July 1, 2022 • 42 mins
With Doug and Jason filling in for Dan, they talk about the Kevin Durant requested trade from the Brooklyn Nets and how it got to this point. College Football Analyst Petros Papadakis joins Doug and Jason to talk about the USC and UCLA moving to the Big Ten Conference. Given Kyrie Irving's reported desire to play for the Lakers, the guys discuss the possible paths to making that happen for both teams.
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Jason Smith, Doug gottlie in for Dan and the Dan.
That's today, and Doug, let me let me start off
the day by wishing you a very happy Bobby body
a day. As you know, let's listen. Every year on
this day we look back, take stock of our lives,
and I just get depressed. So I am happy to
be here with you today on Bobby BINDI a day
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to talk about so many other things in the wide
world of sports. Why do you get depressed? I don't
understand deferred payments and the whole balance of you know,
should I should I put money away that'll pay me
in twenty five years or should I take it now?
And by the way, the state of your mets today
is outstanding, So you know, if Bobby Bonia Day should
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bring you back to the days of yore when Bobby
Bonilla was a Met, which of course is kind of
where we are with the Mets today. I look at
it a different present. Change your perspective on it, Jason.
The thing is, it's been such a bad headline and
such an embarrassing you know. The thing is, it's an
embarrassing optic more than anything, And the Mets don't do
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any more embarrassing up because you've been paying a guy
that hasn't played for you in twenty years, and you're
paying him for another, you know, thirteen years. I mean
this goes through twenty thirty five. It's hey, yeah, I
mean last year Ryan Reynolds put out the whole mint
Mobile campaign had a commercial with Bobby Bonilla and I'm laughing,
but I'm going this is this is my team. Every
this has happened with so many other teams, but the
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Bobby Bonilla Day and the contract in this because it
was like the first time we had seen it, Like, yeah,
this is just it's just a way to laugh at
the Mets every day, every every like you need another
reason to laugh at the Mets. But yes, this is
a great year. For us so far, this could be
as good as it gets, So I'm ready for the
bottom to fall at any time. But yeah, but this
is still one of those days where I just go, yeah,
here we go. People more people call me today and
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my friends I haven't heard from in like months and
just say happy Bobby Bani a day than like any
other day, Like more than on my birthday. People text
me and say hey, happy Bobby Bani a day. So
I get that today more than anything. I like it's
a great day for a baniah. But I don't know.
I just think it's a fascinating discussion. It's the old
you win the lottery, you take all the money, or
you take it surpress spread out over twenty five years,
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you know. I mean al And Iverson has one of
these deals with Reebok, Right, there's a lot of people
that thought nan Allen Iverson bad shape, Like now, actually
he has this deferred payment thing with Reebok from his shoes,
which you know he started making a couple of years ago.
So I actually think it's a really interesting business discussion.
And I don't think it's because for the Mets, for
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these teams that it allowed them to save cash put
it away into escrow and cost them less, you know,
to keep their players. And I think deferred compensation is
really interesting. But I do get it. It is by
Bunnia Day, and it does you know. It's one of
those what a great deal to be him, and what
a weird deal to be the Mets, especially when you
have a new Mets owner. Right although I believe all
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of this money was what was putting an Astro back
with the Wilpons. But still it's a really quirky day.
So I'll buy in. Have you Bobby Bunny a Day day?
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate that. We'll sell it right
later on with like margaritas or something. Sure. Uh now, look,
obviously the bat and this doesn't This isn't the worst
thing for me because I think, well, with everything going
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on in the NBA, Bobby Bunia Day is going to
pass by a little bit under the radar. Nope, Nope.
Still woke up this morning with the even though NBA,
but we're still reacting to the big news with Kevin
Durant asking for a trade from the Brooklyn Nets. Already,
we've seen so many different destinations thrown out there. Phoenix
in Miami at the top of the list. Other teams
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are throwing their names in the ring. Supposedly up to
twenty teams have called the Nets going, hey, this is
We're interested. What can we do? And the Nets have said,
We're going to take the best deal out there. It's
not going to be simply we just trade him wherever
he wants to go. You know, I saw this yesterday
dug In, and as soon as this happened for me
that my first thought was, he is just never going
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to be happy basketball wherever he goes. He's just he's
just one of those guys that is never going for
a variety of reasons, but mainly because he listens so
much to outside noise and he can't ever find a
situation where Okay, I'm here, I love basketball and I'm
playing and I really want to win. He had everything
in Oklahoma City to the point where when they had
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that really Benver, that bad mister unreliable headline that in
the Oklahoma City papers it was oh, mister unreliable, and
the paper apologized to him for that headline after there
was a big backlash on it, and Kevin Durant got
really mad. And when that happens you have to say, oh,
this is my town. I mean, I just had the
the newspaper apologized to me for a headline that questioned
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my talent. No, wasn't good enough for him. There. He
goes to Golden State, where every basketball player is gone. There,
says what a great system, what a great environment this
is with Steve Kerr, and he wins a couple of titles,
and he still is not happy enough, fights with Draymond.
He goes to Brooklyn where he decides, this is where
I want to build my next big empire here and
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Kyrie and I are going to do this together. We're
gonna run this team, and this is the next thing
what I want to do because I've checked those boxes
of winning a championship off of my resume and he
couldn't make it work there. So I don't know what's
going to suddenly make him happy his next stop in
the NBA. Okay, there's a lot to digest there. I'm
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going to disagree with you with Alcoholma City. He had
everything he won in terms of owning the town, right,
I mean, the guy agree with you on the mister unreliable,
But it was a team that didn't have what he
needed in order he's successful by his or I think
anybody's estimation, right the just remember he's when his last
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series when they had a three games of one leading
the Golden State Warriors. Um, you know Steven Adams and
Andre Robertson. You know you're playing three on two or
three on five on offense, and they added up the
victor of Ladipo that offseason. But he was just he
was just done with with that. First. I think he
liked the town. I think he'd liked the team. I
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just think it was the personnel wasn't good. It wasn't
good enough to be honest, and then when you're in
Golden State, I don't think it was about being unhappy there.
I think it was even how you would portray it,
which is he. In Katie's mind, all I had to
do is get to the finals and matchup of Lebron
and show I was a better player. He did that.
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He played better than Lebron. He guarded Lebron. He made
more big plays in the second half against Lebron in
two consecutive NBA finals. Really in the third one, although
he only played limited before he toured securely said he
used the difference maker, and yet he couldn't get the
respect that he thought he deserved as being the best
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player on the planet. The Brooklyn thing was a disaster.
But I don't think anybody like should he be happy?
But like, let's just be honest Jason, like, should should
he be happy? He went he went there, and he
went there one. They had great culture that obviously has
been destroyed. I think partially by Kyrie. I think a
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little bit by KD. I think a lot by the
move for Harden and the fact that they went after
the brass ring. But I mean, like, should you be happy?
I mean go back, Like, let's be let's take an
honest look at the last two years. You know, you
go back last season, people forget they were dominating the
Bucks of two games and none. Kyrie gets hurt, not
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a shocker. James Harden not himself because of a hamstring,
still got to Game seven and if not for his
toe being on the line, they beat the Milwaukee Bucks
and go to the NBA Finals. But this season was
an object disaster. And yet do I think that he's
a guy who searches. He's still searching for himself and
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searching for a home yeah, but you know, whether it's
he shouldn't have left. You could say you shouldn't have
left Oklahoma City, but I mean, now do you start
to kind of understand why maybe he wanted to get
away from Russell Westbrook He shouldn't have left Golden State
in order to be successful, but he still wasn't getting
any sort of respect that he deserved. So, you know,
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I do get it on some most I don't. I
don't know why you signed a contract that has four
more years left and now all I said, you said
you want out. But the team not communicating with him,
I think they're ready for a fresh start too. I
think I'm not sure that him asking to be traded
was news that Sean Marks didn't want to hear. It.
Didn't expect he here, right, like if you don't. There
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was multiple times there where Sean Marks was asked about
communicating with Kevin Brant and he had not. Now, it
does work both ways, but when you stop talking in
any relationship, the relationship ceased to exist. So I actually
don't think that the nets are sitting there going like,
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oh man, we're upset. I think this is a fresh
start for them, and I think they're going to try
and rebuild, get back to where they were previously, and
make smarter decision because because before Kyrie and Katie went in,
that was a team that had arguably the best culture.
I had the most fun that Kenny Atkinson's coaching five
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hundred and the Spencer didn't, Wini and Kara Slaverton, some
of those guys, but that group had fun and the
rest of the league took notice. I think he wants
to get back to that, and I actually think that
Katie's kind of doing them a favor that this felt.
This felt Iy, Here's how I relate. Okay, your daughter
played uth sports or whatever. I'll I'll give you kind
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of the au analogy. Right in a you have a
good team inevitably and you your kids play the right way,
You're going to have really really talented kids who play
on some of these big clubs that they just dominate people.
They'll want to play on your team because they feel like, well,
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the kids will all give them the ball and the
play a little bit of the system, and they'll be
the star. And what ends up happening is you take
a couple of those kids and now you're winning the
tournaments and you're you're you're competing on a bigger stage,
but it's not the core group of kids that you
actually cared about and put together the team for him.
And so that's what I think it is happening here
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in Brooklyn. Like it just didn't feel good ever once
you had Kyrie and KD. And then you bring in
James Harden and like, these guys aren't what they want
to be about. And I think that's where it Brooks
get back to. Well that part I'm with you on
because you just look at the nets first reaction. Normally,
if if a player of Kd's ilk you're talking about
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a you know, a top five, top three player, says
they want to be traded, what, what's the team's first reaction?
As always, well, hang on, we're going to talk through this.
This is this is you know, we're not just going
to give him away. We have to talk. We love Kevin,
we want him to stay, We want him to be
able to stay here and help us grow the Nets.
As a reason why we signed him, we still believe
in him, we believe in everything we have going on.
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And instead, right away it was yeah, yeah, we're gonna
take the best deal. I mean there was there was
no no pretending of yeah, listen, no, we got to
make it work. We got this is Kevin Durant, we're
talking about Matt No, this is we're gonna let him go.
And I think that's a big that's a big sign
for the rest of the NBA to go all right.
They're they're in on him with all of it. They
went all in and now they're so ready to let
him go. And when when when I see where he's
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gonna go next. And you talked about how, hey Brooklyn
wasn't really the right fit. It didn't work. He had
a great fit in Golden eight in Oklahoma City. He
wanted to get away from Russ. He's had all these
different times that he's had different experiences. Okay, maybe the
Oklahoma City one wasn't great towards the end he had
to get away. Maybe it wasn't as great. In gold
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Stakes he didn't get their respect, even though he's got
two NBA Finals MVPs. And then he wanted to have
the power of running the nets with k D and
Joe Sigh and Marx. But he's had all of these
things to experience and none of them have really made
him happy. So I don't know where, like his next
stop is suddenly going to be Okay. Now I'm here
and I'm back to winning, and I'm throwing myself back
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into things, and it's going to be different than it
was before, just because he's had all these different things
to experience, to try to find himself, to try to
find right. This is the guy I want to be,
This is the player I want to be. And whatever
wherever he ends up, whether it's Miami, whether it's Phoenix
or someplace else, or Denver, whatever, I don't see it
being any different than it's been for him for his career,
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where he'll get there and he'll be okay in the beginning,
and then after a while it's not gonna be as
great and as you go on in your career in sports,
when stars do this, you have less time to suffer
in certain times. So he was at Oklahoma City for
a long time and then now he had to go,
all right, Then he had a half half the time
in Golden State. Okay, I gotta go. Now he's had
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even less of a time in Brooklyn. All Right, I
gotta go. I kind of see that being his career
path now as it goes on. I think he's been
in Brooklyn four years. He was in Golden State three
and then right because he missed an entire year with
injury right as he been or is it three years
in Brooklyn. He's three years in Brooklyn, and yeah, he missed.
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He missed the whole entire first year. So it is interesting.
I think that Miami is the fit because if you
know Kevin Rent, he's or you take when everybody says
about him, and he's just about ball and that's what
they're kind of Heat culture is about. And they need him.
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They need a cheat code on offense. They needed a
guy to bail them out. And if they had the
ideas that they have that the problem becomes if the
Nets really want the best deal, the best deal would
come from somewhere relating to Oklahoma City or someone relating
to the Houston Rockets, because they have all the picks.
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You know, the Heat aren't going to have any good
picks for the rest of and the Heat are not
You're not going to come up Bam out of Bio
or Jimmy Butler, and so I don't know what comes
back in return that could equal out to what other
teams could give you value wise, but it's definitely fascinating. Um,
it really is interesting that that here Kevin Durant is
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and he like he chased it. I mean, I understand
that people there's always going to be the well because
he joined the Warriors and they had won a title
one seventy three games back to back years that it
was by many people's asked me on its wheat move. Okay,
he chased it, like we've all. Everybody I know is
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chase something. You know, you chase a girl, you know,
you chase your dream school, you chase the dream job.
Hell I can, I'll admit it. I chased my dream
job and it was not what I thought it was
gonna be in any way. And so I do kind
of relate to the Yeah, man, I thought I was
getting one thing and I'm not, and I'm sure Kevin
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Durant thought. And the top of the mountain feels different
than it did. But it's gonna be fascinating because you know,
before you heard his knee this year, he was maybe
not unquestionably, but he was the MVP a line and
if you go back to last year, at the end
of the year, he was unbelievable. In between, you had
the Olympics and you have all these great young players.
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The Olympics, Kevin Durant was the reason I won the
gold medal. It just he was unquestionably the best player
of that team. And so you're doctoring all those things
and we're looking at the lens of now. He may
be unhappy and he may continue to search for happiness.
As you say, Jason's very right, but that guy is
an amazing talent and he still seems to have several
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years left to play at that level. And whoever gets
and is suddenly going to be a championship caliberton Now
you said the heat and that's a great fit, and
certainly it is. Do you really think that's gonna happen?
The Nets are gonna say, okay, hey, here's one of
his preferred teams, and we're gonna send him there, and
we're gonna we're gonna make this other team in the
East that was close and potentially put them over the top.
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Are the Nets gonna, you know, be the Rockets and say, okay,
here's where you want to go. We can get a
decent deal. We're gonna do it. I have no idea
I just I don't. I don't know. Again, I don't
know what's being offered. I'll take shot Marks that face value,
because shot Marks seems to have been an honest salesman
in this thing. Right. He told us he wasn't talking
to KD. That should have told us that he was,
that that they were, that they were taking a breath
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as that he They basically told us that they didn't
want Kyrie back, right, That's that's why he said what
he said and end of the year exit pres Scotfort's meeting,
right when he said, we needs to be available played
for others, all the things that Kyrie has rightfully been
accused of not being right. So if he says we're
gonna wait for the best offer, or what's the best offer,
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are the Lakers going to offer up Anthony Davis for him?
Are they Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook? How does that
bounce out with Tyler hero and a bunch of other
stuff from Miami? I don't know. So the only honest
answer I can tell you is I really don't know.
But I do know that you asked about is there
a place he could be happy? That type of environment
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where you have a championship caliber culture of guys that
are just about you know, ball and getting after it
and they need somebody to be their bailout guy, to
give the ball to to win him a game. That's
what he's That's I think what he desires. He needs
some space, you know, can't have clutter in the paint
he had with Russell Westbrook and Andre Robertson and those
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type of guys. But outside of that, that's the type
of environment he needs. And I you know, the Clippers
could could be one if they were with the Ned's luck,
Paul George, how would that look. I mean, there's all
these different possibilities. But the heat style of guy, and
I hate to say heat culture, but it is. It's
kind of a heat culture. I think he fits that
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Dan and the Dan Netts today, and a day that's
just gonna get brighter and sunnier as we go on.
We're gonna get into a really big topic here that
we thought yesterday was going to wind up being about,
and it was for a while until Kevin Durant decided
to ask for a trade. But Doug, you know the
old saying, if you don't like the weather in Florida,
wait five minutes. You know, if you don't like what's
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going on in college football, wait five minutes. USC and
UCLA are going to go to the Big Ten. There's
rumors that Notre Dame could follow, and another big reorganizing
of the conferences in college sports. And you know, I
know that Colin Coward referred to this a few months
ago when he said, hey, something big was coming usc
wise and and here we are, here's the PAC twelve.
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And now you know that the two biggest teams are
going to be heading out in a couple of years.
And I admit not a lot shocks me. But when
this headline hit yesterday, I sat back and said, oh
my goodness, they're gonna play in the Big Ten. They're
gonna fly three thousand miles to start playing football games
on a regular basis. It's but this is a titanic
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land shift in college athletics. The it's the Big Ten
expansion initially obviously triggered all of this, and even more
so than the SEC expansion. You go back to the nineties,
the Big Ten expansion combined with the Big Ten network
and the money they were bringing in, and then of
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course it led to all the other stuff, including Missouri
and A and M leaving the SEC. Initially that began
it Ou and Texas. Obviously that's an even bigger but
now you have two schools that don't make any sort
of geographic sense, like none, Like you can sit here
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and go like, you know, I don't love I don't
I don't like Oklahoma leaving their Brothers school obviously my
own modern Oklahoma State, but I mean, like, look, Arkansas
is in the league text all you know, Texas, Techa
and am like that. That makes some sort of geographic sense.
It's the southwest and Oklahoma all the way into the southeast,
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got it right, you know when they added Missouri, Missouri
is really more of a Big Ten school. But that's
all right. It's it's on the board the ACC you know,
having Notre Dame in basketball, and they have some schools
that don't. But it is the Atlantic Coast Conference, and
so many of those alums from so many of those
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schools are from the Northeast. Anyway, it makes some sort
of sense. To have the two LA schools in the
Big Ten. Makes zero historic, zero geographic sense. It is
one hundred percent about the bottom line, about the amount
of money that they're going to make in the new
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Big Ten and everything we as we know it historically
in college football was destroyed. Yesterw like to think about,
like for years the one thing that we could count
on was the Rose Bowl, right, Pac ten champion and
the Big ten champion. Yes, that's over a hundred years
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of history on New Year's Day and it was protected
through the BCS and now the College Ball playoff that
was destroyed yesterday. So there's a lot to talk about.
But I hope people understand this is different than everything
that has preceded it in terms of the change and frankly,
what I think is the destruction of the glorious history
of even college football, which is what this is about.
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We'll talk about it more. We are because joining us
now on the hotline. He is the host of the
Petros and Money Show here on AM five seventy Sports
in LA, college football analyst for Fox Sports. He's on
Twitter at the Old p It's Petros Papadacus, who has
spent the last twenty four hours researching best hotels and
restaurants in Piscataway as he gets ready for USC and Rutgers. Petros,
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what's happening, man? You guys can hear me? Yeah, you
sound great, amazing, Gosh, all right, what were you asking
me about Piscataway? I've done a Rutgers game before Oh okay.
Oh so if this is gonna be old had, you're
gonna be the guy telling every okay, this is what
we should do when we get here for the first time. Well,
Fox has that's a big part of this, guys. Fox
has the Big ten contract, right, and Fox has run
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the Big ten network since its inception and since they
started printing money. So when ESPN made their move with
Texas and Oklahoma, this really does And everybody knows the
closeness between Fox executives and the Ten executives and USC
executives and Fox executives and all that, So this makes sense.
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It feels like it is a kind of a TV coup,
so to speak. I thought that we'd just be out
from under the umbrella of the NCAA with some kind
of huge super conference before these kind of moves. But putress,
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do you think this is good for the sport? Well,
I think USC had to do something. I think it's
about ten years late. They had to take their relevance
in their own hands, and they couldn't trust the new
TV deal because they spent the last decade listening to
Larry Scott talk about what a great TV deal they
had while Oregon State printed much less money than Mississippi State,
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or cal printed a lot less money than Vanderbilt or Perdue,
and they watch for about a decade while all of
these people printed money, while they just kind of got
poor and less and less relevant. If anything, you would
say this move is too late. Now it's a geographical nightmare,
there's no doubt about that. But they don't care about that.
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They don't care about that for the Olympic sports. They
care about the money. They care about making themselves relevant
again in the world of college football as it's changing.
And it's one of the few things that USC has
done in the last ten years that I agree with.
It's odd, but all the people that were saying, I
don't know, six seven years ago, like hey, USC should
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join the SEC, Hey they should do this, they sound
like raving lunatics. And now it kind of makes sense
given the climate. Do you think we actually see this happen?
Do you think we actually these teams that are joining
these new conferences when we get this big seismic shift
or is there going to be something bigger before them?
Will there be some kind of agreement, whether it's two
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or four super conferences that that sort of puts some
normalcy on this. Yeah, well we know there's no such
thing as normalcy anymore. Well, I mean for five minutes
until it changes again. Well yeah, I mean there'll be
seven years of this probably, and then we'll head I
mean that the NC Double A can't sustain this anymore,
and the NC double as doomed. The NC Double A
started to become doomed when ESPN and the SEC and
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a few other conglomerates came together to create the College
Football Playoff out from under the jurisdiction of the NC
Double A. So they don't have any power anymore, and
that's why they've let the NIL go. That's why they've
allowed all this conference shifting. That's why college football is
changing more rapidly than ever before. The NC Double A
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is losing their grip on the sport because the revenues
are just too big for them to control. So that's
what I thought that, like you said, that we'd be
headed more towards some kind of like premier league looking
thing or just like all the fifty teams that played
big time college football and then about wanting below them
kind of on the periphery. But that's not where we're
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at right now. We're going to have this giant Big
ten for a while and a giant SEC for a
while before it happens. But I mean, Jason, we know
people that are still attached to the Southwest Conference right
that are saying suwee pig and I mean college and
I remember the people in Nebraska screaming and crying how
they don't get to play Colorado every year. College football
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is constantly changing, and one of the great things about
it is the argument we have about it, whether it's
the BCS or before the BCS with the bowl system
or the playoff. Now, I mean, we're always yelling about
something and that's kind of the nature of it. So
I'm not as upset with this change as I would
be saying in nineteen ninety nine if it happens. Okay,
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so the Petris, let me ask you this. I feel
like this saves the Big twelve, you know, like, because
the next big question is the Big twelve. They named
a new commissioner a couple of days ago, is what's
their next TV deal look like? And I mean, look,
you got Stanford and Cal out there, you got Arizona,
Arizona State granted They're not usc They're not, but there
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it's better than Houston in central Florida in terms of relevance,
and it also it helps the time zone problem of
the PAC ten, Pac twelve whatever defunct now is. Does
this those schools roll into the Big twelve and essentially
save the Big twelve as a major conference? You know,
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I don't know. I mean there's a lot of people
out there saying a lot of different things. Can the
Big twelve be a major conference without a Texas or
Oklahoma in it? I guess would be the major question,
Like the Pac twelve, can they be a major conference
without the Trojans and the Bruins. You know what I
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think is probably the Big twelve absorbs the Arizona schools,
like you said, maybe Colorado and Utah, and maybe they
become more like a Their TV deal will probably look
more like a Mountain West deal than it would one
of these bigger deals. And then the same thing will
happen with some of the West Coast teams that we've
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grown up with, and they will get absorbed probably or
maybe by the Mountain West or maybe that'll be called
the Pac twelve, and their TV deal will be more
reflective of because we don't know what's going to happen
with Oregon and Washington. I can totally see the Big
Ten swallowing them up as well. And then USC has
some travel partners a little bit and all the trips
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are not as awkward for the Trojans. And then there's
also the football side of it, Doug. I mean, let's
think about the actual football side of it, like Arizona
State going down to TCU. Okay, I mean we can
all kind of see that and feel that a lot
of Arizona State teams are from Texas and all that players.
And I mean, but USC and West Lafayette in late November,
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you better change your office, you know. I Mean, there's
there's a lot there, and there's a reason Big Ten
teams are built the way they're built, and a lot
of them are built to play in late November in
that area when you really have to win games in
that part of the world. And what's going to happen
when UCLA has taken the field at Minnesota. I mean,
I don't care that there's a heat or under the field.
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I mean that's I mean when in the Pac Ten
in my day, all we had to worry about was
getting caught in Pullman in November, right, or maybe it
rained on you in Corvallis or Eugene, uh and or Seattle.
But this is a different logistical deal for them, just
as far as playing in that kind of way, it's
a different fib I think you can you can use
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a football died yesterday. So I think it's a huge
boost for them. Yeah, I really do. I think it's
a huge boost for UCLA. So you think UCLA is
going to compete with the Big Ten as a team
that doesn't have an on campus stadium, sure, right? Like, well,
I think what number one on? I think that's one
of the attractive things for the Big Ten, right, I mean,
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you're you live here. I mean even though you're down
there in Orange County, you still see the people in
the giant crewneck sweatshirts that say was Consent or Minnesota
or whoever the hell's PA? And the Rose Bowl. I listen,
I agree for the league, but it's gonna be like
the Chargers. They're gonna be playing road games at the
Rose Bowl. Now, the Rose Bowl probably be more full
than it's been. But I'm just in terms of being
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competitive in that league. How can UCLA be competitive in
the in the Big Ten? I don't see. Well. I
think they're they're I think they're in better just currently.
I mean this is a two year away thing, but
currently I think UCLA is in better shape to run
the ball and stop the run than USC is, at
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least on paper. I mean, UCLA has been dedicated to
that side of the ball, and every time UCLA has
played USC, I know s he's got a new coach,
but we haven't seen him play yet. And the knock
on him was also that he's too involved with the
skill positions and backs and they get beat up in
the trenches in Oklahoma. So, I mean UCLA put up
sixty three points on USC running the football last year
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and they have done the same thing to him over
the years. So I think Chip Kelly knows how to
run and stop the run. Now, is he's still going
to be the coach? What's it going to look like
in two years all of those things. Is UCLA going
to be the best team in the Big Ten? No?
But are they going to be inapt? I don't think so.
I don't. I don't see it in the same way.
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And also I think they both of these teams and
their brands were on the cosp of irrelevance. They could
not trust another, even though there's a new commissioner, and
even though all the bad stuff is supposed to be
behind him. What Larry Scott did and his TV deal
was so damaging that and USC was complicit, and so
as UCLA. They sat there and watched it happen for
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ten years, but they got there on the brink of
losing all their relevance. So when when that happens, you
have to take something in your own hands and start
trying to make as much money as your peers are.
And that's what this move is. The host of the
Petros and Money Show on AM five seventy sports here
in Los Angeles, college football analyst for Fox on Twitter
(33:13):
at the old p Petro's Papadakis, Petro's thanks a bunch
of getting up so early with us on Bobby Benie
a day. We'll talk to you soon, man, My pleasure up. Sorry,
I couldn't get the you know, I'm like a monkey
with this thing. I guess I can't figure out my comrade. Yeah,
you're good, dude. Everything was great. There goes Petro's The
Dead Patrick Show, Jason Smith, Doug Gott lead in for
Dan the Dennets today, All right, real quick, Doug, Yes
(33:35):
or nope, because now this is gonna be the next
part of this topic. Not tre Dame. You have to
make a lot of money with their TV deal with NBC,
could potentially make a ton more with Fox and the
and the Big TV deal if it comes up. Does
not Tre Dame leave for the Big Ten? I mean
it just it's gonna depend on the bottom line. You know.
The Big Ten has always made more geographic sense. I
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think the ACCC has worked out for them really well,
not just financially, but also they can be kind of
a quasi member. We're in for everything. I don't think so.
I think they're good where they are. I think they're
able to be competitive in their other sports. But this
Big Ten number is reportedly one hundred million dollars total
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per school per year. I don't know what Notre Dame
brought in last year, but I don't think it's anywhere
near one hundred, and so that becomes the question, you know,
if this, if they if other places can get them
to one hundred or above that, then they stay where
they are. Or they do their own thing. If not,
then they go where the where they're getting is good
(34:41):
in one hundred million dollars, some good getting. Jason Smith
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Well with Kevin Durant's trade request from the Brooklyn Nets
shaking the world up. Well, what's next now for Kyrie Irving,
who could also be leaving the Nets? According to many
reports in the last twenty four hours, Kyrie is lazy.
You're focused on getting to the Lakers and getting out
of Brooklyn. Dug his Kyrie get out. He doesn't have
a lot of trade value right now, but he seems
(36:08):
to want this Lakers thing to happen. Can you do
with James Harden and say, listen, I'm just not gonna
play or you're gonna get me to where I want
to go, and that's how I'm going to continue my career.
I don't think he can do that, you know. I
think that's one of the things Jay that we learned
(36:30):
about Kyrie earlier this week when he opted in because
the path to the Lakers was there, he just had
to opt out and take their bid level exception done deal.
Now it's a thirty million dollar hit combined with the
fact that he lost his Nike deal. But if money's
not important to you, money's not important to you. So
(36:50):
I guess a certain amount of money is not important
to you. I don't know, so I don't think. I
think he showed his cards earlier this week that he's
not willing to sacrifice that salary. He wants that money,
needs that that money. So no, he can't make it
happen to the Lakers. Could it still happen to go Lakers? Yeah,
(37:10):
I guess. I mean that means that Brooklyn would have
to accept a deal. What when the Lakers would have
to offer it up and the Brooklyn would have to
do a deal where it's Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook
for Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. I think the Lakers
would do that. I don't believe the Nets would do that.
(37:33):
So the answer to your question is could it happen? Yeah,
A lot of things could happen. Will it happen? I
would bet again, I would bet against it. See, I
look at Kyrie and how it's going to come out
from one of two ways, and it's not with him
getting traded right now. Either he begins the season with
Brooklyn and as it goes on, the Nets look for
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a trade and Kyrie is dealt sometime during the season,
maybe it's the beginning of the year because things go
awful and he is skipping games and he's sitting out
and it's a hardened rocket situation where Okay, it's very
untenable early and they wind up moving him because they
have to at that point. Either that or maybe they
could Brooklyn John Wallam and say Okay, this is bad
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and things could get bad over the next couple of
weeks and months before the season and it's decided he's
gonna sit and not play until they can figure out
a deal for him. Is that something that could come up,
because I think the first one is more likely, But
I don't want to rule that out either. I don't
think he'll play another game for the Nets. I think
he'll be traded this offseason. Kyrie's not gonna shove U.
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If Kevin Durant gets traded, Kyrie's not gonna shove him.
Goes like, no, no, I'm good. I'd like to play here.
I don't. I think all he did earlier this week,
I thought that they were getting them all, Hey, let's
let's try and run this thing and fix it and
have a because they haven't even had a training camp.
When they're all there, you know, first year, Kad wasn't
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It was a different coach, but Katie wasn't healthy. The
second year, Katie and Kyrie were there, but they end
up trading for James Harden. You know, this year, James
Harden obviously wasn't physically right, and they didn't have Kyrie
at all until kind of mid season, right, say, They've
never actually been able to build a team. So that's
what I thought early in the week when he opted in.
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I was wrong. This thing's over. It's just selling off
the pieces. And I think if you had John Wallam,
it just shows you what you're not going to get
much to return to get pennies out of the dollar.
So I think all options are open, and he wants
it to happen with LA. I just I don't know
how it happens with La unless KD locks arm in
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arm with him and they try and try and make
the Lakers, you know, or to try and make the
Nets except to Russell Westbrook, and maybe they buy out Westbrook,
or they they John wall Westbrook if they get him.
But I don't. I don't think he ever plays a
game with the Nets again, and I don't think they
pay him to not play. That would be my guests,
(40:07):
because that's I mean, like that this is this is
a napalm the thing sort of moment yesterday when that
tweet went out from I think Sham's had it that
Kevin Durant want to be traded check please, I'm out.
And he didn't say I want to be traded with
Kyrie Irving. Yeah, they're gonna almost they're gonna have to
accept nothing for Kyrie. I mean they're they're gonna have
(40:30):
to understand that whatever deal we make, it's not going
to be something that's gonna help us restock the cupboard.
Like it is. All right, we're gonna trade Kevin Durant.
We're gonna get a lot forward, going to get some
kind of package that's gonna help us move forward and
build on whatever we have left over. I mean, it's
it's really just gonna be hey, uh what what what
can we get? And and and we're gonna wind up
(40:51):
moving on because I can't I can't see any team
that's going to give them anything where of of of
real value, where the nets are gonna move forward and
all right, this guy can be a piece for us.
I just it's gonna wind up being one of those
kinds of trades. Yes, I just again I think what
Sean Marks takes back in return are probably expiring contracts, right,
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you know, trade exceptions, etc. But also culture guys. So
do I do I think they'll get a star back
in return? No, but I think they'll They'll be a
specific desire and it'll have to be a place that
he's he wants to go and he wants to show up.
You know, you can have to have him work with you.
But the Kyrie list before he opted in was like
(41:35):
six or seven teams deep. And I still think that
they'll get something back. I just they weren't open to
taking Russell Westbrook early in the week. I don't see
them being open to taking Russell of Westbrook. Now The
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Jason Smith, Doug gottlie in for Dan and the Dan.
That's today, and Doug, let me let me start off
the day by wishing you a very happy Bobby body
a day. As you know, let's listen. Every year on
this day we look back, take stock of our lives,
and I just get depressed. So I am happy to
be here with you today on Bobby BINDI a day
(00:43):
to talk about so many other things in the wide
world of sports. Why do you get depressed? I don't
understand deferred payments and the whole balance of you know,
should I should I put money away that'll pay me
in twenty five years or should I take it now?
And by the way, the state of your mets today
is outstanding, So you know, if Bobby Bonia Day should
(01:04):
bring you back to the days of yore when Bobby
Bonilla was a Met, which of course is kind of
where we are with the Mets today. I look at
it a different present. Change your perspective on it, Jason.
The thing is, it's been such a bad headline and
such an embarrassing you know. The thing is, it's an
embarrassing optic more than anything, And the Mets don't do
(01:24):
any more embarrassing up because you've been paying a guy
that hasn't played for you in twenty years, and you're
paying him for another, you know, thirteen years. I mean
this goes through twenty thirty five. It's hey, yeah, I
mean last year Ryan Reynolds put out the whole mint
Mobile campaign had a commercial with Bobby Bonilla and I'm laughing,
but I'm going this is this is my team. Every
this has happened with so many other teams, but the
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Bobby Bonilla Day and the contract in this because it
was like the first time we had seen it, Like, yeah,
this is just it's just a way to laugh at
the Mets every day, every every like you need another
reason to laugh at the Mets. But yes, this is
a great year. For us so far, this could be
as good as it gets, So I'm ready for the
bottom to fall at any time. But yeah, but this
is still one of those days where I just go, yeah,
here we go. People more people call me today and
(02:08):
my friends I haven't heard from in like months and
just say happy Bobby Bani a day than like any
other day, Like more than on my birthday. People text
me and say hey, happy Bobby Bani a day. So
I get that today more than anything. I like it's
a great day for a baniah. But I don't know.
I just think it's a fascinating discussion. It's the old
you win the lottery, you take all the money, or
you take it surpress spread out over twenty five years,
(02:30):
you know. I mean al And Iverson has one of
these deals with Reebok, Right, there's a lot of people
that thought nan Allen Iverson bad shape, Like now, actually
he has this deferred payment thing with Reebok from his shoes,
which you know he started making a couple of years ago.
So I actually think it's a really interesting business discussion.
And I don't think it's because for the Mets, for
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these teams that it allowed them to save cash put
it away into escrow and cost them less, you know,
to keep their players. And I think deferred compensation is
really interesting. But I do get it. It is by
Bunnia Day, and it does you know. It's one of
those what a great deal to be him, and what
a weird deal to be the Mets, especially when you
have a new Mets owner. Right although I believe all
(03:14):
of this money was what was putting an Astro back
with the Wilpons. But still it's a really quirky day.
So I'll buy in. Have you Bobby Bunny a Day day?
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate that. We'll sell it right
later on with like margaritas or something. Sure. Uh now, look,
obviously the bat and this doesn't This isn't the worst
thing for me because I think, well, with everything going
(03:36):
on in the NBA, Bobby Bunia Day is going to
pass by a little bit under the radar. Nope, Nope.
Still woke up this morning with the even though NBA,
but we're still reacting to the big news with Kevin
Durant asking for a trade from the Brooklyn Nets. Already,
we've seen so many different destinations thrown out there. Phoenix
in Miami at the top of the list. Other teams
(03:57):
are throwing their names in the ring. Supposedly up to
twenty teams have called the Nets going, hey, this is
We're interested. What can we do? And the Nets have said,
We're going to take the best deal out there. It's
not going to be simply we just trade him wherever
he wants to go. You know, I saw this yesterday
dug In, and as soon as this happened for me
that my first thought was, he is just never going
(04:20):
to be happy basketball wherever he goes. He's just he's
just one of those guys that is never going for
a variety of reasons, but mainly because he listens so
much to outside noise and he can't ever find a
situation where Okay, I'm here, I love basketball and I'm
playing and I really want to win. He had everything
in Oklahoma City to the point where when they had
(04:42):
that really Benver, that bad mister unreliable headline that in
the Oklahoma City papers it was oh, mister unreliable, and
the paper apologized to him for that headline after there
was a big backlash on it, and Kevin Durant got
really mad. And when that happens you have to say, oh,
this is my town. I mean, I just had the
the newspaper apologized to me for a headline that questioned
(05:03):
my talent. No, wasn't good enough for him. There. He
goes to Golden State, where every basketball player is gone. There,
says what a great system, what a great environment this
is with Steve Kerr, and he wins a couple of titles,
and he still is not happy enough, fights with Draymond.
He goes to Brooklyn where he decides, this is where
I want to build my next big empire here and
(05:24):
Kyrie and I are going to do this together. We're
gonna run this team, and this is the next thing
what I want to do because I've checked those boxes
of winning a championship off of my resume and he
couldn't make it work there. So I don't know what's
going to suddenly make him happy his next stop in
the NBA. Okay, there's a lot to digest there. I'm
(05:44):
going to disagree with you with Alcoholma City. He had
everything he won in terms of owning the town, right,
I mean, the guy agree with you on the mister unreliable,
But it was a team that didn't have what he
needed in order he's successful by his or I think
anybody's estimation, right the just remember he's when his last
(06:07):
series when they had a three games of one leading
the Golden State Warriors. Um, you know Steven Adams and
Andre Robertson. You know you're playing three on two or
three on five on offense, and they added up the
victor of Ladipo that offseason. But he was just he
was just done with with that. First. I think he
liked the town. I think he'd liked the team. I
(06:27):
just think it was the personnel wasn't good. It wasn't
good enough to be honest, and then when you're in
Golden State, I don't think it was about being unhappy there.
I think it was even how you would portray it,
which is he. In Katie's mind, all I had to
do is get to the finals and matchup of Lebron
and show I was a better player. He did that.
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He played better than Lebron. He guarded Lebron. He made
more big plays in the second half against Lebron in
two consecutive NBA finals. Really in the third one, although
he only played limited before he toured securely said he
used the difference maker, and yet he couldn't get the
respect that he thought he deserved as being the best
(07:11):
player on the planet. The Brooklyn thing was a disaster.
But I don't think anybody like should he be happy?
But like, let's just be honest Jason, like, should should
he be happy? He went he went there, and he
went there one. They had great culture that obviously has
been destroyed. I think partially by Kyrie. I think a
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little bit by KD. I think a lot by the
move for Harden and the fact that they went after
the brass ring. But I mean, like, should you be happy?
I mean go back, Like, let's be let's take an
honest look at the last two years. You know, you
go back last season, people forget they were dominating the
Bucks of two games and none. Kyrie gets hurt, not
(07:54):
a shocker. James Harden not himself because of a hamstring,
still got to Game seven and if not for his
toe being on the line, they beat the Milwaukee Bucks
and go to the NBA Finals. But this season was
an object disaster. And yet do I think that he's
a guy who searches. He's still searching for himself and
(08:15):
searching for a home yeah, but you know, whether it's
he shouldn't have left. You could say you shouldn't have
left Oklahoma City, but I mean, now do you start
to kind of understand why maybe he wanted to get
away from Russell Westbrook He shouldn't have left Golden State
in order to be successful, but he still wasn't getting
any sort of respect that he deserved. So, you know,
(08:40):
I do get it on some most I don't. I
don't know why you signed a contract that has four
more years left and now all I said, you said
you want out. But the team not communicating with him,
I think they're ready for a fresh start too. I
think I'm not sure that him asking to be traded
was news that Sean Marks didn't want to hear. It.
Didn't expect he here, right, like if you don't. There
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was multiple times there where Sean Marks was asked about
communicating with Kevin Brant and he had not. Now, it
does work both ways, but when you stop talking in
any relationship, the relationship ceased to exist. So I actually
don't think that the nets are sitting there going like,
(09:23):
oh man, we're upset. I think this is a fresh
start for them, and I think they're going to try
and rebuild, get back to where they were previously, and
make smarter decision because because before Kyrie and Katie went in,
that was a team that had arguably the best culture.
I had the most fun that Kenny Atkinson's coaching five
(09:43):
hundred and the Spencer didn't, Wini and Kara Slaverton, some
of those guys, but that group had fun and the
rest of the league took notice. I think he wants
to get back to that, and I actually think that
Katie's kind of doing them a favor that this felt.
This felt Iy, Here's how I relate. Okay, your daughter
played uth sports or whatever. I'll I'll give you kind
(10:06):
of the au analogy. Right in a you have a
good team inevitably and you your kids play the right way,
You're going to have really really talented kids who play
on some of these big clubs that they just dominate people.
They'll want to play on your team because they feel like, well,
(10:27):
the kids will all give them the ball and the
play a little bit of the system, and they'll be
the star. And what ends up happening is you take
a couple of those kids and now you're winning the
tournaments and you're you're you're competing on a bigger stage,
but it's not the core group of kids that you
actually cared about and put together the team for him.
And so that's what I think it is happening here
(10:48):
in Brooklyn. Like it just didn't feel good ever once
you had Kyrie and KD. And then you bring in
James Harden and like, these guys aren't what they want
to be about. And I think that's where it Brooks
get back to. Well that part I'm with you on
because you just look at the nets first reaction. Normally,
if if a player of Kd's ilk you're talking about
(11:10):
a you know, a top five, top three player, says
they want to be traded, what, what's the team's first reaction?
As always, well, hang on, we're going to talk through this.
This is this is you know, we're not just going
to give him away. We have to talk. We love Kevin,
we want him to stay, We want him to be
able to stay here and help us grow the Nets.
As a reason why we signed him, we still believe
in him, we believe in everything we have going on.
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And instead, right away it was yeah, yeah, we're gonna
take the best deal. I mean there was there was
no no pretending of yeah, listen, no, we got to
make it work. We got this is Kevin Durant, we're
talking about Matt No, this is we're gonna let him go.
And I think that's a big that's a big sign
for the rest of the NBA to go all right.
They're they're in on him with all of it. They
went all in and now they're so ready to let
him go. And when when when I see where he's
(11:53):
gonna go next. And you talked about how, hey Brooklyn
wasn't really the right fit. It didn't work. He had
a great fit in Golden eight in Oklahoma City. He
wanted to get away from Russ. He's had all these
different times that he's had different experiences. Okay, maybe the
Oklahoma City one wasn't great towards the end he had
to get away. Maybe it wasn't as great. In gold
(12:15):
Stakes he didn't get their respect, even though he's got
two NBA Finals MVPs. And then he wanted to have
the power of running the nets with k D and
Joe Sigh and Marx. But he's had all of these
things to experience and none of them have really made
him happy. So I don't know where, like his next
stop is suddenly going to be Okay. Now I'm here
and I'm back to winning, and I'm throwing myself back
(12:36):
into things, and it's going to be different than it
was before, just because he's had all these different things
to experience, to try to find himself, to try to
find right. This is the guy I want to be,
This is the player I want to be. And whatever
wherever he ends up, whether it's Miami, whether it's Phoenix
or someplace else, or Denver, whatever, I don't see it
being any different than it's been for him for his career,
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where he'll get there and he'll be okay in the beginning,
and then after a while it's not gonna be as
great and as you go on in your career in sports,
when stars do this, you have less time to suffer
in certain times. So he was at Oklahoma City for
a long time and then now he had to go,
all right, Then he had a half half the time
in Golden State. Okay, I gotta go. Now he's had
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even less of a time in Brooklyn. All Right, I
gotta go. I kind of see that being his career
path now as it goes on. I think he's been
in Brooklyn four years. He was in Golden State three
and then right because he missed an entire year with
injury right as he been or is it three years
in Brooklyn. He's three years in Brooklyn, and yeah, he missed.
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He missed the whole entire first year. So it is interesting.
I think that Miami is the fit because if you
know Kevin Rent, he's or you take when everybody says
about him, and he's just about ball and that's what
they're kind of Heat culture is about. And they need him.
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They need a cheat code on offense. They needed a
guy to bail them out. And if they had the
ideas that they have that the problem becomes if the
Nets really want the best deal, the best deal would
come from somewhere relating to Oklahoma City or someone relating
to the Houston Rockets, because they have all the picks.
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You know, the Heat aren't going to have any good
picks for the rest of and the Heat are not
You're not going to come up Bam out of Bio
or Jimmy Butler, and so I don't know what comes
back in return that could equal out to what other
teams could give you value wise, but it's definitely fascinating. Um,
it really is interesting that that here Kevin Durant is
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and he like he chased it. I mean, I understand
that people there's always going to be the well because
he joined the Warriors and they had won a title
one seventy three games back to back years that it
was by many people's asked me on its wheat move. Okay,
he chased it, like we've all. Everybody I know is
(15:03):
chase something. You know, you chase a girl, you know,
you chase your dream school, you chase the dream job.
Hell I can, I'll admit it. I chased my dream
job and it was not what I thought it was
gonna be in any way. And so I do kind
of relate to the Yeah, man, I thought I was
getting one thing and I'm not, and I'm sure Kevin
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Durant thought. And the top of the mountain feels different
than it did. But it's gonna be fascinating because you know,
before you heard his knee this year, he was maybe
not unquestionably, but he was the MVP a line and
if you go back to last year, at the end
of the year, he was unbelievable. In between, you had
the Olympics and you have all these great young players.
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The Olympics, Kevin Durant was the reason I won the
gold medal. It just he was unquestionably the best player
of that team. And so you're doctoring all those things
and we're looking at the lens of now. He may
be unhappy and he may continue to search for happiness.
As you say, Jason's very right, but that guy is
an amazing talent and he still seems to have several
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years left to play at that level. And whoever gets
and is suddenly going to be a championship caliberton Now
you said the heat and that's a great fit, and
certainly it is. Do you really think that's gonna happen?
The Nets are gonna say, okay, hey, here's one of
his preferred teams, and we're gonna send him there, and
we're gonna we're gonna make this other team in the
East that was close and potentially put them over the top.
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Are the Nets gonna, you know, be the Rockets and say, okay,
here's where you want to go. We can get a
decent deal. We're gonna do it. I have no idea
I just I don't. I don't know. Again, I don't
know what's being offered. I'll take shot Marks that face value,
because shot Marks seems to have been an honest salesman
in this thing. Right. He told us he wasn't talking
to KD. That should have told us that he was,
that that they were, that they were taking a breath
(16:55):
as that he They basically told us that they didn't
want Kyrie back, right, That's that's why he said what
he said and end of the year exit pres Scotfort's meeting,
right when he said, we needs to be available played
for others, all the things that Kyrie has rightfully been
accused of not being right. So if he says we're
gonna wait for the best offer, or what's the best offer,
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are the Lakers going to offer up Anthony Davis for him?
Are they Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook? How does that
bounce out with Tyler hero and a bunch of other
stuff from Miami? I don't know. So the only honest
answer I can tell you is I really don't know.
But I do know that you asked about is there
a place he could be happy? That type of environment
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where you have a championship caliber culture of guys that
are just about you know, ball and getting after it
and they need somebody to be their bailout guy, to
give the ball to to win him a game. That's
what he's That's I think what he desires. He needs
some space, you know, can't have clutter in the paint
he had with Russell Westbrook and Andre Robertson and those
(17:57):
type of guys. But outside of that, that's the type
of environment he needs. And I you know, the Clippers
could could be one if they were with the Ned's luck,
Paul George, how would that look. I mean, there's all
these different possibilities. But the heat style of guy, and
I hate to say heat culture, but it is. It's
kind of a heat culture. I think he fits that
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Dan and the Dan Netts today, and a day that's
just gonna get brighter and sunnier as we go on.
We're gonna get into a really big topic here that
we thought yesterday was going to wind up being about,
and it was for a while until Kevin Durant decided
to ask for a trade. But Doug, you know the
old saying, if you don't like the weather in Florida,
wait five minutes. You know, if you don't like what's
(19:46):
going on in college football, wait five minutes. USC and
UCLA are going to go to the Big Ten. There's
rumors that Notre Dame could follow, and another big reorganizing
of the conferences in college sports. And you know, I
know that Colin Coward referred to this a few months
ago when he said, hey, something big was coming usc
wise and and here we are, here's the PAC twelve.
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And now you know that the two biggest teams are
going to be heading out in a couple of years.
And I admit not a lot shocks me. But when
this headline hit yesterday, I sat back and said, oh
my goodness, they're gonna play in the Big Ten. They're
gonna fly three thousand miles to start playing football games
on a regular basis. It's but this is a titanic
(20:29):
land shift in college athletics. The it's the Big Ten
expansion initially obviously triggered all of this, and even more
so than the SEC expansion. You go back to the nineties,
the Big Ten expansion combined with the Big Ten network
and the money they were bringing in, and then of
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course it led to all the other stuff, including Missouri
and A and M leaving the SEC. Initially that began
it Ou and Texas. Obviously that's an even bigger but
now you have two schools that don't make any sort
of geographic sense, like none, Like you can sit here
(21:10):
and go like, you know, I don't love I don't
I don't like Oklahoma leaving their Brothers school obviously my
own modern Oklahoma State, but I mean, like, look, Arkansas
is in the league text all you know, Texas, Techa
and am like that. That makes some sort of geographic sense.
It's the southwest and Oklahoma all the way into the southeast,
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got it right, you know when they added Missouri, Missouri
is really more of a Big Ten school. But that's
all right. It's it's on the board the ACC you know,
having Notre Dame in basketball, and they have some schools
that don't. But it is the Atlantic Coast Conference, and
so many of those alums from so many of those
(21:52):
schools are from the Northeast. Anyway, it makes some sort
of sense. To have the two LA schools in the
Big Ten. Makes zero historic, zero geographic sense. It is
one hundred percent about the bottom line, about the amount
of money that they're going to make in the new
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Big Ten and everything we as we know it historically
in college football was destroyed. Yesterw like to think about,
like for years the one thing that we could count
on was the Rose Bowl, right, Pac ten champion and
the Big ten champion. Yes, that's over a hundred years
(22:37):
of history on New Year's Day and it was protected
through the BCS and now the College Ball playoff that
was destroyed yesterday. So there's a lot to talk about.
But I hope people understand this is different than everything
that has preceded it in terms of the change and frankly,
what I think is the destruction of the glorious history
of even college football, which is what this is about.
(23:00):
We'll talk about it more. We are because joining us
now on the hotline. He is the host of the
Petros and Money Show here on AM five seventy Sports
in LA, college football analyst for Fox Sports. He's on
Twitter at the Old p It's Petros Papadacus, who has
spent the last twenty four hours researching best hotels and
restaurants in Piscataway as he gets ready for USC and Rutgers. Petros,
(23:23):
what's happening, man? You guys can hear me? Yeah, you
sound great, amazing, Gosh, all right, what were you asking
me about Piscataway? I've done a Rutgers game before Oh okay.
Oh so if this is gonna be old had, you're
gonna be the guy telling every okay, this is what
we should do when we get here for the first time. Well,
Fox has that's a big part of this, guys. Fox
has the Big ten contract, right, and Fox has run
(23:46):
the Big ten network since its inception and since they
started printing money. So when ESPN made their move with
Texas and Oklahoma, this really does And everybody knows the
closeness between Fox executives and the Ten executives and USC
executives and Fox executives and all that, So this makes sense.
(24:11):
It feels like it is a kind of a TV coup,
so to speak. I thought that we'd just be out
from under the umbrella of the NCAA with some kind
of huge super conference before these kind of moves. But putress,
(24:31):
do you think this is good for the sport? Well,
I think USC had to do something. I think it's
about ten years late. They had to take their relevance
in their own hands, and they couldn't trust the new
TV deal because they spent the last decade listening to
Larry Scott talk about what a great TV deal they
had while Oregon State printed much less money than Mississippi State,
(24:55):
or cal printed a lot less money than Vanderbilt or Perdue,
and they watch for about a decade while all of
these people printed money, while they just kind of got
poor and less and less relevant. If anything, you would
say this move is too late. Now it's a geographical nightmare,
there's no doubt about that. But they don't care about that.
(25:17):
They don't care about that for the Olympic sports. They
care about the money. They care about making themselves relevant
again in the world of college football as it's changing.
And it's one of the few things that USC has
done in the last ten years that I agree with.
It's odd, but all the people that were saying, I
don't know, six seven years ago, like hey, USC should
(25:37):
join the SEC, Hey they should do this, they sound
like raving lunatics. And now it kind of makes sense
given the climate. Do you think we actually see this happen?
Do you think we actually these teams that are joining
these new conferences when we get this big seismic shift
or is there going to be something bigger before them?
Will there be some kind of agreement, whether it's two
(25:58):
or four super conferences that that sort of puts some
normalcy on this. Yeah, well we know there's no such
thing as normalcy anymore. Well, I mean for five minutes
until it changes again. Well yeah, I mean there'll be
seven years of this probably, and then we'll head I
mean that the NC Double A can't sustain this anymore,
and the NC double as doomed. The NC Double A
started to become doomed when ESPN and the SEC and
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a few other conglomerates came together to create the College
Football Playoff out from under the jurisdiction of the NC
Double A. So they don't have any power anymore, and
that's why they've let the NIL go. That's why they've
allowed all this conference shifting. That's why college football is
changing more rapidly than ever before. The NC Double A
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is losing their grip on the sport because the revenues
are just too big for them to control. So that's
what I thought that, like you said, that we'd be
headed more towards some kind of like premier league looking
thing or just like all the fifty teams that played
big time college football and then about wanting below them
kind of on the periphery. But that's not where we're
(27:03):
at right now. We're going to have this giant Big
ten for a while and a giant SEC for a
while before it happens. But I mean, Jason, we know
people that are still attached to the Southwest Conference right
that are saying suwee pig and I mean college and
I remember the people in Nebraska screaming and crying how
they don't get to play Colorado every year. College football
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is constantly changing, and one of the great things about
it is the argument we have about it, whether it's
the BCS or before the BCS with the bowl system
or the playoff. Now, I mean, we're always yelling about
something and that's kind of the nature of it. So
I'm not as upset with this change as I would
be saying in nineteen ninety nine if it happens. Okay,
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so the Petris, let me ask you this. I feel
like this saves the Big twelve, you know, like, because
the next big question is the Big twelve. They named
a new commissioner a couple of days ago, is what's
their next TV deal look like? And I mean, look,
you got Stanford and Cal out there, you got Arizona,
Arizona State granted They're not usc They're not, but there
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it's better than Houston in central Florida in terms of relevance,
and it also it helps the time zone problem of
the PAC ten, Pac twelve whatever defunct now is. Does
this those schools roll into the Big twelve and essentially
save the Big twelve as a major conference? You know,
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I don't know. I mean there's a lot of people
out there saying a lot of different things. Can the
Big twelve be a major conference without a Texas or
Oklahoma in it? I guess would be the major question,
Like the Pac twelve, can they be a major conference
without the Trojans and the Bruins. You know what I
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think is probably the Big twelve absorbs the Arizona schools,
like you said, maybe Colorado and Utah, and maybe they
become more like a Their TV deal will probably look
more like a Mountain West deal than it would one
of these bigger deals. And then the same thing will
happen with some of the West Coast teams that we've
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grown up with, and they will get absorbed probably or
maybe by the Mountain West or maybe that'll be called
the Pac twelve, and their TV deal will be more
reflective of because we don't know what's going to happen
with Oregon and Washington. I can totally see the Big
Ten swallowing them up as well. And then USC has
some travel partners a little bit and all the trips
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are not as awkward for the Trojans. And then there's
also the football side of it, Doug. I mean, let's
think about the actual football side of it, like Arizona
State going down to TCU. Okay, I mean we can
all kind of see that and feel that a lot
of Arizona State teams are from Texas and all that players.
And I mean, but USC and West Lafayette in late November,
(29:58):
you better change your office, you know. I Mean, there's
there's a lot there, and there's a reason Big Ten
teams are built the way they're built, and a lot
of them are built to play in late November in
that area when you really have to win games in
that part of the world. And what's going to happen
when UCLA has taken the field at Minnesota. I mean,
I don't care that there's a heat or under the field.
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I mean that's I mean when in the Pac Ten
in my day, all we had to worry about was
getting caught in Pullman in November, right, or maybe it
rained on you in Corvallis or Eugene, uh and or Seattle.
But this is a different logistical deal for them, just
as far as playing in that kind of way, it's
a different fib I think you can you can use
(30:42):
a football died yesterday. So I think it's a huge
boost for them. Yeah, I really do. I think it's
a huge boost for UCLA. So you think UCLA is
going to compete with the Big Ten as a team
that doesn't have an on campus stadium, sure, right? Like, well,
I think what number one on? I think that's one
of the attractive things for the Big Ten, right, I mean,
(31:03):
you're you live here. I mean even though you're down
there in Orange County, you still see the people in
the giant crewneck sweatshirts that say was Consent or Minnesota
or whoever the hell's PA? And the Rose Bowl. I listen,
I agree for the league, but it's gonna be like
the Chargers. They're gonna be playing road games at the
Rose Bowl. Now, the Rose Bowl probably be more full
than it's been. But I'm just in terms of being
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competitive in that league. How can UCLA be competitive in
the in the Big Ten? I don't see. Well. I
think they're they're I think they're in better just currently.
I mean this is a two year away thing, but
currently I think UCLA is in better shape to run
the ball and stop the run than USC is, at
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least on paper. I mean, UCLA has been dedicated to
that side of the ball, and every time UCLA has
played USC, I know s he's got a new coach,
but we haven't seen him play yet. And the knock
on him was also that he's too involved with the
skill positions and backs and they get beat up in
the trenches in Oklahoma. So, I mean UCLA put up
sixty three points on USC running the football last year
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and they have done the same thing to him over
the years. So I think Chip Kelly knows how to
run and stop the run. Now, is he's still going
to be the coach? What's it going to look like
in two years all of those things. Is UCLA going
to be the best team in the Big Ten? No?
But are they going to be inapt? I don't think so.
I don't. I don't see it in the same way.
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And also I think they both of these teams and
their brands were on the cosp of irrelevance. They could
not trust another, even though there's a new commissioner, and
even though all the bad stuff is supposed to be
behind him. What Larry Scott did and his TV deal
was so damaging that and USC was complicit, and so
as UCLA. They sat there and watched it happen for
(32:50):
ten years, but they got there on the brink of
losing all their relevance. So when when that happens, you
have to take something in your own hands and start
trying to make as much money as your peers are.
And that's what this move is. The host of the
Petros and Money Show on AM five seventy sports here
in Los Angeles, college football analyst for Fox on Twitter
(33:13):
at the old p Petro's Papadakis, Petro's thanks a bunch
of getting up so early with us on Bobby Benie
a day. We'll talk to you soon, man, My pleasure up. Sorry,
I couldn't get the you know, I'm like a monkey
with this thing. I guess I can't figure out my comrade. Yeah,
you're good, dude. Everything was great. There goes Petro's The
Dead Patrick Show, Jason Smith, Doug Gott lead in for
Dan the Dennets today, All right, real quick, Doug, Yes
(33:35):
or nope, because now this is gonna be the next
part of this topic. Not tre Dame. You have to
make a lot of money with their TV deal with NBC,
could potentially make a ton more with Fox and the
and the Big TV deal if it comes up. Does
not Tre Dame leave for the Big Ten? I mean
it just it's gonna depend on the bottom line. You know.
The Big Ten has always made more geographic sense. I
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think the ACCC has worked out for them really well,
not just financially, but also they can be kind of
a quasi member. We're in for everything. I don't think so.
I think they're good where they are. I think they're
able to be competitive in their other sports. But this
Big Ten number is reportedly one hundred million dollars total
(34:19):
per school per year. I don't know what Notre Dame
brought in last year, but I don't think it's anywhere
near one hundred, and so that becomes the question, you know,
if this, if they if other places can get them
to one hundred or above that, then they stay where
they are. Or they do their own thing. If not,
then they go where the where they're getting is good
(34:41):
in one hundred million dollars, some good getting. Jason Smith
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Well with Kevin Durant's trade request from the Brooklyn Nets
shaking the world up. Well, what's next now for Kyrie Irving,
who could also be leaving the Nets? According to many
reports in the last twenty four hours, Kyrie is lazy.
You're focused on getting to the Lakers and getting out
of Brooklyn. Dug his Kyrie get out. He doesn't have
a lot of trade value right now, but he seems
(36:08):
to want this Lakers thing to happen. Can you do
with James Harden and say, listen, I'm just not gonna
play or you're gonna get me to where I want
to go, and that's how I'm going to continue my career.
I don't think he can do that, you know. I
think that's one of the things Jay that we learned
(36:30):
about Kyrie earlier this week when he opted in because
the path to the Lakers was there, he just had
to opt out and take their bid level exception done deal.
Now it's a thirty million dollar hit combined with the
fact that he lost his Nike deal. But if money's
not important to you, money's not important to you. So
(36:50):
I guess a certain amount of money is not important
to you. I don't know, so I don't think. I
think he showed his cards earlier this week that he's
not willing to sacrifice that salary. He wants that money,
needs that that money. So no, he can't make it
happen to the Lakers. Could it still happen to go Lakers? Yeah,
(37:10):
I guess. I mean that means that Brooklyn would have
to accept a deal. What when the Lakers would have
to offer it up and the Brooklyn would have to
do a deal where it's Anthony Davis and Russell Westbrook
for Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. I think the Lakers
would do that. I don't believe the Nets would do that.
(37:33):
So the answer to your question is could it happen? Yeah,
A lot of things could happen. Will it happen? I
would bet again, I would bet against it. See, I
look at Kyrie and how it's going to come out
from one of two ways, and it's not with him
getting traded right now. Either he begins the season with
Brooklyn and as it goes on, the Nets look for
(37:55):
a trade and Kyrie is dealt sometime during the season,
maybe it's the beginning of the year because things go
awful and he is skipping games and he's sitting out
and it's a hardened rocket situation where Okay, it's very
untenable early and they wind up moving him because they
have to at that point. Either that or maybe they
could Brooklyn John Wallam and say Okay, this is bad
(38:17):
and things could get bad over the next couple of
weeks and months before the season and it's decided he's
gonna sit and not play until they can figure out
a deal for him. Is that something that could come up,
because I think the first one is more likely, But
I don't want to rule that out either. I don't
think he'll play another game for the Nets. I think
he'll be traded this offseason. Kyrie's not gonna shove U.
(38:40):
If Kevin Durant gets traded, Kyrie's not gonna shove him.
Goes like, no, no, I'm good. I'd like to play here.
I don't. I think all he did earlier this week,
I thought that they were getting them all, Hey, let's
let's try and run this thing and fix it and
have a because they haven't even had a training camp.
When they're all there, you know, first year, Kad wasn't
(39:02):
It was a different coach, but Katie wasn't healthy. The
second year, Katie and Kyrie were there, but they end
up trading for James Harden. You know, this year, James
Harden obviously wasn't physically right, and they didn't have Kyrie
at all until kind of mid season, right, say, They've
never actually been able to build a team. So that's
what I thought early in the week when he opted in.
(39:24):
I was wrong. This thing's over. It's just selling off
the pieces. And I think if you had John Wallam,
it just shows you what you're not going to get
much to return to get pennies out of the dollar.
So I think all options are open, and he wants
it to happen with LA. I just I don't know
how it happens with La unless KD locks arm in
(39:46):
arm with him and they try and try and make
the Lakers, you know, or to try and make the
Nets except to Russell Westbrook, and maybe they buy out Westbrook,
or they they John wall Westbrook if they get him.
But I don't. I don't think he ever plays a
game with the Nets again, and I don't think they
pay him to not play. That would be my guests,
(40:07):
because that's I mean, like that this is this is
a napalm the thing sort of moment yesterday when that
tweet went out from I think Sham's had it that
Kevin Durant want to be traded check please, I'm out.
And he didn't say I want to be traded with
Kyrie Irving. Yeah, they're gonna almost they're gonna have to
accept nothing for Kyrie. I mean they're they're gonna have
(40:30):
to understand that whatever deal we make, it's not going
to be something that's gonna help us restock the cupboard.
Like it is. All right, we're gonna trade Kevin Durant.
We're gonna get a lot forward, going to get some
kind of package that's gonna help us move forward and
build on whatever we have left over. I mean, it's
it's really just gonna be hey, uh what what what
can we get? And and and we're gonna wind up
(40:51):
moving on because I can't I can't see any team
that's going to give them anything where of of of
real value, where the nets are gonna move forward and
all right, this guy can be a piece for us.
I just it's gonna wind up being one of those
kinds of trades. Yes, I just again I think what
Sean Marks takes back in return are probably expiring contracts, right,
(41:14):
you know, trade exceptions, etc. But also culture guys. So
do I do I think they'll get a star back
in return? No, but I think they'll They'll be a
specific desire and it'll have to be a place that
he's he wants to go and he wants to show up.
You know, you can have to have him work with you.
But the Kyrie list before he opted in was like
(41:35):
six or seven teams deep. And I still think that
they'll get something back. I just they weren't open to
taking Russell Westbrook early in the week. I don't see
them being open to taking Russell of Westbrook. Now The
Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith and
Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the Dan Nettes. Doug
on Twitter at Gottlieb Show, I'm at how about a Fresca?
(41:58):
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