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October 24, 2025 • 40 mins

Jason Smith and Mike Harmon open the show reacting live to Thursday Night Football between the Vikings and Chargers! They then get into the bombshell betting scandal involving Chancey Billups and Terry Rozier... What does it mean for the future of betting in sports? Vegas insider Todd Fuhrman joins the show to weigh in with his own thoughts on the situation!

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(01:06):
all Chargers. They lead the Vikings right now. Twenty one
to three third quarter. Chargers have the football. It's been
a big first half for the Chargers run game. It's
been a big first half of the Chargers passing game,
which we'll get to in a minute. But uh, if
Chauncey Billups had the Chargers minus three and a half,
he's feeling good. Well maybe Chauncey Billups may have had

(01:27):
uh he may say, hey, wait a minute, that that
interception there would be that I don't know that that's interception.
I got the Chargers. That's not an interception. That's he
was able to call. That's not right there. Wow, man,
you know what, but that would be not all that
would be if they were gambling at cards, it's more
Terry Terry Rogier thing or Damon Jones. Yeah, okay, that's
more than Yeah, that's I mean, that's you know, that's

(01:49):
like you know, the Chauncey Billups like the end of
the first season, a sneaky pete, We're.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Gonna rig a big poker game. Guys are gonna make money.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
I mean, that's the Really it was every TV show.
It was an amount of every show TV show and
movievery movie seen.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
It's amazing this gambling. What else we got?

Speaker 1 (02:06):
Yeah, I mean look just for a couple of quick
second before again to Monday night Thursday Night football. So
the NBA gambling scandal in which Chauncey Billups, Damon Jones,
Terry Rozier have been involved and they've been relieved of
their duties at least temporarily by their NBA teams. They've
been involved in a wide gambling sweep that the government
had been looking into for the past year and a half.

(02:28):
We kind of the Terry Rozier thing because that had
come up before about him ducking out of the game,
and all of a sudden lot a bunch of prop
bets on the under came up for him. But now
we have Damon Jones allegedly telling people, hey, Lebron James
is gonna sit out this game, you might want to
bet against us, and Chauncey Billups, who have been working
with some of the biggest crime families allegedly in the

(02:48):
un I mean they're big've been arrested.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Yeah, yes, that it becomes the process.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
I mean working with crime families to help rig poker
games at which they bring fish into to come in
and and lose money tables. Yeah, which is happening in
the card business to hunt for the big hits.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Yeah, you put it in an X.

Speaker 1 (03:09):
Ray machine, but you got that, you got the X
ray specs, you got the I mean the marking of cards.
I mean, you name it when this story came out,
because it's just so it's such a huge coincidence that
you know, I'm binging Sneaky Pete right now, right right
the first easson right.

Speaker 3 (03:27):
Sneaky Pete is like the Hunger Game trilogy.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
The first one is really good, the second one is
not as quite as good as the first, and the
third one you're just waiting for it.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
To end well quickly.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
But I mean Giovanni Rabizi, but it's executive producer Brian Cranston, who.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Appears in the first season, who clearly.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Made this TV show for Aaron Paul, And for some reason,
Aaron Paul said, I don't want to I don't want
to do that at all. I don't want to do
that character again. Like the first it's all con men.
Giovanni rebec is a con man, and it's great a
family an Yeah, it's like a big Oceans movie, right,
everybody's a con and it's set up for a big
to fix a big poker game at the end of
the season. And I'm like, it's amazing. They're just doing

(04:02):
it with real dealers in sleight of hand and certain
things and tanking. This NBA story is it's it's electronic,
and it's and it's it's stuff that we're using all
sorts of sensors and and and and technology. And I'm like, wow,
this is really in Definitely I didn't think this stuff
actually really happened in real life. But the stuff where
you run this stuff down in the legs and.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
It buzzes you and it's astball. Yeah, basketball, they buzz
you And that's not a track.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
There is a guy with a trash can in the corner.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Who keeps hitting that trash can.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
He keeps, you know, bumping into the trash can.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
Right, It's how come every time I hear that trash
can you fold? What is that?

Speaker 4 (04:40):
Man?

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Come on, you got I think there's something goes dude.
The noise just rattles me and it takes me out
of my game.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
What do you want me to do? No, not happening
right now?

Speaker 1 (04:50):
I have uh so again, Look and we got Todd Furman,
our Vegas insider, lined up to stop byle with us
in about fifteen minutes to break down the latest on
this again, a really a crazy story out of the
NBA with a big gambling scandal. Meanwhile, where we sit
right now, Thursday Night Football, it is a twenty four
to three lead now for the Chargers, Cameron Dicker making

(05:13):
a good kick, unlike his kick at the end of
the first half. But the Chargers now lead us in again.
It's been all la Justin Herbert's up over two hundred
yards and a couple of touchdowns. It's been a big
night so far for lad McConkie six eighty eight in
a score, Aronde Gadsden five seventy seven in the score, Cusha.
But yeah, but that's the thing before we get to
the to my big hot take on this game. I

(05:35):
always thought, I told you, Ronde Gadsdon's gonna wind up
being He's got that potential to be a really big
difference maker in the NFL. Right he was a he
was a tight end, hybrid matchup nightmare at Syracuse, and
he was such a big weapon for McCord and the
years before that. And I'm glad, so glad he came
back because we had an incredible year. And I told Frostburg,

(05:55):
I said, you gotta it may take him a little
while because to get used to the game. Is his
body gonna be it? You know, because he's again when
those hybrid guys like are they big enough? Are they
tough enough off the line, because that's a thing. Well,
but you've got to be willing to commit to blocking,
which is something that as we've watched it with running backs,
that'll keep you off the field. But clearly he is ready,

(06:16):
way earlier than I thought. I thought it's gonna be
one year. Maybe he comes on a little bit at
the end, and then he really shows all I could
be the next great pass catching tight end in the NFL.
He's clearly he's he's hit there so early because his
last couple of games have been tremendous. I saw this
is how old I am because I remember having his
dad in fantasy and playing his dad in big weeks,

(06:37):
and now his son is on one of my fantasy teams.
I'm like, okay, but his dad, Yeah, his dad is
not even playing him in fantasy. This week he did
an interview where they asked him, hey, are you playing
your kid and your fantas steam. He goes, no, he's
sitting on the bench, so you have him on your roster.
I'm sure, the rest of the league backed the way
so you could have him. You have him. He has
an incredible week couple of weeks ago. And not wait,

(06:58):
you're not gonna play him, No, he's riding the bend
for me. Who else do you have that? Like unless
you're playing if you're playing Laporta, or you're playing Warren
or Kincaid, But like, how are you not playing Aronde?
Gadson after the last couple weeks of tight end is says,
such a dearth of production. That was a dirt of production.
Six teams on buys, including Laporta. Right, so you don't

(07:19):
even have him at your disposal this year and this week.
So I mean you just go all the way down
the line. It's like the tight end position is starting
to go to the hybrid mode to where like Gadsden,
to where it's a wide receiver tight end position. There's
a lot of leagues that aren't even dedicating a full
spot to it. But this game goes all the way
back to the first possession for the Chargers after three

(07:41):
and out. They get the ball and there's an apparent
interception return for a touchdown that gets overruled as he
has ruled the kind of juggled it and the ball
hits the ground as he's trying to secure it, and
then they take the possession. Fourteen plays eighty three.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yards to the house.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
I ever looked back since now they got healthy on
the offensive line, you got Pipkins and alt back, which
has been a huge boost. Defensively, you're seeing Oway alongside
Khalil Matck causing some problems. The one thing you do
have to watch, even though you've got a twenty four
to three game right now, is that Derwin James had
left with a hamstring concern. He was questionable, so we're

(08:22):
keeping an eye on his availability because we know in
the historically that means bad things for that defense if
he's not there as the field general. You know, and
look that the big play because the game has turned
into a Chargers onslaught. But the first play, the first
pass of the game, really not the first player of
the game, first pass of the game for Herbert and
the pick six gets overturned because it's ruled Rogers didn't

(08:42):
have his arms under it. And you know what this
is where it's funny we do this on a day
with the NBA gambling probe, is such a big deal.
But the thing that to look at when you want
to say, oh, this gets is fixed for this team.
It's fixed for this team, it's fixed for that team.
The chiefs are getting the calls. What I always find
the most interesting is not when calls are overturned. It's

(09:02):
not as it's sometimes is the length of time and
the lengths that which the replay officials go to overturn
a call. Sometimes it's like, Okay, you look at it,
but like, wow, they're really looking at this a long time.
And and I've gone from hey they want to get
it right to boy, they're really looking for a way
to overturn this call. Sometimes when it seems like hey,

(09:25):
this looks like a catch and and and it's and
it's upheld. All right, great we go on, Boy, that
that seemed easy, even though it looked like maybe he
juggled it a little bit going down to the ground. Okay,
but you know it only took a you know, thirty
seconds and they okayed it. And other times you look
at his stuff go wow, this is a long review.
What like the lengths they go to to look at
some plays to overturn versus others like that's that's to me,

(09:46):
that's the biggest red flag when I say okay, when
when when we want to say officiating and teams getting
favors done for them. Uh, you know, That's That's what
I look at more than just oh hey, this play
didn't go this way, this play didn't go this way.

Speaker 3 (09:58):
Is what do you do knowing?

Speaker 1 (10:00):
How far are you going to look at one play
versus how you don't go? How far you don't go
to look at others? Now, this one I've watched probably
twenty five times. How far does your hand have to
be under the ball?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah, I mean that's something like that.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
That's like really when it comes down to here, right,
it's like to me, it's the hands under. I mean,
the ball's gonna make contact, does it move well, he's
diving to the ground, Yeah, it's gonna move with him.
So again, it made for a much happier Chargers broadcast.
And we know a lot of friends and our coworkers,

(10:33):
Steve and obviously Frostburg that work on that.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
So the booth got a lot happier.

Speaker 1 (10:39):
Although I like sad Matt Smith and Daniel Jeremiah, that's
kind of an entertaining call to me, So again twenty
four to three charges with the lead right now, and
the Vikings are having all kinds of problems offensively.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
Now you're ready for my hot take. Yeah, my hot take.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
First half without a Touchdow. This is really I'm at
the point where you have to call out the Vikings
for absolute embarrassment in how they're handling their quarterback situation. Okay,
because Minnesota decided to stay with Carson Wentz this week,

(11:19):
and the thinking is, hey, it's a short week, we're
gonna get JJ McCarthy back in. Okay, Wentz's you know,
wasn't really great last week, made a few mistakes, and
tonight they've had no offense whatsoever, and they still, hey,
we're gonna wait another week. That's just an excuse. I
look at the Minnesota Vikings and I see a team

(11:40):
that is afraid to put JJ McCarthy back out there
because they don't want to show everybody, Boy, we might
have been wrong about this guy. And it's not like
just being wrong about a quarterback. It's being wrong about
a quarterback and kicking a guy to the curb who
looks at he may be even way better than the
guy you kick to the curb. This is incredibly embarrassing
for the Vikings that they went through all of the

(12:01):
different channels to say, oh, JJ McCarthy's our guy. They
had Sam Darnold, right, they bring him in. He's unbelievable.
But they're hanging the last two losses of the year
all on him. So, oh that was great, that's the
excuse they had to move on to JJ McCarthy. Aaron
Rodgers wants to come in. No, no, no, JJ's our guy.
And then suddenly it was well, you know he's injuries
coming back, we're gonna do We're gonna slow play it.

(12:22):
And you know, they put him out there in the
beginning of the season and he had one good quarter
and after that he struggled. And now he's been healthy
enough the last two weeks. If you're healthy enough to
dress his emergency quarterback, you're healthy enough to play. If
you're in uniform, you can play. And yet still the
Vikings are trying to slow play his return because they
want to wait as long as possible to put him

(12:43):
back out there, because they're hoping that maybe he's ready
at some point of the light is the light is
gonna flip from off to on and they're gonna be
able to exhale and say, Okay, we have the right
guy quarterback, because right now it looks like they're afraid
to put him out there because he's not good enough.
And they would be really embarrassed because all they did
was kick quarterbacks to the curb to make room for him.

(13:04):
And now you can't put him out there. I mean,
if you're healthy enough to dress, you can play. He
did a good job of avoiding Justin Jefferson as he
was out of bounds on the sideline, did a nice
little jump to avoid getting hit there. But we go
back to when they got eliminated, and everybody was quick
to be like, Sam Donald stinks, How about you. Kevin
O'Connell's got to take some of it, some of the

(13:26):
play calling. It was abysmal, that playoff effort and that
last stretch that they had.

Speaker 3 (13:31):
And not to say that.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Donald was good to absolve him any responsibility, but they
put one hundred percent on him, like we're a bunch
of geniuses, we'll figure this out. And now you're left
with an unknown. Right McCarthy was coming back off an injury.
Whether he was good or not, you had no idea
you had the opportunity, and it would have been costly,
but dollar cost averaging and preaches us all the time.
People can get pissed at me if they want you

(13:55):
franchise tag Sam Donald, And I know that takes the
stigma with it because now it's like, wow, you thought
that much of him. He's like, no, you know you
have a viable asset that you're not gonna let walk
out the door.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
And he goes to Seattle. He gets his hundred million dollars.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
But now you've got band aid after band aid, and
Carson Wentz has just been awful, and he's got two
of the best receivers in the game and he's been terrible.
And so you look at it now, I mean, he
leaves great against Pittsburgh, and what are we seeing an
inconsistent pass rush and a defense that's probably a bit
overrated there, right, we can stipulate to that. So when

(14:32):
he played in that game abroad, fine, he had that
big comeback, but otherwise he's struggled. And you think that's
gonna be good for Jefferson, Addison and Hockinson, who's still
mad about the call that he got touchdown he got
taken away last week No, you could have dollar cost
average with the rookie salary of JJ McCarthy and brought

(14:54):
him along at your leisure because you had a viable
option in Sam Darnold. Instead, he said, well, will make
do and then he played and fine against the Bears.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
It worked. But was he good? No, it was a
terrible game. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
I mean, look it was one quarter and the Bears
stopped playing right, and he made a couple of throw
It's not like he drove him up and down the field.
He made a couple of nice throws, right. Because I've
told you JJ McCarthy was overdrafted. He never had to
win games at Michigan. He was part of the best
Michigan football team and probably twenty five years, look at
all the guys going to the NFL, even the guys
went to the NFL last year, the year after they

(15:29):
won the national title. He was never asked to win games.
His numbers were never great. He was never a guy
you put the game on his shoulders. And for some
reason he got talked up all the tools everything else
and the Vikings drafted and I said, you know what,
he's overdrafted, Jim Harboss, He's overdrafted. And the fact, I mean,
he's been healthy for two weeks. Right again, if you're

(15:49):
healthy enough to put on a uniform, you're healthy enough
to play.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
If you're the quarterback, if.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
You're a quarterback in an emergency, then you're okay to play.
And still, I really I wonder if they're, you know,
hoping with their fingers crossed that he just gets it,
because again, think of how embarrassing that would be if
he's no good and then all of a sudden, it's wow,
back to square. Team's missing a quarterbacks all the time.

(16:14):
But the fact that you had a thirty five touchdown,
four thousand yard guy who went to another team and
now has them at the top of their division and
he's playing extremely well, Like, that's such so unbelievably embarrassing
for the Viking and and Brett far I mean, Aaron
Rodgers wanting to come there and look what he's doing
with Pittsburgh. Yeah, all of this stuff, man, this is

(16:35):
so embarrassing. Exit out about a Fresca exit swalling down
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more on the NFL coming up Finally, the Vikings are
driving still twenty four to three midway through the third quarter.
But straight ahead we head to Vegas and we get
the absolute latest and what's being said about the NBA

(16:58):
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Charge us to.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Leader twenty four to three over the Vikings for forty
to go in the third quarter.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
Vikings out of the Football Deep in charge of territory.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
We'll have more on this coming up in a few minutes.
Monte Bolagios will have the latest.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
But the big.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
NBA gambling scandal which exploded today continues to reverberate after
a big FBI investigation spanning at least eighteen months. Many
NBA luminaries personalities were taken in as part of this sting.
Chauncey Billups now no longer a head coach is he's

(18:30):
involved in a gambling ring where he was allegedly helping
to fix poker games involving couple of the biggest crime
families in the country. Then you had Damon Jones when
he was an assistant coach with the Lakers, allegedly telling people, Hey,
Lebron's not going to play tonight in a game, you
might want to bet against us. And Terry Rozier the
story we knew about from a couple of years ago
where he left a game early under mysterious circumstances and

(18:54):
there was a big spike in betting his undertotals for
that night, and he's been investigating the NBA talk to
him about it. This is a story about a year ago,
and now we get the fact that this is part
of what the FBI is sweeping him up in. So
this is a big deal and there is nobody better
to talk to for the next few minutes on this

(19:14):
than our Vegas insider, extraordinary Todd Furman, former odds maker
at Caesar's, analysts for CBS Sports Sports Line TSN. He's everywhere.
He's with us now, Todd, what's happening man?

Speaker 4 (19:28):
Hey, always good to catch up. Guys. Wish it was
under slightly better circumstances, but this is currently the sports
landscape that we all live in. So better that we
address the issues at its root cause. Then I'll let
some of these things fester and let that misinformation continue
to circulate like we've seen throughout media today.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Okay, so do that for us. Get get to the
root of it, the root cause. Talk about the big
thing for you coming off of the scandal.

Speaker 4 (19:51):
The big thing for this is it means the legal
process is working. And while a lot of people will
scoff at that notion, if we didn't have any form
of legalized sports betting, all of this would be swept
under the rug. It would be taking place in the Caribbean,
it would be taking place in nefarious spots with your
corner book maker. Instead you had folks looking to try
and gain an edge, getting information through illicted channels and

(20:14):
moving that money through regulated sports books. Now to what amount,
we're not quite sure just yet. I don't want to
speculate on the numbers that are being circulated. But this
is what legalized sports betting was meant to do. Shine
a brighter light, provide a disinfectant. And while people can
say we can bury our head in the sand, you
know the joke that I made is a player in
an NFL game can tear his ACL just because he

(20:35):
doesn't get an MRI to confirm it, they still know
what's a torn ACL. And it's very similar in this
regard that we can pretend sports betting isn't going to
go on in any capacity if it wasn't legalized with
a repeal of pass. But but the reality of it
is it's taking place, and we just now have a
better vehicle to be able to monitor and regulate it.

Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, that was the thing all day, Todd.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
The number of outlets that immediately began the well, they
need to dissociate from the gambling and wherever you know,
pick pick your your sports book, and they just need
to put all that money back and go go away.
It's like, to your point, like, no, that there are
processes in place. This has always existed now, it's just

(21:14):
we've got transparency at least to some degree exactly.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
And that's the whole thing. I mean. I work for
a company that we had relationships with a lot of
the collegiate conferences. We provided a report on a regular
basis if there were a regularities that were picked up
in the betting market. Now, I know, player props are
a little bit different, and with the advent of the
single game parlay, all of these sports books need a
lot more offerings that the individual customers can tie into

(21:38):
their multipliers here. So you know, my issue with all
of this is, you know, do the sportsbook take some
responsibility quite frankly, yeah, in my opinion, they do. There's
no reason to be offering player props on guys that
are ninth, tenth or eleventh on NBA rosters. If you
want to offer them on the marquee players on a
Tuesday night in November, by all means, go ahead. But
as soon as you start to see anything that EMBO's

(22:00):
in a regular betting pattern, the alarm bell should go off,
especially if it's from accounts that are either no losers
or brand new accounts that are out there. So in
my opinion, there's got to be a communication breakdown on
some level, and not being privy to that information, I'm
very curious what comes out in the wash and how
all of this gets tied together.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
So as as we looked at this today, there's always
the report, Okay, this is what happened today. Is there more?
Is something bigger coming? Do you think there's something bigger coming?
Or is this what we got now and then in
a year and a half we'll get another gambling sweep
somewhat like this.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
I think it's a great question, and one if I'm
speculating here without any information, that this is just kind
of the tip of the proverbial iceberg, that there will
be more information that comes to light. Unfortunately, in my opinion,
there'll be other players, maybe other coaches around the league
to get swept up in this. But I think what's interesting,
even over the course of twelve hours in the news cycle,
you know, we thought these were two separate stories. Chauncey

(22:54):
billups involved in illicted poker games with their own set
of issues and Terry Roji stuff which had been in
guests investigated for the last year and a half. Then
we come to find out as the day goes on
that there was some connective tissue between these two things,
and it appears that Damon Jones, a member of the
coaching staff up there in Portland, was a little bit
of a problem. The report breaks about him sharing information

(23:16):
about Lebron James availability and now all of a sudden,
the lid is kind of blown off. So I think
we're going to continue to accumulate information and more and
more is going to come to light, and probably not
in a positive manner.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
Well, that's the thing when you go back into these
gambling things. Jason and I were, you know, talking about
it at the top of the show, Todd. You know,
it takes from every TV show and movie we've ever
had about illicit card games and cons, right, but we
know that people want access to athletes, and athletes want

(23:48):
everybody to fawn on them, which means you get to
the storytelling time and maybe that one piece of information,
whether knowingly or not, that you've now given someone the
edge and you've set things in motion, and so oh
so that's the question.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Yeah, the events of today honestly harm. It feels like
we have blue chips meeting rounders creating a major motion picture.
I mean, the highlight that was circulating across social media
of Terry Rogier turning the ball over at the top
of the key looked like Tony And last time I checked,
when Tony got his a's and TV, you don't just
watch the tube in that class. You actually have to
focus on your academics. Meanwhile, for the poker games and

(24:26):
everything else that comes out around it, look high stakes
A type athletes are always going to be around these situations.
And I'm not sure if it becomes the facto guilt
by association that one of the poker clips that came
out from the Friends podcast that was out there, both
of the gentlemen that are professional poker players may or
may not have been at my wedding. So there is
a little bit of connective tissue to some of this

(24:47):
stuff that goes on.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
So so if I'm reading this right, at your wedding,
you had a big backroom poker game, high stakes boomsman,
that is.

Speaker 3 (24:57):
That is not what I said.

Speaker 4 (24:58):
We didn't have X ray techno.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
I've already tod I've already tweeted that out.

Speaker 3 (25:04):
I'm sorry, I can't. I can't change that.

Speaker 4 (25:06):
But we didn't have any members of Geneviez through the
Chasy crime family in attendance, at least not to my knowledge.
But look, when you're around the gambling industry in any capacity,
whether it be sports or poker, there's always going to
be that proverbial ven diagram where sports is on one side,
poker's on the other, and there is still a very
large overlap between the two communities.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
That's it. Six degrees of separation. Yeah, I mean, look,
I I remember when the Wildcats had their scandal all
those years ago for point shaving. Those were guys that
I ended up having gotten tickets from for years to.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Look that that's how it works. And as we know, Smith,
anytime there's a scandal, the first thing I'm going to
the Newswire to try and find is if the Harmon
brothers are associated to nefarious activity around the Lord.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
You know, you know, well you know where the Harmon
brothers were last.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Week, right that I don't, But if they were sitting
behind the bench last night at the Rose Garden, we got.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
The story, No, dude, you kidding?

Speaker 1 (26:01):
They were in Paris at the Louver last week, both
of them.

Speaker 4 (26:05):
Well then, you know, credit credit to you arm for
showing up to work and knowing that you have those
fancy French jewels working in your favor somewhere being fenced
on the black.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Market somewhere somehow. So, Hey, Todd, now that we get
and Vegas insider Todd Furman our guest here as we
break down the NBA gambling scandal. Obviously, the big name
involved in this is Lebron James, who's not been named
in this report. It was just Hey, Damon Jones, who
was who was was kind of with the Lakers when
Darvin Ham was there. Let it be known that, Hey,

(26:34):
allegedly Lebron's not playing tonight and money went down against
the Lakers. Do we need to hear anything from Lebron
on this, like does he need to like seeing this
and how you think this might unfold? Like do we
need some kind of statement or does he just not
say anything unless something happens which we need to hear
from himportant.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
No, I think he should be as bad as buttoned
up as possible around this whole situation because the reality
of it is unless Lebron James knew when he told
Damon Jones he was or wasn't going to be available
for games when Jones wasn't on the coaching staff, knowing
where that information was going. In my opinion, Damon Jones
is the weak link that broke the proverbial chain. If
Lebron's talking to a friend or colleague, hey, I'm not

(27:13):
going to be out there tonight, then I don't think
he did anything wrong. But what it does call into question,
and you know why people have a right to be
critical of what goes on is the NBA player availability report.
This is why that people scoff at those notions. Why
the NBA needs to do a better job and hold
their teams accountable. Why college coaches like Lane Kiffer, who
treated as a joke, create problems. You get the wrong

(27:36):
personalities poking around professional organizations or on a worst case level,
around college campuses doing these kinds of things to see
what players are going to be out there. The NFL
knew what they were getting themselves in for. There's a
reason the injury report is available on Wednesday, Thursdays and Fridays,
and they're about as transparent as any league in sports.
I think every league needs to begin to understand why

(27:56):
this information needs to be out there, and whether it's
a starting pitcher in Major League Baseball or an NHL
team being required to share their starting goalie information. The
more information that you put above board that's out there
for general public consumption, it alleviates some of the concerns
that are inevitably going on behind the scenes. And for
all these coaches who believe it's a little bit of

(28:17):
smoking merrors, you can create all the smoking mirrors you
want until it completely blows up in your face and
this becomes the end result.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
He is Vegas insider extraordinary Todd Furman. Check him out
on Twitter at Todd Furman, see him on CBS Sports
Line TSN Todd is always appreciated. Or see him around
a poker table in Vegas eating Oreo cookies.

Speaker 3 (28:38):
You know he's bluffing. Todd. Thanks a bunch, buddy. We'll
talk to you next week.

Speaker 4 (28:41):
I actually prefer hydrox when I'm sitting at the table.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Are nicely, Don Thanks for stopping down, buddy.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
We appreciate you. Great stuff there from Todd Furman.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
But like all of it, right I joked with you earlier.
I was like, do you wish Adam Silver is sitting
here on I'd really like to talk about the no
show jobs some more.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
Can we go back to that sea?

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (28:59):
I remember that one. That one was great. We can
talk about that.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Yeah. No, but that will actually go plant some trees?
Will that make it better? I mean, because this, I mean,
it's so unwieldy, and it takes you in a million spots,
and the injury report is definitely where we're at. Right
he references college football. We've had a couple of instances
of player availability and we're talking slap on the wrist fines. Right,

(29:24):
there's no if that's all you're gonna do. I mean,
you get penalized more for your idiot students running onto
the field than you do for falsifying player availability data.
And there's the latest in the long list of grievances
I have with the way things get adjudicated and processed

(29:45):
in our collegiate slash professional and professional sports. Twitter at
how about a fresco Mike gets swollen down the Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike harmon Time Now
to find out what's trending in the wide world of
sports from some well, I'm just gonna say it, she
bought pizza for everyone tonight to hopefully celebrate a Chargers
win or drown our sorrows and a loss. Right now,

(30:08):
things are looking okay for the Chargers and Monte Belanga.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
That is true.

Speaker 6 (30:12):
That's why I bought the pizza. We'll get to the
NFL in just a second. As Week eight has kicked
off from Sofi Stadium because we got a game going
down to the wire in Indiana between the Pacers and
the Thunder with about forty seconds to go. It's a
tie game. They're tied out one twenty two. Aaron Ne
Smith has already fouled out for Indiana. Pascal Siakam hit
the shot to force ot. He's got thirty points. Benedict

(30:34):
Mathrin has thirty four points. The leading scorer of the
game is shay Gil just Alexander who's got forty four points.
And I think the Indiana Pacers just turned the ball.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
I think Mafin was dribbling in for a slam and
he lost the still like he's dribbling down the I'm like,
oh wow, he's gonna get a dunk, and he just
lost to that st I thought it was like the
contest he gets it.

Speaker 6 (30:57):
Yeah, that was not great. I can hear the guy
in the editing room yelling about it. But yeah, he
just kind of lost it. So now there's thirty seconds
to go, and okay, see we'll have the ball again.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
They are in Indiana.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
There's another game going on, and it's Denver and Golden
State and the Nuggets are up right now, twenty seven
to eighteen, late in the first quarter of that one.
All right to the NFL where it has been luckily
all Chargers so far in this one. But Carson Wentz
did throw his first touchdown pass to Jordan Addison.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I know you said, Luis the Charger loveily is it?
So we eat some positivity. Okay, it's the Chargers.

Speaker 6 (31:32):
We have. We have season tickets to the Chargers. But
obviously I work, and so my sister in law is
a Vikings fan. So my brother and sister in law
are currently at the game.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
My brother's not.

Speaker 6 (31:40):
A huge NFL guy, and he's like, man, are the
Chargers this much better than the Vikings? He sent in
a text and I said, listen, it's it's a quarterback thing.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Whatever.

Speaker 6 (31:49):
But the Chargers are very much like the Clippers. So
the game is not over. The game is not over.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
And then they literally scored a touchdown.

Speaker 6 (31:58):
So here we are plenty of game left. They just
got going in the fourth quarter. But the Chargers are
in the red zone knocking on the door to score
twenty four to ten. Justin Herbert has known for two
hundred and twenty one yards two touchdowns. He also has
one interception.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Other Edi House, what McCay do with.

Speaker 6 (32:17):
He's got six catches yards and a touchdown?

Speaker 3 (32:20):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
When it comes to other NFL news, Ravens quarterback Lamar
Jackson limited in practice for a second straight day because
of his hamstring strain, but Buccaneers quarterback Baker Mayfield he
was upgraded to a full participate in practice today. A
couple of NHL scores. Kings over the Stars right now
two to one late in the second period, Hurricanes doubling
up on the Avalanche for two also late in the

(32:42):
second period, and Oilers are edging the Canadians three to
two with two minutes to go in the second period.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Back to you guys, thank you very much. Monster.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Yes, that's very nice of you allowing your Chargers tickets
to go to Vikings fans.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Well, I mean it's my sister Lass.

Speaker 6 (32:56):
You know, it's better than to give it to somebody
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Oh hey, can I get those tickets? I would say,
oh yeah, yeah, you go.

Speaker 6 (33:02):
To say like I could have, but it was like, yeah,
of course, you know, and uh, my parents are.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Watching the babies, because you know what you could have
said was when they said, hey, since you're working out
the tickets, yeah, go blank yourself.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
No, you're not going to go root for the Vikings
with my tickets.

Speaker 6 (33:15):
Not happening, right, yeah, I you know they have it
rough right now as Vikings fans.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Well, yeah, it's.

Speaker 6 (33:24):
It's a rough time because Carson wentzaying doing anything No, no.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
J McCarthy ain't doing anything. No, no, no. So yeah,
Monty doesn't know who fran tarkent Is doesn't know, but
I know who everybody is.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Ronde Gadston, what about Gaston? No, no, no, I I I
educated Moncey way too much on the previous history of
Ronde Gadsten before he got to the NFL. Yes, well,
let me tell you when he came to Syracuse as
a freshman.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, I learned all about it. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
Monty was like, yeah, no, Syracuse. You know, I'm watching
Moncey's eyes gloss over and I go, this is like
I feel sometimes like when I was younger, I was
on a date and I'm saying something.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I go, she really doesn't care about that. I gotta
change that, memet change. I care lots. I care lots.

Speaker 6 (34:19):
Have a lot of things going on, like piecers and
thunder going at second.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Overtime, just when the light goes out on your date
and she's like, yeah, this is not the guy. Now,
I'm just down, just stuck here until the date's over. Okay,
that's Dad's den.

Speaker 3 (34:31):
But you don't want to hear more about the Mets.
Come on, you don't want to talk about the Mets? Hi,
thank you many, my pleasure.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Coming up next, we got the play of the day
coming your way, and how about a hot take for
Game one of the World Series After big news today,
that's next right here, Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Fox Sports Radio and TJ.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
Clearly, the Minnesota Vikings offense needs a yellow card the
way they're playing.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
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Should be well, much to the chagrin of Monci Bolagos, who,
even though the Chargers are winning by twenty one points,
has found a way a few minutes ago in the
in the hallway to yell blank led McConkey blank, ronde, gads,
did I got a big fat zero targets for Quentin
Johnson in fantasy Big fat zero blank everybody, This is Muncie. Listen,

(35:54):
he's right around the hallway. Second, I won't eat it all.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
Yeah, yeah, not happy enough.

Speaker 1 (35:58):
The team is winning by twenty one but big thought
zero targets for Quentin Johnston. And then you and I
are watching Carson Wentz airmail and other ball that gets
picked up.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
It's like, yeah, that's now they're gonna run the ball.
That's that's not good.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
So with that in mind, From Monzie, who bought pizza
for all of us tonight. Lad McConkie's touchdown, here's our
play of the day. Second and tent Herbert to throw
takes a shot to the end zone from Acaky call
touchsdown Chargers twenty seven yards. Ladd mccauckey, Chargers Radio Network

(36:33):
on the call, Matt money Smith on the call, produced
by Justin Frostburgh. Lad McConkie having a big night boy,
Rodney Gatson having a bag. Who's who's not having a
big night for the Oh? Sorry, what are you doing?
I'm sorry, I'm just saying it's a big night. Excited
for the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
She moves swift. You won't to hear her coming.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
I'm excited. No, that is true. Moncey is like an astronaut.
You can sometimes you get stumping down the hallway pretty fast, man,
like like one step and suddenly it's like, wow, that's
really She's like one of the stealth cars when it
starts behind you.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Oh I didn't hear that car start. No, that's it.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
I mean these new fangled cars you don't hear the
engine reb you No, no, no.

Speaker 3 (37:08):
A big fat zero, A big fat zero.

Speaker 6 (37:10):
You guys, just Cardio out there. You know what.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
A lot of people playing soccer zero run big fat
zero even in the box score. It's like he doesn't exist. Yeah. Oh,
if your name's not.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
In the box score, it's not even in the box.

Speaker 3 (37:28):
You need at least a target. Did you do you
even lift?

Speaker 2 (37:31):
Bro?

Speaker 6 (37:32):
Do you even lift?

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Bro? Does your jury to be washed after the game
tonight or can you just hang it back up? Because
really you didn't do anything.

Speaker 6 (37:40):
I didn't do it.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
No, but I'm wearing justin Herbert. He did a lot. No,
you're good.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Ever since they overturned that interception, Boy, what a different games.
We'll have more football coming up in a few minutes,
but big news in advance of Game one of the
World Series tomorrow night. Look Alex Vessian not with the Dodgers.
One of their relievers dealing with a personal issue, and
we know more on that will let you know. But

(38:05):
the Blue Jays have named Trey Savage to start Game
one of the series. Now, he's a rookie pitcher who
has had a pretty good playoff. Didn't really pitch a
lot during the regular season because he came.

Speaker 3 (38:16):
Up late, but.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
He was in Duneaton, down the road from my folk.
Just is like the Mets at the end of the year, Hey,
can you throw? Have you pitched the major leagues at all?

Speaker 4 (38:25):
No?

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Then you can come pitch for us, because every other
guy we have stinks. Now, he has pitched pretty well
so far in the playoffs. But I'm gonna give you
this Big Bowl prediction for Game one. As I've said,
the Dodgers lefties are gonna feast on the Blue Jays pitching,
and I'm sure they will stagger the lefties in the lineup,
probably go something like Otani freemanle hit third, Monthsy fifth,

(38:49):
something like that. I expect the Dodgers to knock the
crap out of him in the first two innings of
this game. It's a great Rogers Center is a great
hitters ballpark. It's a hitter's paradise. And the Dodgers know
they got to get on this early because you want
to quiet that crowd and not keep all that insane
momentum and energy in the ballpark. You want to take

(39:11):
care of that early as you can. They know we
want to hit We're going to hit early first two
winnings tomorrow. The Dodgers put up crooked numbers and it's
a big first two winnings for them. Curious to see,
you know what is out totals are and all those
fun things. Trying to navigate because we don't have a
lot of data. Right, that's the fun of this game
on a whole other level, Like we get to the playoffs,

(39:32):
we get through these early rounds all the way to
the World Series, and there is just a giant question
mark on that mound as to how he's going to respond.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Right.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
We've seen, you know, guys that are long in the
tooth and their trials in postseason play trying to overcome them. Him,
he is just a blank slate, right, you know, playing
with house money for lack of a better term. Yeah,
I know how much I hate that term to actually
use it. First two innings watch the Dodgers offense cook
coming up next. Speaking of cooking, we cook on the

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