Full Show Podcast: 24 September 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The
mic Hosking breakfast with our Veda, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way,
news talks.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
He'd be welling you welcome today. Some good news on
New Zealand ink one, Kiwi fruits booming and we seem
to have some genius going on with methane co two
and biomass. Also the Polkinghorn verdict. Did the coppers blow
it at the Star Witness the PM does Tuesdays. We've
got to look at the lark and genius of Warren
and money as in the architecture. Joe's in Europe for
us and Rob is doing the business out of the UK. Hosking, Tuesday,

(00:30):
seven past six.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Now.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
A couple of things interested me with the governments back
to work edict yesterday. One we need a back to
work edict and the fact we didn't have one till
now and two, not surprisingly sadly, the admission no one
knows what the hell's going on? Who is where? What
percentage of time people aren't there, are there when they are,
or aren't compared with any other piece of the public service.
What are mickey mouse shambles? The Australians have crunched the numbers.

(00:55):
The savings. I told you this the other day. The
savings for individuals in terms of money not spent is
in the tens of billions of dollars per year per state.
They of course have had return to work notices for
a while now, although I know New South Wales only
did their public workers a couple of weeks back. Saving
money by not dealing with traffic is probably an upside
to working at home, right, And I've always thought that

(01:16):
this business of teamwork and camaraderie is a bit overstated,
and if not overstated, it certainly hard to prove. You
can prove what you save not going to work, a
bit harder to show what outworkings have been achieved by
all hanging around the kitchen together. The other odd thing
has been my naivety. I honestly thought we had it
sorted ages ago. I assume I assumed we had a

(01:38):
policy in place. Obviously, Wellington's a mess, but working from
home is only part of the equation. I mean, the
clowns who run the city are more responsible, surely, with
their determination to destroy any signs of livability. And also,
don't forget for every coffee that isn't bought in Lampton Key,
this one being purchased in places like Eastbourne anyway. The
skiving's over another of these lenient take the mickey out

(01:59):
of the COVID year's ideas has been brought to an end,
or will be shortly. But you've got to wonder about
the government, don't you. All the privates had this sortid
ages ago. But good old dumpy Doo Wellington, no policy,
no decisions. Everyone's at home for a good long weekend,
all pretending its business as usual. Well, the jig is
up and on balance, as hard as a park might
be defined or a bus to catch. I think we

(02:21):
are better off in general at work than at home
pretending it's normal.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
News of the world in ninety seconds, right.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
More updates Zelenski's in America tell you more shortly. But
in the Middle East, the Israelis are back big time
into Lebanon.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
His Rais had.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
Carried out more than three hundred hour strikes, predominantly across
southern Lebanon at the moment, killing, according to the Lebanese
Health Ministry, more than one hundred people. And we assume
that civilians are among the.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Dad and after they bomb they spin.

Speaker 6 (02:50):
Krisbela endangers the people of Lebanon. They use civilian civilians
as human shields to hide its weaponry and carry out
attacks against his than from within that country.

Speaker 2 (03:02):
So tired the blake the rounded up outside the golf
course looking to cause cannage the other day it turns
out to have been stalking Trump for a month and
also turns out he had a litter on them.

Speaker 7 (03:10):
It does state very queerly in this letter addressed to
quote the world saying that this was an assassination attempt
on Donald Trump. Ruth is currently only facing there's two
gun charges.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Being a bunch of stuff on following in the UK
one the nurses are going on strike again.

Speaker 8 (03:25):
It is always something that we have in our toolkit,
but what we really want to do. We know that
patients have had enough. At the moment, the satisfaction in
the NHS is the lowest in its history. We do
want to be part of that solution.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Should we ban the term talkkit to the government are
having the first post election conferences is the one where
you blame the last lot for all your trouble.

Speaker 9 (03:46):
You'll hear many things that their conference next week, but
you won't hear an apology. No apology for the cost
of your mortgage, no apology for crumbling classrooms and rising
waiting lists, apology for mismanaging our public finances.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
And three training a lot. And this poor woman got flooded,
so she rang insurance.

Speaker 10 (04:06):
I've got no idea how much it's going to cost.
But we have found out that there's a clause in
our insurance that doesn't cover us for flood so we're
not insured. So I don't I don't know, I don't
haven't even I don't even want to think about it.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
No, I don't blame it. Finally, they're anticipating records to
be broken in New York when Christie's puts up a
Margrite for sale. Rene Magriet is famous for exploring light
in the sky above a darkened scene. They did twenty
twenty two one of the pieces Soul, for one hundred
and twenty seven million. This was at Southby's, the latest one,
which is spectacular. By the way, look it up. It's

(04:41):
expected to be about one hundred and fifty one million.
It'll be a boost to the market which is soft
right now. And once you've looked up the picture listened to, this.

Speaker 11 (04:50):
Can you choose.

Speaker 2 (04:52):
He did several versions of this. The latest was an
album called In the Blue White, where he took some
old songs that he wasn't sure about and re imagine
them with an orchestra. And I think the song benefits
from the experience Renee and Georgette mcgreet with their dogs
after the war, the genius of Paul Simon. Who's more genius,

(05:15):
Margret or Paul Simon. There's your questions? Well, and it's past.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Six the Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,
vowed by News Talks be Yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I mentioned Zelenski's in the States. He arrived yesterday. He's
been in Scranton, which is where was where Joe comes from,
of course, but it's where they make some of the
stuff that he fires into Russia. He's going to Congress,
He's going to the UN. He's going to present what
he calls the victory Plan to both Harris and Trump,
and so the UN and Washington and I think both

(05:49):
Houses of Congress as well. Fifteen past six, it's a
cast of living from JMO Wealth. Andrew Keller here, Welcome
to Tuesday. Good Morning, Mike.

Speaker 12 (05:58):
The troubles for Fletcher's ever in no, but they look
what they did yesterday was a proactive step and I
think probably quite a good one. So very busy starts
of the week yesterday, I mean Fletcher Building tapping the
market for more cash and sort of attending to their
balance sheet. Now, Mike, the actual rumor mill was working
sort of pretty harder, particularly across the Tasman towards the

(06:19):
end last week and over the weekend on this and
those rumors were substantiated yesterday morning when Fletcher Building announced
to the Exchange a large capital raising. So this of
course coming hot on the heels of the very large
Auckland airport issues. So the retail aspect of that is
still ongoing. So Fletcher Building raising seven hundred million dollars.
The purpose or the use of the funds I'll be

(06:40):
using it to repay debt. As I said, it's no
real surprise to the market. Might speculated for some time
that the balance sheet may need attention. There's still you know,
we knew this before the capital rate, that's uncertainty ahead
for the company, earnings potentially still coming under pressure. You've
still got uncertainty around the resolution of the pipe issue
in Australia. Bank debt covenants, they have to be considered.

(07:03):
So yeah, as I said, the company's taken what I
think is a prudence step and a proactive step to
manage that balance sheet risk. As with the airport issue,
the transaction is split between an institutional placement that's turned
an eighty two million so that's the big end of town,
and a larger four hundred and eighteen million dollar entitlement office.
So if you are an existing Fletcher Building shareholder, you

(07:25):
get you're entitled to one share for every four point
foury nine that you own two dollars forty a share
is the is the price at a discount to Friday's
closing price. And look, just to give you an idea
of the size Fletcher Building market cap at the most
about two point one billion, so it's a fairly large,
chunky part of the current market cap. As part of this,

(07:46):
yesterday management provided a trading update and here you've got
a highlight on that earnings pressure. So they said the
volumes in their materials and distribution business in July and
August were down ten to fifteen percent, so you can
see there there's more pressure on margins. They're homes, they're
selling at a lower pace, So they were doing about

(08:06):
twenty a week, they're now only selling fourteen a week.
And Mike, you and I have talked about cost out,
you know, this is the the latest thing. Well, they're
trying to cut costs. They were looking for one hundred
and twenty million dollars of savings a year in the
financial year twenty twenty five. They're now looking for one
hundred and eighty million dollars worth of cost saving. So
what this does do make it takes pressure off the

(08:29):
company from having to look at asset sales. It's not
a great position when you are a just stressed seller
of assets. You don't get the best price for them.
So it gives them incoming new management teams some breathing space.
Just as an aside too, you potentially see selling pressure
in other companies now because you've got investors out there saying, well,
I want to take at my Auckland Airport shares, I

(08:49):
want to take at my Fletcher Building share, so I've
got to raise the money from somewhere. So we may
see sort of selling pressure in other companies. But yeah,
the big announcement for Fletchers.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
And they're not the only ones in the market for DOE.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
They are not.

Speaker 12 (09:00):
You know, on top of that, there's been a bit
of a surge in companies borrowing money. So this is
not this is not share capital, this is dead over
the last few days. So last week Westpac did a
bond issue last week, a big one, over a billion dollars,
a five year deal. Now people buying that at four
point three four percent, which gives you an idea of
how far rates of fall and contact energy. They announced

(09:23):
that what's called a capital bond deal yesterday that's to
fund their purchase of Manawa Toyota Finance. They also raised
money yesterday two hundred and fifty million dollars in total.
So you've got to think about this fulln interest rates, Mike.
It makes interest rates on these deals less attractive for
investors although they're having no.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Tot of selling.

Speaker 12 (09:41):
But the other side of a coin, the borrowers, it
makes it good for them, and we're seeing borrowers respond.
So but look, lots of lots of capital raisings.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Going on, busy, busy.

Speaker 12 (09:50):
What are the numbers, right, They're all good, which we
like to see that on a Tuesday when the offshore
market's kicking and twenty five on the Dow Jones, it's
up sixty two points point one five percent. The S
and P five hundred is up ten points, so a
modest gain point one nine percent five seven one three,
and then Aztex up point one five percent also seventeen thousand,

(10:13):
nine hundred and seventy five.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
As I look at the.

Speaker 12 (10:15):
Moment overnight forts one hundred gain just over a thirty
percent eight two five nine, the Nike up one and
a half percent, up five hundred and sixty eight points
thirty seven thousand, seven hundred and twenty three. Big move there.
Shangha comp set up twelve. The aussis yesterday lost point
six nine percent. That's fifty seven points eight one five
to two the mark the internets fifty we lost seventy

(10:37):
four points points six percent twelve thousand, four hundred and four.
On the currency's Kimi dollars strong as an ox point
sixty two seven four against the US point nine one
sixty six Oussi point five six four to Euro point
four to seven oh one pounds Japanese n we you
get eighty nine point nine six five Kimi dollar gold
also very strong two thousand, six hundred and twenty eight

(10:58):
dollars and Brent proved seventy three dollars and ninety two cents.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Catch up tomorrow, Andrew kellihert Jomiwealth dot Co dot m
Z passking you believe it. Tamagotchi, You're back. Global sales
have more than doubled twenty two. On twenty three, they've
just opened their first ever shop in the UK. Not
even when they were a hot thing in the nineties
did they have a shop. And now it's more sophisticated
as you can imagine. Wi Fi download all sorts of

(11:24):
different things. Officially relaunched in twenty nineteen. So when your
kid comes home with a Tamagotchi and you wonder what
it is, They're back. Six twenty one. You're a newstalk s'bo.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
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Speaker 2 (11:42):
A guy called Freakin Dan. He's a billionaire. US bought
Everton overnight. He also owns Roama. He's worth seven and
a half billion dollars. I don't know what he paid
for evidence, but wouldn't have been much comparatively speaking. He's
got a ninety four percent stake, they're useless. If you
follow the EPL their nineteenth twenty last season, they got
pinged on points and all that sort of stuff for
you know, some financial regularity. So hopefully he can he

(12:02):
can right the ship. As they say, agencies and Crown
entities Mike manage their WFH policies exactly like the private sector. Well,
for a start, you're wrong because you didn't see the
post cabinet press conference yesterday. I can tell you right here,
right now, and this private sector company, I could guarantee
you the management know exactly how many people work from home,
when they work from home and why. If you watched

(12:23):
Nichola Willis yesterday flailing around trying desperately to explain what
they know or didn't know about who was where, why
when and how. It was just embarrassing. Not her fault,
but I mean, it's just a joke. Text continues. My
days working from home with no travel and distractions the
most productive, and even in office it's normally full on
zoo meetings as the workforce is national fair enough, and

(12:44):
on individual cases. And I think this is what the
government is saying. It's not the end of working from home,
but they've just got to get a bit of rig
around it, because literally they've got no idea at the
moment what's going on. Furthermore, you've got a lot of
texts in this morning suggesting the councils are a pro
and I don't think the government can do anything about
the councils, but there are plenty of people in the
council world who were working from home. Six twenty five

(13:07):
trending now with ms Wells, the home of big brand
skincare now back to the war in Ukraine, fought on
several fronts, of course, first as the battlefield, the other's propaganda.
So the Kremlin have launched another of their so called
documentaries overnight on their pro Putin TV channel. It's actually
only a fourmnuive video. It's in English, shows the effects
of a nuclear bomb detonating in the middle of London. Now,
the plan as you freak the palms out so they

(13:28):
capitulate when it comes to allowing Ukraine to fire off
those new rockets deep into Russian territory.

Speaker 13 (13:33):
Imagine for a moment that the unimaginable happens. A nuclear
weapon explodes over London.

Speaker 11 (13:39):
A fireball as hard as the sun rapidly expands, reaching
a radius of nine hundred and fifty meters. Anything trapped
inside this fireball is instantly vaporized. In our simulation, the
epicenter of the explosion is at Westminster. Within five kilometers
of the epicenter the blast radius city of London.

Speaker 13 (14:00):
Camden Town, Kensington, Brixton. These areas will receive the most destruction.
Given the population density in central London, the initial death
toll could exceed two hundred and fifty thousand people, according
to various estimates. Further, four hundred and fifty thousand people
will die from burns, debris injuries or radiation sickness, and

(14:22):
over a million will be traumatized.

Speaker 14 (14:25):
Traumatist, I'm already traumatized and it hasn't even happened yet.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
I'm going to be traumatized. Funny old headline flighting around
this morning. Japan is pushing a four day working week,
but its workaholic culture makes it hard to sell. So
in Japan they can't get them home. In Wellington they
can't get them into the office. Oh the irony. Joe
McKenna is in Italy. Millenie's on the world stage this morning,
so we'll get you an update and she's got a
spag and a can update as well, so you can't

(14:51):
miss any of it. But we'll get into the New
Zealand economy with some very good news around Kivuit for
you after the news, which is next.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
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Speaker 2 (15:10):
Mike I worked for Top four bank based in Wellington.
We get a new building, which means the clue there,
I think is that you'll be the bn Z once
you anyway doesn't matter, but at the moment we only
get about twenty percent of the people coming into the office.
Corporates and no better than the government. The point being
though privates can do whatever they like, that's their business,
and if they want to let some people be at
home or not be at home, that's that they've got
a policy, They've thought about it, they've implemented. The point

(15:31):
was the government hadn't. Mike, I'm a CEO, unilaterally stopped
work from home ran a productivity software as well. The
work from home team were half as productive as those
in the office. The government has a real issue though,
as the employment contract initially talks about flexible working conditions.
What absolute rubbish. Twenty three to seven, Joe VI kenn
is doing the business for Katherine. Catherine's on holiday in

(15:53):
Italy and Joe's been away in London but has just
touched down in Rome, so it's all worked out well.
At the end of the day. She's with us shortly. Meantime,
Very good news for New Zealand Inc. As our Kiwi
Fruit Grows continue to do the heavy lifting. Export values
are at their highest point ever. This is in the
year to August three point one billion dollars, which is
a twenty percent increase on last year and dollar terms
that's five hundred and twenty four million. Will Bank that

(16:14):
all day long. Chief Executive of New Zealand Kipi Fruit Grows,
Ink Colin bonders with us. Colin, very good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (16:21):
What do you like?

Speaker 2 (16:21):
Does it feel like you're doing well if you wander
around the fields and the paddocks.

Speaker 16 (16:27):
Yeah, it absolutely does. Those numbers to August taken the
last end of the twenty twenty three harvest and the
start of twenty four and twenty four. It has been
stelling year. I'm up in grease actual Europe at the moment,
and feedback up here is really positive about our product.
So I think this is a start of more good
times to heat.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Up in Greece at a conference. Are you working hard colin.

Speaker 4 (16:50):
Conference?

Speaker 16 (16:50):
Having yes, catch you we grow with some other other
regions around the world, and also having a look at
the kiwi fruit in the supply chain. We are what
week thirty eight now in the season and the fruits
holding up extremely well in market.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
What is the situation with these international growers you've got?
Is this the way of the future. Is everybody in
the industry broadly happy with the arrangement we have.

Speaker 16 (17:12):
I think when the industry was put the single test
structure in place nearly thirty years ago, it was with
the intention of having twelve months supply. We're doing a
fantastic job of producing that fruit out of New Zealand.
But I was speaking to consumers all of the time
up here, and they enjoy their kiwi every day of
the year, So we want to make sure that kiwi
is esperate keywy fruit. So we have some work to

(17:34):
do to make sure we've got twelve months supply, But
there's a lot of team growers here in the Northern
Hemisphere who want to be part of the family.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
How is it? And I didn't realize this, and this
is my ignorance. Gold is good in China, greens more
in Europe. Why the split? What's happened there?

Speaker 4 (17:50):
Well?

Speaker 16 (17:50):
Green Europeans recognize the health benefits of green and always
have in China, They've got no shortage of green fruit themselves,
so they're keen on the new variety entering the market
and understand the vitamin see benefits of gold. So good
to have, good to have a foot in both camps.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
I reckon? And where's red at and how good could
it be?

Speaker 16 (18:12):
Red from a consumer perspective is excellent. The challenge is
how long it stays in the supply chain. So we're
producing close to a million trays in New Zealand now
for the Southeast Asia markets. And again I've had no
shortage of conversations in the last week with European consumers
who'd love to find a way to get their hands
on some ruby red. It's just a matter of how
we can get that producing in the Northern Hemisphere closer

(18:35):
to the market, right, And.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
What about the trade deals, the deal we've done with Europe,
the deal we've done with the UK, all that sort
of stuff. Do you feel the difference of those sort
of deals or not?

Speaker 4 (18:44):
Absolutely?

Speaker 16 (18:45):
And I say where I mean growers. Those sort of
deals growers put money back and growers pockets so at
a time when their cost of production on orchard is increasing,
every little bit counts. So absolutely we're all for trade deals.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Fantastic, well, good to get. And I always like to
remember whenever I talked qub for it, you remember Meham,
You remember PSA, and you remember the misery and the
woe and the concern and all of that, and you
look at you guys. Now it's one of the great stories,
isn't it.

Speaker 16 (19:12):
Well, it really is, and you're only going back a decade.
But other than a couple of bumps along the road
where now I'm really long in trend and we hope
can do horticulture. We get reminded from time to time
that it's not all going to be playing sailing, but
we're just got to keep focusing on the future because
it's very bright. People want our products. It's a great
product with a great brand. New Zealand think should be

(19:33):
proud of what we're doing, and we should all be
I think supporting the journey very well.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
Said go well, Colin, appreciate it. Colum Bon, who's the
New Zealand queby for it, grow as a CEO who's
with us from Greece this morning, nineteen minutes away from seven.
I cannot forget about the asparagus. Now here's the headline.
A bit of worry in the asparagus fields at the
moment because of course there's a lot of green veg
out there at the moment, and that means the prices
are down and the season is just coming underway. We've
had a couple of servings of asparagus early season. Asparagus

(19:59):
is the greatest thing in the world. I didn't think
it was that expensive. They're claiming it's still a little
bit expensive around the country. I didn't think it was,
but I would pay anything for fresh asparagus. But that's
that's underway at the moment, and so not only have
you got asparagus, but you've got a lot of green veg,
so therefore the prices are down. Therefore it's more affordable.
Then It's never been cheaper to be healthier, So get

(20:21):
into that eighteen to two.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
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Speaker 2 (20:28):
Talks a B. I should tell you before we get
to Joe that all of Schultz, who runs Germany not
particularly well but nevertheless is hanging on by the skin
of his teeth. He won Brandenburg over the weekend, another
one of these regional elections. You remember the AfD A
couple of weeks ago. They won in one, came second
in another, and there was some real concern that if
they won in Brandenburg, Schultz was toast. He's won, but

(20:51):
not by much his part. He got thirty one thirty
two percent. The AfD got twenty nine to thirty So
there's still a force to be reckoned. With sex forty.

Speaker 3 (20:58):
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mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Now it is Tuesday, but it detraits Bonus Tuesday. Let's
call it bonus Tuesday. Joe mckennon's with us eatterly, very
good morning to you, Good morning way. I'm looking at
a photo currently of Georgia Maloney, who seems to have
got some sort of vice like grip on elon Muskin
doesn't want to let him go, and she's looked happier
than she's ever looked. What an earth is going on?

Speaker 17 (21:22):
What is going on? They're the best of buddies.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
At the moment.

Speaker 17 (21:24):
I think he's due to present her with the Global
Citizen Award at a ceremony in New York, if he
hasn't done it already. The question is will that mean
that he's looking for special favors from Georgia Maloney for
his companies in Italy? Uh, not really sure about that
at the moment.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Isn't it funny to think that Georgia Maloney. For all
of the critics of GEORGIEA. Maloney, she was far right.
She was a crazy Look at her. Now they're handing
awards to her as a global citizen.

Speaker 17 (21:52):
Yes, and she's making all the right noises about working
on a multilateral level. We need to work for peace
and climb as fight climate change and all the rest
of it. At this UN Summit of the Future in
New York, talking about crises presenting opportunities. I think many
Italians would not be thinking the same way on that
front at the moment.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Okay, the poll, this bloke who quit we talked about
a couple of weeks ago the culture minists who had
the social media influencer woman, et cetera. Anyway, this has
effected the government's polls.

Speaker 17 (22:23):
It looks like it we're starting to see I mean,
I haven't seen a definitive figure, but I'm starting to
see some sign in the media that one in three
Italians believe that this will weaken Maloney. And this woman
who had her eyes on a consultancy in the Cultural
ministry has obviously caused a great deal of trouble and
people are not happy about it.

Speaker 2 (22:44):
But we would be.

Speaker 17 (22:45):
Interesting to see the polls because the last poll I
think we had on Maloney Mike was still had her
at around twenty seven percent, so she was quite strong.
But we might see some changes in the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Very interesting now the spag and A can update. You
haven't tried it, have you.

Speaker 17 (23:00):
I didn't find it, but I understand it's on sale
in London. I was there for the weekend and one
of the reporters, one of the Italian reporters, has gone
across and has been rajing about shock horror. It's even
worse than we expect it. It smells like dog food, and
they're even slicing the spaghetti into smaller pieces, so it's
not a good look for the Italians. They're very upset

(23:22):
about this.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
I take it you can't buy it in Italy.

Speaker 17 (23:25):
I haven't seen it on sale yet. I think they're
targeting the UK market because the Brits might be more vulnerable.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Spash bagan A, Are you standing in the rain? Is
it raining in the background of my hip? It is, Yes,
it is because I was noted. Are you in Italy
at the moment? You're back home in landed in Italy? No,
it's just the reason I asked that is because of
the dreadful floods across parts of Europe. But then I
thought there was a storm heading into Italy somewhere. Am
I correct in saying that I've literally made that up?

Speaker 17 (23:50):
Yes, you might remember we've talked about the floods. We've
had the return of the floods in Emilia Romagna, and
the government, to its creditors, started throwing money at some
of those famis lee's and victims up there. Small amounts,
but yeah, a lot of upheople in the area around Bologna,
in the north central part of Italy.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
Always a pleasure, Joe catch up on Thursday very much,
Joe McKenna, because we had a big storm overnight in
Britain as well, a lot of flooding, a lot of
concern and burious areas. So we might touch on touch
on that with Rod later in the program. Boy, it's
already eleven away from seven on.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
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Speaker 2 (24:27):
As excited as we got about the Kiwi fruit and
as excited as I am about some CO two slash
methane slash biomass that I'll tell you about after seven
o'clock this morning. We do still have trouble in the economy.
The export to import numbers for August were rubbish. Value
of imports has fallen faster than exports, which I suppose
overall is all right. Kuei fruit, as we told you,
that's up one hundred and seventy seven million, or fifty

(24:48):
eight percent on the month. Meat down nineteen percent, aluminium
down thirty four percent, sheep twenty seven percent down, beef
down fifteen biggest fall was vehicle because no one wants
to buy one at the moment, because no one can
afford one. That's down forty two percent. The overall trade
deficit was two point two billion just for the month,
So we you know, it's a bleak and ugly picture.

(25:10):
I haven't done this for a while, so I need
to update you. So Ralph, I sort of thought when
I heard his son initially, when he got nab outside
the golf course, has son went, he's a cool dad,
and he doesn't sound like him, and I hope this
is a big mistake. Not really a mistake, mate, Ryan's nutter.
So he had a gun and he had some plans,
and he'd been stalking the guy, it turns out, for
a month, and he had a note saying that you know,

(25:32):
forget this note it wasn't successful, which clearly it wasn't. Meantime,
the Secret Service admitted over the weekend that they didn't
do a very good job back in Butler. Not that
we hadn't already worked that out, but for the first
time since July, the agency had presented the public with
a full picture of the internal breakdowns. Basically, it was complacency,
which I found interesting. There was no we sort of

(25:55):
know it, but to hear it from their own lips
is interesting. There was no real coordination with the local authorities.
They went, ah, yeah, it's another rally. Ah yeah, there's
a roof. Ah year, guy might climb up there, but
ah he probably won't. So oh has he? Ah hell
had that about it, had to work from home, vibe
about it, basically. And then we come overnight to yet

(26:17):
another open letter. This one is from national security leaders
for America and there are seven hundred and forty one
of them, which is quite a lot, and including people,
I mean obvious ones, former Secretaries of State Hillary Clinton
and John Kerry. So you'd expect them to sign a
letter saying that Trump's no good Chuck Hagel and William Cohen.
Though Republicans criticize the form of President's foreign affairs track

(26:39):
record alleged involvement in the Jan six Capital riot, he
has shown no remorse for trying to overturn the twenty
twenty election Jan six, promises to pardon the convicted perpetrators,
has made clear he will not respect the results of
the twenty four elections, should be should he win again.
So there's seven hundred of them, And that was on
top of the other letter the other day. So a
lot of letters, a lot of complacency in the security forces,

(27:02):
and so we count down. It's getting close. So do
you know, let me just quickly tell you this where
we're going to cover this thing. Maybe I'm increasingly in
two minds about it, but anyway, they still don't know
where and still have not announced where the headquarters are
for the two candidates. So you ask me, Mike, where

(27:23):
are you going? And the answer is I don't know,
and you go why not? And I go because they
haven't decided yet, and they are not going to decide
until we are told. This is the State Department. I
wring them every day. Their phone service is hopeless. You're
on hold for ages. Anyway, they're going to make it
late this month or possibly early next month. Amazing.

Speaker 14 (27:43):
And you've got some very specific riders about whether you
will or all not go.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I said, if I can touch it, if I can
leave here in land like New York, no problem. If
I leave there in land and have to jump on
a domestic flight, it's over.

Speaker 14 (27:57):
And then the idea of a van was raised, and
you said, no to that.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
There's anybody on the like another trip we went in
a e van. We went in an event from Washington
to New York.

Speaker 14 (28:07):
And then so somebody who also said they mentioned a train. Yeah,
and then it was turning into a sort of a
sequel to trains, planes and automobiles, which I thought sounded
like there would be great content.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
It's a disaster anyway. We may or may not get
out of the country four minutes away from seven.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
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Speaker 2 (28:30):
You data on concert tickets, they're still through the roof.
Last time Oasis played at Wembley in two thousand nine,
tickets were ninety two bucks. Now they're three hundred and twenty.
Even if you adjusted for inflation, it's one hundred and
forty five versus today's three hundred and twenty. The most
expensive tickets last year Beyonce Madonna five fivey one hundred
versus two thousand, seven hundred for Madonna. Fifty one percent

(28:52):
of people in the UK. High ticket prices have stopped
them going to gigs sixty six percent, so they produced
the number of gigs they go to, not surprising promoters.
Their costs are up thirty five to forty percent, so
there's something in that. And then the worst part of
all the UK decision to ban what they call red diesel,
which power the generators and all the heavy vehicles at
festivals and arenas, and because of that that was hopeless.
That was part of the UK's government plan in twenty

(29:14):
two to reduce emissions, and after the new rule, prices
immediately went up twenty two percent. So it's becoming prohibitive
to simply go to a concert with your average ticket
now hundreds of dollars for a top act. And that's
before you get to you know, or your dress ups.
Of course you've got to because every concept I don't
know about you, but every concert I go to, I
do the dress ups, and you get down to the

(29:34):
two dollars shop and dress yourself up in a bit
of sparkle. It's not two dollars, I can tell you
that for nothing.

Speaker 14 (29:38):
The appropriate novelty glasses.

Speaker 2 (29:40):
Exactly, they're not. They don't come cheap. Glenn News for you.
In a couple of moments, then we'll delve into the
pulking Horn.

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Speaker 2 (30:01):
To seven past sevens are not guilty. It is in
the polking Horn case, the jury comparatively took about three
and a half minutes to come to their conclusion. Eight
weeks of witnesses and detail come down to the simple
fact that prosecution couldn't stitch together enough evidence to get
their side of the argument. Across the line. Criminal defense
lawyer A. Liz Hall is with us li's morning to you,
Good morning Mike. A level of interest from your perspective

(30:21):
as a lawyer. One you couldn't care less. Ten you
were beside yourself. Where did you sit? Oh about a
one couldn't care less?

Speaker 18 (30:30):
Well not couldn't care less. I mean, it's an example
of our criminal justice for working, and so that's encouraging
to all defense lawyers. But other than that, you know,
there are trials going on up and down the country
that are important to the people that are involved. This
one just happened to get more media coverage.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I was sure I was going to like you anyway,
but I didn't know that answer was coming. I think
I'm the only other New Zealander who couldn't have given
a monkey's either way, I figure he either did it
or he didn't, or come to a conclusion, and that's
the judicial process was there to be found. Do you
think from the prosecution's point of view, they couldn't get
their side of the argument across given the link to
the not at all.

Speaker 18 (31:08):
The goal of the criminal justice system isn't to help
the crown get across the line. What the crown do
is they call the available evidence that they think will
establish guilt. The jury make the assessment of whether they
have called sufficient evidence or off the case leaves them
sure of guilt. That didn't happen in this case. So
it's just justice working.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
How much weight sure? How much weight would you have
put or do you think you would put on the
Ashton non appearance?

Speaker 18 (31:36):
Would they now come on, Mike. Everything that woman has
to say was already before the jury. The only thing
that the jury missed out on was seeing what outfit
that woman water court. I think it's a total red
herring to start focusing on what she thinks she might
have added to the trial.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
What weight would you put on a good brief in
the form of Mansfield.

Speaker 18 (31:58):
Ron Mansfield's one of the best in the business.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
So if you hire, well you can go in feeling
more confident than if you don't hire.

Speaker 18 (32:04):
Will No Come on now. Every criminal defense lawyer puts
their heart and soul into this business. If we were
interested in anything other than justice, we'd be doing conveyancing.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Okay, in totality, what are your outtakes of this trial
that has allegedly gripped the nation?

Speaker 18 (32:23):
Well, I don't know that it has gripped the nation.
I think it's gripped those people who like click bait
on media. It's just justice working. That's all you've seen
play out. And as you know that both the Crown
and the defense have worked very hard and the verdict
is what it is, and Sony, the Ablenesses need to
relax and see that that's justice working.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Good on you, Elizabeth, appreciate it very much. This Hall,
criminal defense lawyer, come on now. Ten minutes past seven
pasking public servicemen called back to the office. While some
of them have, I'll talk to the Prime Minister about this.
I don't know how many have. I don't even think
they got a plan around this. The government wants strictive
working from home rules. We just don't know what they are.
At Wellington Chamber of Commerce is kind of wittens with
us cold of morning, good morning. Mind broadly you guys

(33:03):
support this.

Speaker 19 (33:04):
Yeah, Look, we do think that this has the real
potential to make a difference for Wellington, and it's important
to recognize that at a time when public finances are
pretty tight, it's something that really doesn't cost the government assent.
We all know it's been a hard time for businesses
in Wellington, but particularly for retail and hospitality. Working from
home trends are definitely a very big part of that.
And look, you're right, the numbers are a little bit

(33:25):
hard to quantify. We will have those numbers because public
sector CEOs will be required to report on it. But
look at some ballpark figures. There are twenty eight thousand
public servants who still work in Wellington according to the
Public Service Commission. If they're working from home and average
of two days a week, that's more than fifty thousand
fewer potential customers for businesses in the CBD and in
the city size of Wellington. That makes a real impact.

(33:48):
So if we get some of those people back in
the city, not everyone's going to buy a coffee or
go shopping or head out for a Friday drink, but
tens of thousands more people in the city the size
of Wellington. It's going to make a real impact at
a time when businesses are doing it tough.

Speaker 2 (34:01):
Do you have any confidence that there were no rules yesterday?
It was just a general, hey, we should really do
something about this vibe. Is anything actually going to happen?
Do you think? Well?

Speaker 19 (34:10):
I suppose time will tell on that. I mean, of
course they can't really just step out and mandate it
all together. Some of it may be written into employment
contracts already. Any change will have to comply with employment law,
and every employee, whether they're in the public or private sector,
has the right to try to negotiate for flexible working.
There will be many situations where that might be the
right thing to do. What we don't want to see

(34:31):
is the current situation, whereas for many agencies it's just
become the default. This change is about making sure there's
a good reason for public servants to be working from home,
and we think that's a pretty sensible step. What we
would like to see, you're right, is that it actually
brings people back into the office. So CEO is being
required to report on that level of working from home
in their ministries is really important. We'll have that data

(34:53):
by the start of next year and that'll be the
point to assess whether it's really making an impact or
maybe whether there's something else that can good stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Can't appreciate it very much. Conor Witten, who's out of
the Wellington Chamber of Commas twelve and it's past seven.
Numbers on christ Church. CBD continues to hold a twenty
percent year of the total spending in christ Church. So
in other words, the CBD is working bill that they
will come City Council keep this data. From January to
June this year a number of pedestrians in the place
one point four percent higher than the same period last year.

(35:21):
Daily average number of pedestrians is up some twelve percent,
So it depends on how you work. Wellington's twenty two percent.
By the way of public service, I know it got
focused on Wellington a lot, but twenty two percent of
the public service are in fact places like Auckland, so
it's not just a Wellington thing that happened yesterday. It
was very much right around the country. Kiwi Saber, I
can tell you this morning interesting numbers. This is the FMA,

(35:43):
the Financial Markets Authority Annual report on KIWI Saber. The
amount saved has cracked through one hundred billions, gone from
ninety three to one hundred and eleven billion, so that's material.
Total memberships up still going up, which is good, not
by much. There are three point three to three million
of us in key We Saber. It was three point
two five. It's gone to three point three three, So

(36:04):
that growth, I suppose, is still a good thing. Average
balance is thirty grand Is that enough to retire on?
I mean answers no, So you do wonder is it
actually serving its purpose? And where I can't thirty thousand dollars,
I mean that'll buy you an MG on special if
you want an EV. But apart from that's not solving
your long term problem. Investment returns are plus thirteen billion,

(36:24):
which is good. Total fees there's a conversation. Last year
six hundred and sixty four million dollars worth of fees,
this year at seven hundred and eighty nine. Oh, that'll
be inflation. That'll be that. And we didn't save anything
working from home when we did those numbers either. Fourteen
past seven The.

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The director is Andy Blair, who's with this. Andy, very
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(37:14):
that it? Or am I just a bit thick?

Speaker 20 (37:17):
No, you're pretty much beang on Mike. So basically, we
take the guesses that come from c simial power stations
and plart them into these bugs and they make a
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Speaker 2 (37:28):
Can you see it happen?

Speaker 20 (37:30):
Yep, we've already made We've already made it. We've made
the biomass and it exists, and yeah, it's technique.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
And so what are you looking for scalability? Now?

Speaker 20 (37:41):
Yeah, so we're doing we're doing that test for scalability.
So how do we make it economically viable in a
big enough and a more meaningful way for a commercial
market to take it and make it sustainable?

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Okay, So if you plug it in and when you
leave the office, you'd leave the office at six because
you're not a work from home or I can tell.
So you leave the office at sex, you plug it
in when you come the next morning. How much you got?

Speaker 20 (38:03):
Yeah, so it's not like that it's been plugged in
constantly to a power station, and they just multiply. The
only thing that stops them from growing is lack of
food or the size of the vessel that we put
them in. So they'll just keep multiplying by as much
food that we give them.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Yeah, but how quickly? I mean, like you put a
sackload of food and do you get a sack load
of biomass or ten biomass or oh it's.

Speaker 20 (38:26):
Like replicating like thousands and thousands of times over every minute. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
they grow really rapidly. And that's why it's such a
cool technology. Bioteach is so cool is because it's not
constrained by normal sort of multiplication rates that we see
in other spaces.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Okay, do the animals like it? Will they eat it?
Do you know?

Speaker 20 (38:47):
Well, we've done some early testing on mice which love
it and think it's just as good as the food
they're eating. But we're also working on which markets, which
animal market we're tagging, and we'll have to do that
sort of do they like it, do they not like it?
But it performed really well in the early testing that
we did.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
What's it cost you to make a sackload? Do you know?
Is it sse tenths of cents? Hundreds of dollars?

Speaker 20 (39:11):
Yeah, it's all about dollars per kg. And we're trying
to figure that out in this step as well. So
we don't think it's going to be bulk food. We
think it's going to be meaningful little components of its
additives to feed because it's not cheap and it will
take a while to become competitive with normal bulk food rates.

(39:32):
So we'll be targeting the sort of high value stuff first.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
That's so exciting. When do you reckon? You're going to
give it to a cow?

Speaker 20 (39:40):
We reckon in about ten to twelve years, will be
commercially operating and feeding it like you're able to dial.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
It up in order some and you are one hundred
percent certain of this or you're still in the we'll
see how it goes pace.

Speaker 20 (39:55):
Well, we've made we've made the biomass. We know we
can make one hundred percent to make biomass. Now we're
just need to figure out can we make it commercially viable?

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Right?

Speaker 2 (40:03):
Well, that's exciting. Hey, tell me about your Kings honor tomorrow. Andy.

Speaker 20 (40:07):
Yeah, I'm getting an officer for New Zealand Order of
Merit for services to the gfmal industry and to women.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Isn't that incredible? So you're going to Government House in Auckland.

Speaker 20 (40:15):
Yes, I'm getting all drew stuff and I'm going to
turn up and get a medal, which is really excited.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
I beat you. It is well done. You nice to
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fiscal ineptitude reminded me yet again how dangerous these Greens are.
He makes two potentially disastrous assumptions. Of course, one the
figure of three billion is correct, and two, if you
write a check, poverty will be solved. The chances are
neither are true. Having also been part of to some
degree the government of the past six years that's taken
an economic hammer to the place, you might have hoped
even he would have seen just simply spraying money about

(42:13):
the place doesn't work, and so do the Greens. Mendoz
march aside, what about Chloe? Have you ever seen a
more indecisive leader? Darlene Tanner became an issue months back,
months and months and months back, and yet look what
Chloe's done about it? Nothing Goalers of course, Julian Genta,
I mean she now appears to be but a minor
issue of barely any relevance at all. And Tory, who

(42:34):
may or may not have sold her car, or may
or may not have had trouble balancing your books at
one hundred and ninety thousand dollars a year, most certainly
has applied the Green philosophy of finance to the capital
by basically wrecking it and at the same time racking
up debt the likes of which fore you have ever seen.
My great hope out of all of this is slowly,
but surely we as voters and participants learn our own lesson,

(42:55):
and that is to stop and think about what it
is we want, stop and think about our participation in
the system, to not only participate, but also to participate knowledgeably. Now,
if you think Chloe and Tory and Darlene are your
kind of people, and Ricardo's a nobel economists, then that is,
of course, sadly you're right. But the evidence is stacked

(43:17):
up all over the place these days, from councils to
central governments, from current account deficits to credit rating downgrades,
that having the wrong people with the wrong ideas in
charge of money is a disaster that's extraordinarily hard to
extricate yourself from. If the Greens wanted more national parks, fine,
but they're social engineering side, as you sert that, and
they are nowadays just straight up and down dangerous. Once

(43:37):
it was smacking and cannabis, now it's economic carnage. They
only get away with it if we let them. Osky
Mike I'm listening on the app, so this message will
be late defence lawyer. That's what it says. Justice is
working when the jury thinks the verdict is guilty but
cannot make it stick because of the legal jargon. Come on, no,

(43:58):
that is justice. Justice system requires a group in this case,
eleven of your peers. That part's debatable to weigh up
what was presented to them. It's not about being innocent,
It's about what did I receive in front of me
and beyond reasonable doubt, can I get across the line

(44:18):
in my conclusion. So yes, they came back and said
a number of the jury didn't believe she had hung herself.
But they also said we don't see the evidence to
get across the line on guilty. So you then go
back to the prosecutor's office and go what was it?
And I thought the comment from the prosecutor was interesting
that she said the evidence was there to be pieced together. Well,

(44:41):
if it was there to be pieced together, why didn't
you piece it together in a way to convince eleven
other New Zealanders that what you were saying was correct
and she couldn't do it? And that is justice. Mike
get Liz haul back anytime to talk about anything. Zero
waffles straight up and you're not left wondering that part's true, Mike,
Liz haall rates herself, doesn't she come on? Ffs Bob

(45:03):
got you fired up? And then I got another text
here that says, Mike, I'm incredibly offended. Don't be incredibly offended.
No point is being incredibly off There's no point in
being offended. Far less incredibly offended. Christopher Luxen PM.

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Speaker 4 (45:41):
Good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
Just a quick one on the working from home thing.
No fine detail yesterday? Why not? And is that not
potentially a problem given what we've talked about in the
last couple of weeks and that as you're getting pushed
back from the public service anyway.

Speaker 21 (45:54):
Yeah, look, I mean what we're laying out very clearly
is our expectations is that it's not working from home
is not an entire wanted to actually got to be
done by formal agreement. People just shouldn't be assuming that
it's a reality. We don't want any working from home
to compromise the performance of the lolic service, and we
were kind of going to actively monitor it and sort
of regularly report on progress against it as a government.
It's actually the cees that we're talking to who actually

(46:16):
are the employers to make sure that you know, they're
building really a highly productive public service. It's firing on
all cylinders, and that's why we don't want working from
home to undermine any of that ambition.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Are you a bit slow to get to this? I
honestly thought this had been sorted like a year ago,
if not longer.

Speaker 21 (46:32):
Well, yeah, I mean the bottom line is, no one
really knows what's going on and who's working were at
the moment, if I'm honest about it, in the public service,
and I think many sees would struggle to say, you know,
what proportion of the workforces at home and not, and
which are under formal agreements to do so or not.
And all we're saying is, look, you know, working from
home was introduced as a temporary measure for COVID four

(46:53):
years ago. Many organizations, businesses, governments around the world are
fighting four years down the road. It doesn't help build culture,
it doesn't help team development, it doesn't put improved performance.
And you know, you know, we want to make sure
that you know, we've got a public service ready to
go because we had a lot of challenges, a lot
of opportunities to sort through.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Doesn't that sort of sum up everything that's wrong with
this country? Though, when you go to a CEO and
go tell me about it and he goes, I wouldn't
have a clue.

Speaker 21 (47:17):
Yeah, but it's my job to fix it, right, So
I've got to set a new expectation in a different
standard that people need to work to. If I just
walk past it and say that's good enough for and
I know it's not and we don't fix that.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
That's not right.

Speaker 21 (47:29):
So the bottom line is, look, that is what it is,
or we're saying is we've got many good public servants.
They are appreciating the clarity they're getting from our government, you know,
and the direction that they're getting. But we want people
to understand it's not an entitlement. It is by agreement.
We don't want any compromise to any performance or productivity
of the public service, and that's why we're doing what
we're doing.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
Speaking of fixing stuff, I don't know if you saw
the Lower Institute report on our diplomatic heft in the
region which is going backwards along with China and Myanmar.
Was Nanayama, who to singularly the most embarrassing forum in
this this country ever had.

Speaker 21 (48:02):
Well, I just say the Lowy index is one perspective,
but having said that, it has actually declined since twenty eighteen.
So and I've said many times I thought the previous
government was way too inward looking, not proactive enough, too
slow coming out of COVID, and not advancing or further
our interests overseas sufficiently. And that's why you know, we've
had a full court press. We've hit it really hard
in the first ten months. You know, Winston's out there,

(48:22):
Judith Colin's out there, Tod mcclay's out there. I've been
out there and it's all part of our plan to
sort of lift the energy and urgency and our diplomatic relationship.
So we do have influence and we are relevant in
the region because we've got a lot to offer. So
you know, you know, we are where we are, but
you know, I definitely feel like I want to lift
that into energy and urgency, and I think we're doing that.
I mean, you've had people like Todd McLay just constantly,

(48:44):
you know, meeting with trade ministers working out trade opportunities
for us. Have had more to say about that shortly.
I'm sure some things he's been working on which has
been good. But likewise mel Winston Peter's it's doing a
fantastic job out.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
There, Colin. I note that India didn't or doesn't want
to sign the Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership of which we
are a part of, because it seems because of China,
does that if we can't get a deal directly with
them and they don't want to join that which we
are part of, does that set us back potentially trade wise?

Speaker 16 (49:17):
No.

Speaker 21 (49:17):
I think the reality for US is we want to
do a bilateral arrates set of trade arrangements with India.
The first thing is executly. You've sort of started the
questioning around is that you've got to have a relationship
in place, and when you haven't actually had, you've had
radio silence and no engagement with the Indian system. You
can talk trade all you want, but you've got to
get the relationship in place first. And You've had Todd
McLay I think, meet with his trade counterpart there five times.

(49:39):
You've had Winston visit. I think Todd's been there several times.
I've hosted the Indian president here. I've spoken to Mody.
We're desperate to try and get together. It's a bit
difficult in this last quarter with schedules of visits and
other APEC and other things going on, but we're going
to try and do that early next year and I'll
take a big delegation up there. And here's a fascinating country.
I mean, it's incredible countries, our third biggest economy by

(50:01):
twenty thirty. It's done a lot of business there in
my past life with Unilever, and it's just there's so
much opportunity we should have been in the years ago,
should have been exactly because you know, it's I think, Mike,
it's about just over two point two billion of trade.
It's gone backwards actually over the last government, from two
point eight down to two point two. China's forty billion,
same population, so you know, that's the potential that sits there. Yes,

(50:23):
there's some challenges around categories that we sell, like dairy
and other things, but we've got to we've got to
build the relationship. We've got to be in and we've
got to be having the conversations and from there we'll
talk about trade and transactions.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
The UN vote that Peters wants depending the other day,
this is on Palestine. The text that we had some
trouble with but not enough trouble not to vote yes,
was the same text that Penny Wong, no friend of
a conservative, didn't had so much trouble with she voted no.
How come she votes know and we vote yes on
the same thing.

Speaker 21 (50:54):
Yeah, well, I mean, as you could see, we did
have serious concerns. We talked about that and what's called
our explanation of vote in that and the U in
General Assembly. But we agree with the direction of travel.
You know, when our view has been very clear, looks
we need to cease far. We want to cease far,
we want the hostilities to stop you know, Israel leaving
the occupied terities within twelve months with something that we
thought was unrealistic, and we talked about that, but on balance,

(51:16):
we have an independent foreign policy. We made our own
decision and we said, look, the direction of travel is right,
but we did vote with some pretty serious caveats and
concerns as well.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Okay, just real quick, this four year term you talked
about on Friday, the chances of putting the idea to
a vote in twenty six is what.

Speaker 21 (51:35):
Well, we haven't actually started the work on it, and
we've got coalition commitments and all three parties are supportive
of doing it. And what we first said is, look,
let's get it to Select committee. And so it'll depend
upon how much progress we can make between now and then.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
But unlikely likely. Who knows.

Speaker 21 (51:52):
I'm not going to put a number on it, to
be honest, because I just haven't had the chance to
have the conversation and we haven't started the work. But
when we do we put it into a quarterly plan,
that's will really be pushing it forward.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
Okay, and when we vote, it'll be binding, yeah, to
be a referendum. Yeah, yeah, Well we can have a referendum,
REFERENDM you've got is it a binding referendum? Yeah, okay,
so we vote for it, will happen and will it
happen the next term?

Speaker 20 (52:13):
Well?

Speaker 21 (52:13):
No, what you'd do is you think you'd have to
take it to referendum and then actually have an effect
that the term after that term that you've voted for.
I don't think you could go to referendum and your
mean you'd have to go sit with a three year
term and then it would turn into a four year term.
But all of that is a bit premature. There's nothing
currently underway. Having said that, there's strong support I think
across the parliament frankly and within the coalition. We have

(52:35):
commitment to do the work, but just too early to say.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
Just for the record, was anything exchanged in any way,
shape or form for Merton's release?

Speaker 21 (52:44):
No, no, no, not at all. And do they want
anything new Zealand government doesn't pay bribes or ransom, We
did not do so in this case. Did they want
Nathan No, not that I'm aware of.

Speaker 2 (52:55):
No, not at all.

Speaker 21 (52:57):
Well, this has been a series of it just been
relentless effort frankly from m fat the Indonesian government and
also actually community figures that have been involved with you
have connections to the hostage takers as well, and so
it's been about making sure that we manage his safety.
Over the last nineteen months, it's taken time. It's been
relentless and tireless, I think for five hundred and ninety

(53:18):
plus days, and it's been pretty complex case. So it's
been just relentless pressure but also engagement that sort of
led and sprung and free.

Speaker 2 (53:28):
Okay, have you read the Supreme Court's order around the
Murray Coastline appeal and how you now have to pay
in advance for their fees? Yeah, I'm aware of it. Again. Well,
holl's that about station.

Speaker 21 (53:39):
Well that's again a conversation that Paul Goldsmith will pick
up and work through. But the bottom line here is
that all we're doing on the MACA legislation is returning
it to what Parliament intended, as we said.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Here, but they don't like that and they want you
Now a court in this country is now telling the government,
which is the ultimate court, to pay money in advance
and how you run your what I mean, come on.

Speaker 21 (54:00):
Well, all we can do is we have to respect
the judiciary. But we we have a government, well we do.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Even when they're just so egregiously invasive an activist it's laughable.

Speaker 21 (54:13):
Well, all I can do, Mike is on that issue
and to take the issues one by one and just say, look,
we had the balance right in twenty eleven with the legislation.
The threshold was lowered by the courts. That's not what
was intended. We're protecting the legitimate interests of all New
Zealanders as well as Marai customary rights. We had the
balance right, it's not right now we're returning it back
to that and I appreciate there'll be a bit of
grief about that, but that's what was intended by parliament.

(54:36):
Parliament is sovereign. It gets to make the rules and
that's all we're doing it this way.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
Good. Is Winston gonna win on the fairies? Are you
going to win on the fairies? The free is going
to have rail or not?

Speaker 7 (54:46):
Look?

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Is it tracks nder worn?

Speaker 21 (54:51):
I just say, oh, the fairies, like the current ki
raw ones, can go out to twenty twenty nine.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
They need to.

Speaker 21 (54:56):
It's about to quiro to make sure they maintain just
like airlines and trucking companies do fleet management very well.
We expect them to do that. We've got a ministerial
advisory group. We're starting the discussions internally. We'll pop up
with a solution and I think Nicholas said we'll do
that by the end of this year early next year.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
All right, appreciate time. Prime Minister Christopher lux on Tuesday
mornings on the mic Asking Breakfast thirteen to eight.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered
by News Talks.

Speaker 2 (55:22):
It'd be just in reference to the inter Island or
if you didn't know what we were talking about at
the end, there's potentially a little bit of angst within
the coalition. Peters is big on rail and if you
followed his career over the years, he's been consistent on that,
particularly in the northern part of the country. Not that
that's got anything to do with the fairies, but once
you've trucked it all out of Northland down the country,
you want to get it on a boat and be

(55:42):
able to get it off the other side. Problem with that,
of course, as it becomes infrastructurally interesting as opposed to
a boat that doesn't do rail. Therefore you can just
park it up anywhere, So that is in front of
the coalition at the moment they got some advice from
the ministerial group that Nicola Willis yesterday was as when
they got the advice, and she couldn't remember if the

(56:05):
person was probably at home, and I must tell you
yesterday Katie goes to ring a person. I don't even
know what sort of firm it was, and I think
was medical. So she wrings the person. She can't lots
of numbers, she can't get through. No one's answering the phone.
It's leave a message. One phone just went we cannot
help you click. That's the end of it. Anyway, she
emails somebody. They eventually ring back and she goes, all

(56:26):
I want to do is pay this bill. And she goes, oh,
i'm working from home today. I can't do that. Ring
this number and that'll help you. So she rings the
number again and that's the same number that goes, we
can't help you. Click. So this working from home thing doesn't.

Speaker 14 (56:38):
Work except for Kay for who for Katie?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
No, it didn't work.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
She works from home?

Speaker 2 (56:45):
No? Why yet she works from home? It's got she's
got nowhere else to go. She hasn't got. She hasn't
got like an outlet. If find something for her. If
they had serious concerns about the UN resolution, they should
have voted for it, should not have voted for it.
We look ridiculous siding with terrorists. Let me come back
to that, because that hasn't got nearly enough coverage. Rade

(57:06):
away from it.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
The Mike Costing breakfast with a Veta retirement Communities News
tog saidb.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
Mike working from home as a plant on society like
our last government. It's not more productive. I'd argue it's
less productive. Great move by the government, Tom you, it's
about I reckon roughly it's fifty to fifty this morning.
It's one of those never the twain she'll meet arguments.
If they were serious about concerns about the UN resolution,
they shouldn't have voted for it.

Speaker 11 (57:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
What was interesting to me to the extent that this matters,
which it sort of does and sort of does, and
it doesn't to the extent that literally because of a
UN resolution, nothing happens. Nothing ever happens at the UN.
Hence the criticism the other day from one Helen Clark
and two Winston Peter's rarely aligned together, but there you go.
Because they're right. Nothing ever happens at the un But
it's an extraordinary thing that Penny Wong, who is about

(57:53):
as left as you get in the Australian labor movement
and is she will never say so publicly, obviously, but
is anti Israel all day long and pro Palestinian all
day long. They voted no because they could not get
past the text. And it wasn't just her and her alone,
obviously she represents the government of the country. But they
couldn't get past the text. Yet somehow we could, so

(58:16):
we sort of had Winston rolled out going a text
Wor'd like. But nevertheless we vote yes. So we look
more liberal than a labor government in Australia. So the
conservative government of New Zealand looks more liberal on Israel
than the labor government of Australia. Explain that to me
over a quiet drink, Mike. Make no mistake, this work

(58:38):
from home is still a huge issue in the private sector.
Have become beholden to the highly engaged workers who don't
want to give this leverage back. It is a culture
killer in a small market like New Zealand, and even
more so in manufacturing logistics businesses where the office workers
winge about the changes while the manual workers look on
shaking their heads as that they have to turn up
every day regardless. Show me how this has improved productivity

(59:00):
in the last four years. Last time I looked, our
commercial performance has been a train smash. Scott well articulated.
Now we come in the next half out of Recarver.
You may not know the name. He's a documentary marker.
He's made a documentary about Warren and Marney. Warren and Marney,
anyone who's ever been to the town Hall in christ Church,
and of course in there is a real story because
of course it was badly, badly damaged in the earthquakes

(59:21):
of twenty eleven and what they were going to do
about it and how they were going to do about it.
But Warren and Marney as a team were genius, probably
the pre eminent architects of the modern era in this country.
A little bit brutalist at times, but nevertheless very clever
their story.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Next they use bold opinions the mic Hosking Breakfast with
the Jaguar f base count from a different clath News togs.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Edb in a seven past eight, Sir Miles. Warren Morris
Marney would be two of the country's most famous architects.
They are in christ Church, involved in some of the
more famous buildings of the city. Modern is brutalism, I
guess one of them, the town Hall, probably the most
famous of their works, revolutionized how you design performance spaces.

(01:00:08):
Got hit very hard by the earthquake and for a
time was actually going to be demolished. So we end
up with the documentary about Warren and Marney, their work
together and how it continues to be a bright point
for christ Church. It's called Morris and I and the
producer and director is Rick Harvey, who is with us
wreck A very good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (01:00:25):
Oh, good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
How I very well. Indeed, it's already out and it
seems to have been a hit and people are full
of joy and JOI de b for it as far
as I can tell.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
That's right.

Speaker 15 (01:00:37):
It's a bit of an emotional journey. There's this happiness
and there's also you know a bit of a bit
of grief and sadness. But I mean it does finish
on a very very positive note. So but yeah, it
has had an amazing response throughout the country.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
How did you get onto it? I mean, are you
into architecture at all? Yourself? Are not?

Speaker 22 (01:00:55):
Really?

Speaker 15 (01:00:56):
Well, I've always been into architecture. But you know the
christ Chitch town Hall, you know, being from christ Hitch
like yourself, it's it's always been a big part of
my life. I was born in nineteen seventy two, the
same year that the town hall was built or it opened,
And yeah, I mean it's just it's always been quite

(01:01:19):
quite special. And of course I've always known about so
Miles Warren and but yeah, the story really is about
the partnership. So you know, the sort of the unsung hero,
which is which is Morris.

Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
It's so true, isn't it? Because I was thinking I
was thinking yesterday, as are some Miles, and then you think, oh,
what's all Marny's name and that and that in itself
was part of it, wasn't it. And he was more
than happy not to be the star of the show.

Speaker 15 (01:01:46):
That's right. He's quite happy to stay in the background.
But as you see in the films, he's the details
man and what often correct Miles, and you know, Miles
was quite happy to be corrected. So that's there was
a It was the perfect Yin yang kind of relationship.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Tell you what, I did an interview a couple of
years back, the Brown v. Brown, Brown versus Brown and
if you've never seen it, watch that. That was about
a so you've seen that, right, Okay. The other one
I like is Lewis Kahan, who's internationally famous documentary was
done by his son and that and I thought, these
these things all seem to have family connections, and then
in yours banged as a family connection as well.

Speaker 15 (01:02:26):
That's right. Yeah, So that's kind of that's the next
part of the story of the genesis of its meeting
Jane and I met her when she was working at
the at Sarah That's Great Recovery Authority, and I sort
of got talking to her and sort of mentioned that
it would always be great to make a document menary

(01:02:47):
about the town Hall, but not know really that it was,
you know, going to be a feature length film and
that it would have But I knew the story of
the town Hall and that you know, we sort of
treated it as a character and that it has a journey,
you know, from conception through to you know, being born
and then you know, nearly losing its life if you like.

(01:03:12):
But yeah, Jane was yeah, so and she has a
skill and she has a background and production as well.
So yeah, we got talking and then she came to
me when Morris was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer in twenty
eighteen and said, if you want to make this documentary

(01:03:32):
about Miles and Morris, then you better get onto it.
So yeah you did, Yeah we did. Yeah, that's when
we got the first interview with Morris. Yeah, and then
after that the two of them together. So yeah, and
that comes the basis of our film.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
What do you reckon? The answer to this is I
was watching it yesterday and I actually became quite emotional
about it because and I couldn't work out whether I
became emotional about it because it's a beautiful building that
almost got destroyed but has been saved. So there's just
that in itself, or I'm from christ Church. I've been
to it a million times. Therefore everywhere it's it's a
christ Church thing. In other words, well it.

Speaker 15 (01:04:11):
Is, it's it's kind of yeah. I mean I wonder
whether it's a because it's such a specific thing when
you're making a film that the idea of specificity is
is really you've got to drill down into the details
and and the location, and that's that's kind of what

(01:04:31):
makes it appealing. But it is it is a it
is a christ Church story, but it's also kind of
an important New Zealand story. It's a it's part of
New Zealand's history, I suppose, and a lot of people
watch the film and kind of go I just didn't
realize that. And also I didn't realize what you guys
went through in christ at the time of earthquake and

(01:04:53):
and afterwards, and you know, we're all so busy trying
to get our lives back on track and you know,
save our businesses and you know, deal with things that
didn't actually know what was going on.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Hall Now there's an interesting story to that. Let me
let me take a break and come back and more
than that. In just a couple of moments, Rick Harvey,
who's produced a director of this particular documentary, Morris and
I more more in a moment twelve past eight.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
The Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio
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Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
It be news Talks, It'll be fifteen past eight. Morris
and I is the documentary. Rick Harvey is the producer, director,
Well one thing important I think to point out, Rick,
will you answer me this question first? Is it the
interior that's as remarkable as the exterior or the exterior
beats the interior, or is it both?

Speaker 15 (01:05:42):
I would say it's the question. Stand Hall is one
of those places that well, it's it's inside out really,
so the whole brutalists if you like, as as as
the form follows the function, you build the you know,
you designed the concert hall, and if it happens to

(01:06:05):
need concrete walls and it looks quite bruckless on the outside,
it was so bad. And that's that's I guess that's
why a little bit controversial at the time. I think
Myles was saying that, you know people that said that
the maximum security prisoner was being built in the in
the center of christ Church. But yeah, so that's right.
It's but you know, it's gray and quite sort of

(01:06:27):
a dure on the outside, but when you come inside,
it's you know, much reds And yeah, how.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Did they I don't know if you delved into this
part of it. But the reason I raised Lewis Khan
was because his big thing was he just did concepts,
and so when he tended he said, there's my concept,
but often his concept was about one hundred times more
than the budget. How did they how did warrant and
money be How were they able to do what they did,
not just with the town Hall but generally within presumably

(01:06:56):
the budgets of the time.

Speaker 15 (01:06:58):
I think they they used the materials that were available
to them at the time. And if that was you know,
concrete block, then so be it. So you know, the
sort of the bold ideas were often sketched and watercolored
by by Miles and you know, and the documentary he

(01:07:19):
says that he you know, Morris says that he could
dream up an idea overnight, so he has the idea.
But but yeah, I think being quite realistic as well
and running a business, you've got to Yeah, you've got
to you've got to sit to a budget.

Speaker 2 (01:07:34):
Now, you've got to make it dad up. I know
Jerry Brown's in there because he had an instrumental role
in post quite christ Church. And your message there about
fast tracking is interesting because broadly speaking, and I mean,
it's lucky you didn't make a documentary about the cathedral
because it'll still be going obviously that's right. But but
there is something about the we've got to get on
with life versus doing it properly. So the message there

(01:07:58):
about fast tracking is what.

Speaker 15 (01:08:01):
I suppose it's. I mean, we've we really wanted to
talk to to Jerry because I mean everyone in the
original sort of interviews, a lot of people keep keep
mentioning him, so we thought it was really important for
him to have have a say, and he had a
lot of hard sitons to make at the time. So yeah,

(01:08:21):
I just wanted to ask him about that really, and
you know what, what what was going through his mind
and he says it, you know, there was the forefront
of his mind was you know, the safety of people's lives,
that the city was facing possible depopulation, and you know,
so you know, I mean, you know, I don't know

(01:08:44):
if there's there's a message. I mean, you can watch
the film make him make your own mind up, but
we definitely let him have his have a say, and yeah,
there's a nice little redemption moment at the end. I
don't know if people need to see the film, where.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Where is it that? I mean, how do you get
home all of it now? Because it's been in theaters
and where where do you get access to it?

Speaker 15 (01:09:04):
So well, it's just thing in thirty four cinemas around
the country at the moment. So and we're still in
the middle of our you know, it'll probably start dropping off,
but I don't know. You've got a few listeners out there,
so it out there. Now is the time. So that
is pretty much from Kerry Kerry to Belcluther is what

(01:09:25):
we're what we're saying everywhere in between.

Speaker 2 (01:09:28):
Good on you, well, congratulations on I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Go well, and we'll talk again soon hopefully. Rick Harvey,
who's producer director of Morris and I and my summation
from it is, if you're from christ Church, we'll have
a connection to christ Church, very moving. If you had
no particular connection to christ Church, still a great story
because Warren and Marney, in my humble opinion, little shorter geniuses.

(01:09:52):
So it's worth understanding who they are, where they come from.
And that's before you get to Morris's house in Governor's Bay,
which is and if you've never seen it, look it
up to for twenty minutes past eight, the.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
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Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
Mike is a christ huge person. This movie is I
must see memories and hope for the future wrapped up
in a great story. So that's nice, absolutely fantastic doc o. Mike,
it is Mike. By this time tomorrow, I'm expecting that
one of the worst kept secrets will be confirmed, Liam
Lawson being promoted by Red Bull. Clearly everyone in the
f one Paddick knew that Singapore was Ricardo's last dance
and he looked like a dead man walking, but for

(01:10:29):
some reason RB chose to delay the announcement. Now we
just have to see which seat Liam gets because Checko's
still vulnerable. My understanding it is tomorrow, overnight, tonight, tomorrow,
and I expressed on the programming today, I have no
idea why they've done it the way they're doing it,
but they are Checko safe. Liam will be jettisoned into

(01:10:50):
the RB seat for the rest of the season with
the possibility and this is more speculation on my part
than anything else. With the speculation because of course, one
of the rumors we was that Perez might be held
until Mexico for obvious reasons and then let go. But
you're not going to let two drivers go in the season,
mind you Having looked at what he did, came tenth
in Singapore, so that's one point. They need a lot

(01:11:11):
more than that. And the week before he crashed he
was running third in a crash, so he got zero points.
So Max is doing it by himself. They're already behind
the constructors and so that's where the money is. So
it's a fascinating time. But really, if it's overnight, tonight, tomorrow,
it's just it's just it's one of the great sports
stories in New Zealand sports stories history. Now ACT this

(01:11:32):
morning and when it happens, we'll deal with it. Obviously,
ACT has obtained a copy of AUT's policy for funding
research travel, where you get thirty percent more points to travel.
If you're Murray now you might have heard about this already.
It was on the Mic Hosking Breakfast several days ago
and I raised it with the leader of the ACT party,
David Seymour, who obviously hung up the phone and rent

(01:11:54):
straight down the hallway to Dr Palm. Jeet Palmer, who
got on to it, says allocating travel funding based on
race is a disrespect to those who would otherwise secure
opportunities based on merit. I think we all agree on
that after hearing reports of the existence of this policy,
that's code for David randalin the hallway. After she had
talked to Mike and told me my office requested a

(01:12:16):
copy of the point system from AUT Wednesday morning, with
no response from the university. Really, I find that hard
to believe. I emailed around five hundred AUT researchers over
the weekend asking them if they knew about the point
system and if they could provide a copy. This must
have caused a stir because yesterday morning AUT sent my
office a copy of the point system. Many researchers told

(01:12:39):
me they were not aware of the point system, which
is not listed publicly and is not easily found on
internal systems ACT. She continues, will continue to shine sunlight
on the discriminatory use. I also have this morning fresh
off my facsimile machine from aut Kia. Aura Co two

(01:13:00):
may be aware of recent interest in our travel policy,
particularly where Marian Pacific academic staff are recognized. I talked
to the Minister of Tertiary Education last week. That was
Penny Simmons. We had her on the program as well.
She noted that there was good rationale for the policy.
She also affirmed the autonomy and independence of universities. Now
that technically is sort of true, but you're running a

(01:13:23):
fairly fine line there, and it's not quite what she said.
But don't let that get in the way of a
good pr press release. We often need to prioritize says
aut groups to produce equitable outcomes and or meet our
strategic goals. The policy is in line with our recent
commitments to tatty. Our policies are publicly available through our

(01:13:46):
policy hub at www dot aut dot ac dot nz
ford slash about slash policy dot hub, so you can
see why it's a bit hard to get hold of
a how about that address aut dot ac dot nz
Ford's slash about sport slash policy dash hub. Nahmihi kiya
kaha te reo mari krk k. That was Damien who

(01:14:08):
wrote that. So they are independent, and I defend their independence.
And the bit that I don't like though, is that
they're overt. And you've got to remember where the money
comes from, comes from, you and I and the taxpayer.
And do you and I, as we sit here this morning,
agree that just based on race and race alone and
for no other reason, somebody on that criteria gets a

(01:14:29):
better deal than anybody else. Surely that is wrong and
do we not agree with that? News for you in
a couple of.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
Moments, your trusted source for news and fews, the Mic
Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential,
commercial and rural news togs EDB Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
The latest emailer received from red Bull at six seventeen
this morning. Under drivers, they list only three verstap and
science and Lawson. I assume when you say science you
don't mean science, you mean prayers, unless you do mean science.
And something's happened that I haven't seen very interesting. Murray,
We're onto it, don't you worry. Totally understand Michael, government

(01:15:09):
sentiments on the WFH director, But what about Wellington, Pori,
rua Hut Valley, suburban s law businesses that have benefited
from WFH. That was my point earlier on. They're trying
to get better productivity in the public service. It's not
about buying coffee. Because the coffee was brought in per
TONI or the coffee was brought downtown, depending on where
you were, the coffee was still bought. But if you

(01:15:30):
bring people back to downtown. Downtown will do. But the
main point the government are trying to get across is
you need to be in the office to be more productive,
is their argument twenty two to.

Speaker 3 (01:15:39):
Nine International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance Peace of
mind for New Zealand Business UK.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
We go wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:15:46):
Little money mate, good.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Now there's conference of the Labor Party. Do they spend
a lot of time talking about the freebies as there
are a table of freebies they bring along that you
can grab, or.

Speaker 4 (01:15:59):
There's rather to put that on the back burner though
you know this isn't a happy conference. Is It's remarkable
that this is a conference which follows their massive victory
at the July the fourth general election. And what you
get are senior members of the Labor Party being booed

(01:16:22):
as they speak, such as for example, Rachel Reeves Chancellor
because of her decision took up the winter payments to pensioners.
But it's not just that we now we're beginning to
find out just kind of incrementally, moment after moment how

(01:16:43):
much these guys claimed from, you know, extra mural finances.
So Bridget Phillipson, she didn't only have one fortieth birthday party. Now,
I had a fortieth birthday party and it was down
the pub with some mates. You know, Yes, she had

(01:17:04):
one which costs fourteen thousand quid. That was the first one.
But then she's admitted another fortieth birthday party also paid
for by the same guy, which is a guy called
Lord Ali who was a longtime labor donor and who
paid for another bunch of money. And you know, she says,

(01:17:28):
along with accusations that she'd been to see Taylors Swift
free of charge while I had to my kids would
have been distracted. I haven't seen. It's just remarkable. I
have never known a government deliquest into chaos and greed

(01:17:50):
so quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:17:51):
I've lost count of the number of shots I've seen
of Stamer at the football. Did he atteend anything at
all apart from the football as leader of the opposition
or was he just at the football permanently.

Speaker 4 (01:18:01):
I think it was at the football permanently, and of
course being at the football enabled him to be at
the football. It's in the guise of the Premier League
or whoever paid for him to sit in a special box.
It's just remarkable. I don't know why you need to
sit in a special box at Arsenal. Nobody said anything anyway,
no one cheers. It's just the kind of North London.

(01:18:24):
It's kind of like a North London church where you're
silent for ninety minutes. But you know, it's just I
have genuinely never know that, genuinely never known a government
succumbs so quickly to this stuff, and don't forget that

(01:18:46):
this was what won them the election. That we are
not chances, we're not going to trouser money for ourselves.
We don't believe that we should live differently to you.
Lot they do, a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
I was watching Angela on the television explaining this are
le is he the only donor? And how many millions
has he given? But I was watching Angela on the telly,
and she was busy explaining his flat in New York
was very useful when she went there for a holiday
and stuff like that. This line she and the other
scene to run that it wasn't against the rules or
they did. Let somebody know, does that float or not?

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
I don't think in the end that it does. I mean,
it's not simply that Angela Rayner is able to take
you know, these holidays in New York, which you know,
I wouldn't mind if I'm honest, and I'm someone who
might have voted labor in jolo course if I wasn't standing.
But it's also we've just found out she spent sixty

(01:19:42):
eight thousand quid of taxpayers money. This is Angela Rainer
on on a photographer to make her look good. I mean,
you know, you just this is beyond computation. If Boris
Johnson had done that, there would have been outrage, and
I think there's outrage now exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:02):
David Lammey, where are we at with the criticism.

Speaker 4 (01:20:06):
It's just it's very difficult to express. This is a
man who, when he was on a Mastermind Celebrity Mastermind
back in two thousand and seven, thought that the woman
who'd won the Nobel Prize for Physics in two thousand
and three was Marie Antoinette. You know this. He is

(01:20:31):
possibly the thickest person ever to have held high office
in the United Kingdom. And what he's done recently. Firstly,
he's alienated the USA and Israel by deciding that Britain
needs to withdraw it's okaying for Israel to use certain

(01:20:54):
weapons and et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. But he's
also managed to out rage the Armenians by saying that
as by John was a liberating country, it's just you
have this is This isn't just Forrest Gump. This is
rain Man. You know. This is a man with absolutely

(01:21:16):
no grasp, no intellect, no wit, and he is our
foreign secretary. Good luck?

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
All right, might go, well, we catch up on Thursday.
I appreciate it. Rod little out of the UK standby
fresh polls straight off the presses in a moment seventeen
to nine.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeart Radio
powered by News Talks it be.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
That's why from nine, I'll give you the numbers out
of the states on the poll taken between seventeen twenty
and twenty one September seventeen and twenty one, so it's fresh.
It deals with Arizona, George, et cetera. Anyway, I come
to the numbers. He's been Trump has been in Smithton
and Pennsylvania this morning. He was trying to talk about
China and terrorists. But often when he starts off on
a subject that sort of it doesn't stay on the subject.

Speaker 22 (01:21:59):
So then brought an now the weakest border in history.
It was the best border we ever had. When I
was there, we built hundreds of miles of wall and
everything else, and it was the best border now. So
weecause I had a handshake deal with him, it was
going to happen very quickly. And then this side didn't
didn't do anything about it, he said, And he suggested

(01:22:20):
to me, anybody sends fentanyl to the United States, it's
the death penalty. They get the maximum penalty. They would
have done it. And then we had an election that
didn't exactly work out too good, and it was a disgrace, frankly,
And that deal went and a lot of other bad
things happened, like Russia attacking Ukraine, October seventh, inflation, A

(01:22:43):
lot of bad things happened, the horrible way we got
out of Afghanistan. So many things happened that wouldn't have happened.

Speaker 2 (01:22:51):
Yeah, a lot of bad things, so many bad things.

Speaker 15 (01:22:53):
That election was a disgrice, by.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
The way, so many bad things. The election. He built
fifty two miles aboard us, not exactly the whole anyway,
here's the poll out this morning. We're dealing with Arizona,
Trump leads forty eight forty three, so that's outside the
margin era, so it's a good number. Forty eight forty
three in Arizona, Georgia forty seven forty four, inside the
margin of era at three points of significant. North Carolina
forty seven forty five, Trump over Harris in each of

(01:23:19):
those poles. Mike, if you're doing your weekly NFL round up,
please don't forget the Bikings three nail starter. I was
chatting with a friend from Seattle yesterday and I told
him about the Bikings and this is our year. He
replied to you're channeling, you're in a warrior. I'm surprised
he'd heard of this quote in North America, Mike. If
you look at the NFL, which I was watching yesterday

(01:23:40):
because I'm in love with Kirk Cousins after watching the
Netflix program Quarterback. Anyway, he's at the Falcons these days,
and they were about to beat the Chiefs, but they didn't.
Such as the way, you've only got four teams left,
your Bikings, You got your Chiefs, your Steelers, and your Seahawks,
who are three and zero. So three weeks in thirty
two teams only four of the thirty two have an
unbeaten record so far, So it's going to be one

(01:24:02):
of those super exciting seasons I think, where anything could happen.
Turn away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:09):
The Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Estate and News Talks,
Vy and Peace.

Speaker 2 (01:24:14):
A read the other day from The New York Times
Why so Many? Speaking of the poll in the aforementioned
why so many Americans are still undecided about who to
vote for? They conclude, look it up. It's well worth reading,
and they sort of argue their case relatively well. But
they conclude by saying, to the undecided voter, this isn't
a simple choice between stability and peril. It's a choice
between two candidates and coalitions that, for different reasons, don't

(01:24:35):
merit public confidence. And in a democracy, if you keep
offering voters too bad choices, you shouldn't be surprised that
they will often choose the one you are sure as worse.
Sums it up nicely, doesn't it, Mike. We run a
team building company in Mattakana. Must be Good Life. Matticana's
Beautiful started in two thousand and four. We're now seeing
corporate groups arrive with staff members who have never met

(01:24:58):
Some have worked for their organizations for four years. Their
ability to work as functional teams as well below the
average of those who daily engage with their fellow workers.
Isn't that good? Max? Well done? You never met worked
for the company for four years?

Speaker 4 (01:25:10):
Min?

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
I just suppose that's corporate, isn't. Internationally, if you work
for an international operator, chances are you've never met I.

Speaker 14 (01:25:16):
I've worked with Richard Arnold for yeah, good point twenty
three years more slightly more than there, and I've never
met him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
No, So what's your problem? Don't raise your problems with us,
klint Well, especially at this time the program when we
don't have time to deal with them properly. Thanks for
introducing and indoctrinating me over time to the American football
and Formula one racing is not Christian Horner, a narcissist
and very frustrating person. Lilliam should tell them to get stuffed.

(01:25:45):
I don't think Liam's going to tell them to get stuffed.
I tell you what. Two things that I've really reveled
in and enjoyed so far this week and it's only Tuesday.
One was Aaron Rodgers watching him last fright as the
New York Jets quarterback play for the first time unhindered
by any sort of injury, and they had a fabulous win.

(01:26:09):
And he's just such a class act to watch. If
you ever want to in revel in watching people at
their very best, look at him. He is so cool.
And then yesterday I watched Daniel Riccardo as he got
interviewed a number of times about his departure from F
one in that kind of I know, you know, we
know that, you know you know that we can't say
kind of way and talk about hold yourself with dignity,

(01:26:31):
And it's no wonder everyone loves him because he is
such an engaging, likable person and it's only in the
worst of times that the best of you comes out.
And you saw the best of Daniel Ricardo yesterday and
he handled it as well as, if not better than
you could ever possibly dream. And then the subplot was
Max for Stappan and Max for Stappan who comes across

(01:26:54):
if you follow F one is a very robotic, hard ass,
take no prisoners, and that many respects is why here's
the champion. He years is actually I think a nice guy.
Liam Lawson has spoken very kindly of him previously, has
been one of the few who shows an interest in
younger drivers. And I won't explain it, but Ricotta had
a bad time in Japan a couple of months back.

(01:27:14):
The only driver reached out to him was for Stapping again,
who texted him and said, don't worry about it. Don't
listen to them. You're better than that. And so it's
just nice to see that, you know, behind the facade,
it's like me, a lot of people don't think that
I'm a nice guy. Five Tonight Trending.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Now I will house from the home of Big Brand Cosmetics.

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
Now chrome cast Google chrome Cast, which is your dongle,
and you take your This is.

Speaker 14 (01:27:45):
Just a minefield, is that you're about to talk about
a whole lot of stuff that you've got no idea
what you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
You take your dongle and you plug it and anyway,
it's over. As of today, they've got the Google TV Streamer,
which is a set top box. You get another stop
box to go with your nine hundred other sit top boxes.
And yes it's more powerful, and yes it's got nine
lenses as a camera, and yes you can fly it
in order from Amazon and get pizza delivered. See Scott

(01:28:12):
Brown from Android authority He's got the wood.

Speaker 23 (01:28:16):
Google has also fully redesigned the remote. The remote now
has a taller shape to it, it has more buttons
than before. The volume buttons have moved from the side
of the controller to the top, which is a move
that I really appreciate. And there's a new customizable button
that can launch your favorite streaming app, switch the inputs
on your TV, or even launch the Google Home app

(01:28:37):
on the back of the device itself. There's also a
USBC port that's specifically just for power. You have an
Ethernet port, which is a nice touch Google, thank you
so much for including that. And this button right here
will allow you to find your remote. If you tap
the button, it makes your remote emit a chirping sound,
which will help you find it if it happens to
get lost in any of your couch cushions.

Speaker 2 (01:28:58):
In your couch cushions. Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:29:01):
Somebody who reviews tech can't say the word button.

Speaker 2 (01:29:04):
No, it's how much is it? It seems cheap? Is
it cheap? It seems cheap? The Google TV streamer it's
out in stores now. It's cheaper than the iPhone sixteen.

Speaker 14 (01:29:16):
By some considerable man.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
So at one hundred and eighty dollars, I think I'm
going to buy the Google TV streamer. Does it do
calls and texts or not? Anyway, that's us for the day.
Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:28):
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