I'm not
a Ryan Poles guy. You know this, but it's the
idea of let's have some semblance and consistency.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
This is what we do going forward.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
If he has to play great, if he doesn't ever
see a snap, you've got a minimal investment. But you've
got an insurance policy, right, It's the Lloyd's of London policy.
When I'm a twenty year old guy sprinting up and
down one of the greatest college players of all time,
but I know that if one bad tackle, one hip
drop tackle, my career goes bam. Lloyd's Lunson cutting me

(12:09):
a check. That's what they're doing here with the quarterback position.
Or if someone gets truly desperate, secret option. See, hey,
anybody want to trade for Tyson Bagent. We love him
and you can have him if the price is right.
If Tyson Bagent wasn't expected to start right, But let's
just say, hey, here's what we're doing.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
We are showing up the quarterback room.

Speaker 5 (12:32):
You're going into the draft next year to get a
new quarterback, aren't you right? Really, you can't sit here
and say, well, we don't like Caleb Williams, you know,
but an hour you're gonna go and get another quarterback. Right,
that's your plan, right, because if Caleb Williams doesn't work out,
you need a quarterback. It's okay, things are bad. We're
going into free agency for a proven starter. We're gonna
go to get a guy that Sam Darnold type that

(12:53):
all of a sudden makes himself available, Right, that's what
you're doing. Or hey, we're picking high enough in the draft,
we're going to get Arch Manning, We're going to get
somebody else. Doesn't matter. But the fact that you instead
are giving Tyson Bagent this kind of money. This is
not money that Hey, we are solidifying the backup spot
and hope he never has to play. This is we

(13:13):
have a backup guy that we know we're gonna turn
to if it doesn't work out.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Well.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
That's why this is such a big sign for Caleb
Williams because if he doesn't play well in twenty twenty,
all right, well we have a guy.

Speaker 4 (13:24):
We like, right.

Speaker 5 (13:25):
I bet you the Bears look at this situation like
we have RG three and Kirk Cousins. Right, we have
RG three and Kirk Cousins. You know, Kirk Cousins is
the fourth round pick, and hey, we kind of turned
him into something. We let him loose. He got the gig.
Look at how good he was. This is kind of
how the Bears see this quarterback situation. Well, look, we
drafted RG three really high. He's our guy. You saw
the talent, right, just like RG three was his rookie

(13:47):
year's first couple of years. But RG three didn't sustain
it got hurt at her. Kirk Cousins got his chance
and Kirk coun and now you see RG three is
on television.

Speaker 4 (13:55):
Kirk Cousins is the highest paid backup in the NFL.

Speaker 5 (13:58):
Still, this this is the sign that says, hey, if
we strike out a quarterback this year, this is our
guy next year. We're not putting all this money in
here unless we think he's really going to play, and we.

Speaker 4 (14:11):
Have to give him a chance. And now we're hoping
that Caleb's a guy.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Right, we still have every confidence, but we are ready
to We are pulling on that rip quorder.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
We are pressing that panic button. After twenty twenty five,
twenty five or.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Bust for Caleb Williams Well and the beauty of it
is you got two guys in the room that are
making nothing right. Your quarterback position is solidified for the
next couple of years, and you're not paying a dime.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
It's a beautiful thing.

Speaker 5 (14:37):
If you wind up this year getting rid of Caleb
Williams after twenty twenty five, I want you with a
sandwich board ringing a bell on the corner of some
Pulvit and Ventura, saying Jason was right, Jason was right,
and then on the end says end times or nine
like the front of the sandwich board, Jason, Well, on the

(14:58):
back of the sandwich board times or nigh, and you
wave one of those one of those bells.

Speaker 4 (15:02):
It goes ding ding ding ding da dingda ding d
ding d ding.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, let's make sure our guys, Patrick, Alex make sure
you clip that off, because in saying that's the last
sentence that he did, the end times are nigh. With
the Jason was right, he just admitted that everything he's
been telling me for years was erroneous and that my
strategy of doing the opposite was brilliant. Two opposite like

(15:27):
the Homer life, to opposite of what Bart says to
me looks.

Speaker 4 (15:32):
Get ready man, I am telling you they get ready,
get ready.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
Now let's love I loved him. No, yeah, it's great.
Let's hear a little bit of Tyson pagent. You know
today had had a great conference. Look, this is you know,
for him listening to him today talk about the journey
he had and and and in his life from when
he was a kid to now. Listen to him getting
very emotional after getting his contract extension. This is where

(15:56):
you play the Tyson Pagent getting very emotional.

Speaker 4 (15:59):
Okay, okay, you know a lot.

Speaker 6 (16:01):
Of people don't know this, but you know, my dad
is my uh he's my right hand man, and he
didn't he didn't have running water until he was in
high school. So there's definitely a lot of things that
and people that I could that I think I could
certainly help with this gift I've been blessed with.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
But yeah, just little things like that. You know, I
don't really know anybody back at home with any money.
So yeah, it feels good.

Speaker 6 (16:24):
I mean, it's certainly a weight off my shoulders and
my family shoulders, and yeah, definitely means a.

Speaker 5 (16:30):
Lot that I'd be a great moment for him. You hear,
are But there's no pomping circumstance and contract money unless
you think your backup quarterback is going to be that guy.

Speaker 4 (16:41):
But it's also a great story when you know his history. Though.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
This is the Bears showing they have heart that look
what they did. No, No, this is a win for
the organization. Sure it creates chaos in the media side
of it, but for them to be able to say,
this is our guy. Look, we're betting on him, humble roots.
Look at humble guy working hard, busting his ass. You know,
he worked harder than any went all right, he worked
as hard as other guys. But all of that to say,

(17:06):
it's it's a pr win. And when you don't announce
a lot of these extensions, like every other team, even
your Jets have had guys that you said, hey, you
know what, we'll give him another deal.

Speaker 4 (17:16):
Bears don't do that.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
There were mothballs head related to the quarterback position before this.

Speaker 4 (17:23):
It's a big deal. It's a celebrating thing. And now
I want ice cream.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
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Keep it right now, maybe more wide receivers. We'll get traded.

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down over a story from three days ago continues. But
you know, look, first of all, I want to say this,
I'm really coming more around to that, to how Caleb Williams,
Tyson Bagent really seems like it's RG three Kirk Cousins
all over again, right, like so many, so many things
are similar, right the Bears, like just how the the

(20:23):
Red the then Redskins knew. Look, they drafted RG three
and then they drafted Kirk Cousins, which is, why are
you drafting Kirk Cousins when you have that doesn't make it?
But whatever, And they gave RG three a chance. They
gave him two plus years. His first year was really good, right,
I believe he's offensive Rookie of the Year.

Speaker 4 (20:38):
Sure was fantastic. Yeah, they went to the.

Speaker 5 (20:41):
Yeah they gave to Now they gave a little bit
longer because that was the time in twenty twelve you gave,
you gave guys a little bit longer.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Now we don't give players nearly as long. There's first
round quarterbacks that are out of a job after the
first year, just ask Josh Rosen. But after you know,
you get three years and it's not he's not quite
as good as it was. Whatever it was leadership wise
with him, the questions you had, I really wanted thirty
for thirty on that era because wow, well, I mean
in the end, he couldn't stay healthy right now, No,

(21:11):
I mean at thirteen and in and out of the
lineup and leaving himself exposed to a lot of hits.
So a lot of what we've talked about with Anthony Richardson.
So when RG three starts piping up, I just start pointing, going, yeah,
you're seeing things, aren't you. Now, Look, I mean he
didn't stay healthy. He wasn't quite the same the same play,
and I understand that. And Kirk Cousin slowly got his chance,

(21:32):
and then the.

Speaker 5 (21:33):
Redskins had no choice but to say he's our guy,
right and RG three was done. You know, he tried
to finish his career out, and then you saw Kirk
Cousins then turn that into you know, a five hundred
million dollar career that's still going right now with the
Minnesota Vikings and.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
The greatest businessman ever down there waiting for a chance
in Atlanta.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Yeah, but Washington wouldn't let go of kirk Cousins. They wouldn't.

Speaker 5 (21:58):
They wouldn't say, you know what, we have our starting quarterback.
Is this good? Is this good for the company? Is
this good for everyone? That we wind up keeping him?
While RG three we keep saying is our guy?

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Right?

Speaker 1 (22:13):
Because I don't care what kind of how strong you
are mentally. If the if Washington thought that RG three
was gonna be great, and they had no problems, no questions,
data said goodbye to kirk Cousins, they'd have fliped them
into something else because you don't want a quarterback division
to tear your team apart. But they held on to him,
knowing full well, we're really not quite sure that RG

(22:34):
three is a guy. That's why you go crazy for
a backup quarterback, right.

Speaker 5 (22:37):
Usually you do what teams not to say the jetsf
you do with the Jets do Hey, we signed Justin Fields.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Let's go get to Rod Taylor for whatever. He's a
career backup. If he needs to start, we can. Everything
is fine. This is how teams do it. You don't
go crazy for a young backup quarterback unless you think
he's going to play for us at some point. And
so Washington they held on to Kirk Cousins, and that
told you they knew. Hey, we're still not sure that
he's our guy. The fact that Bears are going to

(23:03):
this extent two year contract extension could wind up being
the highest paid backup of the NFL.

Speaker 5 (23:08):
He's there, Kirk Cousins. We're still not sure that Williams
is the guy. And after this year, we've seen Baige
in play enough in spurts to know that he needs
a chance to play. He needs a chance to play
at some point with the ones. If Caleb Williams falters,
he's not our break glass in case of emergency guy.
He is our next step toor if Caleb Williams doesn't work,
this is where we go next. It seems like it's

(23:30):
the It's RG three and Kirk Cousins all over again.

Speaker 4 (23:33):
Yeah, I think the analogy can work.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
I mean we're asking some of these questions, you know,
in the much looser terms during the draft when Cleveland
did what they did with Dylan Gabriel and Shador Sanders,
and it's a question still being asked of why did
you put yourself in a conundrum other than because they're
the Browns with when you go back to Washington, I mean,
remember they win the division in twenty twelve behind RG three.

(24:00):
Next year he goes three and ten as a starter,
Philadelphia wins. But you still think you have a roster
that can compete. The Bears are building that now, right,
you look at it and for what they did in
this offseason, and again it's winning the offseason. Let's see
what happens once we actually have to blow a whistle
and play meaningful football. That isn't a preseason game that

(24:20):
you get to see a smattering of plays and decide,
you know, the be all to end all of all, right,
you have to push in based on those eight plays
you saw, how do you feel?

Speaker 4 (24:28):
Ah?

Speaker 1 (24:29):
And then you scream it and come up with a
hot take. No, it's now, let's have some measured approach
and see how it goes through. You do have to
play the AFC North, including the aforementioned Browns, but you
know you've got a schedule that isn't very forgiving to
you as you go. But you built an offensive line
that was the first thing you addressed on paper.

Speaker 4 (24:51):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Caleb Williams getting the tough love from Ben Johnson. That's great, Tyson.
Bagent's been there a couple of years. He's seen the
worst of it, and they watch enough and said, even
in spite of all of the horrid offensive coordinator work
that they had and the head coach that should not
have been, you know what is and what should not

(25:12):
have been, that they liked enough to say, all right,
we're keeping this guy around work ethic, whatever he showed
him in the classroom, whatever he's done at the whiteboard.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
With Ben Johnson.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Yeah, I mean put yourself in a position to where
if Caleb Williams isn't there, you're not saying, all right,
seasons loss, We're hoping to find a guy on the
scrap heap, or we have to go get Kirk Cousins
to bring him back into this scenario and pay a
king's ransom to go get a guy. No, you've got
a guy in there at five million a year who's
very excited to be there and has known your team

(25:45):
and knows what it's all about and has won the
locker room. Yeah, it's the best of all scenarios. If
this guy stinks, I mean, he should be looking over
his shoulder right, nobody should feel that comfortable until your
year five, year six in the league. You should be
always looking over thinking so much taking your job. Caleb Williams,

(26:05):
Tyson Pagent, RG three and Kirk Cussins. I'm going to
get to explain to the generation who's just coming up
as football fans. I go, what was the RG three
Kirk Cousins about Grandpa? Well, let me tell you about that. Meanwhile,
as I said, we got another big NFL story coming
up in a few minutes. But this talk the last
few days because now you know, you saw the Rob

(26:26):
Manfred statement on Sunday Night Baseball that realignments coming to
Major League Baseball. Right, it's not coming tomorrow, it's not
after breakfast, but sometime they want to expand to thirty
two teams and potentially, you know, look, it could be Montreal,
it could be North Carolina, whatever it is. Yeah, they
could bring professional baseball to the Bronx. I did I

(26:48):
say that after we lost to the Nationals tonight. But
the number of pe because I can tell you what
to be scared about, because there's so many baseball fans
of every level scared out realignment number one, because they're
scared that. Look, baseball is steeped in so many traditions.
We're going to lose all these rivalries that we spent
all our lives growing up with. Okay, you know, these

(27:10):
divisions have been in place for twenty years. It's not
like it's been since eighteen ninety six, right, and we've
already changed everything else, So what's the difference. But you
get you get people who are scared of of the
trade because, look, baseball is steeped in tradition more than
any other sport, and I understand that you need to
be a little bit beholden to that, But the people
are scared of all what's going to happen to baseball.

(27:31):
Now We're going to get these eight four team divisions
all throughout baseball. It's going to be like the NFL.
And people, you know, fan seem to be scared, not
liking it. Like I saw a couple of looking and
look when you see baseball punnets who are over eighty
talking about it, you understand.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Okay, this is the because the sport they've grown up
in is now changing. Right.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
This is the the John Henry line from the end
of Moneyball. You're you're you're threatening their jobs, you're threatening
their livelihoods. That's going But the thing to be scared of,
because there is something to be scared of. And I
don't want to be here telling you should be scared,
but there is thing to be scared to tell you?

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Are you? Are you reprising your your role of the
old man's sitting.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
On Because what I'm scared of, right is that, Okay,
baseball is going to say we're gonna make this. What
Rob Mafford wants to do is have travel be easier,
rivalries be easier, make it all. I'm scared that if
because I don't want my team loaded up in a
division where it's going to be a knockdown, drag out,

(28:26):
bare knuckle boxing fight, blood on the floor, hair on
the walls to get to the playoffs, because that ain't fair,
because what are you already have that? What I'm looking
at me?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Come on, we got come on, man, we're okay. I
mean you got yeah, I got the Braves and the Phillies,
but that's fine. You know I got you got the
teams like the Nationals and the Marlins. But what I'm
scared of this is what all teams should be scared
of is that all contenders teams that are in big markets,
that you're gonna load me up and make it make
it really difficult for me to get out of my division.
Like the division is going to be the Mets and

(28:58):
the Yankees and the phill are all gonna be in
the same division, and you got to throw in the
next lotest probably is the Pirates. Right, you can have
those teams and ice one team that's terrible, but okay,
that's not really fair that you're throwing three big market
teams that spend a lot of money that are better
than most year in and year out, say hey, here's
how you make the playoffs win. Suddenly it's gonna be

(29:19):
the Brewers.

Speaker 4 (29:20):
And the Reds and you know, and the and the
Rays or whatever, the Rays and the Marlins are gonna
be in the same division.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Where that's not fair, man. And that's what I'm afraid of,
is that bag, Because how can you say we're gonna
we're gonna make it geographically beholden and make it great
for everybody, and not have the Mets and Yankees in
the same division, right, not have the White Sox and
Cubs and the same whatever. It's going to be all though,
Cubs fans and be happy with that. But that's what
I'm afraid. That's the real thing to be afraid for
Most teams, like, yeah, hey, can't get any worse, right
if you're a if you're a team in the bottom

(29:49):
half of Major League Baseball, you're like, hey, maybe I
get lucky and I get in a division where we
can make some hay right now, who knows, maybe that
could happen.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
Maybe the the.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
The American League or the National League South is gonna
be the the Braves are gonna say, we're gonna get
the Marlins, We're gonna get the Rais, you know, who knows.
But that's what I'm afraid of, is that you're gonna
take that my team, who's a big market team, is
gonna get loaded up where it's gonna be. Hey, man,
come on, you can't really expect this is not a
fair fight where three of the biggest market teams and
the biggest spenders are gonna have to fight out with

(30:19):
each other every year to go to the playoffs, unless
you're adding wildcards, which you know, I got to hear
more of the plan.

Speaker 4 (30:24):
But that's what I'm afraid of.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
That suddenly my team's gonna get in a division where
it's really unfair to say, hey, here's how you're gonna
get out of it every year and get to the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Well, just wait for part two of Rob Manver's plan
about the salary cap and here we go, or maybe
actually raising the floors so there is some competition. High pirates,
high white well white Sox have spent they just did
so terribly for a number of those years, and then realize,
well that did work, so why are we wasting money?
But all of that to say, look, the other is

(30:53):
to play my south Side Chicago hat is that. I
really hope the overtime has approved for all the extra
security and off police that will have to monitor those
series as they do each and every year as it
stands right now. Yeah, but I mean I don't want
to play I don't want to play the Yankees nineteen times.
Come on, man, No, but think, but think about what
where you came from. Right, we're just a few years

(31:15):
removed from that, Right, that unbalanced schedule that everybody hated,
especially in the say the Al East, how terrible that
was because you'd say, well, what are the Rays doing?

Speaker 4 (31:27):
They've got nothing.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
No, No, they were still winning ninety games a year,
and they were a perennial thorn in the side. And
occasionally you'd have the Orioles be good for a year.
We'll see if they can find any continuity with this
young core.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
They have now.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
But all of that to say, yeah, I mean, trying
to figure out what the competitive balances is certainly something
they've got to be taxed with, and trying to figure
out the economics of it is a big part of it.
Normally we try to distance ourselves what's on the field,
what's not. There's no way to do that. It's like
watching college football, all right, we start saying, well, what
what are the top twenty teams.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Who spends the most? Just put those on the board.
Just let's just do it.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Same thing with Major League Baseball nine times out of
ten unless the injury bug and that voodoo thing you
were doing earlier starts showing up in spades. But when
we're looking at it going forward, yeah, I would be concerned,
and I would certainly be lobbying if I'm if I'm
the Cohen, if I'm Sternsy and all the guys getting
in the room and saying Look, this is not good

(32:27):
for baseball because what you're gonna put all the haves
in one division to fight it out and someone else
gets a free pass because they happen to be twenty
million dollars bigger spenders than everybody else that's dragging their feet. No,
I mean, that's one of the big thresholds they have
to cross. But since we've changed everything else in baseball,
why not draw, you know, out of a hat or
a bingo tumbler.

Speaker 4 (32:48):
Exit out about a Fresco exit swallen? Does they go?
That's what's to.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
Be afraid of as a baseball fan. Time out to
find out what's trending in the wide world of sports.
I'm someone who's been called the rob Manfred of Fox
Sports Radio. Oh wow, it's her goal in life to
give a hunk of medal to somebody important. Except instead
of a hunk of medal, it's a Dodgers bobblehead.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
It's Monty blagyas.

Speaker 8 (33:09):
No, now you're negative five el Robow.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
Come on, Jason, Well, we have a lot of power
and you get paid a lot of money.

Speaker 8 (33:18):
I mean, I guess, but man, you are the dumbest
commissioner out there.

Speaker 4 (33:23):
No, no. Wow else, Look at that, Hey, Batman, you
moved up the list.

Speaker 8 (33:28):
Yeah, this guy. No, I'm always gonna hate uh Rob
Manfred because of twenty seventeen, just the way he handled
that cheating. I'm never gonna forget him. So anyway, we'll
move on here to baseball guys. Extra innings between the
Yankees and the Rays. It's the bottom of the tenth.
The Rays still have all of their outs and they
have a man on second and third. The Yankees managed

(33:50):
to extend their lead in the tenth inning. First it
was Jehan Carlos Stan with a two run shot than
Austin Wells homeward for the second time in this game.
So Yankees up six to four of the tenth inning,
but again the Race have all their outs. Here. The
A's have taken the lead also in the tenth inning
against the Twins in Minnesota. It's now four to two
top of the tenth. The Rangers have taken the lead
from the Royals six to three. Bottom of the ninth inning.

(34:11):
About to start in Kansas City, Reds and Angels tied
at one apiece after four Indians Padres are shutting out
the Giants at home three zero bottom of the third inning,
and it has been all Rockies so far against the
Dodgers in Colorado. Shoheo Twani started things off on the
mound for the Dodgers. He pitched five innings, gave up
nine hits and five earned runs. It's six to one

(34:33):
bottom of the eighth inning about to start in Colorado.
What happened earlier today? While the Nationals top the Mets
five to four and the Cubs held on four to
three against the Brewers and the Marlins, if he did
the Cardinals six to two, Kyle Schwarber home run number
forty five of the season. He leads the National League
now with that one, as the Phillies completed a three
game sweep of the Mariners, coming out on top at
eleven to two. In NFL news, the Chiefs are sending

(34:54):
wide receiver Sky Moore to the forty nine Ers. The
teams are going to swap six and seventh round picks
in twenty twenty seven. The forty nine Ers need another
running back or another wide receiver or two because the
league has suspended their wide receiver DeMarcus Robinson for the
first three games of the regular season for violating the
league's substance abuse policy. The Vikings traded defensive tackle Harrison
Phillips and the and the seventh round pick to the

(35:16):
Jets for two six round picks, and the Broncos are
sending wide receiver Devon Bailey to the Saints.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Back to you guys, thank you very much, mam. Yes, James,
no want.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I want that big hunk of metal Key k Hernandez
Bobble had come in my way in about a week
or so.

Speaker 4 (35:36):
I want. Yeah, well he's also coming back once you
let's go. He is coming back. Yes, yes, I know. Excited.

Speaker 5 (35:43):
Coming up next, we got the play of the day
and a bold prediction that really, when you think about it,
ain't quite that bowl.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
That's next right here, Jason and Mike.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
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Speaker 1 (36:04):
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Speaker 4 (36:12):
All right.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
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(36:38):
a guy that hits a home run every single day
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guess what you get.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
To be the play of the day?

Speaker 1 (36:47):
Uh?

Speaker 6 (36:47):
Pitch to Schwarberg, swung on hit high deep right field,
back at the wall and looking up and.

Speaker 7 (36:54):
That is gone, just cleared over the railing first row
and Kyle Schwarber with home run number forty five.

Speaker 4 (37:03):
There it is Phillies Radio Network on the call.

Speaker 5 (37:06):
Kyle Schwarber now his forty fifth home run of the year.
He has one hundred and nine RBIs right now, Yeah,
nead major League Baseball and I got news for you, right,
I know this? Hey, Yeah, he's always kind of been
a guy on the periphery. He's been someone that's had
a really good career. And look, Schwarber's been a guy

(37:26):
that's been a fan favorite for a long time.

Speaker 4 (37:30):
But this is a guy hitting at the top.

Speaker 5 (37:32):
Of the lineup. You know second, now, you know behind
Trey Turns leading off last year another home run five
RBI tonight. Kyle Schwarber is your National League MVP. And
not only that, it's not particularly close unless you just
want to be on the show Heyo Tani bandwagon, or
you still think that at some point Pete Crow Armstrong

(37:53):
is going to get a hit again. You know, Schwarber's
a guy, he leads a national league in homage. Yes,
it's a big wrestling match between him and Otani, but
he's got one hundred and nine RBI, right, I mean,
Otani isn't even within shouting distance of Schwarber.

Speaker 4 (38:08):
There. The Phillies are in first place.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
His war, he's got a war of four, his ops
is near a thousand. I don't know that this isn't
one of those years where you have to really sit
back and say, you know, I really would love to
give it to Otani.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Coud you want to give him reward, right, But if you're.

Speaker 5 (38:25):
Looking at who the MVP is and here are the
Phillies at the top of the NL East, it's not
Bryce Harper, right like it is not Bryce Harper.

Speaker 4 (38:33):
He's been hurt this year.

Speaker 5 (38:34):
Kyle Schwarber has been absolutely carrying the Phillies, and it
seems like it's his time. Yes, you have the big
All Star Game performance, which, even though it's not gonna
count in the scoreboard, people are gonna think about that
in their minds. This seems to be Kyle Schwarber's year.
But right now you talk about MVP, I don't know
that it's particularly close with anybody else in the National League.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well, the beauty of it all is we've got a
couple of things at work right now. Number one, he
is in a contract year. Yes, as of right now,
Kyle Schwarber is I don't know Michaeh Parsons or one
of these guys playing out the last year of a
contract and dominate Hi Michah with his forty fifth Today

(39:19):
we've talked about it fifteen plus series now and putting
up crazy numbers. He is currently anywhere from plus thirteen
hundred two plus two thousand, i e. A five percent
chance to win the award with Joe Amntani still your

(39:41):
prohibbit favorite.

Speaker 4 (39:42):
Well, our buddy Ben.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Look, Ben and those guys are going to Vegas, should
throw a couple of bucks, take your ten bucks, make
you make yourself some money.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Uh, if you believe that Schwarber is gonna win out.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
All I can see is I keep thinking like Hugh
Jackman in in le Mesera, bring him home, what Kyle
Tucker in his hand and whatever's going on away, bringing
Schwarber back to Wrigley.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
As much as I'd hate to watch the Cubs uh
with a guy that great.

Speaker 5 (40:10):
He's got, he's got the notoriety, he has the wherewithal
behind him. His home runs are front page news every
single day. Another home run for Schwarber. Just the fact
that he's so consistent right all the different series as
you mentioned he's had with home runs.

Speaker 4 (40:24):
I mean this.

Speaker 5 (40:25):
I know you can cut up and say, well, if
you want to get to analytics and his batting average, No,
I'm sorry, forty five one oh nine. Your team's in
first place. You're carrying that team. Yeah, I'm gonna give you.
I'm gonna give Kyle schwarberd the MVP, and maybe I
am gonna give some of those guys some money to
put on.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
But then he's losing in batting average, but he's almost
at him with everything else.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
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