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November 12, 2025 40 mins

Maybe the Luka trade by Nico Harrison was the gutsiest trade we've seen in 20 years? Jets head coach Aaron Glenn fails his press conference. And Jason pays tribute to superstar Sugar Ray Richardson!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
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Speaker 1 (00:29):
Greetings, Welcome in side hour too, the Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
And uh here we are for another.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Eight pm Pacific eleven pm Eastern time tip off. Yeah,
for the NBA on Peacock. It's fantastic. This game's in Hawaii, right, No,
it's actually it's actually in Russia where it's actually tomorrow morning.
It's so far behind Miss Travia, the Nugget, the Nuggets
and the Kings coming at you on Peacock. Uh yeah,

(01:04):
I really want to see what the metrics were for
viewership at you know, eleven o'clock at night, eight o'clock
on the coast, West coast.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Uh. Yeah, again, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I don't think you want to start things as late
as possible. I think you think you're okay starting something
a little bit earlier, so you get people on the
East coast stap and watch. Man, I mean you want
you want people to watch the game. That's number one.
The opens are great and round ball rock is great,
and Marv Albert back doing voiceovers for games. Put the
voiceover for the Sixers and the and the Celtics today.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Like that's great. But man, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
I don't you want to say, hey, we're gonna start
as late as possible. I don't know that that's a
great business model.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Well, the stars actually gonna play in this one because
that was something that was also missing.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Yeah, no, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't say I was missing it. No, no, no, no, no,
not missing at all. So coast to coast Tuesdays on
uh game, that's gonna this game?

Speaker 3 (01:59):
Are they gonna talk a.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Hopefully it's over before we get off the air, but
you never know. I mean it's kind of fun for
us that, hey we start do an hour and now
we got an actual line. Absolutely, we've got goods, yeah,
with good players that are playing it.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
But where we get some they roll of our vetus
back when he was on the NBA on NBC.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
I mean, just just think about this. Where the push
the last few years, with the changes in television viewership
and habits, has been, hey, let's start stuff early. Right,
We're starting World Series games at five point thirty on
the West Coast, right, like Dodger games are wow, man,
but they want you want the West coast to watch,
you want people to see it. Okay, so we're sucking

(02:41):
it up for that, right. Okay, if you're going to
the Dodger, gave me. I'm getting off work early, going
to going to see the Dodger World Series game or
whether it's the forty nine ers in the playoff, whatever
it is on Thursday night football, Monday night football. But
I don't know a world where where they set They
sat down in the meeting and said, yeah, coast to coast,
what does that mean? East coast, West Coast game?

Speaker 3 (03:00):
Great?

Speaker 1 (03:00):
What are we gonna do? We're gonna start the East
coast game at four thirty five?

Speaker 3 (03:04):
Great?

Speaker 1 (03:04):
What about the West Coast game eight o'clock?

Speaker 4 (03:06):
Ooh, that's uh, that's pretty late. Yeah, it's all right.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
We've looked at some metrics that the viewership in the
East go.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
Yeah, but you.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Still want people to watch, and I know the average
person if a game starts at ten, oh, I'll watch
some of the game before I go to bed. If
it's a great game and Yokic is going nuts, you'll
watch more of it. But if I know, oh, the
game's not starting till eleven, Yeah, I'm going to bed.
I'm taking a shower, I'm gonna watch the local news.
I'm gonna take a look at the weather. I'm gonna
do crossword puzzle. I'm gonna go to bed, like just

(03:36):
the mental the how much, how daunting it is to
go from Yeah, ten o'clock, I'll watch a little bit
of it too. Oh eleven o'clock, forget it. I'm not
evena turning on.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
I really want Tom taking deeper dive into the metrics
in the demographics of who watches in the because we
want to make sure we take care of the second
shifters and third shifters too, So we want everybody to
get involved as we're watching this, because this might be
a game someone gets to watch before they go into
work on the overnight. I mean, I don't know. You know,

(04:08):
you're trying to serve all audiences, and I wonder what
percentage you're you're talking about that gets sluffed off as well,
because they may just say we've got critical mass. Oh,
and they offered us a lot of money, because you
always gotta remember that in terms of the it gets
paid for at this point. So if proof of concept

(04:28):
is wrong, that'll be worked out in the next television deal.
Oh no, it won't because the next company's gonna come
by and bid even more.

Speaker 3 (04:37):
So.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Uh, okay, so there is no problem. Okay, we'll see,
we'll see, we'll see how this goes. We'll see how
we'll see how long this coast to coast eleven pm
start gost We'll see how long the coast We'll see.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
But we get to watch Nikola jokicch at eight o'clock
Pacific time.

Speaker 3 (04:51):
Oh, I don't care, but I get it.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
But the West coast you're gonna watch seven thirty eight o'clock,
East eight o'clock. There's no difference.

Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, but East coast. This gets you past the bat
had comedians. You don't have to watch late night dvate.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Is Nate Bergott's on with uh with Jimmy fallon tonight?

Speaker 3 (05:06):
No that I'll watch the game.

Speaker 4 (05:08):
Guys that are gonna laugh at themselves and move on.
I know here you watch live Sports, should have it
twenty four to seven. So there's a random college basketball
when's it tipping off?

Speaker 3 (05:19):
One?

Speaker 4 (05:19):
Am?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Well, college basketball games are over in like seventy five minutes,
so it's okay, you know it most a little bit longer,
you know, uh, but we'll have more on this game
throughout the show. You got jokicch tipping off here at
eight o'clock everything.

Speaker 4 (05:31):
Yeah, no, it's great. He's got the little van Dijke going.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
But how about a hot take on the Luka Doncics
trade due to the fact that, Hey, Nico Harrison got
fired today as general manager of the Mavericks.

Speaker 4 (05:46):
I got a good run.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Nobody, Well, he's.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Gonna get paid, Yeah, but getting paid and having a
good run forever? Did Barry's he doo have a good run?
Or did Barry's he don't get here? He plays a
good guitar? Did Mike Hampton have a runner? Did Mike
Hampton get paid?

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Both? Like Mike Hampton was a good picture, Yeah, and then.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
He was done. But he had to be good but
to get paid.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Yeah, But you say good run meaning a run is
you start and then you finish. There's no finishing. Midway
through the running. We're done, but you still got more
of the race.

Speaker 4 (06:18):
It doesn't got picked up by a private car and
off he went. Harrison, he's gonna be in He's edged
an NBA history dude. The guy is never going to
get a job again. Incorrect, He is never Okay, he
is never going to get a job where he has
any control over personnel decisions. A disagree and.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
When they when you're a GM, you can't just show
up and go how many how many copies do you
want for the meeting, mister Smith? Oh you better double
side at four copies?

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Okay, Greg, I'll go down because you're gonna be able
to go and make the argument of why you made
the move and why it was proved.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
He's not gonna do it.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Now, Jason.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
The guy's getting a statue. He is, I'm telling you right,
which means he'll get another job so he doesn't need
all that other garbage. And I want it to just
stand outside the statue pictures with Nicos.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
I wanted to be like an Avengers, where like there's
a big fight and and and like the scarlet Witch
can animate the Nico statue to fight the bad guys,
like like like ant Man turns in the Giant Man
and he falls down. We talk, but like cause the
fight is in downtown LA. Like the Scarlet Witch rest
in peace. The Scarlet Witch can come back and say, hey,
did you know, Well, well she's dead now right, but

(07:24):
she'll go be back. That's what I'm saying. She's coming back.
She showed an anime animates the Nico Harrison statue to
go fight. That would be really cool. But how about
this take on the Nico Harrison trade. It's going down
as the worst trade that many of us have seen
in the NBA in the last twenty years, But look

(07:45):
at it from this perspective, Nico Harrison, this might be
instead the gutsiest trade we've seen in the NBA in
twenty years because Nico Harrison had to know this could fail.
Likely it's going to fail from the perspective of we're
not gonna trade Luca away and he's gonna fade out right. Normally,

(08:09):
when you make trades like this, the GM person in
charge of the deal is someone who says, hey, we're
trading this guy away. Now watch what happens when he
gets to a different location, He's not the same guy,
doesn't put the work in anymore. He's not gonna be
the same stor he was with us. But go back
to why the Dallas Mavericks made this trade. The relationship
between Luca and the Mavericks wasn't great, right, go back

(08:32):
to the Michael Finley, I'm taking the beer away from
you after you make it to the NBA Finals. It
wasn't great. Was Luca gonna sign a big extension with
them for three hundred and fifty million dollars?

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (08:46):
Was it gonna be worth it for the Mavericks because
the Mavericks are worried that we're gonna give him all
this money and he's just gonna stay out of shape.
He's not gonna be able to play. He's not gonna
be healthy. His body is going to break down. They
know Luca better than anybody. Do you really think after
getting them to an NBA Finals they wanted to trade
Luka Doncic. No, of course not. But so i'm i'm

(09:08):
I'm I'm willing to give the benefit of not the
Digo Harrison knew going in. This is where Luca is.
He's extremely powerful in this franchise. He's not taking care
of his body. He's missing a lot of games. We're
gonna sign him to a big extension, and who knows
how healthy he's gonna be. And it's gonna be a
pit of money that we gave to this guy and
we're gonna rue this. So I'm gonna trade him away now,

(09:30):
knowing full well that what's gonna happen is because Luca's
twenty five, it's gonna get his attention. He's gonna go
someplace new. He's going to understand that, Wow, I've been
giving my career away. I gotta get healthy. I gotta
be someone that stays in shape. I gotta stay on
the court. I want that three hundred and fifty million
dollar extension at some point. I gotta make sure I

(09:50):
take care of my body and be a leader. He
knew full well that's what was likely going to happen
when he traded Luka Doncic away. It doesn't mean that
that's who Luca was gonna be with the Mavericks. When
you trade him away to a team, hey, he could
pick it up and he could wind up being that
guy and being great. And boy, it's a difficult trade
for us. But I'm gonna go under the plan that

(10:12):
I'm making the right move, I'm getting a superstar and
understanding that as we build this team, the fans will
forgive and come back. As we mentioned last hour, that's
why he got fired because the fans never came back.
They still hated the team. You can't you can't run
a team where the fans are pissed off at the
team all the time, and you can't have a daily
reminder of a trade that's still no one's forgotten about

(10:34):
all these months later. So that's why Nicol Harrison had
to go. That's what the Mavericks and Nico Harrison didn't
take into account for was that the negativity for this
trade was gonna hang over things for this long to
where we have no choice but to fire you.

Speaker 3 (10:46):
So we move on.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
But you think about the trade, it's incredibly gutsy because
this was the vision Nico Harrison had for This is
how we're gonna get good. This is what we can do.
We got an All NBA player here, we got picks,
we got what we wanted. Now we lucked into Cooper Flagg. Okay,
everything's gonna be great for us, but it hasn't, so
knowing he knows how this was gonna go, he knows

(11:09):
that this was gonna be a situation where Luka Doncic
is gonna leave and was gonna start doing things the
right way, and he still made the trade anyway, right,
So from that I can say, Wow, that's incredibly gutsy
because that's a fall on the sword trade because he
knows if this doesn't go well, I could wind up
paying for it with my job. But I know this
is the right vision for this team because whatever Luke's

(11:29):
doing for the Lakers wherever his next team, he's not
gonna do that for us. And if he plays that
out in some kind of sliding doors where you see
the one reality where he's a Maverick and one reality
where he's a Laker and you get the guy from
the Mummy who's gonna be singing songs and somehow be
paired up with Gwyneth Peltrow, that doesn't make sense in
any aspect of life. Hey, this sliding door thing. If
he stayed here, it wasn't gonna go like this. But

(11:51):
that's why it's gutsy because he knew this could completely
blow up, and still he did it anyway?

Speaker 4 (11:56):
Yeah, first with your sliding doors thing. Have you never
watch the sitcom? Hell, you can watch cartoons. Go back
and watch the Flintstones. I mean, come on, but Ron
about that front. But he's not gonna like that front.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
You're gonna try. You're gonna trade local front.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I just liked in their early days when it was
black and white and they were shilling for cigarettes. He is,
he is leaned up against the wall and he's smoking.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
But all of that.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
For for Nico Harrison's like you did the calculus and
to your point about whether Luca was ever going to
recognize what he needed to do to be that eighty
two game plus playoff run guy, and that you'd have
a team surrounding him once you paid him commensurately. Uh
to rise back to the Western Conference finals and and

(12:43):
to have that opportunity. Maybe maybe not. But you're looking
at it from a couple of different equations. Right, You've
got the winning part of it and how much you
want to win versus the business sense. Right of the
three hundred and fifty million dollars, are you gonna get
full value? What con Institute's full value is really at
the heart of it. But if you are trying to

(13:04):
build a winner, it's unfortunate Kyrie Irving gets hurt, right,
But that's part of the calculus as you're building this out.
Anthony Davis is only going to be available x percentage
of the time. Kyrie Irving's going to be available x
percent of the time. Klay Thompson, once upon a time
hit a jump shot that doesn't happen anymore, nor can
he play defense the way he once did. So all

(13:25):
of that it ages badly. You get Cooper Flagg, so
you get a short term respite and a little bit
of love because the basketball gods or ping pong balls
fell on your side and gave you this opportunity. Again,
one of the way we talk about coast to coast basketball,

(13:46):
it's only appropriate that we have our guy on AM
six forty KFI Coast to Coast where we're talking about
aliens and all sorts of conspiracy theories. So, but Cooper
flag is going to be a tremendous player. You've seen flashes,
you've seen him grow. The problem is around him, everything,
all the other ancillary parts aged badly and quickly to where, yeah,

(14:09):
you knew short term you were gonna wear it like no,
there's no question about it, and now you're hoping against
hope that they just never find the finish line.

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(14:40):
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we'll get to that big NFL story in the second,
but I want to get get to this for a
couple seconds, because this is something that's just really eerie today.
One of the big headlines in the NBA legend Michael

(16:13):
Ray Richardson, former Knicks Nets All Star. Many players of
the eighties called him the best guard they played against
Isaiah Thomas said, Dad, he passed away today at the
age of seventy.

Speaker 4 (16:24):
Hell of a career. I mean you're talking about a
guy who played professionally for what nearly thirty years.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Yeah, I mean, you know, obviously he had difficulty. He
was banned from the NBA for drug usage, and he
went and played overseas.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
But he was the Knicks big.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Star when I first started watching basketball, right late seventies,
early eighties, and Knicks were absolutely terrible. Right, this is
a terrible team. But Sugar Ray Richardson was the guy
and kind of before his time because he was someone
who was like an eighteen seven and seven guy, terrific
defensive player, like he could do it all man. He
was when I started watching, he made me want to

(17:01):
be a point guard. So when I played basketball from
then on, in fifth grade, middle school, high school, we
played like he made me want to be a point guard.
Do I want to be the guy with the ball?
I want to be the guy at the top of
the key defending everybody. I want to be that guy.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Right, So you wanted to play keep away and control things.
Get that seeing Sugar Ray Richardson like he was my guy,
Like you know, it's and it's I just think about
you know, my guys, they're all they're all dying now,
My sugar, Ray Richardson died, Mike Bossi died, and Tom
Seaver died. It's just he had such he was so good, sugar,
Ray Richardson, And to think about this just for a

(17:33):
second last night before the show, and Alex Tyshert's going
to pop on here for a second before the show.
It came in and came in to say hi to
to Rob and and Kelvin and the guys in the studio.
And Rob Gera is the producer of The Odd Couple,
and him and Ty Shirts sitting next to other, and
we had this quick conversation about the Lakers Celtics rivalry
in the eighties, like they were doing a topic on

(17:54):
the show. And I said, oh man, the Laker Celtics
rivalries were something, uh you know, basically it broke down
along coastal lines.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
Like if you were on the.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
East Coast you were a Celtics fan, you rooted for
Larry Bird and McHale and Dennis Johnson. In Parish and
the West coast you root it for Magic Johnson. The
Lakers right, that's kind of way it went. And Ty Shirt,
you said to me, so wait, you root it for
the Celtics. I go, well, when the playoffs came, the
Knicks were never in it. So in the early eighties,
like you watch, you know, the Celtics were great, the
Knicks back, they were in a couple of times. Man,

(18:23):
it's just a couple of times. And who did I
say to you is my favorite player last night? Who
did I say, because my guy was Sugar Ray Richardson,
Like he was the best player the Knicks had. Man,
I mean, the Knicks were really bad, but boy was
he really really good. Last the first time I've talked
about him. I don't know the last time. Because I
told that story to my wife today. She goes, I've
known you for thirty five years. I have never heard

(18:44):
you say his name, and you said it last night.
I said, yeah, I said it last night. And today
I saw the I get online. I'm like, oh my god,
the guy died, Like that was the guy who told
you about last night? It was, I mean, it was.
I can't get over that that. I'm again, I don't
know the last time I talked about Sugar Ray Richardson
I really don't, but I brought it up last night
to them talking about the rivalry, and I wake up

(19:05):
to them like, you you've got to be kidding me.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
I'm just gonna call Michael Ray and distance him from
the Sugar.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Well that was a whole thing because that was Sugar
Ray Leonard was a big deal back then. So that's
why I got Yeah but what mean yeah, well okay, yeah,
but that was still his nickname at the time.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
I'm calling him Michael Ray.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
You know, I'm remembering him as the basketball and then
he spelled his name differently, like he wanted to go first,
he went back to the A and then you know, see,
I think secretly some of the teachers that I encountered
in school were Michael Ray Richardson fans because they would
spell Michael the other way. Well I don't spell it
that way.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, fine, whatever, But yeah, man, you're talking about a
guy who both ends of the court, big time contributions.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Unfortunately, Uh, your my bulls, your nicks not not very good.
But when they got together, boy, yeah, they'd fight like
kats and dogs.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
No they're not, they're not. They're they're not good.

Speaker 4 (19:59):
Now, they were good, which is why everybody gravitated to Lakers'.

Speaker 1 (20:03):
Hey, the Celtics are in the playoffs, let's watch. I
just remember a drunken family member running way after we
advanced in the playoffs. We went to the old Stadium
and he's chanting beat Boston and suddenly had more fans
and friends around him than he ever did before. But
your Knicks, yeah, they were.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
They were not good.

Speaker 3 (20:22):
You know what did good things.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
I mean he was one short, terrifically watts and.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
He could do everything. He did it, He did it all.
It was great defensively. This is who the Knicks were
in the early eighties. You know how the Clippers put
out that season ticket package few years ago. We still
talk about where it was. Hey we stink, but come
see the best teams in sports. They did all the time.
The advertisement in the newspaper.

Speaker 3 (20:44):
That's what it was. For the Knicks.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
It was, Oh, the Knicks are playing the sixer tonight.
Doctor Jase, Doctor j Oh, Doctor Jay's on Channel nine.
I gotta watch the nixt night because they're playing. They're
gonna get killed, but I can see doctor j play
all right, great, Like that's what it was. Oh, they're
playing the Celtics again tonight. They're gonna get killed. But man,
you get to see McHale and Parish do their thing
like That's what it was to watch the Knicks in
the early as until they got you ing, That's what

(21:07):
it was.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
The Patrick man when he came in to put it
in perspective, he so loved the game of basketball and
traveled the globe to do it. Nineteen seventy eight was
when he made his debut. Finished in two thousand and two. Yeah,
it's a long time, stops across continents and many a
country guy saw.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
A lot of basketball. Rest in peace, Sugar, Ray Richardson,
Jason Smith, Mike Harmon, Live from the Fox Sports Radio Studios. Uh,
now to a time where you know a head coach
continues to be in over his head today because you
know the Jets can have nice things, Oh you coach, No,
no Jets can out No Fran Brown. Come on, man,

(21:47):
he's a whole kind of stu. Aaron Glenn not happy
that certain injury information is led out to the public
before the Jets have had a chance to talk about it.
Specifically Garrett Wilson. We know he's now out for at
least a month after a knee injury on Sunday, and
Rich Samini, longtime Jets beat reporters, been I think with

(22:09):
the Post for forty years.

Speaker 4 (22:10):
Yeah, Buddy and j Cole back and forth all the time.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
It was he was the guy that had the story.
And when he does his weekly press conference today on Tuesday,
and he's asked about injuries this week for certain players,
Aaron Glenn so upset figures that, well, don't ask me,
ask Rich Samini, our new insider, because apparently he's got

(22:34):
all the answers.

Speaker 5 (22:35):
I'm going to pass on talking about the injuries since
you're Rich.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
He's not here.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
He has all the answers, so you can, guys can
get all the injuries from Rich.

Speaker 3 (22:46):
So I go right into this gang candidate for I
or or is that not something you.

Speaker 5 (22:52):
Want to ask Rich? Well, I'm telling you that's Rich here, boy,
you better call him.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
No disrespect to you or like we want to hear
it from you, you know, like you.

Speaker 5 (23:02):
Guys have been here, you guys have been hearing from me.
But now since we're just reporting stuff you know that
I haven't said and maybe you should ask you.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
Ask Rich, just as Rich to me, he's got all
you got it all shouldn't get you. And Woody Johnson
fired this man just insider. You know, here's here's the thing. Okay,
So here's Eric.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
That's the heat you're that mad about that.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
He was someone who the job was too much for him.
And I said at the beginning of the year, when
you're not going for it, when you're not when you're
not throwing a Hail Mary and deciding to go to halftime,
you do it a couple of times and some of
your decision making. I know the job is too much
for you, but like some other coaches, they grow into

(23:45):
the job. And I knew I had no choice because
he has the backing of Woody Johnson and Darren Moogie. Right,
he's the They're gonna allow him to make whatever personemos
they wanted. They didn't make any of these trades of
Sauce Gardener and Quentin Williams without getting his blessing because
right or wrong, and a lot of it's wrong. He's
got carte blanche right now because he's the head coach

(24:07):
that Woody Johnson likes.

Speaker 3 (24:09):
So I can.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
Dislike it, but I have I gotta get used to it,
because apparently he's here now. The last couple of weeks,
I thought he's turning the corner a little bit. Some
of his game management's been a little bit better. Some
things he's done. Some of the play calling that they
have has been a little bit better. You know, they
won a couple of games in a row, and then
you get this here, which is just such elementary knucklehead

(24:30):
first year coach. I don't know. We have leaks in
the building and reporters know things. Dude, is this your
day one? Are you, Frankie? First year in the NFL?
This is the first time you hear and you've got
a report that a reporter has out there. I mean,
this shouldn't surprise you. This shouldn't be something that you
want to You want to go to war on and
stand on this hill on. Yeah, once in a while,

(24:51):
you're gonna get things that are gonna get said that
are broken that you don't want broken. This is injury
information that's out there. Sometimes it gets out there how
it goes. I'm sure it happened with the Lions. I'm
sure you've seen it when you played for the Jets.
I'm sure you've seen it all your coaching stops throughout
your life. But now, oh, I'm gonna be mad and
I'm gonna make it combative with the media. Just ask

(25:12):
Rich Rich has Rich Samani's been there for forty years.
He has outlasted every Jets head coach and will outlast you.
That's Rich Samani. This is how this is how it goes.
And I see this and I go, dude, you know
this is how it goes.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
In the NFL.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
You want to be mad about it, I get it.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
But to be petulant and to act like a like
a kid like Aaron Glenn, Come on, man, just when
you start getting a couple of weeks under your belt
where I think, okay, maybe it's not completely out of
his depth. Though, let's go back here and let's watch
him have a fit because Rich Semini had an injury ISSU.
You know, sometimes sometimes agents say things, sometimes players say things.

(25:51):
I get you want to control the message. Guess what
you're not gonna be able to. This is not the
Patriots of the early two thousands, where there's one voice
and it's Bill Belichick and that's all you got.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
That's not this case.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
I know you're trying to be the guy in charge
of the entire operation. That's not gonna happen. Man, you
gotta I see this, and I'd say, you gotta just
understand what it means to be a head coach and
pick your battles. This is why you see I see
guys like Ben Johnson succeeding because like, okay, he's learned
his lessons the first two three weeks, like I've seen it,
that's been he's been terrific. He has learned this is

(26:20):
what I can do, this is what I can't do.
In the last six eight weeks has been a huge
adjustment for him, and this is why the Bears are good.
Like you gotta be able to understand, pick your battles.
Don't go crazy over stuff like this all the time.

Speaker 4 (26:31):
Yeah, I mean this one.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
You want to address the team, You want to address
different personnel and try to talk to them about Hey,
anything where we can maybe gain a little bit of
an advantage by not letting all of our our injury
issues out into public, all the better. But the reality
is Rich Simdi was there.

Speaker 4 (26:49):
You know what, he started five years before Aaron Glenn
he gan his fifteen year career as a player. Okay,
he was there to welcome you in when you are
fresh face rookie for the Jets all those years ago
in nineteen ninety four, already was going into his sixth
year with the team and covering the team at that point.

(27:09):
So Rich and maybe he's got beef with Rich going
all the way back to his playing days. I don't know,
But we talked with Jay Guizer all the time about
it being how big a relationship business it is. Everything
is right, no matter what you do for a living,
whatever you're doing out there making your ways on the
highways and byways. We appreciate you being part of the family.

(27:30):
But you recognize it right, you know, the kill him
with kindness, you know, a lesson that we sometimes forget.
But in this business, if you've got someone inside the building,
and let's face it, a lot of the players do
it themselves, going to social media or telling a jackass
buddy as they walk out, guess what, there's a reporter

(27:52):
standing there.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
Because you know.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
Who's learned that lesson is Mike Tomlin, right, Mike Tomlin
used to hate the fact that stuff would get leak.
Rotha Burger telling the postcase atte Ned Bouchette like he would.

Speaker 4 (28:02):
Hate that good old.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
But after a while he is tamped it down because
he gets, Okay, I'm not going to win this war.
Once in a while I have a snarky comment about
the median injuries, but he gets it. This is not
a battle that should that I should be fighting.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
This is not.

Speaker 1 (28:15):
So this is where you can know that I'm displeased
about it, but this is just how it goes in
the NFL. And Aaron Glenn, who was fighting so much
of a war, I'm like, dude, you gotta understand that
this is not If this is your first day in
the NFL, I get it, but it's not. And I
just look at this and I go, oh, man, I
really thought we were getting somewhere. I really thought we
had progress, and now we don't have progress.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
No, but make your statement about Rich, But then you've
got all these other working media that are asking you
for your quote, for your information whatever. Being a petty
child doesn't help your cause because guess what, the next
sixth game losing streak is right around the corner.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Exit up about a Fresco exit swelling dome. Jason Smith
Mike Harmon live from the Fox Sports radios, Too time
how to find out what's trending in the wide world
of sports. So someone who's been called the Aaron Glenn
of Fox Sports Radio, if you ask me a question,
he doesn't know. He's going to tell you to ask
Rich too. It's Steve the saga.

Speaker 6 (29:13):
I do think that's funny and you know, a little repulsive.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
At the same time.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
Actually, the NFL jet Steve Well like I said, same thing.
It's a little funny and a little repulsive at the
same time. Jaguars rookie Travis.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Is a little bit country.

Speaker 3 (29:27):
It's a little bit rock and roll.

Speaker 6 (29:28):
Sure, okay, Donny Marie reference kids. Jaguars rookie Travis Hunter
is out for the year after knee surgery. He was
injured in practiced a couple of weeks ago. Three agent
defensive back as Sante Samuel Junior will sign with the
Steelers practice squad. Packers offensive lineman Elgton Jenkins was hurt
last night. He was placed on injured reserve today with
a broken leg. The ten game suspension of former Ravens

(29:51):
kicker Justin Tucker was lifted he ad violated the league's
personal conduct policy, and defensive back JayR Alexander, now with Philadelphia,
is stepping away from football to get right physically and mentally.
In the new college football Playoff rankings tonight, the top
five stayed the same, led by number one Ohio State.
Texas Tech is up to number six. Texas importantly is

(30:12):
up to number ten. It's looking like anyone in the
top ten goes to the playoff, but currently number eleven
Oklahoma would not make the College Football Playoff. Instead, the
ACC's highest ranked would that's number fifteen Miami right now
and also number four twenty four South Florida would get
in as the best of the group of five teams.

(30:33):
BYU fell to number twelve this evening. Utah still number thirteen,
Virginia is down to nineteen, Louisville down to twenty. Louisville
basketball at home be rival Kentucky tonight, ninety six to
eighty eight. Number six Michigan played in Detroit and won
in overtime against Wake Forest eighty five eighty four. Tenth
ranked Florida at home edge Florida State seventy eight, seventy six,

(30:54):
Illinois at home be Texas Tech eighty one seventy seven
in a top twenty matchup, And currently we've got a
top twenty matchup of Gonzaga hosting Creighton, each in the
top twenty five. I should say Zags lead sixty three
forty five with twelve minutes to go. Among the nine
NHL games wins for Washington and LA on the road,
Boston won at seventh straight Dallas an overtime winner, at

(31:16):
Ottawa three to two, and at Colorado end of two
Avalanche two to one over the Ducks. The NBA this
evening announced a new format for this season's All Star Game,
the US against the World in LA in February. Two
teams of American All Stars, one team of international players, and.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
We get to play all of the both teams at
the same time, and we get ten on the floor.
They get five.

Speaker 6 (31:41):
There's not even gonna be ten on a roster.

Speaker 1 (31:43):
It's still going to be close because they're going to
play Wenbyn Giannis at the same time and we're going
to get cooked.

Speaker 6 (31:48):
Yeah, that might be happening. Actually, round robin format. So
a total of four twelve minute games that day at
the Clippers Arena, twenty four total All Stars, twelve selected
from each conference. The Mavericks fired general manager Nico Harrison.
He'd been the GM for Dallas since twenty twenty one.
You may have heard he traded Lukadansich to the Lakers
last February. In the NBA's late game, they're winding down

(32:09):
the first quarter at Sacramento and it's the Kings thirty
four to thirty three over the Nuggets, although Denver did
get twelve points in the first twelve minutes from Nikola Jokic.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Utah has just.

Speaker 6 (32:22):
Won its home game one fifty two to one twenty
eight over the Indiana Pacers, or what's left of him.
The Pacers are one and ten. Brooklyn no such excuse
one in ten after losing it home to Toronto. Knicks
won their fifth straight Philadelphia edge Boston and Oklahoma City
as eleven and one after beating Golden State one twenty
six to one oh two. Shake Giljis Alexander in twenty

(32:45):
eight minutes had twenty eight points eleven assists. The Golden
State Warriors record is six and six. American League Manager
of the Year Cleveland Stephen votes n OL Manager of
the Year. The Brewers Pat Murphy each repeat winners.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Back to You, Thank You, Steve. The Jason Smith Show
with my best friend Mike Harmon coming up next, an
NFL quarterback, big time in the news the last twenty
four hours, and it's a it's free. He hasn't made
news in a while, hasn't made news in a while.
But you talk about being ahead of the curve on

(33:18):
this story, I'll tell you why. Coming up next right here,
Jason and Mike. Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Fox Sports Radio.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
The Jason Smith Show with My best friend Mike Harmon.
So a day after really not saying anything nice about
Aaron Rodgers, Mike Tomlin decided to step to the mic
today and say, I better say some good things about him. Rogers,
who was abysmal on Sunday against the Chargers. Abysmal or

(33:57):
is my neighbor like to put it? Because I R
there's a big Steeler house around the corner from me,
and they have the Steeler flags out everywhere. You know,
a big Steeler fan. I was out walking rocking Benny
and Bailey after the game on Sunday night. We're like, okay,
let's go out walk the dogs. It's like it's a
husband and wife and the dad and they all went
to the game, and they were getting back the same time.

(34:19):
We were walking the dogs and they're getting out of
the car and they're, you know, wearing their their Steelers
jerseys and stuff and everything. I go, hey, tough game,
and they go, oh yeah yeah. The guy goes yeah yeah,
and the dad goes every Rodgers just blanked all of us.
I was like, sums nice. I said, well, the charges
have a pretty good defense. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
No, he just blanked all of us.

Speaker 4 (34:40):
Man, he was not.

Speaker 3 (34:42):
Happy spending all that money going to say no, look,
I looked at tickets.

Speaker 4 (34:47):
I ended up having a soccer game for my daughter
in the city, so it ended up being a non starter.
But when I looked at tickets early Sunday morning, the
get in was near to two hundred dollars.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
Because of the way Steeler fans travel, you're getting towards
the holidays. You had a holiday weekend Veterans Day. Thank
you to all of those who serve and their families
that support them. We appreciate you more than we could
possibly say. But like all of that, it was an
opportunity to come to southern California. Yeah, so it was
an expensive ticket. I did the evaluation before they moved

(35:19):
my daughter's soccer game to an evening game, which then
ended up not being able to be finished because of lights.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
But that's a whole other thing.

Speaker 4 (35:27):
And then to watch that, to spend all that money,
I really hope you got a day at Disney or
Universal or just sat on a beach or whatever you
did to really get yourself a value proposition, because otherwise, boy,
you would be salty if you were a Steel fan.
Not that you couldn't see it coming, no, no, no,
that's a bigger part.

Speaker 3 (35:45):
Of the conversation.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
But yeah, what a dreadful, dreadful game between that the
Thursday night and the Monday night game Primetime suck.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, don't remember we got Jets Patriots on pat so
we get four in a row, baby, but they're close.
But you know who's not gonna suck?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
The Patriots.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Yeah there's Yeah, it'd be thirty nine to three. That'll
be your final score. We'll geta we're gonna we're gonna
score Adami in the NFL scoring. But uh, you know
you talk about being ahead of the curve. And congratulations
to everybody who has jumped on this take following the game.
This is something we said, not just in the spring,

(36:27):
but Friday night going into this game. Right, congratulates to
all of you. I mean again, just send us money.
If you're gonna take what we say, just send us money.
But we told you in the spring, when or in
the summer, when Aaron Rodgers finally signed with the Steelers,
what kind of year was it gonna be? And I said, hey,
I'm sure the beginning is gonna be good. Right, Roger's

(36:48):
gonna get out, He's gonna look okay. But then midway
part of the year, things are gonna start coming apart
a bit. Because it's a longer season. He's forty. You're
gonna see some bad habits resurface, and he's gonna throw
the ball early, and he's gonna get rid of the
ball at the times and you're gonna see throws it
into the ground. You're gonna say, what the hell happened?
Biology is gonna catch up with Aaron Rodgers once you

(37:09):
get into the teeth of the season, because he knows
this is the end, and how well prepared is he
for this? When you know it's the end of you're
really going crazy with workouts and everything else. You know,
what's your last season. Midway part of the season, you're
gonna see the Aaron Rodgers Jets version show up right.
You saw it on Sunday night when he throws the
ball when he feels like it, which is, hey, you

(37:30):
gotta let DK Metcalf break open. No, but I can
hear footsteps, so I'm getting rid of the football on
this fade way early and the play has no chance.
That's the Aaron Rodgers was gonna come back. We even
said it again on Friday night. This is gonna be
the beginning of his decline. This game against the Charges,
against a great defense, you're gonna see the bad habits
come in. And because the season so long and he's
near the end, this is who Rodgers is. Skittish in

(37:53):
the pocket, I throw the ball too early, I throw
the ball into the ground. That's what Rodgers was. We
told this is gonna happen in the spring, to happen
on Friday night. Now everybody wants to jump out this week.
Go it's the beginning of the end for Aaron Rudd. Yeah, okay,
that's great, but remember this is what I mean when
I say we're ahead of the curve. And I only
say this because somebody really prominent who said this also

(38:13):
had to be someone that tried to steal a game
from us that we play.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
All the time.

Speaker 1 (38:17):
So that's what I'm falling and say, Okay, but really,
this is this is what we saw for Aaron Rodgers coming.
When you get to this part in the NFL and
you're this close to the end, you don't finish with
a flourish Tom Brady near the end was a guy
that wasn't quite the same quarterback he was. He could
have played another year, but he decided, you know what,
before I really look like I've lost some skill, I'm

(38:39):
gonna leave. Right the playoff game against Green Bay where
he could barely throw the football thirty yards, I'm saying,
oh my goodness, this is this is not the same
Tom Brady. This is not the same time. This is
Aaron rodd didn't want to go out the way he
did with the Jets. But boy, I'm really rolling the
dice on this and what I've said all along. By
mid December, who's playing quarterback for the Steelers, Because this
is how it goes when the long season catches up

(39:01):
with a forty year old quarterback who knows he's near
the end. There's a lot too it because coming into
the season there was the expectation, based on money spent
and the big names, that the defense would rise up,
and in a couple of games this year they have. Offensively,
they don't run the ball consistently enough to really let
Rogers operate effectively with the age. And you know, I

(39:23):
chronicled for the last year plus of what Caleb Williams
was in the Bears offense a year ago. His shot
chart five yards behind the line of scrimmage, five yards
ahead of it. Guess what you can overlay Aaron Rodgers'
pass attempts for this year with the very rare outlier
like that missed opportunity with DK Metcalp. Otherwise it's short

(39:44):
and hoping that you get a bit of yack. Unfortunately,
they don't have the horses and the receivers to go
do that.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
No, you don't have them.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
Like last year when it was a little bit different
because he was coming back from the injury, they went
out got DeVante Adams of the deadlines. Now you had
Garrett Wilson and DeVonta Adams to throw tooth those things
weren't so so bad.

Speaker 4 (40:05):
You don't have that nowaday guy you could trust to
go that you needed to.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Right have DK Metcalf who was But there's a reason
why the Seattle Seahawks said, yeah, we're okay with moving
on from a guy who's in is still in his
mid twenties.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
We're okay with it. So I understand that.

Speaker 4 (40:17):
And even with all those tight ends and everything else,
you don't have a good enough offensive line. Jalen Warren's
a solid but unspectacular back who moves the chains to
a bit, but you're not running like the Steelers of Olds.
So all of that leads to what will be a
dismal second half exit ob out a Fresco exit Swallen Dow.
That's why we say ahead of the curve, right, We're

(40:38):
not going to say, look at the curve, lets, we're
ahead of the curve. We are ahead of the curve.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Coming up next, we ask an answer the biggest issue
the college Football Playoff is going to have after the
newest pole came out tonight. This is Fox Sports
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