November 10, 2021 • 36 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon share their thoughts on how the NFL truly views a once prolific wide receiver, and what we should expect going forward and more from around the world of sports.
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listening to Fox Sports Radio. Hello and welcome inside our
four of The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Harmon. As maybe by this time tomorrow, maybe we'll
know the landing spot for Odell Beckham Jr. But boy,
I'll tell you the people who think that this is
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like Odell Beckham has forced this storyline is just amazing.
Like that guy from again, the number of NFL people
who are just just destroying the Brown Mayfield say, this
is what Odell had to do. Now he's got to leave.
Watch what he does, like what like like this was
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like this was, hey, how do you not make it
work with this star? And this is Tom Brady leaving
the Patriots. I mean the number of of of NFL
players and look at look at what's going at now,
look at O'Dell is gonna do. Now, look at this, Now,
where where is he gonna pick? What team is he
gonna turn into a Super Bowl champion? Um, let's let's
just say this for one second, alright, because this is
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gonna be a realistic conversation about Odell Beckham Jr. Who
passed through waivers today unclaimed, so that means he can
now sign as an unrestricted free agent with anybody. And
according to different reports, the Packers were near the top
of his list. Potentially now the Patriots are at the
top of his list. Look, other teams ay looking for
help at wide receiver could be out there for him.
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But let's understand one thing, Odell Beckham, if he was
still a star, and if NFL teams thought he was
still a star, somebody would have claimed him for seven
million dollars. If he was the missing piece to a
Super Bowl run by any team, they would have found
the money to move around to get him. If they
wanted to. Teams that had the money under the cap
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to be able to absorb a seven million dollar salary
for the last nine games, they would have done it.
We could bring in a great wide receiver, are you kidding?
Let's go get him, because this is what you do
now in sports. The best teams go get talent all
during the calendar year. It's not just in free agency.
It's not no, no, it's not just the deadline. When
you can bring in talent, you bring in talent. If
somebody thought he was still really good, if he was
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still a star, they would have done it. He would
have been claimed order. The team who didn't have the
money would have said, well, let's try to convert some
stuff to a signing bonus here and do X, Y
and Z, because boy, if we could bring Odel in,
we're talking about the Super Bowl now, but nobody did.
So this should tell you what teams think of Odell
Beckham Jr. He is a low cost curiosity. He is
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a guy that, hey, many teams would like to say him, Hey,
let's kick the tires on Odell. Why, it's not gonna
cost us anything. And we're only getting him for nine games.
And what we're doing is replacing our number five wide
receiver with Odell Beckham Jr. And that's that's a move
that I think many teams would say, I'm okay trying
to do this, kick the tires on it. Because if
it doesn't work, we'll release Odell and we'll move on that.
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That's where Odell is in the NFL food chain right now.
So to understand, if he was still great, somebody would
have claimed him. Yeah, he had nine teams under the
cap seven point to five million, the price tag you've
heard it uh bandied about, and part of it becomes
the alright, playing defense, just like you're looking to do
in your fantasy football waiver wires over the course of
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the night and into tomorrow, taking on the news of
what's happening with the Cleveland running back room and everything else. Uh. Likewise,
Odell Beckham Jr. You had all the g ms in
the National Football League sitting around going how much does
it help us? And how much does the claim maybe
hurt someone we're competing with right the you're working both
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of those and if you're one of the worst teams,
and we saw I don't know, I don't know that
I've ever seen more current and x NFL players. You
saw the Vikings players wearing the free O Dell t
shirts and all sorts of ex players going please don't
let a bad team claim him. It's like if a
bad team decided they wanted to claim him and try
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to get him to be part of their future. Why
would you blame them? Right if they if they wanted
to take the shot that he can get past the injuries,
get in with their quarterback, and together they ride off
and suddenly you get one or two more years, maybe
three more years of the guy that showed up in
Cleveland in twenty nineteen and had over a thousand receiving yards.
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Was it a monster year? No, only at four touchdowns,
but week to week you're looking at four point six
receptions nearly sixty five yards per game. You'll take that, right,
that's production that you would take and add to your
squad while you build with younger players and give a
legit threat when healthy. And again that that's like triple
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underscored italicize. It's like the giant Neon lights in the
Neon Museum in Las Vegas. And if you've never been, folks,
it's worth a look. See all the old signage from
the casinos. Uh, well, dead and gone. But the the
idea for Odell is now he'll get to pick a spot.
You've got certainly his preferred destinations. You've got suitors who
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want to come up and promise him the moon in
terms of his snap count targets per game, right, because
he's trying to reclaim some semblance of the guy he
once was, the highlight making machine that everybody was waiting
to see what he was gonna do next, as opposed
to now is is he part of the game plan
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at all? Right? Or does it bog things down? Because
you've got to try to force the ball in his
direction and that and that's where when you talk about
the team's slash players that could be influential and bringing
him in, when you talk about Seattle and Russell Wilson
and Pete Carroll working there, you've got the Packers. We've
talked a lot about Aaron Rodgers. Okay, let's get him
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back on the football field and know that he makes
average or below average guys look pretty good year in
year out, Bill Belichick, while you don't get overly excited
by the offense in a non Tom Brady world, and
even during a lot of the Tom Brady era, it
was defense, run the ball and make spot throws as
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you need to write, be clutch, and maybe Odell Beckham Jr.
Can be a guy that is of the help to
a young Mac Jones. Right, as long as you've got
the right system slash coaching staff, McDaniels Belichick in place.
Beyond that, it's a crapshoot. What like he said the reporters,
he wants to be with a contender. Well, there's three
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teams that are playoff bound per Apps Seattle with a
little bit of a little run and and help can
be competitive towards a wild card spot. Packers are ruling
their division as you would expect. And then you've got
New England that's now on the fringe. And while they're
not beating world class, Uh, you know, everybody's like, oh,
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look at the strength of schedule. We're not talking about
getting into a college football playoff. You beat who's on
the dance schedule and you move forward in the NFL way.
It works. The thing about Odell is right now, so
you talk about that in the landing spot and where
he is. Let's just understand this as well. To think
if you think that O'Dell's a star, right, if you
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think he's Alwa's still great. He's controlling the narrative. No,
he's not. Really, It make it seem like he's controlling
the narrative, Um, do you really not think look understand,
the NFL is a pretty complicated thing. Do you really
think the Browns, who gave up so much to get
him right, gave up a who was supposed to be
a pretty good defensive back in Jabrill Peppers, uh first
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round pick, a third round pick, gave up a lot
to get Odell Beckham Jr. Do you really think the
Browns didn't do everything they possibly could to make it
work with him? Do you really think they got him
and said, hey, if you can throw to him, great,
If not, you really think they didn't do everything they
could to get him involved in the game plan, to
get him going so he would be a great weapon
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and and the offense would run smooth and they'd be
beaten the crap out of teams every week. You really
think they didn't try the hardest thing they didn't try
the number one thing they didn't try to do the
most was get Odell Beckham going in that offense. You
really think they didn't sit down with Baker Mayfield. If
it was really a problem and Mayfield wasn't finding Odell,
they wouldn't sit him down and say, dude, how are
you missing Odell Beckham on all of these plays. Okay,
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how are you not throwing it to him? You have
to be able to get the ball to him as
often as possible. That that's what they would be doing
if Odell Beckham was really being misused or if it
wasn't going according to plan. But that's not what happened, right.
They tried everything they could to get him going, everything
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they could, and they still wound up releasing him. And
he's gonna wind up with another chapter somewhere else, with
another team. So just get that. He's not suddenly gonna
be all the guy that didn't try, like Randy Moss
with the Raiders. But he joins the Patriots and he's great. Yeah,
Randy Moss joined a team where the offense was flipping
out of this world. It was Tom Brady and Wes
Welker and oh my god. If he joins the Patriots
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this time, it's gonna be, well, you're playing in the
mac Jones offense. Wherever else is gonna be. The reality
for Odell Beckham is if he's someone who turns out
to be a four catch for forty five yard guy,
that's a big victory, right, That's a big victory because
that's what you're number five receiver on your team. And
more importantly, what he does is that, well, this is
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the ceiling for This is the ceiling for Odell Beckham Jr.
He's four and forty five every game and what he
still does is I compare him a lot to Sammy Watkins, right,
because Sammy Watkins is my guy. When I say he
is a guy really helping the team even though he's
not catching a lot of passes, Sammy Watkins is an
absolute studded Clemson. Never turned into a superstar in the NFL,
but he's had some good years. And when he was
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with the Chiefs, Sammy Watkins was good enough where you
had to put one of your better defensive backs on
him because he could burn you and he could have
a big game if you were if you were covering
him one on one with a guy that couldn't do it.
And look what happened. Not that he was responsible for,
but when the Chiefs had players like that, the offense
ran great. Now look at Sammy Watkins in Baltimore. Is
he catching a ton of passes? No? Is the offense
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running great? You bet your ass it is. I mean
this is some kind of offense. Lamar Jackson can throw
the Ravens back into any game, no matter how far
they're down. So that's what works because you have to
account a little bit for Sammy Watkins, not that you
have to have a D beyond him and a safety
over the top. He's not tyreek Hill, and it's not
like when you get Odell Beckham whoever gets him, Well,
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now you gotta put a D beyond him. You gotta
have a safety over the top. No, but you're taking
one of your better dbs and having to a count
for Odell because if you don't, Odell can make you
look silly. So that's what's gonna help open up the
offense a little bit. So if Odell is a four
catcher forty five yard guy and other players start producing
a little bit more because you've had to take a
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good dB and put him on Odell. Let's say he
goes with the Patriots, right, Suddenly, a game like the
Patriots played a week ago when they played the Panthers
and Jacoby Myers, who was the number one wide receiver,
didn't have a great game. Well, I guess who was
on them, stefind Gilmore. Right, So you're taking a game
where Okay, now Gilmore's gotta be on Odell Beckham, and
suddenly Jacoby Myers is on a lesser d being on
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down the line than Jacoby Myers has a better day
for the wide receiver for the for the Patriots. So
that's Odell beckham ceiling is four forty and being a
guy that you account for enough where you open things
up a little bit for the offense, not open things
up a ton, but you just open these up and
make it a little bit easier for the offense to succeed. Yeah,
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I think when you look at what he is at
this point, you know, go back to the way the
Browns tried to try to use them. You have to
try to push the target count to a point to
where it may be a detriment to the rest of
what your offense is predicated on doing. I you've got
a great offensive line and you want to run the football.
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You don't want Baker Mayfield flinging it around. Because we
saw that a couple of years ago. What would this
interception rate was tremendously high. Last year, Odell Beckham Jr.
Is out of the line up a bunch. They switched
to the ground game almost exclusively. Interception rate goes down,
completion rate goes up. They play winning football with a
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good defensive front. Boom. This year they add more to
the secondary. It doesn't work when you've got a guy
that you need to feed and everybody hits that evolution
in their career, at least you hope they do receiver wise,
where it's like, all right, do you buy in? Does
this work? And whatever the conversations with he and Baker
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Mayfield behind the scenes, we certainly know what his dad's
thought and what Odell was telling his dad most likely
about that relationship that you now had to break it,
and now team's got to figure out how he fits
and make sure you don't run into the same roadblock
because if you've already got the other formula, or you
have a guy who's a number one receiver commanding double
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digit targets, like you want to come in here and
be a piece of a you know, and a contributor
to a contender, or do you want to be the
guy because right now we're halfway through the season, we
don't need the guy. We have a guy because if
you don't, he doesn't want to play there, right because
you're not a contender. See how that gets into that uh,
that circular logic very quickly as you go through. But
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everybody just suddenly, Oh, he's gonna be unleashed and ready
to go. Are you kidding me? Because then what you're
telling me is that Baker Mayfield's a useless quarterback. The
offense that Stefanski's running is useless. And uh, I think
you can look at the achievements of that old line
and Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt when healthy, uh, and
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all all things would indicate the opposite. Doesn't mean he
can't go contribute, but the days of the highlight real
machine are are gone. And the guy that you have
to build your offense around certainly isn't there Twitter At
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where he's at right now. Like people think he's gonna
be Randy Moss, He's gonna be Andre Risen when the
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his well, I can't say trumphant. He made his return
to the Pat McAfee show, one week after his comments
lit the world on fire about UH testing positive for
COVID and the alternative ways he has gone to to
try to figure out a way around COVID nineteen. Now
we went through last hour. The fine for the Packers
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and Aaron Rodgers was ridiculous. The NFL proving that they'll
find whoever they want to find and punish whoever they
want to punish. Broncos try to hide their mask. All
the quarterbacks are done. Aaron Rodgers lied to everybody. They've
been flaunting and flouty COVID protocols. Yeah, here's just the
fourteen thousand dollar fine. So it's all good. But this
is where, you know, when I hear things like this,
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I understand what fame does to people. Right now, this
was from the interview today with Pat McAfee. And you know,
McAfee's doing his thing. He's dairy's sleeveless, he's standing up
and he asked Aaron Rodgers, hey, you know last week
you were here and and and said all these things.
What doctors besides Dr Joe Rogan have you been in
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confiding in? Obviously because he talked about a week ago
talking with Joe Rogan helping him to take ivor mecton,
which is an alternative medicine that really hasn't been approved
by anybody, but some people think iver mecton is what
you do. So he's asked by Pat McAfee, what doctors
have you been talking to to figure out your treatment?
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And this is the answer Aaron Rodgers gave. I have
a lot of admiration for Joe. I definitely talked with
about a dozen friends of mine who dealt with COVID
and they all were very helpful in different ways, Joe
being one of them. But again that's okay, what doctors?
Doesn't name a doctor. Don't you think if you're Aaron Rodgers,
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you would name a doctor. You would say, I talked
to my doctor, I talked to the packers, doctors, I
talked to that. So now apparently instead of doctors, he's
just talking to people he knows that are going to
give him the answers he wants, right, because you can
find anybody to tell you what you want to hear
and Aaron Rodgers clearly wanted to hear something alternative. If so,
he went to Joe Rogan, I want to find out
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what other people who had it that are in my
orbit are doing, and hear what they've done, because maybe
they're doing something that is not Oh, I don't know
going to see a doctor and getting advice from your doctor,
because you would say that right but now, but now,
I don't know did he talk to a doctor, because
the only time he's mentioned doctors is when he said
a week ago, I talked to the NFL's doctors about
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my situation, and the NFL put out a statement saying, oh, no, no, no, no,
you did not talk to any of our doctors. And
if that was true that Rogers talked to NFL doctors,
he would have come out with a statement right after
that and said, no, no, don't do this, don't lie.
I talked to this doctor blank blank blank on this
day and this time there was none of that. There
was no challenging of that by Aaron Rodgers, which is
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what you would do. Hey, I talked to NFL doctors.
NFL said, not our doctors. That's the first thing you
would do is say no, I did this, and this
is why I don't think I should be punished. And
this is why I I'm I'm immune for the COVID
nineteen virus because I talked to this doctor and he
told me this is where I can go. But none
of that happened. So you know now that Aaron Rodgers
the one guy I can say, did he really not
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talk to doctors? Yeah? I completely believe him saying I'm
talking to friends instead of talking to doctors. You know,
when when you get to a level of fame, Mike
and this, this doesn't jibe with Aaron Rodgers, who is
a really smart guy, always been a smart guy. But
when he's Aaron Rodgers, comic, critical thinker, he is well
he is he is very very critical. Is that when
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I get now, I can dismiss everything Aaron Rodgers ever says, right,
because I can't listen to him about what the the
the situation in green Bank, the team and is the
team still the same? I can't listen to that anymore
because he's someone who saying, yeah, when it comes to COVID,
I'm gonna go follow my own rules and I'm gonna
uh follow the protocols I want to follow not what
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the NFL is set in front of me. I'm gonna
kind of do my thing. I'm not going to talk
to doctors. I'm gonna talk to a podcast. During comedian,
I dismiss everything he says, and the thing is like, yeah,
he seems like a really smart guy. But something happens
to you to a lot of people when you get
ultra famous, and I mean to the point where not where, hey,
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this guy is doing really well, is worth a couple
of million dollars. No, No, when you get to the
point where this guy is so rich and so famous
that you lose touch with reality and and and you
go outside the box on many topics that you think
you're an expert on and you're really not. And I see,
I see I see this, I see you see statements
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like this all the time. And I go back to
what a Dell said a couple of weeks ago when
they said, oh, how come you don't live in England?
And she goes, oh, I can't afford a place in
England like I have here in Los Angeles. Really, I mean,
I get it's it's expensive in London. You own three
mansions here in Los Angeles that total about forty million dollars.
You're worth over three hundred million dollars. You can't afford
a really nice ten million dollar mansion, and really you can't.
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You can't. Really You're trying to think about property tax
laws and I don't know there There's gotta be some
cost process. Man. How many times did you have pop
stars evading tax laws in England for years? Where? Why
is that guy live in New York? You know what
that trade is there? They're still trying to take his money.
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But I when when I when I hear this from
people that say things that are just so outlandish, I'm going,
do you really believe what you're saying? I mean, you're
you're you're no longer tethered Tory. You don't live in
the real world. You live in whatever world you've created
for yourself, whatever bubble it is where people are just
gonna tell you what you want to hear, which is
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why he went and sought after Joe Rogan. If you
said to Aaron Rodgers, Hey, Aaron Rodgers, I can get
you a phone call right now with Anthony Faucci or
Joe Rogan, right, I can get you a phone call
with the the the the head of the c d C,
or I can get you a phone call with Joe Rogan.
He's calling Joe Rogan, right, He's not calling it, he's
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calling Joe Rogan right that that's what he That's what
he's doing. Because and would he have made this decision
if he was someone who, you know, lived a life
that was a little bit more tethered uh to No. No,
this is a guy that said has everything done for him.
He's got all kinds of convenience. Look, he works hard
at being a quarterback in the NFL, obviously because he's
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one of the best. And I'm not saying it doesn't
work hard. But when everything else is is that sometimes
I think stuff happens to you where hey, I now
think this about about this topic, and it's like, really,
why would you think that? Just because because you get
so caught up in your own being and whatever thought
you have in your head is right, and it's not
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only is it right? Everybody should think this way. And
I have no problem telling you that and and and
and doing this in an interview because this is how
right I think I am. I think that really does
happen to people when you when when you get that
kind of that level of rich and famous. Yeah, I
think there's just the the curiosity of, you know, where
you can go into a chamber where everybody tells you
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yes all the time. Right, So you know, we certainly
had that element that comes into as well. How often
is he challenged? Which is why maybe there was some
frustration of trying to help build a roster in Green
Bay and the front office saying we got this, and
clearly they've built a roster that's been uh, pretty formidable,
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you know, the year after year and obviously it helps
for him, but before the m v P year, you
had three years that were kind of down. But in
this particular case, he decided, you know, whatever got him
at his jump off point to where he whatever he read,
whatever message board, whatever website, whatever influencer, whether it was
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Joe Rogan himself at the outset and you know some
of the stuff he was saying on his podcast. You know,
you talk about having influence, and we use that term
pretty loosely here. You are now an influencer and you
can make that a career choice. What do you do
for a living? I'm an influencer of a page and
and and it could be on anything, but in this case,
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you know, he met up with folks that, like Joe Rogan,
had had COVID and gotten through it, and they gave
him their protocols. Right. The only time he talked about
the medical squad that he had when he was thanking
people on Friday, whatever that means. But like anything, you know,
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we talked about it even on Friday. And maybe it's
somewhat controversial, but I mean there's a lot of different
paths that people take to get to their you know,
beliefs from a religious standpoint, but certainly from a medicinal
standpoint of you know, where where they want to approach,
right in terms of you know, Western medicine Eastern medicine
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in this case, you know, the effectiveness claiming the allergies
and then talking about side effects and whatever else. Either way,
you you're if you want to do that on your own,
have at it. You know, you can do that in
your privacy of your own home, but in society and
certainly with the NFL, there's rules that you had to
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adhere to, and you know, not going through and listening
to you know, immunologists and folks that have been doing
stuff on this type of research, for decades versus what
you might have gotten from from Joe Rogan and these
other people you talked to. Uh is to me a
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little foolhardy. Right, the NFL did a and the opportunity
to talk to medical specialists. Right, do you had guys
show up and women show up? You know that had
gone through all sorts of schooling, right, I mean we're
not talking about, hey, show up and you can register
and get a get a diploma in a day. I
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mean there's plenty of schools that you can do that.
I don't think they have that for accreditation for medical
school just yet by the same same process, so you know,
but they were, they offered that to other teams. Remember,
it was a big deal in Washington. It's been a
big deal in a number of locker rooms in Green
Bay was one of them where I know that. You know,
at one point there was talk of hey, they're gonna
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bring in people to talk with us and answer our questions.
Did you not want to participate in that? And if
you did, what, what did you reject? What did you
want to know? I'd love to know more about the
appeal process he went through. Right, If there were five
hundred pages documentation, what have you. I'm an open minded guy.
If you've got something that you want to discuss, right
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and and talk it out, Let's let's have the point counterpoint,
and let's let's go through the process, as opposed to
you know now just saying well, you know what it was, Um,
I'm not I'm not not looking to be an activist.
I'm an athlete, and stepping back out realizing that this
was probably not what you envisioned. Right, felt like he
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was being persecuted and all of those things, Like you
broke a lot of protocols that your your league went
through painstaking negotiations which you were a part of for
a while, right because he he was their representative for
a good chunk of things before he quit that post.
So at that point, right, you you knew what was
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going down this and you may not like what was
voted upon. Right. You don't have to like what your union,
whatever your role is in this society, but you do
have to adhere to what's what's there. So I would
think you would make the most of it and try
to learn as much as you can. Even if you
want to disagree, you still have to follow the protocols.
But to the larger point of this conversation. You know,
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we we can get information on the Internet on about
a lot of things from a lot of sources that,
as we found out, just plane aren't true. I mean, hell,
Wikipedia allows you to just put whatever the hell you
want in and unless somebody wait, wait, wait you can
that's not like an acceptable source. I didn't know though,
Wow really uh yeah, I've got friends who are professors
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that weren't. Wikipedia is cited often. Make sure your bibliography
at the end includes at least five sources, and people
nowadays just writing Wikipedia yes, as opposed to whatever that
source information was right, backing out another step note just Wikipedia,
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but I can go in and edit it and if
nobody catches it, now, someone's gonna read that and think
it's fat whatever it is, right, you like, that's that's
the that's the problem with a lot of these things.
And I'm not saying that's where Aaron Rodgers is, but
just to take it to its base of of how
people receive and process information, right, Stuff that goes up
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on Twitter, and I'm not talking about blue check mark,
non blue check mark, just in general, stuff starts circulates
like wow, wow, is that true? Did that happen? And
it's like, well no, Eventually, you know, someone raises their
hand that was supposed to you know, the person being cited.
It's like, no, I didn't do that. I wasn't there.
Here's you know where where you know what I did
or where I was or I I don't know. It's
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it's convoluted. But Baron Rodgers says, this is the last
he's going to speak on it. Uh. Pat McAfee joked about,
you know, his big j and journalism slash, going to
get a law degree or maybe a medical degree, so uh,
kind of funny stuff so he can have all these
conversations because suddenly everybody wanted him to be a you know,
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hard hitting journalist as opposed to, as you say, the
sleeveless guy on the radio. Uh, you want a great
Wikipedia story, real fast, you want a really funny one.
But yeah, let's go this about sources. So this is
back when I was with uh NFL network and this
wound up getting my Wikipedia page taken down because it became,
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you know, became this thing. So uh, my Wikipedia page
was was crazy. You had a bunch of stuff on
it and someone just edited for some reason to write
has been working on a cookbook where former Pacers star
Rick Smits called Smith and Smith's right, like they just
put up there as a joke and I never care
I left it up there. I didn't care about it. Right.
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So I'm NFL network and I get a phone call
one day and and um, the my boss says to me, Hey, listen, Hey,
NFL Europe wants to do an interview with a couple
of our fantasy guys. Do you mind if they send
you some questions you can answer them? And I said, yeah, sure,
no problem. They just, you know, whatever they send you
about fantasy. I said, yeah, no problem, don't worry about it.
Don't wory about it. So they send me a bunch
of questions, right, they asked me about fantasy call and
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then like right in the middle, it's the question is
so I hear you've been working on a cookbook with
former Pacers legend Rick Smiths. How is that going? And
so so I right back, I go, well, I think
that's the Internet having some fun with you. I'm not
working on a on a on a cookbook with Rick Smits,
although not saying I wouldn't want to. If you know
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where I can reach out to his agent, you know,
let me know. So I just answered that way, thinking okay,
well that that's gonna take care of that. No, no, no,
they published that in the interview. They published their own
question about Rick Smith's and me. They put it in
the interview, and so the whole thing airs online and
they know I never worked on it, and because of that,
like after that came out for a couple of days,
like two days later, but my Wikipedia page was gone
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because of errors proven it was. Yeah, I'm like, oh
my god, because of doing something with Rick Smith's. Why not?
I don't know. I'm just gonna ask you the question
and the fact they left it in, Oh, let's leaving
it and we're asking about that. Although Smith and Smith's
that's it's a pretty good you know, what I should
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have said was no, Actually it's with former l A
Law and Sons of Anarchy actor Jimmy Smith's. That's who.
That's why I'm doing the thing with. Well, that's all
just variations of the Dutch baby pancakes, Duncan dutchmas history.
How many how many Dutch pancake recipes are that? That's
all it is. It's Dutch pancake recient. We got apple,
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Mike Harmon. Hey uh. The latest college football playoff poll
came out earlier tonight, and we watched Ohio State slide
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into the d MS all the way up to number
four following Michigan State's loss to Purdue this past weekend.
So the top four goes Georgia, Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State.
Now some rapid fire things to know. As far as
this pole goes, we'll get through it right here. First thing,
Michigan State is ranked behind Michigan doesn't matter alright, As
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you said earlier, Michigan State's loss was worse than Michigan's loss,
and if Michigan beats Ohio State, they're jumping up ahead anyway.
If Michigan loses to Ohio State, Michigan States ahead of them,
So it really doesn't matter, that's it, right. I mean,
you look at the loss to Purdue this past week,
which you so uh astute Lee predicted on Friday night
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saying well, I've seen this this record before. You called
the beating of Michigan the week prior and said, well,
now they'll go out and the fall flat. And they did,
and they gave up forty points. To a produce team
that the only thing we liked about them was that
they they're giant slayers and they play defense, and here
they brought a bit of offense with them to the party.
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So it's yeah, the transited property and and the loss
is worse. And now produce all the way up to nineteen,
which helps to validate Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Hiwan
and the rest of the Big tent. So it kind
of helps in that process as well. But yeah, go
and win out your schedule, it doesn't matter. Go win
the Big Ten title game and and it all sort
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itself out. You get outside the top ten, those teams
can't win. And I say can't win, mean they can't
get in the playoff. You have all the one lost
teams that finish at number ten with Oklahoma State, that's
who can make it because everybody else two losses, it's
not gonna happen a one loss Wake Forest team. They
needed to be an unbeaten a c C champion to
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make it because the a c C is awful this year.
Uh So, yeah, that's where you draw that line. If
you're in the top ten right now, you can go
play for the College Football National Championship. If you're outside it,
you don't have a chance. So I liked it. At
least we have ten teams in a Mike Armen because
usually right now there's two or three spots are already
sewn up and we're hoping that you know, one spot
can outside of Georgia, who can lose a game and
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still make it into the playoff without a problem. Everybody else,
if they lose, they're done. Well, think about Oklahoma and
Oklahoma State still play there eight and ten. Right, we
talked about ohow State Michigan, So there's gonna be more
losses here. Cincinnati's sitting at nine and oh we broke
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four of The Jason Smith Show with my best friend
Mike Harmon. As maybe by this time tomorrow, maybe we'll
know the landing spot for Odell Beckham Jr. But boy,
I'll tell you the people who think that this is
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like Odell Beckham has forced this storyline is just amazing.
Like that guy from again, the number of NFL people
who are just just destroying the Brown Mayfield say, this
is what Odell had to do. Now he's got to leave.
Watch what he does, like what like like this was
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like this was, hey, how do you not make it
work with this star? And this is Tom Brady leaving
the Patriots. I mean the number of of of NFL
players and look at look at what's going at now,
look at O'Dell is gonna do. Now, look at this, Now,
where where is he gonna pick? What team is he
gonna turn into a Super Bowl champion? Um, let's let's
just say this for one second, alright, because this is
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gonna be a realistic conversation about Odell Beckham Jr. Who
passed through waivers today unclaimed, so that means he can
now sign as an unrestricted free agent with anybody. And
according to different reports, the Packers were near the top
of his list. Potentially now the Patriots are at the
top of his list. Look, other teams ay looking for
help at wide receiver could be out there for him.
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But let's understand one thing, Odell Beckham, if he was
still a star, and if NFL teams thought he was
still a star, somebody would have claimed him for seven
million dollars. If he was the missing piece to a
Super Bowl run by any team, they would have found
the money to move around to get him. If they
wanted to. Teams that had the money under the cap
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to be able to absorb a seven million dollar salary
for the last nine games, they would have done it.
We could bring in a great wide receiver, are you kidding?
Let's go get him, because this is what you do
now in sports. The best teams go get talent all
during the calendar year. It's not just in free agency.
It's not no, no, it's not just the deadline. When
you can bring in talent, you bring in talent. If
somebody thought he was still really good, if he was
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still a star, they would have done it. He would
have been claimed order. The team who didn't have the
money would have said, well, let's try to convert some
stuff to a signing bonus here and do X, Y
and Z, because boy, if we could bring Odel in,
we're talking about the Super Bowl now, but nobody did.
So this should tell you what teams think of Odell
Beckham Jr. He is a low cost curiosity. He is
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a guy that, hey, many teams would like to say him, Hey,
let's kick the tires on Odell. Why, it's not gonna
cost us anything. And we're only getting him for nine games.
And what we're doing is replacing our number five wide
receiver with Odell Beckham Jr. And that's that's a move
that I think many teams would say, I'm okay trying
to do this, kick the tires on it. Because if
it doesn't work, we'll release Odell and we'll move on that.
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That's where Odell is in the NFL food chain right now.
So to understand, if he was still great, somebody would
have claimed him. Yeah, he had nine teams under the
cap seven point to five million, the price tag you've
heard it uh bandied about, and part of it becomes
the alright, playing defense, just like you're looking to do
in your fantasy football waiver wires over the course of
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the night and into tomorrow, taking on the news of
what's happening with the Cleveland running back room and everything else. Uh. Likewise,
Odell Beckham Jr. You had all the g ms in
the National Football League sitting around going how much does
it help us? And how much does the claim maybe
hurt someone we're competing with right the you're working both
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of those and if you're one of the worst teams,
and we saw I don't know, I don't know that
I've ever seen more current and x NFL players. You
saw the Vikings players wearing the free O Dell t
shirts and all sorts of ex players going please don't
let a bad team claim him. It's like if a
bad team decided they wanted to claim him and try
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to get him to be part of their future. Why
would you blame them? Right if they if they wanted
to take the shot that he can get past the injuries,
get in with their quarterback, and together they ride off
and suddenly you get one or two more years, maybe
three more years of the guy that showed up in
Cleveland in twenty nineteen and had over a thousand receiving yards.
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Was it a monster year? No, only at four touchdowns,
but week to week you're looking at four point six
receptions nearly sixty five yards per game. You'll take that, right,
that's production that you would take and add to your
squad while you build with younger players and give a
legit threat when healthy. And again that that's like triple
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underscored italicize. It's like the giant Neon lights in the
Neon Museum in Las Vegas. And if you've never been, folks,
it's worth a look. See all the old signage from
the casinos. Uh, well, dead and gone. But the the
idea for Odell is now he'll get to pick a spot.
You've got certainly his preferred destinations. You've got suitors who
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want to come up and promise him the moon in
terms of his snap count targets per game, right, because
he's trying to reclaim some semblance of the guy he
once was, the highlight making machine that everybody was waiting
to see what he was gonna do next, as opposed
to now is is he part of the game plan
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at all? Right? Or does it bog things down? Because
you've got to try to force the ball in his
direction and that and that's where when you talk about
the team's slash players that could be influential and bringing
him in, when you talk about Seattle and Russell Wilson
and Pete Carroll working there, you've got the Packers. We've
talked a lot about Aaron Rodgers. Okay, let's get him
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back on the football field and know that he makes
average or below average guys look pretty good year in
year out, Bill Belichick, while you don't get overly excited
by the offense in a non Tom Brady world, and
even during a lot of the Tom Brady era, it
was defense, run the ball and make spot throws as
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you need to write, be clutch, and maybe Odell Beckham Jr.
Can be a guy that is of the help to
a young Mac Jones. Right, as long as you've got
the right system slash coaching staff, McDaniels Belichick in place.
Beyond that, it's a crapshoot. What like he said the reporters,
he wants to be with a contender. Well, there's three
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teams that are playoff bound per Apps Seattle with a
little bit of a little run and and help can
be competitive towards a wild card spot. Packers are ruling
their division as you would expect. And then you've got
New England that's now on the fringe. And while they're
not beating world class, Uh, you know, everybody's like, oh,
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look at the strength of schedule. We're not talking about
getting into a college football playoff. You beat who's on
the dance schedule and you move forward in the NFL way.
It works. The thing about Odell is right now, so
you talk about that in the landing spot and where
he is. Let's just understand this as well. To think
if you think that O'Dell's a star, right, if you
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think he's Alwa's still great. He's controlling the narrative. No,
he's not. Really, It make it seem like he's controlling
the narrative, Um, do you really not think look understand,
the NFL is a pretty complicated thing. Do you really
think the Browns, who gave up so much to get
him right, gave up a who was supposed to be
a pretty good defensive back in Jabrill Peppers, uh first
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round pick, a third round pick, gave up a lot
to get Odell Beckham Jr. Do you really think the
Browns didn't do everything they possibly could to make it
work with him? Do you really think they got him
and said, hey, if you can throw to him, great,
If not, you really think they didn't do everything they
could to get him involved in the game plan, to
get him going so he would be a great weapon
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and and the offense would run smooth and they'd be
beaten the crap out of teams every week. You really
think they didn't try the hardest thing they didn't try
the number one thing they didn't try to do the
most was get Odell Beckham going in that offense. You
really think they didn't sit down with Baker Mayfield. If
it was really a problem and Mayfield wasn't finding Odell,
they wouldn't sit him down and say, dude, how are
you missing Odell Beckham on all of these plays. Okay,
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how are you not throwing it to him? You have
to be able to get the ball to him as
often as possible. That that's what they would be doing
if Odell Beckham was really being misused or if it
wasn't going according to plan. But that's not what happened, right.
They tried everything they could to get him going, everything
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they could, and they still wound up releasing him. And
he's gonna wind up with another chapter somewhere else, with
another team. So just get that. He's not suddenly gonna
be all the guy that didn't try, like Randy Moss
with the Raiders. But he joins the Patriots and he's great. Yeah,
Randy Moss joined a team where the offense was flipping
out of this world. It was Tom Brady and Wes
Welker and oh my god. If he joins the Patriots
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this time, it's gonna be, well, you're playing in the
mac Jones offense. Wherever else is gonna be. The reality
for Odell Beckham is if he's someone who turns out
to be a four catch for forty five yard guy,
that's a big victory, right, That's a big victory because
that's what you're number five receiver on your team. And
more importantly, what he does is that, well, this is
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the ceiling for This is the ceiling for Odell Beckham Jr.
He's four and forty five every game and what he
still does is I compare him a lot to Sammy Watkins, right,
because Sammy Watkins is my guy. When I say he
is a guy really helping the team even though he's
not catching a lot of passes, Sammy Watkins is an
absolute studded Clemson. Never turned into a superstar in the NFL,
but he's had some good years. And when he was
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with the Chiefs, Sammy Watkins was good enough where you
had to put one of your better defensive backs on
him because he could burn you and he could have
a big game if you were if you were covering
him one on one with a guy that couldn't do it.
And look what happened. Not that he was responsible for,
but when the Chiefs had players like that, the offense
ran great. Now look at Sammy Watkins in Baltimore. Is
he catching a ton of passes? No? Is the offense
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running great? You bet your ass it is. I mean
this is some kind of offense. Lamar Jackson can throw
the Ravens back into any game, no matter how far
they're down. So that's what works because you have to
account a little bit for Sammy Watkins, not that you
have to have a D beyond him and a safety
over the top. He's not tyreek Hill, and it's not
like when you get Odell Beckham whoever gets him, Well,
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now you gotta put a D beyond him. You gotta
have a safety over the top. No, but you're taking
one of your better dbs and having to a count
for Odell because if you don't, Odell can make you
look silly. So that's what's gonna help open up the
offense a little bit. So if Odell is a four
catcher forty five yard guy and other players start producing
a little bit more because you've had to take a
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good dB and put him on Odell. Let's say he
goes with the Patriots, right, Suddenly, a game like the
Patriots played a week ago when they played the Panthers
and Jacoby Myers, who was the number one wide receiver,
didn't have a great game. Well, I guess who was
on them, stefind Gilmore. Right, So you're taking a game
where Okay, now Gilmore's gotta be on Odell Beckham, and
suddenly Jacoby Myers is on a lesser d being on
(11:35):
down the line than Jacoby Myers has a better day
for the wide receiver for the for the Patriots. So
that's Odell beckham ceiling is four forty and being a
guy that you account for enough where you open things
up a little bit for the offense, not open things
up a ton, but you just open these up and
make it a little bit easier for the offense to succeed. Yeah,
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I think when you look at what he is at
this point, you know, go back to the way the
Browns tried to try to use them. You have to
try to push the target count to a point to
where it may be a detriment to the rest of
what your offense is predicated on doing. I you've got
a great offensive line and you want to run the football.
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You don't want Baker Mayfield flinging it around. Because we
saw that a couple of years ago. What would this
interception rate was tremendously high. Last year, Odell Beckham Jr.
Is out of the line up a bunch. They switched
to the ground game almost exclusively. Interception rate goes down,
completion rate goes up. They play winning football with a
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good defensive front. Boom. This year they add more to
the secondary. It doesn't work when you've got a guy
that you need to feed and everybody hits that evolution
in their career, at least you hope they do receiver wise,
where it's like, all right, do you buy in? Does
this work? And whatever the conversations with he and Baker
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Mayfield behind the scenes, we certainly know what his dad's
thought and what Odell was telling his dad most likely
about that relationship that you now had to break it,
and now team's got to figure out how he fits
and make sure you don't run into the same roadblock
because if you've already got the other formula, or you
have a guy who's a number one receiver commanding double
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digit targets, like you want to come in here and
be a piece of a you know, and a contributor
to a contender, or do you want to be the
guy because right now we're halfway through the season, we
don't need the guy. We have a guy because if
you don't, he doesn't want to play there, right because
you're not a contender. See how that gets into that uh,
that circular logic very quickly as you go through. But
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everybody just suddenly, Oh, he's gonna be unleashed and ready
to go. Are you kidding me? Because then what you're
telling me is that Baker Mayfield's a useless quarterback. The
offense that Stefanski's running is useless. And uh, I think
you can look at the achievements of that old line
and Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt when healthy, uh, and
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all all things would indicate the opposite. Doesn't mean he
can't go contribute, but the days of the highlight real
machine are are gone. And the guy that you have
to build your offense around certainly isn't there Twitter At
how about a frescup Mike gets swollen Dome the Jason
Smith Show with my best friend Mike Harmon. So it's
not that Odell can't help, it's that just just understand
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where he's at right now. Like people think he's gonna
be Randy Moss, He's gonna be Andre Risen when the
Packers got He's not gonna head though, I got bad
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Are drinking velvet for the first time in a while,
alex ty shirt everybody, Well, between that and a Staymos reference,
he's bringing back the class. Yeah, that's true, that's true.
Whatever tequila? Whoa right there? Eventually someone's gonna come up
with whatever tequila. He's gonna be really mad. Why didn't
(15:13):
I patent that idea? Isn't it smart? Though? No, it's
whatever tequila is great because think about it. That's the ad, Jason,
what do we drink tonight? Whatever you want? Let's have
whatever tequila? Oh? I like that. I like that sounds good.
You know, I want to say, you know what sounds
good is is a drink with the words smoke in it? Like,
(15:33):
because I think the connotation of smoke now is not
like cigarette smoke, but it's like smoke, Like it's cool,
like smoke tequila or you get all that smoke, which
means someone's coming to kick your ass. You want some
of that smoke. You don't want this smoke? Uh? Jason
Smith Show with Mike Harmon, and today Aaron Rodgers made
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his well, I can't say trumphant. He made his return
to the Pat McAfee show, one week after his comments
lit the world on fire about UH testing positive for
COVID and the alternative ways he has gone to to
try to figure out a way around COVID nineteen. Now
we went through last hour. The fine for the Packers
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and Aaron Rodgers was ridiculous. The NFL proving that they'll
find whoever they want to find and punish whoever they
want to punish. Broncos try to hide their mask. All
the quarterbacks are done. Aaron Rodgers lied to everybody. They've
been flaunting and flouty COVID protocols. Yeah, here's just the
fourteen thousand dollar fine. So it's all good. But this
is where, you know, when I hear things like this,
(16:39):
I understand what fame does to people. Right now, this
was from the interview today with Pat McAfee. And you know,
McAfee's doing his thing. He's dairy's sleeveless, he's standing up
and he asked Aaron Rodgers, hey, you know last week
you were here and and and said all these things.
What doctors besides Dr Joe Rogan have you been in
(17:00):
confiding in? Obviously because he talked about a week ago
talking with Joe Rogan helping him to take ivor mecton,
which is an alternative medicine that really hasn't been approved
by anybody, but some people think iver mecton is what
you do. So he's asked by Pat McAfee, what doctors
have you been talking to to figure out your treatment?
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And this is the answer Aaron Rodgers gave. I have
a lot of admiration for Joe. I definitely talked with
about a dozen friends of mine who dealt with COVID
and they all were very helpful in different ways, Joe
being one of them. But again that's okay, what doctors?
Doesn't name a doctor. Don't you think if you're Aaron Rodgers,
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you would name a doctor. You would say, I talked
to my doctor, I talked to the packers, doctors, I
talked to that. So now apparently instead of doctors, he's
just talking to people he knows that are going to
give him the answers he wants, right, because you can
find anybody to tell you what you want to hear
and Aaron Rodgers clearly wanted to hear something alternative. If so,
he went to Joe Rogan, I want to find out
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what other people who had it that are in my
orbit are doing, and hear what they've done, because maybe
they're doing something that is not Oh, I don't know
going to see a doctor and getting advice from your doctor,
because you would say that right but now, but now,
I don't know did he talk to a doctor, because
the only time he's mentioned doctors is when he said
a week ago, I talked to the NFL's doctors about
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my situation, and the NFL put out a statement saying, oh, no, no, no, no,
you did not talk to any of our doctors. And
if that was true that Rogers talked to NFL doctors,
he would have come out with a statement right after
that and said, no, no, don't do this, don't lie.
I talked to this doctor blank blank blank on this
day and this time there was none of that. There
was no challenging of that by Aaron Rodgers, which is
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what you would do. Hey, I talked to NFL doctors.
NFL said, not our doctors. That's the first thing you
would do is say no, I did this, and this
is why I don't think I should be punished. And
this is why I I'm I'm immune for the COVID
nineteen virus because I talked to this doctor and he
told me this is where I can go. But none
of that happened. So you know now that Aaron Rodgers
the one guy I can say, did he really not
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talk to doctors? Yeah? I completely believe him saying I'm
talking to friends instead of talking to doctors. You know,
when when you get to a level of fame, Mike
and this, this doesn't jibe with Aaron Rodgers, who is
a really smart guy, always been a smart guy. But
when he's Aaron Rodgers, comic, critical thinker, he is well
he is he is very very critical. Is that when
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I get now, I can dismiss everything Aaron Rodgers ever says, right,
because I can't listen to him about what the the
the situation in green Bank, the team and is the
team still the same? I can't listen to that anymore
because he's someone who saying, yeah, when it comes to COVID,
I'm gonna go follow my own rules and I'm gonna
uh follow the protocols I want to follow not what
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the NFL is set in front of me. I'm gonna
kind of do my thing. I'm not going to talk
to doctors. I'm gonna talk to a podcast. During comedian,
I dismiss everything he says, and the thing is like, yeah,
he seems like a really smart guy. But something happens
to you to a lot of people when you get
ultra famous, and I mean to the point where not where, hey,
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this guy is doing really well, is worth a couple
of million dollars. No, No, when you get to the
point where this guy is so rich and so famous
that you lose touch with reality and and and you
go outside the box on many topics that you think
you're an expert on and you're really not. And I see,
I see I see this, I see you see statements
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like this all the time. And I go back to
what a Dell said a couple of weeks ago when
they said, oh, how come you don't live in England?
And she goes, oh, I can't afford a place in
England like I have here in Los Angeles. Really, I mean,
I get it's it's expensive in London. You own three
mansions here in Los Angeles that total about forty million dollars.
You're worth over three hundred million dollars. You can't afford
a really nice ten million dollar mansion, and really you can't.
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You can't. Really You're trying to think about property tax
laws and I don't know there There's gotta be some
cost process. Man. How many times did you have pop
stars evading tax laws in England for years? Where? Why
is that guy live in New York? You know what
that trade is there? They're still trying to take his money.
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But I when when I when I hear this from
people that say things that are just so outlandish, I'm going,
do you really believe what you're saying? I mean, you're
you're you're no longer tethered Tory. You don't live in
the real world. You live in whatever world you've created
for yourself, whatever bubble it is where people are just
gonna tell you what you want to hear, which is
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why he went and sought after Joe Rogan. If you
said to Aaron Rodgers, Hey, Aaron Rodgers, I can get
you a phone call right now with Anthony Faucci or
Joe Rogan, right, I can get you a phone call
with the the the the head of the c d C,
or I can get you a phone call with Joe Rogan.
He's calling Joe Rogan, right, He's not calling it, he's
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calling Joe Rogan right that that's what he That's what
he's doing. Because and would he have made this decision
if he was someone who, you know, lived a life
that was a little bit more tethered uh to No. No,
this is a guy that said has everything done for him.
He's got all kinds of convenience. Look, he works hard
at being a quarterback in the NFL, obviously because he's
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one of the best. And I'm not saying it doesn't
work hard. But when everything else is is that sometimes
I think stuff happens to you where hey, I now
think this about about this topic, and it's like, really,
why would you think that? Just because because you get
so caught up in your own being and whatever thought
you have in your head is right, and it's not
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only is it right? Everybody should think this way. And
I have no problem telling you that and and and
and doing this in an interview because this is how
right I think I am. I think that really does
happen to people when you when when you get that
kind of that level of rich and famous. Yeah, I
think there's just the the curiosity of, you know, where
you can go into a chamber where everybody tells you
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yes all the time. Right, So you know, we certainly
had that element that comes into as well. How often
is he challenged? Which is why maybe there was some
frustration of trying to help build a roster in Green
Bay and the front office saying we got this, and
clearly they've built a roster that's been uh, pretty formidable,
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you know, the year after year and obviously it helps
for him, but before the m v P year, you
had three years that were kind of down. But in
this particular case, he decided, you know, whatever got him
at his jump off point to where he whatever he read,
whatever message board, whatever website, whatever influencer, whether it was
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Joe Rogan himself at the outset and you know some
of the stuff he was saying on his podcast. You know,
you talk about having influence, and we use that term
pretty loosely here. You are now an influencer and you
can make that a career choice. What do you do
for a living? I'm an influencer of a page and
and and it could be on anything, but in this case,
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you know, he met up with folks that, like Joe Rogan,
had had COVID and gotten through it, and they gave
him their protocols. Right. The only time he talked about
the medical squad that he had when he was thanking
people on Friday, whatever that means. But like anything, you know,
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we talked about it even on Friday. And maybe it's
somewhat controversial, but I mean there's a lot of different
paths that people take to get to their you know,
beliefs from a religious standpoint, but certainly from a medicinal
standpoint of you know, where where they want to approach,
right in terms of you know, Western medicine Eastern medicine
(24:46):
in this case, you know, the effectiveness claiming the allergies
and then talking about side effects and whatever else. Either way,
you you're if you want to do that on your own,
have at it. You know, you can do that in
your privacy of your own home, but in society and
certainly with the NFL, there's rules that you had to
(25:07):
adhere to, and you know, not going through and listening
to you know, immunologists and folks that have been doing
stuff on this type of research, for decades versus what
you might have gotten from from Joe Rogan and these
other people you talked to. Uh is to me a
(25:29):
little foolhardy. Right, the NFL did a and the opportunity
to talk to medical specialists. Right, do you had guys
show up and women show up? You know that had
gone through all sorts of schooling, right, I mean we're
not talking about, hey, show up and you can register
and get a get a diploma in a day. I
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mean there's plenty of schools that you can do that.
I don't think they have that for accreditation for medical
school just yet by the same same process, so you know,
but they were, they offered that to other teams. Remember,
it was a big deal in Washington. It's been a
big deal in a number of locker rooms in Green
Bay was one of them where I know that. You know,
at one point there was talk of hey, they're gonna
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bring in people to talk with us and answer our questions.
Did you not want to participate in that? And if
you did, what, what did you reject? What did you
want to know? I'd love to know more about the
appeal process he went through. Right, If there were five
hundred pages documentation, what have you. I'm an open minded guy.
If you've got something that you want to discuss, right
(26:32):
and and talk it out, Let's let's have the point counterpoint,
and let's let's go through the process, as opposed to
you know now just saying well, you know what it was, Um,
I'm not I'm not not looking to be an activist.
I'm an athlete, and stepping back out realizing that this
was probably not what you envisioned. Right, felt like he
(26:54):
was being persecuted and all of those things, Like you
broke a lot of protocols that your your league went
through painstaking negotiations which you were a part of for
a while, right because he he was their representative for
a good chunk of things before he quit that post.
So at that point, right, you you knew what was
(27:16):
going down this and you may not like what was
voted upon. Right. You don't have to like what your union,
whatever your role is in this society, but you do
have to adhere to what's what's there. So I would
think you would make the most of it and try
to learn as much as you can. Even if you
want to disagree, you still have to follow the protocols.
But to the larger point of this conversation. You know,
(27:39):
we we can get information on the Internet on about
a lot of things from a lot of sources that,
as we found out, just plane aren't true. I mean, hell,
Wikipedia allows you to just put whatever the hell you
want in and unless somebody wait, wait, wait you can
that's not like an acceptable source. I didn't know though,
Wow really uh yeah, I've got friends who are professors
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that weren't. Wikipedia is cited often. Make sure your bibliography
at the end includes at least five sources, and people
nowadays just writing Wikipedia yes, as opposed to whatever that
source information was right, backing out another step note just Wikipedia,
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but I can go in and edit it and if
nobody catches it, now, someone's gonna read that and think
it's fat whatever it is, right, you like, that's that's
the that's the problem with a lot of these things.
And I'm not saying that's where Aaron Rodgers is, but
just to take it to its base of of how
people receive and process information, right, Stuff that goes up
(28:44):
on Twitter, and I'm not talking about blue check mark,
non blue check mark, just in general, stuff starts circulates
like wow, wow, is that true? Did that happen? And
it's like, well no, Eventually, you know, someone raises their
hand that was supposed to you know, the person being cited.
It's like, no, I didn't do that. I wasn't there.
Here's you know where where you know what I did
or where I was or I I don't know. It's
(29:06):
it's convoluted. But Baron Rodgers says, this is the last
he's going to speak on it. Uh. Pat McAfee joked about,
you know, his big j and journalism slash, going to
get a law degree or maybe a medical degree, so uh,
kind of funny stuff so he can have all these
conversations because suddenly everybody wanted him to be a you know,
(29:28):
hard hitting journalist as opposed to, as you say, the
sleeveless guy on the radio. Uh, you want a great
Wikipedia story, real fast, you want a really funny one.
But yeah, let's go this about sources. So this is
back when I was with uh NFL network and this
wound up getting my Wikipedia page taken down because it became,
(29:48):
you know, became this thing. So uh, my Wikipedia page
was was crazy. You had a bunch of stuff on
it and someone just edited for some reason to write
has been working on a cookbook where former Pacers star
Rick Smits called Smith and Smith's right, like they just
put up there as a joke and I never care
I left it up there. I didn't care about it. Right.
(30:09):
So I'm NFL network and I get a phone call
one day and and um, the my boss says to me, Hey, listen, Hey,
NFL Europe wants to do an interview with a couple
of our fantasy guys. Do you mind if they send
you some questions you can answer them? And I said, yeah, sure,
no problem. They just, you know, whatever they send you
about fantasy. I said, yeah, no problem, don't worry about it.
Don't wory about it. So they send me a bunch
of questions, right, they asked me about fantasy call and
(30:31):
then like right in the middle, it's the question is
so I hear you've been working on a cookbook with
former Pacers legend Rick Smiths. How is that going? And
so so I right back, I go, well, I think
that's the Internet having some fun with you. I'm not
working on a on a on a cookbook with Rick Smits,
although not saying I wouldn't want to. If you know
(30:53):
where I can reach out to his agent, you know,
let me know. So I just answered that way, thinking okay,
well that that's gonna take care of that. No, no, no,
they published that in the interview. They published their own
question about Rick Smith's and me. They put it in
the interview, and so the whole thing airs online and
they know I never worked on it, and because of that,
like after that came out for a couple of days,
like two days later, but my Wikipedia page was gone
(31:15):
because of errors proven it was. Yeah, I'm like, oh
my god, because of doing something with Rick Smith's. Why not?
I don't know. I'm just gonna ask you the question
and the fact they left it in, Oh, let's leaving
it and we're asking about that. Although Smith and Smith's
that's it's a pretty good you know, what I should
(31:36):
have said was no, Actually it's with former l A
Law and Sons of Anarchy actor Jimmy Smith's. That's who.
That's why I'm doing the thing with. Well, that's all
just variations of the Dutch baby pancakes, Duncan dutchmas history.
How many how many Dutch pancake recipes are that? That's
all it is. It's Dutch pancake recient. We got apple,
(31:57):
we got beat Now we got into a forest Gump
like process. We got apple, Dutch pancakes, and beat Dutch.
That's about all the pancakes there is. Be sure to
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Jason Smith Show with My best friend. His name is
Mike Harmon. Hey uh. The latest college football playoff poll
came out earlier tonight, and we watched Ohio State slide
(33:08):
into the d MS all the way up to number
four following Michigan State's loss to Purdue this past weekend.
So the top four goes Georgia, Alabama, Oregon, Ohio State.
Now some rapid fire things to know. As far as
this pole goes, we'll get through it right here. First thing,
Michigan State is ranked behind Michigan doesn't matter alright, As
(33:30):
you said earlier, Michigan State's loss was worse than Michigan's loss,
and if Michigan beats Ohio State, they're jumping up ahead anyway.
If Michigan loses to Ohio State, Michigan States ahead of them,
So it really doesn't matter, that's it, right. I mean,
you look at the loss to Purdue this past week,
which you so uh astute Lee predicted on Friday night
(33:51):
saying well, I've seen this this record before. You called
the beating of Michigan the week prior and said, well,
now they'll go out and the fall flat. And they did,
and they gave up forty points. To a produce team
that the only thing we liked about them was that
they they're giant slayers and they play defense, and here
they brought a bit of offense with them to the party.
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So it's yeah, the transited property and and the loss
is worse. And now produce all the way up to nineteen,
which helps to validate Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Hiwan
and the rest of the Big tent. So it kind
of helps in that process as well. But yeah, go
and win out your schedule, it doesn't matter. Go win
the Big Ten title game and and it all sort
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itself out. You get outside the top ten, those teams
can't win. And I say can't win, mean they can't
get in the playoff. You have all the one lost
teams that finish at number ten with Oklahoma State, that's
who can make it because everybody else two losses, it's
not gonna happen a one loss Wake Forest team. They
needed to be an unbeaten a c C champion to
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make it because the a c C is awful this year.
Uh So, yeah, that's where you draw that line. If
you're in the top ten right now, you can go
play for the College Football National Championship. If you're outside it,
you don't have a chance. So I liked it. At
least we have ten teams in a Mike Armen because
usually right now there's two or three spots are already
sewn up and we're hoping that you know, one spot
can outside of Georgia, who can lose a game and
(35:18):
still make it into the playoff without a problem. Everybody else,
if they lose, they're done. Well, think about Oklahoma and
Oklahoma State still play there eight and ten. Right, we
talked about ohow State Michigan, So there's gonna be more
losses here. Cincinnati's sitting at nine and oh we broke
that down. Find the podcast Apple podcast, Google Play, uh, SoundCloud,
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of these teams could suffer a second loss, and so
all of a sudden A and M could be interesting
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Carmen and or Cincinnati. If everybody else finishes with two losses,
you're unbeaten, then you get in the playoff. If not,
think I still think they get left out. We have
a five lost Syracuse team or an undefeated NTEP to
put Syracuse in. Let's get Shawn Tucker on the national stage.
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