July 1, 2022 • 51 mins
On the Friday edition of The Best Of The Dan Patrick Show: With Doug and Jason filling in for Dan, they talk about the Kevin Durant requested trade from the Brooklyn Nets and how it got to this point.
Former NBA Player and college head coach Rex Walters joins Doug and Jason to talk about the Kevin Durant drama in Brooklyn, the major moves in the NBA thus far, and the other major headlines playing out in the NBA right now.
With Doug and Jason filling in for Dan, the guys talk about how much of a titanic land-shift the USC/UCLA move to the Big Ten is.
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Doug gottlie in for Dan and the danfs today, and Doug,
let me let me start off the day by wishing
you a very happy Bobby body and day. As you know,
let's listen. Every year on this day we look back,
take stock of our lives and I just get depressed.
So I am happy to be here with you today
on Bobby Bundi a day to talk about so many
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other things in the wide world. Of sports. Why do
you get depressed. I don't understand deferred payments and the
whole balance of you know, should I should I put
money away that'll pay me in twenty five years or
should I take it now? And and by the way,
the state of your your Mets today is outstanding. So
you know, if Bobby Bonia Day should bring you back
to the days of yore when Bobby Bonilla was a Met,
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which of course is kind of where we are with
the Mets today. I look at it a different present.
Change your perspective on it, Jason. The thing is, it's
been such a bad headline and such an embarrassing you know.
The thing is, it's an embarrassing optic more than anything.
And the body the Mets don't take any more embarrassing
up because you've been paying a guy that hasn't played
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for you in twenty years, and you're paying him for another,
you know, thirteen years. I mean, this goes through twenty
thirty five. It's hey, yeah, I mean last year Ryan
Reynolds put out the whole mint mobile campaign at a
commercial with Bobby Bonilla and I'm laughing, going, this is
this is my team. Every this has happened with so
many other teams, but the Bobby Beni a Day and
the contract in this because it was like the first
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time we had seen it, Like, yeah, this is just
it's just a way to laugh at the Mets every day,
every every like you needed a reason to laugh at
the Mets. But yes, this is a great year for
us so far. This could be as good as it gets.
So I'm ready for the bottom to fall at any time.
But yeah, but this is still one of those days
where I just go, yeah, here we go. People more
people call me today and my friends I haven't heard
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from in like months and just say happy Bobby Bani
a day than like any other day, Like more than
on my birthday. People text me and say hey, happy
Bobby Bani a day. So I get that today more
than anything. I think it's a great day for both Bania.
But I don't know. I just think it's a fascinating discussion.
It's the old you win the lottery, you take all
the money, or you take it surprise spread out over
twenty five years, you know. I mean Allen Iverson has
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one of these deals with Reebok. Right, There's a lot
of people that thought Nan Allen iverson bad shape. Like now,
actually he has this deferred payment thing with rebox from
me shoes, which you know he started making a couple
of years ago. So I actually think it's a really
interesting business discussion. And I don't think it's because for
the Mets, for these teams that it allowed them to
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save cash, put it away into escrow and cost them less,
you know, to keep their players. And I think deferred
compensation is really interesting. But I do get it. It
is by Bunia a Day and it does you know,
it's one of those what a great deal to be him,
and what a weird deal to be the Mets, especially
when you have a new Mets owner. Right, although I
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believe all of this money was it was putting escrow
back with the Wilpons. But still it's a really quirky day.
So I'll buy in Happy Bobby Bunny a Day day.
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate that we'll celebrate later on
with like Margarita's or something. Sure. Uh now, well, obviously
the bat and this doesn't this isn't the worst thing
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for me because I think, well, with everything going on
in the NBA, Bobby Bunia Day is going to pass
by a little bit under the Nope Nope. Still woke
up this morning with even though NBA, but we're still
reacting to the big news with Kevin Durant asking for
a trade from the Brooklyn Nets. Already, we've seen so
many different destinations thrown out there, Phoenix in Miami at
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the top of the list. Other teams are throwing their
names in the ring. Supposedly up to twenty teams have
called the Nets, going, hey, this is We're interested, what
can we do? And the Nets have said, We're going
to take the best deal out there. It's not going
to be simply we just trade him wherever he wants
to go. You know, I saw this yesterday, Dougan, and
as soon as this happened for me that my first
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thought was, he is just never going to be happy
basketball wherever he goes. He's just he's just one of
those guys that is never going for a variety of reasons,
but mainly because he listens so much to outside noise
and he can't ever find a situation where Okay, I'm here,
I love basketball and I'm playing and I really want
to win. He had everything in Oklahoma City to the
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point where when they had that really Benver, that bad
mister unreliable headline that in the Oklahoma City papers it was, oh,
mister unreliable, and the paper apologized to him for that
headline after there was a big backlash on it, and
Kevin Durant got really mad. And when that happens, you
have to say, oh, this is my town. I mean,
I just had the newspaper apologized to me for a
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headline that questioned my talent. No, wasn't good enough for him. There.
He goes to Golden State, where every basketball player is
gone there, says what a great system, what a great
environment this is with Steve Kerr, and he wins a
couple of titles, and he still is not happy enough.
Fights with Draymond. He goes to Brooklyn, where he decides,
this is where I want to build my next big
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empire here and Kyrie and I are going to do
this together. We're gonna run this team, and this is
the next thing what I want to do because I've
checked those boxes of winning a championship off of my
resume and he couldn't make it work there. So I
don't know what's going to suddenly make him happy. His
next stop in the NBA. Okay, there's there's a lot
to digest there. Um, I'm going to disagree with you.
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With Oklahoma City, he had everything he got in terms
of owning the town, right, I mean the guy agree
with you on the mister unreliable, But it was a
it was a team that didn't have what he needed
in order to be successful. By his or I think
anybody's estimation, right, they just remember he's when he his
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last series, when they had a three games that won
leading the Golden State Warriors. Um, you know Steven Adams
and Andre Robertson. You know you're playing three on two
or three on five on offense. And they added Victor
Oladipo that offseason. But he was just he was just
done with with that first. I think he liked the town.
I think he'd liked the team. I just think it
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was the personnel wasn't good. It wasn't good enough to
be honest, and then when you're in Golden State, I
don't think it was about being unhappy there. I think
it was even how you would portray it, which is
he he In Katie's mind, all I had to do
is get to the finals and matchup of le Bron
and show I was a better player. He did that,
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he played better than Lebron. He guarded Lebron. He made
more big plays in the second half against Lebron in
two consecutive NBA finals, and really in the third one,
although he only played limited before he toured security said
he used the difference maker, and yet he couldn't get
the respect that he thought he deserved as being the
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best player on the planet. The Brooklyn thing was a disaster.
But I don't think anybody like, should he be happy?
But like, let's just be honest. Jason, like, should should
he be happy? He went, he went there, and he
went there one. They had great culture that obviously has
been destroyed. I think partially by Kyrie. I think a
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little bit by KD. I think a lot by the
move for Harden and the fact that they went after
the brass ring. But I like, should you be happy?
I mean, go back, Like, let's be let's take an
honest look at the last two years. You know, you
go back last season, people forget they were dominating the
Bucks of two games and none. Kyrie gets hurt, not
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a shocker, James Harden, not himself because of a hamstring,
still got to Game seven, and if not for his
toe being on the line, they beat the Milwaukee Bucks
and go to the NBA Finals. But this season was
an object disaster. And yet do I think that he's
a guy who searches. He's still searching for himself and
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searching for a home. Yeah, but you know, whether it's
he shouldn't have left. You could say you shouldn't have
left Oklahoma City, but I mean, now do you start
to kind of understand why maybe he wanted to get
away from Russell Westbrook. He shouldn't have left Golden State
in order to be successful, but he still wasn't getting
any sort of respect that he deserved. So you know,
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I do get it on some most I don't. I
don't know why you signed a contract that has four
more years left. And now I said, you said you
want out. But the team not communicating with him. I
think they're ready for a fresh start too. I think
I'm not sure that him asking to be traded was
news that Sean Marks didn't want to hear or didn't
expect to hear, right, Like if you don't There was
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multiple times there where Sean Marks was asked about communicating
with Kevin Brant and he had not. Now it does
work both ways, but when you stop talking in any relationship,
the relationship ceased to exist. So I actually don't think
that the Nets are sitting there going like, oh man,
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we're upset. I think this is a fresh start for them,
and I think they're going to try and rebuild, get
back to where they were previously, and make smarter decision
because because before Kyrie and Katie went in, that was
a team that had arguably the best culture. I had
the most fun that Kenny Atkins is a coach like
five hundred, and they had Spencer, didn't he and Karis
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Lavert and some of those guys. But that group had
fun and the rest of the league took notice. I
think he wants to get back to that, and I
actually think that Katie's kind of doing him a favor
that this this felt, this felt Ikey, Here's how I'll relate. Okay,
your daughter played youth sports or whatever. I'll I'll give
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you kind of the au analogy right in a you
have a good team inevitably, and you your kids played
the right way, You're going to have really really talented
kids who play on some of these big clubs that
they just dominate you, but they'll want to play on
your team because they feel like, well, the kids will
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all give him the ball and the play a little
bit of the system, and they'll be the star. And
what ends up happening is you take a couple of
those kids and now you're winning the tournaments and you're
you're you're competing on a bigger stage, but it's not
the core group of kids that you actually cared about
and put together the team for. And so that's what
I think it is happening here in Brooklyn. Like it
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just didn't feel good ever once you had Carrie and KD.
And then you bring in James Harden and like, these
guys aren't what they want to be about. And I
think that's what Brooklyn wants to get back to. Well,
that part I'm with you on because you just look
at the nets first reaction. Normally, if if a player
of Kd's ilk you're talking about a you know, a
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top five, top three player says they want to be traded,
what's the team's first reaction? As always, well, hang on,
we're going to talk through this. This is this is
you know, we're not just going to give him away.
We have to talk. We love Kevin, we want him
to stay. We want him to be able to stay
here and help us grow the nets. As a reason
why we signed him, we still believe in him, we
believe in everything we have going on. And instead, right
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away it was yeah, yeah, we're gonna take the best deal.
I mean there was there was no no pretending of yeah, listen, no,
we got to make it work. We got this is
Kevin Durant we're talking about, man, No, this is We're
gonna let him go. And I think that's a big
that's a big sign for the rest of the NBA
to go all right. They're they're in on him with
all of it. They went all in and now they're
so ready to let him go. And when when I
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see where he's gonna go next. And you talked about how, hey,
Brooklyn wasn't really the right fit. It didn't work. He
had a great fit in Golden State, in Oklahoma City,
he wanted to get away from Russ. He's had all
these different times that he's had different experiences. Okay, maybe
the Oklahoma City one wasn't great. Towards the end, he
had to get Away. Maybe it wasn't as great in
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Golden States. He didn't get their respect, even though he's
got two NBA Finals MVPs, and then he wanted to
have the power of running the nets with k D
and Joe Sigh and Marx. But he's had all of
these things to experience and none of them have really
made him happy. So I don't know where like his
next stop is suddenly going to be okay. Now I'm
here and I'm I'm back to winning, and I'm throwing
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myself back into things, and it's going to be different
than it was before, just because he's had all these
different things to experience, to try to find himself, to
try to find right. This is the guy I want
to be, This is the player I want to be.
And whatever wherever he ends up, whether it's Miami, whether
it's Phoenix or someplace else or Denver, whatever, I don't
see it being any different than it's been for him
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for his career. Where he'll get there and he'll be
okay in the beginning, and then after a while it's
not going to be as great. And as you go
on in your career in sports, when stars do this,
you have less time to suffer in certain times. So
he was at Oklahoma City for a long time and
then now he had to go. All right, then he
had half half the time in Golden State. Okay, I
gotta go. Now he's had even less of a time
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than Brooklyn. All Right, I gotta go. I kind of
see that being his career path now as it goes on.
I think he's been in Brooklyn four years. He was
in Golden State three and then I thought, right, because
he missed an entire year with injury right as he
been or is it three years in Brooklyn. He's three
years in Brooklyn, and yeah, he missed. He missed the
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whole entire first year. So it is interesting. I think
that Miami is the fit because if you know Kevin Durant,
he's or you take what everybody says about him, and
he's just about ball and that's what they're kind of
heat culture is about. And they need him. They need
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a cheat code on offense. They need a guy to
bail them out. And if they had the ideas, If
they have that, the problem becomes, if the Nets really
want the best deal, the best deal would come from
somewhere relating to Oklahoma, City or someone relating to the
Houston Rockets because they have all the picks. You know,
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the Heat aren't going to have any good picks for
the rest and the Heat are not. You're not gonna
come up Bam out of Bio or Jimmy Butler. And
so I don't know what comes back in return that
could equal out to what other teams could give you
value wise, but it's definitely fascinating. It really is interesting
that that here Kevin Dury it is and he like
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he chased it. I mean I understand that people there's
always going to be the well because he joined the
Warriors and they had won a title one seventy three
games back to back years, um that that it was
by many people's asked me, honest, weak move. Okay, he
chased it like we've all everybody's I know, is chase something.
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You know, you chase a girl, you know, you chase
your dream school, you chase the dream job. Hell I can,
I'll admit it. I chased my my dream job and
it was not what I thought it was going to
be in any way. And so I do kind of
relate to the Yeah, I mean I thought I was
getting one thing and I'm not and I'm sure Kevin
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Durant thought the top of the mountain feels different than
it did. But it's gonna be fascinated because you know,
before he heard his knee this year, he was maybe
not unquestionably, but he was the MVP a line and
if you go back to last year, at the end
of the year, he was unbelievable. In between, you had
the Olympics and you have all these great young players.
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The Olympics, Kevin Rant was the reason they won the
gold medal. They just hes unquestionably the best player in
that team. And so you're doctoring all those things and
we're looking at the lids of now he may be unhappy,
and he may continue to search for happiness. As you say,
Jason's very right, but that guy is an amazing talent
and he still seems to have several years left to
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play at that level. And whoever gets and is suddenly
going to be a championship caliber team. Now you said
the heat and that's a great fit, and certainly it is.
Do you really think that's gonna happen? The nets are
gonna say, Okay, hey, here's one of his preferred teams
and we're gonna send him there, and we're gonna we're
gonna make this other team in the East that was
close and potentially put them over the top. Are the
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Nets gonna, you know, be the Rockets and say, Okay,
here's where you want to go. We can get a
decent deal. We're gonna do it. I have no idea.
I just I don't. I don't know again, I don't
know what's being offered. I'll take shot Marks that face value,
because shot Marks seems to have been an honest salesman
in this thing. Right, he told us he wasn't talking
to kd. That should have told us that he was,
that they were, that they were taking a breath as
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that he They basically told us that they didn't want
Kyrie back, Right, That's that's why he said what he
said at the end of the year exit Press Scotfort's meeting,
right when he said when he needs to be available,
played for others, all the things that Kyrie has rightfully
been accused of not being right. So if he says
we're gonna wait for the best offer, what's the best offer.
Are the Lakers gonna offer up Anthony Davis for him?
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Are they Anthony Davis and Russell Westford. How does that
bounce out with Tyler Hero and a bunch of other
stuff from Miami. I don't know, So the only honest
answer I can tell you is I really don't know.
But I do know that you asked about, is there
a place he could be happy? That type of environment
where you have a championship caliber culture of guys that
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are just about you know, ball and getting after it,
and they need somebody to be their bailout guy, to
give the ball to to win him a game. That's
what he That's that's I think what he desires. He
needs some space, you know, can't have clutter in the
paint like he had with Russell Westbrook and Andre Robertson
and those type of guys. But outside of that, that's
the type of environment he needs. Um and I you know,
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the Clippers could be could be one if they were
with the nets on Paul George. How would that look.
I mean, there's all these different possibilities, but the heat
style of guy, and I hate to say heat culture,
but it is kind of a heat culture. I think
he fits that better than better than other places. Be
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Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith, Doug Gottlieb
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in for Dan and the Dan Netts. As Bobby Benia
liked to say in an exclusive interview he did with
Action Sports, it's bigger than my birthday. And you know, Doug,
you asked me last hour on the show, you know,
as a Mets fan, I told you how embarrassing. It's
a really difficult optic, even though it was a sound
business decision to defer payments to Bobby Benia, who's going
to be getting one point one million dollars on this
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day every year until twenty thirty five. Darren Ravelle has
a story on this with new information that we have
never found out before because he sit down with Bobby
Benia and Benia said that the Mets actually tried to
get him to retire, and when they couldn't get him
to retire, they worked on this agreement and Bobby Benia
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Day was born. So this is what I mean when
I say the optic from my team on. This is
just terrible that they first they tried to convince him
to retire because look, we don't want to pay you,
we don't think you're very good. Oh and instead, all right,
we're just gonna give you a million dollars a year
for the next thirty five years. This is what I
mean about the optics surrounding the Mets. Yeah, but I mean, like,
tell me a team that I'm like, I'm an Angel fan.
You think the optics with Albert Poolhole Steel, you know,
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was it was a good one where you know, they
they bought him out of the last year of his
disastrous contract, and then he goes and plays with the
Dodgers and now he's back playing with the Saint Louis Cardinals.
He's he's still getting paid, I believe to be at
the end of his career to be a representative of
the Angels. Like in the he's not an Angel anymore.
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It's all these contracts exist and deferred payments. I think
it's only a bigger thing because it's the Mets. And
I'll beat completely honestly, because we have more Mets fans
that are broadcasters. It's it's the same thing. The Mets
have actually been a good team, They've been in a
World Series. There's so many other organizations that are so
much more poorly run. The problem is that one of
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the Mets. And you have a good number of people
who are sportscasters, broadcasters talking that are Mets fans. And
then of course they're in the same city with the
most successful baseball franchise ever, you know, So you have
those two things which make this Mitch, make all Mets
stories bigger stories than they actually are. Well, yeah, and
it's all it's always the group of teams in every
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sport that it's easy to point fingers and go, see,
they're always a laughing stock, right whether whether and most
of them are my teams, because it's you know, it's
the Knicks, it's the Jets, you know, but it's the Lions,
it's the Raiders, it's the Browns, it's certain teams that just, yeah,
these headlines follow them and they're always more embarrassing and
worse for them than they are. If this happened to
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the Patriots, right, if the Patriots had a free agent
signing that didn't work, and you know, Bill Belichick agreed
to pay a guy until twenty thirty, it would be well, hey, no, no,
this was this was a smart business decision. This is
just a deal that didn't go a boy, what a
great trend setting for the future. Bill Belichick has thought of.
It's all in the presentation of it, and some teams
that's how it goes for them. The team like the Mets, it's, ah,
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let's jump up and down on them. But other teams
it would be, you know, smart business decisions. So it's
just a perspective that the teams have that that really
hurt them in that situation. There's there's there's there's no
no question about it. Can I can I ask you something?
This is interesting to me? Okay? Um. It feels like
with this being the first full day of NBA free
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agency and Kevin Durant asking to be treated yesterday, it
feels like that should be the biggest story. But the
USC UCLA thing has so many different layers to it
and is so massive in the landscape of all college
sports that I feel like maybe today it's equal footing
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with KD or maybe even lesser foot in the kiddie
but a historically bigger story if you were seating them
in a tournament, which one would you say is bigger today,
I would say it would be USC UCLA, right because
we had that. We had the jarring headline yesterday and
it was jarring, but it was only jarring for a
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few hours because then NBA free agency Kevin Durant opts out.
And this is a year for free agency where you
know Lebron wasn't moving somewhere. You know, you still had
big names out there. But you know, when when when
the biggest thing going into free agency is Jalen Brunson
going to the Knicks, it's all right, Maybe this year
is not quite the same. So we had the blockbuster
of Durant, but we didn't have a resolution and we
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don't know where he's going and it's going to play out.
But now the day after, people are starting to see
this USC UCLA and they're gonna say, Wow, this is
USC leaving these this is these are the rock stars
of college football that are leaving. Because even though USC
hasn't had the footprint the last few years that they
had in the early aughts, I mean, they were easily
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the biggest rock star program and still are now we're
expecting to be it again with Lincoln Riley and all
the recruits that are following him, and and and the
fact that these are the teams that are leaving is
a much bigger deal because the you know, this would
be Alabama leaving. You know, Alabama's leaving the SEC for
the Big ten. Why is Alabama leaving? That's the impact
USC has and UCLA being part of it is great,
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But you're talking about an entire market leaving. You you're
the the ramifications of what it means for the teams
and the travel and are other teams going to follow?
There is a huge domino effect for this, And I
guarantee you this weekend, like when when you and I
are out and we're hanging out with our friends and
we're talking about it, we'll talk about Kevin Durant for
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a few minutes because obviously, why Kadie, where do you
think he's gonna go? And but when it comes to boy,
this US UCLA thing, and that's more of the conversation,
and that's something that you know, twenty twenty five minutes
you can see going by talking with your friends about it.
Where kad You'll be like a five minute conversation, then
a bigger one when he signs and you see where
he goes and how that affects the NBA. But right
now that this thing has so many tentacles and angles
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to it that it's it's just starting to become and
people are just starting to get the the the the
intricacies of this and how big a deal this is. Well,
I'm gonna disagree with you in terms of my weekend.
I'm gonna be in a in a gym coaching. So
in basketball, I think the KD and where will he
go in the kyrie? And you know, would you bite
the apple and bring in a kyrie? And you know,
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should Lebron get rid of Anthony Davis? I think that's
I think that's a better with the guys topic. But
I think the USC UCLA thing is massive because of
not just that what happens next? How does this affect recruiting?
Because because here's generally kind of the way works. You
mentioned that it's a it's a titan, and that's the
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only reason they have value is they're a titan, right
that they can It's the Texas the schools at rate
rate regardless of Notre Dame rates, Texas rates, USC rates,
Alabama rates, Oklahoma rates. You know Clemson rates like those
are the ones at Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State. Those
are the ones that people care about. Those are the
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ones with value, and forever they've had their value tied
up with a conference. And there's a couple of schools
Texas in USC specifically that are bigger than the rest
of their conferences combined. And now they flex their muscles
and they've used that strength and now they're in a
conference of of like sized, like you know, a backing
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school if you will. But you know, what is it.
It's going to be interesting. You know, the SEC has
recruited Southern California very well. This opens up Southern California
recruiting to the big ten. It just does because now
you can say, hey, you come here, we have you know,
we're a better school, better facilities, completely invested, and we're
going to play in la I think it now. Does
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that mean that the UCLA and USC can they go
and recruit the Midwest and say, you know, not only
do you get to get out of the cold and
play in the sunshine, but we were going to bring
you home every year to play as well. I think
that does work kind of both ways. And you know,
the recruiting aspect of it is fascinating to me. But
then it's what's next, or then it's what happens is
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the Stanford and Cal right, Like, I think the LA
market is huge in USC's bigger, and I know that
you know Stanford students and they don't fill up their
stadium whatever, But that's an incredible school with remarkable alumni,
and it's in the conversation of the best all around
sports programs on Earth in terms of the Olympic sports.
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And then you have Cal, the number one public school
in the in the country, you know, in terms of
ratings of public universities and a arrival and in the
same system a U SEE system as U se LA,
Like how does that all work? Like that that I
don't know? That whole thing is interesting to me. How
does it interfect recruiting? What do the conferences look like?
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You mentioned to Notre Dame, and then there's there's Oregon,
there's Washington, and then the last part too it is
and this was the threat. I don't I think you
had left ESPN when when the first Big twelve, first
Big ten expansion happened. But there's always the threat of
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Congress saying, hey, that tax shelter you got for college athletics,
this is this is a paid enterprise. You're making money,
You're spending money to buy kids like this. You're gonna
have to if that happens now the sport changes completely,
and uh, you know, and I don't know what happens
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to so many of these athletic departments. You know, if
your Oregon state or your Washington state and you get
left behind and you're not in one of these major
conferences and you're not getting money from your state for
your for your sports anymore, like your whole university changes
changes and at some point this could you know, whether
it's privatized college athletics. And everybody thinks they want that.
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It's like people thinking they want college athletes to be employees.
You don't want them to be employees because employees can
be hired, they can also be fired. You know, they
employees will have to pay taxes on all benefits. Those
things don't occur right now. They get all the benefits
of employees with really very little of the downside. So
I'm interested in how in all of it because it
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is a bit of a house of cards, and I
think I think this se UCLA thing may have pulled
out the bottom. I don't know what happens to the NCAA,
but I think this is a titanic land shift that
here's the most impressive thing. There were no rumors of it, right,
no rumors of it. It came out. It was done
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that night. That's how deals get done, right, because once
there's the hemming and the hawing, that's when people go,
wait a second, this school, it's not fair. There were
no rumors, no leaks. They got it done, just like
Texas and Oklahoma. And now of a sudden, that Big
ten deal is going up exponentially, and I wonder what's next.
So I'm going to disagree. I think this weekend people
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are still talking about ball and what happens with all
these all this different move in the NBA. But long term,
the ramifications of UCLA and USC being in the Big
ten are massive. Jason Smith Doug Gottlieb here on the
Dan Patrick Show. Well, I'll take you to what's next,
which is which is where things get even more out
of control, because look, college football is about chaos, and
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I love the chaos and how things change, and there's
no real leadership and everybody's kind of just doing what's
best for them. And we talked about this with Petros
Papadakas last hour that hey, this is a money move
clearly for USC UCLA, and everybody can cut this up
and and you can be upset about the travel, but
this is about money and what they're making the model
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of college football with NIL deals and trans reportal Right,
now it's unsustainable, right, the NIL is completely going to
get out of control. It's already spiral out of control.
I like to think that maybe some of the powers
that be understood the Okay, our conferences, this may not
be great for half of our teams because they can
compete and it's going to be difficult and we may
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have to do something here for it. And then this
move happens and it's gonna be well if they can
go and just basically, uh, you know, the inject cash
into the school and into their program, Well, why should
we figure anything else out for NIL? Yeah? You know what,
doors open and it's going to get even more out
of control as this gets into orbits. So I don't
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know that this did anything for that than just hey,
maybe we were going to slow down a little bit
and we were gonna pull the emergency break and say, okay,
let's let's let's realize what this model of college football
and how sustainable it is, and I don't believe it
is at all. And then this story happens, yes, and
it's okay, Well, now now that can happen. Now more
NIL deals are are gonna go off, and the rich
are going to continue to get richer, and there's going
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to be more money coming in, and Notre Dame is
going to realize we have to join a conference because
of all this money coming in and everything we thought
we were gonna get. There's gonna be no reset because
that's normally what happens is that when a story gets
this out of control, there's some kind of rest. All right,
well this is going to happen, right, Salaries got out
of control in the NFL for draft picks who had
never played a down before. So Sam Bradford was the
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last number one pick who got paid like a guy
who's hitting free agency at the age of twenty six.
He's a superstar. So the NFL pool the emergency break there,
it said, okay, we need to get back to this
a little bit. I don't see there being any emergency
break in college football after this story yesterday, Well, I
think that you're I think you're combining kind of two
different things I and I understand it is kind of
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one story in one sport. Look generally, what most of
this is is a breakaway from I don't even want
to say that. Everybody says the NCAA, But the NCAA
is all it is is a voting body of all
the schools, right and the and and people can say, hey,
the college Football Playoff was the breakoff, and like it
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wasn't the BCS wasn't that wasn't the NCAA. The Bulls
system has them in the nca the nca has them
been involved in postseason. The high major Division one college
football in in our lifetime hasn't been involved in it.
It's always been operated by outside operators and by the
by the power brokers that be. That that's a that's
a fact, that it's not something I'm making up or
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that's not breaking information. What's what changed was they allowed
so many other schools to have Division one status, not
just in football but obviously in basketball. It's over three
hundred fifty schools now and then everyone has the same
voting rights, right, So it's like instead of being like Congress,
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instead of being like the House, they're like the Senate
all right, where everybody gets the same number of votes
per state, and they they needed to be more like
like the House, where you know, the Texas is the
Ohio states of the world they get they just get more,
more votes, more saying how things are done, because what's
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what's good for you know a what's I mean even
in the big what's good for Mountain West schools, it's
not good for USC, what's good for Max Schools is
not good for Ohio State, et cetera, et cetera. But
that's not how it's how it's seen and how it's
perceived by these presidents, athletic directors and boosters. So I
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think ultimately there will be the breakoff. And that's what
this is of whatever the elite are, and everybody's just
trying to make sure they have a spot, right, they
got a chair when the music stops playing. That's the
big thing. I think this really helps the Big twelve.
You know, if the Big twelve can smartly add more
pieces and somehow like is it the Big ten? Is
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it the SEC? No? I would tell you that the
Big twelve, the meat of the Big twelve, you know,
especially if they add a Colorado, the Utah and Arizona
and Arizona State and maybe, you know, maybe you'll shoot
for the stars and get try and get the whole
West or whatever that would be as good or better
than the meat of the ACC. Right, You're not going
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to compete with Florida State in terms of their history
when they're right, or Miami and their history when they're right,
or Clemson and what they've been able to put together.
But the but you know, Oklahoma State and uh Utah
and Colorado, they're they're better and and and better and
financially supported programs for football, and they resonate more than
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Duke than Wake Forest, you know, even then kind of
Virginio whatever, which is kind of us you know, Stanford
Light if you will, in football. So this is all
about the breakaway and who's who's with the big boys
and who's with the also rans. And I think I
think what's next and where who ends up not having
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a chair when the music stops is going to be sad,
but it's going to be very telling for what their
future looks like in the future of the sport looks like.
Jason Smith and Doug gottlie Been for Dan Patrick. Today
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and the seismic shift thanks to UCI n USC coming up,
but straight ahead got a special guest stopping by to
breakdown what we have seen so far an NBA free agency.
Where could Kevin Durant wind up? Where could Kyrie Irving
wind up? We're going to see another big trade requests
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Doug Gottlieb in for Dan and the Dan s Today
is NBA Free Agency Enters Day too. We had big signings.
We had big stories, with Kevin Durant telling the Nets
he wants a trade away already. The Suns and Heat
have become the preferred destinations for him. Joining us now
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in the hot line to help us break it all down.
NBA analyst's former NBA player and coach, college head coach
Rex Walters, Rex, what's happening man? How are you? I'm good?
How are you doing? Jason doug what's up well? Kevin
Durant wants to be traded? What's your reaction? Surprise a
little bit, especially after Kyrie signed the extension for one year,
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saying all that, obviously Brooklyn is not thinking about having
Kyrie long term. There's some serious damage going off in
terms of that relationship because of all the stuff that's
gone on these past two years. So I think Kevin
looked at it and said, hey, I got four years
on the contract, but this is not what I signed
up for. I think it's and that roster, you know,
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quite honestly, as much shooting this as they have. They
don't have size and I have length that are not
great defensively. And I think the other thing that people
forget is Kevin Durant knows what it's supposed to look like.
He's been in Golden State for four years. They went
to really four finals, they won twice. Like, um, he
knows what it's supposed to look like, and he's looking
at Brooklyn saying, this is not what it's supposed to
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look like. So I need out is he going to
be able to get his way because this is not
a great situation with the Nets. Right away, the Nets
didn't say we want to keep KDE. We want to
be able to try to figure out away from it.
Take the floor for us, it's we're going to make
the best trade possible. Is he going to get to
a team that he wants to get to? If if,
in fact, like the Suns and the Heat at the
top of his trade destination list, that'll be tough. I
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think you know, at the end of the day, Brooklyn
has a has a leverage in this in terms of
they have to get something back and you're talking about
a top one one a one B player in the NBA.
And also the contracts have to work. So that's a
that's a big price to pay to give someone like
Kevin Durant up. You've got to make sure you're getting
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all these things back. I mean, Sean Marks right now,
is this thing. I respect the fact that they went forward.
They went forward with KD Kyrie James Harden. Then after that,
you know we talked about um, you know, Ben Simmons,
and now it's all kind of blown up. So now
Sean Marks is like, ok Now, I'm in, like, we
got to make something out of this mode. They've given
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up a lot to be in this situation and now
it's all blown up. So there are teams out there.
I mean, I hate to say this, but you look
at the Lakers. They've got two guys that are very
similar in terms of salary, in terms of Anthony Davis availability,
and that's the Lakers, right, You've got two guys with
two big contracts. That's the Kyrie and Kevin Durant have.
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I think if you if you talk about Miami, I
don't know if they have necessarily assets that Brooklyn wants,
especially with the situation with Bam Auto Bio and Ben
Simmons being on you know, still their first contracts. It'll
be interesting. And then you've got to get DeAndre Aiden
to sign off on the side and trade to go
to Brooklyn. And then Deandre's got to be asking some
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up what am I walking myself into going to Brooklyn.
So there's a lot of work to be done. It'll
be interesting to see how this all plays out. If
you're Lebron James. Yeah, let's just imaginary scenario and you
can either roll with Anthony Davis or roll with Kevin Durant.
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What do you do? Oh, it's not even close. I'm
rolling with Kevin Durant. He's seen firsthand what Kevin Durant
can do. That that whole thing when you talk about
those great you know finals with Golden State and Cleveland,
it became a non factor. When Kevin Durant joined the Warriors,
it was a no brainer. The other thing is Kevin Durant,
even though he's had some issues with injuries like this,
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dude loves to play, loves to work. Everything I've ever
heard about Durant is he loves to play, loves to compete,
wants to win, wants to have his own type of
legas see in terms of and I don't think he
thinks long term like this that, but he loves the ball.
That's what he's all about. Whereas Anthony Davis has had
his issues with injuries. So yeah, there's no question, and
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you're talking about switching light size, they're both going to
play the three four. You get a guy like Kyrie
as well, who knows how to play with Lebron. That
would be really interesting when you talk about, you know,
the Warriors dynasty. Now the Lakers are right back in
the mix in terms of and you can have, you know,
and they're going after size and length in terms of
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defensive minded guys with minimum contracts or lower salary guys.
But with those three and if they're all available, that
becomes really scary, you know. It's it's interesting you mentioned
how much he loves the ball. Remember the Anthony Davis
story came out that he hadn't touched a basketball in
two months. Like Kevin Rants a guy. Now he's had
injury issues as well, but Kevin Rants a guy who
probably hasn't gone two days without touching the basketball and
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not two months. Rex. That's that's sort of it's crazy
about das well. And when you talk about, you know,
this is a guy that over the course of crewer,
he's played over eighty games three times, He's played over
seventy games multiple multiple times, like Anthony Davis, that that
just hasn't happened, you know. And so you talk about
for Kevin, he's got to be excited to go to
a major media outlet. He's got a chance to you know,
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kill some some ghosts in terms of the Warriors, you know,
and what they've been able to do is to have
those two teams on the West Coast battling and out
would be phenomenal. But yes, I think that Lebron would know, Hey,
this is someone that I have the utmost amount of respect.
And you've got really the two best players probably over
the last ten years on the same row. And that's
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what the Lakers have always been. They've been about great,
great players, right that are available to play to win championships.
So wreck do you think that that Kyrie finds his
way to the Lakers And and this is this is
We're going into the season and Kyrie and Lebron are
trying to wreck it in the Western Conference. I think
that that's everything that I've heard and read is saying
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that Kyrie that's Kyrie wants to do. I think the
other thing too, is, you know, Kyrie's got a reputation now,
and I love Kyrie. I love to watch him play.
As a coach, it was hard to coach against him
and the game plan, but he does have a reputation,
right so Cleveland left it on a sour note, Boston
left it on a sour note, and then Hobbly Brooklyn
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that's been a sour note. So you know, with a
guy like Kadi and Lebron, I think that the Lakers say, hey,
we can we can actually not manage Kyrie, but but
they'll have guys that can help hold him accountable and
bring out the greatness that he we all know he
has inside of him. Rex Um, I'm intrigued by brad Beale. Okay,
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does he go back to Washington? Does he try and
get to a team, get to a franchise where he
feels like he can legitimately compete? What do you think
Brad Beal does? Well? I think that the new thing
nowadays is number one. Gets your money. That's the number
one thing. Get your money, make sure it's guaranteed, and
then hey, okay, now what are you gonna do to
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allow us to be a real contender? Right? And I
think bradleybial is a and again another guy. As I
coached in the NBA and as I get game plans
and watch players are like, this dude is special. But
is he an elite? Elite you're talking about the kdes
Lebron's those type of guys. He's not that, but he's
a second tier so you're gonna need another two or
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three guys like that. Is porzingis that type of guy?
The question is still really out on that one. And
then who else can they add to that roster right
to really take them to another level in a great
Eastern Conference because they're gonna need great players around him.
He needs at least two other guys that are close
to his level for them to have a chance to
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be really competitive in the Eastern Conference. And if that
doesn't happen, I can see him saying, Hey, this time
for me to move on. You know, he'll do the
same thing that a lot of players are doing. That's
the new thing now. It's like the NBA transfer port.
They say, Hey, I'm ready to move on. Here's my
list of teams that I want to go to. Let's
makes it work. Rex. What we've seen so far, you know,
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we're into day two of free inc We've seen some
players signed. What's the move you've liked the most so far?
And if you say Jalen Bruns into the Knicks, I'm
okay with that. As a Knicks fan, So if that's
your answer, I'm fine with it. But what even like
so far, Wow, it's been kind of crazy, to be
honest with you, that the money that has been out there.
When you think about Yoki, She's gonna make fifty million
dollars a year when it gets to that extension, and
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guess what he might be worth it? Like if you're
gonna if I'm gonna throw big money Devin Booker, I'd
I'd be interested to see what happens when Chris Paul
leaves Phoenix, Right, Is Devin Booker going to have the
same type of impact because he's a great, great player. Again,
I've been more intrigued with some of the signings of players.
I'm like, how did he get that type of money?
And God bless him? Like I'm all for players making
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their money, but you look at Oklahoma City and lou
Dort is a tough, physical guard, he's not a great shooter.
To give that guy over eighty million, I was like
scratching my head a little bit. So you know, I'm
not answering your question, but I'm more intrigued by some
of those moves where guys are getting crazy money and
they haven't proven that they could win and really, you know,
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be an efficient, effective player in the NBA on both
sides of the ball. Yeah, But Rex, I think part
of it is when we struggle with this is the
scale changes, Right, Like lu doort eighty million dollars jumps
out at you. But then you go like, did you
see what the back end of Yokich and Carl Anthony
Towns deal plays? Did you guys see this their final
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year of their supermax deal they just agreed to yesterday
is sixty sixty two point one million dollars for one season,
and so like, I mean, obviously there's inflation, but with
all the money, like we just have to look what
happens is we look at we're like, I can't believe
that guy's making fifteen now, like yeah, but the best
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players are making sixty, so fifteen kind of fits. It's
just it's really hard for us to wrap our heads
around when the numbers. When the numbers jump like this,
but then you kind of relate it to like did
you ever think you're gonna be paying six dollars a
gallon for gas? Right? I mean, every everything has everything
has jumped, But I saw that that Town's deal and
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the Yo Kich deal, and Yo Kich is an MVP's
a great player, but sixty two million dollars is unbelievable. Yeah,
it is. It's really interesting. And then you got to
look at your roster construction and how are you going
to be able to put players around players like Cat.
You know, Ant's gonna come up for you soon and
he's gonna be asking for crazy money. And then you've
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got you know, what are they gonna do with Delo
D'Angelo Russell. He's making a good amount of change, And
then can you put the right pieces around in a
smaller market like Minnesota? And I root for Minnesota. My
daughter's a video associate with the Timberwolves, so I root
for them. And then you know they've got new ownership
that that's kind of transitioning in. They've got a new GM.
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That is again you're in the Western Conference, and you know,
every job is difficult, and Finch has done a great job. Again,
you've got to put together a roster that allows you
to compete at the highest level. And when a guy
is making sixty million, it makes it difficult. But this
is an elite three point shooting four or five in
Cat and now you want to see the winning go
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along with it. So hopefully that happens to I output
for my daughter because then she's employed. But also you're
hoping for that franchise because you've got to put good pieces,
defensive minded guys that are skilled, that can shoot the
basketball around tet and those guys aren't going to be
coming cheap with the money coming in A man who'll
be using his daughter's influence to come out of retirement
and play for the Timberwolves this year for fifteen million
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a year. Rex Walters, Rex has always buddy, appreciate it, man,
Thanks so much for making time for us. Appreciate you guys.
Have me have a good one. You got it, Dougy,
you're gonna come out of retirement and play right for
sixty million dollars. No, no, no, you're not gonna get
sixty You'll get fifteen million. I mean, come on, you're
not gonna get You're not gonna get Yokachy, you'll get
fifteen million. I would pay for I would I would
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play in that league for five hundred dollars that that
would be fine. Just always always wanted my name on
the back of one of those one of those jerseys.
But no, it's it's really interesting, like we're you know,
I remember what Kevin Garnett was, the first one hundred
million dollars contract, And I just wonder how many years
away we are from the first one hundred million dollars
per year athlete. Right, we're creeping closer. We got to
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fifty in football, now we're gonna get We're a couple
of years away, obviously from sixty in basketball. How many
years away are we from somebody getting one hundred million
dollars for one year of their of their sport. If
I told you twenty thirty, would you take the over
or the under? By twenty thirty, someone's going to be
getting one hundred million dollars a year, either in the
NFL or the NBA. I mean probably not in Major
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League Baseball, but you never know, but somebody in one
of them by twenty thirty, would you take? Yes, that
would happen, or it might be a little bit after that.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna take the under. I'll say,
before twenty thirty. And this is not this is salary
contract salary, right, because you know people go, well, you know,
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Lebron made over un Tiger Woods been No. No, I'm
saying and didn't feel blow through one hundred million dollars
in gambling. Now I'm kids, like forty and four years.
I mean, this is this, I mean like it's like
the live golf money is real money. Tiger turned that down,
But I'm talking we're just baseball, basketball, football. I will
take the under in twenty thirty in someone playing for
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one hundred million dollars in a year, Okay, if I
said under, If I said twenty twenty five, for someone
making seventy five million, oh seventy five, seventy five millions
in twenty twenty five, wow, three years, Wow, I'll still
go under. I'll still go over over on that one,
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but very close. I mean, that's that's pushed level. I
mean because look, I mean incrementally quarterbacks have creeped up, right,
and that that salary, that salary pool is only going
to get bigger. That's what this comes from. And then
of course you got baseball, Like I don't think I
don't think we're there with baseball. Baseball, they stretch it
out over so long. We're still in the thirties, right,
we haven't even reached. But for football, quarterback and Supermax
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deal in basketball, and you know it'll have to be
one of these young players that has gone cycled through
two contracts that gets to the third one
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Doug gottlie in for Dan and the danfs today, and Doug,
let me let me start off the day by wishing
you a very happy Bobby body and day. As you know,
let's listen. Every year on this day we look back,
take stock of our lives and I just get depressed.
So I am happy to be here with you today
on Bobby Bundi a day to talk about so many
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other things in the wide world. Of sports. Why do
you get depressed. I don't understand deferred payments and the
whole balance of you know, should I should I put
money away that'll pay me in twenty five years or
should I take it now? And and by the way,
the state of your your Mets today is outstanding. So
you know, if Bobby Bonia Day should bring you back
to the days of yore when Bobby Bonilla was a Met,
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which of course is kind of where we are with
the Mets today. I look at it a different present.
Change your perspective on it, Jason. The thing is, it's
been such a bad headline and such an embarrassing you know.
The thing is, it's an embarrassing optic more than anything.
And the body the Mets don't take any more embarrassing
up because you've been paying a guy that hasn't played
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for you in twenty years, and you're paying him for another,
you know, thirteen years. I mean, this goes through twenty
thirty five. It's hey, yeah, I mean last year Ryan
Reynolds put out the whole mint mobile campaign at a
commercial with Bobby Bonilla and I'm laughing, going, this is
this is my team. Every this has happened with so
many other teams, but the Bobby Beni a Day and
the contract in this because it was like the first
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time we had seen it, Like, yeah, this is just
it's just a way to laugh at the Mets every day,
every every like you needed a reason to laugh at
the Mets. But yes, this is a great year for
us so far. This could be as good as it gets.
So I'm ready for the bottom to fall at any time.
But yeah, but this is still one of those days
where I just go, yeah, here we go. People more
people call me today and my friends I haven't heard
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from in like months and just say happy Bobby Bani
a day than like any other day, Like more than
on my birthday. People text me and say hey, happy
Bobby Bani a day. So I get that today more
than anything. I think it's a great day for both Bania.
But I don't know. I just think it's a fascinating discussion.
It's the old you win the lottery, you take all
the money, or you take it surprise spread out over
twenty five years, you know. I mean Allen Iverson has
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one of these deals with Reebok. Right, There's a lot
of people that thought Nan Allen iverson bad shape. Like now,
actually he has this deferred payment thing with rebox from
me shoes, which you know he started making a couple
of years ago. So I actually think it's a really
interesting business discussion. And I don't think it's because for
the Mets, for these teams that it allowed them to
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save cash, put it away into escrow and cost them less,
you know, to keep their players. And I think deferred
compensation is really interesting. But I do get it. It
is by Bunia a Day and it does you know,
it's one of those what a great deal to be him,
and what a weird deal to be the Mets, especially
when you have a new Mets owner. Right, although I
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believe all of this money was it was putting escrow
back with the Wilpons. But still it's a really quirky day.
So I'll buy in Happy Bobby Bunny a Day day.
Thank you, Doug. I appreciate that we'll celebrate later on
with like Margarita's or something. Sure. Uh now, well, obviously
the bat and this doesn't this isn't the worst thing
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for me because I think, well, with everything going on
in the NBA, Bobby Bunia Day is going to pass
by a little bit under the Nope Nope. Still woke
up this morning with even though NBA, but we're still
reacting to the big news with Kevin Durant asking for
a trade from the Brooklyn Nets. Already, we've seen so
many different destinations thrown out there, Phoenix in Miami at
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the top of the list. Other teams are throwing their
names in the ring. Supposedly up to twenty teams have
called the Nets, going, hey, this is We're interested, what
can we do? And the Nets have said, We're going
to take the best deal out there. It's not going
to be simply we just trade him wherever he wants
to go. You know, I saw this yesterday, Dougan, and
as soon as this happened for me that my first
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thought was, he is just never going to be happy
basketball wherever he goes. He's just he's just one of
those guys that is never going for a variety of reasons,
but mainly because he listens so much to outside noise
and he can't ever find a situation where Okay, I'm here,
I love basketball and I'm playing and I really want
to win. He had everything in Oklahoma City to the
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point where when they had that really Benver, that bad
mister unreliable headline that in the Oklahoma City papers it was, oh,
mister unreliable, and the paper apologized to him for that
headline after there was a big backlash on it, and
Kevin Durant got really mad. And when that happens, you
have to say, oh, this is my town. I mean,
I just had the newspaper apologized to me for a
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headline that questioned my talent. No, wasn't good enough for him. There.
He goes to Golden State, where every basketball player is
gone there, says what a great system, what a great
environment this is with Steve Kerr, and he wins a
couple of titles, and he still is not happy enough.
Fights with Draymond. He goes to Brooklyn, where he decides,
this is where I want to build my next big
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empire here and Kyrie and I are going to do
this together. We're gonna run this team, and this is
the next thing what I want to do because I've
checked those boxes of winning a championship off of my
resume and he couldn't make it work there. So I
don't know what's going to suddenly make him happy. His
next stop in the NBA. Okay, there's there's a lot
to digest there. Um, I'm going to disagree with you.
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With Oklahoma City, he had everything he got in terms
of owning the town, right, I mean the guy agree
with you on the mister unreliable, But it was a
it was a team that didn't have what he needed
in order to be successful. By his or I think
anybody's estimation, right, they just remember he's when he his
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last series, when they had a three games that won
leading the Golden State Warriors. Um, you know Steven Adams
and Andre Robertson. You know you're playing three on two
or three on five on offense. And they added Victor
Oladipo that offseason. But he was just he was just
done with with that first. I think he liked the town.
I think he'd liked the team. I just think it
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was the personnel wasn't good. It wasn't good enough to
be honest, and then when you're in Golden State, I
don't think it was about being unhappy there. I think
it was even how you would portray it, which is
he he In Katie's mind, all I had to do
is get to the finals and matchup of le Bron
and show I was a better player. He did that,
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he played better than Lebron. He guarded Lebron. He made
more big plays in the second half against Lebron in
two consecutive NBA finals, and really in the third one,
although he only played limited before he toured security said
he used the difference maker, and yet he couldn't get
the respect that he thought he deserved as being the
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best player on the planet. The Brooklyn thing was a disaster.
But I don't think anybody like, should he be happy?
But like, let's just be honest. Jason, like, should should
he be happy? He went, he went there, and he
went there one. They had great culture that obviously has
been destroyed. I think partially by Kyrie. I think a
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little bit by KD. I think a lot by the
move for Harden and the fact that they went after
the brass ring. But I like, should you be happy?
I mean, go back, Like, let's be let's take an
honest look at the last two years. You know, you
go back last season, people forget they were dominating the
Bucks of two games and none. Kyrie gets hurt, not
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a shocker, James Harden, not himself because of a hamstring,
still got to Game seven, and if not for his
toe being on the line, they beat the Milwaukee Bucks
and go to the NBA Finals. But this season was
an object disaster. And yet do I think that he's
a guy who searches. He's still searching for himself and
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searching for a home. Yeah, but you know, whether it's
he shouldn't have left. You could say you shouldn't have
left Oklahoma City, but I mean, now do you start
to kind of understand why maybe he wanted to get
away from Russell Westbrook. He shouldn't have left Golden State
in order to be successful, but he still wasn't getting
any sort of respect that he deserved. So you know,
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I do get it on some most I don't. I
don't know why you signed a contract that has four
more years left. And now I said, you said you
want out. But the team not communicating with him. I
think they're ready for a fresh start too. I think
I'm not sure that him asking to be traded was
news that Sean Marks didn't want to hear or didn't
expect to hear, right, Like if you don't There was
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multiple times there where Sean Marks was asked about communicating
with Kevin Brant and he had not. Now it does
work both ways, but when you stop talking in any relationship,
the relationship ceased to exist. So I actually don't think
that the Nets are sitting there going like, oh man,
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we're upset. I think this is a fresh start for them,
and I think they're going to try and rebuild, get
back to where they were previously, and make smarter decision
because because before Kyrie and Katie went in, that was
a team that had arguably the best culture. I had
the most fun that Kenny Atkins is a coach like
five hundred, and they had Spencer, didn't he and Karis
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Lavert and some of those guys. But that group had
fun and the rest of the league took notice. I
think he wants to get back to that, and I
actually think that Katie's kind of doing him a favor
that this this felt, this felt Ikey, Here's how I'll relate. Okay,
your daughter played youth sports or whatever. I'll I'll give
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you kind of the au analogy right in a you
have a good team inevitably, and you your kids played
the right way, You're going to have really really talented
kids who play on some of these big clubs that
they just dominate you, but they'll want to play on
your team because they feel like, well, the kids will
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all give him the ball and the play a little
bit of the system, and they'll be the star. And
what ends up happening is you take a couple of
those kids and now you're winning the tournaments and you're
you're you're competing on a bigger stage, but it's not
the core group of kids that you actually cared about
and put together the team for. And so that's what
I think it is happening here in Brooklyn. Like it
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just didn't feel good ever once you had Carrie and KD.
And then you bring in James Harden and like, these
guys aren't what they want to be about. And I
think that's what Brooklyn wants to get back to. Well,
that part I'm with you on because you just look
at the nets first reaction. Normally, if if a player
of Kd's ilk you're talking about a you know, a
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top five, top three player says they want to be traded,
what's the team's first reaction? As always, well, hang on,
we're going to talk through this. This is this is
you know, we're not just going to give him away.
We have to talk. We love Kevin, we want him
to stay. We want him to be able to stay
here and help us grow the nets. As a reason
why we signed him, we still believe in him, we
believe in everything we have going on. And instead, right
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away it was yeah, yeah, we're gonna take the best deal.
I mean there was there was no no pretending of yeah, listen, no,
we got to make it work. We got this is
Kevin Durant we're talking about, man, No, this is We're
gonna let him go. And I think that's a big
that's a big sign for the rest of the NBA
to go all right. They're they're in on him with
all of it. They went all in and now they're
so ready to let him go. And when when I
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see where he's gonna go next. And you talked about how, hey,
Brooklyn wasn't really the right fit. It didn't work. He
had a great fit in Golden State, in Oklahoma City,
he wanted to get away from Russ. He's had all
these different times that he's had different experiences. Okay, maybe
the Oklahoma City one wasn't great. Towards the end, he
had to get Away. Maybe it wasn't as great in
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Golden States. He didn't get their respect, even though he's
got two NBA Finals MVPs, and then he wanted to
have the power of running the nets with k D
and Joe Sigh and Marx. But he's had all of
these things to experience and none of them have really
made him happy. So I don't know where like his
next stop is suddenly going to be okay. Now I'm
here and I'm I'm back to winning, and I'm throwing
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myself back into things, and it's going to be different
than it was before, just because he's had all these
different things to experience, to try to find himself, to
try to find right. This is the guy I want
to be, This is the player I want to be.
And whatever wherever he ends up, whether it's Miami, whether
it's Phoenix or someplace else or Denver, whatever, I don't
see it being any different than it's been for him
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for his career. Where he'll get there and he'll be
okay in the beginning, and then after a while it's
not going to be as great. And as you go
on in your career in sports, when stars do this,
you have less time to suffer in certain times. So
he was at Oklahoma City for a long time and
then now he had to go. All right, then he
had half half the time in Golden State. Okay, I
gotta go. Now he's had even less of a time
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than Brooklyn. All Right, I gotta go. I kind of
see that being his career path now as it goes on.
I think he's been in Brooklyn four years. He was
in Golden State three and then I thought, right, because
he missed an entire year with injury right as he
been or is it three years in Brooklyn. He's three
years in Brooklyn, and yeah, he missed. He missed the
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whole entire first year. So it is interesting. I think
that Miami is the fit because if you know Kevin Durant,
he's or you take what everybody says about him, and
he's just about ball and that's what they're kind of
heat culture is about. And they need him. They need
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a cheat code on offense. They need a guy to
bail them out. And if they had the ideas, If
they have that, the problem becomes, if the Nets really
want the best deal, the best deal would come from
somewhere relating to Oklahoma, City or someone relating to the
Houston Rockets because they have all the picks. You know,
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the Heat aren't going to have any good picks for
the rest and the Heat are not. You're not gonna
come up Bam out of Bio or Jimmy Butler. And
so I don't know what comes back in return that
could equal out to what other teams could give you
value wise, but it's definitely fascinating. It really is interesting
that that here Kevin Dury it is and he like
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he chased it. I mean I understand that people there's
always going to be the well because he joined the
Warriors and they had won a title one seventy three
games back to back years, um that that it was
by many people's asked me, honest, weak move. Okay, he
chased it like we've all everybody's I know, is chase something.
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You know, you chase a girl, you know, you chase
your dream school, you chase the dream job. Hell I can,
I'll admit it. I chased my my dream job and
it was not what I thought it was going to
be in any way. And so I do kind of
relate to the Yeah, I mean I thought I was
getting one thing and I'm not and I'm sure Kevin
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Durant thought the top of the mountain feels different than
it did. But it's gonna be fascinated because you know,
before he heard his knee this year, he was maybe
not unquestionably, but he was the MVP a line and
if you go back to last year, at the end
of the year, he was unbelievable. In between, you had
the Olympics and you have all these great young players.
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The Olympics, Kevin Rant was the reason they won the
gold medal. They just hes unquestionably the best player in
that team. And so you're doctoring all those things and
we're looking at the lids of now he may be unhappy,
and he may continue to search for happiness. As you say,
Jason's very right, but that guy is an amazing talent
and he still seems to have several years left to
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play at that level. And whoever gets and is suddenly
going to be a championship caliber team. Now you said
the heat and that's a great fit, and certainly it is.
Do you really think that's gonna happen? The nets are
gonna say, Okay, hey, here's one of his preferred teams
and we're gonna send him there, and we're gonna we're
gonna make this other team in the East that was
close and potentially put them over the top. Are the
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Nets gonna, you know, be the Rockets and say, Okay,
here's where you want to go. We can get a
decent deal. We're gonna do it. I have no idea.
I just I don't. I don't know again, I don't
know what's being offered. I'll take shot Marks that face value,
because shot Marks seems to have been an honest salesman
in this thing. Right, he told us he wasn't talking
to kd. That should have told us that he was,
that they were, that they were taking a breath as
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that he They basically told us that they didn't want
Kyrie back, Right, That's that's why he said what he
said at the end of the year exit Press Scotfort's meeting,
right when he said when he needs to be available,
played for others, all the things that Kyrie has rightfully
been accused of not being right. So if he says
we're gonna wait for the best offer, what's the best offer.
Are the Lakers gonna offer up Anthony Davis for him?
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Are they Anthony Davis and Russell Westford. How does that
bounce out with Tyler Hero and a bunch of other
stuff from Miami. I don't know, So the only honest
answer I can tell you is I really don't know.
But I do know that you asked about, is there
a place he could be happy? That type of environment
where you have a championship caliber culture of guys that
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are just about you know, ball and getting after it,
and they need somebody to be their bailout guy, to
give the ball to to win him a game. That's
what he That's that's I think what he desires. He
needs some space, you know, can't have clutter in the
paint like he had with Russell Westbrook and Andre Robertson
and those type of guys. But outside of that, that's
the type of environment he needs. Um and I you know,
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the Clippers could be could be one if they were
with the nets on Paul George. How would that look.
I mean, there's all these different possibilities, but the heat
style of guy, and I hate to say heat culture,
but it is kind of a heat culture. I think
he fits that better than better than other places. Be
sure to catch the live edition of The Dan Patrick
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Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio WAP. Happy Bobby
Been a Day, Welcome Inside Hour too The Dan Patrick
Show here on Fox Sports Radio, Jason Smith, Doug Gottlieb
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in for Dan and the Dan Netts. As Bobby Benia
liked to say in an exclusive interview he did with
Action Sports, it's bigger than my birthday. And you know, Doug,
you asked me last hour on the show, you know,
as a Mets fan, I told you how embarrassing. It's
a really difficult optic, even though it was a sound
business decision to defer payments to Bobby Benia, who's going
to be getting one point one million dollars on this
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day every year until twenty thirty five. Darren Ravelle has
a story on this with new information that we have
never found out before because he sit down with Bobby
Benia and Benia said that the Mets actually tried to
get him to retire, and when they couldn't get him
to retire, they worked on this agreement and Bobby Benia
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Day was born. So this is what I mean when
I say the optic from my team on. This is
just terrible that they first they tried to convince him
to retire because look, we don't want to pay you,
we don't think you're very good. Oh and instead, all right,
we're just gonna give you a million dollars a year
for the next thirty five years. This is what I
mean about the optics surrounding the Mets. Yeah, but I mean, like,
tell me a team that I'm like, I'm an Angel fan.
You think the optics with Albert Poolhole Steel, you know,
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was it was a good one where you know, they
they bought him out of the last year of his
disastrous contract, and then he goes and plays with the
Dodgers and now he's back playing with the Saint Louis Cardinals.
He's he's still getting paid, I believe to be at
the end of his career to be a representative of
the Angels. Like in the he's not an Angel anymore.
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It's all these contracts exist and deferred payments. I think
it's only a bigger thing because it's the Mets. And
I'll beat completely honestly, because we have more Mets fans
that are broadcasters. It's it's the same thing. The Mets
have actually been a good team, They've been in a
World Series. There's so many other organizations that are so
much more poorly run. The problem is that one of
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the Mets. And you have a good number of people
who are sportscasters, broadcasters talking that are Mets fans. And
then of course they're in the same city with the
most successful baseball franchise ever, you know, So you have
those two things which make this Mitch, make all Mets
stories bigger stories than they actually are. Well, yeah, and
it's all it's always the group of teams in every
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sport that it's easy to point fingers and go, see,
they're always a laughing stock, right whether whether and most
of them are my teams, because it's you know, it's
the Knicks, it's the Jets, you know, but it's the Lions,
it's the Raiders, it's the Browns, it's certain teams that just, yeah,
these headlines follow them and they're always more embarrassing and
worse for them than they are. If this happened to
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the Patriots, right, if the Patriots had a free agent
signing that didn't work, and you know, Bill Belichick agreed
to pay a guy until twenty thirty, it would be well, hey, no, no,
this was this was a smart business decision. This is
just a deal that didn't go a boy, what a
great trend setting for the future. Bill Belichick has thought of.
It's all in the presentation of it, and some teams
that's how it goes for them. The team like the Mets, it's, ah,
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let's jump up and down on them. But other teams
it would be, you know, smart business decisions. So it's
just a perspective that the teams have that that really
hurt them in that situation. There's there's there's there's no
no question about it. Can I can I ask you something?
This is interesting to me? Okay? Um. It feels like
with this being the first full day of NBA free
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agency and Kevin Durant asking to be treated yesterday, it
feels like that should be the biggest story. But the
USC UCLA thing has so many different layers to it
and is so massive in the landscape of all college
sports that I feel like maybe today it's equal footing
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with KD or maybe even lesser foot in the kiddie
but a historically bigger story if you were seating them
in a tournament, which one would you say is bigger today,
I would say it would be USC UCLA, right because
we had that. We had the jarring headline yesterday and
it was jarring, but it was only jarring for a
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few hours because then NBA free agency Kevin Durant opts out.
And this is a year for free agency where you
know Lebron wasn't moving somewhere. You know, you still had
big names out there. But you know, when when when
the biggest thing going into free agency is Jalen Brunson
going to the Knicks, it's all right, Maybe this year
is not quite the same. So we had the blockbuster
of Durant, but we didn't have a resolution and we
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don't know where he's going and it's going to play out.
But now the day after, people are starting to see
this USC UCLA and they're gonna say, Wow, this is
USC leaving these this is these are the rock stars
of college football that are leaving. Because even though USC
hasn't had the footprint the last few years that they
had in the early aughts, I mean, they were easily
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the biggest rock star program and still are now we're
expecting to be it again with Lincoln Riley and all
the recruits that are following him, and and and the
fact that these are the teams that are leaving is
a much bigger deal because the you know, this would
be Alabama leaving. You know, Alabama's leaving the SEC for
the Big ten. Why is Alabama leaving? That's the impact
USC has and UCLA being part of it is great,
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But you're talking about an entire market leaving. You you're
the the ramifications of what it means for the teams
and the travel and are other teams going to follow?
There is a huge domino effect for this, And I
guarantee you this weekend, like when when you and I
are out and we're hanging out with our friends and
we're talking about it, we'll talk about Kevin Durant for
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a few minutes because obviously, why Kadie, where do you
think he's gonna go? And but when it comes to boy,
this US UCLA thing, and that's more of the conversation,
and that's something that you know, twenty twenty five minutes
you can see going by talking with your friends about it.
Where kad You'll be like a five minute conversation, then
a bigger one when he signs and you see where
he goes and how that affects the NBA. But right
now that this thing has so many tentacles and angles
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to it that it's it's just starting to become and
people are just starting to get the the the the
intricacies of this and how big a deal this is. Well,
I'm gonna disagree with you in terms of my weekend.
I'm gonna be in a in a gym coaching. So
in basketball, I think the KD and where will he
go in the kyrie? And you know, would you bite
the apple and bring in a kyrie? And you know,
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should Lebron get rid of Anthony Davis? I think that's
I think that's a better with the guys topic. But
I think the USC UCLA thing is massive because of
not just that what happens next? How does this affect recruiting?
Because because here's generally kind of the way works. You
mentioned that it's a it's a titan, and that's the
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only reason they have value is they're a titan, right
that they can It's the Texas the schools at rate
rate regardless of Notre Dame rates, Texas rates, USC rates,
Alabama rates, Oklahoma rates. You know Clemson rates like those
are the ones at Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State. Those
are the ones that people care about. Those are the
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ones with value, and forever they've had their value tied
up with a conference. And there's a couple of schools
Texas in USC specifically that are bigger than the rest
of their conferences combined. And now they flex their muscles
and they've used that strength and now they're in a
conference of of like sized, like you know, a backing
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school if you will. But you know, what is it.
It's going to be interesting. You know, the SEC has
recruited Southern California very well. This opens up Southern California
recruiting to the big ten. It just does because now
you can say, hey, you come here, we have you know,
we're a better school, better facilities, completely invested, and we're
going to play in la I think it now. Does
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that mean that the UCLA and USC can they go
and recruit the Midwest and say, you know, not only
do you get to get out of the cold and
play in the sunshine, but we were going to bring
you home every year to play as well. I think
that does work kind of both ways. And you know,
the recruiting aspect of it is fascinating to me. But
then it's what's next, or then it's what happens is
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the Stanford and Cal right, Like, I think the LA
market is huge in USC's bigger, and I know that
you know Stanford students and they don't fill up their
stadium whatever, But that's an incredible school with remarkable alumni,
and it's in the conversation of the best all around
sports programs on Earth in terms of the Olympic sports.
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And then you have Cal, the number one public school
in the in the country, you know, in terms of
ratings of public universities and a arrival and in the
same system a U SEE system as U se LA,
Like how does that all work? Like that that I
don't know? That whole thing is interesting to me. How
does it interfect recruiting? What do the conferences look like?
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You mentioned to Notre Dame, and then there's there's Oregon,
there's Washington, and then the last part too it is
and this was the threat. I don't I think you
had left ESPN when when the first Big twelve, first
Big ten expansion happened. But there's always the threat of
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Congress saying, hey, that tax shelter you got for college athletics,
this is this is a paid enterprise. You're making money,
You're spending money to buy kids like this. You're gonna
have to if that happens now the sport changes completely,
and uh, you know, and I don't know what happens
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to so many of these athletic departments. You know, if
your Oregon state or your Washington state and you get
left behind and you're not in one of these major
conferences and you're not getting money from your state for
your for your sports anymore, like your whole university changes
changes and at some point this could you know, whether
it's privatized college athletics. And everybody thinks they want that.
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It's like people thinking they want college athletes to be employees.
You don't want them to be employees because employees can
be hired, they can also be fired. You know, they
employees will have to pay taxes on all benefits. Those
things don't occur right now. They get all the benefits
of employees with really very little of the downside. So
I'm interested in how in all of it because it
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is a bit of a house of cards, and I
think I think this se UCLA thing may have pulled
out the bottom. I don't know what happens to the NCAA,
but I think this is a titanic land shift that
here's the most impressive thing. There were no rumors of it, right,
no rumors of it. It came out. It was done
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that night. That's how deals get done, right, because once
there's the hemming and the hawing, that's when people go,
wait a second, this school, it's not fair. There were
no rumors, no leaks. They got it done, just like
Texas and Oklahoma. And now of a sudden, that Big
ten deal is going up exponentially, and I wonder what's next.
So I'm going to disagree. I think this weekend people
(30:02):
are still talking about ball and what happens with all
these all this different move in the NBA. But long term,
the ramifications of UCLA and USC being in the Big
ten are massive. Jason Smith Doug Gottlieb here on the
Dan Patrick Show. Well, I'll take you to what's next,
which is which is where things get even more out
of control, because look, college football is about chaos, and
(30:24):
I love the chaos and how things change, and there's
no real leadership and everybody's kind of just doing what's
best for them. And we talked about this with Petros
Papadakas last hour that hey, this is a money move
clearly for USC UCLA, and everybody can cut this up
and and you can be upset about the travel, but
this is about money and what they're making the model
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of college football with NIL deals and trans reportal Right,
now it's unsustainable, right, the NIL is completely going to
get out of control. It's already spiral out of control.
I like to think that maybe some of the powers
that be understood the Okay, our conferences, this may not
be great for half of our teams because they can
compete and it's going to be difficult and we may
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have to do something here for it. And then this
move happens and it's gonna be well if they can
go and just basically, uh, you know, the inject cash
into the school and into their program, Well, why should
we figure anything else out for NIL? Yeah? You know what,
doors open and it's going to get even more out
of control as this gets into orbits. So I don't
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know that this did anything for that than just hey,
maybe we were going to slow down a little bit
and we were gonna pull the emergency break and say, okay,
let's let's let's realize what this model of college football
and how sustainable it is, and I don't believe it
is at all. And then this story happens, yes, and
it's okay, Well, now now that can happen. Now more
NIL deals are are gonna go off, and the rich
are going to continue to get richer, and there's going
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to be more money coming in, and Notre Dame is
going to realize we have to join a conference because
of all this money coming in and everything we thought
we were gonna get. There's gonna be no reset because
that's normally what happens is that when a story gets
this out of control, there's some kind of rest. All right,
well this is going to happen, right, Salaries got out
of control in the NFL for draft picks who had
never played a down before. So Sam Bradford was the
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last number one pick who got paid like a guy
who's hitting free agency at the age of twenty six.
He's a superstar. So the NFL pool the emergency break there,
it said, okay, we need to get back to this
a little bit. I don't see there being any emergency
break in college football after this story yesterday, Well, I
think that you're I think you're combining kind of two
different things I and I understand it is kind of
(32:34):
one story in one sport. Look generally, what most of
this is is a breakaway from I don't even want
to say that. Everybody says the NCAA, But the NCAA
is all it is is a voting body of all
the schools, right and the and and people can say, hey,
the college Football Playoff was the breakoff, and like it
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wasn't the BCS wasn't that wasn't the NCAA. The Bulls
system has them in the nca the nca has them
been involved in postseason. The high major Division one college
football in in our lifetime hasn't been involved in it.
It's always been operated by outside operators and by the
by the power brokers that be. That that's a that's
a fact, that it's not something I'm making up or
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that's not breaking information. What's what changed was they allowed
so many other schools to have Division one status, not
just in football but obviously in basketball. It's over three
hundred fifty schools now and then everyone has the same
voting rights, right, So it's like instead of being like Congress,
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instead of being like the House, they're like the Senate
all right, where everybody gets the same number of votes
per state, and they they needed to be more like
like the House, where you know, the Texas is the
Ohio states of the world they get they just get more,
more votes, more saying how things are done, because what's
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what's good for you know a what's I mean even
in the big what's good for Mountain West schools, it's
not good for USC, what's good for Max Schools is
not good for Ohio State, et cetera, et cetera. But
that's not how it's how it's seen and how it's
perceived by these presidents, athletic directors and boosters. So I
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think ultimately there will be the breakoff. And that's what
this is of whatever the elite are, and everybody's just
trying to make sure they have a spot, right, they
got a chair when the music stops playing. That's the
big thing. I think this really helps the Big twelve.
You know, if the Big twelve can smartly add more
pieces and somehow like is it the Big ten? Is
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it the SEC? No? I would tell you that the
Big twelve, the meat of the Big twelve, you know,
especially if they add a Colorado, the Utah and Arizona
and Arizona State and maybe, you know, maybe you'll shoot
for the stars and get try and get the whole
West or whatever that would be as good or better
than the meat of the ACC. Right, You're not going
(35:04):
to compete with Florida State in terms of their history
when they're right, or Miami and their history when they're right,
or Clemson and what they've been able to put together.
But the but you know, Oklahoma State and uh Utah
and Colorado, they're they're better and and and better and
financially supported programs for football, and they resonate more than
(35:26):
Duke than Wake Forest, you know, even then kind of
Virginio whatever, which is kind of us you know, Stanford
Light if you will, in football. So this is all
about the breakaway and who's who's with the big boys
and who's with the also rans. And I think I
think what's next and where who ends up not having
(35:47):
a chair when the music stops is going to be sad,
but it's going to be very telling for what their
future looks like in the future of the sport looks like.
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We had big stories, with Kevin Durant telling the Nets
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have become the preferred destinations for him. Joining us now
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in the hot line to help us break it all down.
NBA analyst's former NBA player and coach, college head coach
Rex Walters, Rex, what's happening man? How are you? I'm good?
How are you doing? Jason doug what's up well? Kevin
Durant wants to be traded? What's your reaction? Surprise a
little bit, especially after Kyrie signed the extension for one year,
(37:34):
saying all that, obviously Brooklyn is not thinking about having
Kyrie long term. There's some serious damage going off in
terms of that relationship because of all the stuff that's
gone on these past two years. So I think Kevin
looked at it and said, hey, I got four years
on the contract, but this is not what I signed
up for. I think it's and that roster, you know,
(37:57):
quite honestly, as much shooting this as they have. They
don't have size and I have length that are not
great defensively. And I think the other thing that people
forget is Kevin Durant knows what it's supposed to look like.
He's been in Golden State for four years. They went
to really four finals, they won twice. Like, um, he
knows what it's supposed to look like, and he's looking
at Brooklyn saying, this is not what it's supposed to
(38:19):
look like. So I need out is he going to
be able to get his way because this is not
a great situation with the Nets. Right away, the Nets
didn't say we want to keep KDE. We want to
be able to try to figure out away from it.
Take the floor for us, it's we're going to make
the best trade possible. Is he going to get to
a team that he wants to get to? If if,
in fact, like the Suns and the Heat at the
top of his trade destination list, that'll be tough. I
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think you know, at the end of the day, Brooklyn
has a has a leverage in this in terms of
they have to get something back and you're talking about
a top one one a one B player in the NBA.
And also the contracts have to work. So that's a
that's a big price to pay to give someone like
Kevin Durant up. You've got to make sure you're getting
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all these things back. I mean, Sean Marks right now,
is this thing. I respect the fact that they went forward.
They went forward with KD Kyrie James Harden. Then after that,
you know we talked about um, you know, Ben Simmons,
and now it's all kind of blown up. So now
Sean Marks is like, ok Now, I'm in, like, we
got to make something out of this mode. They've given
(39:25):
up a lot to be in this situation and now
it's all blown up. So there are teams out there.
I mean, I hate to say this, but you look
at the Lakers. They've got two guys that are very
similar in terms of salary, in terms of Anthony Davis availability,
and that's the Lakers, right, You've got two guys with
two big contracts. That's the Kyrie and Kevin Durant have.
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I think if you if you talk about Miami, I
don't know if they have necessarily assets that Brooklyn wants,
especially with the situation with Bam Auto Bio and Ben
Simmons being on you know, still their first contracts. It'll
be interesting. And then you've got to get DeAndre Aiden
to sign off on the side and trade to go
to Brooklyn. And then Deandre's got to be asking some
(40:07):
up what am I walking myself into going to Brooklyn.
So there's a lot of work to be done. It'll
be interesting to see how this all plays out. If
you're Lebron James. Yeah, let's just imaginary scenario and you
can either roll with Anthony Davis or roll with Kevin Durant.
(40:28):
What do you do? Oh, it's not even close. I'm
rolling with Kevin Durant. He's seen firsthand what Kevin Durant
can do. That that whole thing when you talk about
those great you know finals with Golden State and Cleveland,
it became a non factor. When Kevin Durant joined the Warriors,
it was a no brainer. The other thing is Kevin Durant,
even though he's had some issues with injuries like this,
(40:50):
dude loves to play, loves to work. Everything I've ever
heard about Durant is he loves to play, loves to compete,
wants to win, wants to have his own type of
legas see in terms of and I don't think he
thinks long term like this that, but he loves the ball.
That's what he's all about. Whereas Anthony Davis has had
his issues with injuries. So yeah, there's no question, and
(41:11):
you're talking about switching light size, they're both going to
play the three four. You get a guy like Kyrie
as well, who knows how to play with Lebron. That
would be really interesting when you talk about, you know,
the Warriors dynasty. Now the Lakers are right back in
the mix in terms of and you can have, you know,
and they're going after size and length in terms of
(41:31):
defensive minded guys with minimum contracts or lower salary guys.
But with those three and if they're all available, that
becomes really scary, you know. It's it's interesting you mentioned
how much he loves the ball. Remember the Anthony Davis
story came out that he hadn't touched a basketball in
two months. Like Kevin Rants a guy. Now he's had
injury issues as well, but Kevin Rants a guy who
probably hasn't gone two days without touching the basketball and
(41:53):
not two months. Rex. That's that's sort of it's crazy
about das well. And when you talk about, you know,
this is a guy that over the course of crewer,
he's played over eighty games three times, He's played over
seventy games multiple multiple times, like Anthony Davis, that that
just hasn't happened, you know. And so you talk about
for Kevin, he's got to be excited to go to
a major media outlet. He's got a chance to you know,
(42:16):
kill some some ghosts in terms of the Warriors, you know,
and what they've been able to do is to have
those two teams on the West Coast battling and out
would be phenomenal. But yes, I think that Lebron would know, Hey,
this is someone that I have the utmost amount of respect.
And you've got really the two best players probably over
the last ten years on the same row. And that's
(42:37):
what the Lakers have always been. They've been about great,
great players, right that are available to play to win championships.
So wreck do you think that that Kyrie finds his
way to the Lakers And and this is this is
We're going into the season and Kyrie and Lebron are
trying to wreck it in the Western Conference. I think
that that's everything that I've heard and read is saying
(42:59):
that Kyrie that's Kyrie wants to do. I think the
other thing too, is, you know, Kyrie's got a reputation now,
and I love Kyrie. I love to watch him play.
As a coach, it was hard to coach against him
and the game plan, but he does have a reputation,
right so Cleveland left it on a sour note, Boston
left it on a sour note, and then Hobbly Brooklyn
(43:21):
that's been a sour note. So you know, with a
guy like Kadi and Lebron, I think that the Lakers say, hey,
we can we can actually not manage Kyrie, but but
they'll have guys that can help hold him accountable and
bring out the greatness that he we all know he
has inside of him. Rex Um, I'm intrigued by brad Beale. Okay,
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does he go back to Washington? Does he try and
get to a team, get to a franchise where he
feels like he can legitimately compete? What do you think
Brad Beal does? Well? I think that the new thing
nowadays is number one. Gets your money. That's the number
one thing. Get your money, make sure it's guaranteed, and
then hey, okay, now what are you gonna do to
(44:05):
allow us to be a real contender? Right? And I
think bradleybial is a and again another guy. As I
coached in the NBA and as I get game plans
and watch players are like, this dude is special. But
is he an elite? Elite you're talking about the kdes
Lebron's those type of guys. He's not that, but he's
a second tier so you're gonna need another two or
(44:26):
three guys like that. Is porzingis that type of guy?
The question is still really out on that one. And
then who else can they add to that roster right
to really take them to another level in a great
Eastern Conference because they're gonna need great players around him.
He needs at least two other guys that are close
to his level for them to have a chance to
(44:48):
be really competitive in the Eastern Conference. And if that
doesn't happen, I can see him saying, Hey, this time
for me to move on. You know, he'll do the
same thing that a lot of players are doing. That's
the new thing now. It's like the NBA transfer port.
They say, Hey, I'm ready to move on. Here's my
list of teams that I want to go to. Let's
makes it work. Rex. What we've seen so far, you know,
(45:09):
we're into day two of free inc We've seen some
players signed. What's the move you've liked the most so far?
And if you say Jalen Bruns into the Knicks, I'm
okay with that. As a Knicks fan, So if that's
your answer, I'm fine with it. But what even like
so far, Wow, it's been kind of crazy, to be
honest with you, that the money that has been out there.
When you think about Yoki, She's gonna make fifty million
dollars a year when it gets to that extension, and
(45:31):
guess what he might be worth it? Like if you're
gonna if I'm gonna throw big money Devin Booker, I'd
I'd be interested to see what happens when Chris Paul
leaves Phoenix, Right, Is Devin Booker going to have the
same type of impact because he's a great, great player. Again,
I've been more intrigued with some of the signings of players.
I'm like, how did he get that type of money?
And God bless him? Like I'm all for players making
(45:52):
their money, but you look at Oklahoma City and lou
Dort is a tough, physical guard, he's not a great shooter.
To give that guy over eighty million, I was like
scratching my head a little bit. So you know, I'm
not answering your question, but I'm more intrigued by some
of those moves where guys are getting crazy money and
they haven't proven that they could win and really, you know,
(46:14):
be an efficient, effective player in the NBA on both
sides of the ball. Yeah, But Rex, I think part
of it is when we struggle with this is the
scale changes, Right, Like lu doort eighty million dollars jumps
out at you. But then you go like, did you
see what the back end of Yokich and Carl Anthony
Towns deal plays? Did you guys see this their final
(46:34):
year of their supermax deal they just agreed to yesterday
is sixty sixty two point one million dollars for one season,
and so like, I mean, obviously there's inflation, but with
all the money, like we just have to look what
happens is we look at we're like, I can't believe
that guy's making fifteen now, like yeah, but the best
(46:56):
players are making sixty, so fifteen kind of fits. It's
just it's really hard for us to wrap our heads
around when the numbers. When the numbers jump like this,
but then you kind of relate it to like did
you ever think you're gonna be paying six dollars a
gallon for gas? Right? I mean, every everything has everything
has jumped, But I saw that that Town's deal and
(47:19):
the Yo Kich deal, and Yo Kich is an MVP's
a great player, but sixty two million dollars is unbelievable. Yeah,
it is. It's really interesting. And then you got to
look at your roster construction and how are you going
to be able to put players around players like Cat.
You know, Ant's gonna come up for you soon and
he's gonna be asking for crazy money. And then you've
(47:40):
got you know, what are they gonna do with Delo
D'Angelo Russell. He's making a good amount of change, And
then can you put the right pieces around in a
smaller market like Minnesota? And I root for Minnesota. My
daughter's a video associate with the Timberwolves, so I root
for them. And then you know they've got new ownership
that that's kind of transitioning in. They've got a new GM.
(48:00):
That is again you're in the Western Conference, and you know,
every job is difficult, and Finch has done a great job. Again,
you've got to put together a roster that allows you
to compete at the highest level. And when a guy
is making sixty million, it makes it difficult. But this
is an elite three point shooting four or five in
Cat and now you want to see the winning go
(48:21):
along with it. So hopefully that happens to I output
for my daughter because then she's employed. But also you're
hoping for that franchise because you've got to put good pieces,
defensive minded guys that are skilled, that can shoot the
basketball around tet and those guys aren't going to be
coming cheap with the money coming in A man who'll
be using his daughter's influence to come out of retirement
and play for the Timberwolves this year for fifteen million
(48:42):
a year. Rex Walters, Rex has always buddy, appreciate it, man,
Thanks so much for making time for us. Appreciate you guys.
Have me have a good one. You got it, Dougy,
you're gonna come out of retirement and play right for
sixty million dollars. No, no, no, you're not gonna get
sixty You'll get fifteen million. I mean, come on, you're
not gonna get You're not gonna get Yokachy, you'll get
fifteen million. I would pay for I would I would
(49:03):
play in that league for five hundred dollars that that
would be fine. Just always always wanted my name on
the back of one of those one of those jerseys.
But no, it's it's really interesting, like we're you know,
I remember what Kevin Garnett was, the first one hundred
million dollars contract, And I just wonder how many years
away we are from the first one hundred million dollars
per year athlete. Right, we're creeping closer. We got to
(49:25):
fifty in football, now we're gonna get We're a couple
of years away, obviously from sixty in basketball. How many
years away are we from somebody getting one hundred million
dollars for one year of their of their sport. If
I told you twenty thirty, would you take the over
or the under? By twenty thirty, someone's going to be
getting one hundred million dollars a year, either in the
NFL or the NBA. I mean probably not in Major
(49:47):
League Baseball, but you never know, but somebody in one
of them by twenty thirty, would you take? Yes, that
would happen, or it might be a little bit after that.
I'm gonna go, I'm gonna take the under. I'll say,
before twenty thirty. And this is not this is salary
contract salary, right, because you know people go, well, you know,
(50:07):
Lebron made over un Tiger Woods been No. No, I'm
saying and didn't feel blow through one hundred million dollars
in gambling. Now I'm kids, like forty and four years.
I mean, this is this, I mean like it's like
the live golf money is real money. Tiger turned that down,
But I'm talking we're just baseball, basketball, football. I will
take the under in twenty thirty in someone playing for
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one hundred million dollars in a year, Okay, if I
said under, If I said twenty twenty five, for someone
making seventy five million, oh seventy five, seventy five millions
in twenty twenty five, wow, three years, Wow, I'll still
go under. I'll still go over over on that one,
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but very close. I mean, that's that's pushed level. I
mean because look, I mean incrementally quarterbacks have creeped up, right,
and that that salary, that salary pool is only going
to get bigger. That's what this comes from. And then
of course you got baseball, Like I don't think I
don't think we're there with baseball. Baseball, they stretch it
out over so long. We're still in the thirties, right,
we haven't even reached. But for football, quarterback and Supermax
(51:17):
deal in basketball, and you know it'll have to be
one of these young players that has gone cycled through
two contracts that gets to the third one
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