November 23, 2021 • 51 mins
Jason Smith and Mike Harmon react to the "Fire Matt Nagy" chants spreading to other arenas in Chicago, and explain why Bears fans will inevitably get their wishes granted. Jason explains why the New York Giants hold the key to the upcoming NFL offseason. CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora joins the guys to react to the biggest matchups of Week 12. Plus, happy anniversary to one of the most significant moments in Jets history!
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A big Well, let's see, today is a big day
for a couple of reasons. When we have a big
anniversary in the NFL. The other thing is something happened
tonight that you don't get all that off. And tonight
in the NBA, the Chicago Bulls, fresh off their victory
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over the New York Knicks, the suddenly skidding New York
Knicks our home for a game against the Pacers. And
I say game loosely because the Bulls get blown out
one oh nine to seventy seven, so they really great year,
and then a show tonight, but it happens, you know, okay,
but you know six you're still feeling good if you're
the Bulls. But you know, Bulls fans are mad right
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in Chicago fans, and man, you don't want to be
so mad at the Bulls because they're still having a
really good year. So it's like, who can we take
out our frustrations on because we're upset that we paid
this money to come to a Bulls game and they lost.
I know what we'll do. And this was the chant
at the United Center, fire Naggy all the way through
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the United Center. Doesn't yet any clear, No, you can't
really make that up and say what are they saying.
They're saying, hire Shaggy. That's what they want. They want
Shaggy to be hired by the team, to do something
to him, to walk on. I mean, it wasn't me,
isn't Isn't that what Naggy does in every press conference?
Not my fault, listen, not my fault. I wasn't around
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the team this week, alright, So don't blame me. And
that was the one week they played. Well what are
you talking about? Oh that's true. That was justin feels
at his best when Matt Nagie missed the game. Um, look,
this is a this is a really big game. Yesterday
it looked like the Bears were gonna win to Edny
Dalton comes off the bench, and then the Bears give
up an incredible final two minute drive to Huntley and
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everybody's going, you mean the dog from from Curious George. No, no, no,
the backup to Lamar Jackson didn't play at all yesterday,
and suddenly what looked like it was gonna be a
great moment for the Bears, right it was. It looked, Hey,
here they are, they're gonna win this game. They're gonna
break this losing streak. It turns into a heartbreaking defeat.
They had the longest losing streak in the NFL. It
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does not belong to the Jets. It belongs to the
Chicago Bears. And look, it's it's it's a fatal company
that that Matt Nagge is gonna be let go at
the end of this year. Right It's it's just it's
going to happen. Sometimes so much bad happens and you
get so far down the road there's just no way
you can continue on with it next year. So it's
going to happen. So it's going to happen for the Bears.
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It's just, boy, they really didn't recognize the window of hey,
do we do we really think that we have a
great head coach in Matt Naggie. I mean, do we
really think he's great? Or is he just kind of
okay at best? And that's kind of what it's been
for the Bears. They've been okay at best in the
Matt Naggi era. So yeah, you have to kind of
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recognize that and and decide to to know when to
move on. Because they said, all right, let's try one.
We like they tried one extra year for Mitchell Trabiski.
It didn't work. One more year with Matt Naggy. Okay,
you gotta learn your lesson and go Okay, the Bill
Belichick way of let's move on a year earlier instead
of a year later because it gets us going to
what's next for us? That's kind of what Chicago's got
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us subscribe to, because look, the last couple they could
have been out and into their next incarnation invention of
the team. And maybe Justin Fields is better off right
now with with a better coach offensively that's gonna be
able to put in the game plan form or you know,
I don't know, you draft the guy in the first
round your craft the offense around him, because clearly he's
your quarterback of the future. I don't know something crazy
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like that that you know another coach might have done
to help things going on in Chicago. Well, you know,
my argument with all of that is that you've been
a playoff team and you look at the NFC and
the opportunity that was there assuming the defense was healthy,
and they've been anything but between Hicks and and now
Khalil Mack done for the year, you're signing Bruce Irvan
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really trying to do turn back the clock and I
think he's coming through. That would have been great, man.
But but that's the boy, right is you're making some
of these personnel moves. But you know, I all I
heard was, well, you gotta give it to me, Matt Naggi.
He was a playoff coach two out of three years,
like okay, Yet you were very quick to point out
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his quarterback was terrible. So what what is it like
what one goes with the other. And then you have
this stat he's coached twenty games without Mitchell Robinsky and
this isn't Mitchell Drabinsky stands section here, but it's to
give a little bit of clarity of what's going on.
Uh Matt Naggy six and fourteen in those starts, two
of those wins against the Lions, your opponent on Thursday. Okay,
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so you know kind of put things in perspective in
that regard. But when when you're looking at this squad
as it's built, you know, I thought, with Andy Dalton,
a defense that look like it had some teeth to
it coming into the season. David Montgomery, maybe more Darnell Mooney,
who's become pretty solid, you'd see more cold Commet. We
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didn't see that until well the second half of the season. Again,
it seems Naggy forgot to use him in his blueprint
as it were. Allen Robinson has disappeared. Just go all
through in the offensive line is trash, and we we
can talk about that when we knew that coming into
the season, right we talked about the top three, top
five offensive lines. We like to rank a lot of
stuff we did the more obscure. Let's talk about offensive
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lines that are gonna be terrible, and they were there
right front and center. They've got a couple of young
pieces that eventually might be solid, but in the interim,
it's a all right, if you know this is a
huge deficiency, what do you do? You gotta change your offense,
whether it's for Andy Dalton those first couple of games
or certainly once Justin Fields come in and you know
what his skill set is, and not to leave him
sitting between the tackles as a sitting duck. They didn't
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do that. Start to develop a little bit, but he's
still reticent to get rid of the ball. He won't
push it because he's afraid that he's gonna make a mistake.
And instead what's he doing. He's getting absolutely clawbered time
and time again. You know, decision making and getting the
ball out is just not happening. So uh, and now
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he's probably gonna miss Thursday and it's gonna be the
Andy Dalton Show and another opportunity. And meanwhile, Bears fans,
you know, they're tired of buying books about Smith right there.
It's it's just like you with your jets. Nobody wants
to hear Joe Namath stories again, coming back purpose like
a Garth Brooks album for the forty seventh time. Hey,
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this is afternoon Drive here in Chicago. Coming up next,
we got yet another author who has got an in
depth look at the eighty five Bears. Who's gonna stop
buy and tell us stories that we've heard thousands and
thousands of times, except this time from different perspectives. That
Mike Ditcum maybe didn't chew bubble gum, that he was
the first guy to chew bubble mint gum on the sideline.
So that's gonna be a big interview we got coming
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up for you. You know, you chuckle about that man.
There's still you go into any bookstore in Chicago, there
is a giant wall of Hey, here's your favorite you
know things about Chicago books, right, you know, here's a
history lesson on you know, the Willis Tower, you know Formers,
Here's tower, here's water Tower plays. Hey, here's the Gold Coast.
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Here's this and and by the way, there's six more
books on the Bears, including the guys that the untold stories.
You know why they're untold because that guy hasn't had
his book published yet. You know guy that played three
steps in week three of the preseason. It's the way
it works. But from Matt Naggy, like the chickens have
come home to roost, right, you've had bad decision making
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we've you can just check the tape here, go go
through all the podcasts uh every Monday or Friday, or
live in a living color listening to me die a
little bit with each play call. Uh as to where
Matt Naggy is uh and Ryan Pace in terms of
my evaluations for years, they have not changed. Uh, and
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it's overdue. But the Bears being who they are, Uh,
he'll finish the year and they're still reports that you
know before the season when they look at their biographies, Uh,
you knew what their contract situations were, both he and
Ryan Pace that got removed those final lines, and it's
believed they both got contract extensions for two and knowing
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the Bears, that would mean Matt Nagee will be back. Hey,
we got a guest on the line right now who
he was an usher at Soldier Field from nineteen sixty
seven through nine eighty nine. He's just written the book
on the eight five Bears, and with their stunning admission
that in one game, Ryan Sandberg sat in his seat
that was near where he was ushering, let's go to
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him right now so we can tell that never before
heard story. No, dude, look, I hear you. How many
you want, you want a tough read to read his autobiography.
How many times do I have to see an embarrassing
story about the Mets? Yet here uh coming up? Hey,
one year in Queens, We're gonna go back and look
again at the eighties six ments. It's like, Okay, I'm
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the first guy to tell you we don't need anything
more about the eight six Mets. We know anything more.
It's but when that's what you have and you're going back,
that's all you have for your glory is that it's
all You're still looking and looking and looking. That's how
it goes. Man, it's difficult watching some of these offensive
sets with Justin Fields. They long for the days of
Jay Cutler and Mitchell Trabinsky. I can tell you that.
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And it's not all on the kid, right, And I
don't want anybody to misconstrue that because he becomes an
indictment looking at you're not giving him a chance Like, no,
I think there's some talent. I don't know that this
is the crew and the scheme or any of that
to maximize it by any stretch of the imagination. And
anybody that's watched more than a quarter of this team
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with fields or pick any quarterback that's taken a snap
in the Matt Naggi era. Uh that this is where
you're gonna go play winning football. Now it's it's ugly.
We got a guest right now who is the matre
the at a restaurant that Buddy Ryan eight at for
six consecutive weeks during their big winning streak in and
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he's here with the bombshell that Buddy Ryan asked for
Pepper on four of those six consecutive visits. He's gonna
tell that never before told story. Now do you hear
on the show? Welcome and that's it. I'm gonna make
the exhaustive list. Actually no, I don't have time for that.
The number of books, pamphlets, but you know audio teams
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that have been put out. Hey, here's another exclusive interview
thirty years later, another very special guest who was at
the Rex Grossman New Year's Eve party that really cost
him the final week of the regular season back in
our Super Bowl year at two thousand and eight. So
we got that coming up here. The Super Bowl quarterback
Rex Grossman. You can never take that away from him.
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And it's all overshadowed, right because Peyton Manning wasn't good
that day, but he won. Well. Friends, well you know,
played guitar for you. Do you know what tomorrow is
gonna be on shows in Chicago's gonna be hey, coming
up right now. We got a couple of people who
were at the Bulls game last night who were part
of the Throng of Chance. Who are fans who were
chanting fire Naggie. We're gonna hear why they were chanting that.
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Let's let's bring them on right now. Debbie and Bruce,
you're on the show. Why were you chanting fire Naggie?
Because that guy's gotta go. He stinks. WHOA, I haven't
heard that before. That's a hot take, you know. I'm
gonna I'm gonna try to text my brothers see if
I can get a log into their Comcast, Stir whatever
cable system so I can see the local news because
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I guaran damn t and there are those interviews going
on the local news tonight. That's right, lead story. It
will be the video that got out and then it
will be live on the scene just outside the Michael
Jordan's statue. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern,
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Heart Radio app. So the Buccaneers, look, they win in
their seven and three and they're still at the top
of what you would call the best teams in the NFL.
And we'll have more on them coming up in a
few minutes. But look, the Giants lose tonight, and Daniel
Jones at this point, you understand that the Giants are
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going to move on from him. All right, tonight he
was He was a hundred and sixty seven yards through
the air, did throw a touchdown, did throw two bad picks,
got sacked a couple of times late when the Giants
and their last gas drive. And clearly, at this point,
this is the You're nearing the end of his third
season in the National Football League, and he has not
shown that I can be a franchise quarterback. His best
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year was as a rookie when he threw twenty four touchdowns.
He threw eleven touchdowns last year, He's thrown eight touchdowns
this year. Everything is moving down. His yardage, his quarterback rating.
He's not someone that is showing enough where you can say,
all right, let's go in on him next year and
build a team around him. You can't because he's just
a guy. And that's something that has not yet manifested
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itself on the NFL season, but it's going to because
the Giants, look, they're going to be wholesale changes after
this year in New York. There's gonna be a new
head coach. There's probably gonna be a new GM and
because everything they've done the last few years is not working.
They've been terrible since right so much we got dogged.
Kwon Barkley is gonna be great. Sae Kwon Barkley is
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just a guy. He got hurt. He's just a guy.
Daniel Jones just a guy. Your two big lynch pins
are just players. So they're going to just clear everything
out in the off season's just gonna be a new
head coach, get knew everything and New York Giants is
going to be a destination and it's going to get
a big head coach. They're gonna get a big GM
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and they're gonna go get a big quarterback. They're not
gonna try to draft somebody because there's there's not enough
where with the with the early picks they have, we
can move up and get the number one overall pick
and take who exactly. You don't have that big end
all be all a person that's there's no Trevor Lawrence.
And after going down the road of trying to develop
Daniel Jones for three years and not working, the the
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the fan base and the team isn't going to have
patience for that. They're gonna go big game hunting in
the off season and a big time quarterback they are
going to snare at the telling you, man at the
top of the list is gonna be Russell Wilson. Aaron
Rodgers could get involved too, depending on how sideways things
go with the Packers over the course of the next
few months. But Russell Wilson clearly it's not working in Seattle.
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And he came back this year because all right, I
want to give it one more chance and see things
started out well. He got hurt, the Seahawks couldn't win.
He's come back, the Seahawks still can't win. He's just
got that grass is greener itch in him that as
much as all I want to stay, I want to stay.
I want to stay. You can tell by his body
language what he has said in the past year about
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moving on and not being respected because he knows wherever
I go, they're gonna listen to me because they're just
don't listen to me here because they want to listen
to Pete and John Schneider wants to listen to Pete.
And so I'm never gonna be that, even though Pete
without me can't win, and they understand that. But Pete
Carroll's got his contract extension unless he walks away. Russell
Wilson's gonna want to go someplace else where he can
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be that guy. He's everybody sees what Tom Brady did
two years ago, Mike, and that's a really big thing,
is that they saw Tom Brady say, I am sick
of you not listening to me here in New England.
I'm gonna go leave and find the last few years
of my career are gonna be mainly enjoyable place else.
And what happened. Brady goes to Tampa at Bruce Arians
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as a player's coach. Brady is a loving life. Every
five minutes he's saying something different, giving out his opinions
which we never heard for the fifteen years he was
in New England. Uh, it's a new life for him.
Aaron Rodgers saw that and said, maybe I can get
to a new place and to listen to me, I
have to worry about guys like good at Conston and
and the and the and the front office really just
making all the calls. And Russell Wilson sees the same thing.
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Maybe I don't need to be here. I could be
someplace else. The Giants can easily overnight become a destination
and it's going to be that way in the offseason,
and it could be Russell Wilson, it might be somebody else,
but he'd be the guy at the top of the list.
There were rumors he could go there a few years ago.
But look, Wilson's a young thirty four. He's someone that's
got a few years left. He's got at least five
or six years left long as he could stay healthy,
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because he's that kind of quarterback that he's not gonna
suddenly fall off the cliff. So he's he's gonna be
the most intriguing guy. And he's a guy that that
is going to be the first guy that that Giants
fans and the new Giants have been austration wants. There
will be other players available but he will be at
the top of that list. They're gonna remake this team.
He's gonna be there. It's gonna be big, you know.
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And look after Michigan gets blown out on Saturday sixty
two to three against Ohio State, Harbor is gonna say, Okay,
I've gone as far as I could. Maybe it's Jim Harbor,
it's somebody, it's somebody big. It's a big splash, and
it's New York and they have had the last few
years of going small. We're gonna draft a quarterback out
of Duke. We're going to bring in a head coach
who was a special teams coordinator with the Patriots. No,
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now they're gonna go big. It's gonna be big names.
Trust me. The Giants hold the key to the off season. Well,
I think it's interesting. I mean, just go back to
the Seattle ze Ox for the moment um. Firing Pete
Carroll should be priority number one. At this point. He
seems disengaged. That press conference nonsense of Sunday and what
are we doing? You're not nude to this? Yeah, losing
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and being embarrassed weekend week out. Yeah, okay, maybe you
haven't experienced that but you'ed grown ass, may and stay
in front of the microphone. Finish what you need to say.
Come up with a coherent answer for why you've not
established a run game, why the offensive line is sieve like,
and why you only have two playmakers who you can't
seem to get the ball enough. It's been a train
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wreck all year long. I I do everything I could
move heaven and earth to make sure that Russell Wilson
finishes his career as a member of the Seahawks. But
that's just me. As for the Giant, Yeah, I mean
we watched this game tonight and the two interceptions for
Daniel Jones, I probably held my hands up like I
was in the middle of like I don't know, meditation
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or some kind of gravity pulling. It's like, this is
how I'm gonna get my muscles. Uh spurred on? Is
just holding out my arms for five minutes gonna be
looking what if I've seen little screen pass That really
was just confusing as all can be. And the other
almost like he was playing dodgeball looking for Lavonte David.
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I you're out, okay, but the other guy caught the ball,
so now you are too. But that's that's where you're at,
and and not to make excuses for him, like there
are moments that he looks good right, move on, the
move makes plays with his legs and you sit there
and you go back to what Judge and Gettleman and
the brass there have built and they invested a lot
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of money in Barkley is Look. We We've talked about
this for years. I'm a believer. If that's your guy,
you go get your guy and let the chips fall
where they may. Likewise, you know, with a quarterback, if
you decide you see something that maybe the rest of
the world doesn't, right, because it's all about zagging when
everybody's zigging. That's how you win, uh, at anything you're
doing in this world. Right, Yes, you can follow some
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of the the stalwarts and the folks that have had success,
but that you're still gonna have to find and and
fill in the blanks. See I do this after walking
around you know all the Jurassic parks ride because you
know what you do, you get some frog DNA in
a way you go. But the reality is that you've
got a team where you did make a lot of
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bets on guys that were injured well, we're gonna get
the best of Kenny Golladay. You heard his name mentioned
more than once or twice other than you know, they
signed Kenny Golladay. Don't forget Kenny Golladay. When he gets playing,
why he might be really good, right after he played
five games last year, right, and then he comes in
and he's been hurt or invisible all year long. You've
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got an offensive line that that struggles obviously Jones decision making.
It needs to be better than what it is. But
you know, Darius Tony, he's been hurt a good chunk
of the year. He expected him to be a big playmaker.
Darius Slayton was hurt. He missed a chunk of time.
So you haven't exactly been running and not that any
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NFL team has, but it's the alright, you also built
a really shoddy, you know, hut around him to try
to make this thing work, and and it gets blown over,
uh time and time again. So but they have to
make the decision. I don't I didn't see anything of
trying to click any clack clack clack find out it's like,
all right, he's got one more year on his deal, right,
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that's it. And then you probably move on, and you
may decide to do that for some quarterback desperate team
this offseason. Look, look, if if I thought the Giants
could remake themselves in an office, all right, they might not.
But it's just been too much and they've been too
bad for too long. I can't believe that that this
has been accepted. There's certain franchise where it's like, no, no, no, no,
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we suck for one year, that's not the case the
next year. And that's usually the case of the Giants.
The Giants are bad, No, we're fixing that in a year. Right,
when the Steelers have that one down year, No, we're
fixing it and we're back next year. You know, yeah, yeah,
most teams, the Giants it it. It's baffling that they
have stunk for this long and they've stuck with this
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plan that is just not working and it's not getting
better and it's not getting to the point where okay,
I could see it turning the corner. And and so
when when that's the your outcome, there's only one way
to combat that, and that is we are cleaning house,
and they're gonna do it right. Every every big name
is gonna be on the table. The Giants are such
a big drawing card that, hey, if we have to
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go in and everything is new, and that's gonna be
the big thing. Because if you come into a situation where, okay, like,
who's gonna really want to go be the quarterback in
Green Bay to follow Aaron Rodgers? Nobody, right, No one
want to do that. No one wants to be the
quarterback to follow Russell Wilson in Seattle because number one,
you're following in the legend shoes, and number two, you
know that you're gonna go in and have a little
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little to no impact because it's gonna be the head
coach the GM everybody else that that's calling all the shots.
So that that's a difficult situation to walk into. When
you're walking into everything being new, the excitement about starting
over and here's what we've done, and hey, we're gonna
take our nice pieces that we have from the year
before and and and push them over the next year.
Maybe Candarius Tony's gonna be a star. Certainly in limited time.
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He has shown that he can be a pretty decent player.
He may be the best are back on the roster too,
But it's it's not very difficult to to remake a
team in a year when you are when you are
hitting the big positions like they are boom GM head coach, quarterbacks,
what they're gonna do right, and and that's and that's
a that's an enviable situation to go into, right. I'll
put it to you this way, if you when when
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I was in ESPN and I was a production assistant
there and I was an associate producer there before I
was became a talent and I worked behind the scenes,
and it was it was great. It was fun. I
was in production and it was it was so good.
But there were so many people. There were so many cooks,
there were so many people that were in charge of
your career and and and and so many layers between
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you and the top that it was hard to get
your voice heard at times. And it was you know,
it's frustrating for people. I understand that, because ESPN is
this big machine. So then Fox starts in the there
was a summer of that's when Fox Sports one started,
which is you know back then was Fox Sports Net
and which is morphed into Fox Sports one. In Fox
Sports too, and so many people, I was one of them,
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wanted to go to to Fox right, and we're starting
off in Los Angeles. It was it was a new
place to go live, and who wouldn't want to go
live in l A for a while. It was a
chance to go in at the same level as everybody
else and make your mark on the on the organization
and be able to be someone who stands out and
maybe you're moving up the ladder a little bit more.
It's just it's just an enviable situation to go into,
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and so so many people decided, yeah, I want to apply,
want to go there, and it was the best move
I ever made at that point in my life. I
wanted to go do something, and I went and it
was great. And here I am twenty five years later,
still in Los Angeles and you know, talking to you
every night on there. So my life has turned out
pretty well. But that situation, when you have a blank
canvas in front of you, that's really enviable. When I
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can go in and I cannot just be someone that's
got to feel my way around the organization, I can
be the organization. Russell Wilson can walk into New York
and go, hey, guys, this is what I think, this
is what we're gonna do and a season head coach
like Jim Harbow wasna ga gonna listen to that quarterback. Okay,
I want this to work and let's do this. And
I'm gonna say that it's just a better thing when
you are making all those changes at once. And that's
the Giants are gonna do and with the power of
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New York, I mean, the good New York behind them,
not the Jets. You're going to play for the Giants,
which actually has a legacy of winning, and the bar
is set so low because the Giants have been so
bad for so long. All you have to do is
say in the playoff hunt the first couple of years,
and fans are gonna go, thank you. Oh my god.
I don't want to see any more New York post
headlines about how bad the Jets are. Oh thank goodness.
It's gonna be that easy in New York. That's why
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everything this offseason, what the Giants do, that's gonna be
the Domino effect. But I still think though that as
you're you're looking at the roster, Yeah, you can change
out some of the cooks, but you still gotta figure
out your fifty three man roster. Right if I read
do you right now? And obviously Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers
are are a different piece of this because well they're
they're tradeable assets. If you just look at guys that
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are free agents, I mean we one of the top
names is gonna be your game. Mike White. M hm,
Couchel Rubinsky. Can you imagine what Mike White is a
free agent? The Giant sided to be their starter. He's
great for a decade. I'll just say legitimately, it's not
like you've got a list of heavyweights that suddenly just
show up and poof, Tata, We've got our guy, Like
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you're gonna have to move heaven and Earth and make
a lot of promises to get one of those big boys.
And once again, Aaron Rodgers, I would love to see
the contract. Everybody keeps telling me. All he's gotta say
is he's unhappy and they'll have to work to trade him.
Like thank thank could glide through their teeth that entire time, right,
just like he wasn't allegedly wasn't ever showing up again
(26:37):
based on some of the insider reports, Tata there he is,
all right. We We've reworked some things and here I am,
and I brought Randall Cobb with me, so I things
things change very quickly. But you know, trying to remake
all of this, it's like when you fire a head coach,
you better have someone that's you've already communicated with that
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really wants the job you think can do it. Otherwise
you're now in a vast waste land. And certainly we
know what the quarterback position. You don't get that right.
It doesn't work right, and and the whole squad uh
starts to be taken out. Even when you still have
a good quarterback, it can still go south quickly. And
all I could read you the list of guys according
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to sport Track and all these other places that do contracts,
I don't think there's a single option that you're really
excited about hitting the free agency at that at that position.
So you're gonna have to make some big bets uh
and get all buy in. And and one thing we
know is if even if stuff isn't working, if it's
going to suddenly cost me millions of dollars, I e.
(27:40):
I have to pay a guy to go away. A
lot of NFL owners and business people in general are
gonna tell you, Yeah, I don't want to do that. Look,
how when does it run out? So let's see how
it flows from there? Twitter, and how about a fresh cup?
Mike gets swollen done The Jason Smith Show with my
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if Daniel Jones wasn't oh and eight on primetime games,
(28:01):
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a guy, we've been tied to for a long time.
He is an insider at CBS NFL Extraordinaire friend of
the show Jason lockingfor Jay Happy butt fumble out of
her three Hey yeah, wow, I didn't. I didn't realize
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it was, but I sneaks to appreciate the sentiment. I
do remember where I was when it happened. Um, I
think we all remember where we were. It's one of
those from the hotel room in New York on Thanksgiving night.
That was a year where my family was up there
with me. We were staying through the weekend and everybody
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was in bed and I was in a little cot
in the uh like the the I don't know which
you could the four year of the hotel room watching
on TV with no sound and wishing I was at
home where I could like DV right back and forth,
you know what I mean, where you could like have
the the TiVo kind of deal and go back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth. The first up I
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really ever used a TiVo remote control, I grabbed it
and just said, hey, everybody, you gotta watch this. Yeah yeah,
And then we then we delayed dinner for a half hours.
We might never see something like this again. No, I
remember watching it going as soon as it happened, I said,
that play is going to live forever. It's never going
to not be something. It's going to be at that
and that that that stands. She said, what's the Jets
(30:11):
franchise in one play? I would say, well, it's the
butt fumble. Oh okay, there it is franchise in one play. Yeah.
That was pretty much it for Rex, right, I mean
that was pretty much like this is run of course. Well,
I do want to say before we get on to
another quarterback, is that I dig the fact as I
get exactly where you're coming from, because you know, hey,
you know, you know when when the bud Fumble was
going on, you had you know, you were in the
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middle of your your career now and everything was great.
But when it comes to family, it's yeah, you can
stay on the cow and the fold out cot and
we're all in a hotel room. Yeah, you know, everybody
else was, Yeah it was they got the bed and
I was on the fold out even though I was
the only one who worked that day. But that's exactly
how it shouldn't be. For that is my life, and
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I am completely at peace with it. And and I'm
blessed and thankful that I have people to take of
beds while I take the cop because that might have
would do well. That is true. That is right. So
once in a while, you gotta suck it up with
that Okay, Saturday Live skit about like the dog park
for dudes. That is that's real. Like my circle gets
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tighter every year, right me. I don't know. Maybe I
should be on a couch right now with my feet up,
like talking to a therapist. But I do think there's
some there's some truth in that. No, it happens. Look, look,
I get to the point where I say, hey, you
know what, I'm sorry, I'm old enough now. No I'm
not going to sleep on the floor and have no No,
(31:38):
I need the bed. Okay, so we're gonna we're gonna
take that. Uh speaking of you said, you said dog
let's go to the dog pound? And you know, Baker
Mayfield UH did the one thing you're not supposed to
do take on the fan base today when he was
asked about the fans reaction to him, uh as dinged
up as he is as difficult as the Brown's offense
hasn't scoring points, aren't we just gonna see the Brown said, hey, listen, Baker,
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take a seat. We can hide the injury as to
why you're sitting, so we can get some new energy
and in case Keenum is going to be the quarterback
at some point soon. Um. Well, look, they play at
Baltimore Sunday night. I think that's gonna be a tough
gig for them. Not that Baltimore is a great team
by any stretch, and they have serious limitations on defense,
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but you look at Baker physically right now, and that
they can't really get the ball to receivers. Um, they're
kind of living and dying with Nick Chubb. Even when
they get off the fast starts. It's it's been rough.
They had the forty Burger, they hung on the Bengals
in the Battle of Ohio. But um, in their last
six games, the other five they've been held the seventeen
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or fewer. Um, we'll see. I mean, then they have
the bye week and then they host the Ravens the
following week, in which could be you know, sort of
a statement on their season, like if they get swept
in those games and Baltimore plays Cleveland in between. But again,
I'm just like Baltimore plase Pittsburgh in between, but again,
Cleveland's on the by. You know, I don't know that
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they could survive being swept, and I don't think Baltimore
is necessarily good enough to sweep them. But if the
Rams are gonna hemorrhage yards on the ground like they
are right now, and they're gonna have a quarterback who's
limited pushing the ball downfield, um, and they have really
suffered without Conklin at right tackle, and now they're they're
they're giving up sacks at an alarming rate. Um. None
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of that bodes well. So we'll see, but you shouldn't.
I mean, it's it's it had been a while, like
I want to say, eighteen months maybe more since Baker
Mayfield had said something where you could kind of have
your antennas go up, right. I mean, I think I
remember the Duke Johnson stuff talking about his contract and
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then he threw a trainer under the bus, and there
was a lot of stuff that happened like late in
the Hugh Jackson regime. But things have been pretty much
on message, like on point. But I just don't know
why he had to, like, especially when he didn't talk
yesterday it's like to wait a minute, you hit the
Pauls button because you don't want to do anything that
makes the situation worse. You actually, you know, I don't
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think it's good to avoid the media, but I get it.
But then they come back today after your wife had
the Instagram thing in the in the in the interim,
and to take that approach, yeah, that would give me
some pause if I'm running the Cleveland Browns. But I
don't know that it leads to an immediate benching chaostin sues.
And that's what we saw Kansas City and Dallas. What
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am I supposed to take out of that game? Because
Kansas City? I mean it's not like they were pinball offense,
and we talked about the defense. You know, they hadn't
played anybody that old narrative, Jason. And then they go
and they keep the Dallas Cowboys to nine points. Well,
I would say, what I take from this that experiment
of putting Chris Jones out on the perimeter and having
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him sort of um become your edge presence was was
was was ill fated and short lived, thankfully for Chiefs fans.
And he's back healthy and he's absolutely wrecking things. On
the inside. They've stabilized a cornerback, They've got Tyrn Matthew
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playing better ball. They sort of rediscovered a little bit
of a swag in a mojo and it wasn't just
a Dallas game. You can go back four weeks now
and they're getting more pressure. Um, they're being playing more
sound football. They're they're they're more consistent. Uh, they've they've
they've stabilized, and they've been helped by a Chiefs offense
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that isn't necessarily swinging for the fences all the time,
but is content to hold the football, content to play
time of possession ball, which again limits the amount of
time to defenses on the field. Uh. It has cut
down on some of the turn overs, although they're not
completely out of the woods with that, but certainly it's
better now than it looked, you know, four or five
weeks ago. So Kansas City is in it. They're probably
(36:10):
gonna stay in it. If they can get Josh Gordon
or any other thing going in the passing game, then
I think they'll really be, um, you know, the team
to beat. I'm not going to crown anybody in the
a f C though, because it's just it's so weak
to week, you know, I mean, you've got twelve teams
that are five hundred or better, and then you got
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four that are absolute you know, the dregs, and among
the twelve that are five hundred are better a lot
of you know, from week to week, a lot of
things can shift and change. So I think the offensive line, though,
is better now than it looks six weeks ago as
well for Kansas City, So things are certainly trending in
the right direction. Jason Lockett for our guest to Jason
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Smiths with Mike Harmon live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
All right, let's talk about Seattle here for a couple
of seconds. Speak is It was a really bizarre scene
yesterday after a loss. The offense looked lost. Pete Carroll
came out, got very upset that the team is losing,
left to press conference, came back. How does this end
for Seattle to see? Does this end with Pete Carroll leaving?
(37:15):
Does this end with Russell Wilson existed? I think it
ends with Russell Wilson leaving. Um. They have struck out
mightily in the first round for quite some time now.
The rafter isn't nearly as deep or top heavy even
as it used to be. There's issues all over the
offensive line. Um. They can't run the ball and have
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difficulty even just finding it running back to rely on
weekend week out. Um. And the defense is a mess.
I mean it just it just is. Uh. They're not
a very good football team. And to lose the way
they have last week was one thing. I thought they
felt hard. I mean that going to Lambeau and Russ's
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first game back from the finger and all that, I
thought they showed better there than they did yesterday. Um.
And so it's like, well, we're in this hole, and
how do we get out of it? They don't have
any extra draft capital. Um that you know, trade down
trade down stuff hasn't resulted in a whole lot of
future picks, and the picks they've made haven't been nearly
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good enough. So and they're in pretty tough division with
with some aggressive teams. So I think it leads to
if we really want to, you know, if if Russ
isn't if we're so bad that Russ alone isn't good
for ten wins anymore then and Russ isn't going to
do an extension with us, and Russ has two years
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left on his deal, then maybe it's time to shop
Russ now Jayson. One of the best trending stories of
the night makes me I'm entertained because it comes out
of a basketball game. The Indiana Pacers absolutely demolishing the
Chicago Bulls at the United States and the highlight of
the night Chicago United fire naggi a day after a
(39:05):
chance all day long at Soldier Field, fire Naggy Bears
play the Lions on Thanksgiving boil versus Dalton, Let's get
it on, uh and look it's the Bears have never
fired a coach in season. Might they finally do something
against the Grain. I don't know that they have somebody
on staff or they feel like it's kind of who
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they really want to see necessarily run the team. But
this is gonna be a tough game for them in
a short week, and Detroit is playing with more spirit
and fire right now, then, um, the Bears are in
Detroit's going they got their tie, They're going to eventually
get a win. I think it could be here, and
that doesn't mean that the family there would do something
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even with a nine day break before they play again.
But I think they'll certainly be conversations, um, because ultimately,
these are the people you're trying to get, uh to
pay your bills, and these are the people you're gonna
be trying to get, you know, five years from now,
to go out to Arlington Heights for this new thing
that they're probably gonna be looking to build in the
(40:12):
race track there where they bought the land and people
aren't buying it right now. That's that's pretty clear. Um. Again,
I don't know where it goes in the in the
interim where it gets any better and fields being banged up, Um,
it's not a good look for anybody. But just check
(40:35):
out their schedule down the stretch there. There's there's there's
not a whole lot of games where you feel like
they're they're in great shape. And again I don't really
even like them in this spot Thursday. You look at
what Detroit has done, how they're battling against good teams,
and not to say that Chicago and get Baltimore game,
but Baltimore is playing with Huntley at quarterback. Um, I
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think the bottom might be really about to drop out Chicago. Hey,
j Lastly, you know, watching the the Bucks play tonight
without Antonio Brown and they get back on track against
the Giants. Are you believing in them a little bit
more than some of the other teams now or they
still have issues that other I've never not believed in them.
I mean you look at the institutional knowledge there in
(41:19):
the been there, done that of the whole operation. And um,
I mean, who's bet again? How do you bet against
Tom Brady Like he's he's had a They've had a
couple of down weeks like every team in the league.
But the dudes still could throw fifty touchdown passes this year.
Getting Gronk back is huge. I just think it settles
things down for Brady's conscience and it makes him feel
(41:42):
like when all off sales, I know, I've got a
guy here who's just gonna know what I'm thinking when
he's thinking at the same time, and we'll street ball
it up if we have to or whatever. Uh. You know,
I think they've still got some kinks to work through
defensively for sure. Um, and losing Davella is never a
good thing because as he's a special player. But no,
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I would not count the Bucks out whatsoever. I I mean,
you know, we I would have said, I think Green
Bay is the best team in the league. And then
you got Aaron Rodgers saying, Hey, this this turf toil
thing is like really really bad and I'm not going
to practice again this week and I hope it feels
better after the bybe but if somebody steps on this
thing again, could really be problematic. And we know Jordan
(42:26):
Love can't play, so you know, you just start looking
around and with the Rams have looked like lately, and uh,
you know, maybe Arizona's didn't flavor du jour again because
Kyle will be back on the other side of the bye,
but you know they're they're going into some uncharted territory
there for that whole group, So I don't know, Man,
your guests is as good as anybody's. He's on Twitter
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at Jason Locke and for that is at Jason Locke
and for a CBS Sports NFL insider. J is always body.
Appreciate your time, Enjoy the rest of the night, rest
of the week. We'll talk to you soon. I think,
thanks always, my plus and gentlemen, Happy Thanksgiving. Be sure
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So Monday Night Football, we watched the Buccaneers beat the
Giants thirty to ten, and it was a big win
for Tampa, a big loss for the Giants, but not
as big a loss as the anniversary we're gonna celebrate
now it was nine years ago. Tonight, you're probably settling
in and after finishing Thanksgiving dinner, getting ready to watch
the night football game. Looked like it could be pretty good.
(43:35):
You know, Patriots are always really good. Jets them into
a couple of a f C championship games in a row. No,
it is gonna be pretty good. And as a result,
we got this play which will now live forever. Tom
more than an Indianapois the offensive pool. Maybe you're gonna
busted play here, and then then chances gets hit. The
ball is loose and it's alive. I have never seen
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this before in my life. Watch this. Vince will Fork
is gonna throw Brandon Moore back into his quarterback. He's
gonna fumble the football. This is what Reggie White used
to do to people. Fork lift him and just lift
him off the ground. Mark Sanchez not expecting it, and
it was the backside of Brandon Moore to knock the
ball out. Okay, I'm going to dispel a long term
(44:20):
belief about this play that is simply not true. You
hear the description there, and you see the play, and
you think, oh, Vince will Fork, you know, just push
Brandon More and and and and Mark Sanchez ran into
him and was unexpected. The ball pops out, and Stephen Gregory,
pride of Curtis High School and Syracuse University, both of
my alma maters, runs it back for a touchdown. Um,
(44:41):
Vince will Fork did not do that. That did not happen.
Mark Sanchez, our teammate here at Fox Sports Radio. Why
he ran into Brandon Moore. I have no idea. Watch
the play. You watch the play, it's a busted play.
Sanche is looking the hand off. It doesn't happen. He
turns to run the football. Vince will Fork and brand
More are kind of standing each other up right, So
(45:03):
it's not Vince will Fork is pushing Brandon More back
and pushes him into a lane. Mark Sanchez simply runs
and runs into Brandon More. He could run to the right,
where he would gain another yard or two before he
gets tackled, but for some reason, he runs right into
Brandon More. When Brandon Moore starts to fall down, when
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Vince will will Fork pushes him over is after Sanchez
already hits him. So that's when, yeah, okay, you're gonna
push him over there. When somebody hits you from behind
and and you're falling backwards, that's when Vince will Fork
pushes him over. But up until that, Vince will Fork
and Brandon More are kind of fighting each other and
they're standing up, and for some reason, Mark Sanchez with
the football decides to run right into the back of him.
(45:45):
He could have run into into a little bit of
a hole and gone in for a tackle. For some reason,
he just runs right into the back of Brandon More.
And I don't understand why. I'll never understand why. Why
How do you just decide to run into the back
of your offensive lineman and you have the ball pretty
good in your hands. You know, you are running into crap,
into traffic, you're not running around the outside, and you're
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holding the ball a little bit loose. You know, as
a quarterback you gotta hold lot of it about. Sanchez
had really big hands, right, that was one big thing
about him coming out of college. He's got big hands,
all lot of the football, can throw it far. And
I don't know why he did it, and I don't know,
and I it's it's a play that when I saw it,
I knew they're gonna play this forever. The world could
end and it could be millions of years before we
see life on the planet again. Where you're talking about
(46:29):
humans upright, you know, because we have to go back
to being fish and then grow legs and come out
of the ocean. And still somebody would find an old
The first thing they would find to be an old
videotape and they say, football follies, what was football? Let's
put this in. Oh, let's let's create a machine that
we can watch this and the first thing they will
see is the buck fumble. It will live forever, absolutely forever.
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But that's how the play went. Don't don't think it
was something where this super human thing Vince will Fork
did was watch the play and you will see he's
standing up and Mark Sanchez just runs in to the
into his aligneman and I and I really I don't
understand how that happened. Well, it's a stuff of legend now,
what the story really was doesn't matter anymore. You can't
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try to rewrite this, try to go to be a
lecturer around the country, going, you know, they really got
this one wrong, and then you follow it up with
like forty five minutes on taunting penalties and why they're wrong.
You know, the Monday night football game passes intercepted, he's
down at the thirty nine. Look, he and ten of
his closest buddies just ran sixty yards to the other
end of the end zone to point and post for
(47:32):
pictures and no taunting. Uh, that happened again tonight. I've
just started keeping count of the team celebrations in this nonsense.
But you know, I've now watched the play another forty
times because you know, as soon as you bring up
the subbruter film, we gotta go back and do it.
And you're right. I think I think they're both fighting.
But for Sanchez, perhaps he thought maybe he'd get a
(47:54):
little more push out of his offensive lineman than he
did and not in the I'm going backwards style as
Vince wolf Work did overpower him. I might not have
been as dramatic, But what are you doing. You're getting
in there and sell sell sell because that audio is
gonna live forever, right, people don't have always have the
(48:15):
ability to YouTube it in the moment to get the
video recollection of it. No, play that audio, and now
you've got a picture in your mind of a superhuman
Vince Wilfork lifting up and saying I own this space.
And of course then the butt fumble ensues. You can't
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change history, buddy, No I can't. I can't. I can't
keep a rock and roll That's what I was saying.
And you can't change this history. No, no, no, no,
I can't. I can't. And the worst part is is
that it's not like it was all bad playing a
close game. No, the Jets got absolutely blown out. And
I want to say the Patriots scored three touchdowns in
like twenty one second. It was. That was one of
(48:57):
the most terms of events. It was. It was. It
was just so abysmal. And that's the play. And it's
nine years old today and it's not and every I
see it. I get what people said. I know when
I woke up this morning, my phone goes, I go
many gifts of the butt fumble? Am I getting out? Yeah?
(49:17):
I get it. You know, it's like you know that
many people really identify you, not only with the team,
but think enough or as little about you. No, no,
it's it's like it's my family checking in on me
twice a year, right, because it's twice here. They want
to know how how you know I have talked to
Jason a while, And I'll get emails and text from
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people that I haven't talked to and I don't know
eight ten months and I'll get it. Comes on Bobby
Benee a day. They check it with me in the summer,
Hey see how you know? And butt Fumble Day, and
it's always happy butt fumble Day. Oh, by the way,
happy birthday. Sorry I missed it four days ago. Yeah,
no problem, Yeah it was good. How was your birthday? Great? Yeah,
I went out to dinner. But those are the two
days a year people always my family checks in on me.
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It's like, oh, let's make sure Jason's all right. Hey,
it's Bobby Beni a day. Hey, it's butt fumble Day.
I mean, that's it. That's my family knows. Now. I
won't hear from again, you know, maybe a little bit
of a text at Christmas with a couple of them,
but not really. No, no, no, now, they're I'm good
Jason's And in November I checked in, he's good. We
got the winner coming up, bro. Yeah, I'll see how
he's doing again. Next July one, we'll get for Bobby
Benia day. We'll we'll do it. Then. Have you ever
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given anybody the argument that your esteem co host has
made about how the deal wasn't really as absurd for
the Mets and Bobby could have done better by taking
the money up front. Yeah. You know. The thing is
I I start explaining that and then it's like, um,
it's when you see when you try to explain something
to a child and after like five seconds they just
(50:43):
lose interest and just look someplace else and go, yeah,
I don't care anymore. You know, it's actually business wise,
it was pretty good sense. What yes, Because here's the
thing is that if they paid him out for his
regular contract and then they just the eyes just glaze over,
they look away, then I'll go, God is lost you?
I I really I've just like when I like when
I'm coaching the girls at soccer and I know, okay,
(51:06):
I have like ten seconds to get my point across
before they just decide okay, I'm looking at something else right.
I'm like, okay, I got ten and I can see
I got ten seconds and this this this, Okay, do
we do we have? And now they're gone. Now what's
over here? I'm looking over I'm looking down at my shoe.
I'm looking Oh, I saw a bird fly. It's like,
oh my god, I have so little time. I so
(51:28):
like that that that's that story. So what happened is
and then and then when you talk about the rates
of inflation and when you got then the other eyes
just glaze over. They go, Bobby, yeah, yeah, Bud fumble.
Mule sounds about right. Mule. Gotta get the mule in there.
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A big Well, let's see, today is a big day
for a couple of reasons. When we have a big
anniversary in the NFL. The other thing is something happened
tonight that you don't get all that off. And tonight
in the NBA, the Chicago Bulls, fresh off their victory
(00:45):
over the New York Knicks, the suddenly skidding New York
Knicks our home for a game against the Pacers. And
I say game loosely because the Bulls get blown out
one oh nine to seventy seven, so they really great year,
and then a show tonight, but it happens, you know, okay,
but you know six you're still feeling good if you're
the Bulls. But you know, Bulls fans are mad right
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in Chicago fans, and man, you don't want to be
so mad at the Bulls because they're still having a
really good year. So it's like, who can we take
out our frustrations on because we're upset that we paid
this money to come to a Bulls game and they lost.
I know what we'll do. And this was the chant
at the United Center, fire Naggy all the way through
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the United Center. Doesn't yet any clear, No, you can't
really make that up and say what are they saying.
They're saying, hire Shaggy. That's what they want. They want
Shaggy to be hired by the team, to do something
to him, to walk on. I mean, it wasn't me,
isn't Isn't that what Naggy does in every press conference?
Not my fault, listen, not my fault. I wasn't around
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the team this week, alright, So don't blame me. And
that was the one week they played. Well what are
you talking about? Oh that's true. That was justin feels
at his best when Matt Nagie missed the game. Um, look,
this is a this is a really big game. Yesterday
it looked like the Bears were gonna win to Edny
Dalton comes off the bench, and then the Bears give
up an incredible final two minute drive to Huntley and
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everybody's going, you mean the dog from from Curious George. No, no, no,
the backup to Lamar Jackson didn't play at all yesterday,
and suddenly what looked like it was gonna be a
great moment for the Bears, right it was. It looked, Hey,
here they are, they're gonna win this game. They're gonna
break this losing streak. It turns into a heartbreaking defeat.
They had the longest losing streak in the NFL. It
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does not belong to the Jets. It belongs to the
Chicago Bears. And look, it's it's it's a fatal company
that that Matt Nagge is gonna be let go at
the end of this year. Right It's it's just it's
going to happen. Sometimes so much bad happens and you
get so far down the road there's just no way
you can continue on with it next year. So it's
going to happen. So it's going to happen for the Bears.
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It's just, boy, they really didn't recognize the window of hey,
do we do we really think that we have a
great head coach in Matt Naggie. I mean, do we
really think he's great? Or is he just kind of
okay at best? And that's kind of what it's been
for the Bears. They've been okay at best in the
Matt Naggi era. So yeah, you have to kind of
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recognize that and and decide to to know when to
move on. Because they said, all right, let's try one.
We like they tried one extra year for Mitchell Trabiski.
It didn't work. One more year with Matt Naggy. Okay,
you gotta learn your lesson and go Okay, the Bill
Belichick way of let's move on a year earlier instead
of a year later because it gets us going to
what's next for us? That's kind of what Chicago's got
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us subscribe to, because look, the last couple they could
have been out and into their next incarnation invention of
the team. And maybe Justin Fields is better off right
now with with a better coach offensively that's gonna be
able to put in the game plan form or you know,
I don't know, you draft the guy in the first
round your craft the offense around him, because clearly he's
your quarterback of the future. I don't know something crazy
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like that that you know another coach might have done
to help things going on in Chicago. Well, you know,
my argument with all of that is that you've been
a playoff team and you look at the NFC and
the opportunity that was there assuming the defense was healthy,
and they've been anything but between Hicks and and now
Khalil Mack done for the year, you're signing Bruce Irvan
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really trying to do turn back the clock and I
think he's coming through. That would have been great, man.
But but that's the boy, right is you're making some
of these personnel moves. But you know, I all I
heard was, well, you gotta give it to me, Matt Naggi.
He was a playoff coach two out of three years,
like okay, Yet you were very quick to point out
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his quarterback was terrible. So what what is it like
what one goes with the other. And then you have
this stat he's coached twenty games without Mitchell Robinsky and
this isn't Mitchell Drabinsky stands section here, but it's to
give a little bit of clarity of what's going on.
Uh Matt Naggy six and fourteen in those starts, two
of those wins against the Lions, your opponent on Thursday. Okay,
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so you know kind of put things in perspective in
that regard. But when when you're looking at this squad
as it's built, you know, I thought, with Andy Dalton,
a defense that look like it had some teeth to
it coming into the season. David Montgomery, maybe more Darnell Mooney,
who's become pretty solid, you'd see more cold Commet. We
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didn't see that until well the second half of the season. Again,
it seems Naggy forgot to use him in his blueprint
as it were. Allen Robinson has disappeared. Just go all
through in the offensive line is trash, and we we
can talk about that when we knew that coming into
the season, right we talked about the top three, top
five offensive lines. We like to rank a lot of
stuff we did the more obscure. Let's talk about offensive
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lines that are gonna be terrible, and they were there
right front and center. They've got a couple of young
pieces that eventually might be solid, but in the interim,
it's a all right, if you know this is a
huge deficiency, what do you do? You gotta change your offense,
whether it's for Andy Dalton those first couple of games
or certainly once Justin Fields come in and you know
what his skill set is, and not to leave him
sitting between the tackles as a sitting duck. They didn't
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do that. Start to develop a little bit, but he's
still reticent to get rid of the ball. He won't
push it because he's afraid that he's gonna make a mistake.
And instead what's he doing. He's getting absolutely clawbered time
and time again. You know, decision making and getting the
ball out is just not happening. So uh, and now
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he's probably gonna miss Thursday and it's gonna be the
Andy Dalton Show and another opportunity. And meanwhile, Bears fans,
you know, they're tired of buying books about Smith right there.
It's it's just like you with your jets. Nobody wants
to hear Joe Namath stories again, coming back purpose like
a Garth Brooks album for the forty seventh time. Hey,
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this is afternoon Drive here in Chicago. Coming up next,
we got yet another author who has got an in
depth look at the eighty five Bears. Who's gonna stop
buy and tell us stories that we've heard thousands and
thousands of times, except this time from different perspectives. That
Mike Ditcum maybe didn't chew bubble gum, that he was
the first guy to chew bubble mint gum on the sideline.
So that's gonna be a big interview we got coming
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up for you. You know, you chuckle about that man.
There's still you go into any bookstore in Chicago, there
is a giant wall of Hey, here's your favorite you
know things about Chicago books, right, you know, here's a
history lesson on you know, the Willis Tower, you know Formers,
Here's tower, here's water Tower plays. Hey, here's the Gold Coast.
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Here's this and and by the way, there's six more
books on the Bears, including the guys that the untold stories.
You know why they're untold because that guy hasn't had
his book published yet. You know guy that played three
steps in week three of the preseason. It's the way
it works. But from Matt Naggy, like the chickens have
come home to roost, right, you've had bad decision making
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we've you can just check the tape here, go go
through all the podcasts uh every Monday or Friday, or
live in a living color listening to me die a
little bit with each play call. Uh as to where
Matt Naggy is uh and Ryan Pace in terms of
my evaluations for years, they have not changed. Uh, and
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it's overdue. But the Bears being who they are, Uh,
he'll finish the year and they're still reports that you
know before the season when they look at their biographies, Uh,
you knew what their contract situations were, both he and
Ryan Pace that got removed those final lines, and it's
believed they both got contract extensions for two and knowing
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the Bears, that would mean Matt Nagee will be back. Hey,
we got a guest on the line right now who
he was an usher at Soldier Field from nineteen sixty
seven through nine eighty nine. He's just written the book
on the eight five Bears, and with their stunning admission
that in one game, Ryan Sandberg sat in his seat
that was near where he was ushering, let's go to
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him right now so we can tell that never before
heard story. No, dude, look, I hear you. How many
you want, you want a tough read to read his autobiography.
How many times do I have to see an embarrassing
story about the Mets? Yet here uh coming up? Hey,
one year in Queens, We're gonna go back and look
again at the eighties six ments. It's like, Okay, I'm
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the first guy to tell you we don't need anything
more about the eight six Mets. We know anything more.
It's but when that's what you have and you're going back,
that's all you have for your glory is that it's
all You're still looking and looking and looking. That's how
it goes. Man, it's difficult watching some of these offensive
sets with Justin Fields. They long for the days of
Jay Cutler and Mitchell Trabinsky. I can tell you that.
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And it's not all on the kid, right, And I
don't want anybody to misconstrue that because he becomes an
indictment looking at you're not giving him a chance Like, no,
I think there's some talent. I don't know that this
is the crew and the scheme or any of that
to maximize it by any stretch of the imagination. And
anybody that's watched more than a quarter of this team
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with fields or pick any quarterback that's taken a snap
in the Matt Naggi era. Uh that this is where
you're gonna go play winning football. Now it's it's ugly.
We got a guest right now who is the matre
the at a restaurant that Buddy Ryan eight at for
six consecutive weeks during their big winning streak in and
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he's here with the bombshell that Buddy Ryan asked for
Pepper on four of those six consecutive visits. He's gonna
tell that never before told story. Now do you hear
on the show? Welcome and that's it. I'm gonna make
the exhaustive list. Actually no, I don't have time for that.
The number of books, pamphlets, but you know audio teams
(10:56):
that have been put out. Hey, here's another exclusive interview
thirty years later, another very special guest who was at
the Rex Grossman New Year's Eve party that really cost
him the final week of the regular season back in
our Super Bowl year at two thousand and eight. So
we got that coming up here. The Super Bowl quarterback
Rex Grossman. You can never take that away from him.
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And it's all overshadowed, right because Peyton Manning wasn't good
that day, but he won. Well. Friends, well you know,
played guitar for you. Do you know what tomorrow is
gonna be on shows in Chicago's gonna be hey, coming
up right now. We got a couple of people who
were at the Bulls game last night who were part
of the Throng of Chance. Who are fans who were
chanting fire Naggie. We're gonna hear why they were chanting that.
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Let's let's bring them on right now. Debbie and Bruce,
you're on the show. Why were you chanting fire Naggie?
Because that guy's gotta go. He stinks. WHOA, I haven't
heard that before. That's a hot take, you know. I'm
gonna I'm gonna try to text my brothers see if
I can get a log into their Comcast, Stir whatever
cable system so I can see the local news because
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I guaran damn t and there are those interviews going
on the local news tonight. That's right, lead story. It
will be the video that got out and then it
will be live on the scene just outside the Michael
Jordan's statue. Be sure to catch live editions of The
Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern,
seven pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
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Heart Radio app. So the Buccaneers, look, they win in
their seven and three and they're still at the top
of what you would call the best teams in the NFL.
And we'll have more on them coming up in a
few minutes. But look, the Giants lose tonight, and Daniel
Jones at this point, you understand that the Giants are
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going to move on from him. All right, tonight he
was He was a hundred and sixty seven yards through
the air, did throw a touchdown, did throw two bad picks,
got sacked a couple of times late when the Giants
and their last gas drive. And clearly, at this point,
this is the You're nearing the end of his third
season in the National Football League, and he has not
shown that I can be a franchise quarterback. His best
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year was as a rookie when he threw twenty four touchdowns.
He threw eleven touchdowns last year, He's thrown eight touchdowns
this year. Everything is moving down. His yardage, his quarterback rating.
He's not someone that is showing enough where you can say,
all right, let's go in on him next year and
build a team around him. You can't because he's just
a guy. And that's something that has not yet manifested
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itself on the NFL season, but it's going to because
the Giants, look, they're going to be wholesale changes after
this year in New York. There's gonna be a new
head coach. There's probably gonna be a new GM and
because everything they've done the last few years is not working.
They've been terrible since right so much we got dogged.
Kwon Barkley is gonna be great. Sae Kwon Barkley is
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just a guy. He got hurt. He's just a guy.
Daniel Jones just a guy. Your two big lynch pins
are just players. So they're going to just clear everything
out in the off season's just gonna be a new
head coach, get knew everything and New York Giants is
going to be a destination and it's going to get
a big head coach. They're gonna get a big GM
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and they're gonna go get a big quarterback. They're not
gonna try to draft somebody because there's there's not enough
where with the with the early picks they have, we
can move up and get the number one overall pick
and take who exactly. You don't have that big end
all be all a person that's there's no Trevor Lawrence.
And after going down the road of trying to develop
Daniel Jones for three years and not working, the the
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the fan base and the team isn't going to have
patience for that. They're gonna go big game hunting in
the off season and a big time quarterback they are
going to snare at the telling you, man at the
top of the list is gonna be Russell Wilson. Aaron
Rodgers could get involved too, depending on how sideways things
go with the Packers over the course of the next
few months. But Russell Wilson clearly it's not working in Seattle.
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And he came back this year because all right, I
want to give it one more chance and see things
started out well. He got hurt, the Seahawks couldn't win.
He's come back, the Seahawks still can't win. He's just
got that grass is greener itch in him that as
much as all I want to stay, I want to stay.
I want to stay. You can tell by his body
language what he has said in the past year about
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moving on and not being respected because he knows wherever
I go, they're gonna listen to me because they're just
don't listen to me here because they want to listen
to Pete and John Schneider wants to listen to Pete.
And so I'm never gonna be that, even though Pete
without me can't win, and they understand that. But Pete
Carroll's got his contract extension unless he walks away. Russell
Wilson's gonna want to go someplace else where he can
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be that guy. He's everybody sees what Tom Brady did
two years ago, Mike, and that's a really big thing,
is that they saw Tom Brady say, I am sick
of you not listening to me here in New England.
I'm gonna go leave and find the last few years
of my career are gonna be mainly enjoyable place else.
And what happened. Brady goes to Tampa at Bruce Arians
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as a player's coach. Brady is a loving life. Every
five minutes he's saying something different, giving out his opinions
which we never heard for the fifteen years he was
in New England. Uh, it's a new life for him.
Aaron Rodgers saw that and said, maybe I can get
to a new place and to listen to me, I
have to worry about guys like good at Conston and
and the and the and the front office really just
making all the calls. And Russell Wilson sees the same thing.
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Maybe I don't need to be here. I could be
someplace else. The Giants can easily overnight become a destination
and it's going to be that way in the offseason,
and it could be Russell Wilson, it might be somebody else,
but he'd be the guy at the top of the list.
There were rumors he could go there a few years ago.
But look, Wilson's a young thirty four. He's someone that's
got a few years left. He's got at least five
or six years left long as he could stay healthy,
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because he's that kind of quarterback that he's not gonna
suddenly fall off the cliff. So he's he's gonna be
the most intriguing guy. And he's a guy that that
is going to be the first guy that that Giants
fans and the new Giants have been austration wants. There
will be other players available but he will be at
the top of that list. They're gonna remake this team.
He's gonna be there. It's gonna be big, you know.
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And look after Michigan gets blown out on Saturday sixty
two to three against Ohio State, Harbor is gonna say, Okay,
I've gone as far as I could. Maybe it's Jim Harbor,
it's somebody, it's somebody big. It's a big splash, and
it's New York and they have had the last few
years of going small. We're gonna draft a quarterback out
of Duke. We're going to bring in a head coach
who was a special teams coordinator with the Patriots. No,
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now they're gonna go big. It's gonna be big names.
Trust me. The Giants hold the key to the off season. Well,
I think it's interesting. I mean, just go back to
the Seattle ze Ox for the moment um. Firing Pete
Carroll should be priority number one. At this point. He
seems disengaged. That press conference nonsense of Sunday and what
are we doing? You're not nude to this? Yeah, losing
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and being embarrassed weekend week out. Yeah, okay, maybe you
haven't experienced that but you'ed grown ass, may and stay
in front of the microphone. Finish what you need to say.
Come up with a coherent answer for why you've not
established a run game, why the offensive line is sieve like,
and why you only have two playmakers who you can't
seem to get the ball enough. It's been a train
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wreck all year long. I I do everything I could
move heaven and earth to make sure that Russell Wilson
finishes his career as a member of the Seahawks. But
that's just me. As for the Giant, Yeah, I mean
we watched this game tonight and the two interceptions for
Daniel Jones, I probably held my hands up like I
was in the middle of like I don't know, meditation
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or some kind of gravity pulling. It's like, this is
how I'm gonna get my muscles. Uh spurred on? Is
just holding out my arms for five minutes gonna be
looking what if I've seen little screen pass That really
was just confusing as all can be. And the other
almost like he was playing dodgeball looking for Lavonte David.
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I you're out, okay, but the other guy caught the ball,
so now you are too. But that's that's where you're at,
and and not to make excuses for him, like there
are moments that he looks good right, move on, the
move makes plays with his legs and you sit there
and you go back to what Judge and Gettleman and
the brass there have built and they invested a lot
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of money in Barkley is Look. We We've talked about
this for years. I'm a believer. If that's your guy,
you go get your guy and let the chips fall
where they may. Likewise, you know, with a quarterback, if
you decide you see something that maybe the rest of
the world doesn't, right, because it's all about zagging when
everybody's zigging. That's how you win, uh, at anything you're
doing in this world. Right, Yes, you can follow some
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of the the stalwarts and the folks that have had success,
but that you're still gonna have to find and and
fill in the blanks. See I do this after walking
around you know all the Jurassic parks ride because you
know what you do, you get some frog DNA in
a way you go. But the reality is that you've
got a team where you did make a lot of
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bets on guys that were injured well, we're gonna get
the best of Kenny Golladay. You heard his name mentioned
more than once or twice other than you know, they
signed Kenny Golladay. Don't forget Kenny Golladay. When he gets playing,
why he might be really good, right after he played
five games last year, right, and then he comes in
and he's been hurt or invisible all year long. You've
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got an offensive line that that struggles obviously Jones decision making.
It needs to be better than what it is. But
you know, Darius Tony, he's been hurt a good chunk
of the year. He expected him to be a big playmaker.
Darius Slayton was hurt. He missed a chunk of time.
So you haven't exactly been running and not that any
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NFL team has, but it's the alright, you also built
a really shoddy, you know, hut around him to try
to make this thing work, and and it gets blown over,
uh time and time again. So but they have to
make the decision. I don't I didn't see anything of
trying to click any clack clack clack find out it's like,
all right, he's got one more year on his deal, right,
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that's it. And then you probably move on, and you
may decide to do that for some quarterback desperate team
this offseason. Look, look, if if I thought the Giants
could remake themselves in an office, all right, they might not.
But it's just been too much and they've been too
bad for too long. I can't believe that that this
has been accepted. There's certain franchise where it's like, no, no, no, no,
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we suck for one year, that's not the case the
next year. And that's usually the case of the Giants.
The Giants are bad, No, we're fixing that in a year. Right,
when the Steelers have that one down year, No, we're
fixing it and we're back next year. You know, yeah, yeah,
most teams, the Giants it it. It's baffling that they
have stunk for this long and they've stuck with this
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plan that is just not working and it's not getting
better and it's not getting to the point where okay,
I could see it turning the corner. And and so
when when that's the your outcome, there's only one way
to combat that, and that is we are cleaning house,
and they're gonna do it right. Every every big name
is gonna be on the table. The Giants are such
a big drawing card that, hey, if we have to
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go in and everything is new, and that's gonna be
the big thing. Because if you come into a situation where, okay, like,
who's gonna really want to go be the quarterback in
Green Bay to follow Aaron Rodgers? Nobody, right, No one
want to do that. No one wants to be the
quarterback to follow Russell Wilson in Seattle because number one,
you're following in the legend shoes, and number two, you
know that you're gonna go in and have a little
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little to no impact because it's gonna be the head
coach the GM everybody else that that's calling all the shots.
So that that's a difficult situation to walk into. When
you're walking into everything being new, the excitement about starting
over and here's what we've done, and hey, we're gonna
take our nice pieces that we have from the year
before and and and push them over the next year.
Maybe Candarius Tony's gonna be a star. Certainly in limited time.
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He has shown that he can be a pretty decent player.
He may be the best are back on the roster too,
But it's it's not very difficult to to remake a
team in a year when you are when you are
hitting the big positions like they are boom GM head coach, quarterbacks,
what they're gonna do right, and and that's and that's
a that's an enviable situation to go into, right. I'll
put it to you this way, if you when when
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I was in ESPN and I was a production assistant
there and I was an associate producer there before I
was became a talent and I worked behind the scenes,
and it was it was great. It was fun. I
was in production and it was it was so good.
But there were so many people. There were so many cooks,
there were so many people that were in charge of
your career and and and and so many layers between
(23:43):
you and the top that it was hard to get
your voice heard at times. And it was you know,
it's frustrating for people. I understand that, because ESPN is
this big machine. So then Fox starts in the there
was a summer of that's when Fox Sports one started,
which is you know back then was Fox Sports Net
and which is morphed into Fox Sports one. In Fox
Sports too, and so many people, I was one of them,
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wanted to go to to Fox right, and we're starting
off in Los Angeles. It was it was a new
place to go live, and who wouldn't want to go
live in l A for a while. It was a
chance to go in at the same level as everybody
else and make your mark on the on the organization
and be able to be someone who stands out and
maybe you're moving up the ladder a little bit more.
It's just it's just an enviable situation to go into,
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and so so many people decided, yeah, I want to apply,
want to go there, and it was the best move
I ever made at that point in my life. I
wanted to go do something, and I went and it
was great. And here I am twenty five years later,
still in Los Angeles and you know, talking to you
every night on there. So my life has turned out
pretty well. But that situation, when you have a blank
canvas in front of you, that's really enviable. When I
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can go in and I cannot just be someone that's
got to feel my way around the organization, I can
be the organization. Russell Wilson can walk into New York
and go, hey, guys, this is what I think, this
is what we're gonna do and a season head coach
like Jim Harbow wasna ga gonna listen to that quarterback. Okay,
I want this to work and let's do this. And
I'm gonna say that it's just a better thing when
you are making all those changes at once. And that's
the Giants are gonna do and with the power of
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New York, I mean, the good New York behind them,
not the Jets. You're going to play for the Giants,
which actually has a legacy of winning, and the bar
is set so low because the Giants have been so
bad for so long. All you have to do is
say in the playoff hunt the first couple of years,
and fans are gonna go, thank you. Oh my god.
I don't want to see any more New York post
headlines about how bad the Jets are. Oh thank goodness.
It's gonna be that easy in New York. That's why
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everything this offseason, what the Giants do, that's gonna be
the Domino effect. But I still think though that as
you're you're looking at the roster, Yeah, you can change
out some of the cooks, but you still gotta figure
out your fifty three man roster. Right if I read
do you right now? And obviously Russell Wilson Aaron Rodgers
are are a different piece of this because well they're
they're tradeable assets. If you just look at guys that
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are free agents, I mean we one of the top
names is gonna be your game. Mike White. M hm,
Couchel Rubinsky. Can you imagine what Mike White is a
free agent? The Giant sided to be their starter. He's
great for a decade. I'll just say legitimately, it's not
like you've got a list of heavyweights that suddenly just
show up and poof, Tata, We've got our guy, Like
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you're gonna have to move heaven and Earth and make
a lot of promises to get one of those big boys.
And once again, Aaron Rodgers, I would love to see
the contract. Everybody keeps telling me. All he's gotta say
is he's unhappy and they'll have to work to trade him.
Like thank thank could glide through their teeth that entire time, right,
just like he wasn't allegedly wasn't ever showing up again
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based on some of the insider reports, Tata there he is,
all right. We We've reworked some things and here I am,
and I brought Randall Cobb with me, so I things
things change very quickly. But you know, trying to remake
all of this, it's like when you fire a head coach,
you better have someone that's you've already communicated with that
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really wants the job you think can do it. Otherwise
you're now in a vast waste land. And certainly we
know what the quarterback position. You don't get that right.
It doesn't work right, and and the whole squad uh
starts to be taken out. Even when you still have
a good quarterback, it can still go south quickly. And
all I could read you the list of guys according
(27:20):
to sport Track and all these other places that do contracts,
I don't think there's a single option that you're really
excited about hitting the free agency at that at that position.
So you're gonna have to make some big bets uh
and get all buy in. And and one thing we
know is if even if stuff isn't working, if it's
going to suddenly cost me millions of dollars, I e.
(27:40):
I have to pay a guy to go away. A
lot of NFL owners and business people in general are
gonna tell you, Yeah, I don't want to do that. Look,
how when does it run out? So let's see how
it flows from there? Twitter, and how about a fresh cup?
Mike gets swollen done The Jason Smith Show with my
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if Daniel Jones wasn't oh and eight on primetime games,
(28:01):
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you get your podcasts. Joining us now on the Hotline,
a guy, we've been tied to for a long time.
He is an insider at CBS NFL Extraordinaire friend of
the show Jason lockingfor Jay Happy butt fumble out of
her three Hey yeah, wow, I didn't. I didn't realize
(29:05):
it was, but I sneaks to appreciate the sentiment. I
do remember where I was when it happened. Um, I
think we all remember where we were. It's one of
those from the hotel room in New York on Thanksgiving night.
That was a year where my family was up there
with me. We were staying through the weekend and everybody
(29:26):
was in bed and I was in a little cot
in the uh like the the I don't know which
you could the four year of the hotel room watching
on TV with no sound and wishing I was at
home where I could like DV right back and forth,
you know what I mean, where you could like have
the the TiVo kind of deal and go back and forth,
back and forth, back and forth. The first up I
(29:50):
really ever used a TiVo remote control, I grabbed it
and just said, hey, everybody, you gotta watch this. Yeah yeah,
And then we then we delayed dinner for a half hours.
We might never see something like this again. No, I
remember watching it going as soon as it happened, I said,
that play is going to live forever. It's never going
to not be something. It's going to be at that
and that that that stands. She said, what's the Jets
(30:11):
franchise in one play? I would say, well, it's the
butt fumble. Oh okay, there it is franchise in one play. Yeah.
That was pretty much it for Rex, right, I mean
that was pretty much like this is run of course. Well,
I do want to say before we get on to
another quarterback, is that I dig the fact as I
get exactly where you're coming from, because you know, hey,
you know, you know when when the bud Fumble was
going on, you had you know, you were in the
(30:32):
middle of your your career now and everything was great.
But when it comes to family, it's yeah, you can
stay on the cow and the fold out cot and
we're all in a hotel room. Yeah, you know, everybody
else was, Yeah it was they got the bed and
I was on the fold out even though I was
the only one who worked that day. But that's exactly
how it shouldn't be. For that is my life, and
(30:54):
I am completely at peace with it. And and I'm
blessed and thankful that I have people to take of
beds while I take the cop because that might have
would do well. That is true. That is right. So
once in a while, you gotta suck it up with
that Okay, Saturday Live skit about like the dog park
for dudes. That is that's real. Like my circle gets
(31:17):
tighter every year, right me. I don't know. Maybe I
should be on a couch right now with my feet up,
like talking to a therapist. But I do think there's
some there's some truth in that. No, it happens. Look, look,
I get to the point where I say, hey, you
know what, I'm sorry, I'm old enough now. No I'm
not going to sleep on the floor and have no No,
(31:38):
I need the bed. Okay, so we're gonna we're gonna
take that. Uh speaking of you said, you said dog
let's go to the dog pound? And you know, Baker
Mayfield UH did the one thing you're not supposed to
do take on the fan base today when he was
asked about the fans reaction to him, uh as dinged
up as he is as difficult as the Brown's offense
hasn't scoring points, aren't we just gonna see the Brown said, hey, listen, Baker,
(32:02):
take a seat. We can hide the injury as to
why you're sitting, so we can get some new energy
and in case Keenum is going to be the quarterback
at some point soon. Um. Well, look, they play at
Baltimore Sunday night. I think that's gonna be a tough
gig for them. Not that Baltimore is a great team
by any stretch, and they have serious limitations on defense,
(32:24):
but you look at Baker physically right now, and that
they can't really get the ball to receivers. Um, they're
kind of living and dying with Nick Chubb. Even when
they get off the fast starts. It's it's been rough.
They had the forty Burger, they hung on the Bengals
in the Battle of Ohio. But um, in their last
six games, the other five they've been held the seventeen
(32:47):
or fewer. Um, we'll see. I mean, then they have
the bye week and then they host the Ravens the
following week, in which could be you know, sort of
a statement on their season, like if they get swept
in those games and Baltimore plays Cleveland in between. But again,
I'm just like Baltimore plase Pittsburgh in between, but again,
Cleveland's on the by. You know, I don't know that
(33:10):
they could survive being swept, and I don't think Baltimore
is necessarily good enough to sweep them. But if the
Rams are gonna hemorrhage yards on the ground like they
are right now, and they're gonna have a quarterback who's
limited pushing the ball downfield, um, and they have really
suffered without Conklin at right tackle, and now they're they're
they're giving up sacks at an alarming rate. Um. None
(33:31):
of that bodes well. So we'll see, but you shouldn't.
I mean, it's it's it had been a while, like
I want to say, eighteen months maybe more since Baker
Mayfield had said something where you could kind of have
your antennas go up, right. I mean, I think I
remember the Duke Johnson stuff talking about his contract and
(33:53):
then he threw a trainer under the bus, and there
was a lot of stuff that happened like late in
the Hugh Jackson regime. But things have been pretty much
on message, like on point. But I just don't know
why he had to, like, especially when he didn't talk
yesterday it's like to wait a minute, you hit the
Pauls button because you don't want to do anything that
makes the situation worse. You actually, you know, I don't
(34:16):
think it's good to avoid the media, but I get it.
But then they come back today after your wife had
the Instagram thing in the in the in the interim,
and to take that approach, yeah, that would give me
some pause if I'm running the Cleveland Browns. But I
don't know that it leads to an immediate benching chaostin sues.
And that's what we saw Kansas City and Dallas. What
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am I supposed to take out of that game? Because
Kansas City? I mean it's not like they were pinball offense,
and we talked about the defense. You know, they hadn't
played anybody that old narrative, Jason. And then they go
and they keep the Dallas Cowboys to nine points. Well,
I would say, what I take from this that experiment
of putting Chris Jones out on the perimeter and having
(35:01):
him sort of um become your edge presence was was
was was ill fated and short lived, thankfully for Chiefs fans.
And he's back healthy and he's absolutely wrecking things. On
the inside. They've stabilized a cornerback, They've got Tyrn Matthew
(35:22):
playing better ball. They sort of rediscovered a little bit
of a swag in a mojo and it wasn't just
a Dallas game. You can go back four weeks now
and they're getting more pressure. Um, they're being playing more
sound football. They're they're they're more consistent. Uh, they've they've
they've stabilized, and they've been helped by a Chiefs offense
(35:46):
that isn't necessarily swinging for the fences all the time,
but is content to hold the football, content to play
time of possession ball, which again limits the amount of
time to defenses on the field. Uh. It has cut
down on some of the turn overs, although they're not
completely out of the woods with that, but certainly it's
better now than it looked, you know, four or five
weeks ago. So Kansas City is in it. They're probably
(36:10):
gonna stay in it. If they can get Josh Gordon
or any other thing going in the passing game, then
I think they'll really be, um, you know, the team
to beat. I'm not going to crown anybody in the
a f C though, because it's just it's so weak
to week, you know, I mean, you've got twelve teams
that are five hundred or better, and then you got
(36:32):
four that are absolute you know, the dregs, and among
the twelve that are five hundred are better a lot
of you know, from week to week, a lot of
things can shift and change. So I think the offensive line, though,
is better now than it looks six weeks ago as
well for Kansas City, So things are certainly trending in
the right direction. Jason Lockett for our guest to Jason
(36:53):
Smiths with Mike Harmon live from the Fox Sports Radio studios.
All right, let's talk about Seattle here for a couple
of seconds. Speak is It was a really bizarre scene
yesterday after a loss. The offense looked lost. Pete Carroll
came out, got very upset that the team is losing,
left to press conference, came back. How does this end
for Seattle to see? Does this end with Pete Carroll leaving?
(37:15):
Does this end with Russell Wilson existed? I think it
ends with Russell Wilson leaving. Um. They have struck out
mightily in the first round for quite some time now.
The rafter isn't nearly as deep or top heavy even
as it used to be. There's issues all over the
offensive line. Um. They can't run the ball and have
(37:37):
difficulty even just finding it running back to rely on
weekend week out. Um. And the defense is a mess.
I mean it just it just is. Uh. They're not
a very good football team. And to lose the way
they have last week was one thing. I thought they
felt hard. I mean that going to Lambeau and Russ's
(37:57):
first game back from the finger and all that, I
thought they showed better there than they did yesterday. Um.
And so it's like, well, we're in this hole, and
how do we get out of it? They don't have
any extra draft capital. Um that you know, trade down
trade down stuff hasn't resulted in a whole lot of
future picks, and the picks they've made haven't been nearly
(38:19):
good enough. So and they're in pretty tough division with
with some aggressive teams. So I think it leads to
if we really want to, you know, if if Russ
isn't if we're so bad that Russ alone isn't good
for ten wins anymore then and Russ isn't going to
do an extension with us, and Russ has two years
(38:41):
left on his deal, then maybe it's time to shop
Russ now Jayson. One of the best trending stories of
the night makes me I'm entertained because it comes out
of a basketball game. The Indiana Pacers absolutely demolishing the
Chicago Bulls at the United States and the highlight of
the night Chicago United fire naggi a day after a
(39:05):
chance all day long at Soldier Field, fire Naggy Bears
play the Lions on Thanksgiving boil versus Dalton, Let's get
it on, uh and look it's the Bears have never
fired a coach in season. Might they finally do something
against the Grain. I don't know that they have somebody
on staff or they feel like it's kind of who
(39:28):
they really want to see necessarily run the team. But
this is gonna be a tough game for them in
a short week, and Detroit is playing with more spirit
and fire right now, then, um, the Bears are in
Detroit's going they got their tie, They're going to eventually
get a win. I think it could be here, and
that doesn't mean that the family there would do something
(39:51):
even with a nine day break before they play again.
But I think they'll certainly be conversations, um, because ultimately,
these are the people you're trying to get, uh to
pay your bills, and these are the people you're gonna
be trying to get, you know, five years from now,
to go out to Arlington Heights for this new thing
that they're probably gonna be looking to build in the
(40:12):
race track there where they bought the land and people
aren't buying it right now. That's that's pretty clear. Um. Again,
I don't know where it goes in the in the
interim where it gets any better and fields being banged up, Um,
it's not a good look for anybody. But just check
(40:35):
out their schedule down the stretch there. There's there's there's
not a whole lot of games where you feel like
they're they're in great shape. And again I don't really
even like them in this spot Thursday. You look at
what Detroit has done, how they're battling against good teams,
and not to say that Chicago and get Baltimore game,
but Baltimore is playing with Huntley at quarterback. Um, I
(40:57):
think the bottom might be really about to drop out Chicago. Hey,
j Lastly, you know, watching the the Bucks play tonight
without Antonio Brown and they get back on track against
the Giants. Are you believing in them a little bit
more than some of the other teams now or they
still have issues that other I've never not believed in them.
I mean you look at the institutional knowledge there in
(41:19):
the been there, done that of the whole operation. And um,
I mean, who's bet again? How do you bet against
Tom Brady Like he's he's had a They've had a
couple of down weeks like every team in the league.
But the dudes still could throw fifty touchdown passes this year.
Getting Gronk back is huge. I just think it settles
things down for Brady's conscience and it makes him feel
(41:42):
like when all off sales, I know, I've got a
guy here who's just gonna know what I'm thinking when
he's thinking at the same time, and we'll street ball
it up if we have to or whatever. Uh. You know,
I think they've still got some kinks to work through
defensively for sure. Um, and losing Davella is never a
good thing because as he's a special player. But no,
(42:05):
I would not count the Bucks out whatsoever. I I mean,
you know, we I would have said, I think Green
Bay is the best team in the league. And then
you got Aaron Rodgers saying, Hey, this this turf toil
thing is like really really bad and I'm not going
to practice again this week and I hope it feels
better after the bybe but if somebody steps on this
thing again, could really be problematic. And we know Jordan
(42:26):
Love can't play, so you know, you just start looking
around and with the Rams have looked like lately, and uh,
you know, maybe Arizona's didn't flavor du jour again because
Kyle will be back on the other side of the bye,
but you know they're they're going into some uncharted territory
there for that whole group, So I don't know, Man,
your guests is as good as anybody's. He's on Twitter
(42:48):
at Jason Locke and for that is at Jason Locke
and for a CBS Sports NFL insider. J is always body.
Appreciate your time, Enjoy the rest of the night, rest
of the week. We'll talk to you soon. I think,
thanks always, my plus and gentlemen, Happy Thanksgiving. Be sure
to catch live editions of The Jason Smith Show with
Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern seven pm Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
(43:12):
So Monday Night Football, we watched the Buccaneers beat the
Giants thirty to ten, and it was a big win
for Tampa, a big loss for the Giants, but not
as big a loss as the anniversary we're gonna celebrate
now it was nine years ago. Tonight, you're probably settling
in and after finishing Thanksgiving dinner, getting ready to watch
the night football game. Looked like it could be pretty good.
(43:35):
You know, Patriots are always really good. Jets them into
a couple of a f C championship games in a row. No,
it is gonna be pretty good. And as a result,
we got this play which will now live forever. Tom
more than an Indianapois the offensive pool. Maybe you're gonna
busted play here, and then then chances gets hit. The
ball is loose and it's alive. I have never seen
(43:56):
this before in my life. Watch this. Vince will Fork
is gonna throw Brandon Moore back into his quarterback. He's
gonna fumble the football. This is what Reggie White used
to do to people. Fork lift him and just lift
him off the ground. Mark Sanchez not expecting it, and
it was the backside of Brandon Moore to knock the
ball out. Okay, I'm going to dispel a long term
(44:20):
belief about this play that is simply not true. You
hear the description there, and you see the play, and
you think, oh, Vince will Fork, you know, just push
Brandon More and and and and Mark Sanchez ran into
him and was unexpected. The ball pops out, and Stephen Gregory,
pride of Curtis High School and Syracuse University, both of
my alma maters, runs it back for a touchdown. Um,
(44:41):
Vince will Fork did not do that. That did not happen.
Mark Sanchez, our teammate here at Fox Sports Radio. Why
he ran into Brandon Moore. I have no idea. Watch
the play. You watch the play, it's a busted play.
Sanche is looking the hand off. It doesn't happen. He
turns to run the football. Vince will Fork and brand
More are kind of standing each other up right, So
(45:03):
it's not Vince will Fork is pushing Brandon More back
and pushes him into a lane. Mark Sanchez simply runs
and runs into Brandon More. He could run to the right,
where he would gain another yard or two before he
gets tackled, but for some reason, he runs right into
Brandon More. When Brandon Moore starts to fall down, when
(45:23):
Vince will will Fork pushes him over is after Sanchez
already hits him. So that's when, yeah, okay, you're gonna
push him over there. When somebody hits you from behind
and and you're falling backwards, that's when Vince will Fork
pushes him over. But up until that, Vince will Fork
and Brandon More are kind of fighting each other and
they're standing up, and for some reason, Mark Sanchez with
the football decides to run right into the back of him.
(45:45):
He could have run into into a little bit of
a hole and gone in for a tackle. For some reason,
he just runs right into the back of Brandon More.
And I don't understand why. I'll never understand why. Why
How do you just decide to run into the back
of your offensive lineman and you have the ball pretty
good in your hands. You know, you are running into crap,
into traffic, you're not running around the outside, and you're
(46:07):
holding the ball a little bit loose. You know, as
a quarterback you gotta hold lot of it about. Sanchez
had really big hands, right, that was one big thing
about him coming out of college. He's got big hands,
all lot of the football, can throw it far. And
I don't know why he did it, and I don't know,
and I it's it's a play that when I saw it,
I knew they're gonna play this forever. The world could
end and it could be millions of years before we
see life on the planet again. Where you're talking about
(46:29):
humans upright, you know, because we have to go back
to being fish and then grow legs and come out
of the ocean. And still somebody would find an old
The first thing they would find to be an old
videotape and they say, football follies, what was football? Let's
put this in. Oh, let's let's create a machine that
we can watch this and the first thing they will
see is the buck fumble. It will live forever, absolutely forever.
(46:50):
But that's how the play went. Don't don't think it
was something where this super human thing Vince will Fork
did was watch the play and you will see he's
standing up and Mark Sanchez just runs in to the
into his aligneman and I and I really I don't
understand how that happened. Well, it's a stuff of legend now,
what the story really was doesn't matter anymore. You can't
(47:10):
try to rewrite this, try to go to be a
lecturer around the country, going, you know, they really got
this one wrong, and then you follow it up with
like forty five minutes on taunting penalties and why they're wrong.
You know, the Monday night football game passes intercepted, he's
down at the thirty nine. Look, he and ten of
his closest buddies just ran sixty yards to the other
end of the end zone to point and post for
(47:32):
pictures and no taunting. Uh, that happened again tonight. I've
just started keeping count of the team celebrations in this nonsense.
But you know, I've now watched the play another forty
times because you know, as soon as you bring up
the subbruter film, we gotta go back and do it.
And you're right. I think I think they're both fighting.
But for Sanchez, perhaps he thought maybe he'd get a
(47:54):
little more push out of his offensive lineman than he
did and not in the I'm going backwards style as
Vince wolf Work did overpower him. I might not have
been as dramatic, But what are you doing. You're getting
in there and sell sell sell because that audio is
gonna live forever, right, people don't have always have the
(48:15):
ability to YouTube it in the moment to get the
video recollection of it. No, play that audio, and now
you've got a picture in your mind of a superhuman
Vince Wilfork lifting up and saying I own this space.
And of course then the butt fumble ensues. You can't
(48:36):
change history, buddy, No I can't. I can't. I can't
keep a rock and roll That's what I was saying.
And you can't change this history. No, no, no, no,
I can't. I can't. And the worst part is is
that it's not like it was all bad playing a
close game. No, the Jets got absolutely blown out. And
I want to say the Patriots scored three touchdowns in
like twenty one second. It was. That was one of
(48:57):
the most terms of events. It was. It was. It
was just so abysmal. And that's the play. And it's
nine years old today and it's not and every I
see it. I get what people said. I know when
I woke up this morning, my phone goes, I go
many gifts of the butt fumble? Am I getting out? Yeah?
(49:17):
I get it. You know, it's like you know that
many people really identify you, not only with the team,
but think enough or as little about you. No, no,
it's it's like it's my family checking in on me
twice a year, right, because it's twice here. They want
to know how how you know I have talked to
Jason a while, And I'll get emails and text from
(49:38):
people that I haven't talked to and I don't know
eight ten months and I'll get it. Comes on Bobby
Benee a day. They check it with me in the summer,
Hey see how you know? And butt Fumble Day, and
it's always happy butt fumble Day. Oh, by the way,
happy birthday. Sorry I missed it four days ago. Yeah,
no problem, Yeah it was good. How was your birthday? Great? Yeah,
I went out to dinner. But those are the two
days a year people always my family checks in on me.
(50:00):
It's like, oh, let's make sure Jason's all right. Hey,
it's Bobby Beni a day. Hey, it's butt fumble Day.
I mean, that's it. That's my family knows. Now. I
won't hear from again, you know, maybe a little bit
of a text at Christmas with a couple of them,
but not really. No, no, no, now, they're I'm good
Jason's And in November I checked in, he's good. We
got the winner coming up, bro. Yeah, I'll see how
he's doing again. Next July one, we'll get for Bobby
Benia day. We'll we'll do it. Then. Have you ever
(50:22):
given anybody the argument that your esteem co host has
made about how the deal wasn't really as absurd for
the Mets and Bobby could have done better by taking
the money up front. Yeah. You know. The thing is
I I start explaining that and then it's like, um,
it's when you see when you try to explain something
to a child and after like five seconds they just
(50:43):
lose interest and just look someplace else and go, yeah,
I don't care anymore. You know, it's actually business wise,
it was pretty good sense. What yes, Because here's the
thing is that if they paid him out for his
regular contract and then they just the eyes just glaze over,
they look away, then I'll go, God is lost you?
I I really I've just like when I like when
I'm coaching the girls at soccer and I know, okay,
(51:06):
I have like ten seconds to get my point across
before they just decide okay, I'm looking at something else right.
I'm like, okay, I got ten and I can see
I got ten seconds and this this this, Okay, do
we do we have? And now they're gone. Now what's
over here? I'm looking over I'm looking down at my shoe.
I'm looking Oh, I saw a bird fly. It's like,
oh my god, I have so little time. I so
(51:28):
like that that that's that story. So what happened is
and then and then when you talk about the rates
of inflation and when you got then the other eyes
just glaze over. They go, Bobby, yeah, yeah, Bud fumble.
Mule sounds about right. Mule. Gotta get the mule in there.
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