With a 16 point lead, Kiwi rally driver Hayden Paddon is entering the Estonia leg of the FIA European Rally Championship tied for first.
He took the crown in the Southland rally in the NZ Rally Championship a couple of weeks back, as well as finding the time to sign up as the new TrailLite Ambassador.
He told Mike Hosking that rally is to Estonia as rugby is to New Zealand, and everywhere they’ve been this week everyone knows who they are.
While Paddon has had a bit of a busy month, he’s been doing this for so long that the gap in driving is no issue, telling Hosking that you just trust your instincts.
“Once you get in that zone and get back into your, your happy place so to speak, you just, you know, you do what comes naturally.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Never easy being the defending champion, but Hayden Padden started
the season off very nicely. Indeed, they're in Estonia this
weekend for the FIA European Rally Championship. Hadden goes in
as joint leader, of course, in between rallies. He's signed
up lately his new trail Light Ambassador, which is good
and after winning, of course a great deal of success
at the Rally of South for the New Zealand Rally
Championship a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, to Estonia we go.
(00:21):
Hayden Padden's well, there's Hayden morning.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, Monny way, very.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Kind of you to stay up so late. I've got
you at seven minutes past eleven. Are you normally up
this later or we holding you up?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
No, No, it's not too bad. Actually the bit of
jet leg and the b F and my body clock
has no idea what Tom Dad is, so it just
does what I tell it to.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What's the mood in Estonia? Does a Stonia get excited
about the rally? They're a rallying nation in that sense.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
They're a really crazy country. To be fair, if we
were being this week, you will knows who we are
what the name is, you know, it doesn't matter where
you go. And you know eight ten X obviously a
X world champion. I think he's really put rally on
the map here and it is much like what Redby
is to us is what really is to Estonia.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's amazing. Where are you at, How are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Good?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, looking forward to this week. Obviously, it's been a
pretty busy period for us over the last month between
rallies back home in New Zealand and on of course
the European Championship to travel back and forth and you know, partnerships,
you know, obviously with a new partnership with trail like
caravans and working on things back at home. So yeah,
busy times, but looking forward to getting back in the
car this weekend and doing what we do best.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I want to talk about the trail and the economic
side of it in just a couple of moments, but
as far as getting in and out of a car,
how big does the gap need to be before it
becomes a problem or is once you're good, you're good now?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think once you're good, you're good. You know, I've
been doing this for so long now that you just
trust your INNT thinks. You know, you're going week in,
week in that on both sides of the world. You know,
it's amazing what that adrilline does here once again in
his zone and get back into your your happy place,
so to speak. You just you know, you do. It
comes naturally and you know it's what you back yourself
to do.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
How do you handle the flying in the time zones
and the travel and do you ever get used to it?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I don't think you can get used to it. It
definitely gets a bit exhausted after a while. But as
I say that, the best medicine for me is hopping
in the race cart the other end, and it makes
you sort of forget about it. You know. As a
year goes on, it definitely compoles, you know. I think
last year we did eight New Zealand and European return
flights and a lot of, as I say, back to
back events, you know, one weekend in New Zealand the
(02:30):
next weekend in Europe and vice versa. So yeah, as
a season gets on, you definitely get a little bit
more tired, but you just try and prepare yourself a
piece you can.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And how hard is that? I mean, how much of
that piecing together a season do you do versus other
people do for you.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Between myself and our team, we do it all ourselves.
So it's really just a matter of at the start
of the season sitting down and working at what we're
going to do. You know, we obviously trying to keep
ourselves current in Europe still we've still got aspirations over here.
We're trying to achieve. But it's important for us and
our partners that we have to keep competing in the
New Yale because as sponsors are not going to invest
in us to be competing on the other side of
the world where we're almost invisible in New Zealand. So
(03:07):
it's important that we sort of got to make both
programs grow together.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And how does the New Zealand signer but work? I mean,
without to put it bluntly pissing in your pocket, do
you go into each rally in New Zealand with the well,
you better win it because you are Hayden Padden pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, it is difficult in New Zealand because we've got
nothing in the gain and everything to lose, so to speak.
You know, it's obviously a privileged position that we're in
that you know everyone's trying to beat us, and you've
got that target on your back. But you know, at
the end of day, I throw off that as well,
because I know that you know, we can't afford to
make mistakes, and we're always trying to. I guess search
for perfection, which is almost impossible in the sport, but
(03:43):
it keeps you on your toes, and it keeps you
trying to. I guess keep pushing forward, and I guess
not resting your laurels.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And where where do you reckon? You at a as
a driver in totality, how do you see yourself in
this career of yours at this point in time?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Definitely driving as good as they ever have. I think
when you're younger you probably take a few more risks
in some places. But I think as you get older,
you get wiser, not just in life, but just and
how you drive, how you feel in the car. You
know what's fast, you know what's not fast, and you
can take a jumper well, you know if it's not
going your way on a particular stage or a particular
(04:19):
section where you may have got under your skin in
the past, Nowadays you can sort of put it behind
you and move on. And Yeah, I think when you
look at an overall rally over the course of a
whole week, I think I can put together a better
performance now than what I did when I was maybe younger.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, and what about the relationship with your co pilot
and John, I mean, as that matures goes on, I
mean that must be special in and of itself and
must bring you a level of reassurance you just can't
get with a e a changing group of people.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh, definitely, like nineteen years you know, he's got his
gold card this year actually so, But you know John
and I, like nineteen years ago, we would have never
thought we'd still be doing this together, and we're still
as compared as each other and still loving it. And
obviously now we're both working with a young co driving
Zealand Jared Hudson, who's doing the new Zealand rallies with us,
so we both working on that next generation as well.
(05:10):
But yeah, character.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Is what he does when you talk about a new
co pilot, is what he does art or science both.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I would say, all I know is I couldn't do
There's no way I'd be sitting on the passenger sticking
with my head down reading pace notes while we're hurling
through the forested up the turn commas are.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Now that's amazing, isn't it. What sort of series, well,
what sort of races? The Estonia Race, what sort of
roads you're dealing with? Is that soft roads? You know?
Is it your sort of road or not? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Very fast, a bit like New Zealand in terms of
the speed, but here the roads are a lot softer,
almost like a sandy type surface. Gets quite rough on
the second past. The biggest thing here those are jumps.
They build a lot of man made jumps into the stages,
so we're jumping up to fifty sixty seventy meters long
in the air. So yeah, it's a good sensation when
you get that right.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's sensational. As far as the quality of the comp
you're in, Hayden, how would you describe it?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Definitely the most competitive fields that I've ever been in.
You know, when we're in wic you had sort of
eighteen fast drivers at the top. In this field, it's
all probably funded team so same boat as us, but
you've got thirty fast drivers and you know you have
a bad stage, you're out of the top twenty. So yeah,
it's fiercely competitive for.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Which I love fantastic. Now we mentioned trial Light earlier on,
so you got the association. How difficult is it? First
of all? Two part question are you at the face
of the global economy and cost of living crises and
all that sort of stuff when it comes to sponsorship
and support? And part two, how is it currently for you?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It is tough. You know, our business is the motorsport
business that we have in New Zealand. We have teen employees,
so we're a small business like a lot of other
people in the country and and you know a big
part of what we do is through partnerships, and you
know we're down forty percent this year. You know, in
tough time like that's the first thing that gets called
out of people's budgets is marketing and sponsorship. So us
(07:06):
and we as a company, we need to be thinking
outside of the box and on how we provide value.
And you know, without sponsors we ultimately can't raise that's
you know, that's a crack of fit and.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How much of you needs to be an entrepreneur in
that sense or do other people handle that for you?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's probably the biggest part of what I do to
be fair so more so than driving, you know, and
I enjoy it working with our partners. We're so lucky
to have so many loyal partners behind us, you know,
particularly can Danie Zeland and a lot of key iconic
Kiwi brands. So yeah, obviously we've got to keep, I guess,
pushing the barrow and doing something different every year to
keep that fresh.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So being a motorsport fan, this stuff fascinates me. How
much of the support that's out there, because I'm talking
to Lillam Lawson relatively recently and he's supported by forty
one different people, and a lot of that's going to
be passion as opposed to I don't want the money
back if it comes fantastic whatever, it's passionate. How much
of what motorsport is at your experience in terms of support,
is passion as opposed to business.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, it depends on what phasing your career you're in.
I think through my early years in WC, it was
definitely passion. We had similar you know, we had like
up to one hundred sheerholders involved in what we're doing,
people investing in our future. Nowadays it's a bit more corporate. Obviously,
you're still passion involved, particularly you know through the New
Zealands and people who have been buying us for up
to ten years. But we have to give a return
(08:27):
on investment now because it ain't a donation. You know,
you need to give that point a difference. And you know,
for us, it's not really about the sticker on the car.
It's actually about the experiences that we provide and that
you strap people in a rally car and take them
for a once in a lifetime opportunity that they'll remember forever.
Providing experiences, it's the stuff outside the car that can
actually give the value to the partnerships exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And when you talk about this, there's link between the
tech and the Hyundai for example. Is it still as
applicable as it ever was? So in other words, you
are in rallying as a car brand to roll technology
down the track to a road car and get people
invested in your car, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Not just a road car. I think a lot of
things within the industry, Like obviously that's where electric rally
car comes in. It's sort of pits us in a
position as a team that we're pushing forward and innovation
and engineering, and that's where the lights of you know,
even trail Light, who are very similar to us, or
a small New Zealand company pushing forward in their industry
with engineering and technology the same way as what we
are in motorsports. So it's not just relevant automotive industry,
(09:29):
it's all our partners. We're trying to portray that we're
doing the same as what they are and that's what
gives us that point of difference.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Tell you what's interesting. I try as hard as I
can to follow Formula E and I'm still not on
board because of the battery. It doesn't sound right. The
cars don't sit on the road the same way. But
I look at you in an EV and the stuff
you're doing it looks normal to me. Do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You Well, to be honest, I'm a little bit the similar,
the same. You know, our EV as a prototype where
we're doing it to prove and show how a rally
car can go fast. And at the end of the day,
rallying is about taking a car you can buy on
the show and floor and go and racing with it.
You know, formerly one you can't do that. You can't
buy a Ferrari or McLaren or whatever at your local
(10:15):
car dealership. So that's our point of difference. But also
you know, it's not just the electrification, it's also the
hydrogen that's coming in now, it's to biofuels. Is all
these different forms of energy that you know, us as
a Motus Work company, we have to take hold of
and utilize to see what's the best solution.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I like hydrogen. Do you like hydrogen?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
To be fair, we are double on it now. Quietly
we've got some hydrogen charging solutions now that we're now
working with with can Dane Zellen, which is the first,
and then I think hydrogen will play a big part
now sport as well, So there's certainly something that we're
looking into at the present.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Fantastic, hey listen, go well this weekend and always good
to catch up with you. Appreciate it very much and
staying up late and all that sort of stuff, and
we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Great appreciate it. Thanks Mane, good.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Mate, hat and out of Estonia for you this morning.
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Never easy being the defending champion, but Hayden Padden started
the season off very nicely. Indeed, they're in Estonia this
weekend for the FIA European Rally Championship. Hadden goes in
as joint leader, of course, in between rallies. He's signed
up lately his new trail Light Ambassador, which is good
and after winning, of course a great deal of success
at the Rally of South for the New Zealand Rally
Championship a couple of weeks ago. Anyway, to Estonia we go.
(00:21):
Hayden Padden's well, there's Hayden morning.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Yeah, Monny way, very.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Kind of you to stay up so late. I've got
you at seven minutes past eleven. Are you normally up
this later or we holding you up?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
No, No, it's not too bad. Actually the bit of
jet leg and the b F and my body clock
has no idea what Tom Dad is, so it just
does what I tell it to.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What's the mood in Estonia? Does a Stonia get excited
about the rally? They're a rallying nation in that sense.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
They're a really crazy country. To be fair, if we
were being this week, you will knows who we are
what the name is, you know, it doesn't matter where
you go. And you know eight ten X obviously a
X world champion. I think he's really put rally on
the map here and it is much like what Redby
is to us is what really is to Estonia.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's amazing. Where are you at, How are you feeling?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Good?
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, looking forward to this week. Obviously, it's been a
pretty busy period for us over the last month between
rallies back home in New Zealand and on of course
the European Championship to travel back and forth and you know, partnerships,
you know, obviously with a new partnership with trail like
caravans and working on things back at home. So yeah,
busy times, but looking forward to getting back in the
car this weekend and doing what we do best.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I want to talk about the trail and the economic
side of it in just a couple of moments, but
as far as getting in and out of a car,
how big does the gap need to be before it
becomes a problem or is once you're good, you're good now?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I think once you're good, you're good. You know, I've
been doing this for so long now that you just
trust your INNT thinks. You know, you're going week in,
week in that on both sides of the world. You know,
it's amazing what that adrilline does here once again in
his zone and get back into your your happy place,
so to speak. You just you know, you do. It
comes naturally and you know it's what you back yourself
to do.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
How do you handle the flying in the time zones
and the travel and do you ever get used to it?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I don't think you can get used to it. It
definitely gets a bit exhausted after a while. But as
I say that, the best medicine for me is hopping
in the race cart the other end, and it makes
you sort of forget about it. You know. As a
year goes on, it definitely compoles, you know. I think
last year we did eight New Zealand and European return
flights and a lot of, as I say, back to
back events, you know, one weekend in New Zealand the
(02:30):
next weekend in Europe and vice versa. So yeah, as
a season gets on, you definitely get a little bit
more tired, but you just try and prepare yourself a
piece you can.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
And how hard is that? I mean, how much of
that piecing together a season do you do versus other
people do for you.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Between myself and our team, we do it all ourselves.
So it's really just a matter of at the start
of the season sitting down and working at what we're
going to do. You know, we obviously trying to keep
ourselves current in Europe still we've still got aspirations over here.
We're trying to achieve. But it's important for us and
our partners that we have to keep competing in the
New Yale because as sponsors are not going to invest
in us to be competing on the other side of
the world where we're almost invisible in New Zealand. So
(03:07):
it's important that we sort of got to make both
programs grow together.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
And how does the New Zealand signer but work? I mean,
without to put it bluntly pissing in your pocket, do
you go into each rally in New Zealand with the well,
you better win it because you are Hayden Padden pressure.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yeah, it is difficult in New Zealand because we've got
nothing in the gain and everything to lose, so to speak.
You know, it's obviously a privileged position that we're in
that you know everyone's trying to beat us, and you've
got that target on your back. But you know, at
the end of day, I throw off that as well,
because I know that you know, we can't afford to
make mistakes, and we're always trying to. I guess search
for perfection, which is almost impossible in the sport, but
(03:43):
it keeps you on your toes, and it keeps you
trying to. I guess keep pushing forward, and I guess
not resting your laurels.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
And where where do you reckon? You at a as
a driver in totality, how do you see yourself in
this career of yours at this point in time?
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Definitely driving as good as they ever have. I think
when you're younger you probably take a few more risks
in some places. But I think as you get older,
you get wiser, not just in life, but just and
how you drive, how you feel in the car. You
know what's fast, you know what's not fast, and you
can take a jumper well, you know if it's not
going your way on a particular stage or a particular
(04:19):
section where you may have got under your skin in
the past, Nowadays you can sort of put it behind
you and move on. And Yeah, I think when you
look at an overall rally over the course of a
whole week, I think I can put together a better
performance now than what I did when I was maybe younger.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Yeah, and what about the relationship with your co pilot
and John, I mean, as that matures goes on, I
mean that must be special in and of itself and
must bring you a level of reassurance you just can't
get with a e a changing group of people.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Oh, definitely, like nineteen years you know, he's got his
gold card this year actually so, But you know John
and I, like nineteen years ago, we would have never
thought we'd still be doing this together, and we're still
as compared as each other and still loving it. And
obviously now we're both working with a young co driving
Zealand Jared Hudson, who's doing the new Zealand rallies with us,
so we both working on that next generation as well.
(05:10):
But yeah, character.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Is what he does when you talk about a new
co pilot, is what he does art or science both.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
I would say, all I know is I couldn't do
There's no way I'd be sitting on the passenger sticking
with my head down reading pace notes while we're hurling
through the forested up the turn commas are.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Now that's amazing, isn't it. What sort of series, well,
what sort of races? The Estonia Race, what sort of
roads you're dealing with? Is that soft roads? You know?
Is it your sort of road or not? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Very fast, a bit like New Zealand in terms of
the speed, but here the roads are a lot softer,
almost like a sandy type surface. Gets quite rough on
the second past. The biggest thing here those are jumps.
They build a lot of man made jumps into the stages,
so we're jumping up to fifty sixty seventy meters long
in the air. So yeah, it's a good sensation when
you get that right.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
That's sensational. As far as the quality of the comp
you're in, Hayden, how would you describe it?
Speaker 2 (06:06):
Definitely the most competitive fields that I've ever been in.
You know, when we're in wic you had sort of
eighteen fast drivers at the top. In this field, it's
all probably funded team so same boat as us, but
you've got thirty fast drivers and you know you have
a bad stage, you're out of the top twenty. So yeah,
it's fiercely competitive for.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Which I love fantastic. Now we mentioned trial Light earlier on,
so you got the association. How difficult is it? First
of all? Two part question are you at the face
of the global economy and cost of living crises and
all that sort of stuff when it comes to sponsorship
and support? And part two, how is it currently for you?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
It is tough. You know, our business is the motorsport
business that we have in New Zealand. We have teen employees,
so we're a small business like a lot of other
people in the country and and you know a big
part of what we do is through partnerships, and you
know we're down forty percent this year. You know, in
tough time like that's the first thing that gets called
out of people's budgets is marketing and sponsorship. So us
(07:06):
and we as a company, we need to be thinking
outside of the box and on how we provide value.
And you know, without sponsors we ultimately can't raise that's
you know, that's a crack of fit and.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
How much of you needs to be an entrepreneur in
that sense or do other people handle that for you?
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's probably the biggest part of what I do to
be fair so more so than driving, you know, and
I enjoy it working with our partners. We're so lucky
to have so many loyal partners behind us, you know,
particularly can Danie Zeland and a lot of key iconic
Kiwi brands. So yeah, obviously we've got to keep, I guess,
pushing the barrow and doing something different every year to
keep that fresh.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
So being a motorsport fan, this stuff fascinates me. How
much of the support that's out there, because I'm talking
to Lillam Lawson relatively recently and he's supported by forty
one different people, and a lot of that's going to
be passion as opposed to I don't want the money
back if it comes fantastic whatever, it's passionate. How much
of what motorsport is at your experience in terms of support,
is passion as opposed to business.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Yeah, it depends on what phasing your career you're in.
I think through my early years in WC, it was
definitely passion. We had similar you know, we had like
up to one hundred sheerholders involved in what we're doing,
people investing in our future. Nowadays it's a bit more corporate. Obviously,
you're still passion involved, particularly you know through the New
Zealands and people who have been buying us for up
to ten years. But we have to give a return
(08:27):
on investment now because it ain't a donation. You know,
you need to give that point a difference. And you know,
for us, it's not really about the sticker on the car.
It's actually about the experiences that we provide and that
you strap people in a rally car and take them
for a once in a lifetime opportunity that they'll remember forever.
Providing experiences, it's the stuff outside the car that can
actually give the value to the partnerships exactly.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And when you talk about this, there's link between the
tech and the Hyundai for example. Is it still as
applicable as it ever was? So in other words, you
are in rallying as a car brand to roll technology
down the track to a road car and get people
invested in your car, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Not just a road car. I think a lot of
things within the industry, Like obviously that's where electric rally
car comes in. It's sort of pits us in a
position as a team that we're pushing forward and innovation
and engineering, and that's where the lights of you know,
even trail Light, who are very similar to us, or
a small New Zealand company pushing forward in their industry
with engineering and technology the same way as what we
are in motorsports. So it's not just relevant automotive industry,
(09:29):
it's all our partners. We're trying to portray that we're
doing the same as what they are and that's what
gives us that point of difference.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Tell you what's interesting. I try as hard as I
can to follow Formula E and I'm still not on
board because of the battery. It doesn't sound right. The
cars don't sit on the road the same way. But
I look at you in an EV and the stuff
you're doing it looks normal to me. Do you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You Well, to be honest, I'm a little bit the similar,
the same. You know, our EV as a prototype where
we're doing it to prove and show how a rally
car can go fast. And at the end of the day,
rallying is about taking a car you can buy on
the show and floor and go and racing with it.
You know, formerly one you can't do that. You can't
buy a Ferrari or McLaren or whatever at your local
(10:15):
car dealership. So that's our point of difference. But also
you know, it's not just the electrification, it's also the
hydrogen that's coming in now, it's to biofuels. Is all
these different forms of energy that you know, us as
a Motus Work company, we have to take hold of
and utilize to see what's the best solution.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
I like hydrogen. Do you like hydrogen?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
To be fair, we are double on it now. Quietly
we've got some hydrogen charging solutions now that we're now
working with with can Dane Zellen, which is the first,
and then I think hydrogen will play a big part
now sport as well, So there's certainly something that we're
looking into at the present.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Fantastic, hey listen, go well this weekend and always good
to catch up with you. Appreciate it very much and
staying up late and all that sort of stuff, and
we'll talk again soon.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Great appreciate it. Thanks Mane, good.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Mate, hat and out of Estonia for you this morning.
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