The British Government has suspended seven Labour MPs for six months after they voted against an amendment to scrap the UK’s two-child benefit cap.
The Scottish National Party had voted to end the policy, which prevents almost all parents from claiming child tax credit for more than two children.
The amendment was rejected by 363 votes to 103, but seven MPs from the ruling Labour Party voted in favour of the amendment.
UK correspondent Rod Liddle says among those suspended included ex-Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As we mentioned yesterday, is about this time that we
got a whole bunch of Labor in Peace suspended, sive
of them, one of them was Epsana Began.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's something that's been going on for some time, and
there is widespread popular support for scrapping the two child
benefit cap, which we know at many think tanks, research
organizations and anti poverty charities have said very clearly it
would immediately lift out hundreds and thousands of children from poverty.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And so there's the debate. Anyway, Rod Rod Little is
with us Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Mac, Good morning mate.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We played a little cap from one of the suspend
these from the Labor Party, one of the SIVEN and
she seems somewhat surprised that she'd been suspended. Other what
are these people thick or they didn't realize the rules
of what's gone on.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, it's interesting it took Boris Johnson a couple of
years before he lost seven MP's to buy who voted
against him. It's taken Sakia three weeks. This was a
vote on child ben you know, should we pay child
benefit regardless of how many children people have. The Tories
(01:06):
put a cap on two, and the Sakia Starmar's put
a cap on two. This has led to a large
number of left wing MPs and activists within the party
changing the name of Sakir Starma to Sir Kid Starver,
which is quite neat. It's caused trouble for the Labor Party,
(01:29):
there's no doubt about that. Obviously. The government won its
vote on This was an SNP amendment, a Scottish National
Party amendment about scrapping the cap on two children for
child benefit. The government won with great ease. But not
only were the seven people voting against, including an intelligent
(01:53):
person John McDonald, as well as six morons, but there
were also fourty of Labor MPs, including a few I
know quite well and some of whom are friends who
refuse to vote at all. And it, as one Labor
MP said to me the other day off the record,
(02:14):
so I won't give the name. There are going to
be many, many very hard fights ahead with this.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Government exactly, which is my next question? Is this going
to be And we talked about this before, part of
the size of the muster. When you win that big,
you get a lot of people in there that are
going to cause you trouble.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yes, yes, it is yes, it is, though I'm not
sure that the size of the majority matters that much.
What matters is the degree to which the Kirstarma differs
at heart and a core from the vast majority of
the Labor Party activists, who I suspect if you pold
(02:53):
all the Labor Party activists this afternoon, ninety percent of
them would have been in favor of those seven people
who voted against. So, you know, I think that is
the problem in a way, you know, we compare it
to the Tony Blair years. Tony Blair sorted out the
party before he got into office. Skiers half sorted it out,
(03:16):
but it's not quite there.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yes, yes, Yesterday on the program Before We Leave Politics,
I featured a little bit of James Cleverly hit the
socials to try and spook himself as the Tory Party leader.
Is James Cleverly a man of the future or not?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Really? It's so impossible to tell with the Tories, because
they always alight upon someone who was entirely improbable to
lead them in the end, but because of the nature
of their election campaign, I don't think so. I mean,
I think there are things which are good about him,
but I don't think he has the pull with the activists,
(03:54):
which for example, Kenny Badenoch has. I don't think or
In did Swell a braverman, and I don't think he
has the kind of breadth that someone like Tom Tuganhat has,
for example. So I think he's probably an outsider. And
I've never heard him say anything which interested me or
(04:15):
made me think, well, there's an intelligence at work and
we ought to look out for this guy. I don't
mean that to be rude. He may have said it
and I missed it, you know, you know I can't.
But there are a lot of people put in their
stalls out at the moment, And I said to Tom
Tuganhat yesterday, who is one of them? Sorry? Tom, you
(04:40):
are the only white male in this contest.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Good luck with that exactly. Hey, Olympics, miss do Jardan,
who isn't going. How much trouble is she? And how
big a story is this?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
It's a big story over here. We don't like that
kind of stuff. What happened is she's one of our
topic questrians. She's in Paris for the Olympics, and she
was filmed whipping her horse twenty four times in a
rather vindictive manner, I have to say, and certainly what
many people have called a sadistic and vicious manner. And
(05:11):
she's now been forced to withdraw said she made a misjudgment.
Yeah right, and it has resonated big time here. People
are glad that she's no longer in it. The cruelty
to animals really really rubs up the British public the
(05:32):
wrong way. And you know, if I were James Cleverly,
I would cuddle a puppy every time I'm in public.
This kind of thing is also important because it tilts
into this general animosity towards equestrian sports, which includes horse
racing where so many horses die every year, the Grand National,
(05:55):
where there's always a casualty every year, and indeed now
even into the more genteel your confines of equestrianism. So yes,
it has resonated front page of every newspaper and a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
All right, mate, Go well, catch up next week A
little out of Britain for us. For more from the
Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. It'd be
from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
As we mentioned yesterday, is about this time that we
got a whole bunch of Labor in Peace suspended, sive
of them, one of them was Epsana Began.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's something that's been going on for some time, and
there is widespread popular support for scrapping the two child
benefit cap, which we know at many think tanks, research
organizations and anti poverty charities have said very clearly it
would immediately lift out hundreds and thousands of children from poverty.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
And so there's the debate. Anyway, Rod Rod Little is
with us Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Mac, Good morning mate.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
We played a little cap from one of the suspend
these from the Labor Party, one of the SIVEN and
she seems somewhat surprised that she'd been suspended. Other what
are these people thick or they didn't realize the rules
of what's gone on.
Speaker 3 (00:43):
Well, it's interesting it took Boris Johnson a couple of
years before he lost seven MP's to buy who voted
against him. It's taken Sakia three weeks. This was a
vote on child ben you know, should we pay child
benefit regardless of how many children people have. The Tories
(01:06):
put a cap on two, and the Sakia Starmar's put
a cap on two. This has led to a large
number of left wing MPs and activists within the party
changing the name of Sakir Starma to Sir Kid Starver,
which is quite neat. It's caused trouble for the Labor Party,
(01:29):
there's no doubt about that. Obviously. The government won its
vote on This was an SNP amendment, a Scottish National
Party amendment about scrapping the cap on two children for
child benefit. The government won with great ease. But not
only were the seven people voting against, including an intelligent
(01:53):
person John McDonald, as well as six morons, but there
were also fourty of Labor MPs, including a few I
know quite well and some of whom are friends who
refuse to vote at all. And it, as one Labor
MP said to me the other day off the record,
(02:14):
so I won't give the name. There are going to
be many, many very hard fights ahead with this.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Government exactly, which is my next question? Is this going
to be And we talked about this before, part of
the size of the muster. When you win that big,
you get a lot of people in there that are
going to cause you trouble.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yes, yes, it is yes, it is, though I'm not
sure that the size of the majority matters that much.
What matters is the degree to which the Kirstarma differs
at heart and a core from the vast majority of
the Labor Party activists, who I suspect if you pold
(02:53):
all the Labor Party activists this afternoon, ninety percent of
them would have been in favor of those seven people
who voted against. So, you know, I think that is
the problem in a way, you know, we compare it
to the Tony Blair years. Tony Blair sorted out the
party before he got into office. Skiers half sorted it out,
(03:16):
but it's not quite there.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yes, yes, Yesterday on the program Before We Leave Politics,
I featured a little bit of James Cleverly hit the
socials to try and spook himself as the Tory Party leader.
Is James Cleverly a man of the future or not?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Really? It's so impossible to tell with the Tories, because
they always alight upon someone who was entirely improbable to
lead them in the end, but because of the nature
of their election campaign, I don't think so. I mean,
I think there are things which are good about him,
but I don't think he has the pull with the activists,
(03:54):
which for example, Kenny Badenoch has. I don't think or
In did Swell a braverman, and I don't think he
has the kind of breadth that someone like Tom Tuganhat has,
for example. So I think he's probably an outsider. And
I've never heard him say anything which interested me or
(04:15):
made me think, well, there's an intelligence at work and
we ought to look out for this guy. I don't
mean that to be rude. He may have said it
and I missed it, you know, you know I can't.
But there are a lot of people put in their
stalls out at the moment, And I said to Tom
Tuganhat yesterday, who is one of them? Sorry? Tom, you
(04:40):
are the only white male in this contest.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Good luck with that exactly. Hey, Olympics, miss do Jardan,
who isn't going. How much trouble is she? And how
big a story is this?
Speaker 3 (04:51):
It's a big story over here. We don't like that
kind of stuff. What happened is she's one of our
topic questrians. She's in Paris for the Olympics, and she
was filmed whipping her horse twenty four times in a
rather vindictive manner, I have to say, and certainly what
many people have called a sadistic and vicious manner. And
(05:11):
she's now been forced to withdraw said she made a misjudgment.
Yeah right, and it has resonated big time here. People
are glad that she's no longer in it. The cruelty
to animals really really rubs up the British public the
(05:32):
wrong way. And you know, if I were James Cleverly,
I would cuddle a puppy every time I'm in public.
This kind of thing is also important because it tilts
into this general animosity towards equestrian sports, which includes horse
racing where so many horses die every year, the Grand National,
(05:55):
where there's always a casualty every year, and indeed now
even into the more genteel your confines of equestrianism. So yes,
it has resonated front page of every newspaper and a
big deal.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
All right, mate, Go well, catch up next week A
little out of Britain for us. For more from the
Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to news talks. It'd be
from six am weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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