June 18, 2022 • 42 mins
In this Best Of The Jason Smith Show with Mike Harmon, Jason examines Golden State Warrior guard Steph Curry's career success and wonders if some of it should be attributed to head coach Steve Kerr's coaching system. Also, it's another edition of the Magic Johnson Twitter Game! Later, Jason Cole of fansided.com joins the program to discuss the conclusion of the NBA Finals, who will quarterback the Cleveland Browns in 2022 and what the San Francisco 49ers should do with quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. Finally, Jason sees Warrior forward Draymond Green's podcast as the future of media.
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Smith Show with Mike Harmon on Fox Sports Radio. Now,
let me say this day after the NBA Finals today,
everybody with champagne in their eyes. The Warriors win their
fourth title the last eight years, and it's Steph and
Clay and Draymond. I've kept proceipts on our critics. Let
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me just say this, all right, because I this has
been where I've been getting hit with all day. I
don't hate Steph Curry, even if you think I do.
What I do is I put his excellence in the
proper perspective. And I get that that's not popular because
it seems to be the only to you can have
on Steph Curry. Is the guards the greatest, He's a
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great player. Is he an all time great shooter. Yes
he is, but that's all he kind of has to
be with this Warrior's team. All right. Again, People forget
Steph was in the league for six years, he had
made two All Star teams, and the Warriors were lucky
if they made the playoffs. Steve Kerr shows up and
suddenly it's a dynasty. Why Because he understood what he
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needed to do and what he could do to take
advantage of what Steph Curry did. Well. This is why
I say Steph Curry is a system quarterback. He's not
a system quarterback that comes in and plays okay with
the team. He's a system quarterback that comes in and boy,
he's really terrific because of what's surrounding him. The Warriors
system is phenomenal, right, but he doesn't have to worry
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about playing defense or to set plays up or rebound.
So when you talk about all time greats and it's Steph,
He's caught Lebron, No Lebron, James and Janice and and
all these guys, they're all better players. These are all
guys who are better players than Steph Curry. Is. Steph
does one thing, the most important thing in the NBA,
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really really well, he puts the ball in the basket.
But he went from a nice twenty three point of
game player to a thirty point of game player when
Steve Kerr showed up. That's what he is. He's not
close to these other guys. He's not close to k
D and his prime. He's not. His numbers flow from
within that offense. If you took Steph Curry out of
the Warriors and you put him on another team, and
this is where Steph understands, Hey, maybe I need to
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stay here because his offense is built around what I
do well. If you put Steph Curry on another team,
is he this guy? If you put him on the Knicks,
is he's suddenly getting freed up for all these threes
and as they go up and down the floor in
the flow of the offense. Of course not, it's there's
four guys on Steph oh, and he turns it over again.
The Warriors have created this offense around what he does well,
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and he does it great, right, and now he's he's
moving up that list in the conversation of great players
all time. But he's not close to what the best
players in the NBA do now because they're asked to
do so much more. Lebron in his prime, k d
Janice especially are asked to do so much more. And hey, defensively,
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you need to worry about X, Y and Z as well.
This is what these guys do, what Steph does. Steph
does great, but too suddenly because he scores a lot,
he's great. This is like saying, hey, Dominique Wilkins, is
he one of the Is he is he one of
the top three or four mount Rushmore players in the NBA?
No Demominique Wilkins in the eighties was the human highlight machine,
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right because he scored, He put points on the board.
But Atlanta didn't win, didn't have the right system. We
weren't able to get past the Celtics. But this is
kind of what Steph Curry does, and he does it great.
And I'm not saying he's not a great player, but
you have to put what he does in perspective. You
put excellence in the proper perspective. Right, If I'm taking
for the next few years, am I taking Steph curryer
John Morant? I'm taking John morand who does more things
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for his team? John Morando, Steph Curry, John Morant does
more right, because he holds the ball more, He dishes,
he scores, he plays defense, he does everything. There are
just players at simply do more and and the things
that Steph Curry doesn't do as well as the other
We just brought Rush away because he's so great and
he has a great image and everybody enjoys him. And
that's a big part of stuff too, is that because
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he has such a great image that it's it's impossible
to criticize the guy. But yeah, he's great, he is awesome,
he is outstanding. He is a great, great player. He
deserved the m v P. He's got four championships. He's
moving up the list in conversations for great players of
all time. But let's just understand that when you talk
about him compared to the other great great players who
are playing now, he's still a level below because he's
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not asked to do as much. He can't get big
shots at the end of games. Right, Where where where's
the list of all Steph Curry great buzzer beaters? Where's stuff?
Jason Tatum? As much as I lead you astray on
Jayson Tatum, Jayson Tatum's got more game winning shots because
Steph can't get his shots in the final couple of
minutes of games. This is why when games are close
down the stretch the Warriors, it's a toss up because
he can't get his shots off because he's too small,
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and the teams are able to get in on him
more and shut him down and and closed down the
passing lanes, so we can't even get in and make
a pass to somebody who's wide open. So it's just
it's not that I think the guy's great. I've said
it all the time, but people want to blow off
when I say that. When I say he's great, to go, oh,
you know, like, No, his greatness is in the proper perspective.
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That's how we should talk about Steph Curry, and that's
how we go with his accomplishments, with winning last night
and moving on from here with four championships and getting
a chance to go for another one next year. Yeah.
I mean the hard part is it's all compartmentalized, and
depending on how old you are, you hold certain players systems.
Teams dear right go back to whatever Kobe shack the
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Jordan's bulls right, because Jordan had years key with Doug Collins.
They're getting into the playoffs. They're getting deep into the playoffs,
but they don't get over. Phil Jackson comes in, they
lose in the Eastern Conference finals, and then they win
six of the next eight. Alright, we we don't discount
Jordan's for the early years. Likewise, Steph, I you know
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something changed. The Triangle came in and and look Scottie
Pippens there and you unleash hell upon the Eastern Conference.
And folks go back and say, well, he was playing
against a bunch of plumbers, which takes me to the
other point. Go back, right, if we're gonna go back
in time, look at the teams that the Celtics and
Lakers were running around. But we don't denigrate Magic or
Kareem or Worthy or Bird or any of those guys.
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I mean, here's your h. We got Worthy fighting with
Cedric Maxwell over all sorts of stuff. So you know,
you got all that fun that that goes through. Go
back to the Bill Russell era. Uh, and you know
where how teams were constructed and the way things float,
and and there's problems and caveats that we can make
with all of them. With Steph, it comes down to, yes,
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he's likable, except once he starts chewing his mouthpiece, certain
percentage of folks are gonna be mad. Well, yeah, time
things and getting a little chesty, which I liked because
you know, he was petty and they were all really petty.
I think that was the one thing. And I've been
saying it all along in these playoffs. If you ever
had a doubt and you and you really did believe
guys when they said I don't hear stuff. Uh, they
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They've told you loud and clear, one after another. Blank you.
I heard everything you said, even if it was the
three in the morning on a Tuesday, Uh, in a
in a in a bar that was closed down, but
because they wanted you to sober up before you left,
they poured you a cup of coffee and you were
waxing poetic about the NBA game that was on replay.
They hear it, Okay, they hear it all. Richard Jefferson
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confirming that in his post finals talks and Steph and
Clay and everybody. We've got receipts for everything. That's fine,
but we we look at and analyze the game. Right
for for Steff, it's it's just becomes the fun discussion
because all of it is just you decide where your
your starting line is. And generally any of those discussions
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aren't discussions. It's just I'm going to stand for my guy,
and if you go against it, you're an idiot. That's
where we're at and everything in this society. And when
it comes to Michael versus Lebron, now Lebron, Steph add
Kobe and Duncan and whoever else you want to the conversation,
you pick and choose which parts of the guy's games, personalities,
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whatever else you like. There's no denying one thing. Lebron
has changed the game, right with some of the way
offenses run, and he's a singular talent, so trying to
replicate that you're gonna have varying degrees of success, right,
But when we look at Steph, I mean, you can't
doubt that what the Warriors did change how teams work,
and Steph unselfish, all of those things. Those are all
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nice attributes, and it becomes the if you want to
stand for Steph Curry, that's gonna be part of your
larger argument. But at the same time, if you're pick
your other guy, right, we we talk about it in
the moment, right, because for a while, as you do
the show, the show is that night, who's the guy
you're looking as, like, oh, the best guys Kevin Durant,
And now he's just an afterthought fighting with people on
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Twitter again. I want to get back on social media.
That's where I want to fight. I want to fight
right now. But that's just it's the ebb and flow.
You pick your guy that you want to stand for,
grab the statue you like, throw out those you don't write.
The Lebron and Michael thing right. Lebron defense comes up
against Steph, but never against Michael. Be sure to catch
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live editions of The Jason Smith Show with Mike harmon
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Let's celebrate
the end of this year, getting into the off season,
what's next for everybody else? By playing And now it's
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the Magic Johnson Twitter. Oh boy, oh, here it is.
It took a while from Magic Johnson, but he did
eventually start tweeting about the NBA Finals. So here we
go the most obvious and vanilla tweeter in the world,
Magic Johnson, I give you a tweet Your job is
to figure out if it is a Magic Johnson tweet
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or made up entirely by myself playing? Is me, Mike Harmon,
Steve de Sager justin Frostburg? Are you guys ready to go?
Let's get it on. In the end, Steph Curry, Clay
Thompson and Andrew Wiggins were too much for Jayson Tatum,
Jalen Brown and Marcus Smart, with Steph winning his first
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NBA Finals m v P. For the playoffs, the average
an incredible twenty seven points, six assists and five rebounds.
Is that a lot of stuff going on? Magic Johnson Satan, No, no,
no chance, no, no chance. I think you saw too
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many clips of Paul McCartney singing with Springsteen and you
wanted to sing and in the end, and then you
rattle off a bunch of stats that is not you
guys are good. I assume the current Magic tweet is
you can see my Dodger is on Apple? Have Apple TV? Right? No?
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His last tweet is, hey, does anybody know where I
can get the Dodgers game? You just put that out there.
Steph became the seventh player in NBA history to win
four NBA championships. And multiple League MVP awards. He joins
Lebron James, Michael Jordan's, Tim Duncan, Kareamed Abdul Jabbar, Bill Russell,
and some guy that wore number thirty two for the
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showtime Lakers? Is that a magic Johnson tweet? I'll go
with the peacocking. I'll say no, I'm gonna say absolutely
with the peacocking. It's gotta be that is a magic Johnson.
There we go, let's go. He's reminding everybody, Okay, Laker fans,
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time to get down to business to put another banner
in the rafters next season. Is that a magic Johnson tweet? Okay,
why not? Time to get down to business to put
another banner in the rafters next season. Does he have
the same tweet about Lonzo Ball? Time to put that
in the rafters? Hey, you're gonna hear about Lonzo Ball
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before this show's over, my friend, Yes you will. I'm
gonna say no, that is not magic Johnson tweet. Not
Steph Steph Curry can do it all? Is that a
magic Johnson tweets? Surry can do it all? Does all
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include defense every game? No? Do it all? He actually
has a pretty high overall defensive rating. But you know, lies,
damn lies and statistics. Um, I'm gonna say no, yeah,
way too short a tweet. No way, that is not
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Thank you Steph Curry for entertaining us and putting on
one of the best performances in NBA Finals history. Congratulations
on your fourth NBA Championship and first NBA Finals MVP.
Better than his performance in finals history. No, yeah, no, no,
he keep it talking about other than that guy that
wore number thirty two. Plus he would show Clay some
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love he loves and he'd have a picture of winning time. Okay,
you're all saying no, and that is a magic sweets.
Think he was going back to the well and he
should have just said this is just as good a
Finals as Cedric Maxwell had that one year. I think
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I think magic leaving Cedric Maxwell to James Worthy right
easily leaded a Worthy right now. Be sure to catch
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or wherever you get your podcasts. Well. Joining us now
on the hotline for all the big NFL news. A
guy who seems to be as disappointed in the play
off Jason Tatum as me. He is a current Pro
Football Hall of Fame voter. He is a long time
NFL insider. He is an author. He is Jason Cole.
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J Cole. What's happening, buddy? What's this inter music that you? Well,
you you mentioned this in in one of your visit
with us, so we used it for you now once
in a while. I can't. I can't really hear this.
What is it? It's it's it's a hot to take
on me. Then I just can for some reason, I
can't hear it very well. Okay, this is why I'm
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in the right mood. I'm good. I'm good. You got
you did the whole dude, Dude, I'm good, I'm good.
I'm feeling. I'm feeling it now. I just was. I
was a little confused. I was all off my game
for a second. You know, I get I'm easily distracted, Okay,
like Jayson Tatum. Okay, so I got it traveled on.
Jason Tatum wasn't distracted, he was absent. You have more
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tweets about Jayson Tatum in the last twenty four hours
and do the NFL. It was just well, yeah, because
it was so incredibly disappointed. There's nothing going on in
the NFL than like handwringing about Deshaun Watson, Like when
is it going to be suspended? Don't worry, it's gonna happen. Um,
Like Jayson Tatum, just like, dude, like go to the
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rack hard once in a while, will you just like
you're going against smaller guys, you're supposed to win that,
you know, that matchup played like that. I just it
was pathetic. It was really it was a really, a
really terrible performance. I gotta say that. You know, we
had Rick Buker on the show last night, NBA Insider,
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and he said he wouldn't be surprised if you find
out sometime in the next few days that he was
dealing with an injury that we just didn't know about
because they protected him from it, because it's not the
Jayson Tatum that he's seen over the course of the
past year plus. Please, how are you playing the previous series?
He probably great in the previous series against Miami, Right,
he had a four point game. He was fine. Okay,
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Now all of a sudden, it's always got a mystery injury.
You know, he didn't he just didn't want to attack
the basket. He played. I don't even want to say,
you know, say the words. How he played it was awful, Like,
I mean, just you know, man up. I mean, Andrew
Wiggins took his heart. It was like one of those
Indiana Jones movies and you know, a couple of doomers
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that spoiler, right, sorry about that. So yeah, I mean, like,
uh sorry, if anybody has not seen the movie in
the last forty years, Um, it has been forty years.
But it doesn't matter. There's younger people that are just
discovering Harrison Ford. They're saying, well, maybe they're with the
new announcement of the next Indiana Jones that's coming out,
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so they'll go back and read visit, right, Oh, that's
what happened. I mean, he didn't give you all the
context as to how it happens and what it means
to anything. Just said, this is gonna be a cool
piece that you're gonna want to keep your eyes peeled
for him. Yeah. Yeah, get the rock, that's what really,
that's what it's all about. Just get find the rocks
and anyways, Um, that would be nice if Jason Tatum
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had found the rock once in a while and when
he went to the rack, but it was he's not injured,
like like maybe right, I like the oker, but no,
he just it was listless performing Saint Andrew Wiggins. I'll
played him by a mile. So you' I'm done. You're
you're not gonna write the Jayson Tatum biography that Jayson
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Tatum a relentless life getting to the basket. You're not
going to be writing that. He was not what you
would call relentless. So no, okay, Jayson Tatum and unrelentless life.
Maybe that's a new one. He was he was, he
was no, he was relenting. He relented quite a bit.
Jayson Tatum a somewhat relentless life. Maybe that's the time,
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Maybe that's the sessionary life. I am. I am making
concessions to my legacy. I am Jason Tatum, Yes exactly,
I have none. Make it like one of those choices.
Is it always relentless, somewhat relentless, very little relentless, not
relentless at all, like when you have to have in
regular season games and up until the championship when everybody's
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watching and I shrink, Yes, that's that's just too long
a title. That's that's a big I am. I am
the Baker Mayfield of my time. Oh son that you
know you did you did not your first rodeo. So
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before we get into Shawn Watson, right, I wanted to
ask you about this because this is I really feel
this was the truth. When when when he said it yesterday,
was this whole Patrick Mahomes Tyreek killed to a tone
of Liola. Story has been so much fun with Tyreek
Hill saying that accuracy wise I would take to a
talent wise. It's very close. And you know Mahomes said yesterday,
I think he hit it right at that when he said,
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you know, I liked you know, Tyrek and I got
along Greade. I just saw him. Maybe it's him just
wanting to get his podcast off the ground, and I thought,
that's exactly what it is. I got a podcast. Now
I want to say something. I want people to subscribe,
So I'm gonna say something crazy like, Yeah, two and
Mahomes are kind of similar in some ways. They both
throw the ball. Yeah, they're both quarterbacks. They're both quarterbacks
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in the n f L. Yes, I will say it's
not a stretch to say that to a talk of
Viola is very accurate throwing the ball, that is true, Okay,
is the same level of accuracy with the same degree
of difficulty as Patrick Mahomes. What kind of absurd ist
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world do we live in to even draw any kind
of comparison between the two. I mean, look, I hope
too is a good player. Um, but come on, Patrick Mahomes. Yes, Tyreek,
go get some more subscribers, you know, like you buy
some subscribers if you really ask you to get the
thing off the ground. You got plenty of money from
the Dolphins. I like that buying the subscribers. Wrong, Well,
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I'll pay for you. Just let's get this thing started,
can't we. Let's do that? Yeah, obviously, you know, and
when Tyre was talking, he he brought up a couple
of specific plays about what Mahomes did to throw him open,
which I thought was just the most absurd part of
all of it. But we have to go to the
big topic, as you alluded to to Shaun Watson. Now
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they is it a year? Is it eight? I mean
it has to happen what we got a month time
right in theory before the start of training camp. Well,
I mean technically you could let him go through training camp,
but he's just prolonging this. I mean, look, I think
to be fair to the Browns, you have to declare
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what's going to happen to this guy before training camp starts,
because they can't go through training camp planning for him
to be the starter and taking all the reps. Um. Yeah,
this has to happen sooner than later for the league's
sake and for the team's sake. And if I was
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to be half of him, despite the fact that I
have guaranteed this guy two eight billion dollars or whatever
it is, Yeah, I want to know, um. And there's
a certain point. It's like, if this thing gets into being,
they asked for two years in an effort to get one,
which literally could happen right then, Um, this gets really
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really dicey for the Browns going forward, because I mean,
not only you're talking about Okay, we have to skip
this one year with him, but are we bleeding into
two years? And how does that affect our planning for
who we're gonna pay and when we're gonna pay Because
there are guys on that team right now that they're
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building with who may not be around when Deshaun Watson
finally gets a chance to play. So Dave and Klenni
just resigned on I really want to be here with
DeShawn Watson. You might be here after next year, Gidavion, Like,
that's just not happening. So there's a lot that does that.
There are a lot of moving parts here that the
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NFL has to solved by finally asking for the suspension.
I thought I thought that Mark Maski did a really
good job at the Washington Post of laying out what
the options are, and there are still a lot of
moving parts. But he's most likely right, which is the
NFL is going to ask for more and bargaining it
down to less. It's basically Ben Roethlisberger, where what was
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it six? And it came down to four. I think
it's gonna be way more than that. Um, but it
will come down to, you know, half or two thirds
of whatever they asked for. Hey, Baker, Kevin Stefanski, how
you doing? Man? Hey done? How are you? Is it good?
Are we cool? Come listen to talk? Are we like?
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You know? I know I said some things about we
need to have like an adult and stuff like, but um,
could we just go one more year? Can we do that? Look?
I didn't want I for you. They'll try they'll try
to lower round pick for Garoppolo because San Francisco has
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to get rid of Garoppolo. They don't have any choice
in this one. Because what's gonna happen with Tray Lance?
And I hear this all the time for people in
that building. He's just not very accurate right now. He
works really really hard, but it's gonna take him a while.
So they're gonna be doing a lot of you know,
run pass options stuff with Trey Lance, hoping his accuracy
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improves and really praying for it. But if he struggles
and he's and when he's the starter in Garoppolos around,
you've got a lot of guys, veteran guys, on that
team who believe that Garoppolo can help him win games,
and they're they're gonna want the team to go back
to Garoppolo. So Kyle Shanahan knows he has to make
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a clean right and even you know, he said it
earlier this month, he doesn't expect Garoppolo to be on
the team. So they're gonna go out and get something.
And I think it's probably gonna be Cleveland at that point,
because Cleveland would be happy to take Garoppolo on a
one year deal and make you know, he ends up,
you know, being a whole on this one, gets his
contract and then goes in is a free agent after
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this year. I mean, assuming he's okay with that. I
mean it's twenty something million dollars, so I think you'll
probably be fine. Well, let let me let me just
say this. Is it as simple as Baker Mayfield for
Jimmy Garoppolo. It could just be that simple, no, no,
because because San Francisco doesn't want Mayfield, right, So, I
mean it's gonna be a pick. It's probably a second
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that can turn it, a third that can turn into
a second, something like that. Maybe throwing something else to
make it look better like a sixth or a fifth, Right,
So you dress up a trade um for Garoppolo and
then you send you know whatever, you send Mayfield held
off to Carolina or wherever for something similar. So you
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basically got Garoppolo for free for one year and he
steps in and plays for Watson. Then when Watson's ready
to go after a year, he makes the full transition.
I mean that seems logical to me about how it'll
play out. And at this point in time, how many
other how many other teams are going to take Garoppolo
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where they're not gonna want They're gonna want to trade
something and have him on a long term deal, and
he's not necessarily gonna want to do that. At the
same time, coming off of the injury, you know, when
his value is less than what he thinks it should be,
where he can go to a place like Cleveland and
he can go, Okay, I'll play the one year out.
You know. I hope you guys get to the playoffs.
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You're decent enough team. You play a lot of play
actions basically the same offense that I just played the Rancisco.
This is a really easy transition for me and and
do that you know, you make the playoffs, you're looked
at as a guy who's it terrific, you know regularly
from quarterbacks guys and get you the playoffs, and sobody
will pay a lot of money for that. So for me,
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this is the logical way that it works out. See
once in a while, Jim Porter, Jason Colet, and give
you one in a while, Once in a while. Actually,
when you guys forced me to do it, when you
forced me to talk born gods trapped in it trapped me.
You went. We went serious sports on Jason Tatum. So
(27:28):
I didn't think I was talking about football in the
series way. I was talking about basketball this way. So
you got me into serious sports. Guy, what happened? And
now you started shaking your head like your Will Ferrell
debating James Carville in old school. What happened? You were?
You were? I was? I was? This is just listen,
(27:53):
it's rough. When you disappoint yourself, just start yelling bees
bees bees, in the words of Rowdy Roddy Piper. When
you start changing the answers, I start changing the question.
Well we'll start, sir on this. I love the part
about how um the nflp A was going to use
all of the lack of punishment of NFL owners as
(28:16):
grounds for a wide Deshaun Watson Wasn't that that to me?
Is like, that's such great logic and such a it's
such a some in the No. Yeah, some of your
nose at Jerry Jones and Bob Kraftman guys make him
shift in it a little bit. He's on Twitter at
(28:37):
Jason Coles sixty two. That is at Jason Coles sixty two.
Jay Cole is always funny. We appreciated my friend. We'll
talk to you. Where to your buddy? Hey, he keeps
that Hall of Fame vote for another he does, he does,
he gets. He definitely keeps it after that like this one.
He might have bought himself another couple of weeks. Ye.
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Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio Whip. All Right, I gotta I gotta bring up
a tweet that I got though as we get shipped
back to the NBA Finals. I thought I'd appreciate this
as a jumping off point for you. Uh. And this
comes from Trucker Joe on Twitter to say, just think
(29:18):
if Kerr went to coach the Knicks. Something we've talked
about before, but man, seems like we need to at
least you know, cross that tea and dot that I
here for you as you remember all the money that
he was offered and said, I beat it him out.
Mm hmm. You know, I remember when Steve Kerr was
going to be the next head coach of the Knicks
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and he turned it down to be the head coach
of the Warriors. I'm old enough to remember that. I said, Oh,
we're gonna get Steve Kerk because that's who Phil Jackson wanted.
It was gonna work out. And then suddenly the offer
was there and Steve there was nothing from Steve Kerr
and I said, he's not coming. He's not coming, He's
going someplace else. And then he goes to the Warriors,
and look at what happened. You talk about the You know,
there's so much has made about the Knicks missing out
(30:01):
on Steph Curry, right, Oh, had they just been able
to get and they were gonna take him with the
next pick, and you know every interview Steph does, I
thought I was gonna be a nick. Thanks for saying that.
I thought I was gonna be a nick. Uh. They
were even closer to getting Steve Kerr, who said no,
because it was it was, it was gonna be a certainty.
I remember talking about it like, hey, that looks like
Steve Kerr is gonna be the Knicks head coach. They're
(30:22):
working out the contract and Kurr is gonna be told
you it wasn't gonna work. Uh, well it didn't work.
It didn't take the job. I'm going three thousand miles away. Phil. Thanks,
I didn't want to say. I hate to say I
told you. So. You know, well, good body. He did
make the right decision. I mean he did. He made
the right decision. No, hey, he the rest is history,
(30:46):
as they say, as he chased down Phil Jackson for
what Jackson's got eleven? Right, so he needs he needs more? Well,
he's got to get more. Is I mean he's got
five as a player, he's got four as a coach.
He's gotta wait to go to catch Jackson as a
you know overall, because Jackson's got what's got one with
the Knicks, right Phil? Yeah, Yeah, that's okay. So Phil,
you know you've got to give you your totaling for Phil.
(31:08):
You gotta get a little, gotta get one more that
if you're counting the player. Yeah, folks should um go
back and watch some of the video of Phil. You know,
I talk about it guy, You said, I'm clearing out
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apply well. Saying goodbye to the NBA Finals, we're gonna
go and talk about what is next. We've been doing
that a lot tonight, given you are Eastern and Western
(31:50):
Conference final predictions for next year for the NBA. But
the big topic of this NBA Finals outside of is
Steph gonna win the m v P and may me
this is a code big topic with it was is
Draymond Green spending more time on his podcast than he
is actually getting ready to play in games. Here's a
spoiler alert. No, he wasn't. And when he said this
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following the game last night, it's kind of got lost
a bit because we're celebrating the championship and Curry and
is is he one of the top ten players of
all time and all this stuff. Today, Um, here was
Draymond Green talking about what has come with his podcast
and what is ahead podcast and nobody complaining all playoffs
(32:32):
have a couple of bad games, stop doing the podcast.
It ain't stopping. Y'all gonna get this podcast. They're gonna
get it all summer and next year too. Here it
is what it is, alright, So podcast we got into
this a tiny bit the other night, but this is
this has become a bigger topic now because it seems
like the topic of podcasts is just take it over, right.
(32:53):
Everybody everybody has a podcast. You look on social media,
Hey follow my podcast, follow my podcast. But especially now,
athletes are really into podcasts. Whether it's Draymond Green who
is now at the center of all this because he
won't stop talking about his podcast, Uh, there's other athletes
that all want their podcast right. We talked last night
a little bit about how Patrick Mahomes was extremely correct
(33:18):
when he said Tyreek Hill probably said the thing is
good about to compared to him because he wanted clicks
on his podcast, which I'm sure is on the case.
Tyry Hill starting a podcast and he wants clicks. They
want people to pay attention. So is this podcast? Is
this the new media that Draymond Green keeps talking about
what we're taking over? We're sick of you guys. We're
we're gonna be the media. No, I'll tell you exactly
(33:40):
where podcasts are out when it comes to athletes with him,
what the future is, right, Um, are they going to
change the media? No? Podcasts are around right now for
athletes for two reasons. One because they couldn't find their
way to control their message on social media. Right when
Twitter first came around and it was the Sports and
to love it, it was every athlete said the same thing.
(34:03):
I can get my message out to my fans without
having to dilute it through the media. Who's going to
twist it and turn me into a bad guy? Right?
Everything was the media's fault when they were getting bad raps.
Now I'm going to go right to my fans. I mean,
I'm gonna get the story right out. And what happened
over the past twelve years, how many guys have gotten fined,
lost jobs, gotten waived, gotten cut because they said the
wrong thing on social media. Okay, so they think it's
(34:25):
gonna be this, So we're gonna bypass everybody. So it's
gonna be I'm gonna get my message out and you
can't twist it. Oh, I wind up getting fired or
losing my gig because I can't stop pressing the phone
with my thumbs. So they couldn't control their message on
social media, and they couldn't monetize it, which is a
big deal because the big holy grail of social media
(34:46):
was how can you monetize this for the masses? Right?
How can the big people who have a lot of
followers monetize this? And it's become very difficult to monetize
it for lock because the actual impact of social media
is not that great, right we think, Oh, Twitter is No,
the smaller portion of the country is on Twitter. It's
a way to keep connected, it's way to find things out.
(35:07):
But to monetize it, no, you can't because you can't say, oh, Hey,
here's a lot of money. Tweet out this product to
your fans. Well, no one's gonna go buy this product
if they just see it on a tweet. They can't
do it. So how do athletes find a way to
control their message and monetize it? Tona Podcasts? Podcasts are
not very hard to do. You need a half hour
out of your day. You know, you hire the right
(35:29):
people to put it up and get it in the
right spot, and people can download and listen to it,
and you say things or tell stories and people will
pay attention to it. If you tell good stories and
you say things that are either interesting or provocative or controversial.
Guess what people are gonna pay attention if use Tyreek
Hill said this about tah and Patrick Mahomes. How many
people downloaded that podcast? How many people clicked on the
(35:51):
link to it, how many people clicked on the short
bit of it that was put up. It did weight,
It did well for him. Now, hey, I got a podcast.
Now this is what podcasts are going to be. It's
just going to be the next way for the athletes
to get their message out and instead of on social
media on Twitter, because how many people are making news
on so how many people are doing interviews now they're not.
(36:12):
I'm gonna go on somebody else's podcast. I'm gonna go
on so and so's podcast, I'm gonna go here on
my my friends podcast. I'm gonna go on this other
basketball players podcast, and I'm gonna say my thing. And
this is how it's going to work. We're gonna help
each other out. So all this is podcast is gonna
change the media or how the media has covered. It's
just going to be away for athletes to get their
message out. What it's gonna replace. It's gonna replace news
(36:36):
that's made by someone doing an interview with them. Hey,
there's not gonna be as much of insider X in
this interview with where the player, where the player says this,
I'd love to go play here. That's not gonna happen anymore.
That's not gonna happen. And you're not gonna see that.
And you're not gonna see big things said on social
media by athletes, where up until a few months ago
(36:56):
this year you did see that. You did see athletes
want to fight things out on social media or put
a message out about something. So those are the things
you're not gonna see as much. You won't see interviews
with journalists and you won't see them out on social
media with controversial messages. They will save it for their podcast,
where I can control the mess say exactly what I want. No, well,
(37:16):
that it got twisted in two Nati characters. No no, no no,
I can't say that. I said exactly what I wanted
on my podcast and I can make money at it,
which is the next best thing. That's the future of
podcast for athletes, not this new media that's gonna change
everything in the planet. Yeah. I like his new media
in theory, and I like your response in theory. I
(37:38):
think there's still that middle lane of they recognize, like
in Draymond still doing it right, still battling people on Twitter,
Kevin Durant, still battling people on Twitter. Uh. Tom Brady
did an interview with Dan Patrick on This very network
this week. So guys just still finding get a useful tool?
Now will they redirect folks back to their podcast? Okay?
(37:58):
But usually when they say something salacious, what's gonna help
it get seen? Going to old media and having a
bunch of people argue about it. That's ultimately it? Am
I tuning in to listen to Draymond for an hour
a time. I don't know. Maybe it might make me
a wiser man, but you know what, Nope, I'm not.
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But when something gets said, and something gets into the
the general sphere that we operate within, then sure we
pick it up, we figure out what the context was,
and we respond. So old media. Not that I'm calling
myself old old media. Mike Harmon, and I remember when
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books were printing on parchment and they had I had
to unrull a scroll to read from top to bottom.
You said that, like, it's wrong nothing, No, that's right, Sam.
You play that, you play that loud. But I'm not
gonna take this anymore. Here, you guys, we can get
network from night seventy two into the show if cething
(39:03):
it's celebrating his fifty anniversary. But I think for for
Draymond and a lot of others, yeah, they're they're great
extensions of what they want to build, right, personal branding,
a way to integrate all of their UH teammates UH.
And I mean that both as an actual player but
also in terms of the brands that they work with
(39:23):
and all of that. Everybody gets fed, everybody gets a
pad on the back, but it still has to filter
back to the larger population. You brought up Twitter, Yeah,
Twitter seven right or some some figure like that, And
right now it's in uh this very weird, nebulous place
about what what happens with it for the future. But
you look at Instagram, you look at TikTok, you look
(39:45):
at all these places where you can get little snippets out,
uh and engage folks, and and what do we know?
The attention span is short. Right. We love y'all, whether
you're here for three minutes or four hours. We recognize
most of you are not here for four hours. If
you are, thank you for exposing our show to your
family and co workers. I know you may do so
(40:06):
at great peril, but we appreciate you evangelizing on our
behalf and we love you and consider you family. Uh,
keep doing it, please, because we keep growing. I mean,
come on, we're adding affiliate's all over the place where
we're ubiquitous, We're everywhere. But that that's the point, is
that Draymond and Company, unless they're gonna take over all
these slots, still gonna need us to parse it out.
(40:29):
And I dare say this in a lot of ways.
While they may be able to break down right from
a technical perspective, health Fred Taylor was going off on
Twitter today, uh, you know, saying who's got their name
in my mouth? And all this and and being uh,
you know, derogatory in my career. I'm like, I didn't
see anything about anybody going after this is interesting. But
(40:51):
but to that point is they may they may be
able to give you the technical all right, here's how
this work that like, but I feel oftentime when it
starts down that path now being talked down to right
as exciting as it is to watch clips of J. J.
Reddick yelling at someone uh in old media and whatever else,
A lot of times it's the I plagued you didn't
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is the basis of what they're saying. And I think
a lot of fans, not just media, but I think
a lot of fans get turned off by that too. Yeah.
They may like it for thirty seconds of put him
in his place, but the rest of it becomes this,
look at my high level basketball like you and now
I'm gonna school you for five minutes. No, the idea
is to make it digestible and make it accessible to
(41:34):
everyone who may have stopped at grade school or high
school or whatever the level is, and not make me
feel like an idiot because I don't know the sport
as well as you do. Because that's part of the
the thing of the hashtag new media too, is calling
everybody else an idiot, and so I don't. I think
there's only so much value for that. Be sure to
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Smith Show with Mike Harmon on Fox Sports Radio. Now,
let me say this day after the NBA Finals today,
everybody with champagne in their eyes. The Warriors win their
fourth title the last eight years, and it's Steph and
Clay and Draymond. I've kept proceipts on our critics. Let
(00:43):
me just say this, all right, because I this has
been where I've been getting hit with all day. I
don't hate Steph Curry, even if you think I do.
What I do is I put his excellence in the
proper perspective. And I get that that's not popular because
it seems to be the only to you can have
on Steph Curry. Is the guards the greatest, He's a
(01:03):
great player. Is he an all time great shooter. Yes
he is, but that's all he kind of has to
be with this Warrior's team. All right. Again, People forget
Steph was in the league for six years, he had
made two All Star teams, and the Warriors were lucky
if they made the playoffs. Steve Kerr shows up and
suddenly it's a dynasty. Why Because he understood what he
(01:24):
needed to do and what he could do to take
advantage of what Steph Curry did. Well. This is why
I say Steph Curry is a system quarterback. He's not
a system quarterback that comes in and plays okay with
the team. He's a system quarterback that comes in and boy,
he's really terrific because of what's surrounding him. The Warriors
system is phenomenal, right, but he doesn't have to worry
(01:45):
about playing defense or to set plays up or rebound.
So when you talk about all time greats and it's Steph,
He's caught Lebron, No Lebron, James and Janice and and
all these guys, they're all better players. These are all
guys who are better players than Steph Curry. Is. Steph
does one thing, the most important thing in the NBA,
(02:05):
really really well, he puts the ball in the basket.
But he went from a nice twenty three point of
game player to a thirty point of game player when
Steve Kerr showed up. That's what he is. He's not
close to these other guys. He's not close to k
D and his prime. He's not. His numbers flow from
within that offense. If you took Steph Curry out of
the Warriors and you put him on another team, and
this is where Steph understands, Hey, maybe I need to
(02:27):
stay here because his offense is built around what I
do well. If you put Steph Curry on another team,
is he this guy? If you put him on the Knicks,
is he's suddenly getting freed up for all these threes
and as they go up and down the floor in
the flow of the offense. Of course not, it's there's
four guys on Steph oh, and he turns it over again.
The Warriors have created this offense around what he does well,
(02:47):
and he does it great, right, and now he's he's
moving up that list in the conversation of great players
all time. But he's not close to what the best
players in the NBA do now because they're asked to
do so much more. Lebron in his prime, k d
Janice especially are asked to do so much more. And hey, defensively,
(03:07):
you need to worry about X, Y and Z as well.
This is what these guys do, what Steph does. Steph
does great, but too suddenly because he scores a lot,
he's great. This is like saying, hey, Dominique Wilkins, is
he one of the Is he is he one of
the top three or four mount Rushmore players in the NBA?
No Demominique Wilkins in the eighties was the human highlight machine,
(03:27):
right because he scored, He put points on the board.
But Atlanta didn't win, didn't have the right system. We
weren't able to get past the Celtics. But this is
kind of what Steph Curry does, and he does it great.
And I'm not saying he's not a great player, but
you have to put what he does in perspective. You
put excellence in the proper perspective. Right, If I'm taking
for the next few years, am I taking Steph curryer
John Morant? I'm taking John morand who does more things
(03:50):
for his team? John Morando, Steph Curry, John Morant does
more right, because he holds the ball more, He dishes,
he scores, he plays defense, he does everything. There are
just players at simply do more and and the things
that Steph Curry doesn't do as well as the other
We just brought Rush away because he's so great and
he has a great image and everybody enjoys him. And
that's a big part of stuff too, is that because
(04:11):
he has such a great image that it's it's impossible
to criticize the guy. But yeah, he's great, he is awesome,
he is outstanding. He is a great, great player. He
deserved the m v P. He's got four championships. He's
moving up the list in conversations for great players of
all time. But let's just understand that when you talk
about him compared to the other great great players who
are playing now, he's still a level below because he's
(04:33):
not asked to do as much. He can't get big
shots at the end of games. Right, Where where where's
the list of all Steph Curry great buzzer beaters? Where's stuff?
Jason Tatum? As much as I lead you astray on
Jayson Tatum, Jayson Tatum's got more game winning shots because
Steph can't get his shots in the final couple of
minutes of games. This is why when games are close
down the stretch the Warriors, it's a toss up because
he can't get his shots off because he's too small,
(04:55):
and the teams are able to get in on him
more and shut him down and and closed down the
passing lanes, so we can't even get in and make
a pass to somebody who's wide open. So it's just
it's not that I think the guy's great. I've said
it all the time, but people want to blow off
when I say that. When I say he's great, to go, oh,
you know, like, No, his greatness is in the proper perspective.
(05:16):
That's how we should talk about Steph Curry, and that's
how we go with his accomplishments, with winning last night
and moving on from here with four championships and getting
a chance to go for another one next year. Yeah.
I mean the hard part is it's all compartmentalized, and
depending on how old you are, you hold certain players systems.
Teams dear right go back to whatever Kobe shack the
(05:38):
Jordan's bulls right, because Jordan had years key with Doug Collins.
They're getting into the playoffs. They're getting deep into the playoffs,
but they don't get over. Phil Jackson comes in, they
lose in the Eastern Conference finals, and then they win
six of the next eight. Alright, we we don't discount
Jordan's for the early years. Likewise, Steph, I you know
(06:02):
something changed. The Triangle came in and and look Scottie
Pippens there and you unleash hell upon the Eastern Conference.
And folks go back and say, well, he was playing
against a bunch of plumbers, which takes me to the
other point. Go back, right, if we're gonna go back
in time, look at the teams that the Celtics and
Lakers were running around. But we don't denigrate Magic or
Kareem or Worthy or Bird or any of those guys.
(06:26):
I mean, here's your h. We got Worthy fighting with
Cedric Maxwell over all sorts of stuff. So you know,
you got all that fun that that goes through. Go
back to the Bill Russell era. Uh, and you know
where how teams were constructed and the way things float,
and and there's problems and caveats that we can make
with all of them. With Steph, it comes down to, yes,
(06:48):
he's likable, except once he starts chewing his mouthpiece, certain
percentage of folks are gonna be mad. Well, yeah, time
things and getting a little chesty, which I liked because
you know, he was petty and they were all really petty.
I think that was the one thing. And I've been
saying it all along in these playoffs. If you ever
had a doubt and you and you really did believe
guys when they said I don't hear stuff. Uh, they
(07:09):
They've told you loud and clear, one after another. Blank you.
I heard everything you said, even if it was the
three in the morning on a Tuesday, Uh, in a
in a in a bar that was closed down, but
because they wanted you to sober up before you left,
they poured you a cup of coffee and you were
waxing poetic about the NBA game that was on replay.
They hear it, Okay, they hear it all. Richard Jefferson
(07:31):
confirming that in his post finals talks and Steph and
Clay and everybody. We've got receipts for everything. That's fine,
but we we look at and analyze the game. Right
for for Steff, it's it's just becomes the fun discussion
because all of it is just you decide where your
your starting line is. And generally any of those discussions
(07:51):
aren't discussions. It's just I'm going to stand for my guy,
and if you go against it, you're an idiot. That's
where we're at and everything in this society. And when
it comes to Michael versus Lebron, now Lebron, Steph add
Kobe and Duncan and whoever else you want to the conversation,
you pick and choose which parts of the guy's games, personalities,
(08:12):
whatever else you like. There's no denying one thing. Lebron
has changed the game, right with some of the way
offenses run, and he's a singular talent, so trying to
replicate that you're gonna have varying degrees of success, right,
But when we look at Steph, I mean, you can't
doubt that what the Warriors did change how teams work,
and Steph unselfish, all of those things. Those are all
(08:35):
nice attributes, and it becomes the if you want to
stand for Steph Curry, that's gonna be part of your
larger argument. But at the same time, if you're pick
your other guy, right, we we talk about it in
the moment, right, because for a while, as you do
the show, the show is that night, who's the guy
you're looking as, like, oh, the best guys Kevin Durant,
And now he's just an afterthought fighting with people on
(08:56):
Twitter again. I want to get back on social media.
That's where I want to fight. I want to fight
right now. But that's just it's the ebb and flow.
You pick your guy that you want to stand for,
grab the statue you like, throw out those you don't write.
The Lebron and Michael thing right. Lebron defense comes up
against Steph, but never against Michael. Be sure to catch
(09:18):
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the end of this year, getting into the off season,
what's next for everybody else? By playing And now it's
(09:39):
the Magic Johnson Twitter. Oh boy, oh, here it is.
It took a while from Magic Johnson, but he did
eventually start tweeting about the NBA Finals. So here we
go the most obvious and vanilla tweeter in the world,
Magic Johnson, I give you a tweet Your job is
to figure out if it is a Magic Johnson tweet
(10:00):
or made up entirely by myself playing? Is me, Mike Harmon,
Steve de Sager justin Frostburg? Are you guys ready to go?
Let's get it on. In the end, Steph Curry, Clay
Thompson and Andrew Wiggins were too much for Jayson Tatum,
Jalen Brown and Marcus Smart, with Steph winning his first
(10:20):
NBA Finals m v P. For the playoffs, the average
an incredible twenty seven points, six assists and five rebounds.
Is that a lot of stuff going on? Magic Johnson Satan, No, no,
no chance, no, no chance. I think you saw too
(10:40):
many clips of Paul McCartney singing with Springsteen and you
wanted to sing and in the end, and then you
rattle off a bunch of stats that is not you
guys are good. I assume the current Magic tweet is
you can see my Dodger is on Apple? Have Apple TV? Right? No?
(11:05):
His last tweet is, hey, does anybody know where I
can get the Dodgers game? You just put that out there.
Steph became the seventh player in NBA history to win
four NBA championships. And multiple League MVP awards. He joins
Lebron James, Michael Jordan's, Tim Duncan, Kareamed Abdul Jabbar, Bill Russell,
and some guy that wore number thirty two for the
(11:26):
showtime Lakers? Is that a magic Johnson tweet? I'll go
with the peacocking. I'll say no, I'm gonna say absolutely
with the peacocking. It's gotta be that is a magic Johnson.
There we go, let's go. He's reminding everybody, Okay, Laker fans,
(11:51):
time to get down to business to put another banner
in the rafters next season. Is that a magic Johnson tweet? Okay,
why not? Time to get down to business to put
another banner in the rafters next season. Does he have
the same tweet about Lonzo Ball? Time to put that
in the rafters? Hey, you're gonna hear about Lonzo Ball
(12:13):
before this show's over, my friend, Yes you will. I'm
gonna say no, that is not magic Johnson tweet. Not
Steph Steph Curry can do it all? Is that a
magic Johnson tweets? Surry can do it all? Does all
(12:37):
include defense every game? No? Do it all? He actually
has a pretty high overall defensive rating. But you know, lies,
damn lies and statistics. Um, I'm gonna say no, yeah,
way too short a tweet. No way, that is not
(12:57):
Thank you Steph Curry for entertaining us and putting on
one of the best performances in NBA Finals history. Congratulations
on your fourth NBA Championship and first NBA Finals MVP.
Better than his performance in finals history. No, yeah, no, no,
he keep it talking about other than that guy that
wore number thirty two. Plus he would show Clay some
(13:22):
love he loves and he'd have a picture of winning time. Okay,
you're all saying no, and that is a magic sweets.
Think he was going back to the well and he
should have just said this is just as good a
Finals as Cedric Maxwell had that one year. I think
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or wherever you get your podcasts. Well. Joining us now
on the hotline for all the big NFL news. A
guy who seems to be as disappointed in the play
off Jason Tatum as me. He is a current Pro
Football Hall of Fame voter. He is a long time
NFL insider. He is an author. He is Jason Cole.
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J Cole. What's happening, buddy? What's this inter music that you? Well,
you you mentioned this in in one of your visit
with us, so we used it for you now once
in a while. I can't. I can't really hear this.
What is it? It's it's it's a hot to take
on me. Then I just can for some reason, I
can't hear it very well. Okay, this is why I'm
(15:12):
in the right mood. I'm good. I'm good. You got
you did the whole dude, Dude, I'm good, I'm good.
I'm feeling. I'm feeling it now. I just was. I
was a little confused. I was all off my game
for a second. You know, I get I'm easily distracted, Okay,
like Jayson Tatum. Okay, so I got it traveled on.
Jason Tatum wasn't distracted, he was absent. You have more
(15:35):
tweets about Jayson Tatum in the last twenty four hours
and do the NFL. It was just well, yeah, because
it was so incredibly disappointed. There's nothing going on in
the NFL than like handwringing about Deshaun Watson, Like when
is it going to be suspended? Don't worry, it's gonna happen. Um,
Like Jayson Tatum, just like, dude, like go to the
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rack hard once in a while, will you just like
you're going against smaller guys, you're supposed to win that,
you know, that matchup played like that. I just it
was pathetic. It was really it was a really, a
really terrible performance. I gotta say that. You know, we
had Rick Buker on the show last night, NBA Insider,
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and he said he wouldn't be surprised if you find
out sometime in the next few days that he was
dealing with an injury that we just didn't know about
because they protected him from it, because it's not the
Jayson Tatum that he's seen over the course of the
past year plus. Please, how are you playing the previous series?
He probably great in the previous series against Miami, Right,
he had a four point game. He was fine. Okay,
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Now all of a sudden, it's always got a mystery injury.
You know, he didn't he just didn't want to attack
the basket. He played. I don't even want to say,
you know, say the words. How he played it was awful, Like,
I mean, just you know, man up. I mean, Andrew
Wiggins took his heart. It was like one of those
Indiana Jones movies and you know, a couple of doomers
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that spoiler, right, sorry about that. So yeah, I mean, like,
uh sorry, if anybody has not seen the movie in
the last forty years, Um, it has been forty years.
But it doesn't matter. There's younger people that are just
discovering Harrison Ford. They're saying, well, maybe they're with the
new announcement of the next Indiana Jones that's coming out,
(17:23):
so they'll go back and read visit, right, Oh, that's
what happened. I mean, he didn't give you all the
context as to how it happens and what it means
to anything. Just said, this is gonna be a cool
piece that you're gonna want to keep your eyes peeled
for him. Yeah. Yeah, get the rock, that's what really,
that's what it's all about. Just get find the rocks
and anyways, Um, that would be nice if Jason Tatum
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had found the rock once in a while and when
he went to the rack, but it was he's not injured,
like like maybe right, I like the oker, but no,
he just it was listless performing Saint Andrew Wiggins. I'll
played him by a mile. So you' I'm done. You're
you're not gonna write the Jayson Tatum biography that Jayson
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Tatum a relentless life getting to the basket. You're not
going to be writing that. He was not what you
would call relentless. So no, okay, Jayson Tatum and unrelentless life.
Maybe that's a new one. He was he was, he
was no, he was relenting. He relented quite a bit.
Jayson Tatum a somewhat relentless life. Maybe that's the time,
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Maybe that's the sessionary life. I am. I am making
concessions to my legacy. I am Jason Tatum, Yes exactly,
I have none. Make it like one of those choices.
Is it always relentless, somewhat relentless, very little relentless, not
relentless at all, like when you have to have in
regular season games and up until the championship when everybody's
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watching and I shrink, Yes, that's that's just too long
a title. That's that's a big I am. I am
the Baker Mayfield of my time. Oh son that you
know you did you did not your first rodeo. So
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before we get into Shawn Watson, right, I wanted to
ask you about this because this is I really feel
this was the truth. When when when he said it yesterday,
was this whole Patrick Mahomes Tyreek killed to a tone
of Liola. Story has been so much fun with Tyreek
Hill saying that accuracy wise I would take to a
talent wise. It's very close. And you know Mahomes said yesterday,
I think he hit it right at that when he said,
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you know, I liked you know, Tyrek and I got
along Greade. I just saw him. Maybe it's him just
wanting to get his podcast off the ground, and I thought,
that's exactly what it is. I got a podcast. Now
I want to say something. I want people to subscribe,
So I'm gonna say something crazy like, Yeah, two and
Mahomes are kind of similar in some ways. They both
throw the ball. Yeah, they're both quarterbacks. They're both quarterbacks
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in the n f L. Yes, I will say it's
not a stretch to say that to a talk of
Viola is very accurate throwing the ball, that is true, Okay,
is the same level of accuracy with the same degree
of difficulty as Patrick Mahomes. What kind of absurd ist
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world do we live in to even draw any kind
of comparison between the two. I mean, look, I hope
too is a good player. Um, but come on, Patrick Mahomes. Yes, Tyreek,
go get some more subscribers, you know, like you buy
some subscribers if you really ask you to get the
thing off the ground. You got plenty of money from
the Dolphins. I like that buying the subscribers. Wrong, Well,
(20:52):
I'll pay for you. Just let's get this thing started,
can't we. Let's do that? Yeah, obviously, you know, and
when Tyre was talking, he he brought up a couple
of specific plays about what Mahomes did to throw him open,
which I thought was just the most absurd part of
all of it. But we have to go to the
big topic, as you alluded to to Shaun Watson. Now
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they is it a year? Is it eight? I mean
it has to happen what we got a month time
right in theory before the start of training camp. Well,
I mean technically you could let him go through training camp,
but he's just prolonging this. I mean, look, I think
to be fair to the Browns, you have to declare
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what's going to happen to this guy before training camp starts,
because they can't go through training camp planning for him
to be the starter and taking all the reps. Um. Yeah,
this has to happen sooner than later for the league's
sake and for the team's sake. And if I was
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to be half of him, despite the fact that I
have guaranteed this guy two eight billion dollars or whatever
it is, Yeah, I want to know, um. And there's
a certain point. It's like, if this thing gets into being,
they asked for two years in an effort to get one,
which literally could happen right then, Um, this gets really
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really dicey for the Browns going forward, because I mean,
not only you're talking about Okay, we have to skip
this one year with him, but are we bleeding into
two years? And how does that affect our planning for
who we're gonna pay and when we're gonna pay Because
there are guys on that team right now that they're
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building with who may not be around when Deshaun Watson
finally gets a chance to play. So Dave and Klenni
just resigned on I really want to be here with
DeShawn Watson. You might be here after next year, Gidavion, Like,
that's just not happening. So there's a lot that does that.
There are a lot of moving parts here that the
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NFL has to solved by finally asking for the suspension.
I thought I thought that Mark Maski did a really
good job at the Washington Post of laying out what
the options are, and there are still a lot of
moving parts. But he's most likely right, which is the
NFL is going to ask for more and bargaining it
down to less. It's basically Ben Roethlisberger, where what was
(23:29):
it six? And it came down to four. I think
it's gonna be way more than that. Um, but it
will come down to, you know, half or two thirds
of whatever they asked for. Hey, Baker, Kevin Stefanski, how
you doing? Man? Hey done? How are you? Is it good?
Are we cool? Come listen to talk? Are we like?
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You know? I know I said some things about we
need to have like an adult and stuff like, but um,
could we just go one more year? Can we do that? Look?
I didn't want I for you. They'll try they'll try
to lower round pick for Garoppolo because San Francisco has
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to get rid of Garoppolo. They don't have any choice
in this one. Because what's gonna happen with Tray Lance?
And I hear this all the time for people in
that building. He's just not very accurate right now. He
works really really hard, but it's gonna take him a while.
So they're gonna be doing a lot of you know,
run pass options stuff with Trey Lance, hoping his accuracy
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improves and really praying for it. But if he struggles
and he's and when he's the starter in Garoppolos around,
you've got a lot of guys, veteran guys, on that
team who believe that Garoppolo can help him win games,
and they're they're gonna want the team to go back
to Garoppolo. So Kyle Shanahan knows he has to make
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a clean right and even you know, he said it
earlier this month, he doesn't expect Garoppolo to be on
the team. So they're gonna go out and get something.
And I think it's probably gonna be Cleveland at that point,
because Cleveland would be happy to take Garoppolo on a
one year deal and make you know, he ends up,
you know, being a whole on this one, gets his
contract and then goes in is a free agent after
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this year. I mean, assuming he's okay with that. I
mean it's twenty something million dollars, so I think you'll
probably be fine. Well, let let me let me just
say this. Is it as simple as Baker Mayfield for
Jimmy Garoppolo. It could just be that simple, no, no,
because because San Francisco doesn't want Mayfield, right, So, I
mean it's gonna be a pick. It's probably a second
(25:44):
that can turn it, a third that can turn into
a second, something like that. Maybe throwing something else to
make it look better like a sixth or a fifth, Right,
So you dress up a trade um for Garoppolo and
then you send you know whatever, you send Mayfield held
off to Carolina or wherever for something similar. So you
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basically got Garoppolo for free for one year and he
steps in and plays for Watson. Then when Watson's ready
to go after a year, he makes the full transition.
I mean that seems logical to me about how it'll
play out. And at this point in time, how many
other how many other teams are going to take Garoppolo
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where they're not gonna want They're gonna want to trade
something and have him on a long term deal, and
he's not necessarily gonna want to do that. At the
same time, coming off of the injury, you know, when
his value is less than what he thinks it should be,
where he can go to a place like Cleveland and
he can go, Okay, I'll play the one year out.
You know. I hope you guys get to the playoffs.
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You're decent enough team. You play a lot of play
actions basically the same offense that I just played the Rancisco.
This is a really easy transition for me and and
do that you know, you make the playoffs, you're looked
at as a guy who's it terrific, you know regularly
from quarterbacks guys and get you the playoffs, and sobody
will pay a lot of money for that. So for me,
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this is the logical way that it works out. See
once in a while, Jim Porter, Jason Colet, and give
you one in a while, Once in a while. Actually,
when you guys forced me to do it, when you
forced me to talk born gods trapped in it trapped me.
You went. We went serious sports on Jason Tatum. So
(27:28):
I didn't think I was talking about football in the
series way. I was talking about basketball this way. So
you got me into serious sports. Guy, what happened? And
now you started shaking your head like your Will Ferrell
debating James Carville in old school. What happened? You were?
You were? I was? I was? This is just listen,
(27:53):
it's rough. When you disappoint yourself, just start yelling bees
bees bees, in the words of Rowdy Roddy Piper. When
you start changing the answers, I start changing the question.
Well we'll start, sir on this. I love the part
about how um the nflp A was going to use
all of the lack of punishment of NFL owners as
(28:16):
grounds for a wide Deshaun Watson Wasn't that that to me?
Is like, that's such great logic and such a it's
such a some in the No. Yeah, some of your
nose at Jerry Jones and Bob Kraftman guys make him
shift in it a little bit. He's on Twitter at
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Jason Coles sixty two. That is at Jason Coles sixty two.
Jay Cole is always funny. We appreciated my friend. We'll
talk to you. Where to your buddy? Hey, he keeps
that Hall of Fame vote for another he does, he does,
he gets. He definitely keeps it after that like this one.
He might have bought himself another couple of weeks. Ye.
Be sure to catch live editions of The Jason Smith
(28:57):
Show with Mike harmon weekdays at ten pm Eastern, seven
pm Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio Whip. All Right, I gotta I gotta bring up
a tweet that I got though as we get shipped
back to the NBA Finals. I thought I'd appreciate this
as a jumping off point for you. Uh. And this
comes from Trucker Joe on Twitter to say, just think
(29:18):
if Kerr went to coach the Knicks. Something we've talked
about before, but man, seems like we need to at
least you know, cross that tea and dot that I
here for you as you remember all the money that
he was offered and said, I beat it him out.
Mm hmm. You know, I remember when Steve Kerr was
going to be the next head coach of the Knicks
(29:39):
and he turned it down to be the head coach
of the Warriors. I'm old enough to remember that. I said, Oh,
we're gonna get Steve Kerk because that's who Phil Jackson wanted.
It was gonna work out. And then suddenly the offer
was there and Steve there was nothing from Steve Kerr
and I said, he's not coming. He's not coming, He's
going someplace else. And then he goes to the Warriors,
and look at what happened. You talk about the You know,
there's so much has made about the Knicks missing out
(30:01):
on Steph Curry, right, Oh, had they just been able
to get and they were gonna take him with the
next pick, and you know every interview Steph does, I
thought I was gonna be a nick. Thanks for saying that.
I thought I was gonna be a nick. Uh. They
were even closer to getting Steve Kerr, who said no,
because it was it was, it was gonna be a certainty.
I remember talking about it like, hey, that looks like
Steve Kerr is gonna be the Knicks head coach. They're
(30:22):
working out the contract and Kurr is gonna be told
you it wasn't gonna work. Uh, well it didn't work.
It didn't take the job. I'm going three thousand miles away. Phil. Thanks,
I didn't want to say. I hate to say I
told you. So. You know, well, good body. He did
make the right decision. I mean he did. He made
the right decision. No, hey, he the rest is history,
(30:46):
as they say, as he chased down Phil Jackson for
what Jackson's got eleven? Right, so he needs he needs more? Well,
he's got to get more. Is I mean he's got
five as a player, he's got four as a coach.
He's gotta wait to go to catch Jackson as a
you know overall, because Jackson's got what's got one with
the Knicks, right Phil? Yeah, Yeah, that's okay. So Phil,
you know you've got to give you your totaling for Phil.
(31:08):
You gotta get a little, gotta get one more that
if you're counting the player. Yeah, folks should um go
back and watch some of the video of Phil. You know,
I talk about it guy, You said, I'm clearing out
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apply well. Saying goodbye to the NBA Finals, we're gonna
go and talk about what is next. We've been doing
that a lot tonight, given you are Eastern and Western
(31:50):
Conference final predictions for next year for the NBA. But
the big topic of this NBA Finals outside of is
Steph gonna win the m v P and may me
this is a code big topic with it was is
Draymond Green spending more time on his podcast than he
is actually getting ready to play in games. Here's a
spoiler alert. No, he wasn't. And when he said this
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following the game last night, it's kind of got lost
a bit because we're celebrating the championship and Curry and
is is he one of the top ten players of
all time and all this stuff. Today, Um, here was
Draymond Green talking about what has come with his podcast
and what is ahead podcast and nobody complaining all playoffs
(32:32):
have a couple of bad games, stop doing the podcast.
It ain't stopping. Y'all gonna get this podcast. They're gonna
get it all summer and next year too. Here it
is what it is, alright, So podcast we got into
this a tiny bit the other night, but this is
this has become a bigger topic now because it seems
like the topic of podcasts is just take it over, right.
(32:53):
Everybody everybody has a podcast. You look on social media,
Hey follow my podcast, follow my podcast. But especially now,
athletes are really into podcasts. Whether it's Draymond Green who
is now at the center of all this because he
won't stop talking about his podcast, Uh, there's other athletes
that all want their podcast right. We talked last night
a little bit about how Patrick Mahomes was extremely correct
(33:18):
when he said Tyreek Hill probably said the thing is
good about to compared to him because he wanted clicks
on his podcast, which I'm sure is on the case.
Tyry Hill starting a podcast and he wants clicks. They
want people to pay attention. So is this podcast? Is
this the new media that Draymond Green keeps talking about
what we're taking over? We're sick of you guys. We're
we're gonna be the media. No, I'll tell you exactly
(33:40):
where podcasts are out when it comes to athletes with him,
what the future is, right, Um, are they going to
change the media? No? Podcasts are around right now for
athletes for two reasons. One because they couldn't find their
way to control their message on social media. Right when
Twitter first came around and it was the Sports and
to love it, it was every athlete said the same thing.
(34:03):
I can get my message out to my fans without
having to dilute it through the media. Who's going to
twist it and turn me into a bad guy? Right?
Everything was the media's fault when they were getting bad raps.
Now I'm going to go right to my fans. I mean,
I'm gonna get the story right out. And what happened
over the past twelve years, how many guys have gotten fined,
lost jobs, gotten waived, gotten cut because they said the
wrong thing on social media. Okay, so they think it's
(34:25):
gonna be this, So we're gonna bypass everybody. So it's
gonna be I'm gonna get my message out and you
can't twist it. Oh, I wind up getting fired or
losing my gig because I can't stop pressing the phone
with my thumbs. So they couldn't control their message on
social media, and they couldn't monetize it, which is a
big deal because the big holy grail of social media
(34:46):
was how can you monetize this for the masses? Right?
How can the big people who have a lot of
followers monetize this? And it's become very difficult to monetize
it for lock because the actual impact of social media
is not that great, right we think, Oh, Twitter is No,
the smaller portion of the country is on Twitter. It's
a way to keep connected, it's way to find things out.
(35:07):
But to monetize it, no, you can't because you can't say, oh, Hey,
here's a lot of money. Tweet out this product to
your fans. Well, no one's gonna go buy this product
if they just see it on a tweet. They can't
do it. So how do athletes find a way to
control their message and monetize it? Tona Podcasts? Podcasts are
not very hard to do. You need a half hour
out of your day. You know, you hire the right
(35:29):
people to put it up and get it in the
right spot, and people can download and listen to it,
and you say things or tell stories and people will
pay attention to it. If you tell good stories and
you say things that are either interesting or provocative or controversial.
Guess what people are gonna pay attention if use Tyreek
Hill said this about tah and Patrick Mahomes. How many
people downloaded that podcast? How many people clicked on the
(35:51):
link to it, how many people clicked on the short
bit of it that was put up. It did weight,
It did well for him. Now, hey, I got a podcast.
Now this is what podcasts are going to be. It's
just going to be the next way for the athletes
to get their message out and instead of on social
media on Twitter, because how many people are making news
on so how many people are doing interviews now they're not.
(36:12):
I'm gonna go on somebody else's podcast. I'm gonna go
on so and so's podcast, I'm gonna go here on
my my friends podcast. I'm gonna go on this other
basketball players podcast, and I'm gonna say my thing. And
this is how it's going to work. We're gonna help
each other out. So all this is podcast is gonna
change the media or how the media has covered. It's
just going to be away for athletes to get their
message out. What it's gonna replace. It's gonna replace news
(36:36):
that's made by someone doing an interview with them. Hey,
there's not gonna be as much of insider X in
this interview with where the player, where the player says this,
I'd love to go play here. That's not gonna happen anymore.
That's not gonna happen. And you're not gonna see that.
And you're not gonna see big things said on social
media by athletes, where up until a few months ago
(36:56):
this year you did see that. You did see athletes
want to fight things out on social media or put
a message out about something. So those are the things
you're not gonna see as much. You won't see interviews
with journalists and you won't see them out on social
media with controversial messages. They will save it for their podcast,
where I can control the mess say exactly what I want. No, well,
(37:16):
that it got twisted in two Nati characters. No no, no no,
I can't say that. I said exactly what I wanted
on my podcast and I can make money at it,
which is the next best thing. That's the future of
podcast for athletes, not this new media that's gonna change
everything in the planet. Yeah. I like his new media
in theory, and I like your response in theory. I
(37:38):
think there's still that middle lane of they recognize, like
in Draymond still doing it right, still battling people on Twitter,
Kevin Durant, still battling people on Twitter. Uh. Tom Brady
did an interview with Dan Patrick on This very network
this week. So guys just still finding get a useful tool?
Now will they redirect folks back to their podcast? Okay?
(37:58):
But usually when they say something salacious, what's gonna help
it get seen? Going to old media and having a
bunch of people argue about it. That's ultimately it? Am
I tuning in to listen to Draymond for an hour
a time. I don't know. Maybe it might make me
a wiser man, but you know what, Nope, I'm not.
(38:18):
But when something gets said, and something gets into the
the general sphere that we operate within, then sure we
pick it up, we figure out what the context was,
and we respond. So old media. Not that I'm calling
myself old old media. Mike Harmon, and I remember when
(38:39):
books were printing on parchment and they had I had
to unrull a scroll to read from top to bottom.
You said that, like, it's wrong nothing, No, that's right, Sam.
You play that, you play that loud. But I'm not
gonna take this anymore. Here, you guys, we can get
network from night seventy two into the show if cething
(39:03):
it's celebrating his fifty anniversary. But I think for for
Draymond and a lot of others, yeah, they're they're great
extensions of what they want to build, right, personal branding,
a way to integrate all of their UH teammates UH.
And I mean that both as an actual player but
also in terms of the brands that they work with
(39:23):
and all of that. Everybody gets fed, everybody gets a
pad on the back, but it still has to filter
back to the larger population. You brought up Twitter, Yeah,
Twitter seven right or some some figure like that, And
right now it's in uh this very weird, nebulous place
about what what happens with it for the future. But
you look at Instagram, you look at TikTok, you look
(39:45):
at all these places where you can get little snippets out,
uh and engage folks, and and what do we know?
The attention span is short. Right. We love y'all, whether
you're here for three minutes or four hours. We recognize
most of you are not here for four hours. If
you are, thank you for exposing our show to your
family and co workers. I know you may do so
(40:06):
at great peril, but we appreciate you evangelizing on our
behalf and we love you and consider you family. Uh,
keep doing it, please, because we keep growing. I mean,
come on, we're adding affiliate's all over the place where
we're ubiquitous, We're everywhere. But that that's the point, is
that Draymond and Company, unless they're gonna take over all
these slots, still gonna need us to parse it out.
(40:29):
And I dare say this in a lot of ways.
While they may be able to break down right from
a technical perspective, health Fred Taylor was going off on
Twitter today, uh, you know, saying who's got their name
in my mouth? And all this and and being uh,
you know, derogatory in my career. I'm like, I didn't
see anything about anybody going after this is interesting. But
(40:51):
but to that point is they may they may be
able to give you the technical all right, here's how
this work that like, but I feel oftentime when it
starts down that path now being talked down to right
as exciting as it is to watch clips of J. J.
Reddick yelling at someone uh in old media and whatever else,
A lot of times it's the I plagued you didn't
(41:13):
is the basis of what they're saying. And I think
a lot of fans, not just media, but I think
a lot of fans get turned off by that too. Yeah.
They may like it for thirty seconds of put him
in his place, but the rest of it becomes this,
look at my high level basketball like you and now
I'm gonna school you for five minutes. No, the idea
is to make it digestible and make it accessible to
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everyone who may have stopped at grade school or high
school or whatever the level is, and not make me
feel like an idiot because I don't know the sport
as well as you do. Because that's part of the
the thing of the hashtag new media too, is calling
everybody else an idiot, and so I don't. I think
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