September 16, 2025 • 35 mins
Jason and Mike break down the impact of Joe Burrow's injury. The guys give their thoughts on the state of the Texans after their loss on Monday night. Could the Chiefs be at the bottom of the league after the first third of the season? Plus, the guys debate if Daniel Jones and the Colts are the real deal.
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
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more on the Khalil Mack injury that really bad a
few moments ago. Potential dislocated elbow. Uh not for the squeamish.
If you don't like to see stuff like that, do
not watch the Yeah, trust me, you don't need to
(01:12):
see it. It is. It's there if you want to,
but you don't need to see it again. We'll get
an official update later on. But wow, that certainly is
what it looked like. Now before you can do a
big injury. I want to say this because I got
I got to give Steve de Sager a lot of
credit here because he found this really, really quickly. So
I told you the story a few minutes ago. We
talked about the big play in the NFL yesterday, the
recovered kickoff for a touchdown by the Seahawks. J Yeah,
(01:37):
I'm not gonna recover this well again, near and dear
to my heart because uh, freshman year of football, I
recovered a fumble just like that because the returner didn't
know you had to grab it. Thought it like a punt.
You could if it went to the end zone, it
would doubt it. Now this is of you, No I
wish now, this is This is back when the rule
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was until they changed it a couple of years ago,
where it was anything ten yards down the team can get. Now,
obviously with the way the rules of change, you got
the zone. The zone. That's why you have the you know,
that's why ten yards is the on side kick, and
nobody knew the rule. And I knew it because I said,
because I had seen it not too long before in
the Giants game. Remember they played the Rams and Film
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McConkie either grabbed it the one enrolled in the end
zone or recovered it in the end zone, and so
I knew the rule. So when I saw that play yesterday,
I was like, oh man, I'm thinking back my glory
days Frenchman year, and I think, if only I had
let the ball roll into the end zone or push
it in the en zone recover, we had a touchdown, right,
never had a touchdown. I played defense in high school,
so I remember there was such a big deal. Steve
(02:39):
Disager found the game on YouTube. It was the opening
kickoff of the game and it was Film McConkie who
knew the rule and ran down. Ball was landed at
the five, bounced over the returners, headed into the end zone.
Now the ball bounced the five yard line that goes
to the end zone. That's a live ball. McConkie recovers
it for a touchdown. And here is the play by play.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Giants at three and one and the Rams at two
and two, and we're under weigh and Anaheim coming down
to the fireside and fumbled into the end zone and
falling on by one of the Giants, and that is
a touchdown. He touched the ball in the field of play,
did aj Jones let it go into the end zone
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and the Giants got on it for a touchdown. Bill
mccauckey number eighty a little man.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
From Maybe I couldn't believe that, Dick mean either.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
He must totally unaware Frank of what he did.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
You cannot need it.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You cannot touch the ball, then allow it going to
the endzone without down eating yourself.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Steve A way to go since Vin Scully on the call,
an old slow roller down. Oh it gets by the returner.
Here comes Night in the Mets win.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I think there was Frank Leeber and Dick Vermeal.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You did for Meal on the call. It sounded like
it sounded like Ben in the beginning, Like the first
couple of these are Wow, it's kind of sound because
you get that. Vin's voice was a lot higher on
on audio videotape from the eighties.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
People don't remember. Around nineteen eighty, Vince Gully was the
voice of CBS before Pat summerl.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
He was doing NFA, he was doing Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
He did the NFC championship game when Vermil's Eagles went
to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. I can't believe you
found that that fast. He's a wizard.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I'm the Internet. It's an amazing wow.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That's I mean. And the whole game is on there.
I mean, I got that.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
So let me say to anyone who has old games
on vhs, please put them online. That was awesome to
hear and great to see. It was fun and they
had the full game on there for just a random
Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Anaheim, does it have all the commercials in it? Because
now I'm really going to go back and.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I just watched the opening kick and then they missed
the extra point right after that, the short extra point back.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Every commercial was a Miller like commercial. That's people don't know.
It was two and a half minutes of light commercial
in between the games.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
And man, that was a lot of extra checks for
x NFL players that didn't make a lot of money
during their playing careers.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Come on, thank you, Steve for let me let me
roll down that glory days there. Me and Phil McConkie.
Now we had, we had the whole time.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
You just keep replaying your play in your head, and
then you're like, I could see you scanning the virtual
world for were there any girls I knew?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
When? No? Honestly, okay, that's the second thought. But the
first thought is all when I think about that play
of someone, I go, I wish I just either and
I forget if it stopped rolling, because I could have
just pushed it and tapped it into the end zone
and had a touchdown. I really that's what I think about,
more like, you know, I made a great play, but
I could have been better. You could have had it
so close.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
That's all right, you you gave them their only opportunity
to score all.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Day, you know. I also I also made a play
very similar to Ya Tittle in nineteen fifty one, week four, Steve,
forget what find that one?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Kenya?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Okay, no television back.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I start drawing pictures of Ya Tittle over there, Steve,
that's what he's trying to do.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think it was against the Browns.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Get the AI animator going there?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You go? Uh so again, we'll have more from the
Monday night game. The second Monday Night game, the Chargers
lead at ten to six, eight go to in the
second quarter. So big news today, Big injury news today.
Joe Burrow out for what could wind up being the
rest of the season after a turf toe injury requiring surgery.
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The time frame for this is about three months. And
this is if everything goes perfect, Joe Burrow could come
back with maybe a couple of weeks left in the
regular season. Now this is maybe you watch Jake Brown
and come off the bench yesterday and win the game.
Bengals go to two and zero, and now this week
they get a Vikings team that's gonna have Carson Wentz
at quarterbacks. So that fortuitous scheduling. The Bengals keep rolling.
(06:39):
Seven's on it. But this is now the thing for
Joe Burrow. This is and it sucks because he's one
of the most exciting quarterbacks in the game. But quite honestly,
now if you're the Bengals you sign him that big contract,
you have to understand and this is this is the comparison.
This is who Joe Burrow is. Joe Burrow is the
Anthony Davis the NFL, as talented as he is, as
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good as he is, you know, at some point he's
going to get hurt during the season. This is now
going to be the third season where he has lost
the majority of it to an injury of his six
year career, right, And it's happens too many times now
to say, well, this is again every other year he
gets hurt and that you have to have the same
outlook for Joe Burrow. If you're the Bengals that the
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Lakers and now the Mavericks do for Anthony Davis. You
know he's going to get hurt. You just have to
hope that the injury is going to come at a
time where it's not fatal for your team, where it's
not boy, he's out for the rest of the season.
You have to hope it's a point where he is
at where maybe he only misses a couple of games,
maybe he misses a month, maybe it's an advantageous part
of the schedule. He has time enough to come back
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for the postseason. But you know he's going to be hurt.
It's some guys their bodies just can't take the riggers
in the pounding of the NFL and three multi season
injuries later, for that's kind of who he is. It
sucks that he's injury prone, but it's happened too many
times now, so and ne're the Bengals. This is about
as close to fatal as it gets for a football
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term for the season because he's gonna miss the rest
of the way. Right, you're at at the at best.
And look, and the Bengals are a decent team. They
have again advantageous schedule. They win next week, they're three
to zero. We watched Brown and come off the bench
a couple of years ago and play okay enough where
he kind of kept the Bengals around five hundred. Right, Okay,
but that's that's the best you can hope for.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
If you're the Bengals, we can have a five hundred
type season and maybe make a run at a wildcard
because you're not catching the Ravens, right, You're not gonna
You're not gonna be a team that runs away with
a division. This is now. Maybe we can stay alive
for a wild card and if everything goes right for
Joe Burrow, he can come back for the last three
games of the season, a couple of games, maybe he's healthy.
(08:49):
Maybe that's what it is. But that's really how you
have to look at every year and the Bengals have
a great backup and players got a great backup system
in place. Hey Browning coming in, Okay, that's great. He
can come in, he can play and so but you
have to you have to build in that you know
he's likely going to miss time for injury and that's
just the way it is. Again, he's the Anthony Davis
of the NFL. Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Immediately begets the other conversation about being top heavy and
spending all money on wide receivers and having to run
for your life behind a bad offensive line, things we've
talked about for years ad nauseum. I like that he
advocated for his guys, but also recognize in roster construction
where you have those issues. Now for those that are unaware,
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because turf tow doesn't sound like much right now, we're
talking about levels and needing and getting in for a
quick surgery means it's a lot of pain. I know
that's been discussed a lot with former players of our right.
Which of the seemingly bogus injuries that you had was
the worst, And turf toe gets cited often so spraying
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of this soft tissue around the base of the big toe.
Hyper extension, and then we get into the degree severity
and how much pressure you could put on. Can you
play through the pain and whatever? In this case it
requires surgery. So out he goes. Browning leads them on
a ninety two yard drive down the stretch. So if
you're in those Jacksonville meeting rooms, you had this game
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backup quarterback, you got them three times early and then
he's able to or engineer a ninety two yard drive
to conistage.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Come on, it's not like Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence
are yelling at each other. Come on, man, Oh wait, sorry, sorry,
a lot.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Of young quarterbacks waving off their coaches this week in
the National Football League, and that one being the most egregious,
but a game that they had and they gave away.
So the Bengals steal one here, and it'll be curious
to watch as you go forward. I mean, yoshiavash becomes
a guy that you start looking at on the waiver
wire because he'd been working with Browning a little bit.
Jamar Chase clearly suffered no ill effects in the high
(10:46):
time twenty eight passes yesterday exactly well, but just saying
normally like this guy's gonna go out there and keep winging.
It is the point, right, It's not suddenly there're gonna
be a shrinking violet offense where you don't have a
guy that has the ability to stretch and utilize your playmakers.
It's not like you're gonna play the Jaguars every game,
but the fact that he came in and immediately started
(11:09):
firing at all cylinders. You're gonna take your shots, the
good and the bad, but you're feeling like you're in
a pretty good spot there offensively. To keep it rolling
to your point about the injuries, you know, the old
I hate to say, I told you so, going back
to those poor Bengals fans walking out all happy and
smiley after losing to the Rams in the Super Bowl.
We're gonna get back there, that's no problem. Football don't
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work that way. And now you're you're looking at a
year over year of all right, you got to make
sure you got that room back up room in order,
and now you've got to go tighten up the other
parts of the operations because there is a decided drop off.
I don't care what Browning did in one game, you're
not getting the Joe Burrow that we've seen as a
(11:51):
wizard on the field in these other seasons. So you're
gonna have to shore things up. And I think your GM,
your ownership, it's now become imperative of trying to make
sure you've got a more well rounded, deeper ball club.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And you know, and it's not like when Browning came
in all of a sudden he was tearing it up.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
No, No, he's struggled literally, but he.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Was able to move the team well enough. Look, Cincinnati
is talented, and they're talented enough with weapons. Hey, they
can make a wild card like this is not this
doesn't end the season. Brown You're okay. This now makes
you think, okay, can we stay afloat and hope that
he comes back? Right, And you're hoping, hoping up kind
of like a couple of years ago when Rogers tore
his achilles and the Jets, I all stay in it.
(12:33):
Maybe by December I'll come back because he had that
fusion surgery and oh well he said he was coming
back returned. Like that's kind of where you're at. A
fear of the Bengals, right, Hey, stay afloat, Maybe we
still have a big season. We still have a talented team.
The division isn't that great. The Steelers clearly aren't that good.
The Browns are terrible. So maybe maybe maybe, but but
it's not like Browning is someone who's gonna come into
hey three four touchdowns a week. That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
No.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
It's funny though, Like remember that Aaron Rodgers talk though
of whatever healing brought. This is like I want that documentary.
What kind of mystics was he going to do that?
There was even that talk.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You know what, when when a guy gets hurt the
first time, it's it's the old rule. And this is
this is one of the one of the NFL rules
that doesn't change regardless is to to how you subscribe
to things. Is guy gets hurt the first time, you
look forward to him coming back. Guy gets hurt a
second time, missing a lot of time, and you say, okay,
what's he gonna be like when he gets back, guy
gets hurt a third time, it's okay, whatever he brings
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us now the rest of his career as a bonus,
because he can't say. But when it's a quarterback, it's different.
It's different because he's your He is your franchise, and
he is a guy you paid a lot of money too.
He's not someone he's not a defensive tackle you can
move on from. Gonna go boy, the guy so talented,
but just every other year we wind up not having
him for the vast majority of the season. It's much
different for Joe Burrow, and that's why you have to
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build in. Just like when you have a d when
you have Hey, you got to build in. These guys
are gonna get hurt and you just have to figure
out away when it does. Joell embiid same thing. He's
gonna get hurt. Just have to hope that it's not
that bad the time away that they he can get back,
stay healthy the rest of the way and he avoids
injury the rest of the season. That's kind of where
you're out for Joe Burrow and that's unfortunately going to
be the rest of his career. How you think about it.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
With the Bengal number of leg injuries, go back to
twenty twenty three where he had that wrist injury that
impacted him. So certainly it becomes one of those great
medical charts or the wacky doctors game operation, depending on
which way you want to go as to which part
of his body is lighting up on the board right now.
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Speaker 1 (16:04):
Update from the Monday night Football Nightcap. Quentin Johnson has
caught just one pass tonight for the Chargers. Here's the thing.
I think the Charges are okay with that?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Why because this is the pass that Quentin Johnston just
caught from Justin Hie.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And they run four.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Herbert has all day in the pocket, takes a shutdown
field too wide open, caught Quintin justin touchdown Chargers sixty
yard touchdown. Herbert took Q Chargers Radio Network produced by
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sixty yard touchdown pass from Herbert to Quenton Johnson, who
got behind the defender and u a.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Pre release downfield right cornerbacks sucked up on the early
dip and wow.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Uh so now it is a seventeen to six lead,
moope bleeping back for the Chargers over the Raiders. Now, look,
Quentin john This gets into a big thing coming off
of the first Monday Night game tonight. Quentin Johnson was
a high draft pick for the Chargers a couple of
years ago, and he was someone that coming out of
TCU thought was going to be the next dominant wide
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receiver in the game. Had an absolutely awful rookie year
in twenty twenty three. Right, so many drops, so many
bad so many times where he wasn't even on the field,
and it was just you watch him and it's wow.
He was so great at TCU. He was so great.
Hardball shows up last year and a much better season
called fifty five balls, eight touchdowns. Okay, led McConkey showed
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right away, I'm a superstar, but you still need that
number two who's going to be a bit of a threat.
And Quentin Johnson is a terrific number two threat here
on the Chargers. Because again, first catch tonight, sixty yards
and a touchdown. So far off to a nice start.
He called six passes of four passes the first week
for eighty yards. So this is a guy that hey, okay,
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he may never be the big superstar, but he's good
enough number two where you can't just collapse on lad McConkey.
You can't just you know, say, okay, we take him away,
we take away the offense, because look, the Charges are
young at tight end, trying to figure out with Disley
and Ronde Gadson and what kind of weapons do they
have there? And I understand that, but you need that
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number two receiver or be somebody that's a threat, that's
someone that is not just hey, we're just throwing guys
out there, because you see what's going on with the
Jets the first couple of weeks. Hey it's Garrett Wilson
and just a bunch of guys. Right, you don't really
have a number two. You see the Chargers here with
Quenton Johnson, who is again may never be the big star,
but clearly good enough. Is the number two pass catching
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option in Los Angeles. May never be the fantasy guy
people thought they were drafting him a couple of years
ago in Dynasty whatever it was, but he's good enough.
That is exactly what the Texans need right now. You
talked about it earlier about how hey you look at
the big fourth down play they went for it on
fourth down and they're lost with Tampa Bay earlier tonight
and it was Nico Collins or nobody and Collins is
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covered in the back corner of the end zone. There's
nowhere to go. And this Texans offense the last couple
of years has gone from hey, we got a lot
of young emerging guys, right, Nico Collins becoming a star.
Tank Dell was becoming a star, and got Stefan Diggs.
Oh look there, great and slowly what's happened? Well, Nico
Collins is still a star, right, Okay Stevon Diggs, Yeah,
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that didn't work out. Tank Dell can't stay on the field.
You talk about a guy injury prone now gonna miss
all of this year as well. He was as uncoverable
as slot receiver coming into the game as there was.
And now suddenly this Texans offense you saw the first
two weeks, they struggle, right, Like, it's great that Nick
Chubb has come back. He had the big touchdown run tonight.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
But he had struggled before that. Breakout run. Right, yes,
and it all counts just the same.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But yeah, and if if you're the if you're the Texans,
you say, Okay, here's the first two games of the
season and we can't get any of our offense going. Now.
Both defenses they've played have been pretty good. Right, The
Rams defense is fantastic. Tampa Bay's defense is better than
you expect. But this is still a team that outside
of Nico Collins. Now you're trotting out Jayden Higgins and
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guys like that who are young, trying to make trying
to make their mark, and it's all right, you're asking
a little bit too much. And Nico Collins is not
a receiver, as we've said that you can just hey
body him up and throw him a football one on one. Right,
He's not that kind of guy. He's a terrific receiver,
but you need something else out there that the other
team is scared of. Dalton Schultz has become a serviceable
tight end, right, that's kind of what he is.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's not great, he's not going to take over the game.
He's not a Sam Laporta. But you have a lot
of young players you are just trying to make it
work with because either you have injury issues or this
is where we've gone in the draft, and CJ. Stroud
is becoming a quarterback. As good as talented as he is,
he's not someone that makes everybody around him better, right.
You saw that on the other side tonight with Baker Mayfield. CJ.
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Stroud is talented, he's got weapons around him. Boy is
he terrific. But it's kind of been a little bit
of a two year decline for Stroud as you see
his weapons getting injured. This is where he is now
at the offense. The offense fourteen points week one, nineteen
points to night, couldn't get a touchdown when they need it. Right,
If you didn't get that big kickoff and that big
punt return down to the twenty yard line, you're probably
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not getting in the end zone against that Tampa Bay defense.
They are a team that needs to make a move
for a wide receiver right away.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, they made that big play.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Gotta make a move.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Well, this is where you start looking, Ay, Miami, how
desperate do you look or some of.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
These so much answer? Very desperate. Yes, we'll trade everyone.
That was my rhetorical. Wow, things are melting. One of
the few teams that can take a little bit of
shine away from Ryan Poles. Hi, Ryan, Hey, can we
play some old tape of me going at the Bears?
Hey winning the offseason? Throw the ball to Dj Moore.
Go get Dj Moore. You just clearly, clearly that's just it.
(21:47):
He's falling out of favorite.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
You can go get one of the tight ends, including
the guy they drafted tenth. They're not bothering to use him.
Let me you go get him while you're at it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Wait, let me look at Colton loveland stature yesterday. Hang on, oh,
zero point zero zero He had as many targets as
I did, yes sitting on my ass anyway for Houston.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
But I mean you go down the list. I mean,
you got nine targets for Collins, three catches fifty two
in a score. Great, you got that early touchdown. Then
you got a couple of running backs. Then you get
a couple of young wide receivers in Hutchinson and Higgins,
a couple of tight ends, and Justin Watson still getting
trotted out like you've got no depth whatsoever. Your offensive line,
which was terrible in twenty twenty four, got worse because
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the only viable options you had there left for other
other sites. So now you're looking at CJ. Stroud, where
two years in a row has been done a disservice
the football gods in the injury world, but also just
from a personnel standpoint. And at this point, he's not
that guy that's elevating, right. He's not making plays with
his legs, he's not extending plays like we saw with
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Baker Mayfield, and he certainly didn't have the touch to
make the throws that were there were those makeable throws
to Nico Collins, both of them, yeah, but he didn't
find the way to put it in the basket. And
Colin Collin's I mean they were difficult passes. But yeah,
but there's not a lot of separation. I got a
lot of separation to work with. There.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
No one else scares you on that team. It's like, okay,
we got to stop me. And clearly he Strouds guy,
and he should Nico Collins trip, but he's not what
He's not one of those guys that's just gonna be.
You can have me and just a bunch of Jags. No,
he needs You need another starchy as we've seen when
it was Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Hey, that was great, right,
Tank Della's.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, absolutely, and then you'd still have Shultz coming across
the middle, uh as a safety valve out of the back,
across the middle, scraping off a block or maybe a
little bit of your running backs out of the backfield
which we haven't seen yet. Now going back to the
Chargers to bookend this whole thing, Quentin Johnston giving you
what Mike Williams once upon a time was for his
eight nine games a year. Right, Remember he was gonna
(23:51):
come back and then he abruptly retires, but giving you
that deep threat and Keenan Allen coming back into that
locker room and into that receiver room is immeasurable in
terms of what that is. Right, we saw the growth
of Johnson year one to year two, and now you've
got the steady hands, reliable target for Justin Herbert. Obviously
their connection that helps you on that route tree and
(24:13):
as we saw, you're trying to pick your poison and
take away some of the short stuff and you get
absolutely torch downfield for that sixty yard touchdown bomb exit
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making phone calls. Who knows Jerry Jones might pick up.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
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Speaker 1 (24:52):
I will have more on Monday Night game coming up
in a few minutes, but just really quick, as we
talked about last hour, a little bit with Jason Locke
for about where we sit now with the Kancity Chiefs
being zero and two, And look, I know many people
thought the Chiefs are gonna win on Sunday just because
they're the Chiefs. They don't start it on towo they're
the Chiefs. No, things are different. Right when I picked
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the other like, I thought Jalen Hurts to have a
bigger game, but it didn't matter. They still wound up winning.
And the Chiefs look like they have a lot of problems.
So to spin this forward, right, Like I've said, they're
gonna finish third in the AFC West. You look at
their schedule the next month. Like I said last week, hey,
two and four is about what you could expect. But
one in five is not off the table, all right, Now,
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that's how bad things are, like one in a one
in five start is not off the table. For the Chiefs,
two and four might be the best they could hope
for because you look at it's really loaded up now.
If things do get easier later on, and that's when
they'll get Rashid Rice back and in theory against Xavier
Worthy back. But you know how many losses can you
have to start the season before you think, oh, we're
just gonna run the table. We're gonna come back and
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run the ten run the table again. All these teams
that are that are better than you now are younger
and more all of these things I say, younger, more athletic,
more dynamic, The roster is deeper, they're more talented. This
is what it just happens in the NFL. Not anything wrong,
it's just eventually it's gonna happen. And this is the
year again. I'm stock up on my homes because it
seems to be trying to do everything. You know, maybe
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he runs for a thousand yards this year, but stock
up on mahomes, stock down on the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, look, at some point he's actually gonna hit on
one of these deep crossers, isn't he? Is it always
gonna fall harmlessly? Incomplete? Because that's that's one of the
things that I don't think being spoken about enough. There
have been points on the board. They're just not executing right.
It's one thing to like, we're talking about Houston and
you can't figure it out and there's you're bottled up.
(26:42):
It's like here, it's the timing. Whatever's going on with Kelsey.
That's back to back weeks of absolute failures. But the
defense showed up in this one. A lot of controversy,
the tush push, we noticed. We didn't spend a lot
of time talking about that. We'll let the internet lawyers
take care of all of that and going fight and
fight about that. I'm not referring to one lawyer in particular,
(27:03):
for those of you out there, just in general, people
going you know, hey, here's the line, and for what
I gather they might actually be going through and fighting
with people and putting up copyright claims the NFL in
terms of that video, making the round about the false
starts and whatever. So that's kind of fun in terms
of that process. But when we're looking for dynamic players
right now, they don't have them. Eventually, the as you say,
(27:26):
the Speedsters will come back and maybe you can stretch
the offense a bit and get some semblance of balance.
But the running back situation, as we're talking about there,
Chicago other places tenuous. You got the Giants this week,
they'll at least go come out throwing. Whether they're Russell
Wilson's efficient again, we don't know. Then you've got the
Ravens in a big Sunday afternoon affair. Then you got
(27:49):
the Jaguars, then you got the Lions who won in one.
Bears are terrible, so we take it with a grain
of salt, but the explosiveness is still kind of there
where you get to the raiders and commanders. So you
got some opportunity out there. You're help by the fact
and you got to use every bit of leverage that
you can in this situation. See what I did there.
As the Broncos had that loss yesterday to Danny Dimes,
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and Company off the leverage play, so that that offers
a little bit of support, Yeah to Chiefs Kingdom, at
least for a moment.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Look, look, it's not like things are going to be
awful thing.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Look Jason lock and Ford had a great point last hour.
He said, ah, you know, yes, I agree with you.
This is a bad year. But is it a year
where then they restock after this year and they figure, yeah,
absolutely right. It's not tool recalibration. You say teams are younger,
more athletic, deeper rosters. You need that year to kind
of fall off the track to say, okay, now we
need to get better. Right, because you're coming off the
Super you're still coming off the Super Bowl. You still
(28:44):
think we have the guys to get there. You sometimes
you need that reality check to say, okay, now we
need to go and rebuild and do things a different way.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Yeah, it's the question. And you're a bit older. You
talk about the defensive line and you know that half
step is everything between getting to the quarterback back and
causing tremendous pressure versus all right, you made a nice
run and the guy's still able to deliver it from
a clean pocket. So we're watching that transpire a little bit.
We'll see how creative Spagnolo gets as this season goes on.
(29:13):
But offensively, just watching the first two weeks, the number
of opportunities that have been out there that they're just
not connecting, like guys breaking clear into the secondary and
mahomes just misfiring. Yeah, I mean, look when the weapons
come back, if they come back, if they get all
these guys on the field the same time, hey, everything,
I'll be okay. But again, it's all it's all theoretically,
(29:33):
you get all these guys on the field the same time,
and this hasn't happened. It's all in theory.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Now.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
The fact of the matter is in the AFC. How
many teams are gonna run away and hide? Right? You
got you got? The Ravens are really good, and then
everybody else kind of well, I don't know. The Chargers
might be up there with them if they continue to
throttle the Raiders here. But but otherwise, you've got a
conference that's fairly fairly open, so you can hang around
and be just dangerous. And then if you give me
(30:00):
my druthers when it's winning time. Fifteen and old, the
Walrusts are still very formidable.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
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Speaker 5 (30:24):
Is it my guy?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I am his whisperer? Oh no, I'm the opposite of whispering.
Well for that opposite, you just got to shout it.
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Speaker 5 (31:05):
Just rolled off my tongue.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
It rolls off your tongue really well. Early in the
second half, Chargers with the football, driving seventeen to six
lead over the Raiders. We'll have more on that game
coming up in a few minutes, but at this point,
I'm the Danny Dimes whisperer, Like I'm the Daniel Jobs.
I told you from the beginning of the offseason, he's
gonna win this I mean, going back to when they
signed him, He's gonna win this job. They brought him
(31:27):
in for a reason. You don't give him one year
and fifteen million to come in and back up Anthony Richardson.
He's got a lot of weapons, same thing I've been
saying the entire time. Now it's like, wait, Jason really
knows he's talking about. He's the Danny Dimes whisper They
have a lot of weapons. He will get the football
to them, and they are very underrated. They fix their
defense as much as you can in the offseason, and
it's not great. But I told you they were going
to win on Sunday. Yes, you needed a bit of
(31:49):
a tricker ration at the end with a leaping penalty
in all and a vaulting penalty to get that field
goal out there. But Danny Dimes comes through again and
he does exactly what the Colts want to do. Execute
the offense. Run a little bit when you need to
be Josh Allen light and it's kind of a very
light Josh Allen, but still he's Josh Allen Light And
(32:10):
each week what has he seen? Warren's become a pretty
big weapon. Josh downs most talented receiver on the team.
Not a great Week one, much better Week two. Ran
the football extremely well. You forget about the fact that,
oh yeah, yeah, one of the best running backs in
the NFL. Because it's Indianapolis, they have all kinds of weapons,
and here they are at two and zero and suddenly
(32:30):
Danny Dimes I told you on Monday Night will be
talking about Danny Dimes being the fantasy darling, everybody believing him.
And now how far can the Colts go. There's a
reason why I gave you the Colts as my long
shot super Bowl team. In the offseason, they were like
plus six thousand, anywhere from plus six to plus ten thousand.
Daniel Jones coming in this offense, it fits with what
they wanted to do. The good times will continue for
(32:53):
him because he's got great weapons around. You're not asked,
don't do it all by yourself. They're asking him, just
do what you're doing here, and clearly with each passing day,
Anthony Richardson's going to be an ex Indianapolis call at
some point soon.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Yeah. You look at what they've been able to do
and the roster assembled, I picked them to win the
division and with the expectations potentially of something bigger based
on that roster depth and continuity of the fact that
you got Carly Ursa Gordon on the sidelines with the headset.
Maybe she's chiming in on plays as well, but you know,
you're looking at a guy back when he was healthy,
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and that's been one of the big things for Daniel Jones.
Is he gonna set the world on fire and throw
for forty five hundred yards and thirty touchdowns. No he's not.
But you go back to when he was most effective
with the Giants. He completed two thirds of his past attempts.
It was about a three to one touchdown to interception ratio.
And if you had some balance back when Barkley was healthy,
you got production. And now you got a guy in
(33:46):
Jonathan Taylor as a runner and receiver. You see how
good he is. You got Gibtinson as his backup, who
showed out well in Week one and that blowout win
over Miami. But a guy that they'll mix in over
the course of the year after the right tight end
Hi Ryan Tyler Warren, who's a playmaker and a problem
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in the secondary. All those other wide receivers that we've
enumerated through time. Yeah, they're well positioned to go and
run away and hide in this division. And they put
up nearly five hundred total yards of offense. And what
I was told was supposed to be an all world
Denver defense. I was told, Hey, Sean Payton and the
Brontos were gonna run rough shot on anybody.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Hi stub their toe on this. I had the Colts
win in the game. Look, Daniel Jones, you're right, Daniel Jones.
Can he throw it between twenty and twenty five touchdowns?
All you're looking for him to get run for ten
to twelve one, and all of a sudden you get
that whoa, whoa, whoa, Wait that shit. Stay upright, don't
get hurt, run, don't turn the ball over, right, don't
turn them But he can do all of those things
he can do with the right weapons around him. And
(34:49):
again this is a deep offense. I don't know why
other quarterbacks didn't say, get me there. I can beat
out Anthony Richardson. This guy, he's not been able to
stay healthy, he's not been able to have the stem
to play in a full game. He takes himself out like,
get me there. I can't believe there weren't more players
wanting to get there knowing I can take that job.
Look at all these be fair?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I gotta think Ballard's being looked at a little bit
differently with the new ownership, right, and after the passing
of her say of all right, are we gonna get
this right? Because how many times did he take a
bite at the apple with someone a bit long in
the tooth before going the opposite way with Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Exit about a Fresca exit swelling Dome. I am the
Danny Dimes whisperer. He did it? That guy coming up next?
One team threatened to make the night cap and Monday
Night Football a blowout. Plus, oh boy, do I need
to apologize for the one team has played so far
this season? I hate you, and it's not the just
your fault.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
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more on the Khalil Mack injury that really bad a
few moments ago. Potential dislocated elbow. Uh not for the squeamish.
If you don't like to see stuff like that, do
not watch the Yeah, trust me, you don't need to
(01:12):
see it. It is. It's there if you want to,
but you don't need to see it again. We'll get
an official update later on. But wow, that certainly is
what it looked like. Now before you can do a
big injury. I want to say this because I got
I got to give Steve de Sager a lot of
credit here because he found this really, really quickly. So
I told you the story a few minutes ago. We
talked about the big play in the NFL yesterday, the
recovered kickoff for a touchdown by the Seahawks. J Yeah,
(01:37):
I'm not gonna recover this well again, near and dear
to my heart because uh, freshman year of football, I
recovered a fumble just like that because the returner didn't
know you had to grab it. Thought it like a punt.
You could if it went to the end zone, it
would doubt it. Now this is of you, No I
wish now, this is This is back when the rule
(01:57):
was until they changed it a couple of years ago,
where it was anything ten yards down the team can get. Now,
obviously with the way the rules of change, you got
the zone. The zone. That's why you have the you know,
that's why ten yards is the on side kick, and
nobody knew the rule. And I knew it because I said,
because I had seen it not too long before in
the Giants game. Remember they played the Rams and Film
(02:18):
McConkie either grabbed it the one enrolled in the end
zone or recovered it in the end zone, and so
I knew the rule. So when I saw that play yesterday,
I was like, oh man, I'm thinking back my glory
days Frenchman year, and I think, if only I had
let the ball roll into the end zone or push
it in the en zone recover, we had a touchdown, right,
never had a touchdown. I played defense in high school,
so I remember there was such a big deal. Steve
(02:39):
Disager found the game on YouTube. It was the opening
kickoff of the game and it was Film McConkie who
knew the rule and ran down. Ball was landed at
the five, bounced over the returners, headed into the end zone.
Now the ball bounced the five yard line that goes
to the end zone. That's a live ball. McConkie recovers
it for a touchdown. And here is the play by play.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
Giants at three and one and the Rams at two
and two, and we're under weigh and Anaheim coming down
to the fireside and fumbled into the end zone and
falling on by one of the Giants, and that is
a touchdown. He touched the ball in the field of play,
did aj Jones let it go into the end zone
(03:22):
and the Giants got on it for a touchdown. Bill
mccauckey number eighty a little man.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
From Maybe I couldn't believe that, Dick mean either.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
He must totally unaware Frank of what he did.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
You cannot need it.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
You cannot touch the ball, then allow it going to
the endzone without down eating yourself.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Steve A way to go since Vin Scully on the call,
an old slow roller down. Oh it gets by the returner.
Here comes Night in the Mets win.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
I think there was Frank Leeber and Dick Vermeal.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
You did for Meal on the call. It sounded like
it sounded like Ben in the beginning, Like the first
couple of these are Wow, it's kind of sound because
you get that. Vin's voice was a lot higher on
on audio videotape from the eighties.
Speaker 4 (04:04):
People don't remember. Around nineteen eighty, Vince Gully was the
voice of CBS before Pat summerl.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
He was doing NFA, he was doing Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
He did the NFC championship game when Vermil's Eagles went
to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. I can't believe you
found that that fast. He's a wizard.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
I'm the Internet. It's an amazing wow.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
That's I mean. And the whole game is on there.
I mean, I got that.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
So let me say to anyone who has old games
on vhs, please put them online. That was awesome to
hear and great to see. It was fun and they
had the full game on there for just a random
Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Anaheim, does it have all the commercials in it? Because
now I'm really going to go back and.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
I just watched the opening kick and then they missed
the extra point right after that, the short extra point back.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Every commercial was a Miller like commercial. That's people don't know.
It was two and a half minutes of light commercial
in between the games.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
And man, that was a lot of extra checks for
x NFL players that didn't make a lot of money
during their playing careers.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
Come on, thank you, Steve for let me let me
roll down that glory days there. Me and Phil McConkie.
Now we had, we had the whole time.
Speaker 5 (05:05):
You just keep replaying your play in your head, and
then you're like, I could see you scanning the virtual
world for were there any girls I knew?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
When? No? Honestly, okay, that's the second thought. But the
first thought is all when I think about that play
of someone, I go, I wish I just either and
I forget if it stopped rolling, because I could have
just pushed it and tapped it into the end zone
and had a touchdown. I really that's what I think about,
more like, you know, I made a great play, but
I could have been better. You could have had it
so close.
Speaker 5 (05:32):
That's all right, you you gave them their only opportunity
to score all.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Day, you know. I also I also made a play
very similar to Ya Tittle in nineteen fifty one, week four, Steve,
forget what find that one?
Speaker 5 (05:45):
Kenya?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Okay, no television back.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
I start drawing pictures of Ya Tittle over there, Steve,
that's what he's trying to do.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I think it was against the Browns.
Speaker 5 (05:54):
Get the AI animator going there?
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You go? Uh so again, we'll have more from the
Monday night game. The second Monday Night game, the Chargers
lead at ten to six, eight go to in the
second quarter. So big news today, Big injury news today.
Joe Burrow out for what could wind up being the
rest of the season after a turf toe injury requiring surgery.
(06:16):
The time frame for this is about three months. And
this is if everything goes perfect, Joe Burrow could come
back with maybe a couple of weeks left in the
regular season. Now this is maybe you watch Jake Brown
and come off the bench yesterday and win the game.
Bengals go to two and zero, and now this week
they get a Vikings team that's gonna have Carson Wentz
at quarterbacks. So that fortuitous scheduling. The Bengals keep rolling.
(06:39):
Seven's on it. But this is now the thing for
Joe Burrow. This is and it sucks because he's one
of the most exciting quarterbacks in the game. But quite honestly,
now if you're the Bengals you sign him that big contract,
you have to understand and this is this is the comparison.
This is who Joe Burrow is. Joe Burrow is the
Anthony Davis the NFL, as talented as he is, as
(07:03):
good as he is, you know, at some point he's
going to get hurt during the season. This is now
going to be the third season where he has lost
the majority of it to an injury of his six
year career, right, And it's happens too many times now
to say, well, this is again every other year he
gets hurt and that you have to have the same
outlook for Joe Burrow. If you're the Bengals that the
(07:26):
Lakers and now the Mavericks do for Anthony Davis. You
know he's going to get hurt. You just have to
hope that the injury is going to come at a
time where it's not fatal for your team, where it's
not boy, he's out for the rest of the season.
You have to hope it's a point where he is
at where maybe he only misses a couple of games,
maybe he misses a month, maybe it's an advantageous part
of the schedule. He has time enough to come back
(07:47):
for the postseason. But you know he's going to be hurt.
It's some guys their bodies just can't take the riggers
in the pounding of the NFL and three multi season
injuries later, for that's kind of who he is. It
sucks that he's injury prone, but it's happened too many
times now, so and ne're the Bengals. This is about
as close to fatal as it gets for a football
(08:09):
term for the season because he's gonna miss the rest
of the way. Right, you're at at the at best.
And look, and the Bengals are a decent team. They
have again advantageous schedule. They win next week, they're three
to zero. We watched Brown and come off the bench
a couple of years ago and play okay enough where
he kind of kept the Bengals around five hundred. Right, Okay,
but that's that's the best you can hope for.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
If you're the Bengals, we can have a five hundred
type season and maybe make a run at a wildcard
because you're not catching the Ravens, right, You're not gonna
You're not gonna be a team that runs away with
a division. This is now. Maybe we can stay alive
for a wild card and if everything goes right for
Joe Burrow, he can come back for the last three
games of the season, a couple of games, maybe he's healthy.
(08:49):
Maybe that's what it is. But that's really how you
have to look at every year and the Bengals have
a great backup and players got a great backup system
in place. Hey Browning coming in, Okay, that's great. He
can come in, he can play and so but you
have to you have to build in that you know
he's likely going to miss time for injury and that's
just the way it is. Again, he's the Anthony Davis
of the NFL. Yeah, I know it.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
Immediately begets the other conversation about being top heavy and
spending all money on wide receivers and having to run
for your life behind a bad offensive line, things we've
talked about for years ad nauseum. I like that he
advocated for his guys, but also recognize in roster construction
where you have those issues. Now for those that are unaware,
(09:28):
because turf tow doesn't sound like much right now, we're
talking about levels and needing and getting in for a
quick surgery means it's a lot of pain. I know
that's been discussed a lot with former players of our right.
Which of the seemingly bogus injuries that you had was
the worst, And turf toe gets cited often so spraying
(09:51):
of this soft tissue around the base of the big toe.
Hyper extension, and then we get into the degree severity
and how much pressure you could put on. Can you
play through the pain and whatever? In this case it
requires surgery. So out he goes. Browning leads them on
a ninety two yard drive down the stretch. So if
you're in those Jacksonville meeting rooms, you had this game
(10:11):
backup quarterback, you got them three times early and then
he's able to or engineer a ninety two yard drive
to conistage.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Come on, it's not like Liam Cohen and Trevor Lawrence
are yelling at each other. Come on, man, Oh wait, sorry, sorry,
a lot.
Speaker 5 (10:23):
Of young quarterbacks waving off their coaches this week in
the National Football League, and that one being the most egregious,
but a game that they had and they gave away.
So the Bengals steal one here, and it'll be curious
to watch as you go forward. I mean, yoshiavash becomes
a guy that you start looking at on the waiver
wire because he'd been working with Browning a little bit.
Jamar Chase clearly suffered no ill effects in the high
(10:46):
time twenty eight passes yesterday exactly well, but just saying
normally like this guy's gonna go out there and keep winging.
It is the point, right, It's not suddenly there're gonna
be a shrinking violet offense where you don't have a
guy that has the ability to stretch and utilize your playmakers.
It's not like you're gonna play the Jaguars every game,
but the fact that he came in and immediately started
(11:09):
firing at all cylinders. You're gonna take your shots, the
good and the bad, but you're feeling like you're in
a pretty good spot there offensively. To keep it rolling
to your point about the injuries, you know, the old
I hate to say, I told you so, going back
to those poor Bengals fans walking out all happy and
smiley after losing to the Rams in the Super Bowl.
We're gonna get back there, that's no problem. Football don't
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work that way. And now you're you're looking at a
year over year of all right, you got to make
sure you got that room back up room in order,
and now you've got to go tighten up the other
parts of the operations because there is a decided drop off.
I don't care what Browning did in one game, you're
not getting the Joe Burrow that we've seen as a
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wizard on the field in these other seasons. So you're
gonna have to shore things up. And I think your GM,
your ownership, it's now become imperative of trying to make
sure you've got a more well rounded, deeper ball club.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And you know, and it's not like when Browning came
in all of a sudden he was tearing it up.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
No, No, he's struggled literally, but he.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Was able to move the team well enough. Look, Cincinnati
is talented, and they're talented enough with weapons. Hey, they
can make a wild card like this is not this
doesn't end the season. Brown You're okay. This now makes
you think, okay, can we stay afloat and hope that
he comes back? Right, And you're hoping, hoping up kind
of like a couple of years ago when Rogers tore
his achilles and the Jets, I all stay in it.
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Maybe by December I'll come back because he had that
fusion surgery and oh well he said he was coming
back returned. Like that's kind of where you're at. A
fear of the Bengals, right, Hey, stay afloat, Maybe we
still have a big season. We still have a talented team.
The division isn't that great. The Steelers clearly aren't that good.
The Browns are terrible. So maybe maybe maybe, but but
it's not like Browning is someone who's gonna come into
hey three four touchdowns a week. That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
No.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
It's funny though, Like remember that Aaron Rodgers talk though
of whatever healing brought. This is like I want that documentary.
What kind of mystics was he going to do that?
There was even that talk.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
You know what, when when a guy gets hurt the
first time, it's it's the old rule. And this is
this is one of the one of the NFL rules
that doesn't change regardless is to to how you subscribe
to things. Is guy gets hurt the first time, you
look forward to him coming back. Guy gets hurt a
second time, missing a lot of time, and you say, okay,
what's he gonna be like when he gets back, guy
gets hurt a third time, it's okay, whatever he brings
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us now the rest of his career as a bonus,
because he can't say. But when it's a quarterback, it's different.
It's different because he's your He is your franchise, and
he is a guy you paid a lot of money too.
He's not someone he's not a defensive tackle you can
move on from. Gonna go boy, the guy so talented,
but just every other year we wind up not having
him for the vast majority of the season. It's much
different for Joe Burrow, and that's why you have to
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build in. Just like when you have a d when
you have Hey, you got to build in. These guys
are gonna get hurt and you just have to figure
out away when it does. Joell embiid same thing. He's
gonna get hurt. Just have to hope that it's not
that bad the time away that they he can get back,
stay healthy the rest of the way and he avoids
injury the rest of the season. That's kind of where
you're out for Joe Burrow and that's unfortunately going to
be the rest of his career. How you think about it.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
With the Bengal number of leg injuries, go back to
twenty twenty three where he had that wrist injury that
impacted him. So certainly it becomes one of those great
medical charts or the wacky doctors game operation, depending on
which way you want to go as to which part
of his body is lighting up on the board right now.
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Speaker 1 (16:04):
Update from the Monday night Football Nightcap. Quentin Johnson has
caught just one pass tonight for the Chargers. Here's the thing.
I think the Charges are okay with that?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Why because this is the pass that Quentin Johnston just
caught from Justin Hie.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And they run four.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Herbert has all day in the pocket, takes a shutdown
field too wide open, caught Quintin justin touchdown Chargers sixty
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sixty yard touchdown pass from Herbert to Quenton Johnson, who
got behind the defender and u a.
Speaker 5 (16:51):
Pre release downfield right cornerbacks sucked up on the early
dip and wow.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
Uh so now it is a seventeen to six lead,
moope bleeping back for the Chargers over the Raiders. Now, look,
Quentin john This gets into a big thing coming off
of the first Monday Night game tonight. Quentin Johnson was
a high draft pick for the Chargers a couple of
years ago, and he was someone that coming out of
TCU thought was going to be the next dominant wide
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receiver in the game. Had an absolutely awful rookie year
in twenty twenty three. Right, so many drops, so many
bad so many times where he wasn't even on the field,
and it was just you watch him and it's wow.
He was so great at TCU. He was so great.
Hardball shows up last year and a much better season
called fifty five balls, eight touchdowns. Okay, led McConkey showed
(17:41):
right away, I'm a superstar, but you still need that
number two who's going to be a bit of a threat.
And Quentin Johnson is a terrific number two threat here
on the Chargers. Because again, first catch tonight, sixty yards
and a touchdown. So far off to a nice start.
He called six passes of four passes the first week
for eighty yards. So this is a guy that hey, okay,
(18:04):
he may never be the big superstar, but he's good
enough number two where you can't just collapse on lad McConkey.
You can't just you know, say, okay, we take him away,
we take away the offense, because look, the Charges are
young at tight end, trying to figure out with Disley
and Ronde Gadson and what kind of weapons do they
have there? And I understand that, but you need that
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number two receiver or be somebody that's a threat, that's
someone that is not just hey, we're just throwing guys
out there, because you see what's going on with the
Jets the first couple of weeks. Hey it's Garrett Wilson
and just a bunch of guys. Right, you don't really
have a number two. You see the Chargers here with
Quenton Johnson, who is again may never be the big star,
but clearly good enough. Is the number two pass catching
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option in Los Angeles. May never be the fantasy guy
people thought they were drafting him a couple of years
ago in Dynasty whatever it was, but he's good enough.
That is exactly what the Texans need right now. You
talked about it earlier about how hey you look at
the big fourth down play they went for it on
fourth down and they're lost with Tampa Bay earlier tonight
and it was Nico Collins or nobody and Collins is
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covered in the back corner of the end zone. There's
nowhere to go. And this Texans offense the last couple
of years has gone from hey, we got a lot
of young emerging guys, right, Nico Collins becoming a star.
Tank Dell was becoming a star, and got Stefan Diggs.
Oh look there, great and slowly what's happened? Well, Nico
Collins is still a star, right, Okay Stevon Diggs, Yeah,
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that didn't work out. Tank Dell can't stay on the field.
You talk about a guy injury prone now gonna miss
all of this year as well. He was as uncoverable
as slot receiver coming into the game as there was.
And now suddenly this Texans offense you saw the first
two weeks, they struggle, right, Like, it's great that Nick
Chubb has come back. He had the big touchdown run tonight.
Speaker 5 (19:44):
But he had struggled before that. Breakout run. Right, yes,
and it all counts just the same.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
But yeah, and if if you're the if you're the Texans,
you say, Okay, here's the first two games of the
season and we can't get any of our offense going. Now.
Both defenses they've played have been pretty good. Right, The
Rams defense is fantastic. Tampa Bay's defense is better than
you expect. But this is still a team that outside
of Nico Collins. Now you're trotting out Jayden Higgins and
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guys like that who are young, trying to make trying
to make their mark, and it's all right, you're asking
a little bit too much. And Nico Collins is not
a receiver, as we've said that you can just hey
body him up and throw him a football one on one. Right,
He's not that kind of guy. He's a terrific receiver,
but you need something else out there that the other
team is scared of. Dalton Schultz has become a serviceable
tight end, right, that's kind of what he is.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
Now.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's not great, he's not going to take over the game.
He's not a Sam Laporta. But you have a lot
of young players you are just trying to make it
work with because either you have injury issues or this
is where we've gone in the draft, and CJ. Stroud
is becoming a quarterback. As good as talented as he is,
he's not someone that makes everybody around him better, right.
You saw that on the other side tonight with Baker Mayfield. CJ.
(20:53):
Stroud is talented, he's got weapons around him. Boy is
he terrific. But it's kind of been a little bit
of a two year decline for Stroud as you see
his weapons getting injured. This is where he is now
at the offense. The offense fourteen points week one, nineteen
points to night, couldn't get a touchdown when they need it. Right,
If you didn't get that big kickoff and that big
punt return down to the twenty yard line, you're probably
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not getting in the end zone against that Tampa Bay defense.
They are a team that needs to make a move
for a wide receiver right away.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Well, they made that big play.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Gotta make a move.
Speaker 5 (21:22):
Well, this is where you start looking, Ay, Miami, how
desperate do you look or some of.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
These so much answer? Very desperate. Yes, we'll trade everyone.
That was my rhetorical. Wow, things are melting. One of
the few teams that can take a little bit of
shine away from Ryan Poles. Hi, Ryan, Hey, can we
play some old tape of me going at the Bears?
Hey winning the offseason? Throw the ball to Dj Moore.
Go get Dj Moore. You just clearly, clearly that's just it.
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He's falling out of favorite.
Speaker 5 (21:48):
You can go get one of the tight ends, including
the guy they drafted tenth. They're not bothering to use him.
Let me you go get him while you're at it.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Wait, let me look at Colton loveland stature yesterday. Hang on, oh,
zero point zero zero He had as many targets as
I did, yes sitting on my ass anyway for Houston.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
But I mean you go down the list. I mean,
you got nine targets for Collins, three catches fifty two
in a score. Great, you got that early touchdown. Then
you got a couple of running backs. Then you get
a couple of young wide receivers in Hutchinson and Higgins,
a couple of tight ends, and Justin Watson still getting
trotted out like you've got no depth whatsoever. Your offensive line,
which was terrible in twenty twenty four, got worse because
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the only viable options you had there left for other
other sites. So now you're looking at CJ. Stroud, where
two years in a row has been done a disservice
the football gods in the injury world, but also just
from a personnel standpoint. And at this point, he's not
that guy that's elevating, right. He's not making plays with
his legs, he's not extending plays like we saw with
(22:50):
Baker Mayfield, and he certainly didn't have the touch to
make the throws that were there were those makeable throws
to Nico Collins, both of them, yeah, but he didn't
find the way to put it in the basket. And
Colin Collin's I mean they were difficult passes. But yeah,
but there's not a lot of separation. I got a
lot of separation to work with. There.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
No one else scares you on that team. It's like, okay,
we got to stop me. And clearly he Strouds guy,
and he should Nico Collins trip, but he's not what
He's not one of those guys that's just gonna be.
You can have me and just a bunch of Jags. No,
he needs You need another starchy as we've seen when
it was Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Hey, that was great, right,
Tank Della's.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Yeah, absolutely, and then you'd still have Shultz coming across
the middle, uh as a safety valve out of the back,
across the middle, scraping off a block or maybe a
little bit of your running backs out of the backfield
which we haven't seen yet. Now going back to the
Chargers to bookend this whole thing, Quentin Johnston giving you
what Mike Williams once upon a time was for his
eight nine games a year. Right, Remember he was gonna
(23:51):
come back and then he abruptly retires, but giving you
that deep threat and Keenan Allen coming back into that
locker room and into that receiver room is immeasurable in
terms of what that is. Right, we saw the growth
of Johnson year one to year two, and now you've
got the steady hands, reliable target for Justin Herbert. Obviously
their connection that helps you on that route tree and
(24:13):
as we saw, you're trying to pick your poison and
take away some of the short stuff and you get
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making phone calls. Who knows Jerry Jones might pick up.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
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Speaker 1 (24:52):
I will have more on Monday Night game coming up
in a few minutes, but just really quick, as we
talked about last hour, a little bit with Jason Locke
for about where we sit now with the Kancity Chiefs
being zero and two, And look, I know many people
thought the Chiefs are gonna win on Sunday just because
they're the Chiefs. They don't start it on towo they're
the Chiefs. No, things are different. Right when I picked
(25:13):
the other like, I thought Jalen Hurts to have a
bigger game, but it didn't matter. They still wound up winning.
And the Chiefs look like they have a lot of problems.
So to spin this forward, right, Like I've said, they're
gonna finish third in the AFC West. You look at
their schedule the next month. Like I said last week, hey,
two and four is about what you could expect. But
one in five is not off the table, all right, Now,
(25:34):
that's how bad things are, like one in a one
in five start is not off the table. For the Chiefs,
two and four might be the best they could hope
for because you look at it's really loaded up now.
If things do get easier later on, and that's when
they'll get Rashid Rice back and in theory against Xavier
Worthy back. But you know how many losses can you
have to start the season before you think, oh, we're
just gonna run the table. We're gonna come back and
(25:55):
run the ten run the table again. All these teams
that are that are better than you now are younger
and more all of these things I say, younger, more athletic,
more dynamic, The roster is deeper, they're more talented. This
is what it just happens in the NFL. Not anything wrong,
it's just eventually it's gonna happen. And this is the
year again. I'm stock up on my homes because it
seems to be trying to do everything. You know, maybe
(26:18):
he runs for a thousand yards this year, but stock
up on mahomes, stock down on the Chiefs.
Speaker 5 (26:22):
Yeah, look, at some point he's actually gonna hit on
one of these deep crossers, isn't he? Is it always
gonna fall harmlessly? Incomplete? Because that's that's one of the
things that I don't think being spoken about enough. There
have been points on the board. They're just not executing right.
It's one thing to like, we're talking about Houston and
you can't figure it out and there's you're bottled up.
(26:42):
It's like here, it's the timing. Whatever's going on with Kelsey.
That's back to back weeks of absolute failures. But the
defense showed up in this one. A lot of controversy,
the tush push, we noticed. We didn't spend a lot
of time talking about that. We'll let the internet lawyers
take care of all of that and going fight and
fight about that. I'm not referring to one lawyer in particular,
(27:03):
for those of you out there, just in general, people
going you know, hey, here's the line, and for what
I gather they might actually be going through and fighting
with people and putting up copyright claims the NFL in
terms of that video, making the round about the false
starts and whatever. So that's kind of fun in terms
of that process. But when we're looking for dynamic players
right now, they don't have them. Eventually, the as you say,
(27:26):
the Speedsters will come back and maybe you can stretch
the offense a bit and get some semblance of balance.
But the running back situation, as we're talking about there,
Chicago other places tenuous. You got the Giants this week,
they'll at least go come out throwing. Whether they're Russell
Wilson's efficient again, we don't know. Then you've got the
Ravens in a big Sunday afternoon affair. Then you got
(27:49):
the Jaguars, then you got the Lions who won in one.
Bears are terrible, so we take it with a grain
of salt, but the explosiveness is still kind of there
where you get to the raiders and commanders. So you
got some opportunity out there. You're help by the fact
and you got to use every bit of leverage that
you can in this situation. See what I did there.
As the Broncos had that loss yesterday to Danny Dimes,
(28:12):
and Company off the leverage play, so that that offers
a little bit of support, Yeah to Chiefs Kingdom, at
least for a moment.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Look, look, it's not like things are going to be
awful thing.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
You know.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Look Jason lock and Ford had a great point last hour.
He said, ah, you know, yes, I agree with you.
This is a bad year. But is it a year
where then they restock after this year and they figure, yeah,
absolutely right. It's not tool recalibration. You say teams are younger,
more athletic, deeper rosters. You need that year to kind
of fall off the track to say, okay, now we
need to get better. Right, because you're coming off the
Super you're still coming off the Super Bowl. You still
(28:44):
think we have the guys to get there. You sometimes
you need that reality check to say, okay, now we
need to go and rebuild and do things a different way.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Yeah, it's the question. And you're a bit older. You
talk about the defensive line and you know that half
step is everything between getting to the quarterback back and
causing tremendous pressure versus all right, you made a nice
run and the guy's still able to deliver it from
a clean pocket. So we're watching that transpire a little bit.
We'll see how creative Spagnolo gets as this season goes on.
(29:13):
But offensively, just watching the first two weeks, the number
of opportunities that have been out there that they're just
not connecting, like guys breaking clear into the secondary and
mahomes just misfiring. Yeah, I mean, look when the weapons
come back, if they come back, if they get all
these guys on the field the same time, hey, everything,
I'll be okay. But again, it's all it's all theoretically,
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you get all these guys on the field the same time,
and this hasn't happened. It's all in theory.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
Now.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
The fact of the matter is in the AFC. How
many teams are gonna run away and hide? Right? You
got you got? The Ravens are really good, and then
everybody else kind of well, I don't know. The Chargers
might be up there with them if they continue to
throttle the Raiders here. But but otherwise, you've got a
conference that's fairly fairly open, so you can hang around
and be just dangerous. And then if you give me
(30:00):
my druthers when it's winning time. Fifteen and old, the
Walrusts are still very formidable.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
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Speaker 5 (30:24):
Is it my guy?
Speaker 1 (30:24):
I am his whisperer? Oh no, I'm the opposite of whispering.
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Speaker 5 (31:05):
Just rolled off my tongue.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
It rolls off your tongue really well. Early in the
second half, Chargers with the football, driving seventeen to six
lead over the Raiders. We'll have more on that game
coming up in a few minutes, but at this point,
I'm the Danny Dimes whisperer, Like I'm the Daniel Jobs.
I told you from the beginning of the offseason, he's
gonna win this I mean, going back to when they
signed him, He's gonna win this job. They brought him
(31:27):
in for a reason. You don't give him one year
and fifteen million to come in and back up Anthony Richardson.
He's got a lot of weapons, same thing I've been
saying the entire time. Now it's like, wait, Jason really
knows he's talking about. He's the Danny Dimes whisper They
have a lot of weapons. He will get the football
to them, and they are very underrated. They fix their
defense as much as you can in the offseason, and
it's not great. But I told you they were going
to win on Sunday. Yes, you needed a bit of
(31:49):
a tricker ration at the end with a leaping penalty
in all and a vaulting penalty to get that field
goal out there. But Danny Dimes comes through again and
he does exactly what the Colts want to do. Execute
the offense. Run a little bit when you need to
be Josh Allen light and it's kind of a very
light Josh Allen, but still he's Josh Allen Light And
(32:10):
each week what has he seen? Warren's become a pretty
big weapon. Josh downs most talented receiver on the team.
Not a great Week one, much better Week two. Ran
the football extremely well. You forget about the fact that,
oh yeah, yeah, one of the best running backs in
the NFL. Because it's Indianapolis, they have all kinds of weapons,
and here they are at two and zero and suddenly
(32:30):
Danny Dimes I told you on Monday Night will be
talking about Danny Dimes being the fantasy darling, everybody believing him.
And now how far can the Colts go. There's a
reason why I gave you the Colts as my long
shot super Bowl team. In the offseason, they were like
plus six thousand, anywhere from plus six to plus ten thousand.
Daniel Jones coming in this offense, it fits with what
they wanted to do. The good times will continue for
(32:53):
him because he's got great weapons around. You're not asked,
don't do it all by yourself. They're asking him, just
do what you're doing here, and clearly with each passing day,
Anthony Richardson's going to be an ex Indianapolis call at
some point soon.
Speaker 5 (33:04):
Yeah. You look at what they've been able to do
and the roster assembled, I picked them to win the
division and with the expectations potentially of something bigger based
on that roster depth and continuity of the fact that
you got Carly Ursa Gordon on the sidelines with the headset.
Maybe she's chiming in on plays as well, but you know,
you're looking at a guy back when he was healthy,
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and that's been one of the big things for Daniel Jones.
Is he gonna set the world on fire and throw
for forty five hundred yards and thirty touchdowns. No he's not.
But you go back to when he was most effective
with the Giants. He completed two thirds of his past attempts.
It was about a three to one touchdown to interception ratio.
And if you had some balance back when Barkley was healthy,
you got production. And now you got a guy in
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Jonathan Taylor as a runner and receiver. You see how
good he is. You got Gibtinson as his backup, who
showed out well in Week one and that blowout win
over Miami. But a guy that they'll mix in over
the course of the year after the right tight end
Hi Ryan Tyler Warren, who's a playmaker and a problem
(34:07):
in the secondary. All those other wide receivers that we've
enumerated through time. Yeah, they're well positioned to go and
run away and hide in this division. And they put
up nearly five hundred total yards of offense. And what
I was told was supposed to be an all world
Denver defense. I was told, Hey, Sean Payton and the
Brontos were gonna run rough shot on anybody.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Hi stub their toe on this. I had the Colts
win in the game. Look, Daniel Jones, you're right, Daniel Jones.
Can he throw it between twenty and twenty five touchdowns?
All you're looking for him to get run for ten
to twelve one, and all of a sudden you get
that whoa, whoa, whoa, Wait that shit. Stay upright, don't
get hurt, run, don't turn the ball over, right, don't
turn them But he can do all of those things
he can do with the right weapons around him. And
(34:49):
again this is a deep offense. I don't know why
other quarterbacks didn't say, get me there. I can beat
out Anthony Richardson. This guy, he's not been able to
stay healthy, he's not been able to have the stem
to play in a full game. He takes himself out like,
get me there. I can't believe there weren't more players
wanting to get there knowing I can take that job.
Look at all these be fair?
Speaker 5 (35:08):
I gotta think Ballard's being looked at a little bit
differently with the new ownership, right, and after the passing
of her say of all right, are we gonna get
this right? Because how many times did he take a
bite at the apple with someone a bit long in
the tooth before going the opposite way with Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Exit about a Fresca exit swelling Dome. I am the
Danny Dimes whisperer. He did it? That guy coming up next?
One team threatened to make the night cap and Monday
Night Football a blowout. Plus, oh boy, do I need
to apologize for the one team has played so far
this season? I hate you, and it's not the just
your fault.
Speaker 5 (35:44):
Ryan Poles
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