Full Show Podcast: 27 August 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You're trusted Home the News for Entertainment's opinion and Mike
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
You welcome today from action to sort the power supply crisis,
the appeals caught back to the drivers over Uber. We've
got details on the next bit of the COVID Royal Commission,
the pigems and of course as is Ellison mo Yang
after eight Gatherinfield and France. Ander Brady does the Mighty
UK forus Hosky. Here's the morning, welcome to it. Here
is the futility of what the government did over fast tracking.

(00:32):
The Environmental Defense Society chair still thinks projects that harm
the environment will get the go ahead. His name is
Gary Taylor. Gary Taylor has been around forever. He loves
the environment. He has defended campaigned against the destruction before
Chloe Swarbrick was even born. There is nothing you can
do that involves cutting a tree, slashing a bush, or
squashing a snail that will appease Gary Taylor. If it

(00:53):
comes to infrastructure and in that is the problem with
the backdown. This government either wants to get on with us,
or it doesn't. Ideas will not get them re elected.
My model has always been very simple. You get your
first term to blame the last lot, implement your ideas
as you go along. So you end your first term
arguing changes underway and the fruits, if not already to
be seen, are not far off. Talking about rima reform

(01:14):
gets you nowhere. A new road does, a new bridge
does the cutting of a ribbon? And a new hospital
most definitely does. My suspicion, as we said yesterday, is
the change doesn't actually make a lot of difference. Firstly,
you control the panel of experts, so they don't surprise you.
They recommend a project, it goes ahead, and as minister
you have the advantage now of being able to blame
them if it all goes wrong. But in that mad
mix of politics versus actually doing stuff, the politics inevitably

(01:39):
plays a part. It's your image, It's the perception. Are
you a government of action? Do you get results? Or
how much of what you are about is merely a
series of announcements. What you can't fault this lot on
is one intent and two announcing stuff. Now this is
still fine. Announcing stuff is still fine, given they only
arrived at the start of this year, but as we
enter next year, results will need to be seen. By

(02:01):
election year, we will need runs on the board because
results count. The worst mistake they can make, the chickening
out of second guessing, of focus grouping themselves out of office,
but backing down, changing their mind, or saying one thing
and doing another, shows in decisiveness and weakness. My message
is very, very simple. Don't die wondering what.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
News of the world in ninety seconds on.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
The Two Wars, firstly, at least where the UN have
suspended operations.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
They said with this new evacuation order from dary al Bala,
that meant that UN staff that were operating in Daryl Bala,
essentially the operation center, were forced to flee.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
In the Ukraine, the Ukrainian resistance continues to be effective.

Speaker 4 (02:44):
Might say, we get information about Russia's occupying forces. We
also try to cut the enemy's communications. We block their
logistics so that units on the front line are hungry
or have limited ammunition. We try to kill Russian military
personnel at all costs.

Speaker 2 (03:00):
Cider Scrap's broken up between Harris and Trump over the
rules of the debate and whether they will infect be debate.

Speaker 5 (03:05):
Why do did you do something like I'm doing right now?
She can't talk. We can't have another dummy as a president. Okay.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
The truth is.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
They're trying to get out of it because she doesn't
want a debate. She's not a good debater, she's not
a smart person. She doesn't want a debate.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
They're in London, another fire and a tall apartment building,
this one and Daggingham.

Speaker 4 (03:23):
Clearly it's going to require a very complex investigation, not
only to get to its calls, but to get to
an understanding of the fire spread.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Which brings back memories of Grinfell and listens learned or not.

Speaker 7 (03:34):
It's likely to happen when you've got over three thousand
buildings left to remediate and only a limited number of
credible contractors that can actually do the work.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
And as you heard in the news fream Goren Erickson
has died aged seventy six, diagnosed with terminal cancer. Of course,
early last year, many stories, many wins, and of course
the fake chek scandal that saw them sect as England
manager back in O six.

Speaker 6 (03:53):
I would have been in secked anyhow.

Speaker 8 (03:55):
After the World Cup two thousand and six because that
was not good enough.

Speaker 6 (03:58):
Quart I find it understand that.

Speaker 9 (04:00):
But.

Speaker 10 (04:02):
I they never accept to understood that the news of
the world is so important.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Finally, cost of fish and chips is on the rise
in the UK is from the Office for National Statistics.
Single portion of the fish and chips. Listen to this,
single portion of the fish and chips is was in
fifty two percent. You're now paying a little bit under
ten pounds twenty bucks. The kebab's gone up forty four percent,
chicken and chips has gone up forty two percent, and
the old Indian takeaway is up twenty nine. That, my friends,

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is the cost of living crisis and when used.

Speaker 6 (04:33):
The world in nineties.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
And then the Canadians come to play. They copied the Americans.
Mind you. The Americans got to the Canadians and said,
by the way, have you thought about putting a really
really large teriff on Chinese evs? And justin went, hm, actually,
that's not a bad idea. So they announced over night
a one hundred percent tariffs on the imports of Chinese
made electric vehicles, So this thing's hotting up. They're also
going to impose a twenty five percent tariff on Chinese

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steel and Aluminium. Twelve minutes past six.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
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Speaker 2 (05:06):
Great debate, Ober Jerome Powell, the Fed Weather. He's left
it too late with the Americas in recession, all the
high drama. What we had this morning to give you
an indication is an uptick in the sausage demand later
sign of consumers tightening their belts. Modest growth in the
dinner sausage category. This is from the Dallas Federal Reserve
Texas Manufacturing Outlook Survey. No less category tends to grow

(05:28):
when the economy we can spying sausages. Things aren't good.
Fifteen past six, laughing John, I Will Pandreck.

Speaker 6 (05:36):
Kellah, good morning, very good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
Those Deal and Tube are given. The construction sector not
as good as it could have been.

Speaker 7 (05:44):
No, no, look, we're still working our way through the
local earning season and it is shining a light as
expected on the sort of underlying macro environment, particularly these
companies that are so more domestically focused. And yeah, a
couple of examples, Yes they steal in tube while one
of them still in tube listed on the ends that
X supplies a range of metal products to the construction industry,

(06:07):
so operating in a pretty tough environment given the week
nature the construction said to Yesterday, they announced their full
year result. Look on a positive note, the result was
consistent with guidance at an underlying earnings level. At the
top line, earnings were lower. This is due to abnormals
and that included restructuring costs. Now here's the rub Sales

(06:27):
volumes fell twenty one percent on the prior year. Revenues
fell nineteen percent, So that's a chunky fall in sort.

Speaker 6 (06:34):
Of normalized earning.

Speaker 7 (06:35):
So it looks like they are managing their costs fairly efficiently.

Speaker 6 (06:38):
In the background.

Speaker 7 (06:39):
Now, Mike, there's a term we're hearing a lot of
this earning season. It's called cost out, which is very
much self explanatory. Basically, businesses looking at removing costs from there,
you know, from their operations, and.

Speaker 6 (06:52):
That is going to continue.

Speaker 7 (06:54):
So even though we've got this sort of interest rate
interest rate falls in front of us, this cost out
is not going to go away. This very much includes
staff restructuring. You had just under four million dollars of
cost out at Steel and Tube. They do have the
advantage of having no debt, they've actually got nine million
dollars of cash in their balance sheet. They said they
expect the challenging operating environment to continue the short term,

(07:16):
but conditions should improve in the twenty twenty five calendar years,
so the old survived till twenty five theme.

Speaker 6 (07:22):
They did note the sixty.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
Five billion dollars allocated to infrastructure work by the government
in the budget over the next five years, sort of
echoing comments that we heard from Fletcher Building as well.
They talked about, you know, there's a good infrastructure pipeline
out there that's just not the work right now. So
they're forecasting that will assist infrastructure activity and obviously their
involvement to that. They're also a bit bullish on health,

(07:45):
water and climate resilience work. Yesterday the share price was unchanged,
but the economic cycle had wound for them currently.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Okay, what about some s it Yeah, retirement village sector.

Speaker 7 (07:56):
Been tough going in that sector, Mike, you' see mixed
fortunes for some of Somerset competitors. You look at Rhyme
and healthcare, which is you know, sort of share price
has been has battled. Slowing residential property sector as ahead
wind for these guys potential residents, so you know, you
got to sell your existing homes before you go and
buy into the retirement home. Look, Somerset has performed really

(08:17):
creditably in this environment. That's reflected in the share price
first half. Underlying that profit up three percent year on years,
so that's good. Also consistent with previous guidance, which was
a good outcome. Cost control the theme here as well,
keeping sales volumes up. If you look at their combined
new sales and resales of occupational rights agreements, they had
that five hundred and eighty eight of those in the

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first half. Now, Mike, if listeners now think we continue
to sort of exaggerate to sensationalize the tone of the
current operating environment, the chief executive here called the current
environment the worst trading conditions he has seen in his
tenure at the company.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
So that's over the last seven years.

Speaker 7 (08:56):
So cost out also here drop their staff so fifty
few are full time equivalent workers and we're seeing that
across a range of these results as well. Still looking
to grow though they've quite a new site in New Zealand.
They do operate in Australia as well at Mission Hills,
in Napier, so three hundred units. Their combined investment will
be in excess of two hundred million dollars. The pre

(09:17):
sales at the Saint John in Auckland, the Saint John
location going well. Look, the share price has risen recently
and over the last few years, Somerset has delivered a
better shareholder experience than others in the sector. Share price
was up twelve cents yesterday, but in this environment the
share price up thirteen percent year to date, so I
actually think not a bad result.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Really okay numbers.

Speaker 7 (09:39):
So the US under a little bit of pressure in
the US markets on a bit of pressure. The Dow
Jones down five points forty one hundred and seventy, the
S and P five hundred down twenty seven five six
oh seven, but the NASDAT the tech indext down one
hundred and ninety two points over one percent seventeen thousand,
six hundred and eighty five overnight. The Fort Sea one
hundred up just under half percent eight three to seven.

(10:02):
The Niket was down two thirds percent three eight one
one oh Shanghai Composite two eight five. The Aussi's yesterday
gained three quarters of percent, closing at eight eight four
and the ends ofex fifty up just under half percent.
Sixty points twelve thousand, five hundred and eighty nine Kiwi
dollar points sixty two oh nine against the US dollar.
Marc now that that's stronger New Zealand dollars really a

(10:23):
function of the weaker US dollar on expectations of lower
interest rates in the States point nine one sixty two
against the OSSI point five five five eight Euro point
four to seven oh seven against the pound eighty nine
point seven four.

Speaker 6 (10:36):
Japanese yen gold is still holding.

Speaker 7 (10:37):
Above two and a half thousand US dollars two five
one seven. Brent Crew, though, has jumped overnight, so there's
fears about that Middle East, the Hisboala conflict with Israel
and also some internal issues in Libya which they've stopped
all production for the moment. So Brent crewd eighty one
dollars and fourteen cents.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
To Murrow Mate Andrewkellaha, Jomiwealth dot Co dot NZIG. Monterey
Car Week's been held over the past weekend. Seventy two
percent sell through rate. Is that good? It's good but
not great. Top ten cars. Let me give you a
couple tenth most expensive car sold was a fifty eight
Ferrari to fifty GT famous car and went for five
point two million. They had a portion there on nine

(11:15):
eleven GT one went for seven million. A lot of
younger buys these days, apparently, and they want newer cars
sixty nine to four GT famous car, lightweight seven point
eight million. Second most expensive car sold was the thirty
eight l F eight C. If you've never seen one,
twenty nine hundred B look it up. It's spectacular. Fourteen
million and the most expensive car solo over the weekend,

(11:38):
not surprisingly because they're always the most expensive car sold
over any weekend. Really as a short wheel based California
Spider two fifty GT Ferrari nineteen sixty all yours for
seventeen million dollars. Six twenty one News Talk.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
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Speaker 2 (12:04):
Mike harm in construction are the saying is survived through
twenty five, not till twenty five, Mike, I hope you're wrong.
Quickly on Trump he ruled out Musk and cabinet. I
think that's a relief to everybody suggesting you wouldn't have
time there was some sort of speculation that, given there
seemed to be friends that used to be enemies now
they're friends, that you might get a cabinet job. We're
still waiting on the news on RFK. Of course, meantime,
this debate thing, he seems to be trying to back

(12:24):
out at this because he was telling NBC that ABC
was the single worst network for on fairness. I watched
ABC fake news this morning. It's the single worst network
for on fairness. I think ABC should be shut out.
And then there's the debate over the hot mics and
one of them wants hot mics and one of them doesn't,
and one of them didn't and one of them now does,
and the whole things at Cluster six twenty.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Five trending now with the Wemers Squarehouse. You're one star
for Father's Day Fragrances.

Speaker 2 (12:52):
Meantime, one of Netflix's most popular shows is back. This
is Emily in Paris. American marketing executive Emily Cooper is
hard to provide an American perspective at a marketing firm
in Paris. Despite consistently poor reviews, everyone seems to like it,
which reminds us yet again, what on earth does a
critic know anyway, So we got the third season that
dropped in twenty two. That was the most watch show

(13:12):
on Netflix that year. So the latest season, season four,
is split into two parts. So the trailer for season four,
Part two sounds like this. It is so gorgeous.

Speaker 11 (13:23):
I feel like I'm in the sound of music.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Any minute, Julie Andrews is going to be running.

Speaker 11 (13:27):
Over that hill.

Speaker 6 (13:28):
That was Austria. This is France. Please don't kill my fantasy.

Speaker 12 (13:31):
Absolutely ever, yes, if.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
You're happy, I thought, Oh.

Speaker 11 (13:37):
My god, that's Genevieve.

Speaker 12 (13:38):
Are we sure we like her? I'd love to get
a meeting with us settle. I'm not going to Rome.
It's not the first time you mix business with pleasure.
You're actually quite good at it.

Speaker 13 (13:49):
For once, do something spontaneous and reckless and un emily.

Speaker 12 (13:54):
Just have an adventure.

Speaker 14 (13:55):
Do it.

Speaker 12 (13:57):
So now you've been.

Speaker 13 (13:58):
With a French guy, British guy, and now Italian. You're
really stamp in your passport huh.

Speaker 2 (14:05):
Huh, in your past by it's got a sex in
the city vibe to it. Is that fair or not?
I've never seen.

Speaker 15 (14:10):
It except this looks terrible.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
Yeah it does. But what do you know Glynn the.

Speaker 15 (14:14):
World last I think it's well known that I know nothing.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Yeah, Season four, Part two arrives this Thursday Fortnight, which
would be September twelve. Can you believe the only reason
I said Thursday fortnight is it is September twelve, which
is it's one of those where is the year going to? Now? Uber,
I'm not surprised what happened in the Court of Appeal yesterday.
It seems to be happening in a lot of courts
all around the world. But what I don't understand about

(14:39):
it is how is it you enter into an arrangement
with somebody willingly, and then somebody else who's also into
the arrangement willingly decides they don't like that arrangement anymore,
so they'll hire a lawyer and go to court. In
the court, we'll look at the arrangement that everyone walked
into willingly and up end it. But that seems to
be what's going on so more shortly.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Through the newsmakers and the personalities the big names talk to,
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across residential, commercial and rural news talks, he'd be.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Just quickly back to the debate that may or may
not happen. You remember a week or so back, possibly
slightly longer. Trump said there were three debates. There were
not three debates. There was one debate. And even that
seems to be on. Some can teach it anyway. The
arguments round hot Mike on or off. Trump was asked
about this earlier on.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
We agreed to the same rules.

Speaker 12 (15:30):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
It doesn't matter to me.

Speaker 2 (15:32):
I'd rather have it probably on.

Speaker 5 (15:33):
But the agreement was that it would be the same.

Speaker 12 (15:37):
As it was last time.

Speaker 5 (15:38):
In that case it was muted. I didn't like it
the last time, but it worked out fine. We asked
Biden how it worked out. It was fine, and I
think it should be the same. We agreed to the
same rules.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
So we'll see where this goes. By the way, just
in case you were wondering, France does not have a government.
I just don't know how they tackles. But Catherine Field's
and chargeable, so we'll talk to her in Paris very
shortly meantime, twenty ten minutes away from seven back home
uber terms of employment case that rolls through the legal
system for drivers. Of course, winning the right to be
seen as employees. With a Court of Appeal upholding an

(16:12):
employment court case, Uber will most likely appeal this to
the Supreme Court. The employment expert, Max White here is
back with us on all of this. Max, morning to you.

Speaker 9 (16:20):
Good morning, Mike. Isn't this terrifying?

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Well, there is terrifying, and can you explain it to
me because I don't understand it, despite the fact it
seems to be going this way in most courts around
the world. How do you enter into an agreement willingly
and then have a third party, ie court, say you
can't it's not right. I don't understand how it works.

Speaker 9 (16:39):
Well, okay, so what the courts are saying is the
way to enter into employment relationship is through this gateway,
which is the gateways evenly, you know, in terms of
measuring up whether you actually qualify to be an employee
in Section six of the Employment Relations Act defines what
an employee is. Now, the application of Section six is

(17:01):
quite subjective, and I would say they've designed some rules
around it to some degree. But for I think even
the Court of Appeal, which is said the judge looked
at it wrong. The Employment court judge looked at it wrong,
but we agree with their outcome. It really is a
very loud signal that it's really much a subjective view

(17:21):
of it, and I think they're really flowing on for
what society's desire is. We've just had a government in
place which is union orientated and really for the benefit
of workers, as most employers know now because of the
costs have gone up immensely. But certainly the big thing
here in New Zealand is ninety three percent of all

(17:45):
ninety seven percent of all businesses in New Zealand or
enterprises in New Zealand are small businesses and they are
actually operating very similar to Uber. Now you've imagined this decision,
if it really was carried through, it would really have
a huge impact on New Zealand's economy, on the people work.
I would say a lot of businesses will leave down

(18:06):
something to be surprised. Uber is just one of the
unions of top nine hundred employees looking for back pay.
If this decision came out.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
And the flow and affixes one thing, So I was
going to ask about that if you're quoting section six
section six, and then it potentially applies to everybody obviously,
so is this wider than Uber. So in other words,
it has a chilling effect around a number of other industries.
It's not unique to you Uber.

Speaker 9 (18:28):
Oh, it's definitely going to affect other industries. While the
judge has been saying, oh, this only applies to four
individuals with an uber or, the reality is that it
will apply to everybody. Then. That's why we got nine
hundred employees having a go at it already, and they've
got applications in the employment authority. So it's going to
carry on right To imagine a construction company that employs contractors,

(18:52):
the way this decision has been put through clearly will
apply to those contractors and they could end up being employees.
Can I read just a small couple of sentences from
the decision. We consider it to be horribly clear that
the drivers are not in business of their own account
making the types of decisions that an independent business operator

(19:14):
would normally make. Now I would say ninety nine percent
or ninety percent of New Zealand contractors could be judged
the same. They're not in business, they're all employees. That's frightening, Mike.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Yeah, but that doesn't make any sense to me because
if I, if I decide to do something that's my choice,
isn't it Well not a New Zealand law.

Speaker 9 (19:36):
Unfortunately, it's because we're quite a social state. The begunions
have a very definite effect on this. And certainly they
can walk into a workplace and say to the two parties,
the employee or the worker and the principle of organization,
you guys, you've got it wrong. I'm going to determine
that all by going to the court and getting back up.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
So worry well, let's they go to the Supreme Court
and of course of the means I want. The Supreme
Court says, of course makes white Hea appreciate your expertise
as always employment expert with us this morning, eighteen minutes
away from seven. I will come back to it. But
they say, the critical point this is the court, the judges.
The critical point is we think that while a driver
is logged into the driver app that the driver has
no opportunity to establish any business goodwill of their own.

(20:19):
That I literally don't understand. Which does bring us to
Brook van Velden, who's here on the COVID thing after
seven o'clock, which he's also in charge of reforming labor
law in this country. The suspicion is that they will
reform it to the point fingers crossed that this sort
of nonsense no longer happens, because what you've got here
is an interventionist court, of course. But more on that
later eighteen to.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
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Speaker 2 (20:45):
I'm not surprisingly you're agreeing with my Mike. Flexibility and
supplementary income is what makes Uber so attractive to most
of its drivers. In the Court of appeal decision could
ruin an entire industry. I tend to agree this will
count for real estate agents as well. Yeah, the chilling
effective is potentially massive, Hence Brook van Velden's looking to
reform the whole thing. Micah. Uber is the direction for employment,
the nearly every bill in New Zealand now classified as employees. Yeah,

(21:05):
I mean how far does it go. It's all open
to interpretation, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
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Speaker 2 (21:16):
Captain Field, Very good morning to you.

Speaker 10 (21:18):
Good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (21:19):
Let me let me just getter at you a couple
of quick questions. Reno government, there's a caretaker government in place.
Are people happy with the caretaker government? Are the ongoing
and urgent talks to try and get a new government,
and of those ongoing and urgent talks, are people genuinely
enthused to form a new government or are we just
happy with the status quo?

Speaker 8 (21:40):
Oh gosh, sent a lot of questions off the bat.
There're like, oh, well, if you'd ask me that an
hour ago, I would have said, yeah, people are kind
of going along with it. But just in the last
hour we've had an announcement from French President Manuel Macron
that there's talks that he's been holding on Monday and
last Friday with all the representatives of the political parties
and the National Assembly have actually come to nothing, that

(22:03):
this paralysis is continuing. These two days of talks about
who will back who and who will be acceptable and
who will be tolerated has come to absolutely nothing. So
we're back to square one. He has said there's no
clear majority for someone from the far left or even
the respectable left because they are a minority. There's nowhere

(22:25):
of going forward there, So yeah, we have got nowhere.
The current government is kind of like but everyone's still
in this post Olympic buzz. It might people are still
very happy, some are still here. No one's really woken
up to the fact that this country does need to
have a government, and that a caretaking government is quite

(22:45):
restrained in the constitution. It can't, for example, do any
budget negotiations, can't change any laws. It really can just
be a caretaker. So we're all expecting the President to
come up with something, you know, within the last to
say he decided on a new prime minister.

Speaker 15 (23:02):
But he hasn't.

Speaker 8 (23:03):
He's now going to have another day of talks with
other parties from the center, center right and a few
of the hopefully center left. He says he will talk
about that, but then, of course on Wednesday we've got
the start of the Paralympics, so he'll be busy with
that all day, and then he's going to Serbia on
a visit for two days at the end of the week.

(23:25):
So I don't know when he's going to come up
with any ideas on a new prime minister. I'm afraid, Mike.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Okay, well, we'll ask you. This is why you're on
every Tuesday. We'll ask you next Tuesday. Meantime, this bloke
they've nabbed Durov. Where does this go? I mean, is
it the French You've nabbed him on instruction from others
or the French just nabbed them because they want to
do and what are they going to.

Speaker 6 (23:43):
Do with them?

Speaker 8 (23:44):
Okay, this is Pavel Durov, this Russian born billionaire who's
the co founder of Telegram, which has some nine hundred
and fifty million monthly users on an encryption network. Is
actually the French who have nabbed him, Mike. They are
operating on a complaint from Organized Crime unit here in France. Essentially,

(24:07):
what they're saying is that his platform has failed to
regulate what is going on, and on top of that,
it has continually refused to cooperate with the authorities. In particular,
they are saying that Telegram has enabled illicit transactions that
is you, organized crime, fraud. It has allowed the dissemination

(24:28):
of child pornography. It has also promoted terrorism, and they
said that because they haven't put in place any of
the mechanisms for monitoring that, for regulating who goes on,
for actually stopping the sort of activity that he is
liable for it. So the Paris prosecutor just a couple
of hours ago said the investigation will be going on

(24:50):
to that he will still be held in custody here
in Paris until at least Wednesday, so that's at least
another forty eight hours. And it's just a way of
they say, showing that they do need to take this
fight against crime social media much more seriously and in
particular chance sexual abuse material that gets disseminated on these networks.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Exactly. All right, good catch up, Catherine, We'll see nextcuse
So Catherine Field out of France for US this morning.
So an Uber driver might can work whatever else they
like a week, zero hours, ten hours, sixty hours, and
can have more than one ride sharing app open and
running at a time. Who signs up and agrees to
a contractor can actually be an employee because it suits
them year right. I actually hope Uber pulls out of
the country. Well they won't, and not to defend what

(25:35):
the court have done here, but what the court have
done here is not unusual, and there's plenty of it
going on around the world, with the exception of California.
But I'll come back to that later and next down, Mike.
If the government can't get labor to pass legislation to
support oil and gas exploration, requiring a seventy percent majority
to overturn. No companies will come to the country. We
will become an importer of the inherent risk of relying
on foreign supply. That's one hundred percent correct. And if

(25:56):
you were watching Krysto ba Luckxon yesterday, he wants cross
party support. He won't get cross party support obviously, but
at least he gave it a COVID inquiry. Hopefully will
prevent a government ever becoming giddy with power light the
authoritarian labor government wrong. This is why we've got Brook
van Belden on the program. It's all very well to
have part two, and I'm all in favor of part
two because part one's are stitch up, but part two

(26:17):
is so loose around the edges that I don't know
what they'll come up with. So more on that in
the next hour as well. Nine Away from seven on
My Cost Breakfast with the Range Rover, Villa News Talks
Bikes Away from seven just we're on workplace law. Very
interesting decision in the US judges struck down the Biden
administration ban on work a non compete agreement. So this

(26:37):
is a federal judge in Texas. So he's barred the
Federal Trade Commission the FTC and the rule they wanted
to take effect would band employee ers from requiring their
workers to sign non competes. In other words, non compete
means you can't leave it across the road to the competitor.
It was scheduled to go into effect September four. It's

(26:58):
now effectively blocked. This is Aida Brown, US District judge
in Dallas. FTC does not have the authority to ban
practices it deems unfair methods of competition by adopting broad rules,
and so the court concludes that the FTC lacks statutory
authority to promulgate the noncompete rule, and that the rule
is arbitrary and capricious. Thus, the FTC's promulgation of the

(27:20):
rule is an unlawful agency action. The rule is hereby
set aside and shall not be enforced or otherwise take
effect on September four, twenty twenty four, or thereafter. So
the more liberal your government, the more they want to
interfere in your life, and the less choice they want
to allow you. And that's why the unions love them.
Of course, because Heaven for bids you should make up
your own mind as to how you're employed and what

(27:41):
the rules of engagement are. We need courts to do
that and we need unions to look after you. Apparently
five away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
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Speaker 2 (27:55):
Little bit of insights wanting you too, how businesses are
feeling here at the moment. We've got a consultancy firm
Business Changing, and they release their latest state of the
Nation report as survey two hundred and thirty nine business owners.
So what have we got? Seventy seven percent reckon the
current economic time is having a more dramatic impact on
their business than the COVID years. Seventy seven percent. That's extraordinary,
isn't it. Sixty which is why we're having Part two

(28:16):
of the COVID inquiry. Of course, sixty three percent think
right now is the hardest time they've ever seen. It
was still in Tube that Andrew was telling us about
earlier on the main issues are getting customers to buy,
no getting managing cash flow, cost increases from supplies and
high interest rates. They're cutting back these businesses as well
as seventy five percent directively cutting costs this year, which

(28:37):
is up from sixty three percent last year and fifty
five percent the year before. That trend's going the wrong way.
Little bit of bright news. A net seven percent of
feeling negative about the economy for the rest of the year.
That's a net seven but it was twenty two percent
last year, and it was fifty four percent and twenty
twenty two, so that's moving in the right direction. So
we'll take that. Eighty percent have confidence in the government

(28:58):
to get us through. That's encouraged, which is probably why
the Poles are saying what the Poles are saying at
the moment. A year ago it was only fifteen percent,
and before that it was twenty six percent, so it's
gone from twenty six out of fifteen back up to
eighty So that is encouraging for the Prime Minister. Christ
of the Luxtion News with us after seven thirty. What
we didn't get yesterday and the postcap press conference which
I watched on your behalf was a definitive explanation. As

(29:21):
they're clearing the way they're flipping the oil and gas band.
We know all that stuff, but they're clearing the way
regulatorily speaking to import LNG, that is going to take
a year. Now, why it takes a year to shuffle
aside a bit of red tape and paperwork. I've got
no idea, but that's why we got the Prime Minister
and here's with us after seven thirty the.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Breakfast show you can trust the mic Hosking Breakfast with
al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News, Tog said.

Speaker 2 (29:50):
B seven past seven. So the government moving on this
energy sector to try and sure up the supply. Part
of it is getting the regulation out of the way
so we can get the LNG into the country. Port
Taranaki's part of it. Particul A picture of the boss
of Simon Kratik is well a Simon, very good morning
to you. Good morning make Did it surprise you to
learn yesterday from the minister that's going to take them
a year to get regulation out of the way, And
if so, why is that?

Speaker 8 (30:13):
No?

Speaker 16 (30:14):
It didn't surprise me. I mean, I think the challenges
that these projects are large and complex. What we're doing
here at the port is looking at how we can
play a role and stand up a solution that's low
cost and high capacity. But we'll just have to wait
for all of the industry to get together and the
enabling regulations.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
To be put in place, which is what I was
going to ask Channel or is interested there? The Marsden
people Genesis, I think are also interested. Is everybody coordinating
or you or all in it saying well, this is
an opportunity for our bottom line, so we'll get stuck in.

Speaker 16 (30:46):
Well, I think there's definitely a coalition of the willing
who can see the benefits of LNG import. It seems
like the gas industry Company is for the logical coordinating body,
and I think that coordination really needs to kick off
and contact with the major players that would be interested
in it. And we're looking at the benefits of our location,

(31:09):
and it's fair to say there's a range of options,
but we think our existing infrastructure, available capacity, proximity the
Male gas pipeline, and potential connection to existing underground gas
storage means we've got a number of benefits for our location.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Indeed, if they said this afternoon, go how quickly could
you make it happen?

Speaker 16 (31:30):
Well, I think everyone naturally focuses on the port infrastructure
as part of the technical solution. But it's fair to say,
the commercial considerations are very broad, so I think our
part of the physical infrastructure is actually relatively straightforward. Alergy
has changed a lot in the last twenty years. Most
of the infrastructure now floats on the floating storage and
regas vessels, so the pored infrastructure can be quite simple.

(31:53):
We think we can stand that up in around eighteen months,
but it's fair to say the lead time for vessels
could be longer.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
Okay, And so would you be in a better position
than many other ports like Marsden or Channel as they
call themselves, or any other port round the country to
make this happen quicker or not?

Speaker 16 (32:08):
It depends on scenario. We think we're well placed to
deliver on small scale lerg rapidly. As you scale up
the port would require more modifications. But then you have
to go back and say, what's the market scenario that
we're trying to meet? How much gas, how often? The
what flow rate? So those inputs are critical to a
port solution.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
Have you got a view on that, because what I
couldn't get out of the government yesterday and they didn't
seem to know, was once you get this up and running,
you presumably want to have it part of the mix permanently,
as opposed to a shortstop solution.

Speaker 16 (32:39):
Well, I think that those assumptions are critical. I think
I heard John Carnegie say this morning that everyone wants
to get a return on this investment. So the question
is what's the short term? Is this a stop gap,
intermiscient solution for dry years, does it become more of
a feature of the gas market, and does it go
away once renewable stand up? I think those are the
key questions.

Speaker 2 (33:00):
While I've got you. I don't know if it's anywhere,
but this method X thing, for example, is does that
affect you badly?

Speaker 16 (33:07):
Yes, it does. Methanole's the biggest trade through the port,
so when methinx stops producing, that definitely affects our business.

Speaker 17 (33:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
So I'm looking at your result yesterday. You gave a
nice dividend to the local council and everything. So all
of these things are interrelated, and I'm not sure that
people necessarily understand that. So methodics selling something off to
somebody else, they're doing well, good on them, but you're not.
So there's a problem, isn't it.

Speaker 18 (33:30):
Well, yeah, it's a.

Speaker 16 (33:31):
Problem for us. We're obviously here to serve our customers,
So we're you know, we support whatever our customers need
to do, but it definitely does hurt our business, and
you know, we have to think off to the medium
term around what does our business look like. It's going
to have to transition as well. So we're looking at
supporting optional whind renewable projects that they go ahead and various.

Speaker 6 (33:50):
Other things that offshore.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
When they talked about yesterday, how real is that if
it takes them a year to get rid of regulation
on LNG, how long is it going to take them
to build a mass windmill out to see.

Speaker 16 (34:02):
Well, they are very large projects, giggle wattscale projects, They
take a long time. But I think you know, the
point we keep making is if New Zealand wants to
have the option on doing offshore wind, what you need
is the right port infrastructure. We look around the world
and we see nothing happens and off sure wind without ports.
And I think that's up to debate whether the pipeline

(34:23):
bonds for renewables is going to be sufficient or whether
offshore will be required, But we certainly want to stand
ready if it is required.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Rod Stuff, Simon appreciate the insight. Simon Cratick who's the
the port Taranak and CEO endlessly fascinated by this twelve
and is past seven Also in this actually the COVID
Royal Commission. So we now got the terms of reference
for Phase two. Use of vaccines and lockdowns will be investigated.
Also whether a reasonable balance was struck between public safety
and economic disruption. The Internal Fairs Minister Brooklyn Belden's in

(34:52):
Chargeable Thisten, is with us.

Speaker 10 (34:53):
Good morning, godn'y mate.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Grant Illingworth, k C, Judith Kavanah and Anthony Hill. Who
are they and why do you pick them?

Speaker 19 (35:01):
Well?

Speaker 10 (35:01):
I picked some because I think they're all outstanding news
yonders who have broad ranges specialization within a litigation. Grant
Illingworth Casey is a highly regarded been through all aspects
of the Privy Council, Supreme Court, Court of Appeal, done
lots of litigation cases and brings that skill set to

(35:22):
the table. Judy Cavana decades worth of experience in economics
and Anthony Hill a huge experience in public health. And
this is the broad range of skills that should be
looking into what we should do from here to have
lessons learned for a future pandemic looking at the decisions
made by the previous government. Now, one thing I want

(35:44):
to make really clear is this is what Act campaigned on.
It's what we're now delivering. But it's been based on
what key we's wanted, which was to expand the terms
of reference based on what we didn't believe was adequately
addressed in what's now phase one of the commission into
the vaccine mandates, which we know had a huge detrimental

(36:04):
impact of people who weren't able to go to their
family member's funerals for example, of work, but also people
concerned it what that impact had on their children's education,
being able to have business activity. Whether or not we've
got that balance right between people not being able to
get briefleeted we didn't.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
We're living in the third recession in two years, where
one of the most hopeless economies in the world. But
here's your question when you talk to them about a
reasonable balance, define reasonable balance, and.

Speaker 10 (36:38):
That's what the commissioners will have to weigh up. Were
the decisions that were taken by the government at the
time based on information that the government was presented. Did
they use that information or did they discard it? What
was that balance versus what other countries and jurisdictions were
doing and whether or not they actually got it right. Now,

(37:00):
I know a lot of New Zealanders will say, no,
we didn't get it right. But what we're asking these
three commissions to do is delve into the facts and
come up with recommendations for the future. They'll be independent,
going away for over a year, getting evidence, bringing submissions
from members of the public who I hope we'll be
able to submit their thoughts on this inquiry too, and

(37:22):
actually come to the truth of the matter.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Okay, super quick, is your labor reform going to sort
the you the case and cases like it or not?

Speaker 10 (37:31):
But I can't talk about any particular case that might
be before the courts. But what we are clear on
is that even this court case has created uncertainty for
contractors by and large in our economy. What I'm hoping
to do is create a bit of clarity between what
is that divide between an employee and a contractor, so

(37:52):
that businesses and workers can actually have more certainty on
those barriers.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Good, go well with it, Brook van Velden, Internal Affairs Minister.
It is fifteen past seven.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
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Speaker 2 (38:08):
Chris Blaxen shortly eighteen past seven. Some question marks around
the financial health of our universities this morning, paperwork from
the Tertiary Commission to the Tertiary Minister suggests, among other things,
Massy and Victoria, for example, the books are seen as
high risk Universities New Zealand Chief Executive Chris William with
us on this Chris Morning to you, Good morning. They
don't agree how open to interpretation is all of this?

Speaker 17 (38:30):
Looked like everything? These are large, complex organizations. There's a
lot of leaders that they can pull. The one leaver
they can't pull as government funding, and of course government
controls about seventy percent of their funding, so they've got
a lot of choice around expenditure and they're making those choices.
But like most of these things, that comes down to
a conversation with government.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Correct me if I'm wrong, because I can see that
I can believe figures right, eight universities with a collective
debt of forty two million?

Speaker 6 (38:56):
Is that right?

Speaker 17 (38:58):
That'd be right? Not talking about you, yeah, well that's right.
You're talking about universities that are turning over about four
billion dollars a year, but doesn't mean they're not under
a lot of pressure. Their costs are continuing to go
up and funding unfortunately isn't okay.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
So for a budgeting a deficit to a break even
to a surplus, some of them paperwork suggests that this
is heroic in their estimations. Do you accept that or not?

Speaker 6 (39:21):
Really?

Speaker 17 (39:23):
Look hard to tell. Every university has a council. Councils
contain independent members and you know, their job is to
ensure that there is a realistic financial view of how
universities are fairing. Of course they're running upside and downside
scenarios good and bad, you know, and they're all trying
to manage their way through what is a very tough
financial situation.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Exactly how much of this is about international students and
they haven't come back and the money didn't come with them.

Speaker 17 (39:50):
Actually, it's less about that the international students have come back.
We had a few problems earlier this year with real
bottomnecks around immigration visa pro and it looks like they're
going to be fixed for future years. So there are
some students that just couldn't get here. But actually the
numbers are looking good. We're almost back to pre COVID devils.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
Okay, nice to talk to you. Appreciate it very much,
Chris Wheeler, I'm glad we've got that number right. Eight universities.
Think of the size of the university and they've got
forty two million dollars worth of DIN. I mean, really
is that a problem. Let's come back to the uber
case in just a moment. Seven twenty.

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UBA drivers have won their cases. You will aware on
this appeals court. The appeals court agrees with the employment court,
which is where it started, that Uber drivers should be employees,

(41:33):
not contractors. Now, other courts in other countries have broadly
come down on the same lines, but as I told
you last week, not in California. In California are the court,
their highest court there agreed with the people, and the
people had voted in a proper proposition that drivers should
be contractors because that's what drivers signed up to. So
you can ask the question, I suppose is democracy right

(41:55):
as it in California or is the court right? Isn't here?

Speaker 9 (41:57):
Now?

Speaker 2 (41:57):
The court heres said the critical point is think that
while the driver is logged into the driver app, that
driver has no opportunity to establish any business goodwill of
their own. Now I guess that's true. I guess, but
doesn't make any sense to me. In a pure gig model,
you get to choose right, you work, you don't work.
It's about flexibility the moment you're an employee. Yes, you
get leave, but you also lose some control. Despite what

(42:20):
the court and the four drivers think, some people actually
like flexibility and freedom. Drivers, the court said, couldn't bargain
with Uber, and that is of course correct. But that's
the whole point of a gig deal. The gig deal
is predicated on the idea that if the deal is
so bad, no one's going to work for them. And
the counter to the no bargain and all the other
lack of overarching rules and regulations. Is it simple to

(42:42):
take it or leave it. That's what it is. It's
a take it or leave it proposition. If you find
it too egregious, don't take it. If you want a
union and industrial action and pay agreements, and time and
liew and stop work meetings be a teacher or a nurse.
The tricky part, now, apart from the fact Uber will
take it to the Supreme Court, which they should, is
that the government are reviewing this workplace relations as we
mentioned with Brooker Marma ago, and given it's driven by

(43:04):
Act I, suspect it will be looking to free things
up a bit in this court case and its decision
may well be a victim of what eventually gets past
us law. No we don't, I get it. No, we
don't want seven year olds going down minds or up chimneys.
Hence we need protections. But it's not Victorian England. It's
New Zealand twenty twenty four. And if you choose to
be your own person, all power to you, and the

(43:24):
courts can stay out of your life. Asking why not
ask why the COVID Stage two inquiry doesn't cover where
all the money went? And was there any justification for
the spinabile it does it will, Daniel, don't panic about that.
I've changed my mind a little bit on that. I
was a bit unsure about an adversarial approach and this
one isn't part one or Part two and I'm concluding

(43:45):
it should be, because here's what's going to happen. As
much as I wish it was different. These guys will
write part two, and the current guys will write part one,
and we'll have Part one and part two and there
it is. Now, do you think a government's going to
listen to that? Do you think Labor's going to read that?
You think they're going to flick a copy to Jacinda
at Harbor and she's going to read it, and she's
going to go, my word, I didn't realize what a
cockup i'd made. Goodness make I'll never do that again.

(44:06):
None of it's going to make any difference whatsoever. Whereas,
at least in an adversarial approach, which is what they're
running for the example, in the UK, you get the
people who made the decisions, the Addourns, the Hepkins, the Bloomfields,
and you get them in front of people who and
you make them answer some questions, you get them to
explain themselves, and at least we're at that point we
can all see what they were thinking at the time

(44:26):
and whether or not, I mean, we know it didn't
work out properly, we know, I mean, you don't have
three recessions in two years and then go, oh, well,
work really well, didn't Mike. Let's not forget the John
Key's government promoted and encouraged and allowed the exploration of
oil and gas. These offshore companies came then left, not
because the opposition, but because they could not find any
significant commercially viable gas or authors. You're running the environmentalist line.

(44:49):
It's partially true. It is true to say that not
a lot of gas has been found, but it's more
true to say that the government decision labor had a
chilling effect. They stopped drilling, stopped investing, and they handed
them their licenses and they went to some of the
one hundred and ninety five other countries around the world
that still allow you to drill for oil and gas.
More on this with Christopher Luxen.

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Good morning, Mike, see today very well. Indeed, give us
the what I didn't get out of your press conference yesterday.
This business of LNG and clearing the regulation that Simming
and kept talking about in the winter of twenty five.

(45:43):
Why don't we just speak English? Why does it take
you twelve months to clear red tape and regulation to
bring a bit of gas into the country.

Speaker 19 (45:50):
Well, I think I'll be faster than one year. There's
two parts to it. Most of the time, frankly, is
getting it's quite complex time to get the engineering in place,
whether it's put into a porter, whether it's actually put
into an offshore or a place that can pipe it
in from a ship. So you know, there's actually an
engineering solution that takes a little bit of time to
get right.

Speaker 9 (46:09):
We will.

Speaker 19 (46:09):
We're working now with the Gas Industry Company and that
basically has to get all the regulations cleaned up so
we can then push it through Parliament and get the
legislation sorted in less than six months. And then what
we do from there is then get obviously into the
engineering solution and get it in place next year. So
you know, that's really important because you know, as you know,
we've just had a massive you know, less loss of

(46:30):
you know, I guess a New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yes, yes, indeed, and this was not probably yesterday either.
Once you get LNG into the country, does that, given
the infrastructural issues concerned, does that then become a permanent
and ongoing part of the supply mix. Could well be.

Speaker 19 (46:46):
But what we also hope overturning the oil and gas
band is that will get local expiration happening as well.
But at the moment, the global spot price for LNG
would be cheaper over to the editors and local domestic
pot price for gas obviously, and there's such a shortage
of it here in New Zealand. So we want to
have that flexibility and that security by actually having an

(47:07):
ability to import al G in fifty countries do around
the world. We shouldn't have to because frankly, we've got
gas here in New Zealand that we should be able
to pull out, you know, domestically, do you yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Because part of the argument on gas as yes, I know, labor,
I get all of that, and I understand it. But
there's been a lot of exploration up until that point
and not a lot of gas found.

Speaker 19 (47:27):
Yeah, I just say like that, before the gas ban happened,
I think it was like eighty eight thousand square kilometers
of exploration acreage under permit day. You know, it's only
six thousand, and there's been a massive you know, with
that band that's had very much an effect where if
you're a potential global investor wanting to do exploration in
New Zealand, you hear the band, you say, all cheap
as I'm out of here, I'll go to one of

(47:48):
the other countries around the world that actually wants me
and actually, to be honest, Mike Insidda, when I sat
down with the investors, high energy prices was one of
the major concerns of potential international investors into New Zealand
as well. So yeah, I don't buy that argument. We
should be exploring as much domestic gas as we possibly
can and also have the flexibility to import it when
we desperately need it, and that as an option.

Speaker 6 (48:08):
So the point turn all the taps on.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
The only point I'm making is exploring, isn't finding. Exploring
is just looking.

Speaker 19 (48:18):
Sure, But I think when you've sent the message pretty
chaostically into an international investor market to say yeah, we
don't really like you and or oil and gas exploration.
There's plenty of other countries to go do that. And
when you've got choices, and we've got to make the
environment to give people confidence to do that. And that's
why we are changing those settings, setting them out so
that people can come in and actually have confidence that

(48:40):
they're not going to be disrupted and have the whole
world turned upside down.

Speaker 18 (48:43):
On them again.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Okay, and given you guys went to some great lens,
particularly swimming, and to say this is a supply side issue,
Increase the supply will solve the problem. Does that then
mean you're comfortable with the Gen Taylor mix. In other words,
they're not gouging, they're not robber barons that if you
get supply it will solve the problem.

Speaker 18 (49:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 19 (49:01):
Look, I mean he's going to look into that now.
There's some work being done now, I think by the
Commerce Commission as well as the work that he wants
to do to make sure we've got the settings right.
But I agree with him, but it is definitely a
supply problem. I mean, when you kill gas and we
live in a country that is in a record dry year,
you've got to have gas for decades. I mean that
is reality. It's a transitionary fuel source for us. Until

(49:23):
we double the amount of renewables, that'd be great.

Speaker 16 (49:25):
We've got to do that, and we also have to
have gas.

Speaker 19 (49:28):
So it's really just about opening up all the taps
as much as possible, throw the kitchen sink at it,
and do everything we can to get abundant, affordable energy
in place in New Zealand. I mean, there's no reason
why we shouldn't, and we have plenty of natural resources
in this country.

Speaker 2 (49:42):
Are you active enough as a shareholder with the Gin
Taylors or not?

Speaker 19 (49:46):
Yeah, I think we are, and I think you also
an im on their level of profitability. But they also
need confidence to invest because we want them and I
know they will huge amounts of capital on actually doubling
that renewable electricity in GS, thermal and wind and solar
and all.

Speaker 16 (50:00):
The stuff that needs to happen.

Speaker 19 (50:01):
So, as I said, it is about making sure that
we're giving people confidence, and that's what the announcement was
about yesterday, was to say to many of those international
investors who want to do the offshore engineering solution for
LNG importation, who want to do exploration for gas, who
actually want to know that I can go a huge
number of the projects that Chris Bishop's looking at on

(50:22):
the fast track approvals that people who want to do
renewable projects. But actually the consenting times insane. It's absolutely insane.
So let's just change the rules, extend the consents, all
that good stuff on.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
The fasttrike, wind you back down on the ministerial signer.

Speaker 19 (50:36):
Well, I think it's just sort of trying to find
the balance to sort of say. That makes it certainly
a lot less legally complex, but it won't slow it
down because there was always going to a panel before
it would come to a minister anyway. And now that
panel actually does the reviewer makes the decisions. And I
think we've sort of got the balance right between the
one stop shop nature of it, where you deal with
all the legislation and you consent not just resource management,

(51:00):
you know, if it's got a wildlife impact or something
else that's dealt with, and it gives the public some
confidence the process is fair and we actually get the
projects built.

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Would you check it out?

Speaker 19 (51:08):
But no, not at Allways, we always said we'd take
some sensible changes, so that that change, I think is
a sensible change where it actually, you know, we ever
get confidence in the process that it's going to be
fair and straight, it'll be quick, and the panels have
to prioritize the economic considered.

Speaker 2 (51:24):
For people who were moaning yesterday were the same people
moaning previously. You're never going to make them happy. Gary
Taylor of the Environmental see that you don't like it.
I mean, you build a bridge, he hates you. Squash
a frog, he hates you. That's that's who they are.
So whether the minister takes it off for a panel
to make any difference.

Speaker 19 (51:38):
Well, I mean, the key thing is we've just turned
this place into obstructive obstruction economy. So we've got to
get things moving and it will be a game changer.
And I appreciate there's lots of people protests the places
I go to, and it's all very interesting, but we
are down well going to get things built. And so
we've got the balance right here. And yes we've made
a change around panel versus ministerial decision making, but you know,
at the end of the day, it's just that the

(52:00):
system getting moving for goodness sake.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Okay, nurses. I asked Chris Bishop. He didn't know, but
I watched this job fair over the weekend. Here hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of unemployed nurses turn up. They're immigrants.
They arrive in the country with a visa because we're
desperately short of nurses. They can't get a job because
no one's employing nurses. How is there such a chronic
mismatch between the visas we're handing out and the jobs

(52:23):
we're not giving.

Speaker 19 (52:25):
Yeah, So on nurses for back up a little bit,
because it has changed from sort of how it was
in the last few years. There's actually been a massive
improvement and nurse recruitment. We've got over I think it's
twenty nine thousand nurses in the system now. It makes
for a five thousand nurses from it we had last year,
so we've actually been able to recruit a lot of nurses.
We've also had less attrition and we've had a lot
less vacancies. All the vacancies have been dropping. So the

(52:49):
international nurses that came in under the previous government's open
greenlist for general nurses, that basically that the other folk
that you're talking about, there's still got to be a
role for then we've got to find a role for them,
because we've still short and specialist areas and regional New
Zealand in different places. But we also have got a
huge emphasis and a good quantity coming through of home
grid nurses. That has to be our priority in this

(53:10):
case as well. So we still need specialist areas, general
nurses and specialist areas which we hope to be able
to deliver, but we also need some very specialist nurses
in general, which is why they still stay on our
green list in that way. But the problem that the
you know when we opened it in green list the
previous administration, we brought in a whole lot of general nurses. Well,

(53:30):
actually we've done a very good job of recruitment, particularly
in the last nine months.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Or twelve months quickly on the Pacific where you're heading today.
The alban Eazy idea to run the specific policing initiative.
Are we on board with it, do we like it?
And is it to quill China?

Speaker 19 (53:46):
Well, look, it's very supportive, you know, well I'm very
supportive of it. We'll obviously talk more about it in
the week, but you know, we have a theories of
policing programs both Australia and New Zealand, often jointly, often
separately with individual Pacific countries for many years. We actually
think it's important that the Pacific country chiefs of police
sort of collectively can build their police and capability. You're

(54:06):
seeing it now, you know, you saw it when I went,
when I went to Fiji. You know, a year's worth
of mesmphetamine stored in the ocean, floating in the ocean
off the coast of Fiji going into Australia. A whole
year supply for Australian drug trade. We've got a big
problem with transnational crime, drugs, narcotics and US. We want
to work with like minded countries in the Pacific on
issues of policing and security.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
All right, go, well, appreciate it very much. Christopher Lux
and Prime Minister off to the Pacific Island Forum before
he comes back on Sunday. Then Flix back up to Malaysia,
which means I don't think he's going to be with
us next week. Fourteen to two.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
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Speaker 2 (54:43):
It be Morning Mike. I protested against the Fast Track
because of the ministerial power. I'm happy they've changed it.
The goat satisfied customer, Mike. This country needs to get
out of its head that we must change the world
when it comes to being green, crippling our economy to
make ourselves feel good. It's not a reasonable point, Mike.
Why would oil and gas it'spend billion on a twitter
year transition solution which could all fall apart whether the

(55:03):
new Labour Green's government is elected. I suspect they wouldn't
shawan them while they have previously. And you've got to
look at the style of labor government you're having. And
this is why the Prome mister reached out yesterday for
some cross party support, not that he'll get it. What
we have in this country, unfortunately, is an extreme version
of labor. If you look at the Labour Party in Australia,
they're perfectly happy with gas because they understand, in fact,
not only they're happy with gas or expanding gas exploration,

(55:25):
because they understand that it's a tranditory situation that we're
in and you need it. You might not like it,
but you need it, and if you don't have it,
then all of a sudden you're importing coal left, right
and center or an Australia's case, digging up coal. So
it's the version of the labor party you currently have
that's potentially the problem. Rental news. If you're a rent or,
I have good news. If you're a landlord, I have
bad news. Renterprice Index out this morning. It's down for

(55:47):
the second month in a row. Has that been a
while since that happened? You bet? It is six forty
five down to six forty on average, first time in
two years, back to back falls. Auckland's down one point
four percent, which on a month a lot three percent
in hawks By four point eight in Taranaki and the
reverse Southland through the roof six point seven.

Speaker 6 (56:06):
For a month.

Speaker 2 (56:07):
These will be they're a bit flaky. Month on a month,
you're probably better off doing quarter on quarter. But nevertheless
Southland six point seven percent up, Canterbury three point six
and O Tigo's six point nine up. So it's a
tale of two islands, as they say. Now, Liam Lawson,
do I have news on him for you? Shortly nine
to one.

Speaker 6 (56:25):
My Costle breakfast with Bailey's.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
How can you zee look at sending police to Fiji
when we don't even seem to have enough our own.
Don't get that mixed up. So this is the Albanezy
idea told you about a couple of days ago. It's
been in the it's been in the works for a while.
They'll be based in Brisbane, specialist facility in Brisbane. The
collectively we'll all you know, chunk in and sort of
grow our own police force. The point being the Chinese
assigning deal security deals with various places placed like the Solomons,

(56:52):
and we want to cut them out. Not that we
say it that overtly, of course, but essentially what's about.
And so it's got the support. It'll be ticked off
at the Leader's deal in the next couple of days
and so it's completely separate.

Speaker 15 (57:06):
So it's been lest people are resting people for vaping
in their cars, it's.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
All wow, I don't think so they're all over that now.
Liam Lawson, I cannot tell you how much ink is
being expressed by a various journalists around the world this
morning on the very real prospect it appears increasingly So
he's going to be at Monza this weekend racing for Williams.
So I think the Herald tried to rule it out yesterday.
I don't know where they got the information from, but
it seems to be changing literally by the hour. So
from Speed Cafe, Lawson linked to shock if one return

(57:32):
at Mons and Mons's this weekend Italy, multiple sources, James
vald has talked to Christian Horner. Christian Horner says this,
it depends on which terms and if we needed him back,
would we get him back now? Obviously that can work
their way around that. That's not a problem. Certainly if
they needed a driver next weekend, we'd be open to that.
So that's Christian Horner logan sergeant replacement plan becomes clear

(57:55):
as William's hold talks with F one start. This is
the Express in Britain covering at this morning. Vows had
talked with Horner over the possibility of bringing Liam Lawson
into the team on a nine race loan. The only
issue they would have and this is interesting, this obstacle,
This is from last Word on sports dot com Liam Lawson.
This obstacle could prevent a William's move, the obstacle being Perez,

(58:17):
and they cite Perez is still under evaluation at RedBull.
Now what's the story there? The story there is and
it's an ongoing rumor that come Mexico. Post Mexico, they're
gonna let Perees go. They're holding out to Mexico for
obvious reasons. Post Mexico, they let him go. If they
let him go, they suddenly need Lawsom back. Hence they
don't let him go. On a nice nine race loan,

(58:39):
red Bull gives green light Lawson on his way to Williams.
This is this morning. GP Blog appears to be getting
a second chance in Formula one. All signs are green.
Williams would like to have a new driver in Sergeant's
car as early as Monster, which of course is this
weekend from Motorsport this Morning. The other name in the
mixus Mcschumacher. They and along with Lawson have appeared as

(59:02):
the two major contenders. If it's good and this is
the best one of all. This is from Helmet Marco
no less when asked by Sky's Sport Overnight whether Liam
Lawson would get permission to drive for Williams this season.
If it's good for a young driver and he can
gain some race experience, we wouldn't stand in his way,
so Horner says it's okay. Marco says it's okay, which

(59:25):
is about the first time Marco and Horner rebever agreed
on anything. Certainly this year, as far as I can
work out, it is entirely possible that Liam Lawson will
be in a Williams this coming weekend in Italy, in Monza,
and that would be worth watching. News is next, then
Ellison Moye, your.

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Speaker 2 (59:56):
To come back. It is seven past eight, Elison Moye,
years back. It all began a long time ago, of course,
with the Yazoo instant fame. A year later it all
blew up. She went solo. Then it really took off,
and here we are, twenty three million albums later, on
a long gap between drinks with a new piece of
works and the tour which includes some stops. Here all
the details shortly, but firstly from Brighton in the UK,

(01:00:16):
Ellison Moyer, good morning, Thank you very much.

Speaker 12 (01:00:19):
Good morning to you.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
I was looking at your Radio two piano room. Does
the name Neil Finn mean anything to you? Crowded House
Split ends.

Speaker 12 (01:00:28):
Yes, certainly, it certainly is a name. I don't know him,
but absolutely his name.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
Yes, he was in the Radio two piano room a
couple of months ago when we talked to him on
the program and he said he was nervous as all
heck because it's done live. Was yours live?

Speaker 12 (01:00:43):
No, it wasn't live.

Speaker 20 (01:00:44):
It was a pre record, you know, So it's you know,
it's a live recording in terms of the fact that
it's done there with the orchestra and there's nothing there's
no jiggery pocria gas on, there's no editing, so it's
a live take, but it.

Speaker 12 (01:00:55):
Was a pre record.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
Are you happy with it? It was beautiful?

Speaker 12 (01:00:59):
Yeah, know, I really enjoyed it.

Speaker 20 (01:01:01):
And I think the very fact that it doesn't go
out live at that minute it kind of really helps
me because otherwise, when it's live live, I just spend
the whole time thinking I'm going to forget the words,
going to forget the words, you know, and it just
really it's really stressful. So knowing the fact that if
you do mess up, you can go again is good.
And as it was, we didn't mess up, so you know,
I was laughing.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Talk to me about your voice, it's got some magnificence.
I mean, the whole thing here is there's been a
gap between you know, records and tours and stuff like that.
But so it's been a while since I listened to you.
There's something's happened to your voice. There's a gravitas, a weight.
I don't know an age to it.

Speaker 12 (01:01:37):
Yeah, I think so there.

Speaker 20 (01:01:39):
I just think there's a kind of a great and
you know, there's a greater understanding of it and a
greater understanding of language and how you want to use
it as an expressive instrument, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:01:47):
And that you know it's less of a physical change
and more of.

Speaker 20 (01:01:51):
An emotional change, just a greater understanding.

Speaker 8 (01:01:55):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:01:56):
It's like when you're young, you think it's all about
you think it's all about the kind of showboating or
the volume, and as you get older, you understand there's
so much more nuanced to emotion than that. Sometimes it
can be, you know, sometimes it can be a really
dead internal feeling. And it's about wanting to use that
instrument to all the different degrees and not just having

(01:02:18):
it on full on all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:20):
So take me through this process. A gap between drinks
as they say, so we have some new music, will
have a you tour. How does that come about and
how emotionally do you deal with it?

Speaker 12 (01:02:34):
Well, I'm someone that really responds to the day.

Speaker 20 (01:02:36):
I mean, I hyper focused, but my hyper focus can
go all over the place.

Speaker 9 (01:02:41):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:02:42):
Right before I started a recording this album, for example,
I was at university, so I'd been at university for
four years before that. As it will kind of happen
with lockdown, everything seemed like a good time to actually
start my education, seeing as I left school at sixteen,
or else it might be in DIY, I might be
like really into building stuff. So I sort of like

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decide what I'm going to do kind of a month
by month and then and then go with it. And
it felt high time I wanted to re engage with music.
I mean, I'm fully aware of my age and the
fact that that can stop at any time, you know,
any time. I might wake up one day and find
out I can't sing anymore, in which case, without any regret,
I'll just turn my focus somewhere else.

Speaker 12 (01:03:25):
But whilst I'm on it, I want to do it. Also,
when I was in the middle of.

Speaker 20 (01:03:30):
College, I went off to do it like a guest
slot with the Tears for Fears thing, and I hadn't
sung for a couple of years and it just really
liked it. Singing live is my main focus, and so
everything I do in terms of recording is to direct
it towards the stage.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
I've got the impression, correct me if I'm wrong over
the years having followed you that because you're so talented
at music, it always you enjoyed it, but it probably
came at too great a price at times. And if
you could have been less successful but still sung, that
would have suited you. Bet or is that fear or not?

Speaker 12 (01:04:02):
No, I think that's absolutely fair.

Speaker 9 (01:04:03):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:04:03):
It's like I'm quite a cheap day.

Speaker 8 (01:04:05):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:04:06):
It's like I've never aspired to own lots of.

Speaker 20 (01:04:08):
Things, and you know, I you know, I enjoy the
fact that I'm comfortable, but that's because I am then
in a position to say no. So the idea of
doing something just to be famous or to be recognized,
that that, to me is kind of like the downside
of it.

Speaker 9 (01:04:24):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:04:24):
That's that's like you say, that's the price you pay.

Speaker 20 (01:04:27):
And that's not to disrespect anybody that supported me, because
I'm incredibly grateful for that. But I really do enjoy
just being a part of a community, part of a neighborhood.

Speaker 18 (01:04:38):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:04:39):
I like living a regular life, and it's and it's
always a bit weird when someone sees you as other,
which like often people imagine that's what happens to you
when you become well known.

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
But that's the ideal, isn't it. Because there are so
many people who get famous, love fame, and then when
the fame goes, it's they don't know what to do
with themselves.

Speaker 12 (01:04:56):
Yeah, well I think they struggle.

Speaker 20 (01:04:58):
I think you know, you see that with a lot
of people that they've had their big hit and they
do struggle from that lack of attention.

Speaker 12 (01:05:05):
Well I kind of never.

Speaker 20 (01:05:07):
Did because it's not like I was the great beauty
or someone that always attracted positive comment. You know, there's
always been a you know, there's always been quite a
task to being a bit of an addible being kind
of well known. So it's never the like it was
that much pleasure. But I think for those people when
they lose that platform, it becomes quite desperate for them.

(01:05:27):
So they're always thinking, you know, it's just I just
need the right song I just need the right song
for me. It's about I want the right song, but
I want the right song to please me. And sometimes
that suits a larger audience, and sometimes it doesn't garner
any attention at all, and that's kind of an irrelevance
to me. It's not what I'm searching after. So I
think if you are an artist and without wanting to

(01:05:49):
sound PONCEI, that is what I am. You know that
then you carry on working and you can and thinking,
you care and write and regardless about whether you've got
people watching you or not. So you know, a career
is a series of sin waves.

Speaker 12 (01:06:03):
You know, you're going to go up, people.

Speaker 20 (01:06:05):
Are going to notice, You're going to get a tension,
and then you're going to drop out of attention.

Speaker 12 (01:06:08):
And that isn't always to do with the quality of
your work. You know, that's just about the zeitgeist.

Speaker 20 (01:06:13):
And you know, I think that's fair enough because you know,
you can't expect to be centered for the whole of
your life.

Speaker 12 (01:06:18):
But yeah, it's about your reason.

Speaker 20 (01:06:21):
Why you're doing and if you're doing it to be
if famous, then you're on a hide into nothing because
no one cares about anyone for that long.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Yes, that's true. Listen, hold on a couple of moments,
Elison Moye, whethers I'll give you the dates for the Auckland,
Wellington christ It shows next year? In a moment Elison
Moya more shortly thirteen past.

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Any trepidation about stipping out?

Speaker 12 (01:06:48):
Oh, yeah, there's always there's always trepidation.

Speaker 20 (01:06:51):
I think for me, the trepidation is based on the
fact that, you know, I have been working for forty years.

Speaker 12 (01:06:58):
I have been making music and evolving as an artist.

Speaker 20 (01:07:02):
And obviously there are some people that are only going
to know you for your hits, and that kind of
comes into a couple of years.

Speaker 12 (01:07:08):
So they have no idea of the trajecture you've been on.

Speaker 20 (01:07:11):
So there is always that anxiety that sometimes people are
expecting a kind of act, and for someone like me,
they in some ways they can expect someone that's been
quite you know, you know, a typical a romantic singer,
which is is not what I am at all, and
so that could be shocking for them and so then

(01:07:32):
that's shocking for me. So it's kind of like one
of those home alone moments where you scream at yourself
in the mirror.

Speaker 12 (01:07:38):
You know, you're both a bit like that. But then
at the same time.

Speaker 20 (01:07:41):
I know I've also got you know, I have carried
with me a group of supporters that have gone along
that journey, and so you know, for them, I'm really
excited to be there for them because you know, I'm
very aware. You know, I'm quite mindful about the fact that, yeah,
I'm getting older, granny and all these kind of things.
You know, touring is not going to be something that

(01:08:04):
has another forty years on top of it. So every
time I go on tour, I'm very aware that it
could be the.

Speaker 12 (01:08:08):
Last time that I do it.

Speaker 20 (01:08:10):
So just the thought that I could come out there
at least one more time and have a chance to
perform is you know, it's obviously an exciting thing to
be able to do. And you know, and I love
the country. I love I love seeing that difference and
the beauty in the air and just watching people running everywhere.

Speaker 12 (01:08:29):
I just think is the most fantastic thing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
That's brilliant. It's a retrospective the album, it'self some new
you got some some reworks and then so so in
calling it a retrospective and looking back forty years, what
do you make of it all?

Speaker 20 (01:08:43):
Well, it's it's it's kind of a funny thing because
it's it's not exactly retrospective.

Speaker 12 (01:08:49):
It's it's kind of like a view. It's you know,
it's like a view.

Speaker 20 (01:08:52):
Over the whole thing, which is why there's the point
of there being two new songs, because this is not
like some kind of brackets, you know, this is the
other way that has that was.

Speaker 12 (01:09:02):
It's it's this is the trajectory.

Speaker 20 (01:09:04):
This is the journey that I am having and continue
to have. And like I say, you know that that
might only have a very short distance in the future,
but it's not something that's been tied off. It's like,
I'm a working artist and that's what I'm doing. And
there's also the fact that when you have been working
for forty years as a solo artist, there's going to

(01:09:24):
be a lot, you know, to be quite schismatic, that
kind of the changes in style and sound that happened
over the years. And so if you just take that
and reproduce it on stage, you can end up with
some nightmare karaoke monster you know that just just has
that has no identity of its own. And so the
whole purpose of choosing these songs, you know, they are

(01:09:46):
key songs, but they're by no means all of the
most important songs. For example, my last two albums that
I've done, you know, for me were really pretty great,
and I didn't need to delve into them. You know
that they're recent enough to stand as they are. But
the point is to pull in that whole body of
work in such a way that you can make it
a cohesive set so that when you then take those

(01:10:08):
forty years on tour, you're you're performing a set that
sits together, you know, as I spose as opposed to
a karaoke nighte.

Speaker 2 (01:10:17):
How did the study go, by the way, did you graduate?
Did you pass?

Speaker 12 (01:10:20):
Yes?

Speaker 14 (01:10:21):
I did.

Speaker 12 (01:10:21):
I got a first.

Speaker 2 (01:10:22):
Fantastic and you're going to do anything with her? Or
it was just an intellectual exercise.

Speaker 11 (01:10:28):
No, no, what it was it was.

Speaker 20 (01:10:30):
I did a degree in fine ite printmaking, and that's
kind of it was kind of been a bit of
a be in my bonnet because I'd come from generations
of lithographic printers and I remember when I left school,
because I left school at sixteen without any qualifications, and
I remember saying to my dad, who was a Frenchman,
so Doug le Giese, he learn that speak English in London,
so it's a funny old accent like he's Greek or something,

(01:10:51):
you know, but you know it's a real patriarch. And
I said to him, you know, I really wanted to
go into the print, and you know, he was horrified
not not goose loot shop.

Speaker 12 (01:11:01):
You know.

Speaker 20 (01:11:01):
So it was like one of those things that I
was kind of forbidden to go into. So, you know,
I've always been a little bit you know, persistent, and
I thought one day I'm going to get around to it.
So when Lockdown happened, and I say, I had a
bit of a chip on my shoulder because I never
did get an education, you know, did any further education,
I thought I'd go for it and then kind of
hope I focused into it and yes, and so consequently

(01:11:24):
I did the artwork on the album, and I've also
done a couple of the lyric videos with images that
I've made working with someone who knows, you know, the
technology has turned that into a movement film so yeah,
I've moved that into my artwork and then when when
I finished touring, no doubt then I should be going

(01:11:44):
back into printing.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
Then fantastic, Well it is my next year. We look
forward to welcoming you back to New Zealand. Lovely to
catch up and talk with you, and I appreciate your time.

Speaker 12 (01:11:52):
Very very much, Thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (01:11:54):
Key is the album and she's here in Auckland, Wellington.
Christ you it's May twenty one, twenty four, twenty six,
look forward to it.

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speech coming this week tomorrow, I think in fact from
Keir Starmer. It was the one I alluded to yesterday
which suggested he's going to do the whole Things are
going to get worse before they get better. The growing

(01:14:19):
speculation is that things are going to get so much
worse we need to do something about it. And there's
something we're going to do about it might well be
some tax rises, which then brings back into play the election,
the promises made and whether what we're about to see
is an abdication of honesty. And so Ender Brady is
all over this, and he is with us after the news,
which is next you're at news talks.

Speaker 12 (01:14:38):
He'd be.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
He'd be trying to work my way through a bunch
of results that have just come to the market reporting season.
As Andrew Keller had told us earlier on tourism holdings,
will be a bit of interest in that, given the
tourism market in general, and of course their business of
on selling their rental vehicles. Anyway, the upside of this
underlying net profit after tax to fifty one point eight
million dividend of five cents per sheer, continued growth in

(01:15:09):
the rental fleet up ten percent, So that's reasonable as
far as Victor is concerned. Three hundred and sixty five
million group net profit after tax for continued operation seventy
nine point nine million, sixty million impairment for the gas
distribution business final dividend of thirteen cents. Then we've got
good old enz Me, which is the parent company of
this particular radio station. Seems to be a not unreasonable result,

(01:15:29):
especially given the fragmented and fragile media market in this country.
At the moment. There's a profit at one point nine million,
increase in operating revenue, in digital revenue to fifteen million,
or fifty point one million up five point nine million.
One roof has made a profit, which is good. The
listings on one roof the inquiries increased by twenty nine percent.
Digital listing's revenues grown by sixty three These are good numbers.

(01:15:51):
Digital audio revenues up thirty three percent, podcast revenues up
sixty eight percent. Streaming radio revenue has also increased sixteen percent.
So looks reasonably bullish. There are plenty of people in
the media market losing money. It doesn't appear to be
one of them. Twenty two minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Are in the Brady very good money to you.

Speaker 18 (01:16:14):
Good morning, Mike, good to speak to you again.

Speaker 2 (01:16:16):
You too, and the sweets that Sakia is running, it's
going to get worse before it gets better. We get
a little what chance. We've got some text talking here
one percent.

Speaker 18 (01:16:25):
Yes, so we've had a public holiday today, but all
of the papers here are full of what he will
say in the morning when he makes this speech. I
think what the Prime Minister is doing is laying the
ground for inevitable tax rises. We're told that he has
inherited a forty four billion dollar black hole in the
UK public finances and he's going to use the phrase

(01:16:47):
rubble and ruin that he inherited from the Conservatives after
fourteen years. Rubble and ruin is what he has been
given to deal with. So I think inevitably the budget
that's coming in October, Rachel Reeves is now Britain's chancellor,
first female Chancellor of the Exchequer here, I think taxes
will be going up. And this speech letter today it's

(01:17:09):
a big deal because he's effectively laying the ground out
as to how we're going to deal with all the problems.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
How much political capital will he boon avet's the case.

Speaker 18 (01:17:18):
I think it's early days, but you're right, there is
a risk but he is also going to say that
it's going to take ten years to fix Britain. So
anyone who thinks he is a one term prime minister,
I think he's also setting out his stall that he
wants to be re elected. It's going to take ten
years to fix all the problems. And I mean everywhere
you look like there are issues across Britain. The country

(01:17:41):
is broken, from the potholes in the roads to the
rivers you can't swim in because of the sewage discharges.
Absolutely every aspect of British life needs fixing and that's
going to take money and forty four billion dollars of
a black hole. I mean that's before we even get
our heads back above water. So I think there will
be tough tax rises and big decisions coming. But you're right,

(01:18:03):
he runs the risk that people will immediately turn around
and say, oh, here's the guy who pledged during the
election campaign that he wouldn't put up taxes and within
two months of getting in it's exactly what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
Who comes beckheham as in regards the Tory leader, given
this sort of an a process at the moment.

Speaker 18 (01:18:20):
Well, they're fighting amongst themselves, really to see who will
be the leader, and everything I'm hearing in Westminster, pretty
Battel seems to be a front runner. Kenny Badenock absolutely
wants to be leader at some stage. James Cleverly is
riding quite high former Hallman Foreign Secretary. But I think
the difficulty the Conservatives have is there's not that many

(01:18:41):
of them and if you get the leadership now, in
all honesty, the party is a basket case at the moment.
Are you likely to see out another five years as
opposition leader leader of the opposition and then take on
Starmer in twenty twenty nine. So I think whoever gets
that at the moment will be an inter leader of
the Conservatives, teeing it up for someone else to come in.

(01:19:03):
But look, they will take lots of potshots at Starmar
in the next twenty four hours for this speech. But
I think he's just telling everyone what we already know.
That rubble and ruin is what he's got to deal with.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
If you held a poll, what's the result for Kirsty
Alsop They with her or againna.

Speaker 18 (01:19:22):
I'm absolutely with her, and I think anyone who's followed
this story, so if anyone hasn't seen this. A week ago,
she announced on social media that she had allowed her
fifteen year old son to go interrailing with his sixteen
year old mate across Europe for three weeks on a company,
just the two boys, and they successfully did it. They

(01:19:42):
got back home and they went to London, to Paris,
to Amsterdam, to Berlin. They went all over. They ended
up in the south of France, Barcelona, into Spain and
then back to the UK. Now she proudly put that
out on social media, got a lot of backlash. What's
happened today? It turns out that so Services have had
a complaint, So this has been she believes maliciously done.

(01:20:04):
Someone who doesn't like her has rung the local council
and complained to Social Services under a child welfare complaint
and it's being investigated. So she's absolutely split public opinion.
You're right, but I think good luck to her. My
young lad sixteen, he's just come back from a week
in Ireland with my parents and he had the time
of his life and he brought a sixteen year old

(01:20:25):
mate with him. And I know it's different that we
escorted him to the airport as he throw in London
and my parents went and picked them up in Dublin bus.
It gives young people confidence and at some stage we
need to cut those baby strings.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Yeah, exactly, couldn't agree more. Our kids were flying from
a very young age by themselves. In this country. We
stick little tags on their arms and they get looked
after by the earline. But they always made it and
they always came back. Now, Spynn Goren Erickson unwell for
about a year, a year and a half or thereabout.
Where does he sit in the panels around the annals
of history there?

Speaker 18 (01:20:56):
Well, I think he will get down as well as
historic football manager for England because as he was the
first foreigner, the first non English person to get the job,
and there was a big hullabaloo when he got it.
Was there no one good enough in England, no one
English who was good enough to manage England. And then
he quickly started winning matches, and of course, as we've
seen in any sport, you know, as soon as a
win starts happening and more wins come, everyone gets on board.

(01:21:20):
I think he was desperately unlucky not to win something.
With the England squad he had at the time played
sixty seven matches one forty he had peak David Beckham
in his prime, Frank Lampard, Stephen Gerrard, Ria Ferdinand, very
very good players. And it's an absolute tragedy what's happened.
Spen seventy six, diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, but he gave

(01:21:41):
some really intelligent interviews in the last few weeks. So
he's passed away in Sweden with his family by his side.
But then one little quote that he said last week
was that one aspect of life that nobody ever talks
about is death.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Yeah, it's true. Good on you, Mike, we'll catch up.
I appreciate it very much. Into Brady out in Britain
this just before we leave their sixteen away from nine
by the Paskimes. I'm really about the number of neats.
Neats is a sort of a you can get the
term all over the world, but they're basically young people
who are not in employment, educational training, and this is
part of what's wrong with Britain at the moment, sixteen
to twenty four year olds. It's reached eight hundred and

(01:22:15):
seventy two thousand neats in Britain and that's up seventy
foury twelve point two percent of all young people sixteen
to twenty four. And I say young twenty four is
not young twenty four to twenty three. Twenty you know,
it's not young neat. So they can be unemployed actively
seeking work, and as Rod has talked to us before,

(01:22:36):
they can be economically inactive, not seeking work. And that
is the great post COVID fear is that people went
home decided that sitting on the sofa was probably for
them and they never got offered. About two thirds of
neats fall into the economically inactive category. It's becoming a crisis.
Eight forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
Mic Has fifteen. When I went into railing forty five
years ago, a very popular in Europe, great way to
see the world, and nobody question what we did. It
was the thing to do. I blame over protective parents.
Mike at sixteen hours alow to go on a train, hitchhiking,
camping with a mate around the South Island. Great memories,
all part of growing up. Mikela's uber decision really muddies
the water sign up as a contractor. Then when it
doesn't suit you becoming an employee without negotiation, and can

(01:23:24):
sender of your employee, yeah, report it suggests. I mean,
I know it's all union based and stuff like that,
but when we report that it's good news for drivers,
it's not because many drivers. There are four drivers who
have taken this. For the four drivers to this point,
it is good news because that's what they wanted. But
for the many hundreds of drivers who didn't want it,
it's not good news at all. It up ends what
they thought they had, so there's nothing good about it

(01:23:44):
at all. By the way, Yampy Sound my sister in
laws and Brisbane at the moment, having the time of
a life set it was thirty thirty one degrees the
last couple of days. I thought, geez, that sounds warm
and there's a massive, massive thing over the top part
of Australia in terms of heat and Yampy Sound yesterday
was forty one one points six. It's in the Kimberley
and that's a new winter temperature. Never been hotter than

(01:24:05):
forty one point six in August in the Empty Sound.
And they've got this weather going to wa Nt and
New South Wales as well as Queensland for the rest
of the week and that presumably we'll get across here,
which is part of the ongoing. As I said yesterday,
when I left the country on the weekend it was
twenty degrees. I mean, it's just ridiculous at the moment
the world's changing. Must we have something to do with
climate change? I don't know if anyone's thought about that.

(01:24:26):
By the way, quick quiz, you're ready for this? This
is too stupid for words? How many? And I thought
about this this morning ironically because in my area's you know,
there's little bins they put out. Won't be around the
whole country, but they've put these tiny little bins at
the size smaller than the size of a ten liter
paint can. And they put these little bins out and
I don't even know what goes in. There's a food waste.
I think it's food, correct.

Speaker 15 (01:24:47):
I believe it's supposed to be food waste.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yeah, So some people put them out and some of
them blow down the street. A lot of people don't
bother anyway. In Wales it has been announced overnight that
they so we've got three it'd have a red lid
in Now you're red lid. Thats your standard, you'd have
your what's the recycling blue? Is it yellow? It was
not at our places? What are you yellow?

Speaker 15 (01:25:08):
I don't think you want to get too bogged down
in the colors.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Because have we gone just definitely we got through.

Speaker 14 (01:25:12):
In different places. You're going to have different ways. Yeah,
but we've got three basically ye Whales. They have the
highest number average number of bins in the UK. They
are second in the world for recycling household waste, only
behind Germany. So God knows, I must investigate over God
knows how many bins Germany's got.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
They have on average in Wales ten ten bins per
house At which point you would ask the question is
really worth saving the planet when you've got a deal
with ten bins? And what do you put in those
ten bins? And does anyone actually follow us?

Speaker 15 (01:25:45):
Does the same people another question? Does the same people
make the bins that makes the cones?

Speaker 2 (01:25:50):
It's pretty good question, very good.

Speaker 15 (01:25:52):
Somebody's somebody's part of a.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
Lot of plastic being made. There isn't there nine away
from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
Asking breakfast with the range river The News.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Talks just a research department onto the German situation, visa
VI the bins. You can recycle dead animals in Germany
for reasons best known to themselves. And you can also
drop your deer heads, which means you obviously had to
one kill the deer, but then slice the head off
and then take the head presumably what in a bag

(01:26:23):
or at the back of your car to the dump
where they then make it into lip balm, not just
lo bam. How do they put the watermelon flavor in?

Speaker 15 (01:26:40):
But certainly next time you are purchasing a lip barm,
just haven't have another little squires exactly what the ingredients are.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Delicious, Mike, make all the bins orange so they can
work as cones on the side of the road. Dave,
that's very good. Mike twelve years old nineteen ninety six
went to Japan by myself for three months. Three different
families who didn't speak English spoken to Japanese. I got
myself from Tokyo to Amori in the north. Parents wrap
the kids in cotton wool, and that doesn't do the
many favors in their adult I tend to agree with you, Mike,
thought you might like to know justineing a guy using

(01:27:10):
a leaf blow at blow puddles and Manecow, South Auckland.
It's persisting down here, just over nothing wrong with that.
I dry my car with a leaf blower. It's very
very effective, and it saves shemying the thing too, and
it speeds up the process, and the neighbors love it.
Of one hundred percent. That's doing the basics brilliantly. Five
minutes away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Trending now Warehouse, the real House of Fragrances.

Speaker 2 (01:27:35):
You know the rule seven am, don't you? Seven am
on a Sunday. You can wind her up, no problem
at all.

Speaker 15 (01:27:39):
I don't think that is the rule.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
Is that not the rules rule of Mike, the rule
rule of my place? Bill Mark, Quentin Tarantina wade into
the Alex Baldwin Alex Baldwin rust saga. So you know
the story. She died, he got charged, then that got
thrown out. So there's a two hour interview on this.
Margo's on a rank claiming Baldwin should be no response disability.

(01:28:00):
Tarantino doesn't agree.

Speaker 11 (01:28:02):
The armorer is ninety the guy who hands the gun.
Then armor is ninety percent responsible for everything that happens
when it comes to that gun. But but but but
but but the actress ten percent response the actress ten
percent responsible. It's not just it's a gun. You have

(01:28:23):
to you are a partner in the responsibility to.

Speaker 2 (01:28:26):
Some degree what to test it.

Speaker 11 (01:28:30):
They show it to you, you go. If there's steps
to go through, you go through them, and you do it,
and there's a and you're done with due diligence and
you know it's it's for real.

Speaker 2 (01:28:43):
When they start the podcast, does Bill Mago and Ellison
Quentin will probably get onto the rust thing or do
they literally just make that stuff up as we go along?

Speaker 15 (01:28:53):
But but but but but but but you're there, the
most successful podcaster in the country. You should not ask.

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
They don't want to give me started on the old podcast,
but getting in it's I just don't know this too
is to me. My wife had a three hour one
the other day that she listened to over I think
it was several days and I'm just thinking.

Speaker 15 (01:29:10):
You should have put it on women one and a
half speed. That's what That's what all those smart podcast
listen listeners do.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Back tomorrow morning from six there's always happy days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:34):
For more from the mic asking breakfast listen live to
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