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Jason and Mike tell you what changes the Dodgers will make in their lineup and why Blake Snell gives the Dodgers the advantage. (The winner of Game 5 in best-of-seven World Series tied 2-2 have won 31 of 46 occasions)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Let's give this you're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hello,
Welcome in side our three, The Jason Smith Show with
my bes friend Mike Harmon. Game four of the World
Series goes to the Blue Jays in a game that
I think we were all the biggest baseball fans in

(00:43):
the world.

Speaker 1 (00:43):
I think we were all happy. It was kind of
a boring game. We couldn't get any higher than the
fever pitch you're at. Last night was one of the
all time greatest World Series games we've ever seen. In
a prisoner of the moment take, maybe the best game
since Game six eighty six met Red Sox kind of
needed a day to catch our breath. They should have
postponed the game for a day. Hey, listen, we want

(01:05):
everybody to really understand what we just saw and talk
about the greatness of Otani in this game and all
the different twists and turns in the ins and outs.
We're gonna wait a couple of days before we played
game four. Okay, but it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:15):
No, but it was a weekday, so everybody got to
Blovi eight on it today. So I mean everybody got
their spin, so you got plenty of time. And look,
I didn't want to a boring game. I was hoping
for another twelve and thirteen inning. Oh no, here, what
kind of chaos we're getting? No strike while we're hot?

Speaker 3 (01:30):
Man?

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's why when when when a group puts together an
album and a rock puts an album together, they don't
just put hey, we're gonna put all the best fastest
songs are the far the the first seven songs, No,
because you gotta be able to start out with something big.
Then you kick it up a notch, but then you
dial it back like the greatest hits of the ages

(01:53):
that nowhere else to go, right. John Cusack taught us
that in high fidelity, right, you gotta take it down
a notch. Right, So we had the the the absolute
apex of baseball last night. Now we could it down
a notch but okay, now we take it down a
bit and we get a nice six to two game
and we're tied to to apiece going into a big game.
We've had a day to recuperate, rest, relax. Now we're
ready for the next one. But we could take it

(02:14):
down a notch. This this was cranking well it had
we had. We had to take it all the way.
This is the hey take it to a boil your
teasert this and now put it on similar you're talking
about we were at like the top of il Cappy
ten and now we're you know, we're at ground level.
We're in t Wallowy Meadows like we were at top
of El Cap and down at twallow metals. That's where
that's how, that's where the level we came to.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
We had to come down. Copy Todd. He was on
the call with thought, come on, we were that high.
We had to come down a little bit. We had to.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Well we did and came down because there was a
lot of inactivity, so a lot of failure.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
What's some big stuff coming off a game for into
game five to push this forward? Apparently, well, we're managing
the Dodgers from thirty miles away because during the game,
we talked about this. The Dodgers just aren't hitting right,
and Otani had been making up for a lot of ills.
The Dodgers haven't hit since the first two games against

(03:08):
the Reds, and the Reds were an overclass team and
out outclass team. The Dodgers put up a bunch of runs.
That's the last time they really hit. They hit a
tiny bit against the Phillies, didn't it all against the Brewers.
Haven't really hit this series either.

Speaker 4 (03:19):
They have not hit.

Speaker 1 (03:21):
We said, something needs to happen batting order wise. There
needs to be some sort of not quite of a
not quite of a Hey, we're desperate and we're just
gonna pull names out of a hat, but there's got
to be some sort of adjustment to kind of jumpstart
the team a bit. And the guy that's got to
get jump started as Mooki Bets, because he's been absolutely
terrible and he looks the worst he stands for all
of the Dodger ills at the plate, and we said,

(03:42):
you gotta think about moving him down up We started
the show by saying, you gotta think about moving Mooki
Bets down the lineup right, Maybe move him down to
fifth or sixth, and you move up, but Ti Oscar Hernandez,
you move up, Key k Hernandez, you move up, Keith Hernandez,
you you move up another right handed batter into that spot,
and you figure out what's going to get Mookie Bets
going because you simply can't keep putting him up. After show,

(04:04):
heyo Tani who was reaching base all the time, and
and the Blue Jays are taking that trade off of Okay,
so Tani's at first, but we're getting Mookie bad at bats.
He's popping up, he's swinging at the first pitch now,
trying to find a way out. He is absolutely desperate
and he looks absolutely lost. So yeah, drop Mookie Bets
down the lineup. What did Dave Roberts say following the game?

(04:25):
Steve just Sager said it a few moments ago. Lineup
may look a little different tomorrow. We're managing the Dodgers
from thirty miles away, no question about now.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
First off, for those that are gonna start tweeting at
how about a fresca? He knows damn well that Keith
Hernandez bad and left handed. Okay, it was.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
So you think that's what people are gonna worry about
the Wait a minute, the not that I just said,
let's put a sixty Keith Hernandez in the lineup, who
with the game is too late for him. It's too
late for this on the West Coast to stay up
this late for a game.

Speaker 4 (04:52):
Forgot.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
Keith can't sayup for that. I just wanted to laugh.
It was either to make a joke about his mustage.

Speaker 1 (04:56):
Why do you think Keith doesn't do the World Series? Guy,
it's too late for him when games on the West
coach forget it.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Keith is because he sucks.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
You stop about Keith Nandez. That was I mean, that
was the That was the greatest moment of Frostburg's life.
We almost shared in my life. Yeah, dude, you were
so excited, the highlight of your life. I was excited too,
but I mean almost but fumble almost ship. I wasn't
excited about that. That was not exciting.

Speaker 4 (05:21):
Did you offer to help him move? No?

Speaker 1 (05:22):
No, no, no, but almost sharing an elevator with Keith
nan Is at Dodger Stadium that was awesome.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
We tasted his mustache. Basically, oh that's good. That's a horrible.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Visual that I just got.

Speaker 4 (05:34):
That'sn't the worst thing. Yeah, you told me it tasted
like onions and ketchup.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
All of that to say, yes, you have to shake
it up. And obviously they didn't go through the lefty
righty lefty combo and and that is worked throughout the season.
And we talked about replacements and bullpen management where you
got to go the three batters and all that, and
I could see your your brain has just gone into

(06:01):
a deep dark.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
You're saying all these great things, and all I think
of being really close to Keithing ends his mustache like
Frostburg's put that image out there and I can't get passed.

Speaker 4 (06:09):
Did you try to shave it off? She can keep
it for posterity. Jason told me his mustag smelled like
nineteen eighty six, still has the champagne bubbles and what
is that?

Speaker 1 (06:19):
That's a nineteen eighty six is uh dracarno ar and
one else is big in the eighties.

Speaker 4 (06:25):
Uh yeah there you go, oh wow, Yeah, it's nicely done.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
But yeah, all of that to say it's you're running
in place right now. And when we talk with John
Paul Morosi last hour, Uh look, it's nothing nothing new.
I mean, we've watched this Dodger offense being grossly inconsistent
over the course of the year. A lot of that
that we've laid at the feet of and I think

(06:52):
deservedly and rightly so at what Mookie Bets has historically
been versus what he brought to bear this year, and
he's a Golden Glove finalist. That's that's not helping you
move runners around, it's around the diamond. It helps make
up for some of the defensive inadequacies of other positions
on the field. Don't get me wrong, run saved and

(07:12):
all of those kind of fun things between he and
Freddie Freeman. But for the the hitting order, I mean
showy Antonio and we watched it in the eighteen inning marathon.
I was like, yeah, we can intentionally walk him five
times at once, five times because we are not worried
about Mookie Betts putting goodwood on the on the ball
and sending us home. That is that is the biggest

(07:35):
indictment you can make. And yes, it's all respect to Otani,
it's complete utter disrespect to what is a former MVP,
but recognizing the struggles he's had at the plate.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
So that's what to expect. Lineup wise, I also expect this.
You are gonna get the ace treatment tomorrow from Blake snow.
This is why he needs to start game one of
all the series. This is why in the biggest game
of the year, you need Blake Snell to come up big.

(08:08):
Blake Snell will come up big. Okay, And sometimes it
can be as simple as look at his home road
splits all right, as good as he is this year
away from away from Dodger Stadium, zero to three ERA
is four and a half. At Dodger Stadium five and
one ERA is one point one seven, Okay. Whereas Blake
Snell pitching tomorrow at home Dodger Stadium, he's he just

(08:31):
is a different guy, a different kind of attitude. You've
seen his biggest success over the course of the past
few weeks have been games at Dodger Stadium. Look, it's
a little bit more of a split differential than I
would like from a guy you're paying that kind of
money too. But we're talking about one game tomorrow. You
need Blake Snell four. I expect him to be the
ace tomorrow. He had a rough game in Game one.

(08:52):
Still it wasn't absolutely out and out terrible, but it
was much rougher in Game one that we thought it
was going to be, especially coming off the NLCS. But tomorrow, again,
the Dodgers need That's why this guy pitches all the
big games, because he wants the ball, He's got the attitude.
This is where the Dodgers need more than just a
well pitched game. They need someone to grab the team emotion.

(09:13):
They need to be the emotional leader tomorrow and that's
what Blake Snell is going to do. The Dodgers need
that because they were really flat today coming off the
eight inning win, which okay, you kind of expect that,
but they're not hitting. They need something. So you're gonna
get a little tinkering with the lineup tomorrow, which again
we're managing for thirty thirty miles away because that's what's
going on. Yeah, us, but Blake Snell tomorrow, I will
be really really surprised if he's not. If it's not

(09:36):
one of those vintage six to seven in one run
Blake Snell performances tomorrow. The Dodgers had enough to win
and they're going back to Toronto with the three games
of two league.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Five eurn runs in thirty eight and a third innings
pitched at home this year, opponents batting average a full
one hundred points lower at home than they were in
those three road starts, So we try to take from that,
and certainly the top of the batting order with Springer out,
assume he's still out for tomorrow. So Lucas had two

(10:05):
hits tonight, and obviously Vladimir Guerrero continues to terrorize people.
So you've got that with Bishett back in the lineup,
that it becomes at least then first inning, get your
popcorn ready, right, because that's gonna give us a lot
right off the jump.

Speaker 4 (10:23):
Right.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
We watched Shoho Tani do a great job in the
first inning, and then when they went through the second time,
Vladdie got him for the two run homer, right, and
eventually he's chased and we get to the bullpen for Snell.
It's imperative that he gets into the sixth seventh inning,
otherwise we're gonna have a lot of anxious moments and

(10:44):
puckering here in the City of law.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
Fame, you know.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And here's the thing to give give you a little
bit different take on Dave Roberts. So when you see,
oh my god, he brings him Blake trying right, Yes,
find yourself, find someone who loves you as much as
Dave Roberts loves Blake trying it last year in the
playoffs against the met Right, we saw it in the
World Series two and even even earlier in the playoffs
as well, when Dave Roberts sees that, Okay, this is

(11:09):
not going to be our game. It's the lower leverage relievers,
and not to the point where, hey, it's seven to
one in the fifth inning, here come the low leverage relievers.
But sometimes a three to one game in the fifth inning, Well,
why aren't you coming with your best it's only a
two run game. Yeah, Dave Roberts does a really good
job of seeing this is a game where good we

(11:29):
can come back in. This is not a game for us.
And tonight you saw he went to the lower leverage
guys right when Blake Troning comes into the game, like wow, really,
I mean this is this is where you're going right now?
So you could tell that that two run home or
by Vlad Guerrero it seemed like a Grand Slam. It
seemed like two Grand slams because the Dodgers just were
not hitting. They had no life no spark and Dave

(11:50):
Roberts had a choice to make coming off the eight
inning game last night. I could bring back my high
leverage guys and hope we're going to get back in
this game, or I bring the lower leverage guys in.
We give up a couple of runs, we're probably not
gonna win, and then the guys are fresher for game five.
And the guys that I want to bring in really
older and you can bring in that you can trust
is Roki Sasaki. But you never know, right maybe to

(12:10):
the day ref Will Klein comes in and pitches. I mean,
who knows, right, you don't need the only guys you
could trust outside of Sasaki, you're guys that pitched well
the game before. That's who you're out if the Dodgers,
that's how bad the bullpen is. But going to the
lower leverage guys, I really look at it, it's like, Okay,
I'm sure he saw this game as yeah, maybe not
our day, even though it's a one run game, two
run game, not our day, and bases load you know,

(12:32):
second and third, nobody out. We're down, We're down by
a run already. They're probably gonna get a run or
two this inning. I know we want to stop them
and come back and think we can, but this really
isn't where we're going. And he's done that. He did
it last year in the NLCS against the Mets, a
four to one game. In the third inning, suddenly here
come the low leverage guys. Wait, it's the third inning
of the game. Yeah, well, this is what I'm doing.

(12:53):
And he did it twice and the Mets won both
those games. Of what happened, the higher leverage guys were
ready for the rest of the series. Dodgers beat the Mets.
Dodger went to the World Series, same thing happened. So
it's not like we haven't seen this. It's a bit
of a questionable strategy, but Roberts knows his team and
seeing the bullpen decisions that he made tonight tells me
he's saying, Hey, this might not be our night tonight,

(13:13):
but tomorrow we're gonna need it and the guys are
gonna be better. I'm better off with the lower leverage
guys tonight trying to get by than trying to bring
back the high leverage guys coming off of last night,
And what if I need him tomorrow. All of a sudden,
we're really in trouble. So I think he took a
little bit of Game four and took a little bit
of that for granted and going Okay, I'm gonna go
all in on Game five for the higher leverage relievers tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, I mean, you look at the number of pitches
that a number of those guys through yesterday and Riquez,
and then obviously when you talk about Kwine, I mean,
Riguez might be a high leverage but that's what I mean,
coming out with his one hundred and ju miles an
hour and whatever. But like just some degree, I was
a little surprised we didn't see kersh how today right
with the runners on proof of concept. But again, maybe

(14:00):
holding out that Game five becomes that be all to
end all, because you did have the two to one
lead that you'd battled back to in the series. So
not that it's a giveaway, you know, throwaway kind of up.
It's a world series for crying out lock, but you
are playing percentages, and I wonder what those spreadsheets look
like between he and the analytics department in the front

(14:22):
office to make these decisions today, but tomorrow it's all
on the arm of Blake Snell. I mean, this is
why they paid him a lot of money to come
in and become that ace.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
And I get a theory on why you didn't see
Kershaw tonight on We'll get to in a few.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
One of the Just a quick note, it was brought
up in a lot of the work here am five
to seventy LA Sports Yamamoto wanted the ball in the
tenth inning yesterday and was glaring over Mark Dryer, sending
his interpreter over to go yell at him and whatever
that he wanted in. So one of those things of
legend that builds in this World Series.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Exit up about a friend, Exit swollen Dome. We'll have
more on the World Series again. I'll tell you why
we didn't see Kershaw tonight and I think it will
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Speaker 1 (17:07):
Yeah, biggest game in the NBA tonight coming up in
a few minutes.

Speaker 4 (17:10):
Why I'm not upset the Knicks lost and I'm not
really not a no, not really.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
I'll tell you why. But you asked a very interesting
question a few minutes ago where the Dodgers. Tonight, Game
four of the World Series goes to the Blue Jays.
The Dodgers go to the bullpen. It's lower leverage, guys,
it's Benda, it's Blake Trining, and a two to one
deficit turns into a six to one deficit. Blue Jays
win Game four, coming off of the thriller that we

(17:37):
had last night, and you said, boy, I'm surprised we
didn't see Clayton Kershaw one batter last night. Clearly everybody pitched.
Maybe Kershaw's of ay again, but it's the end of
his career, right, He's done after this, Right, this is it.
Kershaw's never gonna do it again. I have a sneaking

(17:57):
suspicion what you saw in Game three was the last
appearance of Clayton Kershaw in Major League Baseball. Okay, because
the Dodgers didn't put Clayton Kersha on the World Series roster. Hey,
you're gonna be a guy we're gonna go to strategically.

Speaker 4 (18:16):
This is gonna be that.

Speaker 1 (18:17):
This is part of the Dodger Like, how do you
honor a long time player who is who has meant
everything to the organization. He's not on a couple of
postseason rosters, but he's on the World Series roster. Obviously
you had an opening with Alex Vesi and not being
on the roster this time, So Clayton Kershaw's on there?

Speaker 4 (18:34):
Now?

Speaker 1 (18:34):
Is Kershaw on there for strategy? Yeah a little bit,
But is he on there because hey, his leadership and
maybe one game, one time we need him. Yeah, one
hundred and fifty percent.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
So that he got that out and that and that's
the end of it.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
So last night he comes in in the in the
ninth thing, tie game, bases loaded. Why did Why was
Clayton Kershaw the perfect guy at that moment? Because it
was a huge, It was a huge, huge, huge spotlight
moment in the game. The game could have gone the
other way. You needed one out from Kershaw to get
out of that inning, and then you didn't see him
the rest of the way. He gets a strikeout on

(19:13):
a cutter that's three feet outside that well, Lucas decided,
I'm gonna swing at this pitch because I'm gonna knock
Clayton Kurz into retirement, and he gets the ground out
to end the inning. Number one. This is a great
ending for Kershaw. He comes in in a moment in
which the Dodgers need him, he comes through, they win

(19:35):
the game. That's great. I guarantee you Dave Roberts is
not counting on him when they put the roster together,
not counting on him for more than that one batter.
At one point in a position where he can succeed.
Is he doing it on the road in Toronto with
a crazy crowd in the set? He's not doing it
but at home in a game in which the crowd's
gonna respond to him and he's gonna get whatever adrenaline

(19:57):
push he needs to get that fastball up to at
the low nineties as much as possible. Yeah, because you
saw Kershaw? How much did he want? Did he warm
up for that game? He warmed up twice?

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Right?

Speaker 1 (20:08):
And you know that Kershaw is a creature of habit
and being able to again just he's not a guy
who just give him the ball and I can throw
it and put me in the game.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
You know, he needs certain things.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
Now we've talked about it being as a colossal red
ass and temperamental when it comes to all of those things,
get it and it's worked to a Hall of Fame career.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
So you saw him warm up a couple of times,
and he comes in and he faces one batter and
it looked like that was all he could muster. Was
I got enough for one batter?

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Right?

Speaker 1 (20:36):
You know he's at the very very end. So seeing
that last night, I wasn't surprised. We didn't see him
again today because all of a sudden, you're gonna change
that strategy. Okay, Well, Clayton now we're thinking, can go
out and do it. And because the last thing you
want is for Clayton Kershaw to get lit up and
you lose the game.

Speaker 2 (20:55):
Well, but I mean at that point, you put him
in that position yesterday.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Right, right, But you had no exhale. Yesterday was a
position to succeed. Today was a position to fail.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Right.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
The Blue Jays were having better at bats, they had
better jump, They had the advantage today the Dodgers did not.
And you're past the point of well, Clayton coming in
would be a big lift. No, Clayton coming in last
night was the big lift. That was a position where
you take everything into account as a manager and say,
all right, is this the time where we can bring
in the best picture of our franchise is seen in
fifty years, maybe the best the best left handed pitchers,

(21:28):
Sandy Kofax are going to We can he succeed here?
Can he give us one out? Yes, one hundred percent.
This is the chance to do it. And really he
should have been the guy to come in next in
right starting pitcher has it pitched a while his arm
is live and said, nope, thanks Clayton, that's it. But again,
it looked like that was all he could muster. Now
could I see potentially a situation like later in the

(21:50):
series where you would do the same thing, not on
the road, you know, not in Toronto. So I really
think last night was the last moment you're getting for
Kershaw's career because it was everything that Dodgers could line
up to be. And you can argue whether or not
he should be on the roster for sentimental reasons, but
the overall impact of we do have relievers that aren't

(22:13):
going to pitch a lot. You know, there's enough fun
that no one's expecting an eighteen in the game, obviously,
but we do have guys that aren't expected to pitch
a lot, maybe one batter here and there, and Clayton
Kershaw was that guy. Maybe we can find a way.
But just having him on the roster, having him be
around the team, having him end his career this way
is important to the Dodgers rather than just hey Clayton, thanks,
you're not on the roster at all. That's a really

(22:36):
difficult way for him to end and for the Dodgers
to end, so to have him around where he's a
break glass in case of emergency, you break the glass once, right,
and there's the emergency. You're not breaking more glass. I
think that's the lagest time you'll see Kershaw playing Major
League basely.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I just think the hard part of all you just
said was more or less, you can't put him on
the road. He's a guy's a Hall of Favor who
had a great year, and you're basically saying, well, you
can only put him in front of the fans because
he's like Hulk Hogan that he needs to crowded, put
it behind.

Speaker 4 (23:08):
It, come on.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
But it's the same thing as high leverage relievers versus
low leverage relievers. You don't bring in low leverage guys
because you know, I don't know what they can do.
What can Kershaw do in relief is he's someone that
can come in and all of a sudden. But you
said this was a low leverage situation. Last night was
the high leverage, and now he did it. So if
you're gonna and now the.

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Possible, maybe you could steal an inning and not get
back into these guys arms, or and don't put Blake.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Trying in a position to do anything.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Needing one out when the crowd is going crazy and
the game is going your way is one thing. Putting
Kershaw in with second and third and nobody out is
a position to fail for him. That's they don't go
your way, base is loaded. You're being brought in, but
even from going against you. But this is where you
get to the strategy and the philosophy of hey, we're

(23:56):
trying to win games. Is it worth it not putting
in because you want to protect his legacy and you
don't want him to end with Well, then then the
last time they brought him in in Game four of
the World Series, they went on to lose, and he
gave up four runs in the sixth inning and suddenly
it went from a two to one game to a
six to one game. That's the last we saw Clayton
Kershaw like that. That's a that's I mean it right, right,

(24:17):
agree or disagree. That's a hard thing for the Dodgers
to deal with.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
Protecting a guy's feelings.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
If he was the better he's not just a better
option than or trying it.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Okay, you don't have a lot of great that's the thing.
You don't have a lot of.

Speaker 4 (24:29):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
You don't have a lot you, Kurt. I'd rather just
trust that he's gonna get me. Okay, let me let me.
Let me flip this around, even if it goes so,
which it did, any let me flip this around on you.
Has Clayton Kershaw being on the Dodgers World Series roster
been a success so far?

Speaker 4 (24:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, Okay, so today might not have been. So you
can say, hey, we made the right call. We kept
him out there. We put him out there when we
know when we can fire that bullet, and that's what
we did. Now, today was not a day to fight.
And maybe Kershaw, hey the day after he pitched in,
maybe I can't come back and pitch today. I just
can't do it. I'm not I'm not that guy. I
can't come back and do it. I mean really, there's

(25:06):
a lot of there's a lot of stuff that went
into that decision. I'm sure with Kershaw on the one,
no doubt. But but the point is is I don't
see another scenario in which he comes in to a
game where it's in doubt and he can do it.
Because you saw him last night and the Dodgers escape,
But what do we see He comes in, bases loaded,

(25:27):
nearly walks a guy, yeah, and and and has to
come back and and and and throw a pitch that
really should have been ball four.

Speaker 4 (25:34):
I mean it was.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
You look at the swing on that pitch by Lucas.
You go, dude, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Man?

Speaker 1 (25:38):
That's zero plate? Doesn't you just watch account get to
three and one? You watch three and two. That's a
pitch that you can see right away that is not
coming over the plate. That's not even gonna That's not
even a pitch where hey, maybe it's on the corner
or close to the corner. This is something that Will
Smith is leaning out, stopping from being a wild pitch
and stuff. No, I'm gonna get that beat on it.
I'm gonna get that.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
Beat on it.

Speaker 1 (25:59):
I mean you you escape with it last night, you
escape with it right, and you reset for today? Can
you reset with Kershaw or that that was at the moment,
Just the look there.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Were no good options. Is the demolition of a guy
at this point in his career.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
And I'm not saying he's done, right, we know he's
done after the next three games. It's just the I
got banned in trying it on my next option. Sure,
how much different is that? Sure, No, it's it's it's
not it's not. So now we're just protecting failing exactly.
You can't exactly. You can argue keeping him on the
roster because of the intangibles and finishing his career and

(26:38):
being a legend and not walking off the mound in
the playoffs and people going, yeah, Clayton was great, but
his last moment, just like his entire career, was in
the playoffs. He couldn't get enough outs.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
We wound up losing, Like you can, you can, you
can debate that, but the Dodgers can look at it
and say it's success because he helped us win Game three.
He helped us with that struggle, with that ground out
to come get out of that jam and went on
to win the game.

Speaker 4 (26:59):
Later worked. Now, are we can we push that?

Speaker 5 (27:03):
Like?

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Can we push the envelope with that? I don't know
you could push the on. It took him forever to
get ready to come into that game, and he almost
walked the guy. Okay, at least he think the other
I think he was.

Speaker 2 (27:11):
Ready, like he was waiting a long time to come
into the game.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
But then why did he not pitch, Because because clearly
in an extra inning game, Kershaw would be the guy
who was like, okay, face is one batter here, We're
putting him back out there for the night. Nope, Nope,
he's done. He's out of the game.

Speaker 4 (27:26):
That's it. He can't do it, Like, I don't know
what he's capable of.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I don't know what he can do, uh, coming in
a relief in the Yeah, no, it's all no, but
like but but but I mean.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Dismissing it, but as a road or being done to
preserve his feelings is tough, right.

Speaker 4 (27:42):
But I mean that.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
But that's but that's the thing is that you know,
whether you agree or disagree on it, like, I don't
see another situation in which he pitches again. And it's
it's weird to think, you know, every time you see
him pitch the end of the air, Wow, this is
the last time. This is the last time. I really
think last night was the last time one batter at
that moment. Are they going to bring him in the
ninth inning of a of a tie game in game
seven or you know, and and and say, hey, you

(28:05):
got to get one out here. I don't think that's
gonna happen.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
I don't think they they can trust him when the
chances of success are better than fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
I'd like to think in the ninth inning of a game.
But Sosaki's the guy that's coming into the shore.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
But if it's a lady, but who knows what kind
of All Right, let's say it's a twelve inning game.
Let's say the thirteenth inning like it was last night.
Can you bring him in for that one out?

Speaker 4 (28:27):
What else you got? Hard?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Man, that's a hard that's a hard thing to say. Okay,
and lightning one?

Speaker 5 (28:33):
Well?

Speaker 1 (28:34):
Man, can you believe the Dodgers just really quick? Can
you believe that the story last night in the eighteenth
inning was the Dodgers we're gonna go to a position
player the next inning? Like when I heard that, I
stopped that. I said, if the Dodgers do this, I
don't know that Dave Roberts can come back and manage
the next day, like you're gonna go through eighteen innings. No,
you can't bring Will Klein back another inning. But when

(28:54):
Tom Verducci was reporting, oh, the Dodgers can go to
position player, next inning the pitch.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Are you kidding me? Are you dude?

Speaker 1 (29:00):
You can't come back and manage a team again if
you have if you have miss misappropriated it so much
that you have to go to a position player.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
Where the Blue.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Jays had enough, they had a guy ready to go.
I mean he lost the game giving up the homeowner,
Freddy Freeman, but like you knew that you had enough,
They had enough for another few innings before they had
to worry about maybe it's a starting pitcher of the
next whatever. But but that talked that the Dodgers going
to go to a position player, Like I said, that's
that Dave Roberts, and they might have a new manager
for Game four if they if they do that and
they lose this game, I mean, that's why I was

(29:29):
so glad to see Will Klein come in to pitch
that last inning, and really you knew that was it
for him. They would have to make another decision after that,
because he gave everything he could, you know, and that
last you could tell, really you could tell he was
just at the end, like can you get one more
pitch out of the guy. So I was really glad
that happened, because boy, I can't imagine what that was
going to be, what the impact of that was going

(29:50):
to be. Eighteen innings and then here's Key k Hernandez
or Miguel Rojas to pitch in the nineteenth and yeah,
but it would.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
Have been that fun, Oh man, that would have been
come on game full of storylines. For that to be
the closing act. How great would that be? Wouldn't have
been great for the Dodgers.

Speaker 4 (30:08):
You don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
He pitches a perfect inning, strikes all three guys out there.
You had no idea, Man, the keyk Hernandez sweeper was
really working in that game.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
He was he might come out for another inning. Year.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Tell how to find out what's trending in the wide
world of sports. But guy's been called the Key k
Hernandez a Fox Sports Radio. When he's on the mound,
he wears that big crazy helmet too. It's Steve di
Sego Simon.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
Toronto beat the Dodgers in LA six to the final
in Game four of the World Series Series, even at
two games apiece. Shane Bieber the winning pitcher five and
a third innings, one run. This is a guy who
was a cy Young Award winner in Cleveland. He had
only seven starts this regular season after Tommy John Surgery
acquired at the trade deadline, and he's from southern California,

(30:53):
and one at Dodgers Stadium tonight. At Seattle recently, he
went six innings with eight strikeouts, but then in Game
seven the Alcs didn't last through the fourth, got the
victory tonight, and Bieber becomes the first pitcher in MLB
history to miss at least the first four months of
the season injured and still win a World Series game
that same year. It'll be rookie trey Ya Savage in

(31:16):
Game five in LA Wednesday against veteran Blake Snell, who
is one to say younger too. Friday. Toronto will be
hosting Game six tonight. By the way, Vladimir Gurero Junior
an early two run homer he's betting four nineteen this postseason.
In the NBA's late game, mid third quarter at Golden
State Warriors ahead of the Clippers sixty to fifty seven
despite twenty points from James Harden. Only four other games,

(31:38):
Oklahoma City is five and oh after beating Sacramento one
oh seven to one oh one. Shay Gilgess Alexander scored
thirty one points. Chet Holmgern of OKC was out with
back tightness. Milwaukee got thirty seven points from Janisantenacumpo and
defeated New York won twenty one to one eleven. Jalen
Brunson thirty six points in defeat. Karl Anthony Towns went

(31:58):
two for twelve shooting from the floor. Miami rips Charlotte
one forty four to one seventeen, and Philadelphia is four
to oh after an overtime win at Washington one thirty
nine one thirty four. Tyrese Maxi with thirty nine points.
As for the NHL, every team in the league is
playing tonight. That's sixteen games total. Utah was eight and

(32:19):
two but lost at Edmonton six to three. New Jersey
was eight and one this year but lost to Colorado
eight to four. Dallas at home a won nothing winner
against Washington, Winnipeg beat Minnesota in overtime, Philadelphia in a
shootout over Pittsburgh, and it's currently the LA Kings leading
late second period three to two at San Jose. A

(32:40):
reminder This Saturday on Fox TV, Number one Ohio State
host Penn State at noon Eastern time. The first college
football playoff rankings come out in a week. The top
six this week in the media poll and the UPA
you know, the coaches poll and the AP pol. They
come out and they have a preseason. They have absolutely
no meaning to the season one, not at all. What

(33:01):
did the Reuters polls say? She may as well get
two guys on the corner. How do you think Ohio
State looked last week?

Speaker 4 (33:08):
Had great? Did you know they were off last weekend?

Speaker 5 (33:12):
No?

Speaker 4 (33:12):
That kind of thing is how the voting listen.

Speaker 1 (33:15):
James Franklin's going to have Penn State ready for this
Ohio State showdown, you mark my word.

Speaker 4 (33:19):
We all just want to be one of those fired coaches.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
At this point, the top six stayed the same in
the new College Football polls, led by Ohio State.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
No.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
LSU is not ranked anymore, but Vanderbilt is number nine,
its highest ranking in the Ape Pole since nineteen thirty seven.
The New Orleans Saints will start rookie quarterback Tyler Shuck
at the Rams Sunday. He played seven years of college
football at Oregon, Texas Tech, and Louisville. Finally, Spencer Rattler
was bench during the last game as a pro. His
record is one and thirteen. Washington quarterback Jaden Daniels is

(33:50):
due to return to practice Wednesday after his hamstring injury.
The Commanders had no update on wide receiver Terry McLaurin,
who reaggravated his quad injury last night, and Ravens quarter
back Lamar Jackson practice fully. He's due to return to
play this Thursday night at Miami after missing three games
with a hamstring injury. Dolphins linebacker Bradley Chubb is expected
to play after shoulder and foot injuries.

Speaker 4 (34:11):
Back to you, Thank you, Steve O.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
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That's next Jason and Mike Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 4 (34:35):
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Speaker 1 (34:46):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon. Hey, hey,
ty Shirt, how close are we for holiday music. When
are you gonna start your holiday music day after Halloween?
What holiday are we talking about? Good Christmas? When Holliday?

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Oh god? No holiday holiday?

Speaker 5 (35:01):
No?

Speaker 4 (35:01):
Really? Oh god?

Speaker 5 (35:02):
No?

Speaker 4 (35:03):
Okay, well, I mean we still got to get to
the Halloween music. I mean this is part of it.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
I mean after Halloween, like after Halloween, like like the
day after Halloween. Yeah, after Thanksgiving, because that's usually when
all the all all the big holiday music flips over.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Yeah, the holiday. Yeah, November December.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Okay, so that'd but usually you like to do things
a little bit differently, So I thought you would get
him in November.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
Oh dude, I might play tomorrow. Okay, sure, you never
knows a wild wonderful Do.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
You like holiday musically as long as it's here's the thing,
just like anything, as long as there are good holiday songs.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Yeah, see, I'm good with all of it. Right.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's like going to a concert, to services whatever, Like
all the energy is going in the same direction. Holidays
get people generally are happy. Yeah, okay, generally, But like
if I could do I mean, am I gonna listen
to Burl Lives?

Speaker 4 (35:57):
Why not? I don't Maybe never hall Jolly, I don't know.
Like you think of it as a snowman.

Speaker 6 (36:04):
Yeah, sure, yeah, the only song Christopher Lee Maybe Doku Christmas,
A very count Doku Christmas.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
Yeah, I know that's like like those are those are Christmas.
I will say though, Ai has made some great ones
this year.

Speaker 4 (36:22):
Okay, okay, wait, all right, I'm excited. I'm terrified, kind
of scary. All right.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Uh so we'll get back into the Game four of
the World Series coming up in a few minutes. But tonight,
big marquee game of the night in the NBA. Jannis
goes for thirty seven in a row and the Bucks
pull away from the Knicks a two point game with
about four minutes left. They wound up winning by ten,
and Jannis suddenly is Oh Jannis, remember he's the best
player in the league. Okay, first of all, that's great.

(36:49):
Joanna's had a great game. Awesome, Jannis has been the
best player for a long time. He's losing that crown
to Wemby. It's happening, Okay, I mean, yes, big game tonight,
it's awesome. Yes, right, And this doesn't mean that Yannis
is any worse. This is not that all of a
sudden all yan is know. This is well, but if
he's not the best, Wemby is ascending to pass him.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
We're seeing it.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
You're seeing Wenby put up Redis numbers and the Spurs
are for the Spurs are undefeated.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Man, I told you they are my long shot NBA five.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
But Austin Reeves might have him beat Yeah, that's yes,
if he scores fifty a game.

Speaker 4 (37:22):
If he scores fifty, that he's.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Gonna have to carry him for a while because neither
of those guys are neither. They're big guys, are playing
a lot of games right now. But but look it
is is Yani is still that great? Yeah he is,
But just Wemby is ascending and he's going to pass
him sometime the next couple of weeks. He it's a
great reminder from Yannis. But Wemby is ascending faster than
anybody thought he was. I thought it would be some
point this year. Now it's gonna probably be my November.

Speaker 4 (37:46):
Now.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Was I upset tonight that Jannis went for thirty seven
beat the Knicks?

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (37:50):
I never want the Nicks to seven in a row,
but Caitlyn's in there with a dead guy on them,
and uh, but I realized that this is Yannis score
thirty seven against the team, He's gonna be scoring thirty
seven to four after the deadline, all right, because you
know all the stories about Giannis and the Knicks, and
it didn't happen in the offseason, And clearly I'm sure

(38:11):
the Knicks philosophy was, we hired a new coach, we
have the talent, we have guys we like. We want
to play this out a little bit. If things get
crazyy of the deadline and we're underachieving, we need some Okay,
let's revisit. And I'm sure the Bucks said, great. The
Knicks have a lot of young talent on the team.
The Knicks have to trade a couple of big players
to make it work. Okay, we have the players to
make a big trade for Yannis work and the Bucks

(38:32):
if that's where Jannis wants to go, Jannis is, okay,
I'm good here for a while. I like it here,
but boy, if I get to New York and win,
that'd be awesome. And already tonight I saw I felt
like like speaking of holidays, like I was Scrooge getting
that glimpse of a ghost of Christmas future where Jannis
plays great and what happens tonight, Karl Anthony Towns was
not he had you know, he had a couple of

(38:53):
meltdowns during the game, and I'm just saying to myself,
this is how it's gonna be for cat all season, right,
not knowing if the Knicks are gonna continue to love him,
if they're gonna try to ship him out. It was
awkward last year. He's not a great defender, you know,
he and Bruntson together are not great defenders. And just
seeing tonight, I said, I can see the next few
months going like this with the Knicks are winning, but

(39:14):
they're not winning enough, and Karl Anthony Towns is not
showing in his second year that he's got some level
of growth to him and that the Knicks can can
win NBA title with Brunson being the one and him
being the one. A. So at the deadline, what's gonna happen.
Karl Anthony Towns, Ogian Unobi, somebody else are gonna wind
up getting dealt to the Bucks because if Jannis wants

(39:35):
to go, you got to get a couple of good
players for him. You got to find a way to
do that and get guys in the year you're paying
money to make the salaries match. The Knicks can make
all of that happen, and they will go overboard to
bring Giannis in because Giannis would then be the missing
piece of the Knicks, because you can't fall short in
a year where this year to get to the finals,
because you know, eventually Tatum's gonna come back, Haliburton's coming back.

Speaker 4 (39:55):
The match.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
You're getting better, right, all these teams, everybody's getting better
in the East. This is your year. You can't blow
that window. So that's what I thought tonight was, Yeah,
I'm okay because in a few months, if things go bad,
we're getting young. It's all good.

Speaker 2 (40:08):
Yeah, I mean if the Bucks trade Yannis and get
Cat back, I know, I know the whole salary thing,
but if he becomes the focal point of their.

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Roster, it would be like, no, b it would be
somebody else, Like it would be a couple of really
good players like that. You're not gonna get a ton,
you know, I mean, you're not gonna get crazy crazy.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
But I'm saying, like, you don't want Cat, He's a guy.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Unfortunately, you're gonna get like you can't get rid of
whatever one one egg two whatever.

Speaker 4 (40:36):
Trade too. It could be exactly, he's got to pass
through Milwaukee. He can't.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
You can't say that's what we got for.

Speaker 4 (40:45):
That is not going over.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
It just just saying, you know, without getting a third
team involved, the Knicks have the pieces to make the
money work with talent and the salary.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
I'm saying, we watched him. He's been very good at times.
He's also disappeared in big spots playoffs in the past.
We talk about his defense he Ian Bronson. Well, they
look what they did. They killed Carl.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Yeah, yeah, no, they did. They did. But like I said, killers,
I'm no deadens.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Either we're great and we don't trade, or in three
months we have Giannest and then you won't come up. Dude,
I'm good. I'm good man, I'm not. I am eaton
w's like Jamis Winston, Man, I got all kinds of
w's ws wsw's coming up next. Speaking to WS, we
get back to Game four of the World Series and
a big
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