Full Show Podcast: 26 June 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
like the My Costing Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate doing
real estate differently since nineteen seventy three. News talks head been.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Monni and welcome today the COVID inquiry Part two and
they agree to disagree trigger. The Mari Wards bill is go.
The Julian Nossange case is sorted via Saipan. The rugby
union still losing money. The record labels are suing AI startups.
Mark and Jinny do politics Wednesday, Joe McKenna does Italy
and end of Brady is your go to in the
UK Cosking. So, good morning, seven past six. We've got

(00:34):
a twenty percent increase in the import value of low
value goods. What does that mean? So this is out
of the GDP figures last week, and like all complex figures,
you get winners and losers. Now one of the winners
were these goods that had been bought by us and
brought into the country. Timu and the like is your
answer cheap online crap? We spent up big on in

(00:55):
a cost of living crisis. This seems we still have
the wherewithal to buy bollocks. Oh, I'll argue that's because
New Zealand's so expensive. Why would I buy something here
for fifty bucks if I can get it for twenty
four dollars online. Fair question, But what we will never
know is are you buying the same thing literally or
a knockoff, something similar but not quite as good. The
morals of expenditure are always interesting to me. If you

(01:15):
hold a poll and talk about supporting locally made products,
people are always going to answer yes or try and
convince you it's important to them. But follow the money
money goes to places like China when we buy the stuff.
Do we think about the factories, the workers, the conditions.
Of course we don't. I mean we would say we do.
Of course we were, but we don't. Local shops are
closing and record numbers at the moment while it's a shut,
and yet as the figure show, they aren't shut. The

(01:37):
credit cards are fired up and shuffling funds off to
TMU and Amazon and Shean or Shine or whatever they
want to call themselves. Fashion similar the industry started talking
of getting rid of fast fashion, of buying quality, of
making stuff, last, of not buying crap and then tossing
it in a landfill. There was another campaign that went nowhere.
Remember buy key. We made another virtuous idea that sounded

(01:59):
good until nothing's changed. It seems we're addicted to buying stuff.
And the reason China and the likes have a hold
on us the way it does is because they read
our minds. They give us what we want, things that
don't cost much delivered to our door to make us
feel good about ourselves. I'd ask whether anyone really cares
about the various mixed messages involved in all of that,
the hypocrisy, or the inconsistency, or the absurdity. But there's

(02:22):
no point the twenty percent answers any questions we might
like to pose.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
News of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
In ninety seven, things have gone a bit pear shaped
and Kenyad government want to day crack at some tax
increases didn't go down too well.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's escalating very very quickly. I mean, just to think
that lovet we two protests were killed and now we've
got at lease tens in one day. The fact they've
made it into parliament will probably give the police kind
of carte blanche to use extra points.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Ah yes, inside the parliament.

Speaker 4 (02:53):
Mister pigata Alia, address you Masco.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Lud Moscow, Julian Nassan somewhere in the Marianna's signing court
documents or quite possibly on his way to Australia at
the moment. Either way, it's over much to the relief
of the family.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
The Australian government has been very much a part of
this at these final moments. They are the only government
who can represent Julian at the diplomatic level, so they
were able to step in at these last moments to
secure this deal for Julian and secure his freedom. So
very thankful to them.

Speaker 2 (03:26):
Interesting to catch up with Murray Oldt and Sea Price
later on this morning, the words he may well be
touching down on Australia today. Then the countdown rolls on
towards Friday, when Biden b Trump will be the most
watched event in the world. What they can't currently get
past is how jacked Biden's going to be.

Speaker 6 (03:41):
Trump's team should not underestimate Joe Biden and his team's
ability eating to know whether they're going to jack him
up on Mountain Dew or whatever it is that look
the state of the Union this year, he had a
lot of energy for about an hour or an hour
and a half.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
A mountain view pleased about that. Anyway, He's not alone.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
So we anticipate that for this first debate he will
be on something, and the response to the press has
been to cover it up. The president has significant cognitive decline,
as we've all seen.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Finally, China's lunar probe that's back landed in Mongolia on
board the first ever samples of the Moon's unexplored far side,
the dark side. China the only country to land on
that side, of course, and scientists what they're hoping for
is the samples will contain traces of ice which can
be harvested for you know what, bit of water, bit
of oxygen, bit of hydrogen. That is news of the
world and other worlds. Indeed, in ninety Democracy watched a

(04:36):
couple of really good things this morning. This is the
less interesting of the two, so hang around for the
better one center left Democrat party. This is weird because
of course Europe went right. They held some local elections
the other day in Italy and the center lefts did
extremely well, about sixty percent of the boat. Anyway, Florence
has got their first ever female where a mayor woman
called Sarah Fernaro. We'll talk more about this with Joe

(04:57):
later on in Italy twelve past six, Costing Breakfast. Yeah,
the really interesting thing this morning the Conservative is this
is Canada. They've taken a Toronto Saint Paul's seat from
the Liberals. What's significant about that is it was a
strong Liberal seat, has been for thirty years. Guy called
Don Stewart's won it by a little more than five

(05:18):
hundred votes. So it's a boil over. So the pressure
now on Trudeau. A lot of people want him gone
as popularity is tanked. He's in the toilet. Sixty eight
percent of Canadians want him to step down. He's insisting
he's staying until the next nationwide vote, which is October
next year. So watch Canada fifteen past six five now
from Devin Pun's management, Greg Smithers with us this Wednesday morning. Morning, Mate, Morning,

(05:41):
Mike in vidio. What have we got here? We got
a bubble, we got something to watch. What's going on here?

Speaker 8 (05:45):
Has something to watch. So it's been volative that it's
actually a high of a night. But yeah, it's hit
a bit of a rough ride last few days. Look,
we know that the generative AI revolution has been rocket
fuel for the company's chips and sheer price. You gotta
have a three trillion dollars in market cap last week
was briefly the most valuable company in the world, ahead
of Microsoft in airports. Now slipped back to third on

(06:07):
the market cap podium. The last previous few Days's actually
lost around five hundred billion dollars in market caps. So yeah,
it sort of caused a few question marks over things
and also like like so the charting structure where to
from here? Look, it has been a game changer from
visas in the company also the co founders and Jensen
Wang his network around about one hundred and twenty billion

(06:29):
dollar season the top ten, which is people Some are
pointing out that he sold around one hundred million shares recently.
But it's almost like a rounding year. I suppose a
bigger question mikes year do other companies get in on
the act until they're going to they they're going to
release their own AI chips. Apple's actually not using in
Vidier's chips, so there was just a blip in the
road year. What I guess we'll see something actually drawing
comparisons with Cisco. So if you look at the height

(06:52):
of the dot com bubble.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
That was also.

Speaker 8 (06:54):
Briefly the world's most valuable company. This is the network
equipment manufacturer. It went on to lose eighty percent of
its value in the following year as the bubble burst
and Telco's slash. They're spending on broadband infrastructure, so you
know we're going to see things with perhaps not, but look,
if we did see a switch autam and video, you
there certainly would be impacts for the rest of the market,
perhaps some sort of money sloshing into our recordase and

(07:16):
videos akin for about a third of these and P
five hundreds rise this year.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
It's crazy. I tell you what I'm way more interested
in is this wire gobia zepic thing. This whole weight
loss drug. I reckon this is a won a game changer,
and it's going to change the world.

Speaker 8 (07:30):
Yeah, I mean, certainly a lot of people getting in
on it, not least to which Oprah Winfrey. You know,
she she's admitted to she was a big proponent.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Of weight watchers. She's actually sold that she.

Speaker 8 (07:38):
Has given millions of dollars way for them to charity.
She's resigned as a board member, and she admits that
year she's been taking these at these drugs, so the
glp ones we're talking about, So they're saying that I'm
going to put an end to obesity, but also related
to fictions such as diabetes sleep apney. So if had
some big news this week night with Elo Lily. They've
announced apply for US approval for their weight loss drug
sleep apnea. So they reckonnet improves the state of around

(08:02):
about half of patients on trials there, So that's head
impacts on a likes the resument across the Tasman also
fishing pikele here that was lower use today it's also
causing waves across the Atlantic. So we've got Novo in Orders,
which we've talked about before, but that's become the most
valuable company in Europe on the back of huge demand.
They reckon they're going to spend four point one billion

(08:22):
US dollars on building a new plant in the US.
It's going to be one point four million square feet.
It's the size around twenty rugby fields. And also have
a night they've announced that their weight loss drug has
been approved in China. So of course see where all
this goes Interesting that I'm actually making a killing these companies.
You look at Novo's treatment actually cost five and a
bucks a month. They can make it for a few bucks.

(08:44):
Necked ingredient costs about seven cents. So is it a
revolution perhaps? And once these drugs can be taken eally,
I suppose the one thing where we're not really talking
about here are the side effects. And also you know,
I suppose some of these impacts have other factors, you know,
the hereditary and the like. But we'll be interesting to
see where this goes.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
It is a fascinating thing, Meridi. And how did the
investigate go?

Speaker 8 (09:04):
Yeah, so there's a bit bit of news. Yes, there's
going to be a lot more wind and solo. That
was the big news out of use today. That fits
to the governments. But target of doubling renewable energy by
twenty fifty good news, Mike. It's going to get a
lot cheaper as well. So they've set out their investment plans,
range of projects Rua Kaka way Kato. I've got solar
going in there. We've got the way Nui wind farm.
It's enough to power two and eighty five thousand homes.

(09:26):
It's further out, we've got energy park south of Taranaki.
That's going to be output of around about forty five
percent of what Mena Pori does. So impact of all
this investments, things are going to get cheaper. This is
a good thing. And demands and they're going to increase
meridian reckons. We need fifty to one hundred percent more
generation built compared to today in the coming years of
population that's going to be over six million. And we're

(09:47):
also a twenty period where there's been no real increase
increasing electricity demands. We had energy of fishing appliances and
the like. We've got evs that have been slow to
ramp up. We've got around about seventy five thousand of days,
but they're going to get a one million by twenty
thirty five. Then we've been Ai've talked about that it's
going to be huge data center demand there. You know,
I guess all some investments made a little bit easier

(10:08):
by the resolution of the uncend around T one. And
they made the point there about the demand response as
a result of that twenty year contracts. The good thing
is there when the smelton needs to pull back on
demand where lakes are running low, they can do so.
EATU our lakes are running low at the moment, so.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
All good stuff. Mike okay, numbers s and P five.

Speaker 8 (10:25):
Hundred up point three percent at the minute, Nasdick up
one point one percent, down down point eight percent, foot
Seed down point four percent. Asex two hundred had a
good day across the towns and up one point four percent.
Com Off Bank that hid an all time high insidetx
fIF fifty. We had a good day as well, up
point eight percent. Eleven seven one six goal down thirteen
bucks two thousand, three hundred and thirty one. Use announce

(10:46):
oil down fifty cents eighty one spot one seven. Currency
markets sixty one point one against the US that was
down point two percent, lockwise down point two percent against
Cerve forty eight point two And like US, I was
here out of the cricket. We're also neck and neck
on the CA Crecy. We're fled against the A dollar
ninety two even.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
Good home your mate, Devon Funds Management, Greg Smith this
Wednesday morning, tasking good the market for a carra got
a new one just released, Bugatti's latest which is called
the Tibion. It replaces the Shiron. It's they've been spun
off Baghetty out of Volkswagen merged with Rimack Big into
Fast Electrics. But this isn't electric. Some people thought it
could be. It's a big engine, sixteen cylinder engine. It's

(11:24):
a hybrid. It's got eighteen hundred break horsepower eighteen hundred,
which is quite good. The turbion, by the way, is
named after a set of gears that helps maintain accuracy
in a mechanical watch. It's your not many of them.
You'll need to move two hundred and fifty to be built.
It will go sixty k's on a battery. If that's
of interest to you. Yours for six point five million

(11:47):
dollars six twenty one. Here it news talks.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
Eb the mic Hosking Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Very big developments in the Middle East War. I will
give you the update shortly. Louisiana. By the way, nine
families have sued the state over this new law that
orders every public school classroom display a poster of the
ten Commandment. Filed in federal court. That's less. And then
a week after the governor Landry signed it off. So
that was all I mean, that was always going to happen,
wasn't it. It's already sex twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Five trending now with Chemist Wells Great Savings every.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Day Snoop dog man with a knife for pretty much
anything that gets him a gig in attention is about
to turn up at the Olympics, if he can believe it.
So he's heading to Paris's NBC Special Correspondent to do
some commentary and bring bring the Snoop style. He was
at the US Olympic Trials in Oregon. He first ran
an exhibition two hundred, which he finished in thirty four
or four to four ten twenty Yeah okay, which he

(12:42):
said isn't bad for fifty two year old. Then he
jumped on the mic to comment tate the three thousand steeplechase.

Speaker 9 (12:48):
Well, we're about to see right now, they're about to
get to the depth and rip and writhe and slipping
and hopefully that's live. Jumping over is heard in the water. Oh,
get up out of him, only come up behind.

Speaker 10 (12:58):
Family do play horses.

Speaker 9 (13:00):
Bush in and they running slope. But oh he's jumping
the top of the hurdle.

Speaker 10 (13:03):
You can do that.

Speaker 4 (13:05):
That was a cold trip right there.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
I like that when he's we're off the tippy.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Top, reminded social media when Snoop and Kevin hot had
a mini show for the last Olympics, they covered the
synchronized diving.

Speaker 9 (13:16):
Okay, two sets of feedos. Okay, here go when it's
maybe some synchronized. I think it's synchron citizens. Yeah, they
doing it together. Here, we going to get this ready together.
Let's do it one, two, three.

Speaker 11 (13:32):
Underwater.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
We talked right here.

Speaker 11 (13:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Then they did the drissage horses.

Speaker 11 (13:37):
I like this.

Speaker 9 (13:37):
This is a questrian.

Speaker 6 (13:38):
This is a cramp.

Speaker 9 (13:40):
That's a questrian.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
By the way, look at that horse.

Speaker 9 (13:42):
You Oh the horse crip walking.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Gangsters. Look at this girl.

Speaker 9 (13:53):
Come on, man, this horse is off the chain. I
gotta get this mon in a video.

Speaker 11 (13:57):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
A little bit of poe action to cover for you
both here and in the UK. Still to come on
the program. Julian Assange. Fascinating story. It comes to an
end so effectively. He's a criminal. I've always argued he's
a criminal. And once he signs the piece of paper,
no one knows where he is. He was in Bangkok,
apparently left London. Private jet landed in Bangkok. I think
he's left Bangkok. Now he's off to Saipan. Patter of
the Marianna's Once he signed a deal, he's then back

(14:21):
home to Australia. They think he may be arriving in
Australia as early as today. What I do want to
know is whether he's going to be able to make
any money out of criminal activity, because once you plead
guilty to a felony charge, you are a convicted felon,
of course, and there is a law in Australia as
far as I know that says you can't make money
out of criminal activity. So they'll want a book, they'll
want the interview. So that's one of the questions to
be asked. But the debate is far from over on

(14:43):
Julian Assange. That We'll have more on that later in
the program News Next.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
The Breakfast Show, You Can Trust the Mic Asking Breakfast
with Avida Live, The Age You Feel News Talk ZEDB Mike.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
How can you possibly say Julian Nossange is a criminal
and all the people he exposed to the criminal? Such
an incredibly stupid thing to say. The reason I say
it is it's a statement of fact. It's not an opinion.
As a statement of fact, when you plead guilty to
a felony charge and a judge orders you a prison
sentence for sixty two months, which has happened or will
happen about to happen. You are a convicted felon stave.
You are a criminal. There's no opinion about that Israel.

(15:19):
By the way, this is the big development this morning.
Should be getting more courage, but it's not. And this
is the beginning of the end I think for Netanyahu
in the war. The Supreme Court in Israel, as ivernight,
decided that the military must begin drafting ultra Orthodox men
for compulsory service. This is landmark, and I think Netanyahu
I don't know how he gets out of this. This
has been going on for a while, but this decision

(15:40):
has the nail in the coffin. So it puts an
end to what they've got is a decades old system
that's granted ultra Orthodox men brought exemptions maintaining the mandatory
enlistment for secular Jewish majority. You can imagine that this
has caused a great deal of banks within Israel. So
the court struck down a law that codified exemptions back
in twenty seventeen. Repeated court extensions, government delaying, et cetera,

(16:01):
dragged it out but the court has ruled it. In
the absence of a law, Israel's compulsory military service applies
to the ultra Orthodox like any other citizen. Now, the
problem here is the ultra Orthodox parties within the government,
their key partners in nt Nyahu. They're ropable and they're
going to pull the government apart on this. So watch
this space. Twenty ten minutes away from seven before mentioned billion.

(16:23):
The sanch Richard Arnold with the update for you shortly
from the States. Here we go again back home or
we'll run the world really a bit. It affects us
back home. Shipping costs have seen a spike. They sit
at triple what they were at the end of last year.
That of course puts pressure on the passap imported good
which goods which you guessed it means it fuels inflation.
Now the custom breakers and freight forward as Federation. Former
President Chris Edwards is with us on this. Chris, very

(16:44):
good morning to you.

Speaker 12 (16:45):
Morning Mike.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
What have we got at play here apart from the
Red Sea or is it the Red Sea? And is
it the Panama Canal or all of these things?

Speaker 12 (16:52):
Part of that. It reminds me when we were speaking
during the COVID crisis. We've got a global disruptor, which
is the Red Sea. We've got an American market that
begin is on the rise. During COVID, they had a
sharp increase in consumer spending and that was global. But
this time the American market is a bit different to
hours and we're seeing a lot more volume go through ports.
That's causing congestion and inventory. Managers in the States are

(17:13):
concerned about potential strike action on the East Coast Ladder
in the years, they're ordering early. That's creating a peak
season as well. All of this creates opportunity for the
shipping companies to raise prices, and they've taken that opportunity.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
I don't know your expertise and geopolitical matters, but why
is the Red Sea still a thing? Why didn't they
work out that this is a problem and fix it,
nix it, Shoot somebody, bond, somebody get to Yemen.

Speaker 12 (17:33):
Well, I think yes, it's what we've learned at the
last out of twelve months. Geopolitics takes a huge part
in the supply chain. So with the ship's now going
via South Africa or under the capers, it's a lot
longer journey now there's a lot more capacity in the
supply chain, and that we built a lot of ships
during COVID and that capacity is kind of needed right
now as we take a longer journey to get to
our case New Zealand. I think schedule reliability is thirty

(17:55):
percent at the moment, so it's not great. But once
that red sea situation is fixed, so you can come
back through the sewer's canal and a lot of those
problems dissipate, and I suspect with all these new vessels
online capacity increases, demands stanthly lower and out part of
the world downcome the crisis.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
And then the other thing is you bring it offsetting.
This is the fact we're importing list because we're in
a cost of living crisis. Can they costs get passed on?
Read the inflation redebate. If you bring something in you
paid more, can you then pass it on if people
aren't going to buy it anyway?

Speaker 12 (18:24):
Well, inflation is an interesting thing in the supply chain,
right because you've got the porta walk and putting their
prices up and seeing they're going to do their annually.
Actual customs are putting their fees up on the first
of July as well, and then you've got these ocean
fate rate rises. It's kind of hard to see how
inflation gets under control in the supply chain for the
next sort of six to eight months, I suspect, so
passing costs on with is not much demand, it's pretty
difficult to do, right if you're an importer.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Exactly good insight, Chris appreciated as always, Chris Edwards. Who's
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(19:59):
obviously the New Zealand want. I'll work you through that
later on. But Farage A Rod was right yesterday on
the program when he was telling us he thinks Farrage
has peaked. Three poles out now. AJL Partners Reform down
three to fifteen, Tories up a couple to twenty five,
Sabanta had the Conservatives up a couple to twenty one,
Reform fell by the same portion to fourteen, Delta Pole

(20:20):
down one to fifteen, the Tory stable on nineteen. All
three different numbers. But they've got the trend that reform
has done their bit. It doesn't mean anything for La Labor,
of course, is still home free and it's just a
matter of how big a blood bath. This is six forty.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Five international correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business right.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Thanks like Richard Arnold mornings he left Sidepan. Do we
know actually literally where he is?

Speaker 13 (20:47):
He is Insipan And in a few hours we're going
to have that hearing on what is US territory? The
tone of Little Dot in the Pacific where some what
thirty three thousand people died during World War Two now
US territory. That is why Spreading Borders Sans, founder of
Wiki Leagues, paid five hundred thousand bucks four the private
jet flight from the UK to the remote Malan to

(21:08):
face a single filony count of illegally disclosing national security
infomostly about Iraq and the Afghan Wars. Now, I remember
first hearing about Assange on day one, when some producers
told me who cares about that? Turns out a lot
of folks Assange has waged the strangest battle to stay
out of the hands of American justice through these what
fourteen years or so. He lived in the ecuador An

(21:31):
embassy Year of gall in London for years with his cat.
They was arrested thereby the Brits when Ecuador withdrew the asylum.
He avoided sexual assault claims from Sweden in the case Massage,
long as denied and in which charges since have been dropped.
In his London maximum security prison for the past five years,
he was confined to hisself for twenty three hours a day,
with one hour per day in a prison yard for

(21:52):
exercise as to what he did with Wiki leagues. In
twenty nineteen, a US federal grand jury charged him on
eighteen counts that could have brought him a combined is
in term of one hundred and seventy years for leaking
almost half a million secret military documents and videos, including
one for two thousand and seven a US Apache helicopter
attack on Iraqi civilians.

Speaker 9 (22:11):
As San said, the real story of this material is
that it's war.

Speaker 5 (22:16):
It's one damn thing after another.

Speaker 13 (22:18):
Well, a lot of this material came from the former
US soldier of Bradley Manning now Chelsea Manning. After the sexchange.
Manning served on seven years in prison until her term
was commuted by then President Obama. Manning sought a New
Zealand visa for speaking to her back in twenty eighteen.
As to reactions, now, well there is celebration and condemnation.
We've been hearing these mixed responses, says his wife, Stellar

(22:43):
over what's occurring.

Speaker 14 (22:44):
It's a whirlwind of emotions.

Speaker 11 (22:46):
I mean, I'm just elated.

Speaker 13 (22:49):
Also supportive is the president of Brazil, the silver and
filmmaker Michael Moore, who once put up a jail bond
twenty thousand bucks for Verssange. Donald Trump, who once said
he loved Wiki leaks, now says not my thing. President
Biden indicated he was open to ending this saga with
his plea deal. Mike Pence calls the Assage release a
miscarriage of justice. The journalism world also is divided. The

(23:12):
Committee to Protect Journalist welcomes his release and slams the
use of the Espionage Act to go after Assange. The
International Federation of Journalists calls his release they quote significant
victory for media freedom. Well, media commentator and former CIA
man Bob Ba says Assange crossed the line in his
thinking by failing to redact the names of Iraqi and

(23:34):
Afghan sources.

Speaker 15 (23:35):
If they get those kind of names, they never publicize them.
They want to protect lives. He didn't do that. He's
not a journalist. He put those names in the leagues,
he did not redact them. We don't know what's happened
to a lot of those people. Probably a lot of
them got a bullet in the back of the head.

Speaker 13 (23:51):
So Massannge will go back to Australia, and Bob Baas
says there is still much that remains unknown, like Assannge's
rumored Russia tis.

Speaker 15 (24:00):
He had at a time a server operating off a
server in Moscow. He had a lot of strange Russian contacts.
He never ran leaks, you know, against against Russia at all.
So the intelligence community, the FBI, the question was was
he in a Russian proxy?

Speaker 13 (24:18):
So hero or Hellian you decide exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
Then we've got a course there with Snowden, who isn't
that particular part of the world, along with Evan Gershkowitz
who is on trial.

Speaker 13 (24:27):
Yes, so still on the issue of journalism and secrets.
We have Gerskovich who's going to go into court tomorrow.
He has been held in prison in Russia since March
of last year and what President Biden calls an legal detention.
Efforts to organize so far a prisoner swop have failed,
although Putin has indicated he might be open to one
if Americans going to arrange freedom for one of Putin's

(24:48):
crony's held in Germany. So complicated, Evan Gerskovich will be
tried in secret in the city of Katrenburg and faces
up to twenty years in prison. No family, friends, or
US embassy staff will be given access. As Russia expert
William Pomerant.

Speaker 11 (25:05):
There is going to be no fair trial. He is
going to be convicted, and once he is convicted then
some sort of negotiations will take place.

Speaker 13 (25:13):
So two key cases the challenges of journalism.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
All right, Mape, see you next week. Appreciate it very much.
Richard Arnold stateside, speaking of courts. US prosecutors, they're recommending
the DOJ brings the criminal charges against Boeing. They claimed
the DOJ that the planemaker had violated a settlement related
to the two fatal crashes. They cut a deal. Under
the deal reach this is twenty twenty one, Boeing would
pay two and a half billion. Prosecutors agreed to ask

(25:37):
the court to drop a criminal charge after three years
if the company abided by certain stipulation set out in
the defird prosecution agreement. Last month the dog said that
was a breach or it had been breached. Families, of course,
the suing families. Of course, they bring the charges, get
on with it. The other thing, speaking of courts, I
told you the other day they were going to court
to try and prevent the Dali crew from going back home,
most to India, eight of them. They dropped that they're

(26:00):
all gone. That seems to have been sorted. And if
I get time later, there's a fascinating piece of BBS
seeded on how to rebuild a bridge in double quick
time for not a lot of money infrastructure spending, which
is a course of interest to this particular country at
the moment. Ling away from seven.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
The my costly Racist where the fave news talk said me.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
From seven, I think I've got some good news on
Liam Lawson. Some correspondents came in overnight. The word now
is Saba who are going to be Audi in twenty
twenty six. And there's a couple of seats available, but
the door is closing. And the Riccardo thing hasn't been
sorted out. So Ted Kravitz, who you want to listen to,
because he knows what he's talking about on sky TV
apart from anything. So he's suggesting they can't get past

(26:45):
the Riccardo thing. One of two things could happen. What's
his face? Who runs Red Bull? Whose name I can't
remember Anyway, he loves Ricardo. So Riccardo could go to
SABA because Saba there's a link with Red Bull. More
likely as Lawson goes, because the keep Ricardo, So Ricardo
and Sonoda, who confirmed Sonoda's already confirmed perious stays so
they promise Lawson to drive in twenty five. So what

(27:07):
do they do if they keep Ricardo? Will they pull
them off somewhere else? There's been a link with Williams.
A lot of people a link with Williams these days,
including Carlos Science. But the current word is he could
get a drive at Sauba, which will turn into Audi
and the Audi part of it's interesting because they've got
the money and the inclination to take a pretty ordinary
team and make them good. So we once again watch

(27:29):
that space, will continue to watch that space with a
great deal of interest. Five away from seven bill, the
ins and the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's the fizz on the Mike Husking Breakfast on News
Talk sed Be.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Christian Horner is the person I was trying to think,
a big caller on the aviation industry this morning. Looftant
C they've responded to the growing noise from activists to
do something about the airline industry's impact on climate. So
as soon as this week they're going to be adding
end quote environmental cost surcharge to all tickets. How much
is that I hear you ask? Could be as high
as one hundred and twenty five dollars a ticket surcharge
intended to cover the rising additional cost due to regulatory

(28:02):
environmental requirements. It'll apply to all flights out of the
twenty seven member countries of the EU plus the UK,
Norway and Switzerland. Mostly due to these EU quotas are
being stuck on airlines, things like how much sustainable aviation
fuel they use. That's quote coming into effect. Next to you,
it'll steadily increase until twenty fifty and because of that,
Loutantza's bill has increase, they claim, quote unquote by billions.

(28:24):
And of course, as always, it will be you and
me paying that particular bill one hundred and twenty five
dollars a ticket. It's one of those weird things. Given
the fascination we have with travel, we'll going, no, that
can't brief here, but then we'll pay it and then
we'll go to go to the Greek Islands for holidays. Now,
Mark Robinson, not often in the public eye, old Mark,
when you ring them up and say do you want
to have a word? Not often in the public eye.
But they've lost some money again, not as bad as

(28:46):
last year. They talked positively about the trajectory of income
for rugby and rugby in general. Certainly some ratings are
up and they've got more players. I know, haven't read
the report yesterday. They've got more people playing, so that's
an encouraging thing. I sus spoke and of course they've
had a big week with Razor and the announcement of
the squad. Anyway, they're still losing money, so why is
that and when does that turn around? Do they have
a plan on that? Marke Robinson with us and we've

(29:07):
got part two two stories of Part two one. There
is a part two to the COVID inquiry, and that's
highly unusual of course, because these are big deals. And
the reason there's a Part two is they didn't really
believe Part one was going to do a lot. But
it's doing enough for ACT to continue to see it through,
not enough for Winston Peters, who's pulled the trigger on
the agree to disagree clause. So that's the first time

(29:27):
as well. Brook van Velden is the person behind all
of us. She's with us. After the news, which is
next He read news talks EDB what the big.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
News, Bold Opinions, the Mic Hosking, Breakfast with Jaguar, the
art of Performance News togs edb.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Welling seven past seven. So we get two COVID inquiries.
The current one will complete its work this year, and
then Part two begins asking the sort of questions Part
one should have but didn't. And then that is the
politics of it all. Of course, the Minister of Internal Affairs,
Brook van Velden is with us. Very good morning to you.

Speaker 14 (29:56):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
David Seymour gave it away, I think on this program
a couple of weeks ago when I asked him about
it in generally he talked about the sanctity of what
is already under way and the importance of that and
you just can't muck with that. Is that part of
what's driven your decision?

Speaker 14 (30:13):
Yeah, that is part of my decision making. Look, I
know that there are some concerns with the original now
phase one of the inquiry, but there's a larger question
at play here, and that's how much do we wish
to respect our democratic institutions? And that's really important for me.
It's unprecedented to end a Royal Commission. So what will
happen now is the Royal Commission or now Phase one

(30:35):
will report back to me in November and in new
terms of reference with new commissioners will now take its place,
coming back in February twenty twenty six. And I think
that is really the only part forward as quite an
elegant solution.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
How much of a jack up do you see Part one?

Speaker 4 (30:50):
As I think there are actually quite a few areas
that will be quite important for Part one to focus on,
and I think the commissioners will actually do a good
job in realm looking at things like the health response
of the government and the government communication where I think
people are looking for more focus and what Phase two

(31:10):
will focus on are things like the government's response and
how that was weighed up against.

Speaker 14 (31:17):
Education, health, business inflation, what its response did to debt
and business activity, the social division that was caused in
our society, and importantly also touches on New Zealand first
commitment where they wish to look into vaccine efficacy. So
it's a bit broader in range. I think answers a
lot of those questions that will be on the top

(31:39):
of people's minds. Was the government too fixated on just
one aspect of its response?

Speaker 2 (31:45):
Do you have sympathy for Peters?

Speaker 10 (31:49):
Oh?

Speaker 14 (31:49):
Look, I think I think many many people have concerned
about their current commissioners. But look what I would say
to that is I've actually had some really really good
discussion with both of the current commissioners. They were both
very open, very honest, and that's how we've led to
having now two phases where the two current commissioners will
be resigning in November and now we'll have new commissioners

(32:13):
and a new path forward which everybody is united by.
I think there's just one little discrepancy on how much
we wish to pay weight on the time and the
resources and the evidence gathered to date for Phase one.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
Fly on the Wall, you and Peters in a room
together explaining it to each other. How grow did it get?

Speaker 14 (32:34):
Look, I actually have really good relationships across government, so look,
I don't tend to get aggressive in any any real situation.
What I would say is that we just have three
parties that are working really well together. You'll note that
we're all united in the past forward. It's just that
we had a little disagreement on one of the aspects
of the past. So you know, I think actually we

(32:57):
work quite well as the government.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Okay, who's going to lead and what sort of person
will that be? Part two?

Speaker 14 (33:04):
Well, what I'm looking for for the new commissioners is
a range of experience in a legal background as well
as economics background, ideally having a health background as well.
So that's the ideal mix up. In August, I'll be
coming back with the exact names and the terms of
reference all signed off, but at the stage I can't

(33:27):
say who exactly will be there. We're still working our
way through those details.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Nice to Toky Brook van Velden out of the Act
Party Minister for Internal Affairs. Eleven minutes past seven task
the committee looking into the Mara Ward builders come back
and said get on with it. Basically we go back
to what we had. It'll return binding community polls triggered
by a petition of five percent of eligible voters. Also
require compulsory polls on any MARI wards created since the
twenty twenty one changes to run us alongside next year's

(33:52):
council elections. Now the timporary mayor, Nigel Bowes with us
Nigel Morning, Good morning. A lot of upset around this
law and the change of the law. A lot of
as signed letters. You weren't one of them? Why not?

Speaker 10 (34:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (34:03):
My personal view Mike is that you know we're possible.
If we're wanting to make changes to democracy, should actually
sit with the people. So I actually find it strange
that you know, MEAs were so keen to sign the letter,
because I think if you can have changes sitting with
the people, then that would make sense. We get elected
by the people, so why are we afraid, you know,

(34:24):
for the people to make the decision.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Couldn't agree with you more, would your counsel agree with you?

Speaker 16 (34:29):
I would say, we're probably an eighty twenty would agree
with me, but we haven't actually had a discussion.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Okay, So it's not democratic though, is it? Because I
mean these things never canvassed on the election campaign and
suddenly a council turns up together and goes, by the way,
here's what we're going to do. And there's no comeback
for the punter on that.

Speaker 16 (34:46):
No, exactly, Look and it doesn't take. It doesn't mean
that elected members can't have a strong view and if
they want to support the public and having a referendum
and putting those points across and the reasons poor, they
can do that and they can lead the so you know,
but that's just outside of the ellegiant. So if you
want to to your point, if you want to campaign
on it, do so that be transparent.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
But here is the ultimate campaigning policy, and that's a
thing called democracy. If you're a Maori and you want
to stand, you can and if you get enough votes,
you are elected. And that's always been the rule and
that's the way we should be running the country basically,
isn't it.

Speaker 10 (35:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (35:21):
No, one hundred percent agree with you.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Good on you, Nigel, appreciate it. Nigel Byn, who's the
timuru miya? Thirteen minutes past seven pasking just to the pole,
National up a couple thirty eight acts seven New Zealand
First six, also up to Coalition partners on sixty four seats,
means they can run the government obviously, Labor down a
point to twenty nine to Party Marray three and the
Green Party on thirteen despite all their many and varied troubles.

(35:43):
So all that indicates to me is what I tried
to say to you last time, which was do not
get too excited, because some people, of course last time
did get excited.

Speaker 17 (35:52):
Muckle up, brace for impact, free four bang may day
plummeting a nightmare is the honeymoon period over? This poll
will absolutely rock the entire parliament.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
No I didn't because then this poll last night came
along and just said nothing actually happened. Thirteen past seven
the Mike Hosty, racist MUC and Jinny after right. Marke
Robinson is in charge of another loss for the rugby Union,
not as bad as last year, but they think they're
on a path to some sort of recovery. So we'll
work you through the details. Shortly sixteen past seven the
Julian Assange saga. As you well knows, over he struck

(36:25):
a deal, hasn't actually signed it, I don't think yet,
but will today and then on his way to Australia
struck a deal with the United States. He will plead
guilty to an sp and arch charge at hearing in Saipan.
The judge will sentence him to sixty two months. Those
sixty two months have already been served. Then he's on
the private jet to Australia. Security Intelligent analyst Paul bu
Chennan's with us. Paul, very good morning to you.

Speaker 11 (36:44):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I found the whole thing deeply fascinating. I think he's
a crook, but nevertheless, who wins do you think ultimately
out of this?

Speaker 10 (36:51):
Well, actually the decision was rather solemnonic because you know,
he's been confined one way or another since twenty twelve,
so he's spent a lot of time by himself. And
the charge that he played guilty to, as it turns out,
was the lesser of eighteen charges. He pled guilty to
unlawfully obtaining and disseminating classified information related to the national

(37:16):
defense of the United States. It's who he shared that
information with, And what I would say is this, it
was Chelsea Manning who provided him with the videotapes of
the helicopter attack on civilians and journalists and Baghdad in
twenty ten, and that was a war crime. But what

(37:38):
happened after that? The information, in the first instance a
wiki leaks put out went to investigative journalists like Nicky
Hager and that sort of folk. But subsequent leaks went
to the Russians. The Hillary Clinton emails that basically upended
the twenty sixth campaign were obtained by WikiLeaks and then

(38:01):
sent to Russian intelligence. Now that was after Assange was arrested,
while he was actually in the Ecuadorian Infasty hiding out there.
But I would say that Assange was very careless with
his dissemination of the sensitive information because the haatred of

(38:22):
the United States. Now the US has gone his pound
of flesh out of him. He's a broken guy again.
He's been confined for what fourteen years or one way
or another. So to me this sounds like, you know,
a fair way and the entire thing. Now he wants
to pardon from this charge down the road. I don't

(38:47):
think he's going to get that. But the president is
twofold one. We still have the case where the United
States has gone after a working journalist or obtaining information
about war crimes. I guess it's it comes down to
this Mike, you either think he's a whistle blower or

(39:09):
you think he's a trader. Now he's not a US citizen,
so he can't be a trader to the United States.
I tend to think that he's a whistleblower who's gone broke,
unlike Edward Snowden, who deliberately took very sensitive stuff and
gave it to the bad guys, not just an investigative journalists,
and went way beyond what he claimed was his reasons,

(39:31):
which was that they were going on Americans up lawfully.
I separate the two out. I think that just assange
because of this abiding hatred of the United States. And
there's many people in the journalistic community who have this
sort of states for the United States for various sins
committed over their history, who I won't say they deliberately

(39:55):
tried to hurt the US, but they are very careless
with their journalist.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Exactly good on your Paul Listener. I apologize for the
quality of that line, but we've got a good insight
and appreciate it very much. As regards the role of
the Australian government, toll be fascinating to see what Steep
Price has to say after eight thirty this morning, seven
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chemists Warehouse skiing L seven twenty four are so, as
you've heard, we've got our first degree to disagree clause
of this new coalition first point to make. I think
it's important how mature does this look? I mean New
Zealand first has invoked the clause, which is probably not
a surprise if anyone was going to invoke it. To
be them are the surprise. As in previous coalitions this
would have been described as a crack. Cracks are forming

(41:23):
in the government, angst would be growing, headlines would increase
some frequency. And yet in twenty twenty four, if it
is as it seems, it's a clause, that's life. We'll
move on. That is to the credit by the way
of Christo per Luxen who stitched the thing together with
the view of it holding long term. So far, so
good as regards who is right. It is to do
with the Act lead decision. As you've just heard that

(41:45):
the COVID inquiry will now be in two parts. Part
one is the bit that's on now headed by Tony Blakelee.
They will finish their work and report in November. Then
Part two new chaired new commissioners, wider terms of reference
now a Brook van Velden argues, and I think she did.
It's worth keeping the current inquiry because underway and stopping
it would be wasteful. I've got an element of sympathy
for that. Although it is a jack up from labor.

(42:05):
It will elicit some things that are of value. But
as much sympathy as I have for the waste to argument,
I have more sympathy for New Zealand first, who on
this question are more right than actors. Blakely should never
have been appointed, and the terms of reference are a joke.
It was classical labour. Stack the deck and pretend it's
a proper game. The stuff we desperately want investigated isn't

(42:26):
part of the inquiry. Vaccine procurement and efficacy, all the
wider economic and social issues. We are still wading through
that as we speak, with this crippled old economy of ours. Personally,
I'd like to see people called and compelled to turn up,
but that's wishful thinking. The other bit is the second
part won't report back until twenty twenty six election year.

(42:46):
COVID started in twenty nineteen. The reporters do seven years later.
That's not pace or progress act will have their reasons,
some of which you just heard. But Peter's on this
has read the mood better and I think ultimately is
on the right of it. But the fact he can
invoke a clause and not split a dummy is masive
progress in the collegiality of a multi party arrangement running

(43:07):
the country, and the success of that is not to
be underestimated. Pasking Mike, I wonder how much of the
COVID inquiry would be in the officially sanctioned Jcinda movie.
John another one, Mike, why don't we just scrap the
COVID response review and just wait for the wonderful documentary
coming out of hollywood'sturing our very own Dame Descender. I'm
queuing up now in anticipation. Are these texts from people

(43:28):
who've switched their obsession from fluoride to the Justinda movie?
Is that's what happened here? So you were fascinated with
fluoride or the vaccine jab now you're obsessed with the movie.
I'm getting at nine thousand texts between now and the
movie's release. Honestly, there's more important things to think about.
Mike rb red Bull have to confirm their twenty twenty
five intentions. This goes back to what I was telling

(43:49):
you before seven o'clock. The word this morning is Liam's
off to sober. RB have to confirm their twenty twenty
five intentions to Liam by September, after which he's free
to go to another team. I reckon Ricardo is going
to be released next month and Liam's going to be
driving after the dinner break, the dinner break being the
summer break they've got. I can't remember this. Two or three,
maybe four more races before the summer break. I don't

(44:10):
see it. I don't think they will change during the year.
I don't think they'll let Ricardo go during the year
because they seem obsessed with him for reasons that I'm
on jacques Ville nerves side. I'll be watching the Canadian
Grand Prix the other day jacques Ville nerve said why
is he there? He's not that good and he's not
that fast. Why is he still there, to which Riccardo
didn't respond particularly well. But nevertheless, I'm on jacques Ville
nerves side. Anyway, I think if they're going to do it,

(44:31):
they'll announce it for next year. So so it's full
of intrigue. But every day I suddenly think, oh, Geez's
going to miss out. How can he miss out? This
isn't cool. Then you get a little bit of news
to suggest he's not going to miss out, and that's good. Now,
speaking of sport, New Zealand rugby is still losing money,
not as much as last year. What is the plan?

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Mark Robinson next, demanding the answers from the decision makers.
The mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate doing real
estate differently since nineteen seventy three, News togs, dB.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Poll Out Poll Survey Employment confidence full and sharply hardly surprised.
The West maccderom at Miller's survey fell thirteen points. It's
below one hundred hundreds good. Below one hundred's bad. We're
at ninety one point four. So the June quarter lower
since the lockdown. So she's dark. Although I will have
something more to say it on the program, I die,
I don't have time today. But if you think about

(45:24):
what's going on in unemployment, unemployment currently is four point
three percent, and the headlines do not equate to what's
actually happening. We are miserable about jobs in this country.
Somebody said the other day it's like the Hunger Games,
and I thought, is it? I mean, obviously having lost
jobs before. I mean no one likes losing their job,
whether getting sacked or being made redundant. And there are
lots of people who have lost their jobs of late.
But when you look at the actual facts, I don't

(45:46):
know that it's as bad as people have made out.
But anyway, more on that tomorrow, twenty three minutes away
from eight Politics Wednesday. Are good that Mark Mitchell's here
because we've got the weather of course in Hawks Bay
and the wairoa state of emergency, so we'll get the
update from him because that's his particular sphere of influence
among others. Meantime, big week for the new Zilla Rugby
union airs. Monday night they announced the all black spot

(46:08):
of course for the year. Then yesterday we get the books.
It's a loss of nine million or thereabouts, second loss
in a row, not as bad as last years. Last
years was forty seven billion. The bosses, Mike Robinson is
with us morning Morning night. Is next year black or
you can't say that.

Speaker 18 (46:22):
To say that, Mike, But we're working really hard on
our model. I think we've said for some time now
that the way it's developed over the last twenty twenty
five years means we've got a really high sex cost
space and we're working really hard for stakeholders to try
and you know, alter that a little bit. And last
year was certainly a tough year as it relates to
World Cup. We lose significant amount of revenue on broadcasting

(46:44):
and next day revenue. So overall, even though it's always
disappointing to be in a lost position, when you compare
ourselves around the world and things we are able to
invest in the game, we don't feel too bad.

Speaker 2 (46:54):
What gets you out of it cuts or increase revenue
or a mixture you're both.

Speaker 18 (46:59):
Probably a mixture of both and a bit of a
tweak of the model as we so much. You know,
there's no matter where we look across the games, there's
always great reasons for investment, so be it in in
our competitions, bed into the community game. We're obviously starting
off on a new journey as it relates to ingesting
and commercial growth. The organization and and and player base

(47:22):
really create really key that we keep that fantastic talent
we have, so all of those things are really important
investment areas, But we have to look probably at combination
things there around costs, some better efficiencies and then growth
of revenue.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
See how do you get growth of revenue? Is the
growth of revenue one of the things that fascinates me
at the moment. It seems globally sport is on fire.
If you look at some of the sports in America,
there is money to burn on sport. Why aren't we
reaping those rewards?

Speaker 18 (47:51):
Well, we're just starting off, an't we. I think we're
We've done a really good job over the last couple
of years. Revenue across the game now in New Zealander
is probably around three hundred and fifty million dollar mark.
New Zealand rugby constitutes more than seventy million dollars of that,
and we think we can grow that over time. But
we had a relatively small fan base here. We've been
really clear that we've got to, throughout the we did

(48:13):
in the last few years, that we've got to connect
more with our international fan base, and so that just
takes time. We've got to establish the competitions and the
fixtures that connect with those parts of the world and
emerging markets and bigger population bases and We've also got to,
you know, work really hard at building the content play

(48:35):
that we have going on too and getting that into
different parts of the world. So all of those things
will take time. But we firmly believe, as you say,
there's real value in life sport and sport in general,
and we're looking forward to sort of working towards it.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
Because the conversion is the key, isn't it. Because I know,
for example, you've got more players, that's a good sign
for the game. You've got more audience, you put those
super rugby figures out, so more people are watching. All
of that's excellent, but unless you can convert, it means
nothing exactly.

Speaker 18 (49:00):
Yeah, you're right, and we've got really great people working
on that at the moment. Trace sent and he had
a commercials just come into that role. So he's building
a team working on that and that is the key,
That is the key play here. But that'll take time.
You know, in the scheme of things, we've only been
going a very very short amount of time. We still
believe very much in this project long term, but it

(49:21):
just will take a bit of patience.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
Okay, a couple of weeks ago, we had the chambels
around the vote. Has that been sort and will it
play out to some degree at the AGM in the
sense we're expecting a resignation or two.

Speaker 18 (49:32):
I'm pretty clear I'm not. It's not for me to
be talking about the questions on the on the governments
of you and what's going to happen has related to
governments at the AGM or or around behind the scenes.
But it's definitely you know, we all acknowledged it wasn't
and isn't great for the game. We as you've just said,
we see some of the ating things happening that we're actively
involved in, right from the community right through the professional

(49:54):
and international level. Look at these test matches and they
need and sold out last weekend and Auckham sold out.
Auckham so hold out in a couple weeks time with
more seat coming on sale. So San Diego's I think
all but sold out. So look, the game has siny
got challenges, we recognize that, but there hell a lot
of great stuff happening too.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
All right, good to hear at Mark Robinson, who's the ceong.
Let's see that San Diego sold out, that New Zealand
plays Fiji and San Diego thing I just can't get
my head around that as being anything more than expats.
In other words, it's not making a big infiltration into America.
Be that is May eighteen to eight, lasking. The numbers
are interesting. So the income was two sixty eight expended

(50:34):
to two seventy seven, So there's your loss. The reference
to the players up seven percent. Number of registered players
had one hundred and fifty thousand, so I would have
thought that's encouraging. I told you about the the on
E stuff, the digital streaming, that's all gone up. Commercial income,
sponsor support remained at historic highs, and thirty nine percent
decrease of match day income from twenty eight million down

(50:56):
to seventeen hurt them. And that's the Rugby World Cup year,
et cetera. So it all makes sense. It's just whether
you believe they can. They can make it come right.
Seventeen to two, the make costing breakfast. It is fourteen
minutes away from Mike and Nellie chunking it in F two.
Mercedes put him in a better car for the second
F two seas and Bottas and the Mercedes science to Saba.

(51:19):
Liam reunited with Alex at Williams makes sense. It meant
all possible, as long as the all I'm worried about
is the windows closing. As each week goes by, everyone's
apparently just standing by for Carlo Science to work out
where he's going, because he can seemingly go anywhere he
wants apart from Mercedes, and Mercedes don't want them. One
thing I saw the other day, funnily enough, George Russell
and Toto Wolf were out on the Inios America's Cup

(51:41):
boat and George Russell was driving it, which is quite
something because I'm sure to drive something like that you
need some level of skill. Anyway he drive it, but
Toto was on the he was a cyclaw and the
wattage he put out was phenomenal. And so the cycle
as if you remember the America's Cup, your pedal madly
when the sail shift or the wing shift, and the

(52:03):
level of strength and power you need to do that
on a sustained basis is extraordinary. You need basically to
be an Olympic quality type athlete, and Toto Wolf is
and they were like seriously impressed with his ability on
the bike. So and so the pictures of fantastic looks
like a good bite to me. He's not going to win. Obviously,
we don't know. We know it's going to win, but

(52:24):
you know it looks pretty Dr Shawn Sweeney, here's an
interesting story for you. Doctor Shawn Sweeney is the head
not for much longer, as it turns out, because he's
quit of CRL, the City Rail Link. So for people
outside of Auckland City Rail Links a hole in the
ground that will go round in a circle and as
a result of that being finished, we'll all apparently have
our lives transformed or not. It's behind and it's costing

(52:49):
a shed load more than it was supposed to. It's
the usual construction story of this country. Anyway, Sean's gone
and quit and he's off to Ireland. He's going to
go to Dublin. They've got a project there called the
metro Link, and he's going to go to ar Now.
First of all, first question is when you employ somebody
to lead a project, surely you have a contract that
says you will not be leading until the projects complete.

(53:10):
Surely that's in there somewhere, except for apart from exceptional
circumstances like you're going to die or you turn out
to be unbelievably incompetent. Or something like that. And yet
this guy is apparently just going oh bye bye, so
he gets another job and he's off. Second question is
upon the press release and this I've got to hand
out some you know for bs. Congratulations on whoever wrote this,

(53:31):
Well done you success. This is how it opens. Successful
leadership of New Zealand's largest transport project has won a
top international appointment for the chief executive of Auckland City
rail Link, doctor Sean Sweeney. Dr Sweeney has resigned today
from the City rail Link project to lead the Metrolink
project in Ireland's capital in Dublin. And they go on
and on about he says, the project will always remain

(53:52):
special to me. Is that's something that honestly, if you
pulled a hole in the ground, does that I tell
you what. Let me take you back to twenty nineteen, Brian,
I was in Auckland and we were digging a hole
in the ground. I tell you what, what a special
hole that was. You know, think that's how you do it.
I don't think that's how you do it at all. Anyway,
Why isn't he staying till the end of the project.

(54:13):
It says in the past six years he successfully steered
the project. Is that an oxymoron? Can you successfully steer
something that's grotesquely late and fantastically over budget? He successfully
steered the project through the collapse of one of the
projects made just sim they've collapsed, Sean, I don't worry

(54:36):
about that. I'll steer us through it. No problems th all. Now, Look,
I've got nothing against the guy. I've interviewed him several times.
Seems a perfectly likable guy, and obviously the Irish think
he's up to doing something similar in their particular part
of the world. But what I want to know is one,
why you leave before attended? Does that tell you something
about the project? And how do you feel about leaving
something that's not complete and is badly uncomplete? And I

(54:59):
just wonder if some of the those businesses in downtown
Auckland listening to this are going, hah, good old Sean,
what a bloke. I wonder if some of those businesses
who no longer exist because they refuse to pay any
form of compensation whatsoever as they closed your street and
ruined your business. I wonder if they're wishing sewn the
best or is that just life turn away from it?

Speaker 1 (55:21):
My Costeel breakfasts with Jaguar News talks that b.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Phido serving away from at AI heading for the courts.
Couple of startups that use AI for music creation software
are being sued by the world's biggest record labels and
they're all in there as far as they can work out.
There's the New Zealand Chair or the Intellectual Property Society.
Kate Duckworth is with us on this Kate morning.

Speaker 19 (55:39):
Good morning, great to be on your show.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
No, thank you very much. Is this the first of
many cases? Do you think?

Speaker 11 (55:46):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (55:46):
Absolutely, I can't see a defense. They're in terms of
the AI taking copyright music works and reforming them and
doing whatever AI does to them.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
So what do you think their argument is? This is
a company called Suno and the other one account remember
was that your do o Ordo.

Speaker 19 (56:07):
Yeah. Their defense will either be that it's a fair use,
which is quite a strong defense in the United States
a little bit less so in New Zealand, or else
they'll claim, as was claimed in a case about Andy Warhol,
that it's transformative what AI does to the original copyright work.

(56:28):
Those are the angles I think they'll go down for
a defense.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Okay, The most famous one is this BBL drizzy, this
parody track of the thing between Lamar and Drake. If
you make something new but was based on something that
we know, is that still illegal or not?

Speaker 19 (56:46):
That is, unless you make it what in the US
they call transformative, that you transform it into something else
that really is new, even though you might have copied
in the beginning. So it depends to the extent to
which it's different. And you might remember that in the
eight Mile case with the National Party a few yes back.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yes, pretty legal as far as Steven Joyce was concerned,
having said that, do you have to do it in
all the courts if you can land a good result
from these companies point of view, If you can land
a good result in America, do you have to land
the same result in Europe to make it effective globally
or not?

Speaker 19 (57:20):
That's right, technically you do. But what you want to
do is scare them off enough that they want to
litigate around the world and lose, so they'll fold.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
Yeah, but here's the problem. I mean, you might win
against Suno and Udio, but then there's eight hundred thousand
other people doing the same thing, and their garages and
their bedrooms all over the place and it's whack a mole.

Speaker 19 (57:41):
Yeah, that's right. And I think where you would take
some heart as from what's happened to the music industry.
You started off with Napster and those platforms like that
that were copying music, and now we see that people
are prepared to use legal models like Spotify. So there's
been a real shift in the market. And if I
was you or of Sony Music, that's what I would

(58:02):
be hoping for, is to bring about change in the
way the industry operates.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Good stuff, good insight. We'll follow it with a great
deal of interest. AI I'm still on. I was going
to say I'm on the fence. I'm not on the fence.
I'm in the position I'm normally in, which is it
is not going to be what they say it is
all the crazies who say it's going to replace all
the jobs and you won't even recognize it. Some idiots.
Who's Japanese guy, I can't remember what the company was

(58:27):
the head of he came out and he said, we're
going to have AI that's ten thousand times more intellectually
advanced than a human being in five or ten years.
And I thought, that's the sort of foolish thing that
we always say. It doesn't matter what the technological advances,
there's always some clown who goes, this is going to
change everything. This is going to lose jobs. Next thing

(58:48):
the robots are going to and so it goes, and
inevitably what happens is somewhere in the middle we kind
of land. There's good, there's bad, and there's a little
bit of manner everything else. Let's do some politics. Politics Wednesday,
Jinny Anderson, Mark Mitchell, whether it's after the news. We'll
get the update on Wiro because he's the Minister in
charge of Civil Defense and all that sort of thing.
But we've got a lot of stuff to cover off
in the world. The politics as Parliament resumed after its summer.

(59:09):
I think it was that three week break anyway. Politics Wednesday,
after the News, which is next here of news talks edby.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Your trusted source for news and views, The Mike Hosking
Breakfast with Alvida Live, The Age You Feel. News talks
edby Yes.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
I really when he missed it up again Now I'm
a baby's goner and the Torso when Jesse.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Tosty Sons, who was trying to remember SoftBank CEO AI
that is ten thousand times smarter than humans going to
be here in ten years. I mean, that's it you.
He's right. This, by the way, is posting post Malone.
He's he's hoked up with Blake Shelton. Listen to this.
Just keeping weding Jones is a general post. He makes

(59:59):
a past his prime. Shelton looked so good. Part of
the moment posted because he hooked up with Morgan Wallen.
I had some help. That's the top song in America
for the sixth week running. This song comes from his album,
which is yet to be out August sixteenth. If one

(01:00:20):
Trillion is the name, there are eighteen tracks on that.
It is eight minutes past eight time for politics Wednesday,
Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson both whether it's good morning, good morning,
Good morning, Mike, Mark, you're on the move. Talk to
me about what you know about hawks Bay, Wiro, et cetera.

Speaker 20 (01:00:35):
I know that we're in a local state of emergency
and Hawk's Bay that is very isolated to one to me,
the same with Laura in Lisbone. What's been speak to
the MEAs throughout the morning on my way up there.
Now you know they they can't catch a break. Obviously,
the focus light how I was dealing with the flooding
and making sure that everyone's safe. But I've also got

(01:00:56):
the recovery TOLLI as well, so I'll be looking at
what we need to do to immediately get in and
help them each other.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
All right, good stuff, Jinny, I'm back in Parliament yesterday.
Do you have too many breaks?

Speaker 21 (01:01:07):
Do you reckon too many breaks?

Speaker 11 (01:01:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (01:01:09):
The past, this parliament station, it's the first one. We
don't say so, but it does seem like we're not
there for a lot, and particularly post budgets, like we
want more time in the ho to ask questions at
Minniester's part budget and we've yet three question times been
the sort of two to.

Speaker 14 (01:01:29):
May seven weeks.

Speaker 22 (01:01:31):
We've got three weeks off, one week on, three weeks off,
So it does seem like a lot this year.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, and see I'm missing and I like a good
question time, as you well know. And I'm sort of
sudden this week after week of no question time. These
mark is that the cracks appearing agree to disagree. We
got cracks in the coalition already.

Speaker 20 (01:01:48):
No, No, it was a very good coalition agreement that
was put together obviously did for the Prime Minister, and
it was because there are going to be things at
parties bot agree on that you can do that and
they're not way and so through strong coalition, I think everyone,
all the officers are enjoyed working inside it and we're
getting things done. And in terms of the House sitting,
I mean we've had a massive program that we're actually delivering.

(01:02:10):
We've just come through a scrutiny. We we're the Minister's
paid front more scrutiny than they've ei ahead, which is
an important thing because the opposition do have a job
still in terms of holding the government to account.

Speaker 12 (01:02:21):
But look we've got.

Speaker 20 (01:02:21):
A massive less seat of program and we get in.
We're pushing it through, all.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
Right, how many agree to disagrees need to be triggered
before people can go. I think something's gone wrong here.

Speaker 22 (01:02:34):
That's the proofs and there putting I suppose, and I
mean everyone I think is watching for when when it's
no longer the Deputy Prime Minister. I think that's kind
of a critical time that people will think if there
are some cracks there, if he starts chucking the toys,
that'll be when you see it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
So that'll be halfway.

Speaker 21 (01:02:49):
Well, I think he's got less investment, like if you've
in me now and you're right, But you know, I
think that's that's kind of the area that people watching
to see as once he steps back from that role
and they would see more steps up to see how
that relationship continues.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
I am being fastious Mike when I ask you about that.
It does seem like a mature thing, and I think
luxe and deserves an element of credit in putting that
in there in the first place. So because you're not
going to agree on a whole bunch of stuff, are.

Speaker 20 (01:03:18):
You, you're not, And that's you know, and that's normal
than any part of life. But the reality is this
is that every one of those parties, all of us,
realize what a parlor state their country are in. And
we have to be united and we have to be
a strong government that is focused on delivering and that's
accepting what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
Jinny, have you heard of Operation Yaka?

Speaker 17 (01:03:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
I can't say, head right, So Operation Yaker. This was
just once again the boot camps and stuff like that,
and people I think you would be in this camp
that say, you know, there's no evidence that it works.
Operation Yak is a thing in Australia. They claim a
ninety percent success right. In other words, there are groups
out there that do work with troubled young people that
do have levels of success. So the broad based question is,
given what we've been doing doesn't work, and the crime

(01:04:01):
rate is where it is, why wouldn't you want to
try something different?

Speaker 22 (01:04:06):
Well, I'd argue that the dropping ram Raids, they went
from one hundred and nineteen a month from the August
before I was ministered down to I think you're around
to less than twenty a month now. That hardcore group
of repeat youth offenders who went through the programs we had,
which was a full wrap around program, about eighty six
percent of them did not reoffend. And I think that

(01:04:27):
dropping ram Raids is because those programs work, and Karen
Shaw had said they work, and they've picked them up
and continued those programs. So it'll be really interesting to
see what these boot camps actually look like, because they're
more looking less boot camping and more like what we're
already doing as the detail Newton.

Speaker 20 (01:04:46):
But sorry, marke Cary, just very quickly on there, I said,
right for the start, I mean, you know, putting in
like ballards and fokin as. It's fine. It gives that
shopkeepers a bit more security in and you know, on
the margins they do work. However, I did stay at
the time that all they do is they'll pivot and
they'll change your technics. And that's what they've done. They've

(01:05:07):
looked to aggravated robberies. You could argue that that's even worse.
We saw the awful situation unfold in Pepper Tootoe who
visited the family the other day, And by the way,
I just have to say that you know, if each
son Sonny hadn't stepped forward to defender's father, then we
probably would have indented had a fatality, and he certainly
felt that he was going to be killed. And for
anyone that thinks that these the Toppy and defenders aren't

(01:05:31):
violent and doesn't need to be taken off our streets
and out of the community, just instid of this. The
offenders for the attack followed him into the shop and
continued to strike him on the head with the hammer.
And by the way, a full shout out to his
amazing wife who also showed extraordinary courage and trying to
defend her husband. But this has to stop, and to
stop it, we're going to take those worst violent resider

(01:05:54):
US youth offenders. We're going to take them out of
the community, and we got to invest in them through
this Youth Military get and we're going to try and
give them the best fighting charts and make good decisions
when they come out instead of continuing to make decisions
that who at their communities prey.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
Break more at the moment, Mark Mentell, Jinny Anderson, thirteen
past the make Hosking Breakfast me sixteen past eight Jenny Anderson,
Mark Mentell, Jenny, A couple of things for you. The
employment changes that are come in for job seecret and
you've got to go in and have a meeting and
go to a conference and all that, and I get
you probably don't like it, but part of what that
came out of was the number of people who are
on Job Seeker who don't have case managers. How can

(01:06:29):
you justify well and excess of one hundred thousand people
who don't have a case manager.

Speaker 22 (01:06:33):
Well, I have no problem with people turning up and
checking in, but what's the point of it? As kind
of like concerned going to a driver's license, give them
some on the job training, but just just sitting in
a hall and checking in and having a seminar.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
As it may. These people didn't have case managers. Why
do so many people not have case managers? They were
just left to drift.

Speaker 16 (01:06:55):
Well, they should have.

Speaker 22 (01:06:55):
Case managers in place. Maybe they haven't had seven hundred
job jobs cut out at NESD they might have it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
No, no, no, no, this was Jenny, This was under you,
under your government. They didn't have case managers. One hundred
thousand plus people didn't have a case manager. They just
hopped on job secret and everyone forgot about them.

Speaker 22 (01:07:11):
Well, that needs to be rectified. But having a seminar
where they get some information and walk away again, and
then if they don't turn up to the seminar they
get kicked off, the kicked off the unemployment benefit. I
just don't see how that's going to work. What does
work is what we did, which gave on the job training,
which gave driver's licenses, that gave people real skills that
made them more employable. And what this does is absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
Do you know what literally happens, Mark, because I've received
a couple of texts that say, basically, you turn up
and they tell you to go to trade me and
have a look for jobs, and that's their advice for
the day.

Speaker 20 (01:07:43):
No, I think no. I think Louise Upset is bringing
a real focus on to making sure there is proper
support and this accountability. There's a social contract that exists
with us as a country whereas we have a very
good social welfare network and service and to help people,
you know, get get up, give the hand up. But
the reality is this bot is that there is responsibility

(01:08:05):
on the other side as well to try and get
yourself job ready, to try and have an honesty effort
actually finding the job and getting getting into employment. And
I think that's really important, and that's what Luis is doing.
Might just really really quickly just want to finish what
I was saying about the crime. What I was saying
is this, we've got a deal. If you want to
reduce the rain roads and negavated robbies, we actually have
to deal with the offending and not put mand aids

(01:08:26):
on it. And that is what we're focused on doing,
is actually getting.

Speaker 16 (01:08:29):
In your people.

Speaker 22 (01:08:30):
Your boot camp's got take places for teen people in it.
I think you just builded up loud.

Speaker 20 (01:08:37):
The problems so that's the partote And the problem that
you've got is that you've never understood, is that on
the fringes that the offenders that you know, a lot
of the eighty percent of the youth offenders, you can
actually deal with. You can put a program around them,
you can actually deal with them in the community. It's
it's the fifteen it's the ten to fifteen percent that
are the toughest, most facidivious violent offenders. Those are the

(01:08:57):
ones that we're targeting, and those are the ones that
we're responsible for most of these aggravated robberies that you
see that it's got a huge human costly Other.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Thing for you, Jenny, the poll last night, it seems
to me that although you in a campaign go for
as many votes as you can and you want to
run the country by yourself and all that sort of stuff,
you're going to need the Maori Party, how do you
sit alongside what increasingly looks to me like a bunch
of nut jobs.

Speaker 16 (01:09:22):
You often.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Gooddis but it seems more real. I mean, I get
it with the Greens. The Greens are crazy as well,
but you can you can coalesce with them, and we've
got to trade record the Maori Party want their own parliament,
their own country, Tena rang Atira tongue and never the
Twains you'll meet and you've somehow got to put that
together as a deal.

Speaker 22 (01:09:40):
Well, we don't support having things like a completely separate
from Mali parliament. There are some things we could stay
quite clearly we don't support. What we continue to do
is make a case for Art for being the next
government and pointing out some of the massive mistakes this
government has r I.

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Get you, but what are you going to do Because
it's going to it's going to be real and unless
you somehow get to a point where you and the
Greens are the clear leaders and you can two party it,
you're going to need to three party it. And they
are the sort of crazies who are going to go,
we don't want anything to do with you, and that's
going to hobble your ambitions in the election campaign.

Speaker 22 (01:10:14):
Well, i'd come out. I'd say that Winston's come out
and said some pretty nutty stuff over the last six months.
You know, he talked about the KKK and things like that.

Speaker 21 (01:10:23):
So all political parties have.

Speaker 22 (01:10:25):
The moments of of stupid stuff and that's what that's
what politics is about you make sure that you make
a case. But labor works incredibly hard to make sure we.

Speaker 21 (01:10:35):
Put forward real alternatives.

Speaker 22 (01:10:39):
To what this government is making an absolute meat out of.
I mean this cancer drugs A loan has hurt so
many key weeks in terms.

Speaker 21 (01:10:45):
Of broken promises, and people are being.

Speaker 22 (01:10:48):
Tired and tired of national promising.

Speaker 21 (01:10:51):
So you'rebating and affects.

Speaker 22 (01:10:52):
And it's absolutely not working.

Speaker 20 (01:10:54):
So you're comparing white Winston Peters to the very party wins.

Speaker 22 (01:10:59):
That was some pretty nice start.

Speaker 20 (01:11:00):
And let me give you a Let me give you
a contrast between Winston Peter's the last labor for him and.

Speaker 22 (01:11:08):
It sounds like at okay, where we go.

Speaker 20 (01:11:12):
Well, you've just both and you know, just rambled on
for five minutes, give me a couple of minutes.

Speaker 21 (01:11:16):
So every day I just that.

Speaker 20 (01:11:18):
So basically, Mike, I just came back from Switzerland with
Russian crape thing. And I can tell you how Wantston
Peters is highly respected on the world stage. He is
a statesman, he is one of our most experienced political leaders.
He doesn't spout the sort of nonsense and rubbish that
you're talking about, and he's been out there actually re
establishing us on the world stage, which is critically important
because under the Labor government they completely failed to do that. So,

(01:11:42):
you know, I think trying to compare Winston Peters to
Party Marry most people in your own decision on that,
but one thing I will say, you'll probably need a
breeder disagree doors. It has to be a whopping, great
big one because I don't think the Party Mary Party
going to leave you off the hook with some of
the changes they want to make.

Speaker 2 (01:11:59):
Good to see both of you, and good luck and
Wirou Markel or the Hawks Bay in general, Mark Mitchell,
Ginny Anderson back next Wednesday, eight twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:12:04):
Two My Costing Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate news dog zvy.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Oh twenty five. A little bit concerned about Sinlay. We've
had them on the program a number of times. The
Cinley story. Dairy New Zealand economy, a lot of money
coming in. They've got a world of trouble. They're going
to have a special meeting of shareholders to approve one
hundred and thirty million dollar loan. Where's the loan come from?
Bright Dairy? Who are Bright Dairy? Chinese company that owned
a chunk of the company they own from memory thirty
nine percent. They can't vote, by the way, so they

(01:12:33):
wanted to get rid of their dairy works business. Failed
to find a buyer. They're reviewing a possible sale of
its Other North Island plants needed to find one hundred
and eighty million to pay a retail bond due in December.
Don't have one hundred and eighty million, may need to
cease trading or initiate a formal insolvency process. You get
a lot of farmers who you know, give milk to
these people. Bright Dairy with their state can't vote, as

(01:12:53):
I say, second largest shareholder A two. They got a
twenty percent stake there. That's a story in it. So
they're not saying which way they're going to vote. So
if they don't vote the right way, things look problematic,
and they're already looking problematic. So it's the last sort
of thing we need, unfortunately in the dairy market in
this particular country. On the lighter side or the better

(01:13:14):
side of the more positive side of farming life, I
can tell you that Gerald, who's the one of the
stars of Clarkson's Farm, and if you're watching the season three,
will have watched season three of Clarkson's Farm. You will
have noticed he was missing in the first part of
the season because he was being treated of a prostate cancer,
underwent some surgery and there's a lovely scene actually when
Jeremy's just driving along talking about to the camera is
something completely different. And then suddenly he sees a guy

(01:13:35):
who's back at the fence. Because Gerald's a fencer, the
old stone fences, the old skills. You don't see the
old skills anymore anyway, Gerald suddenly back bang and the
emotion in Jeremy. It really was a very moving scene. Anyway,
he's announced overnight he's completely cancer free, and you do
want it to look at Gerald. He drinks or did
drink like a fish, and he doesn't look the healthiest

(01:13:57):
specimen you've ever seen. He's seventy four, but he got
the prostate cancer and now he's cancer free, so that's
very good news, indeed news. In a couple of moments,
the flight track of which the Australian media are all over,
has Assage currently over Thailand heading for Saipan, next stop
home in Australia, setting.

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
The news agenda and digging into the issues the mic
Hosking Breakfast with Jaguar the art of Performance news Tog said,
b where all.

Speaker 2 (01:14:24):
The labor MPs, MIC and former ministers administered with some
form of memory clearing drug post the election loss. I
can't comprehend how thick their hides are. I thought I
was resilient, but man, I got nothing on them. It's
incredible we destroyed a country and now we have no
memory of that at all. It's not a bad point.
I thought about it, mind you, Chris Hopkins yesterday when
the trigger thing got pulled by Winston Peters and they

(01:14:45):
went to Chris Hipkins about it. He goes, who does
he want to run the inquiry? Li's gun? And I thought,
good burn. Excellent burn for a man not known for
a sense of humor. Nice burn. Twenty three minutes away.

Speaker 1 (01:14:55):
From nine International correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace
of Mind, a New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Right in Australia. From morning to you, Stephen, Very good
morning flight. Trekker assigns his plan has just landed in Saipaned,
so he'll sign the paperwork and then presumably home to Australia.
How big a deal is this? The biggest of big deals?
In Australia over the last twenty four hours.

Speaker 11 (01:15:14):
Well, people seem to think it is. I mean, I'm
sort of betwixt in between with a sand because excuse me. Remember,
you know, not everyone supports the fact of what he did.
I mean, the Wikiliks papers that were released. You remember, well,
the vision of the American attack on the car in
Afghanistan where civilians died, all of those things. I mean

(01:15:37):
a lot of that material and we'll never know was
published and what was the impact on people who were
working for intelligence services around the world when it was published.
So I am a little bit confused. But the certainly
the Labor government, the current from ministrants. Now Benezi is
very excited that he's managed to massage Joe Biden as

(01:15:58):
well as anyone can mass Joe Biden into making this decision. Eventually,
Sun spent last night in bang Kok. You would have
saw seen the pictures yesterday of him emerging from Bellmarsh Prison.
He got in that black van that he flew on
a private jet to bang Kok, presumably this taxpayers paying
for that. On board that jet was Stephen Smith, who's

(01:16:21):
the UK High Commissioner, former Labor Foreign Minister under a
Rudd Gillard government speaking of my friend Kevin. Apparently Kevin
was very active in behind the scenes in Washington to
make sure that the Sune got out. I mean, the
thing you have to say is the bloke certainly wasn't
for turning. I mean, when you think about all those
times we saw him emerge from his little bunker in

(01:16:44):
the Ecuador embassy and then he was in Belmarsh Prison
for two thousand days, it's been a long campaign by
a lot of people to get him out. And I
presume he's going to deal with someone to tell this
incredible show.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
We'll hold on here because we have laws in this
and I thought, and this goes back to the Chappelle
Corby case. He's there to sign a bit of paper
that says he's a convicted felon. He's pleading guilty. Don't
you have laws that say you cannot make money out
of criminal activity?

Speaker 16 (01:17:12):
We do.

Speaker 11 (01:17:14):
There would be a long debate about whether he's committed. Yes,
the reason he's pleading and pleading guilty is because he
wants to get back to Australia and back out of jail,
So there would be a debate about that. But as
we've seen in the past. Plenty of people who have
made money out of criminal activity have been paid to
tell their story. The money just appears in an odd
form somewhere via.

Speaker 20 (01:17:35):
Someone else where.

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Politically, does it sit with elbow? Is he a hero
for doing this or there's no political impact whatsoever.

Speaker 11 (01:17:45):
The Prime Minister will see it he's been able to
secure his assad's release, whereas ten years of the coalition
government didn't do anything at all. And so look, it's
seen as bipartisan. But Anthony Albertezi will certainly treat us
as a homecoming hero. And that's where albanies he needs
to be a little cautious because not everyone in Australia

(01:18:06):
is that way.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
No, Because I mean, I'm assuming everyone hasn't forgotten the
fact that a lot of the paperwork ended up in
Russia and his old mate Edward Snowden still in Russia.
And you've got to answer a few of those questions,
don't you.

Speaker 11 (01:18:17):
You do indeed, and I think the majority of Australians
will have a glance at the fact that this gray
haired man's back in the country and then they'll get on,
we're trying to pay their mortgageory.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
Yeah, A very good point, Indie Ia. Have we any
closer on reforms yet or not?

Speaker 11 (01:18:31):
Well? The only reason I bring this up is because
I know how much you love it. The Minister Bill
short And is trying to get this new legislation through
to reform the way the NDIS pays out money. Now,
the coalition of the Greens wanted to tolay this until after
the parliamentary break, but Shorten came out yesterday and he
went to town on some of the things that are happening.

(01:18:53):
He said, the NDIS has to be reserved for disappitability
related support. Currently. These are quotes from our friend Bill Currently,
ndos dollars are going to wait for it, crystal therapy,
bariatric surgery, which are presentzos, bands that make you not
a rent washing machines, bird seed and tickets to Wet

(01:19:15):
and Wild.

Speaker 10 (01:19:16):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
What a cool system you got going? Eh, A billion
dollars bird seed system.

Speaker 11 (01:19:23):
There's one more you love this quote for mister Shorton.
We have organizations even promoting cuddle therapy to NDS participants.

Speaker 2 (01:19:32):
Lucky you've got so much money you can afford to
do that sort of thing. Ain't speaking of money? How
is it anyone's justifying the sort of level of increase
in pay. Has it got something to do with the
current blokeer's in the military or had a military set,
whatever it may be. I mean, this is hundreds of
thousands of dollars for the GG.

Speaker 11 (01:19:48):
Yeah. You know a governor general who by the way,
is an about Republican and a member of the Republican
movement serving as governor general to King Charles third, Explain
that to me if you can. I can't explain it.
And a Prime Minister of the country is also a
Republican Sam Moston female ex AFL commissioner lawyer. She's going

(01:20:10):
to be paid seven hundred and nine thousand dollars a
year tax free, up from four hundred and five of
the previous governor general. She'll be, of course, living in
two houses, won the magnificent Admiral Tea house on Sydney Harbor,
the other one in Canberra. And we're in the middle
of a cost of living crisis. I mean, that is

(01:20:32):
just such a bad look. And Anthony Albanize is the
bolk who was a captain's peak. He chose her and
he's ticked off on the painting Cress it's unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Hey, quick insight into the media. I note that Seven's
laid off one hundred and something people and nine to
seven in news corporate in front of a committee the
other day about the whole Google meta stealing stuff, et cetera,
et cetera. How much trouble broadly is the media in
an Australia jobs and revenue wise.

Speaker 11 (01:20:59):
Met her has created big problems for the freeware TV networks.
Seven in particular, Seven realizes for ninety percent of its
revenue to come from television advertising because they've been the
number one network for so long. Nine's obviously in better
shape because it has as well as the freeware television.
It's got to stand the streaming service, and it owns

(01:21:21):
the City Morning Herald and the Age newspapers, which are
not doing too bad online. Channel ten well, I work
at Channel ten. So the less said about that, the better.
They're all in big trouble to meet. Free to air
television in this country is on a downward spiral and
unless you diversify with the assets, you are and you're

(01:21:42):
in big trouble.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
And is the deal going? And the reason I'm asking
all this is where we may be looking to do
a deal. Maybe we're not, but we look to a
country like you who did have a deal and that
deal's expiring, etc. Is something going to come of it?
Or are the big text just going to walk?

Speaker 11 (01:21:56):
I think they'll just walk, I mean Seven. Interestingly, the
small I mean said that the redundancies that you mentioned
were all due entirely to the fact that Meta is
no longer paying for news on its site. So seven said, well,
if we don't have matter, we can't have all these people.
It was a decision made by the new CEO, and
now those people don't ever job.

Speaker 2 (01:22:18):
Yes, all right, might see you next week. Appreciate it.
Steve Price out of Australia, Mondays and Wednesday's eight forty five.
Already the host racers mentioned sin Lay earlier twelve to nine.
By the way, but I'm reading that the olive oil
is not the greatest some parts of the country. It's
fine Northern Way, Heckey, Auckland, Capodi, good production. They're still pressing.
We're in the middle of the season. Others around the

(01:22:39):
country the season's over. Wire Rapper Nelson Marlborough, Canterbury pressing
a third few olives than the last season. That season
was the third down on the one before. So times
in certain parts of the country really tight, Central O
Tiger had frosts. Am I correct and saying I be
Are you starting to stretch olives in that particular part
of the world, as beautiful as it is in some
of very drivery hot, very Mediterranean in winter, you've got

(01:23:02):
a whole different story. Anyway, Normally, if you're producing somewhere
between forty and fifty thousand liters, it's down to thirty
and you just bird strikes another issue, by the way,
you just can't make money on that. And part of
the problem is, well it's twofold one. You can't make
money on that. But to the other thing, was well
aware that internationally olives are a problem. The olive oil
price has gone through the roof. We don't produce enough

(01:23:24):
in this country to satisfy a demand. Therefore, there was
a hope that if we had a really good season,
we could step in for the international market or at
least saturate the New Zealand market with more of the
local product. And being a fan of the local market,
if you get your hands on I know it tends
to be a bit more artist and a bit more expensive,
but my god, if you've not tasted high quality local

(01:23:46):
olive oil, then you haven't lived. And some of that
cheap stuff, even the extraversion stuff that comes out of
place like Spain. I mean, you know, one bright spot
flavors back this year after several wet years, a little
bit drier, and the good parts of the cut North
and WAYHACKI York and most sort the places had a
fantastic summer. So the fruit flavor, the taste is absolutely fantastic.

(01:24:06):
So if you can get your hands on some good
local olive oil, one, not only are you helping the
local economy, but you'll blow your mind in terms of
just sheer quality and bang for buck.

Speaker 1 (01:24:16):
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Pasking Interisting the other day is telling about all those
millionaires who are fleeing Britain, and they're fleeing places like China,

(01:25:26):
and indeed they're fleeing New Zealand. And the question was
where do they all go will. The UAE is the
top country in the world along with the United States,
and Germany was the other one which surprised me. But nevertheless,
Germany seems to be a repository for mobile millionaires, and
we need to be a country alongside those countries that
actually attracts people into this country because millionaires tend to
be reasonably bright, reasonably successful and want to contribute to

(01:25:48):
the economy. But I note with interest. Overnight it's called
the chanson cart or the opportunity card. They're launching a
new visa non EU nationals. This is Germany non EU
nationals from the first June. A new points based system,
specific criteria, academic qualifications, language skills, and past professional experience.
They need more bright people. You can go there for

(01:26:08):
up to a year while looking for work, rather than
requiring an employer to sponsor you in. It allows people
legally work part time as well while searching for something
more permanent. This is a big, big shift in the
way Germany does business. They've got a growing labor shortage.
See everywhere around the world you look, I reckon just
COVID killed the labor market globally. Basically, a lot of

(01:26:29):
people for whatever reason, decided I'm better off on a benefit,
I'm better off on a pension. I'm better off doing nothing.
I might retire. Really, that's the end of me. Even Germany.
So they're looking specifically for professional workers in medicine, education,
manufacturing and engineering. And so if you've ever fancied Germany,
there's an opportunity. It's much more than a digital nomad thing.

(01:26:51):
Five minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
Trending now hum as well your home of Winter ascential.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
Jordan Klepper, he works for the Daily Show, so he
goes to all the political rallies. Right, he went along
to the rally of Trump in Milwaukee or Milwaukee the
other day to ask atin to some questions in what
was the first rally after of course Trump's conviction.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
That was a kangaroo Trialmph, this is absolute stalinism.

Speaker 23 (01:27:17):
So do you have faith in the Department of Justice? No,
Hunter Biden was found guilty. Yes, what do you think
of that?

Speaker 2 (01:27:24):
Well, that was the evidence was overwhelming.

Speaker 23 (01:27:26):
You take the evidence, you put it through the justice system,
and he's found guilty. We should accept that. Yes, Wait
a minute, hold on, but I thought the justice system
was rigged. We shouldn't trust it.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
It wasn't taking place in a had a community that voted.

Speaker 23 (01:27:39):
But the judge was a Trump appointed judge. Was he
Trump goes to trial for sexual assault?

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
How much you give it? What is that?

Speaker 11 (01:27:46):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:27:46):
Oh?

Speaker 7 (01:27:47):
Probably one thousand dollars?

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
A thousand bucks for that?

Speaker 23 (01:27:49):
Okay, classified docs, I'm not.

Speaker 13 (01:27:50):
Sure you give it another thousand?

Speaker 23 (01:27:52):
Okay, so a thousand across the board?

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
Yes?

Speaker 23 (01:27:54):
To overthrow democracy?

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
That biggie?

Speaker 11 (01:27:57):
Is that?

Speaker 20 (01:27:57):
Is that a two grand?

Speaker 13 (01:27:59):
That's probably five grand? Well, okay, basically, we just need
to save our country from the border. Serge, you don't
need to be shelling out money to give immigrants who
don't deserve it.

Speaker 23 (01:28:08):
You're second tired of your money going to people who
committed crimes.

Speaker 7 (01:28:10):
That's right?

Speaker 23 (01:28:11):
Yeah, did you donate?

Speaker 11 (01:28:13):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
Fishing a barrel? Fishing a barrel, fishing a barrel. I'm
sort of worried. I guess we'll talk about it tomorrow
because we're not here on Friday, but Friday's debate day.
And first of all, how many people you reckon will watch?
Will that be the biggest thing in American television by
so far? It doesn't matter for the year. Probably the
rules will it contain people to a point? What do
you want out of a debate? Do you want to
learn something or do you want to you want gloves off?

(01:28:39):
And will the rules prevent clubs off? And they've got
two commercial breaks in there too, which was the weirdest
thing of all. But nevertheless, the MIC's go off and
there's no back and forward, and I just wonder if
they've not just killed it. But it'll be interesting to
see that. That's Friday. We've got to deal with tomorrow,
and tomorrow by my reckoning this Thursday. But as always,
no matter what day it is, will begin proceedings at
six o'clock, So look forward to your company Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:02):
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