December 12, 2025 • 43 mins
Sophia Bush returns to discuss not only Sex and the City but And Just Like That and Miranda's evolving journey. Kristin and Sophia discuss Samantha and her Viagra use and its personal connection to Sophia.
Plus, The Charlotte fashion item that Sophia had to have so she bought it!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte?
Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So
Carrie struggles mightily. She's Big through the binoculars. Big sees her.
Oh so I just feel so angry at Big through
(00:23):
this whole phase. I'm just like, Big, you're a mess
and you need to leave her alone. A mess, a mess,
And that poor.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wife reminds me of He reminds me of Jasper in
the Holiday?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Which one is Jasper?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Jasper is the man who comes to see Kate Winslet
when she's on her Christmas holiday in La Right, is
it Jude or the other?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
No, he's a I don't know some English because it's
Jack Black and Jude Law.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Incredible actress.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And he is like, I've just missed you and let's
go on holiday and this, that and the other. And
then she's like, wait, are you still engaged to be married?
I just wish you could understand how hard this all
is for me.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm so confused.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I just watched it last weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
In my moment, it's very similar.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I watch it like four times every Chris West. Wow,
but my god, it's like you are with Natasha. You
chose Natasha, leave carry alone. And by the way, if
you think you made a mistake, then leave that woman
and apologize and.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Then move on. He's gonna do it, but he's gonna
do it in the worst possible, messy, messy way.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's like, say the thing and go totally.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The mess is so unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I agree, but I also feel they're not They're only
as mature as they are, right, they can't, you know
what I mean. And she doesn't really get as much
excuse because he's older and whatever. But like Carrie, you know,
and this is what I love about Carrie, So the
thing that I love and I so relate to all
of it. Right, So she rushes out of the opera,
(01:54):
and then she tries to call Aiden and she gets
the voicemail. And you know, this is before texting. Really
we weren't really texting a lot, right, So then she
hasn't heard from him for two days, and she fully
spins out because previously they'd been like joined at the hip, right,
that's phase of the like the honeymoon of the relationship.
Weeping over every night, right, and now she's just spinning, spinning, spinning,
(02:15):
and you feel so bad for her, like that's about
her own you know, development, and like what she can't
quite be with right, And so then she thinks she's
She says to him like we just were too available
to each other, which I kind of get, right, like
when you're just totally with someone, kind of taking them
for granted. And she thinks, like, I just need a
little space. Whatever. She gets a little space, and then
(02:35):
he doesn't ed to the phone, and she's like, oh,
what did I do? I totally totally relate. Okay, wait
and then wait. In the very end, she goes to
see him with his adorable little parents. Cute. They're so cute,
which is so rare. We never see parents in our
show never ever ever.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know what I like about that moment She goes
and instead of going in, yeah, the knock on the window,
and she gives.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Him a choice.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
She gives him the choice, and she's really vulnerable. She
runs him through her whole spin. She doesn't try to
hide it now, she doesn't play it cool. Yes, she's
like I thought this, and then I thought this, and
then I thought this, and then I got scared and
then I wasn't sure, and so now I'm here, and
if you don't want me to be here, I'll leave.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, it's amazing, it's it is.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Actually, you're right. She's learning a lesson in real time
and being honest about the lesson. Right. And when she
says I flipped my stomach all by myself.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's so good. That's so good, big lesson, so so good,
so so good. So here, let's go to Charlotte for
a second, because Charlotte, Oh, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte. She is
a funny girl sometimes, you know, I look back at
her and I'm just like, wow, I remember it, but
I don't remember all of it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
JD.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean like, I didn't I remember meeting Kyle Trey
and I didn't remember that.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I go to the bar where the Dennis is there.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yes, I think Phil, the single guy's gonna be there,
but the married guy's going to be there, and I'm like, what, Yeah,
it's so funny to me.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And by the way, it's he's him and big same yeah,
and it is that thing. And it was so funny
because as soon as you went to dinner with them.
I was like, oh my god, it's Dennis because I
remember the storyline, and I remember thinking how crazy it was,
you know, watching the show in college, because it was
(04:24):
it was that like fall of two thousand that Brenna
and I lived on the fifth floor together and we
started watching the show and caught up, and then we'd
watch it every weekend when the episodes were there, and
I remember being like, that's insane, no one would ever
do that, and then in my thirties being like, oh,
that's happened. I've seen this happen. I've had it happen.
My friends have had this happen. Like men are insane,
(04:47):
It's true, and oh my god, like what is wrong
with you guys? And so there was something so crazy
about watching the episode ahead of this and going or
it's join us. And then as an actor, I watched
every little choice he made and I was like, there
it is, there it is. It's like the sixth sense
(05:08):
when you know you go back and watch the movie
and you see it everywhere, and I knew, and I
was like then in my head, I was like, what
does she do?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Does she hit him with her purse? I feel like
it's a scene push him or do I slap him?
What do I slap him? I meant, which is so crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I generally, as an actor, I hate to slap people
because I feel like I know how to do it.
I went to you know, acting school. But I feel like,
in life, how often do you slap or be slapped?
It's very rare.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I've slapped one person.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I don't think in life I've ever slapt anyone that
I can think of right now, certainly not since I've
been sober. Yeah, people write it into film and TV
to a fair amount, and I'm always like, oh, does
it need to be that with this thought was great
because also she she's Charlotte, right, she doesn't see this coming,
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no one little bit, And it feels like.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You really like tried to slap some sense into it, right,
literal phrase right Like.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I liked the way I did it because it was like,
you're just stop out of it. It was a snap
out of it share type moment, yes, right, which is ye.
She says that might be the best lap ever. Anyway,
Then this was the great part because all I remember
about this was that my goal was to get to
falling in the street. I picked that lipstick skirt. I
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was on the plane home to LA. I was looking
through the magazines like we used to do, you know,
the paper magazines. And I saw the product ad with
the product lipstick skirt, and I called Pat. You know,
the plane hadn't taken off. Called Pat and I was like, Pat,
I need to get this Proda lipstick skirt. She goes, oh, like,
I don't think we can get it. You know, if
you ever meet has a very deep voice, you know,
(06:53):
I was like, ah, I can't even really do it. Justice.
She says, we have to have five of them because
whenever you're going to fall into a street that's wet,
because they have to wet everything down right, you don't
know what's going to happen. So she's like, we have
to find five of them. I don't know if we can.
I said, I'll go look because at that point I
was already my protoholic self, and I had a discount
at Product. No, yes, I still have it. Not the
(07:15):
wood okay, not the wood man. Oh, I know it's good,
so good, it's so good. And so I went I
think I might have gone in LA and New York.
And then they had to call around and try to
find them, like through Europe and down to the wire.
We didn't know if we'd have enough. Noah, can I
tell you something amazing? Yes, I have one. Yes, we
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should wear them together. Oh I have it. You have
the lipstick? Yes, amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was a thrilling acquisition for my little vintage collection.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Great job and you it's like safe, gorgeous good. Yeah,
because you can never find them. No.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I feel so lucky to have it. It's such an
iconic piece. And when we when we were solidifying today's date,
I was.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Like, no, I'm already in LA and it's at home
in New York.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I was so sad about it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's okay, we we know we each other had a
wonderful thing. I remember at the wrap party of this season,
because we'd had five and I made sure to get
one right. One of Pat's friends came up and said,
I'm so excited I got a lipstick shirt. And I'm
like what. It was so mad. It's like, wait, whatw I.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Know?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But I'm sure she's enjoying it. Anyway. When I fell
in the street, we only needed one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
nothing ripped, nothing tore. It was all fine. That bag
I have a little Prada like bowling bag. I feel
like they called it is black and white that was
borrowed from Prada. The shirt I believe I have, it's
like just a very basic I think the one I'm
(08:49):
wearing there is just a very basic, like three quarter
leafs length thing. I think I still have this sleeve length.
I think I still have that too. But I fall
an adorable, adorable Cale is.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
There to help me up every night and sh.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I know, and just so handsome. But it's also so
funny because we're very the way they filmed it, I'm
sure it was five am. I love like that we
shot on Super sixteen, so like when the street lights
go like wacky, that's why, right, because it's like old film, you.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Know, beautiful. You get the haze and the pinwheel.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Exactly so beautiful, and they the way they pan around,
I mean, and he just could not have been more perfect, obviously,
like a dream come true, a dream come true. And
then I've said this many times. I'm just say this
in case someone hasn't listened. The idea was that he
was only going to do five episodes. No, yes, the
idea is that he was only going to do five
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know that, yes, and that he Trey was going to
be very, very boring, and that all the friends would
be like, oh God, you know who's going to talk
to Trey, But he was Kyle and he couldn't. It
was isn't that just he's so yummy beyond and so
interesting and he does things with such a very subtle twist.
(10:07):
And they knew that he was going to have a
mess up relationship with his mom and that there was
going to be some problems in the bedroom. But also
he was supposed to also be boring in regular life,
but he just couldn't pull that part off because he
was him and I was just like, this guy can't leave,
you know what I mean? And everyone else felt the
same way. So he stayed, thank goodness, and we did
(10:29):
many different things. But obviously he had to go eventually,
which was said but needed to happen so that Harry
could come and so that Charlotte could learn yes, yes, yes,
indeed no yes.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well to allow you to build the life you think
you want and realize it's not for you, that's a
profound lesson. Yeah, And having been through that now as
an adult, I wish, I wish the gravity of it
(11:01):
had hit me sooner as a viewer.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, but I also feel like you don't.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You can watch something and feel like, oh, that's amazing
and so right on, but until you go through it.
If you need to go through that, there's nothing. There's
no substitute you really you.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Can't learn a lesson until you learn it. And the
thing that I think I've realized, and it feels very
true for your story as Charlotte, is no matter what
fear you feel, you can usually explain something away or
work on it or whatever. You can't know that you're
in a cul de sact until you drive to the
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end of the street and realize you can't get out
unless you turn around.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That's true for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, And I think there are there are moments where
winding up on a cul de sac in your life
is really meant to teach you something. And I think
Charlotte had that. I know I had that. I definitely
I can see that character journey for women I've played
on screen as well. And I yeah, I think it
(12:02):
rings so true for so many people because so many
of us have versions of it. Are I agree?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, I mean that's well put and I think It's
interesting because you don't necessarily know that you don't want
to be on that cul de sac till you're fully,
fully on it, right, Because some people want to be
on a call de sac. Yeah, you know, some people
wants to get there. It's harder than they might have thought.
But they do think all the things like I need
to work on myself, I need to whatever it is right,
(12:31):
and that if that is the thing that they really
really want, then they do need to figure out a
way to make that work out, I guess. But then
also sometimes that is not what you really want. And
that's the key I think to be most in tuned
with yourself, truly deeply about that, you know, which is
not easy. I don't think that's easy. It's and I
(12:53):
also think the conditioning, it's very hard to separate your
internal desires from your conditioning because you've been conditioned since
the day you were born.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, and you think that's what you want. Yeah, you
don't need the difference, say this is my desire, this
is my goal. It's I don't think you know it
isn't or that perhaps it's the right goal in the
wrong iteration or whatever. Until you're in it and the
thing that's supposed to make you feel full feels hollow,
and you go, oh.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
No, Well that's the key, right, that's the key is
when you're actually in it. How do you feel? How
do you feel? Do you feel miserable? Do you feel hollow?
Do you feel like any of those bad things? Because
there's really no amount of work you can do on
yourself that's going to fix feeling hollow.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
No, there's no amount of work you can do on
yourself that's going to ease the eggshells you walk on
in the wrong house.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, egg shehlls. That's a different situation. Eggshells sucks so bad. Yes, no,
egg shells very bad. Run any women who are listening
to this run away from any eggshell feeling boo A
million times of boo on egg shells. Right, eggshells is
different for sure than hollow. I think right, like hollow
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and hollow. If I were in a situation and I
felt hollow, which is rare, I would I don't even
know if I would even get myself into a situation
that I felt hollow in it, But if I did,
I would have to ask myself, am I blocking off?
Am I? So? Is this threatening me somehow where I'm
having to shut off my feelings because I have so
many big feelings at all times. If I really felt nothing,
(14:28):
I would have to examine that, right, Like why am
I actually feeling nothing? You know what I'm saying? That
would be an odd thing and worth examining. But if
I did examine it, and I realized, oh, that's because
this is a like if Charlotte had stayed with Trey
maybe and I have to I haven't rewatched yet. When
Kyle was here, we talked about some of the things
that happened, like the Cardboard Baby and things I only
(14:48):
vaguely remember it right, like it was a lot. It
was a lot of plot that I hadn't experienced in
life yet, and my friends hadn't really gone through either,
like the IVF for all of that later later on,
many people I know did that, but and it's a
whole thing, and I don't know that I did it justice.
I'm really anxious to rewatch. But also he talked about
(15:09):
something when we weren't sure, and I think the writers
were trying to carve out what was actually going to happen.
And I know he was so great to work with
and we were so connected that I was felt very connected.
I never felt hollow, but I do remember that there
was that time, and I also knew he had to
go right, which was sad. But like that time when
you just know that you and the other person don't
(15:30):
want the same thing, and then no amount of love
is going to fix that, or attraction or whatever it
might be, right, no amount of perfectness is going to
make you want the same thing. Yeah, And if you
don't want the same thing, you can't stay with that person, yes,
because you will be giving up what you want in theory, right,
and that's not something that you should do. No.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
There's a difference between compromising and compromising yourself, absolutely, And
I think the conditioning comes in, especially for women, because
we are often conditioned to compromise to the point of compromise.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's true because no one says to us, don't do it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, And when you realize it's shifted from healthy compromise,
right too, I'm compromising, right.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You think, like, do I recognize myself? I mean, I
have been in those situations where you know someone's asking
me to do something or to give up something or whatever,
and I have to say, like, wait, I worked my
whole life to create this and you want me to
quit doing it? Really Like I was in a relationship
where my significant other wanted me to quit acting, and
(16:43):
I was so burnt at the time. It was after
the show and just burnt out, so tired, so tired,
where I was like, well maybe, you know, I had
that tired thought of like maybe I could give it
up and live this adventurous life with this person. And
then later on I thought what it was. I thinking, yeah,
(17:03):
I would miss it so badly if I actually give
it up. Also, you can't really give it up and
go back. It's not that kind of job, do you
know what I'm saying? Yeah, Like that's it. If you
walk away, you walk away. And then I did also
think that when when adopted my first child and I
ran into Julian Moore. This is another example of like
the things I love about our business. Yeah, Randa is
(17:23):
Julian Moore, and she said, how is it, you know,
how's it going? And I said, oh, it's so great,
it's so great. I feel so bad being gone. And
she said, you know that's okay, They're gonna be fine.
You have to tell yourself they're going to be fine.
You're only gone for a tiny second in their mind, right,
You're going to be back. And I said, I just
feel like maybe I should take a break from acting.
She said, don't do it. I said, don't do it.
(17:44):
And she had two children at that point. She said,
do not do it. I have friends who have done it.
They can never get back in.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's like, oh, thank you, Julianne, thank you Julie, Because
like you have those moments where you're just like tired
or tired, an you do need time to recuperate.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And I think that's different though than going like me,
I'm kind of an all or nothing right where I'm like,
I'm so tired, maybe I don't want to do it anymore.
But that's just how tired you are, right, That's how
tired you are.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And then you go like what was I thinking?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Right? Because also sometimes the well gets dry.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, if your tank is empty, you can't give give.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, there's nothing to draw on or whatever. You have
to refill the tank. But that's different than quitting. Yes,
very different, Yes, very different.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You can convince yourself like, oh I might just be
permanently empty.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
You're not right, But that's also like a just you're
just so tired you can't you know, function or whatever.
You know. Let's talk about Samantha for a second, because
this interested me. This storyline. I didn't remember the storyline.
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She basically is with this very hot athletic dude who's
taking my aggro and he gives her some and then
she has this incredible orgasm. And I remember a moment
in time where they talked about giving viagra to women
for you know, pleasure, right, And I don't know what
happened with it, do you I sure?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Do you do?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I do? Let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So this is actually really interesting. Okay, My one of
my girlfriends, Cindy Eckert, is an amazing entrepreneur, and she
created Addie, which is the female viagra.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And when they were working on, you know, advocating for
this for research dollars for you know, the FDA to
actually address the medication.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
As we know, there's almost no research dollars given to
women's issues.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yes, women were not even included in a clinical trial
until nineteen ninety three. Wow, which is insane considering we
are fifty one percent of the population and we also
deserve healthcare. Yes, less than three percent of all healthcare
dollars go to women, So I mean, it's really it's
so of health like research dollars. I should say, someone's
gonna yell at me for speaking incorrectly off the cuff.
(20:05):
But the fascinating thing I learned from Cindy is that,
you know, her team learned that viagra had been given
emergency clearance by the FDA. It was said to be such.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
An important medication, oh my.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Gosh, so important to humanity that it went through FDA
clearance in six months. And she said, well, if you
gave it to the men, give it to the women.
And I won't say who, because I likewise respect other
people's stories. But an elected official like on Capitol Hill
looked her in the eye and said, what do we
(20:44):
want a bunch of horny women when around for ew
And Cindy, to her credit she's a baller, looked at
this guy and said, well, do you want your wife
to want to have sex with you or not? Yes,
she's amazing, amazing, and yeah, she has been doing all
this incredible advocacy for women's health, women's sexual health, all
(21:06):
of it. And I think it's so interesting that you know,
the idea that men might not be able to have
sex at any moment they want to. It was an emergency,
but women deserving health care for their sexual and reproductive
function is still very brown, paper bag bottom Shelf inane conversation,
(21:27):
and so she has a doc called the Pink Pill
that's coming out, and she's just like out here doing
this work. And so through our friendship, I've really I've
just learned so much about it. And so I was
watching this episode going, oh my god, I know, sweet,
can you get it? You can?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh, wow, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But it was essentially the medication was bought by a
you know, larger company, and then Shelf and Cindy fought
to get it back. WHOA, Yeah, she's amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
That is amazing. I want to see her job.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
But it was such a cool thing to watch the
episode thinking like, oh my god, I wish that there
had been anything for women at the time, and I
sort of love that, you know, Samantha's storyline and Kim
being such a great committed actress, she really leaned in
on it and to play the desperation of you can't
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take this away from me, because he's making this better
for me. She did it so comedically, but knowing what
I know thanks to Cindy, I was like, Oh, there's
a whole other layer to this and Darren Starr doing
such a genius thing in the writing of this episode,
connecting that like gorgeous high note at the opera, like
(22:48):
going straight into Samantha orgasm. I literally put in my notes,
I go opera to orgasm is a ten out of
ten for.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It was good. It was really good, such a good hole. Yeah,
it was beautiful. It was beautiful. It did make me
wonder because I've been remember it being discussed like in
the news, I feel like, and then it just kind
of went away, which is interesting, right, we didn't talk
about Miranda and Steve, like try to talk about Miranda
and Steve before time. I know they're incredible, they're incredible,
(23:15):
but but literally, but I vaguely remember the storyline because
I was kind of horrified.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was am was just like, oh God, I.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Know we're talking you guys about the skid marks. Okay,
everyone's gonna know who's seen it. I know. And the
thing that's interesting about it, and I love the writing again,
is that basically Miranda, who has been struggling with you know,
kind of Steve's committedness and availability and all of the
(23:49):
things that's also reflected in the Aiden Carry relationship. So
she there, he is at home, and you know, she's
telling all the rest of us that he's predictable and safe,
but she loves them about him, which is like, wow, right,
big growth exactly, and that her favorite thing to do
on Saturday night is to do is laundry, and we're like,
whoa gosh, Miranda. And then she's there. They're eating lasagna
(24:14):
and having sex and watching TV and everything's great. And
then she's doing the laundry and she comes across skid
marks in his underwear, which is you know, just like, uh,
you know, it's a lot, it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah,
and he it is. To me, it's kind of and
I don't have a lot of experience with this, but
it's a little bit like, you know, the kid element
(24:35):
of Steve. The episode where he's watching Scooby Doo it's coming,
you know, like there's a theme going on where she
he wants to have a baby, and she's like, I
already have a baby, and I think she's Carrie says
that in voice over Marianda. Really she already had a baby,
already had a baby. I think this is a little
bit like that too. Also, and also like my thought was,
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why isn't he doing the laundry?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, it is that it's an elemental thing that it
seems the writers want to weave in, which is is
this man a little juvenile?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And it's reflective of that larger thing, which we know
that so many women feel like they become their husband's mothers, right,
you know. I read this whole read on Threads on
the day before Thanksgiving, and this woman was like, I asked,
I asked. My husband asked me if he could help.
I said, yes, please handle all the you know or dervs,
(25:30):
like the morning snacks. And he said, what if I
drive you to the store. Can you go in and
get them? I don't know what to get. And she
was like driving me to the store isn't helpful. Also,
it's taking like I need to be here prepping. I'm
not doing nothing. I'm prepping all of the food. You
offered to help, just go get something and he couldn't
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do it, And she was like, I've done this for
thirteen years. And it's kind of my fault. And I'm
also fed up. And it was really interesting to watch
all the women in the discussion, and I thought about
it watching these scenes because she does love him and
he is absolutely fine reverting to letting the woman do
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everything for him, and it is that kind of generational
learning pressure. Girls get one set and boys get another.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, look, I've got a seven year old boy right
and he'll say. I'll say, like, can you do X,
Y or Z? And he'll go, I'm kicking my ball
right now.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
And You're like.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And I'm like, yes, yes, I see that you're kicking
your ball right now. I mean, like, what I'm trying
to say is you're, as a mom my feeling at
this point in time at least, is that you're trying
to create something that doesn't exist in them. Yes, which
is interesting. I don't know enough about the science of
their brain and where their brain is right now to
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know why it doesn't exist in them, because it would
be sure. I have an older daughter, right but if
I would have said to her, you know, can you
set the table? I kind of think she would have
said yes and just done it, do you know what
I mean? So it's interesting, and then you're in the
mom position of going, Okay, intellectually, I know that I
need to calmly reinforce that he needs to participate in helping,
(27:20):
but also it is easier for me to actually do it. Yes,
but that is then the way this all continues. Right.
But it's a very fascinating thing. And I think about
it a lot as being a mom, because you feel
the responsibility. Okay, I've got to try to raise like
an empathetic functioning you know, kid slash young man who's
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going to be doing these things and not be expecting
the woman in his life to do them. Yeah, but
it's hard.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It's so hard.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I don't know why, but it really is.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And I think it's a great thing that they did,
that your writers did exploring this stuff with this relationship
because they're asking this ex essential questions so much. And
you know, Miranda is talking about what it's like to
have this healthy intimacy that she loves, and also when
when does intimacy go so far that it cancels the
(28:15):
intimacy out absolutely? On their walk and talk, yeah, you
know those great scenes, she's like, Oh, I think I
think the intimacy is over now right right right, you
know they're in it right, And I love the conversation
between Miranda and Carrie on that side.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They're always so great, so great. I know, they're so great.
I would love to cut all of those walking talks
between Miranda and carry together from the beginning till the end.
I mean, if we are really done. I don't know,
but they're always so amazing, and I would have to
throw in one that's not a walk and talk, which
is this argument they get into and just like that
after my birthday party, which is one of my most
(28:50):
favorite scenes ever. But I need to ask you about something,
and I don't know if I should or not, but
I kind of want you because you have a unique
life experience where you can speak to a Miranda issue
that I would love to know your thoughts on. You
have talked about this, so I feel like it's okay,
but you can tell me if it's not. So you
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to all the exterior world, were in a heterosexual relationship
and then suddenly you were not in that relationship anymore,
and you were in a lesbian relationship. And this can happen, correct,
So you know, Miranda, this happens to Miranda right, And
it also happened to Cynthia, right, which they're different, they're different,
(29:35):
they're not the same. But when it happened to Cynthia
and she kind of got outed, which we don't even
need to get into because it's old history. But one
time I went on Letterman and I was supposed to
just be promoting the show. I think now one thing
led to another, and he wanted to talk about how
could Cynthia just wake up one day and be gay? Wow?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yes, so do I think because it's a man's worst nightmare.
I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I was like, are you worried? Day? What's the issue
going on?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know what I mean? Right? It is interesting the
floating fears that people have and then project onto people,
and many, many, many of our fans believe that Miranda,
(30:26):
that that is not what Miranda would have done, or
that that is that we were somehow being untrue to
the character. We don't feel this way. I know Cynthia
doesn't feel this way. I know Michael Patrick, who wrote
it doesn't feel this way. What I'm saying, yes, but
I just thought, since you're here, yeah, we love it,
saying well, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Think it's really interesting, and particularly because it was it
was Cynthia's story and then Miranda winds up falling for
this non binary person. I think in my brain I
always wondered when that shift happened. I was like, Oh,
I wonder if they're specifically choosing this, either because everyone
(31:07):
loved Sarah so much or because they don't want it
to feel like they're copycatting Cynthia's real life. You know,
like that's interesting, you know, there's there's there's something I
don't know the answer. Yeah, and and by the way,
we don't have to. It's like not always for us.
I think what's really important. And I always say this
to people. When someone's like, oh my god, I'm Brook
(31:28):
Davis's biggest fan, I'm like, no, I'm Brook Davis's biggest,
your second biggest. You know, when when people are like,
Miranda wouldn't have done that, I'm like, I'm gonna I'm
gonna trust Cynthia and Michael's opinions about what Miranda would
or wouldn't do above anyone else's. I think what's really interesting,
And at least for me, it was a there was
(31:50):
a dissolution of you know, the the thing that I
worked so hard for and that I was so intentional about.
I actually think intentional to the point that I made
it something instead of necessarily taking stock of what was.
(32:12):
In hindsight, I'm like, wow, I really produced that so beautifully.
It was a really.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Incredible almost like in a Charlotte like you were going
to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yes, it was less for me about gender truly. Like
one of my best girlfriends was the one who was like,
he's not your guy, and I don't think a guy
is your guy. And I had always been like, whoever
is my person is my person, you know. But it
was really interesting to have someone who knows me so
(32:43):
well suggest something so specific. As it sort of started
to dawn on me, was Oh, I've been trying to
build safety, and I've been trying to build a life,
and I've been trying to build build build, build, make
make make And before I knew it, I was like, oh,
(33:03):
I just have intimacy here. I just I have someone
who sees me and asks me how I'm doing. I
didn't have that.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Before, right, So it wasn't necessarily this is so key
and interesting and this is what I do think. Yeah,
I do think Cynthia has said publicly already about her
situation it wasn't about the gender necessarily was about the person. Yes,
and I think that's a very important thing to say.
But I do think that one thing that happens for
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people in life is that you get an idea of
who you are and then you have walls up. Well
I can't be that person.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, well, and I think for me too. You know,
it's interesting the double standard for queer people in the spectrum, right,
Like men that are bisexual are told they're obviously just
gay and they have figured it out. Yes, women are
bisexual are immediately told like, oh, girls, experiment, that is
(34:04):
what it is, right. And so I think when if
you think you're if you think, or you feel or
you know that you're bisexual, and then you're told that
that's not really a thing unless you're like absolutely gay,
you go, well, I don't think I am, So maybe
I'm not really at all. Maybe maybe I'm like an
eighty twenty, maybe I'm whatever right your percentages are. And
(34:24):
then for me, I think a real thing was all
of a sudden, I was like, how could this be
like hitting me? It was like magical and really complicated,
you know, and and became hard I think for other
people's perceptions. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well, listen, this is also what I'm talking about with Miranda.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, yeah, people project under Miranda and project still very intense.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
It obsessed people.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, but when it dawned on me, it was like
a light switch went on and I was like, oh, well,
ever unsee that this is the most at ease I've
ever been around a person.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And isn't that what we all want?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And it's so gorgeous and I feel so grateful and
she absolutely saved my life.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Hmmm. Part of the reason I ask you is that
I do think each of us have such an unusual,
unique experience if we're open to it, right. And what
upsets me when people talk to me or get on
my Instagram and talk to me about Miranda. I don't
know why we have to keep things so closed.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It's so odd, right, And there's also this very weird
thing and this this bothered me about the discourse of
your second chapter of your show is people were like, oh,
they're doing too much. Oh, Like, Miranda's not just gonna
leave Steve, She's just gonna leave Steve for a non
binary person. Oh, like, you know, of course the teacher
is this person, and of course the realig or is it,
(35:52):
And it's like shut again, shut the fuck up, like
just get over yourselves. The world is different, people are different,
people have more awareness of each other, more overlap with
each other. Certainly in a city like New York. You
think this power lawyer isn't going to meet queer people
in New York City, definite.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
First, but also the other thing that cracks me up
is that our DNA is to do too much. That's
what we did with the first show, do you know
what I'm saying? Love that it just evolved, right, and
we couldn't do the same show because that wouldn't make sense, right,
So we had to But then everyone was like, oh,
but in the beginning of Sex and the City, everyone
was also like.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
You know, so, I mean, people couldn't believe.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Exactly, and everyone forgets that, right. So it will be
interesting to see over time what people if the discourse changes.
I have no idea. Obviously the discourse has moved on
because it goes very quickly, you know what I mean.
But thank you for answering that, because it was a
really beautiful answer, and I feel also and I mean,
Miranda's not a real person. It's also important to remember that.
But I think that what we wanted to show was
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that you just don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
You don't know. No, you never know what's coming. Yeah,
you never know what you never know what you're going
to learn, you never know how you're going to expand.
And I think the most important thing for me, having
been through my own version of it, is that as
hard as it was to say we've made a mistake,
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it's harder to stay in a life that stifles your growth,
that stifles your expansion, that that steps on your joy.
It's harder to live in a house where you walk
on eggshells every day. It's just not worth it. And
so what I think is actually really important, and for
whether it's for a character like her or you know,
(37:47):
for those of us who like for better or worse,
have lives. You know, in the in the public sector,
you you get to not only be courageous, but you
might get to be courageous in public and help someone
else be courageous too.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I agree, because I think it's it's just important to
remember that the world is large and you don't need
to limit yourself. No, no, and I think for all
the young people, you know, that's important to hear as well.
You don't know what that means exactly, but just stay open.
Staying open so key, which brings me to my last question.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Are you a Charlotte? I mean, oh my gosh, I
didn't used to think so. And let me tell you what.
Watching this episode, I was like, I didn't buy a book,
but I definitely like, I made a plan.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
You produced it, as you say, you know, yeah, we
really like.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And you know, in the kindest way possible. I think
you can get lost in that, yeah, you know, and
I think you know we did.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, I mean definitely. I think that you're obviously a
very you know, you're smart, and you're functioning, and you
were together. So when you want something, you're going to
pursue it, right, which is how Charlotte, you know, and
the way I don't know if you remember that Charlotte
proposes to herself and then she's all upset. You know,
she basically makes him propose. She very much intentionally, yes,
(39:14):
she intentionally makes it all happen, and then all of
a sudden she's like, oh no, it's not really what
I thought. But this is a great lesson to learn
and I love it. And I think so when you
said that you wouldn't have previously said that you were
who would you have said that you were before? Because
you can be different once at different times.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I've always sort of vacillated, you know, there are there
are parts of especially I think, like we were saying,
when we were younger, we all really identified with Carrie Moore.
As I've gotten older, I'm like, maybe there's I really
it's a lot of Miranda in me.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Actually that's what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, And it's funny. I think. I think, you know,
you go back and like we were saying, to watch
these sort of seminal shows from different life perspectives, to
relate to different very interesting. And what I think is
actually so cool is that I can look at pieces
of each of those women.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
And go, oh, yeah, definitely I see.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Myself in that. And I think I think it's the
genius of your show. There was something really magical that
you all did where it's like you sort of gave
us the Captain Planet women and their experiences, and when
you got together, then like this extra magic thing.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Happened, right right, That's what we wanted to do. Yeah,
really cool and we did it. I mean, yeah, I
love I think definitely I think different things when I
watch it.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Now, obviously, do you feel like you're a Charlotte? I mean, yeah,
you know, I guess because I am right, But I
always felt Carrie related in terms of her searching. Carrie
is a searcher. She's gonna search and examine and target
out to her And yeah, I think, I think. I
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mean that I think is such a really hugely important
part of her but also so relatable and a part
of love so much about her, you know, And yes,
she doesn't have it all worked out obviously, but she's
gonna know nobody does.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Nobody does, and I think why not try? Yea, And
to go and to and to search and to seek.
Sometimes it's a dead end and sometimes it's a discovery.
And I think the willingness to continue to show up,
to remain in the arena right as the adage goes
(41:34):
is really key. And it's it's a thing that I
cherish about those women that that you all played, and
it's a thing I've like really had to learn to
love and own about myself, Like I'm always going to try,
and I've finally learned, I think not to keep trying
(41:56):
just because I started.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Oh that's a good point too. Yeah, that's that's hard. Hard.
Sometimes that's hard.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I think people get stuck sometimes saying well, I chose this,
so I can't undo it. Yes you can.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Life is long, definitely, life is long, and you have
but never know what's coming. You don't, You don't. It's
so true. Let's talk a little bit, Sophia about what
you're up to. I know you have your work in
progress podcast. John McQueen's is wrapped.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yes, we wrapped. We watched the whole show back. Amazing,
so wild and surreal. Work in progress is evergreen and
so much fun. And I can't believe at the time
we're recording. My my guest last week was Vice President
Kamala Harris. Wow, I mean, totally nuts, amazing, amazing. Monica
Lewinsky's on this week, right, I just get to talk
(42:43):
to all of these really fascinating women, whether it's like
Chelsea Handler coming to make us laugh or Ava do
Verne talking.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
About filmmaking just oh a dream.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
One of my favorite conversations ever. So I just I
love I love doing that so much. I love this format.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
You me too. It is It's really fun. And then
acting wise, You're on Craze anatomy once.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Are you a doctor? Fun? I play a trauma surgeon,
trauma doctor, casspack man okay, overlaps with Teddy okay again,
stories talking about you know, awareness and intimacy.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I'm so thrilled about it. Kim Raver's a dream. We
have to dream.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
I don't know the characters names. I know Kim though,
she's let me tell her.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
We have so much fun.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
She's great, that's fun. Yay, yay. I can't wait to
see all your different things. How wonderful. Thank you, thanks
for being here.
Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know, are
you a Charlotte? Welcome back everybody to are you a Charlotte?
Part two? Thanks for joining us. Here we go. So
Carrie struggles mightily. She's Big through the binoculars. Big sees her.
Oh so I just feel so angry at Big through
(00:23):
this whole phase. I'm just like, Big, you're a mess
and you need to leave her alone. A mess, a mess,
And that poor.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wife reminds me of He reminds me of Jasper in
the Holiday?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Which one is Jasper?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Jasper is the man who comes to see Kate Winslet
when she's on her Christmas holiday in La Right, is
it Jude or the other?
Speaker 1 (00:44):
No?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
No, he's a I don't know some English because it's
Jack Black and Jude Law.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Incredible actress.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And he is like, I've just missed you and let's
go on holiday and this, that and the other. And
then she's like, wait, are you still engaged to be married?
I just wish you could understand how hard this all
is for me.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I'm so confused.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I just watched it last weekend.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
In my moment, it's very similar.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
I watch it like four times every Chris West. Wow,
but my god, it's like you are with Natasha. You
chose Natasha, leave carry alone. And by the way, if
you think you made a mistake, then leave that woman
and apologize and.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Then move on. He's gonna do it, but he's gonna
do it in the worst possible, messy, messy way.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
It's like, say the thing and go totally.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The mess is so unnecessary.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
I agree, but I also feel they're not They're only
as mature as they are, right, they can't, you know
what I mean. And she doesn't really get as much
excuse because he's older and whatever. But like Carrie, you know,
and this is what I love about Carrie, So the
thing that I love and I so relate to all
of it. Right, So she rushes out of the opera,
(01:54):
and then she tries to call Aiden and she gets
the voicemail. And you know, this is before texting. Really
we weren't really texting a lot, right, So then she
hasn't heard from him for two days, and she fully
spins out because previously they'd been like joined at the hip, right,
that's phase of the like the honeymoon of the relationship.
Weeping over every night, right, and now she's just spinning, spinning, spinning,
(02:15):
and you feel so bad for her, like that's about
her own you know, development, and like what she can't
quite be with right, And so then she thinks she's
She says to him like we just were too available
to each other, which I kind of get, right, like
when you're just totally with someone, kind of taking them
for granted. And she thinks, like, I just need a
little space. Whatever. She gets a little space, and then
(02:35):
he doesn't ed to the phone, and she's like, oh,
what did I do? I totally totally relate. Okay, wait
and then wait. In the very end, she goes to
see him with his adorable little parents. Cute. They're so cute,
which is so rare. We never see parents in our
show never ever ever.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
You know what I like about that moment She goes
and instead of going in, yeah, the knock on the window,
and she gives.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Him a choice.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
She gives him the choice, and she's really vulnerable. She
runs him through her whole spin. She doesn't try to
hide it now, she doesn't play it cool. Yes, she's
like I thought this, and then I thought this, and
then I thought this, and then I got scared and
then I wasn't sure, and so now I'm here, and
if you don't want me to be here, I'll leave.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Yes, it's amazing, it's it is.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Actually, you're right. She's learning a lesson in real time
and being honest about the lesson. Right. And when she
says I flipped my stomach all by myself.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
That's so good. That's so good, big lesson, so so good,
so so good. So here, let's go to Charlotte for
a second, because Charlotte, Oh, Charlotte, Charlotte, Charlotte. She is
a funny girl sometimes, you know, I look back at
her and I'm just like, wow, I remember it, but
I don't remember all of it.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
JD.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I mean like, I didn't I remember meeting Kyle Trey
and I didn't remember that.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I go to the bar where the Dennis is there.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Yes, I think Phil, the single guy's gonna be there,
but the married guy's going to be there, and I'm like, what, Yeah,
it's so funny to me.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
And by the way, it's he's him and big same yeah,
and it is that thing. And it was so funny
because as soon as you went to dinner with them.
I was like, oh my god, it's Dennis because I
remember the storyline, and I remember thinking how crazy it was,
you know, watching the show in college, because it was
(04:24):
it was that like fall of two thousand that Brenna
and I lived on the fifth floor together and we
started watching the show and caught up, and then we'd
watch it every weekend when the episodes were there, and
I remember being like, that's insane, no one would ever
do that, and then in my thirties being like, oh,
that's happened. I've seen this happen. I've had it happen.
My friends have had this happen. Like men are insane,
(04:47):
It's true, and oh my god, like what is wrong
with you guys? And so there was something so crazy
about watching the episode ahead of this and going or
it's join us. And then as an actor, I watched
every little choice he made and I was like, there
it is, there it is. It's like the sixth sense
(05:08):
when you know you go back and watch the movie
and you see it everywhere, and I knew, and I
was like then in my head, I was like, what
does she do?
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Does she hit him with her purse? I feel like
it's a scene push him or do I slap him?
What do I slap him? I meant, which is so crazy?
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I love it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
I generally, as an actor, I hate to slap people
because I feel like I know how to do it.
I went to you know, acting school. But I feel like,
in life, how often do you slap or be slapped?
It's very rare.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
I've slapped one person.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I don't think in life I've ever slapt anyone that
I can think of right now, certainly not since I've
been sober. Yeah, people write it into film and TV
to a fair amount, and I'm always like, oh, does
it need to be that with this thought was great
because also she she's Charlotte, right, she doesn't see this coming,
(06:04):
no one little bit, And it feels like.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
You really like tried to slap some sense into it, right,
literal phrase right Like.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
I liked the way I did it because it was like,
you're just stop out of it. It was a snap
out of it share type moment, yes, right, which is ye.
She says that might be the best lap ever. Anyway,
Then this was the great part because all I remember
about this was that my goal was to get to
falling in the street. I picked that lipstick skirt. I
(06:31):
was on the plane home to LA. I was looking
through the magazines like we used to do, you know,
the paper magazines. And I saw the product ad with
the product lipstick skirt, and I called Pat. You know,
the plane hadn't taken off. Called Pat and I was like, Pat,
I need to get this Proda lipstick skirt. She goes, oh, like,
I don't think we can get it. You know, if
you ever meet has a very deep voice, you know,
(06:53):
I was like, ah, I can't even really do it. Justice.
She says, we have to have five of them because
whenever you're going to fall into a street that's wet,
because they have to wet everything down right, you don't
know what's going to happen. So she's like, we have
to find five of them. I don't know if we can.
I said, I'll go look because at that point I
was already my protoholic self, and I had a discount
at Product. No, yes, I still have it. Not the
(07:15):
wood okay, not the wood man. Oh, I know it's good,
so good, it's so good. And so I went I
think I might have gone in LA and New York.
And then they had to call around and try to
find them, like through Europe and down to the wire.
We didn't know if we'd have enough. Noah, can I
tell you something amazing? Yes, I have one. Yes, we
(07:35):
should wear them together. Oh I have it. You have
the lipstick? Yes, amazing.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
It was a thrilling acquisition for my little vintage collection.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Great job and you it's like safe, gorgeous good. Yeah,
because you can never find them. No.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I feel so lucky to have it. It's such an
iconic piece. And when we when we were solidifying today's date,
I was.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Like, no, I'm already in LA and it's at home
in New York.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
I was so sad about it.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
That's okay, we we know we each other had a
wonderful thing. I remember at the wrap party of this season,
because we'd had five and I made sure to get
one right. One of Pat's friends came up and said,
I'm so excited I got a lipstick shirt. And I'm
like what. It was so mad. It's like, wait, whatw I.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Know?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
But I'm sure she's enjoying it. Anyway. When I fell
in the street, we only needed one. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
nothing ripped, nothing tore. It was all fine. That bag
I have a little Prada like bowling bag. I feel
like they called it is black and white that was
borrowed from Prada. The shirt I believe I have, it's
like just a very basic I think the one I'm
(08:49):
wearing there is just a very basic, like three quarter
leafs length thing. I think I still have this sleeve length.
I think I still have that too. But I fall
an adorable, adorable Cale is.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
There to help me up every night and sh.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I know, and just so handsome. But it's also so
funny because we're very the way they filmed it, I'm
sure it was five am. I love like that we
shot on Super sixteen, so like when the street lights
go like wacky, that's why, right, because it's like old film, you.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Know, beautiful. You get the haze and the pinwheel.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Exactly so beautiful, and they the way they pan around,
I mean, and he just could not have been more perfect, obviously,
like a dream come true, a dream come true. And
then I've said this many times. I'm just say this
in case someone hasn't listened. The idea was that he
was only going to do five episodes. No, yes, the
idea is that he was only going to do five
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know that, yes, and that he Trey was going to
be very, very boring, and that all the friends would
be like, oh God, you know who's going to talk
to Trey, But he was Kyle and he couldn't. It
was isn't that just he's so yummy beyond and so
interesting and he does things with such a very subtle twist.
(10:07):
And they knew that he was going to have a
mess up relationship with his mom and that there was
going to be some problems in the bedroom. But also
he was supposed to also be boring in regular life,
but he just couldn't pull that part off because he
was him and I was just like, this guy can't leave,
you know what I mean? And everyone else felt the
same way. So he stayed, thank goodness, and we did
(10:29):
many different things. But obviously he had to go eventually,
which was said but needed to happen so that Harry
could come and so that Charlotte could learn yes, yes, yes,
indeed no yes.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Well to allow you to build the life you think
you want and realize it's not for you, that's a
profound lesson. Yeah, And having been through that now as
an adult, I wish, I wish the gravity of it
(11:01):
had hit me sooner as a viewer.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Yeah, but I also feel like you don't.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
You can't.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
You can watch something and feel like, oh, that's amazing
and so right on, but until you go through it.
If you need to go through that, there's nothing. There's
no substitute you really you.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Can't learn a lesson until you learn it. And the
thing that I think I've realized, and it feels very
true for your story as Charlotte, is no matter what
fear you feel, you can usually explain something away or
work on it or whatever. You can't know that you're
in a cul de sact until you drive to the
(11:37):
end of the street and realize you can't get out
unless you turn around.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
That's true for sure.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Yeah, And I think there are there are moments where
winding up on a cul de sac in your life
is really meant to teach you something. And I think
Charlotte had that. I know I had that. I definitely
I can see that character journey for women I've played
on screen as well. And I yeah, I think it
(12:02):
rings so true for so many people because so many
of us have versions of it. Are I agree?
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, I mean that's well put and I think It's
interesting because you don't necessarily know that you don't want
to be on that cul de sac till you're fully,
fully on it, right, Because some people want to be
on a call de sac. Yeah, you know, some people
wants to get there. It's harder than they might have thought.
But they do think all the things like I need
to work on myself, I need to whatever it is right,
(12:31):
and that if that is the thing that they really
really want, then they do need to figure out a
way to make that work out, I guess. But then
also sometimes that is not what you really want. And
that's the key I think to be most in tuned
with yourself, truly deeply about that, you know, which is
not easy. I don't think that's easy. It's and I
(12:53):
also think the conditioning, it's very hard to separate your
internal desires from your conditioning because you've been conditioned since
the day you were born.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, and you think that's what you want. Yeah, you
don't need the difference, say this is my desire, this
is my goal. It's I don't think you know it
isn't or that perhaps it's the right goal in the
wrong iteration or whatever. Until you're in it and the
thing that's supposed to make you feel full feels hollow,
and you go, oh.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
No, Well that's the key, right, that's the key is
when you're actually in it. How do you feel? How
do you feel? Do you feel miserable? Do you feel hollow?
Do you feel like any of those bad things? Because
there's really no amount of work you can do on
yourself that's going to fix feeling hollow.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
No, there's no amount of work you can do on
yourself that's going to ease the eggshells you walk on
in the wrong house.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Well, egg shehlls. That's a different situation. Eggshells sucks so bad. Yes, no,
egg shells very bad. Run any women who are listening
to this run away from any eggshell feeling boo A
million times of boo on egg shells. Right, eggshells is
different for sure than hollow. I think right, like hollow
(14:05):
and hollow. If I were in a situation and I
felt hollow, which is rare, I would I don't even
know if I would even get myself into a situation
that I felt hollow in it, But if I did,
I would have to ask myself, am I blocking off?
Am I? So? Is this threatening me somehow where I'm
having to shut off my feelings because I have so
many big feelings at all times. If I really felt nothing,
(14:28):
I would have to examine that, right, Like why am
I actually feeling nothing? You know what I'm saying? That
would be an odd thing and worth examining. But if
I did examine it, and I realized, oh, that's because
this is a like if Charlotte had stayed with Trey
maybe and I have to I haven't rewatched yet. When
Kyle was here, we talked about some of the things
that happened, like the Cardboard Baby and things I only
(14:48):
vaguely remember it right, like it was a lot. It
was a lot of plot that I hadn't experienced in
life yet, and my friends hadn't really gone through either,
like the IVF for all of that later later on,
many people I know did that, but and it's a
whole thing, and I don't know that I did it justice.
I'm really anxious to rewatch. But also he talked about
(15:09):
something when we weren't sure, and I think the writers
were trying to carve out what was actually going to happen.
And I know he was so great to work with
and we were so connected that I was felt very connected.
I never felt hollow, but I do remember that there
was that time, and I also knew he had to
go right, which was sad. But like that time when
you just know that you and the other person don't
(15:30):
want the same thing, and then no amount of love
is going to fix that, or attraction or whatever it
might be, right, no amount of perfectness is going to
make you want the same thing. Yeah, And if you
don't want the same thing, you can't stay with that person, yes,
because you will be giving up what you want in theory, right,
and that's not something that you should do. No.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
There's a difference between compromising and compromising yourself, absolutely, And
I think the conditioning comes in, especially for women, because
we are often conditioned to compromise to the point of compromise.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
It's true because no one says to us, don't do it.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Yeah, And when you realize it's shifted from healthy compromise,
right too, I'm compromising, right.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
You think, like, do I recognize myself? I mean, I
have been in those situations where you know someone's asking
me to do something or to give up something or whatever,
and I have to say, like, wait, I worked my
whole life to create this and you want me to
quit doing it? Really Like I was in a relationship
where my significant other wanted me to quit acting, and
(16:43):
I was so burnt at the time. It was after
the show and just burnt out, so tired, so tired,
where I was like, well maybe, you know, I had
that tired thought of like maybe I could give it
up and live this adventurous life with this person. And
then later on I thought what it was. I thinking, yeah,
(17:03):
I would miss it so badly if I actually give
it up. Also, you can't really give it up and
go back. It's not that kind of job, do you
know what I'm saying? Yeah, Like that's it. If you
walk away, you walk away. And then I did also
think that when when adopted my first child and I
ran into Julian Moore. This is another example of like
the things I love about our business. Yeah, Randa is
(17:23):
Julian Moore, and she said, how is it, you know,
how's it going? And I said, oh, it's so great,
it's so great. I feel so bad being gone. And
she said, you know that's okay, They're gonna be fine.
You have to tell yourself they're going to be fine.
You're only gone for a tiny second in their mind, right,
You're going to be back. And I said, I just
feel like maybe I should take a break from acting.
She said, don't do it. I said, don't do it.
(17:44):
And she had two children at that point. She said,
do not do it. I have friends who have done it.
They can never get back in.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's like, oh, thank you, Julianne, thank you Julie, Because
like you have those moments where you're just like tired
or tired, an you do need time to recuperate.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And I think that's different though than going like me,
I'm kind of an all or nothing right where I'm like,
I'm so tired, maybe I don't want to do it anymore.
But that's just how tired you are, right, That's how
tired you are.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
And then you go like what was I thinking?
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Right? Because also sometimes the well gets dry.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, if your tank is empty, you can't give give.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Yeah, there's nothing to draw on or whatever. You have
to refill the tank. But that's different than quitting. Yes,
very different, Yes, very different.
Speaker 2 (18:31):
You can convince yourself like, oh I might just be
permanently empty.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
You're not right, But that's also like a just you're
just so tired you can't you know, function or whatever.
You know. Let's talk about Samantha for a second, because
this interested me. This storyline. I didn't remember the storyline.
(18:55):
She basically is with this very hot athletic dude who's
taking my aggro and he gives her some and then
she has this incredible orgasm. And I remember a moment
in time where they talked about giving viagra to women
for you know, pleasure, right, And I don't know what
happened with it, do you I sure?
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Do you do?
Speaker 1 (19:15):
I do? Let's hear it.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
So this is actually really interesting. Okay, My one of
my girlfriends, Cindy Eckert, is an amazing entrepreneur, and she
created Addie, which is the female viagra.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And when they were working on, you know, advocating for
this for research dollars for you know, the FDA to
actually address the medication.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
As we know, there's almost no research dollars given to
women's issues.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yes, women were not even included in a clinical trial
until nineteen ninety three. Wow, which is insane considering we
are fifty one percent of the population and we also
deserve healthcare. Yes, less than three percent of all healthcare
dollars go to women, So I mean, it's really it's
so of health like research dollars. I should say, someone's
gonna yell at me for speaking incorrectly off the cuff.
(20:05):
But the fascinating thing I learned from Cindy is that,
you know, her team learned that viagra had been given
emergency clearance by the FDA. It was said to be such.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
An important medication, oh my.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Gosh, so important to humanity that it went through FDA
clearance in six months. And she said, well, if you
gave it to the men, give it to the women.
And I won't say who, because I likewise respect other
people's stories. But an elected official like on Capitol Hill
looked her in the eye and said, what do we
(20:44):
want a bunch of horny women when around for ew
And Cindy, to her credit she's a baller, looked at
this guy and said, well, do you want your wife
to want to have sex with you or not? Yes,
she's amazing, amazing, and yeah, she has been doing all
this incredible advocacy for women's health, women's sexual health, all
(21:06):
of it. And I think it's so interesting that you know,
the idea that men might not be able to have
sex at any moment they want to. It was an emergency,
but women deserving health care for their sexual and reproductive
function is still very brown, paper bag bottom Shelf inane conversation,
(21:27):
and so she has a doc called the Pink Pill
that's coming out, and she's just like out here doing
this work. And so through our friendship, I've really I've
just learned so much about it. And so I was
watching this episode going, oh my god, I know, sweet,
can you get it? You can?
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Oh, wow, that's great, that's great.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
But it was essentially the medication was bought by a
you know, larger company, and then Shelf and Cindy fought
to get it back. WHOA, Yeah, she's amazing.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
That is amazing. I want to see her job.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
But it was such a cool thing to watch the
episode thinking like, oh my god, I wish that there
had been anything for women at the time, and I
sort of love that, you know, Samantha's storyline and Kim
being such a great committed actress, she really leaned in
on it and to play the desperation of you can't
(22:27):
take this away from me, because he's making this better
for me. She did it so comedically, but knowing what
I know thanks to Cindy, I was like, Oh, there's
a whole other layer to this and Darren Starr doing
such a genius thing in the writing of this episode,
connecting that like gorgeous high note at the opera, like
(22:48):
going straight into Samantha orgasm. I literally put in my notes,
I go opera to orgasm is a ten out of
ten for.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It was good. It was really good, such a good hole. Yeah,
it was beautiful. It was beautiful. It did make me
wonder because I've been remember it being discussed like in
the news, I feel like, and then it just kind
of went away, which is interesting, right, we didn't talk
about Miranda and Steve, like try to talk about Miranda
and Steve before time. I know they're incredible, they're incredible,
(23:15):
but but literally, but I vaguely remember the storyline because
I was kind of horrified.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I was am was just like, oh God, I.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Know we're talking you guys about the skid marks. Okay,
everyone's gonna know who's seen it. I know. And the
thing that's interesting about it, and I love the writing again,
is that basically Miranda, who has been struggling with you know,
kind of Steve's committedness and availability and all of the
(23:49):
things that's also reflected in the Aiden Carry relationship. So
she there, he is at home, and you know, she's
telling all the rest of us that he's predictable and safe,
but she loves them about him, which is like, wow, right,
big growth exactly, and that her favorite thing to do
on Saturday night is to do is laundry, and we're like,
whoa gosh, Miranda. And then she's there. They're eating lasagna
(24:14):
and having sex and watching TV and everything's great. And
then she's doing the laundry and she comes across skid
marks in his underwear, which is you know, just like, uh,
you know, it's a lot, it's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah,
and he it is. To me, it's kind of and
I don't have a lot of experience with this, but
it's a little bit like, you know, the kid element
(24:35):
of Steve. The episode where he's watching Scooby Doo it's coming,
you know, like there's a theme going on where she
he wants to have a baby, and she's like, I
already have a baby, and I think she's Carrie says
that in voice over Marianda. Really she already had a baby,
already had a baby. I think this is a little
bit like that too. Also, and also like my thought was,
(24:57):
why isn't he doing the laundry?
Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:00):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Well, it is that it's an elemental thing that it
seems the writers want to weave in, which is is
this man a little juvenile?
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
And it's reflective of that larger thing, which we know
that so many women feel like they become their husband's mothers, right,
you know. I read this whole read on Threads on
the day before Thanksgiving, and this woman was like, I asked,
I asked. My husband asked me if he could help.
I said, yes, please handle all the you know or dervs,
(25:30):
like the morning snacks. And he said, what if I
drive you to the store. Can you go in and
get them? I don't know what to get. And she
was like driving me to the store isn't helpful. Also,
it's taking like I need to be here prepping. I'm
not doing nothing. I'm prepping all of the food. You
offered to help, just go get something and he couldn't
(25:50):
do it, And she was like, I've done this for
thirteen years. And it's kind of my fault. And I'm
also fed up. And it was really interesting to watch
all the women in the discussion, and I thought about
it watching these scenes because she does love him and
he is absolutely fine reverting to letting the woman do
(26:11):
everything for him, and it is that kind of generational
learning pressure. Girls get one set and boys get another.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Well, look, I've got a seven year old boy right
and he'll say. I'll say, like, can you do X,
Y or Z? And he'll go, I'm kicking my ball
right now.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
And You're like.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
And I'm like, yes, yes, I see that you're kicking
your ball right now. I mean, like, what I'm trying
to say is you're, as a mom my feeling at
this point in time at least, is that you're trying
to create something that doesn't exist in them. Yes, which
is interesting. I don't know enough about the science of
their brain and where their brain is right now to
(26:57):
know why it doesn't exist in them, because it would
be sure. I have an older daughter, right but if
I would have said to her, you know, can you
set the table? I kind of think she would have
said yes and just done it, do you know what
I mean? So it's interesting, and then you're in the
mom position of going, Okay, intellectually, I know that I
need to calmly reinforce that he needs to participate in helping,
(27:20):
but also it is easier for me to actually do it. Yes,
but that is then the way this all continues. Right.
But it's a very fascinating thing. And I think about
it a lot as being a mom, because you feel
the responsibility. Okay, I've got to try to raise like
an empathetic functioning you know, kid slash young man who's
(27:41):
going to be doing these things and not be expecting
the woman in his life to do them. Yeah, but
it's hard.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
It's so hard.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I don't know why, but it really is.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
And I think it's a great thing that they did,
that your writers did exploring this stuff with this relationship
because they're asking this ex essential questions so much. And
you know, Miranda is talking about what it's like to
have this healthy intimacy that she loves, and also when
when does intimacy go so far that it cancels the
(28:15):
intimacy out absolutely? On their walk and talk, yeah, you
know those great scenes, she's like, Oh, I think I
think the intimacy is over now right right right, you
know they're in it right, And I love the conversation
between Miranda and Carrie on that side.
Speaker 1 (28:29):
They're always so great, so great. I know, they're so great.
I would love to cut all of those walking talks
between Miranda and carry together from the beginning till the end.
I mean, if we are really done. I don't know,
but they're always so amazing, and I would have to
throw in one that's not a walk and talk, which
is this argument they get into and just like that
after my birthday party, which is one of my most
(28:50):
favorite scenes ever. But I need to ask you about something,
and I don't know if I should or not, but
I kind of want you because you have a unique
life experience where you can speak to a Miranda issue
that I would love to know your thoughts on. You
have talked about this, so I feel like it's okay,
but you can tell me if it's not. So you
(29:12):
to all the exterior world, were in a heterosexual relationship
and then suddenly you were not in that relationship anymore,
and you were in a lesbian relationship. And this can happen, correct,
So you know, Miranda, this happens to Miranda right, And
it also happened to Cynthia, right, which they're different, they're different,
(29:35):
they're not the same. But when it happened to Cynthia
and she kind of got outed, which we don't even
need to get into because it's old history. But one
time I went on Letterman and I was supposed to
just be promoting the show. I think now one thing
led to another, and he wanted to talk about how
could Cynthia just wake up one day and be gay? Wow?
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yes, so do I think because it's a man's worst nightmare.
I think that's exactly right.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
I was like, are you worried? Day? What's the issue
going on?
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
You know what I mean? Right? It is interesting the
floating fears that people have and then project onto people,
and many, many, many of our fans believe that Miranda,
(30:26):
that that is not what Miranda would have done, or
that that is that we were somehow being untrue to
the character. We don't feel this way. I know Cynthia
doesn't feel this way. I know Michael Patrick, who wrote
it doesn't feel this way. What I'm saying, yes, but
I just thought, since you're here, yeah, we love it,
saying well, you know, I.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Think it's really interesting, and particularly because it was it
was Cynthia's story and then Miranda winds up falling for
this non binary person. I think in my brain I
always wondered when that shift happened. I was like, Oh,
I wonder if they're specifically choosing this, either because everyone
(31:07):
loved Sarah so much or because they don't want it
to feel like they're copycatting Cynthia's real life. You know,
like that's interesting, you know, there's there's there's something I
don't know the answer. Yeah, and and by the way,
we don't have to. It's like not always for us.
I think what's really important. And I always say this
to people. When someone's like, oh my god, I'm Brook
(31:28):
Davis's biggest fan, I'm like, no, I'm Brook Davis's biggest,
your second biggest. You know, when when people are like,
Miranda wouldn't have done that, I'm like, I'm gonna I'm
gonna trust Cynthia and Michael's opinions about what Miranda would
or wouldn't do above anyone else's. I think what's really interesting,
And at least for me, it was a there was
(31:50):
a dissolution of you know, the the thing that I
worked so hard for and that I was so intentional about.
I actually think intentional to the point that I made
it something instead of necessarily taking stock of what was.
(32:12):
In hindsight, I'm like, wow, I really produced that so beautifully.
It was a really.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Incredible almost like in a Charlotte like you were going
to make that happen.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yes, it was less for me about gender truly. Like
one of my best girlfriends was the one who was like,
he's not your guy, and I don't think a guy
is your guy. And I had always been like, whoever
is my person is my person, you know. But it
was really interesting to have someone who knows me so
(32:43):
well suggest something so specific. As it sort of started
to dawn on me, was Oh, I've been trying to
build safety, and I've been trying to build a life,
and I've been trying to build build build, build, make
make make And before I knew it, I was like, oh,
(33:03):
I just have intimacy here. I just I have someone
who sees me and asks me how I'm doing. I
didn't have that.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Before, right, So it wasn't necessarily this is so key
and interesting and this is what I do think. Yeah,
I do think Cynthia has said publicly already about her
situation it wasn't about the gender necessarily was about the person. Yes,
and I think that's a very important thing to say.
But I do think that one thing that happens for
(33:36):
people in life is that you get an idea of
who you are and then you have walls up. Well
I can't be that person.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Yeah, well, and I think for me too. You know,
it's interesting the double standard for queer people in the spectrum, right,
Like men that are bisexual are told they're obviously just
gay and they have figured it out. Yes, women are
bisexual are immediately told like, oh, girls, experiment, that is
(34:04):
what it is, right. And so I think when if
you think you're if you think, or you feel or
you know that you're bisexual, and then you're told that
that's not really a thing unless you're like absolutely gay,
you go, well, I don't think I am, So maybe
I'm not really at all. Maybe maybe I'm like an
eighty twenty, maybe I'm whatever right your percentages are. And
(34:24):
then for me, I think a real thing was all
of a sudden, I was like, how could this be
like hitting me? It was like magical and really complicated,
you know, and and became hard I think for other
people's perceptions. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
Well, listen, this is also what I'm talking about with Miranda.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Well, yeah, people project under Miranda and project still very intense.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
It obsessed people.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, but when it dawned on me, it was like
a light switch went on and I was like, oh, well,
ever unsee that this is the most at ease I've
ever been around a person.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And isn't that what we all want?
Speaker 2 (35:06):
And it's so gorgeous and I feel so grateful and
she absolutely saved my life.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Hmmm. Part of the reason I ask you is that
I do think each of us have such an unusual,
unique experience if we're open to it, right. And what
upsets me when people talk to me or get on
my Instagram and talk to me about Miranda. I don't
know why we have to keep things so closed.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
It's so odd, right, And there's also this very weird
thing and this this bothered me about the discourse of
your second chapter of your show is people were like, oh,
they're doing too much. Oh, Like, Miranda's not just gonna
leave Steve, She's just gonna leave Steve for a non
binary person. Oh, like, you know, of course the teacher
is this person, and of course the realig or is it,
(35:52):
And it's like shut again, shut the fuck up, like
just get over yourselves. The world is different, people are different,
people have more awareness of each other, more overlap with
each other. Certainly in a city like New York. You
think this power lawyer isn't going to meet queer people
in New York City, definite.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
First, but also the other thing that cracks me up
is that our DNA is to do too much. That's
what we did with the first show, do you know
what I'm saying? Love that it just evolved, right, and
we couldn't do the same show because that wouldn't make sense, right,
So we had to But then everyone was like, oh,
but in the beginning of Sex and the City, everyone
was also like.
Speaker 2 (36:35):
You know, so, I mean, people couldn't believe.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Exactly, and everyone forgets that, right. So it will be
interesting to see over time what people if the discourse changes.
I have no idea. Obviously the discourse has moved on
because it goes very quickly, you know what I mean.
But thank you for answering that, because it was a
really beautiful answer, and I feel also and I mean,
Miranda's not a real person. It's also important to remember that.
But I think that what we wanted to show was
(36:59):
that you just don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
You don't know. No, you never know what's coming. Yeah,
you never know what you never know what you're going
to learn, you never know how you're going to expand.
And I think the most important thing for me, having
been through my own version of it, is that as
hard as it was to say we've made a mistake,
(37:27):
it's harder to stay in a life that stifles your growth,
that stifles your expansion, that that steps on your joy.
It's harder to live in a house where you walk
on eggshells every day. It's just not worth it. And
so what I think is actually really important, and for
whether it's for a character like her or you know,
(37:47):
for those of us who like for better or worse,
have lives. You know, in the in the public sector,
you you get to not only be courageous, but you
might get to be courageous in public and help someone
else be courageous too.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I agree, because I think it's it's just important to
remember that the world is large and you don't need
to limit yourself. No, no, and I think for all
the young people, you know, that's important to hear as well.
You don't know what that means exactly, but just stay open.
Staying open so key, which brings me to my last question.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
Are you a Charlotte? I mean, oh my gosh, I
didn't used to think so. And let me tell you what.
Watching this episode, I was like, I didn't buy a book,
but I definitely like, I made a plan.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
You produced it, as you say, you know, yeah, we
really like.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
And you know, in the kindest way possible. I think
you can get lost in that, yeah, you know, and
I think you know we did.
Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah, I mean definitely. I think that you're obviously a
very you know, you're smart, and you're functioning, and you
were together. So when you want something, you're going to
pursue it, right, which is how Charlotte, you know, and
the way I don't know if you remember that Charlotte
proposes to herself and then she's all upset. You know,
she basically makes him propose. She very much intentionally, yes,
(39:14):
she intentionally makes it all happen, and then all of
a sudden she's like, oh no, it's not really what
I thought. But this is a great lesson to learn
and I love it. And I think so when you
said that you wouldn't have previously said that you were
who would you have said that you were before? Because
you can be different once at different times.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
I've always sort of vacillated, you know, there are there
are parts of especially I think, like we were saying,
when we were younger, we all really identified with Carrie Moore.
As I've gotten older, I'm like, maybe there's I really
it's a lot of Miranda in me.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Actually that's what you're gonna say.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Yeah, yeah, And it's funny. I think. I think, you know,
you go back and like we were saying, to watch
these sort of seminal shows from different life perspectives, to
relate to different very interesting. And what I think is
actually so cool is that I can look at pieces
of each of those women.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
And go, oh, yeah, definitely I see.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
Myself in that. And I think I think it's the
genius of your show. There was something really magical that
you all did where it's like you sort of gave
us the Captain Planet women and their experiences, and when
you got together, then like this extra magic thing.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Happened, right right, That's what we wanted to do. Yeah,
really cool and we did it. I mean, yeah, I
love I think definitely I think different things when I
watch it.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
You know.
Speaker 1 (40:38):
Now, obviously, do you feel like you're a Charlotte? I mean, yeah,
you know, I guess because I am right, But I
always felt Carrie related in terms of her searching. Carrie
is a searcher. She's gonna search and examine and target
out to her And yeah, I think, I think. I
(40:59):
mean that I think is such a really hugely important
part of her but also so relatable and a part
of love so much about her, you know, And yes,
she doesn't have it all worked out obviously, but she's
gonna know nobody does.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
Nobody does, and I think why not try? Yea, And
to go and to and to search and to seek.
Sometimes it's a dead end and sometimes it's a discovery.
And I think the willingness to continue to show up,
to remain in the arena right as the adage goes
(41:34):
is really key. And it's it's a thing that I
cherish about those women that that you all played, and
it's a thing I've like really had to learn to
love and own about myself, Like I'm always going to try,
and I've finally learned, I think not to keep trying
(41:56):
just because I started.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Oh that's a good point too. Yeah, that's that's hard. Hard.
Sometimes that's hard.
Speaker 2 (42:01):
I think people get stuck sometimes saying well, I chose this,
so I can't undo it. Yes you can.
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Life is long, definitely, life is long, and you have
but never know what's coming. You don't, You don't. It's
so true. Let's talk a little bit, Sophia about what
you're up to. I know you have your work in
progress podcast. John McQueen's is wrapped.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
Yes, we wrapped. We watched the whole show back. Amazing,
so wild and surreal. Work in progress is evergreen and
so much fun. And I can't believe at the time
we're recording. My my guest last week was Vice President
Kamala Harris. Wow, I mean, totally nuts, amazing, amazing. Monica
Lewinsky's on this week, right, I just get to talk
(42:43):
to all of these really fascinating women, whether it's like
Chelsea Handler coming to make us laugh or Ava do
Verne talking.
Speaker 1 (42:50):
About filmmaking just oh a dream.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
One of my favorite conversations ever. So I just I
love I love doing that so much. I love this format.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
You me too. It is It's really fun. And then
acting wise, You're on Craze anatomy once.
Speaker 2 (43:05):
Are you a doctor? Fun? I play a trauma surgeon,
trauma doctor, casspack man okay, overlaps with Teddy okay again,
stories talking about you know, awareness and intimacy.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Fantastic.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I'm so thrilled about it. Kim Raver's a dream. We
have to dream.
Speaker 1 (43:24):
I don't know the characters names. I know Kim though,
she's let me tell her.
Speaker 2 (43:27):
We have so much fun.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
She's great, that's fun. Yay, yay. I can't wait to
see all your different things. How wonderful. Thank you, thanks
for being here.
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Kristin Davis
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