Full Show Podcast: 1 October 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The news fold opinions, Heather Duplicy Allen on the Mike
Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, your local experts across residential,
commercial and rural news togs.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Had been.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Till lad morning and welcome coming up today. The Prime
Minister is making four hundred and eighty thousand dollars at
the sale of two of his properties. Why are we
even talking about this? He's with us after seven thirty,
will chat in about it. We'll get infrastructuring New Zealand's
take on how much they're loving the building focus the
government is on for the rest of this year, or
through his mayor on where the council should get a
share of that new tourism money. And also Catherine Field and.

Speaker 4 (00:37):
Rob Little, Heather Duplicity Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
So we've got a fascination with prime ministers and their money,
it turns out, and Last News One last night One
News did the calculation that Christopher Luxen stands to make
four hundred and eighty thousand dollars off the sale of
his apartment in Wellington. He's moving out because he's going
over to Premier House, and also also a rental property
that he's selling in South Auckland. Now the implication of
the story was basically Christoph Luck's making too much money

(01:01):
off these properties, he should be taxed. Over the weekend,
a newspaper in Wellington also reported that Jacinda Ardern is
earning three hundred and sixteen thousand dollars per appearance every
time she speaks on the international speaking circuit, and the
implication there was certainly in commentary afterwards, that it's unethical
for her to be doing that. It's damaging her reputation

(01:23):
by showing that she really does love money over doing
good after all, and if Prome ministers keep on doing
stuff like this, how do we know that they're actually
making the right decisions when they are in power and
not thinking about what kind of money they're going to
earn afterwards. Now, look, I don't mind the fascination with
prime minister's and former prime minister's earnings. I think it's
completely human nature to be into it. And well, we're
fascinated by what our colleagues earned, right, so why wouldn't

(01:44):
we be fascinated by what Luxin and Arderne earn. However,
that is where I think it should stop at fascination.
There's nothing wrong with Jasinda Ardun earning that much money
off the speaking circuit. Frankly, if we're honest about it,
talking was about the only thing she was actually good at,
and she'd be all not to take that kind of
money if it's on offer. Same goes for Luxon. He
was a well paid businessman before politics. You would expect

(02:06):
him to have plenty of money. You would expect him
to put some of that money into property, and unless
things have gone very bad for him in his calculations,
you would expect him to make money off a property,
especially one that he has apparently renovated. Nothing wrong here
to suggest that Luckson's capital gain on his property is
evidence that we need a capital gains tax And to
suggest that just in this speaking circuit means that we

(02:26):
need to put some sort of restraint of trade on
future Prome ministers is just taking it a bit far,
isn't it. I mean, it's fine to be fascinated. Just
leave it at that.

Speaker 4 (02:35):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
Well, the US aren't mourning Nozrala. Here's blinken.

Speaker 5 (02:42):
Hassan Israla was a brutal terrorist who's many victims included Americans, Israelis,
civilians in Lebanon, the region, the world are safer without him.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
So far, the strikes on Lebanon I said to have
displaced a million people.

Speaker 6 (03:00):
They need shelter, they need a place to stay, and
we still have many people sleeping on the streets. They
need blankets, they need matritis, they need food, they need
access to halthcare services as well to.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
The other conflict that Israel's involved in. This man is
a brother in law to one of Hamasa's UK hostages.
He wants to make sure they aren't losing focus.

Speaker 7 (03:21):
People ask me.

Speaker 6 (03:22):
How I am, how I'm bearing up.

Speaker 4 (03:25):
Honestly, I'm tired, so so tired.

Speaker 8 (03:29):
Every day without a home safe is like an added
weight to my shoulders.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
Hurricane Helen's death toll is now more than one hundred.
This is the situation in North Carolina.

Speaker 9 (03:38):
We just got an update from Buoncambi County here, which
is where Asheville is located. They were on a zoom
giving updates. Here's the headlines right now. The shelters are
full at capacity here. They're asking people to just sit tight.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Josies, don't worry. He's on his way to help.

Speaker 10 (03:57):
I'm competed to traveling to the impacted areas as soon
as part Well, I've been told that disruptive if I
did it right now. We will not do that at
the risk of diverting or delaying any any of the
response assets needed to deal with this crisis.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Do you remember those two astronauts who are stuck up
in space. Well, a SpaceX riscue capsule has docked at
the International Space Station to help them out, but it's
still going to be a while before they're coming home.

Speaker 11 (04:21):
I missed my two dogs, I miss my friends. But
you know what, there are so many people Honor that
are sending us messages and it makes you feel just
right at home with everybody when we're able to have
those conversations with our friends and family.

Speaker 3 (04:34):
And finally got a bit of good news for all
of you coffee drinkers. We have found the daily amount
the perfect one. Researchers in China looked at data from
the UK Biobank, which is figures from about half a
million people in it. They found that if you have
three cups of coffee a day, you have a lower
risk of developing things like diabetes or cardiovascular disease. In fact,

(04:55):
the risk drops by half compared to those who drink
less than one cup of coffee a day. Leader get
it in. Yeah, and that is the news of the
world in ninety seconds. Now, it looks like whatever Israel
is going to do in Lebanon is going to happen
potentially quite soon. Israel has told the US. This is
according to a US official. Israel has already told the
US that it's planning to launch a limited ground evasion

(05:18):
in Lebanon, and it may come as soon as within
the next twenty four hours. His Bolla, though, is now
having to think about choosing a successor for Hassan Nazraela,
who was killed over the weekend. Some reckon it could
be a cousin on his mom's side. Chap's name is
Hashem Safirdin, who is potentially more hard line than Israela himself.

(05:39):
He's the head of his bolla's executive council. He's the
managing the group operations. He's also the son in law
of the late Iranian general Solimani, so you'll know him,
I suppose through family connections.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
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Speaker 3 (06:02):
Here the one news didn't allow for the realistate agent fees.
I suppose there's two of those, actually two different properties.
All the money that was spent on doing the houses up,
it was completely inaccurate. I'm sorry, but this has nothing
to do with us. Just looks like tall poppy syndrome.
That's from Kurston Right now, it's sixteen past set Andrew
klahoef JM I Wealth is with us. Hello Andrew, morning, Heather.

(06:22):
Now what are you making of that am ze business confidence?

Speaker 12 (06:25):
Well, here's a This is a conundrum, isn't it. This
is a conundrum because we're getting this this gloomy picture
of parts of the domestic economy, but the business confidence
is telling us sort of quite a different story.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
It's soaring, it's through the roof.

Speaker 12 (06:38):
And this is sort of despite the fact that we're
seeing sort of tough times for things like retail, hospitality, construction.
You're seeing a big squeeze on discretionary spending. And Heather,
we've got the probability that right now we're probably in
the midst of an economic recession.

Speaker 13 (06:53):
So what's going on.

Speaker 12 (06:54):
One of the numbers well AINSID Business Outlook released yesterday's
telling us that headline business confidence rows ten points to
plus sixty one. This is the highest level in around
a decade, so it's pretty frothy. Expected own activity that
has a good correlation with growth. That's up eight points
to plus forty five. But here's where it gets interesting.

(07:16):
Experienced own activity, So what's actually happened. That's still sitting
in negative territory minus nineteen. It did go come up
from minus twenty three. Experienced employment, so this points to
the labor market. It also fell five points, and pricing
intentions points to inflation rose slightly up two points. So
digging through the survey, Heather, I'd make the following comments. One,

(07:37):
I look at the retail sector. They think things are
going to get better, and that's quite marked. It rose
from plus fifty six to plus seventy five. But there's
an element right through the survey of what's called the
base effect.

Speaker 4 (07:49):
So people are asked.

Speaker 12 (07:50):
The question people ask Heather is will things get better
or if you know, are things going to get better? Well,
they were so negative that getting better doesn't mean that
things are going to be bointed. This means they're better
than horrible. Also, there's a very clear differentiation between where things,
where the reality is now where it's expected to be,
So your experienced own activity versus your expected activity. So

(08:13):
the here and now is bad, but it's expected to
get better. Just looking at construction that specifically forward and
backward and indicators there have lifted. That's an interest rates
sensitive sector. So now we start to look at things
like building consents to see if we can see a
sort of a reaction and upput lift in those consents.
And now I suppose the final comment I was made

(08:34):
was what what does this mean for the RB and Z.
What are the implications there? I think this will give
them some couse to reflect on the potential impact of
too much interest rate relief too soon. And the risk
is the authors of the survey said, of two vigorous
a response to lower interest rates. Now the thing is
wholesale interest rates, not the ocr wholesale interesstrates. They've been

(08:55):
falling since April. I think the RB and Z will
be more influenced by the ENTEREDI Quadly Survey Business Opinion
that's due this week. It's a Cordly survey.

Speaker 13 (09:05):
There's a lot of detail in that.

Speaker 12 (09:07):
If that's telling a similar story, it adds more weight
to the argument that maybe they want to throttle back
on the pace of further ocr cut, so we wait
and see.

Speaker 3 (09:16):
That's a fair point. Hey, So it doesn't look like
the Japanese share markets loving the new incoming prime minister.

Speaker 12 (09:22):
No, they did not like Shuguru Asheba coming in at all.
So he won the race for the lead of the
ruing ruling Liberal Democrat Party. He beat Sinai tucka Ichi
to the position. When we got to it yesterday, the
Japanese share market futures they were absolutely cratering down six
percent and trading during the day. They did see the
NIK two two five for one nine hundred and ten

(09:43):
points four point eight percent, so it regained some of
that six percent. It wasn't quite as bad as a
six percent fall, still a meeting fall. The issue here
is the attitude to monetary policy. The market sees Ishiba
is less favorable to easier monetary policy.

Speaker 13 (09:56):
Share market didn't like that though. But did you see
the Chinese share market.

Speaker 12 (09:59):
Yes today head it did you see that?

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yep?

Speaker 12 (10:02):
Carson, Yeah, Carson, and I have to China. Chinese sharemaker's
got absolute rocket under them. Shanghai composite gained almost thirteen
percent last week. Yesterday up eight percent the shit the
shen Zen index was up almost ten percent in one
to day. This is phenomenal. These are the biggest games
we've seeing the Chinese share market since two thousand and eight.
Massive turnaround in fortunes. And I have to leave you

(10:24):
with this, Heather, I saw a line yesterday and the
markets have been talked about this ABC phenomenon. So up
to last week, ABC was anything but China. Now ABC
means all and by China, So China got up. Might
talk more about it tomorrow if.

Speaker 13 (10:39):
We've got time.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yea, how quickly that turned around? Hey, give me the numbers.

Speaker 4 (10:42):
Sure.

Speaker 12 (10:43):
The Dow Jones down one hundred and fifteen points. Jerome
Power is speaking at six forty five. Everything could change
after that, but at the moment, Dow Jones down about
a quarter percent. S and P five hundred is virtually
unchanged five seven three five. The Nasdaq eighteen thousand, one
hundred and seven down thirteen points overnight. The forty one
hundred lost one percent eight two three six. There the Nike,

(11:04):
as I said, got smacked down four point eight percent
thirty seven thy nine hundred and nineteen Shanghai composite, though
right back the other way, up two hundred and forty
eight points eight percent three three three six.

Speaker 13 (11:15):
Yesterday, the Aussie's.

Speaker 12 (11:16):
Gained points seven percent eight two sixty nine, and on
the ZX fifty we lost thirty four points just under
quarter percent, just over quarter percent twelve four hundred twenty three.
Kimi dollar also got a rocket under it point sixty
three seven three against the US, point nine one eighty
four against the ossie point five seven one six Euro
point four to seven five four pounds ninety one point
two one Japanese yen gold is trading at two thousand,

(11:38):
six hundred and thirty eight dollars and bread crude seventy
one dollars and eighty eight cents.

Speaker 13 (11:43):
Good stuff.

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Andrew, it's good to talk to you, mate. Talked too soon,
that's Andrew kellaher Jaymio Wealth. The government's released you would
have called this yesterday. Released it's a quarterly, its fourth
quarter action plan, and looks like infrastructure is going to
be the focus for what remains of the rest of
the year. Probably the most important thing, I would say
infrastruture one on that list would be the Fast Track
Approvals Bill and getting that thing passed, because that just
unlocks the ability to go faster with everything else. Tolling actually,

(12:07):
weirdly is turning into more of a problem than I
would have expected it to, judging by what's going on
Horde Feneris. So we'll have a chat to Nick Legget's
infrastructure CEO about that later on. We'll be here with
us just after seven o'clock actually six twenty two.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
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Speaker 3 (12:28):
That'd be hey. By the way, the first day of
Marine le Pen's trial in France has presumably just wrapped
up in the last I can't want to say, maybe
the last couple of hours or thereabouts. It will just
just have closed in the last wee while be early
evening over there. She's facing charges of misusing European parliamentary funds.
We're gonna have a chat to Catherine Field about that.
Who's with us after half past six? Right now it's

(12:49):
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Speaker 3 (14:58):
How are you gonna love this? Council's want more money,
So I'll run you through this from today. What's happening
is that tourists arriving here in this country are paying more. Right.
This is the International Visitors Levey. It was thirty five
bucks yesterday's one hundred bucks today. And the councils have
looked at that and they said, oh, difference is sixty
five dollars. Will have that, thank you very much. They
want that given to councils up and down this country

(15:19):
basically to spend on the facilities that that councils use
and so on. Now, I'm sure a lot of us
have got some sympathy for the idea. The trouble is,
councils are rubbish with money, aren't they. They just blow
it on the weirdest things.

Speaker 18 (15:31):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (15:31):
And case in point was last week Hastings District Council
giving the unelected youth the vote and that comes with
a two thousand dollars paypack every year, which is not
a lot of money, but it all adds up in
the end. Anyway. One of the mayors who I think
that that we're most impressed with at the moment, as
as Metania tapsles, she's going to be U quarter past
seven and try to make the case for this for us.
It's twenty two away from seven. Let us they want

(15:55):
to lay out, so it looks like we're going to
be waiting at least ten years to find new gas. Now,
this is the advice for the government because it is
of course repealing the oil and gas exploration ban at
the moment. In submissions on that close today and Resources
Minister Shane Jones is with us. Now, Hey Shane, hey morning, folks,
what do you reckon the chances aren't. These guys are right,
and we don't get any new gas within the next decade.

Speaker 19 (16:18):
Oh, I have a long term view about this. We're
going to need gas in New Zealand or cold until
twenty fifty. And all we're doing is ensuring that we
get rid of the de cinder of Durned Band, which
was an attempt to close down the gas industry, and
we didn't like that. I don't want to see it
persist one minute longer than it should.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
No, No, I agree with you on that, But I mean,
does this seems to me a little bit pessimistic to
be thinking that we're just going to have to be
importing LG for the next ten years.

Speaker 19 (16:44):
Well through the entire system Sadly, over the last six
years there's been this creep of wocism and people are
working in a lot of these climate orientated locations have
become very cynical towards the gas industry. They seem to
regard it as a mortal threat and the planet's going

(17:07):
to be boiling, all of which is rubbish. And New
Zealand emissions are a fraction and we need to sustain
our industry and make sure that we put new Zealand first,
and not climate first.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
Shane, what makes up these ten years? I mean, is
this because we know there's gas out there right, We
know that there are a bunch of fields that could
potentially actually pump up a whole lot. So how does
it take ten years to get it out of the ground.
As part of that you having to convince them to
come back.

Speaker 19 (17:36):
Yeah, part of it is the confidence that was dented
after Descenda summarily canceled industry. But in addition to that,
we already have gas fields and quite a bit of
a problem has been the uncertainty going forward. If they
do spend one hundred couple of hundred million dollars, what
about if a new government arrives and indiscriminately cancels this industry,

(18:00):
which is we've got to explore ways of protecting people's rights.
It's absurd that you and I are even having this discussion,
which probably belongs in Venezuela, not New Zealand're.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Youre right, Hallison? What about those protesters yesterday? Why do
you stop to have a chat to them?

Speaker 19 (18:15):
Shane actually went for a haircut and then Rodney Wayne's
my appointment had been postponed. Look, they were initially at
Parliament and yeah, across the road and they saw me
and gave me a blast. But hey, they're entitled to
their views. I'm not going to take a backward step

(18:36):
from these.

Speaker 3 (18:36):
You were enjoying it though, a because you stopped and
had a little chat right back at them.

Speaker 19 (18:42):
Yeah, but I mean, I think Key, we want to
see someone put an alternative view to these frog loving,
lizard obsessive characters.

Speaker 3 (18:52):
Shane, good on you more of it, Thanks very much
that Shane Jones, the Resource Minister.

Speaker 4 (18:57):
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Speaker 8 (18:58):
Why not?

Speaker 3 (18:59):
It was quite fun to watch that. Hey, in the
last hour or so, Trump's arrived at Georgia and now
not clear why, but it may be to show Biden
up because Biden's made it clear he's not going to
be going to the storm aftermath until he isn't going
to cause distraction and so on, right, so he's not going.
So Trump shows up and he's straight into the slitching.

Speaker 11 (19:15):
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Roman Backer.

Speaker 9 (19:19):
No, I haven't reached out John though I think he's
sleeping right now actually and.

Speaker 16 (19:24):
Looking around to tomorrow night.

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Jennie Man and then to me, I think JD is
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People like them a lot, and he's against Tampa and Jim.

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I think, oh, I don't think should have ever been chosen.

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He's not qualified.

Speaker 7 (19:44):
But JD's a very smart guy, as everybody knows.

Speaker 3 (19:46):
I think he's going to do fred We'll see. I
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Speaker 3 (19:58):
I'm loving Shane Jones, who was at the moment just
because he's He's just wild, isn't he? And it's quite
fun listen. Some good has come from the winging in
the morning about Oasis and the dynamic pricing and so
on the bank. The band has decided it's going to
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hopefully for every other part of the world tour, so

(20:20):
nobody else gets stung with those ridiculous prices. It's called
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Speaker 3 (20:29):
Now as Captain Field France correspondent Catherine.

Speaker 14 (20:32):
Hello, Hey, good morning, Heather.

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Okay, so we've got Marine la Pennon on trial. First
days wrapped up. How the first day go, Well.

Speaker 15 (20:40):
It was actually extraordinary, Heather, because not only did we
see that far right leader of the French National Ralligh
Marine la Penne, coming into the top, but also twenty
four other members of her party, all of them on
trial for accused of embezzling European parliamentary funds.

Speaker 14 (21:00):
They all have pleaded not guilty.

Speaker 15 (21:02):
What it relates to, Heather, is right back in two
thousand and four, when it was then the National Front
was really starting to get going in politics. It was
getting members into the European Parliament, but they didn't really
have the money to be able to operate properly here
in France. So what they did was, or what they're
accused of doing, is taking some of the money that

(21:24):
was given to them for operating in the European Parliament
and used it to give jobs, contracts and all sorts
of work to parliamentary assistants who worked for the actual
party here in Paris, rather than non European parliamentary matters.

Speaker 14 (21:39):
So the sums are quite exceptional.

Speaker 15 (21:41):
About five and a half million New Zealand dollars is
how much they're accused of diverting. They've already paid back
about a quarter, just every quarter of that. But they
did say that does not mean that they are guilty
of this. But of course it comes really bad time
for her because this could really derail her presidential ambitions.

(22:03):
She seems to think that she's in for a chance,
last chance in twenty twenty seven when the French presidential
elections and next jury take place. Of course, if she's
found guilty of embusiment, she could be not only sentenced
to prison term, but also the court could hand down
her right to stand for elected office. That would last

(22:24):
for about ten years.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yep, quite a long double that would put it. That
would dash her hopes of any kind of leadership position
in politics, wouldn't it.

Speaker 14 (22:31):
Oh, that would pretty much be the end of it.

Speaker 8 (22:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (22:34):
To come back from that that, they said she was
quite honest in court. She said, look, we have not
violated any rules. I will be here.

Speaker 15 (22:41):
I will defend not just myself but also the way
the party was. So I think they've also been saying
over the years there's this case. It's turned through because
it relates to what two thousand and four to twenty sixteen.

Speaker 14 (22:53):
They're saying.

Speaker 15 (22:54):
The problem is party financing. All the parties are doing that.
It's just you think we're the only ones doing it.
And so again we hear them playing the victim character.
You're only picking on us because we're the far right.

Speaker 3 (23:05):
Yeah, of course, Cathern. Now you guys have obviously got
yourselves a government and a prime minister. Finally, do you
think it's going to hold? This is the question?

Speaker 15 (23:13):
Right, Well, that's right, the seventh of July, when those
elections are held, seen such a long time ago, doesn't Batiers.

Speaker 14 (23:20):
There is the prime minister and the government.

Speaker 15 (23:22):
And on Tuesday, the Prime Minister, Michelle Vanier will have
the sort of inaugural statement to the House. The French
parliament will get to hear him set out his policy
priorities will at last who knows, who knows? Apparently he's
going to announce all sorts of rises and taxes. He's
going to talk about cutting some public services. It is

(23:44):
a minority government, it is a very right wing government.
Considering that they also considering that majority of people voted
for the center or left candidates.

Speaker 14 (23:55):
Will he survives.

Speaker 15 (23:56):
Well, he's clearly quite concerned about it because usually after
the Prime Minister sets out the policy priorities for the
next year, they put.

Speaker 14 (24:04):
It to the vote in Parliament.

Speaker 15 (24:05):
Now he's said, and constitutionally he's allowed to do that.
He said, there will be no vote in parliament for
his speech.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
How much do you reckon the Pope hated his trip
to Belgium.

Speaker 14 (24:17):
Oh, I think he just hated it. He hated every
minute of the heather. He clearly misjudged the murder.

Speaker 15 (24:25):
He came to Belgium and to Luxembourg thinking and hoping
he will get quite a good response, well aware of
course that Europe has become so much more secular over
the last few decades, and also that there has been
this constant question mark of whether the Vatican and whether
the Church itself in Belgium has shown enough sorrow, has

(24:48):
acted enough in all these allegations of sexual abuse. Now,
what was two things particularly very embarrassing for him?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Hew?

Speaker 15 (24:56):
That one was the Belgian Prime Minister and the Belgian
King both publicly asked the Pope to understand those who
had suffered sexual abuse at the hands of the clergy.
There was also criticism that the Vatican had not moved
quickly enough on the then Bishop of Bruges, who retired
in twenty ten after admitting sexual abusing his nephew.

Speaker 14 (25:18):
He was only defrault this year. And then, of course
the Pope.

Speaker 15 (25:22):
Went to Belgium to celebrate, if you like, six hundred
years of the famous Catholic University and Live, and two
of the rectors stood up and made speeches criticizing the
Catholic Church, saying that they needed to do more to
have a role for women within the church, they needed
to do more for LGBT Catholics and also you're just

(25:42):
saying you have to do more. So the Pope left
went home. Apparently on the way home on the plane
he described doctors who carry out abortions as hitmen. So
you clearly did not listen to any of the words
that were spoken to him during his and Belgium.

Speaker 3 (26:01):
Is probably happy to be out of there. Hey, thank
you very much. Catherine always appreciated as Catherine Field correspondent
from France. John Key, by the way, has weighed in
on the US election, has given an interview and given
us as thought. So it's as quite some interesting points
that he's made, So I'm going to run you through
that in the next hour. So it's nine away from
seven either Dupless.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
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Retirement Communities News tog said, be.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
Six away from seven. I'll tell you what new book
about Elon Musk is going to be coming out soon,
and it sounds absolutely fascinating if you're into kind of
working out how somebody like Elon Musk, quite a controversial
figure texts. It's called character limit. How Elon Musk destroyed
destroyed Twitter. I don't think that's up for debate. I mean,
the thing is completely unusable now. It's just it's hideous

(26:46):
since he's got a hold of it. And that's something
else completely clearly, judging by reviews of the book, Elon
Musk is obviously something of a genius. If you didn't
already know this, because I mean example that they use
in the book is that before many of us could
see the impact that the Internet would have on media,
even before the media could see the impact that the
Internet would have, and some of them are still struggling
to come to terms with that, he could see it

(27:08):
as far back as nineteen ninety eight, he said, I
think the Internet is the be all, in the end
all of media. And how right has he proved to be?
But obviously flawed character, completely obsessed with his own popularity
and impact, obsessed with becoming the most followed person on Twitter,
like if he had any followers tailing off or whatever,
he'd launch investigations trying to figure out what was going

(27:31):
on there. And at one point, apparently he made a
tweet supporting a super Bowl team, and President Biden put
out a tweet supporting the same super Bowl team, and
President Biden got more interest than he did on Twitter,
so he walked out of the Super Bowl event flew
to San Francisco to try to oversee efforts to figure
out how on earth this had happened to him. That

(27:52):
is how crazy this guy is character limit, How Elon
must destroyed Twitter? How good is that?

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Speaker 3 (28:06):
Righty, you got the latest centric start of for you
this morning. Their credit indicator numbers for August, the number
of consumers behind on payments has increased slightly to four
hundred and sixty one thousand of us now. To put
that in perspective, that is twelve point three percent of
the population got active credit at the moment. That's six
percent higher year on year, and those areas are expected
to continue to go higher in late spring early summer.

(28:29):
New credit card applications have risen to their highest numbers
since November twenty twenty one, which shows us that people
are looking at alternative ways to handle payments and purchases.
Financial hardship cases are up in a big way, with
amount of people and personal financial strife up twenty four
percent year on year. On the business credit side of things,
credit defaults are up five percent across all industries. There

(28:49):
is some good news kind of. It's known within the
industry that when people are struggling, more often than not,
the first thing you fall behind it on is your
car payments. But vehicle loan areas are at six percent,
which is unchanged year on year, so it's not getting
any worse at least, So there's some good news in
there somewhere. Right after the news, we're gonna have a
chat to Nick Legett, Infrastructure New Zealand CEO and what
he makes of the government's plan to get building in

(29:11):
the next what three months through to the end of
the year, and also should councils get any more of
that tourism money or are any it all? We'll speak
to all tou Is Mayor Tanya Tapsle about that. Quarter
past seven. News Dogs d.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
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Speaker 3 (29:42):
Good morning to you. Infrastructure looks like it's going to
be the government's focus for what is left of this year.
The Prime Minister released his Quarter four action Plan yesterday.
Plenty of the targets are focused on getting things built
and infrastructure. New Zealand CEO Nick Leggat is with us now.
Hey Nick, Hey, it feels to me like the most
important thing on that list infrastructure wise, is passing the
Fast Track Approvals Bill. What do you think?

Speaker 16 (30:05):
I think that is definitely a biggie that will help
unlock and speed up infrastructure projects that might otherwise have
sat around for a long time. But then you can't
ignore the replacements to the RAMA. You can't ignore the
National Infrastructure Agency, which is going to be that shop
front for foreign direct investment and then those funding and

(30:30):
financing tools to get more housing built. It is going
to be really important as well. Hither there's a lot there.
I guess that's the message and the government with infrastructure,
it's obviously a long term game, but you need the
settings and the policies to unlock infrastructure at every step,
whether it's funding it, designing, planning and actually delivering it.

(30:53):
And the government are in this position where they've got
a walk in cheu gum. At the same time, the
system needs work. That's because New Zealand doesn't have a
coherent system. That's actually not the fault of any government,
but we've got to have a coherent system that works together.
So they've got to do the system changes and then
they've got to keep getting the projects into the market

(31:14):
and building the things that they said they would and
building those projects that are going to help make New
Zealand more productive and improve our economy.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Now, given the upset and horde off anywhere at the moment,
how do you think the tolling plans are going to
go down?

Speaker 16 (31:29):
Well, look, I think there is We're going to need
to change our mindset on tolling if we want things,
there isn't this magical money theory that's going to come
down from the sky and just deliver them. We are
in a tight fiscal position, but it is also about
fairness and equity and those that use these in this

(31:51):
case roads should pay a little bit more for those.
What we do in New Zealand is that we tend
to build stuff and then forget about it. And what
we know is that internationally we're in the bottom four
countries of the OECD in terms of the way we
manage our assets, and so we don't renew, we don't maintain.
I think Key Wes can feel that with things like

(32:12):
roads and water. So actually taking some money aside every
year from the users of a road, and you know,
putting that towards either the capital cost or maintenance and
repairs and renewal will actually go a hell of a
long way to keeping these assets fit for purpose over time.
We've got to take this longer term view of the

(32:33):
country and yeah, it is going to take a shift
in mindset. But if we want these things, you know,
we've got to learn that that we've got to pay
for them out of our own pockets as we go.

Speaker 3 (32:42):
As well, Nick, really quickly, do you have a view
on whydn Eden's hospital has blown out the way?

Speaker 19 (32:46):
Does?

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Is this a problem with the contractor.

Speaker 16 (32:49):
No, These problems tend to be right from the outset
header when you know the way the project was shaped
and structured. From the outset. They didn't link the design
and the builders together, which they should have done. And
you're seeing that planet there, but you know it's like
it's like anything. There are multiple reasons, you know, obviously

(33:13):
an obsession with where it was cited, lots of detail
that added cost that probably if a rational human was
looking at it, we go, oh, we don't really need that.
I think that we've got to get in better to
standardization in this country across everything we build buildings, roads, bridges,
whatever it might be, because if you can, if you

(33:35):
can standardize a design more often, it's much easier and
cheaper to produce and you're not compromising standards.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
That's a fair point. Hey, thank you, Nick, appreciate. It's
an a leiget of infrastructure New Zealand. By the way,
on the Dunedin hospital, obviously Chris Lux and the Prime
Minister with us after half past.

Speaker 4 (33:48):
Six together dup ZL on past seven.

Speaker 3 (33:52):
Now it could be a life changing day for thousands
across the country today because a range of sort after
medicines are going to be available from FARMAC, including of
a key truder. And joining us now is the Cancer
Society CEO Nicola Kumme Nikolain.

Speaker 20 (34:05):
Good morning morning, Heather.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
Yeah, you've been counting down to today.

Speaker 20 (34:08):
Oh, absolutely, today is significant for us So many families
across our country and well overdo.

Speaker 3 (34:14):
Are there people who have literally been waiting to get
the drug key true to the one that everybody wants
to get their hands on. Are there people who've literally
been waiting and will today be able to get it
and weren't able to yesterday?

Speaker 20 (34:27):
Absolutely they've done only in waiting, but some of them
have also been self funding, mortgaging their homes, traveling outside
of our country. So today is life changing and more
importantly life extending for these families. This will give these
families more time.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
Of all the things that this government has done, I
would put boosting farmac's budget right up there as one
of the most important. What do you think.

Speaker 20 (34:54):
Couldn't agree with you more? Couldn't agree with you more?
And look, some that have come under a lot of
criticism over the last few years. Been one of those people.
But it is very difficult to invest in cancer jokes
when you don't have when you don't have the funding.
So this is a significant investment of what I understand,
it's the largest of its kind ever in New Zealand.

(35:15):
So yeah, absolutely life changing, brilliant.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
Very very happy for you guys. I thank you very much. Nicola.
That's Nicola Kub of the Cancer Society.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Ever do to see Allen.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Here's the thing to keep out for today. Three hours
from our round about ten o'clock, en Zier is going
to put out its quarterly survey of business opinion. Now
why this is important is because this is going to
give us a clue Andrew Keller, who was talking about
this earlier on, It's going to give us a clue
as to what the Reserve Bank does next week with
the official cash rate. The feeling is if we are
too upbeat in the survey, given how upbeat we were

(35:44):
in the A and Z survey which was put out yesterday,
if we're too upbeat in two of these surveys, both
of them, it might move the Reserve Bank to only
cut the official cash rate by twenty five basis points.
If we're not too upbeat, if we're still showing signs
that we're pretty gloomy and stuff, they will lean more
towards fifty basis points because basically they don't want to
overcook it in the other direction. Right, they've gone too
hard in crushing the economy. They now don't want to

(36:05):
free it up too fast. So if we're just going
to be like fizzing, absolute already fizzing, and then they
give us another fifty and then we're really peaking, that's
not what they wanted. Also, keep an eye on at
ten o'clock, as I say, fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
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Speaker 3 (36:24):
That'd be right at sixteen past seven. So the international
visitor levy went up today. Yesterday it costs tourists thirty
five bucks to enter the country. Today it's going to
sting them one hundred bucks. And now councils want to
share of that new money. In fact, I mean, let's
put this honestly, they want all of that new money.
It all to do is mayor Tanya tapsle is with us. Now, Hey, Tanya,
good morning, councils are dreaming, aren't they?

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Tania, I, I've got to try, We've got to try. Look,
can I congratulate our ministers of Tourism and Conservation on
finding a way to increase investment into tourism. But you know,
councils are the ones that actually invest in this infrastructure.
That's our local players. I think it's fair enough to say, hey,
can you share the love?

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, I mean I can see that, and there'll be
a lot of sympathy for that if you were to
if they were to come around to the idea of
giving you the sixty five bucks, which is obviously not
going to happen, how would you share that any case?

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Well, look, for us, it's back to basics. So for
a government that's asking us to invest in orders and
core infrastructure, it's things like public toilets. But you know,
even a Mackenzie district just to clean the public toilets
used by tourists added one percent to this year's rate spill.
So it is quite significant for us to maintain these
facilities and also the environment that tourists use.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah. The difficulty that you guys have got, obviously is
that councils not necessarily yours time. Yeah, but other councils
are doing quite a good job of telling the public
that you guys don't know how to spend money. Would
you accept that.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Yeah, I would accept that. It is doing pretty good child,
But other places we haven't seen great investment in infrastructure.
But the reality is we don't get enough money to
do so we rely on our local community.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Here's the difficulty, right, If you guys aren't getting enough money,
and I accept you don't have enough money, then how
on earth have you got councils like Hasting's District Council
deciding to give unelected youth voting rights and paying them
for that right. How have you got councils like Wellington
City Council deciding to spend about six hundred thousand dollars
on redesigning the footpath for a bi crack. If you
don't have enough money, you shouldn't have enough money for
that stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Well, the important thing is the request will be ring fenced.
So we're saying international visitor levey, if you give us
a share of that, it will be ring fence for
tourism infrastructure only, which is a pretty massive issue for
many of us. So in odor to our populations, what
almost eighty thousand. We get over ten thousand visitors a
day when we're in our peak season, So it makes

(38:46):
sense for us to not burden our local communities, which
some of our communities across the country that get a
lot of tourists do not actually highly populated areas, which
is one of the big concerns. And we're just saying, hey, look,
instead of just getting sucked up into conservation areas is
potentially preer to programs on remote islands in places. Let's
just make sure there's transparency on where the money goes.

(39:07):
Local councils can help with that.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
How do you rate your chances.

Speaker 2 (39:11):
I'm gonna give it a go.

Speaker 20 (39:13):
We got to give it a go.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
I think it's an important issue. We love our homes,
we love our environment, not just for visitors, also for locals.
We need to make sure that they're keeping up to you.

Speaker 19 (39:23):
Great.

Speaker 3 (39:24):
Oh good on you. God loves to try it. Daria,
thank you very much. Tanya taps a little to do
as Aba listen on politics. I feel like the Labor
Party might just want to put out a wee directive
to its MPs to just be a little bit careful
with the things that they're saying about Israel and the
posts that they make about Israel and the Gaza situation
at the at the moment, you will have seen by
now Damian O'Connor had to delete a tweet that he

(39:46):
reposted yesterday which said quote Palestinians have every right to
do whatever they did on October seven. Now, I'm sure
you can understand how offensive that is because especially given
what was actually done on the day, because nothing would
justify that. And actually Dami and should know better. He's
been around a long time. He's a he's a pretty
cool guy. He's the Foreign Affairs spokesperson. So you know,

(40:06):
this is a rookie mistake he shouldn't be making, not
the first one because Duncan Web you remember he got
in trouble for doing a similar thing, had to delete
the post as well. Not a good look, I would
say for a major party in New Zealand to be
this careless with something that is as controversial and inflammatory
and upsetting as that situation at the moment. So maybe
if they I don't know, I mean, it could be
quite simple what the Labour Party has to do about it,

(40:27):
just to say nobody says anything about this at all.
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Speaker 4 (41:42):
Would ever do for see Alan twenty four.

Speaker 3 (41:44):
You're on the regions. Look, we've got to talk about this.
I feel for Southland over the news that Air new
Zealand is cutting the Wellington to Invercargol route. But this
is business right. If that route was not making money,
it had to be cut. Air New Zealand's not a charity.
This is a company, and it's a company that's actually
bleed money at the moment. You have a look at
what's just happened in the last financial year. In the
second half, Air new Zealand made no money. They made

(42:07):
no money. Now, in better times you could probably make
the argument that there is a social license that Air
new Zealand needs to fulfill to the regions. Even then,
frankly I wouldn't buy it, but someone might. But no
one in their right mind can seriously think that a
company losing money in the last six months should run
a flight to in Vicargo that compounds that loss. Now

(42:28):
I feel like in Vercargo needs a gentle reality check here,
and I say gentle because I realize you know that
the last thing they need is probably a reality check
when they're hurting as much as they are over this.
But there is still a direct route from christ Church
to in Vicargo and much more importantly, a direct route
from Auckland to in Vericagol the gateway to the world.
Not every region can boast that, and also gentle reality

(42:52):
check for the local MP, Penny Simmons. She's complained about
the fact that she's now not going to be able
to get home after Parliament on a Thursday because the
Welling Welling into Invercargo flight has been cut in. The
only way around it now is basically to leave at
four o'clock. Leave the office then is far too early now.
The reason that this flight has been cut is because
of her government's public service cuts, right. That's why Wellington

(43:15):
is the only leg that has been cut, because Wellington's
the one with the spending that's dried up. I wouldn't
be surprised if there are more Wellington roots in and
out of the Capitol that are changed for the same
reason because there's just no money in the capital anymore.

Speaker 19 (43:26):
Now.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
I don't mind that Penny Simmons government has done this.
In fact I applauded because I don't want our taxes
to be used to buy flights just to keep a
route running. But reality checks all round, right, this is
business and air New Zealand is still social license or not.
At the heart of it a business.

Speaker 4 (43:43):
Hell do for see Allen Heather.

Speaker 3 (43:45):
How good is Tarnya? Can she move to Wellington and
be our mayor lord above every I'll tell you what
everybody would benefit I think from a little bit of
Tania running their situations at the moment, given what's going
on here, the wonder what rate the council's charge for
toilet cleaning. I think there's gonna be some golden toilet
brushes out there. One of the councils I was reading
about this morning, and I can't remember which one it is,

(44:06):
has something like one percent of its rate bills going
into cleaning the toilets. And these are the toilets that
the tourists use. So it's called to be a fair
price that's being charged. Like when I say fair, I
don't mean like fair and unfair. I mean a fair price.
It's being charged for those toilet cleaning services. Either, if
the councils stop spending loads of money on insane things,

(44:26):
they would have enough many money left over for their
core business and a rates cap. Look, this is my
argument right at the heart of it. If they could
just demonstrate, this is what Luxem's been saying, demonstrate that
you can spend properly and then you get more money.
Don't demonstrated to get no more money anyway. He's with
us straight after the news just after half past seven,
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Speaker 1 (44:56):
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Speaker 4 (45:00):
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Speaker 3 (45:08):
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James Key. We sing a songwriter. He's gonna do with
us after eight o'clock. He posted on Instagram the other
day that he's taking a break from music. So we
have to find out what's going on after eight o'clock
with us. Right now, it's twenty three away from eight
and in studio where us we have Christopher luxon the
Prime Minister Chris, Hello.

Speaker 13 (45:28):
How are you.

Speaker 3 (45:29):
Well, congratulations to you first and foremost, thank you very much.
I feel like you're more used to what's happening right
now than I am. So do you want to take charge?

Speaker 13 (45:36):
You're doing a great job.

Speaker 3 (45:38):
Figure out your button?

Speaker 7 (45:39):
Just then?

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Did you notice that?

Speaker 13 (45:41):
I don't know? So just make it? Just fake it?
Do you make it?

Speaker 21 (45:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (45:44):
Is that what you do?

Speaker 13 (45:45):
I've built a whole career on it.

Speaker 3 (45:47):
There comes the honest are you're already getting a good
stuff out of here? Chris? Thanks for coming in. I've
got to talk about the Dunedin Hospital. Why don't you
guys not find one point one billion bucks just to
get these guys what they want?

Speaker 6 (45:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 22 (45:58):
Look, I mean, look, this is a I mean it's
frustrating for people, and I get it's frustrating for us
as a new government inheriting the project. It started off
at one point two billion, it ended up going up
to one point six. We put another three hundred million
into it to one point nine, and then we've got
the latest review suggesting it's going to be approaching three
billion dollars, which would be without doubt the most expensive
hospital in the history of the Southern Hemisphere.

Speaker 13 (46:19):
So the challenge we've got.

Speaker 22 (46:21):
Is that we are very committed to building a new
hospital and then don't get me wrong, but we've got
to do it within the one point nine billion.

Speaker 13 (46:26):
Dollar fiscal envelope.

Speaker 22 (46:27):
Otherwise that means that we can't do from Taurong, you know, Palmerstan,
North Nelson, other regional hospitals we were going to have
to deal with.

Speaker 3 (46:35):
Problem is it the election? You guys had a crack
at the Labor Party for dicking around on this and
you yeah.

Speaker 13 (46:40):
Well it took six years and did nothing right.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
So I mean, aren't you in the same position.

Speaker 22 (46:43):
Well, we're taking advice really quickly on the two options
that we've got, which is essentially stage at the old
site or scale back at the new site.

Speaker 13 (46:51):
But we will deliver a new hospital, but we have
to do it.

Speaker 22 (46:54):
Within the one point nine billion And what we've seen
is cost creep and you know scope creep from a
Labour government where it's been or whether it's been school
buildings and now the hospital.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
How much smaller is it going to be. That'll be
up to.

Speaker 22 (47:06):
The advice that we can see. You know, Like as
I said, Shane Ready and Chris Bishop are all over it.
They've asked for urgent advice on the two options. As
I said, whether it's staged or whether it's scale back,
we have to make those choices.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
See the difficulty I think you guys have got is
that you are making some choices about what to spend
money on. And it's all kinds of other stuff. It's roads,
it's tobacco, tax cards, it's stuff for landlords. And when
it comes to something that Key Wes fundamentally care about, which.

Speaker 13 (47:30):
Is disagree, I disagree.

Speaker 22 (47:32):
And we put almost thirty billion dollars a year into health.
We put sixteen or seventeen billion dollars extra in the
most spent ever going into OL. So there's plenty of
money in health. We're not managing infrastructure projects across the country,
whether it's hospitals, whether it's schools, whether it's fairies well
at all. That's been a legacy. We've got to get
better at that, and we've got to manage the capital

(47:52):
spending that we've got. So I'm to say there's plenty
of money going in We've got, there's.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
Plenty of money, more money going but yet you can
find two billion bucks for a road in Wellington.

Speaker 22 (48:02):
Well, we've got a lot to do in terms of
building out that infrastructure.

Speaker 13 (48:06):
Hospital infrastructures are part of that.

Speaker 22 (48:08):
We've also got good money coming in, but you just
can't have a project go from one point two billion
when it started. It would have been good if it
had actually been built in the last six years, would
have been cheaper than what it would have been now.
But you can't have it heading out to three billion dollars.
And you know, even at one point nine I'll bet
one of the most successive hospitals.

Speaker 3 (48:26):
Are you sure the contract is not taking the mickey here?

Speaker 22 (48:28):
Well, that's what the review will identify, right, it's just
what options have we got?

Speaker 3 (48:32):
Are you looking into that specific?

Speaker 22 (48:33):
We're looking into all of that. And there's bigger questions
I think fundamentally around how we deliver infrastructure in government.
You know, do we think the Ministry of Education is
the best place to make decisions about school buildings? We
had four hundred and fifty school projects from memory that
were underfunded to the tune of a couple of billion dollars.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
And what are you talking about, like a Ministry of
Works or something.

Speaker 22 (48:53):
Well, just you know, is there a different way of
actually managing instruct where you got real competency, real expertise,
because in fairness, you know, running a health system, running
an each caation system is often different from managing infrastructure
and asset management.

Speaker 3 (49:03):
Do you see treasuries warning last week?

Speaker 6 (49:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 13 (49:06):
I did, Yeah, I did.

Speaker 3 (49:06):
Okay, how are you going to get us out of
the structural deficit?

Speaker 22 (49:09):
Well, I just say, we have to get out of
the structural deficit. We've been on a massive binge and
we have to have a little bit of a diet
to get the box back in order because at the
moment we're actually borrowing more than we're spending.

Speaker 3 (49:20):
You know, well, how are you going to do it?

Speaker 22 (49:21):
And we're spending more than we're getting in. So we've
got to get back to financial discipline, which is why
we just had the chat on the Denetan hospital because yeah,
you say, right, let the one point one billion go through,
but it's one point one billion there, it's two billion
on ferries, it's two billion on skill buildings. We've got
to have some financial discipline around that. We've got to
make sure that we then.

Speaker 13 (49:39):
Set up for growth. That's what we're focused.

Speaker 22 (49:41):
On right now, because we've got spending sort of getting
gripped up.

Speaker 13 (49:45):
We'll continue to do that daily practice. That's hard work
going forward.

Speaker 22 (49:48):
We know we've got some limited allowances, but we've got
to question the spends that we've already got going on
and make sure they're getting returns. We've got inflation coming down,
we've got interest rates coming down, we've got business confidence rising.
But we need to see you know, the economy grow.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
But you're gonna have to cut as well, aren't you.
And I mean Dominic Stevens was saying last week that
the level of cuts that you will have to do
are unprecedented in New Zealand history.

Speaker 22 (50:08):
Yeah, but possible. We can do a lot more with less,
you know. And as we've seen, there's been a lot
of dumb and wasteful spending go on across the system
for a number of for the last six years.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Are we going to get another of all budgets type scenario? Potentially?

Speaker 22 (50:21):
So you've seen our approach, which is that you know,
we know we've got to deliver a surplus. We know
it'll be ten years I think by the time we
get it back into books, and we know we've got
to get the books in order. You cannot, whether you're
a family or ten years from now, no, ten years.
It'll be ten years that we would have had a
deficit before we get there. But you know, we're doing
it in a really sensible, balanced kind of way, and
so we're not throwing the country into hard austerity. What

(50:44):
we're doing as balancing as you've seen, tax relief for
lower middle income workers. Yes, reprioritize twenty three billion of
savings within government spending.

Speaker 13 (50:53):
Get it out of the bureaucracy, get it.

Speaker 22 (50:54):
To the frontline services. So we're working through in a
very balanced, sort of considered kind of way. But the point,
if you're a family with a budget, you can't keep
spending more than you earn. If you're a business, you
can't do the same. And government's having to do the
same thing.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
Hey, are you surprised by the level of resistance to
sending the public servants back to work?

Speaker 13 (51:13):
Well, no, not really, but you were expecting this, Yeah, yeah,
I mean I get it.

Speaker 22 (51:18):
People may not like it, but the point is that's
what's going to happen. We want people back in the office.
We want a very effective public service. We want it
firing on all cylinders, whether you lead large corporates or
whether you lead large government employees. The reality is you
can maintain a culture for a period of time virtually,
but you need people in the office.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
When are you going to give me my minimum days?
They have to be back.

Speaker 22 (51:38):
This's what I want, Well, we want the starting point
needs to be you're in the office, and then if
you have formal arrangements that's formally agreed.

Speaker 13 (51:44):
It's not an entitle So are you.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Saying to me right now, it's five days in the
office unless you've got some permission not to be there. Yep, correct,
So it's a minimum of five.

Speaker 22 (51:52):
Well, it's a starting you know, we want everyone in
the office. That's the startup. It's not an entitlement that
you just get to work from home.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
This is great, Chris.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Why didn't you just say this on the day five
days in the office?

Speaker 22 (52:03):
There you go, Well, no, we said, we said we
want people in the office, and if you want to
make alternative arrangements, you've got to do that in a
formal way. But the point we're trying to make here
is that we want, you know, the public service. We've
got some great public servants, but we've got a lot
that we've got to get sorted.

Speaker 13 (52:17):
In this country.

Speaker 22 (52:18):
And therefore, if that you know, and here's the research
I mean, and the evidence I've seen is that young people,
for example, who are working from home are not getting
coaching or feedback or development opportunities as a result.

Speaker 13 (52:29):
When you go look at career.

Speaker 22 (52:30):
Progression of those that work in the office versus those
that work from home, you know, there's all those sort
of benefits. Better communication. A lot of the problems we've
got our cross ministries. You know, we're dealing with people
who are stuck in emergency housing, but school attendance issues
with you know that that's the same cohort. We need
a cross government response to those sorts of issues. So
I'm just saying, look, you've got to come back to

(52:51):
the office. That's where we are. That's not inconsistent with
what other governments and leaders doing. And let's get into it.

Speaker 3 (52:58):
You moved into Premier House yet done on the weekend. Hold, well,
god be honest, I mean it's drafty and ancient.

Speaker 22 (53:06):
Well it's we finally managed to get new paint, new
curtains and new carpet.

Speaker 13 (53:11):
That's what the work has been over the last six.

Speaker 22 (53:12):
Months in part of the house, which is it was
last time when Jim Bolger was there in nineteen ninety. Yes,
so the carpet had been stretched I think seven times,
pretty third thread beer. But we managed to get that approved,
to get that spin.

Speaker 3 (53:23):
And are you cold?

Speaker 13 (53:27):
I've got a nice jumper. It's all good.

Speaker 3 (53:30):
Are you cranking the heat all night?

Speaker 22 (53:33):
I've got a good jumper, you know, Jesus, it's good.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
It's get some silicon around those windows. I had a
bit of a working.

Speaker 22 (53:43):
Bee on the weekend and sot of got some of
the tools out and carry on.

Speaker 13 (53:46):
Sort of things things out.

Speaker 22 (53:47):
But look, it's it's a privileged to be Prominis of
New Zealand and it's a privilege to live in I.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
Love that you're putting a positive spin on this. It
is so utterly transparent what you're doing right now. How
do you feel about the fact that we're obsessed with
how much money you've made on your regal property.

Speaker 22 (54:00):
In Yeah, Look, I mean I don't know how to
explain it any other way, which is you know, I came.

Speaker 13 (54:04):
To politics four years ago.

Speaker 22 (54:06):
I bought an apartment in October twenty twenty when the
election was twenty twenty. I then became Prime Minister. I
was normally my promises would sell their apartment move into
premier house. I couldn't because there was basic maintenance needs
to be done, as I said, paint, curtain's carpet some
of it, and that's been done. Now I'm moving in
and I don't need the apartment, so I'm selling it.
So that's what John Key did when he became Prime Minister.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
I feel about the fact that it was all over
the TV news last night. I haven't met well.

Speaker 22 (54:32):
I've come to expect that, you know, which is is
a bit what I can't well, I can't. I mean
the bottom lines I said right from the beginning of
my first day in politics. You know, yep, I'm a
kid who's parents at school sixteen, I went to university,
did well in the world, successful, get it right, and
I've chosen to come to politics because I want to
add back to New Zealand. So that's my reason for it.
But if we're going to criticize people for being successful,

(54:53):
and you know, let's be clear, you know, I'm wealthy,
I'm sorted.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Have you seen what just Cinda's doing? Chris, after this,
you can you ca on the speaking circuit. No, Look,
you can make as much in one gig speaking as
you do on your property like.

Speaker 13 (55:06):
That won't be my focus. There's a lot of other
things to do politics.

Speaker 22 (55:09):
But right now I am absolutely determined. We have a
great future. We've got a great potential on this joint.
Now we just got to get it rid.

Speaker 3 (55:15):
We've got a structural deficit to fix.

Speaker 17 (55:16):
First.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Hey, Chris, thank you very much, really appreciate your time.
That's Chris lux and the Prime Minister. It's thirteen away from.

Speaker 1 (55:20):
It the My Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
powered by News Talks.

Speaker 3 (55:27):
A'd be ten to eight morning here. Can you ask
the Prime Minister if you put wall carpet? And we did,
Actually we did it afterwards and can confirm it was
wall carpet. So there you go. Nothing to be ashamed about.

Speaker 19 (55:38):
There.

Speaker 3 (55:39):
He's gone flashesn't he. They're probably a story on one
News about how much money they spends on the carpet.
Either what's more important, hospitals or tax relief for landlord
ffs Now listen, I'm on that subject and this is
what I was trying to get to with Chris Luxen.
The media are still going hard on Casey Costello, one
of the ministers, for giving tax breaks to tobacco companies,
and basically the tax break for this thing's called heated

(56:02):
tobacco products, which is try just another way. It's like
an alternative to vaping. To get the people off the cities.
And she gave a fifty percent tax break to this
particular product. There is only one company that has this
product in the country, it is Philip Morris. So they
got a tax break of pretty much two hundred and
sixteen million dollars. There's your problem with decisions that you're making, right,
So you haven't got enough money for hospital, but you've
got enough money for that and landlords and so on,

(56:23):
and people don't like the look of that. Hither. I'm
a building contractor in Duned, and I understand the reasoning
behind the government putting a hold on the hospital, but
surely the responsibility actually sits back on the designers. We
deal with the stuff all the time. They have no
ability to design within a budget, and it becomes an
ego trip to create a landmark. Make the designers responsible,
and on the public servants. Heather. Since two thousand, the

(56:45):
population has increased from four to five million, but the
public servants have doubled return to that level and we
will be fine on that. Some good news for you.
Some public servants are so unhappy about being sent back
to the office that they are in fact threatening to quit,
in which case we may well find that there is
a level of attrition that just happens all by itself.
He's away from.

Speaker 1 (57:04):
Mate, Heather duz Ellen on them My costing Breakfast with
the Jaguar f Base News talks edb.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
Five away from it. I said, I was going to
get to what John Key has said about the US election.
So he did an interview with stuff and said before
Biden pulled out, he was about ninety eight percent sure
that Trump would win. But now Kamala Harris has dramatically
changed the game. So what's his pick.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
I think it's fifty five forty five.

Speaker 23 (57:28):
He wins it. It's not straightforward because it is so
hard like all of those swing states seem to be
in the margin. Nevera, we've still got quite a lot
of days to go. But nevertheless, anyway, I think it'll
it'll be too close to.

Speaker 4 (57:40):
Call for quite a while.

Speaker 23 (57:41):
But if Donald Trump can wrestle the debate back onto
the economy, I think he wins. I think if it's
on all these other issues he potentially loses, but I've
still got them. I've still got him ahead in my
in my brain.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
Yeah, interesting that he's still got Trump ahead. On the economy,
I think he's bang on, and I've got some information.
There's a pole a policy thing that's been done, a
poll on Karmala's economic policy, and I'll run you through
in the next hour. But then the question, of course is, yeah, okay,
he might win, but should he win, who's better for
New Zealand.

Speaker 23 (58:10):
I think he's better for the economy. But the only
thing I'd say is that, you know, I spent a
lot of time with Barack Obama obviously to try and
get TPP across the line than we did. And the
very first thing that Donald Trump did was rip up
the free trade agreement between New.

Speaker 14 (58:24):
Zealand and basically America.

Speaker 23 (58:26):
So from that perspective, you know, I don't know how
great you know, necessarily that is Donald Trump is driving
very much in America first in America, more isolationist kind
of view.

Speaker 4 (58:37):
Actually it's quite different.

Speaker 23 (58:39):
Actually, it's a very different foreign policy than we've ever seen.
So that probably doesn't help New Zealand as much. But
on balance, I think he's probably better for the economy.

Speaker 3 (58:47):
Yeah, so he's slightly better for the economy. But they're
probably both as bad as each other because neither of
them are, you know, Like I don't know. It's hardly
as if Karmla's going to get in there and be
like free trade. Let's go for it, guys. Anyway, I
will run you through the Karmala how I pol you
might be interested in that. Mitch James is going to
be with us next on why the rumor that he
is quitting music after all these years? News TALKSB.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
The Breakfast Show, You Can Trust, Heather Duper c Allen
on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a Vita, Retirement, Communities,
Life Your Way, News Dogs Head B you.

Speaker 4 (59:28):
Had a life you even thought of me?

Speaker 3 (59:35):
You'll know the name Mix James. For eleven years, he's
been releasing music. He's been touring the world because of it.
He's open for Callum Scott, supported Ed Sheer and toured
with six sixty years Well, put out a bunch of albums.
He's got a new single out, he's got a new
EP coming out next month, and he is in studio
with us right now. Mitch, Hello, Hello, Heather, thanks for
having me, Thank you for coming in. I'm sorry. I
apologize you before. I'm sorry. I'm not your your bromance mate.

Speaker 18 (59:58):
Yeah, oh my, have a great little bromance going. But
this is this is a great second price.

Speaker 3 (01:00:03):
Yeah, oh, thank you. It's very charming. If you I
saw you out there, you were asking after him. Was
it disappointing.

Speaker 18 (01:00:09):
It's not disappointing. I was very well aware ahead of
time that I was with you here. But if Mike,
if you're listening, I miss your brother.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
I just listened to you go, hey, what's this about
you giving up music?

Speaker 18 (01:00:24):
So, yeah, I've been obviously, as you alluded to, I've
been in the industry for a long time, and as
you as you were in the industry for so long,
and especially the journey that I've taken. There's just it's
crazy and at times evil industry, and there's there's a
lot of pitfalls, and you know, I made some gambles
in my career which ended up backfiring sort of behind

(01:00:47):
the scenes, and yeah, it just it just became an
environment for me that it was too challenging to try
and overcome the ceilings that have put been put in place.
By people that were either on my team or formally
on my team in the industry and politics and all
of that. And I've just I've got this music coming
out and now that I believe as my most complete,

(01:01:11):
most mature, advanced work as a songwriter and an artist,
and coupled with the fact that this industry had sort of,
you know, turned against me in a lot of ways,
I just thought, you know, I'm sick of this and
I just want to hang my hat on something that
I can look back on in twenty years time and
go like, this is my finest work and something that

(01:01:33):
I can be very proud of. And so it's a
bit of sweet feeling because you know, in a lot
of ways, I did feel like I had a lot
more to give, but like I said, you know, I
was finding myself budding into a lot of ceilings that
have been put in place that we're out of my control,
and I just, yeah, I kind of had enough, I.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
Guess going out on a high type thing exactly.

Speaker 18 (01:01:52):
Yeah. And you know, I've been so grateful to the
people who have supported me and you know, given me
such amazing experience as touring the world and you know,
listening to my music, making memories with their friends and
all of this. It's been so special that I just
wanted to end on a somewhat positive note.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
What do you think backfired for you?

Speaker 18 (01:02:11):
There was definitely a few things that I look at
behind the scenes where to put it very in a
long story short where I had shot for the stars
and and and in a lot of ways that passed
off a lot of people who were already on my team.
And then you know, a few things backfired behind the scenes,

(01:02:33):
and it resulted in a lot of burnt bridges, if
you will. And then you know, I sort of found myself.
It was very challenging to then break through that ceiling
because it's it's such a network game music and once, yeah,
once that network has sort of been de established in

(01:02:53):
a few ways that were I became the problematic person
to work with, even though in my eyes a lot
of this was you know, I just wanted to bring
New Zealand on my back on the world stage. And yeah,
a lot of people back in New Zealand didn't appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
What are you going to do? I can't reveal all
yet hither you've already got plans?

Speaker 18 (01:03:14):
Yeah, I've got plans. I guess what I can say
is that it's something in the media space and in
the sports space that I've been working.

Speaker 3 (01:03:22):
It's got anything to do with the league slightly.

Speaker 4 (01:03:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I mean the giveaway was the fact that you posted
that on Insta that you were going to leave in
the year to one New Zealand Warriors jersey on them.

Speaker 17 (01:03:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:03:33):
Yeah, Well, I mean, anyone that knows me knows that
I'm probably in the in the top three New Zealand
Warriors fans worldwide behind you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, most of
my cost ging, he knows, but we Yeah, I'm probably
number three behind Sir Peter Leach and the Mount Smart

(01:03:54):
Joker as the as the Warriors mascot fans. But yeah,
it's it's something in the sports space that I've arguably
wanted to be in that space longer than music, and
it's something that no one can take away from me,
if you know what I mean. Kind of like I
felt like what happened in music, and yeah, I felt
like I just had so much more to give in music,

(01:04:15):
but I was just you know, budding the ceiling and
it was very frustrating, and you know, I was no
longer getting playlisted or I was no longer you know,
getting getting the same love. I mean, New Zealand radio
has been amazing to me, but every other sort of
aspect of that recording industry sort of sort of turned
on me. So I'm looking at this space and going,

(01:04:35):
this is something that only I can ruin for myself.
So it's it's an exciting time for me. And yeah,
I guess the Warriors is something part of it, but
it's Yeah, it's a more broad sort of thing that
I'm I'm really excited about and to announce in due
time and hopefully get people excited about.

Speaker 3 (01:04:54):
I suppose it's not going to be a bad thing
to have a steady income, is it. Yeah, yeah, that's
the thing about me, given given how much you end
on your perfumes, I found out, Ah, yes, yes, what
are you wearing today? I'm raring crewed a role for
Heather and I can see that that retails at Smith
and Coey's for five hundred and twenty two.

Speaker 18 (01:05:09):
See, everyone listening might think hearing that that I'm some
super rich musician leaving out on top, but I actually
probably spent four years worth of income on that on
that perfew.

Speaker 3 (01:05:22):
It does smell good. This is why we know about it,
because you basically bring the scent in with its delicious Hey,
I was I was telling you earlier. I was watching
the video that you did for your mum. Yes, as
a mum man, I'll tell you what, like I thought, geez,
your mum must be proud of you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 18 (01:05:38):
Mom doesn't like to use the word proud, she always
says that, but yeah, it was a very special moment
that that and Duneda. They live in central Otago, and
so I got mum to come down to Dunedin and
the Duned and Symphony Orchestra. I hadn't even met any
of them before, and they got given some music and

(01:05:59):
I showed up about fifteen minutes before mum. We had
a couple runs through and yeah, I wrote the song
for a called Mamma and Me, which is basically an
ode to my mum. We we've had a very interesting journey,
like I'm sure many mothers and sons and daughters out there,
But it basically starts off about you know, when I
was born, and then goes into me being a little

(01:06:20):
rascal growing up and then as a man in the
final verse, you know, sort of encompassing that whole journey
and realizing that there's no mother love like a mother's
love and.

Speaker 3 (01:06:30):
Oh, you're going to make me cry. Yeah, it is.
It's an incredible that we put into you. Guys. Match
is the gate and you don't grate.

Speaker 18 (01:06:41):
Absolutely so grateful. I think you don't really realize how
how special that connection is until you know, you get
some perspective on your own life and it's yeah, I was.
I was a little rascal and so you know, to
come come full circle as a man and realize, you know,
my mom's been on her own journey and she's been sick,

(01:07:03):
and she's an incredible woman for anyone who knows her,
and so yeah, to come full circle with that journey,
I felt like it was my duty as a son
to write a song about her as an artist, and yeah,
to get the to surprise her with the Symphony orchestra
was it was something I'll remember forever. And that was
actually the second take because I started crying during the

(01:07:25):
first time.

Speaker 3 (01:07:26):
We're all softies. Okay, Mitch, We'll take a break and
we come back. We'll hear your new single A sounds
good quarter past the.

Speaker 1 (01:07:32):
Mic asking Breakfast full Show, podcast on iHeartRadio, car it
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Speaker 4 (01:07:37):
Talks It Beat.

Speaker 3 (01:07:37):
All right, we've got Mitch James with us. Mitch, this
is your new single. What's it called?

Speaker 18 (01:07:41):
A song's called Beautiful Stranger? And yeah, like we were
saying before, it's my last last single at least for now.
So yeah, it's very excited to see how people enjoy it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Okay, take it away?

Speaker 17 (01:07:57):
How do we find ourselves? Talking for hours? But it
felt like it is like someone answered my prayers. I've
known you forever, my dear lasting.

Speaker 18 (01:08:14):
Our.

Speaker 17 (01:08:17):
Mounting the walls and some mold.

Speaker 3 (01:08:20):
Can we stay in this moment?

Speaker 17 (01:08:23):
Kiss?

Speaker 21 (01:08:24):
I don't know you, put all too share my secrets,
open up.

Speaker 17 (01:08:31):
To you, take the pieces of.

Speaker 21 (01:08:35):
My heart here in the dark. I've always known you,
beautiful stranger. I've always known you, beautiful full stranger.

Speaker 17 (01:08:58):
Felt like come not to oh fame, scared up to that,
but I know a monkey. It's like your eyes already
know my name. I don't think I'll lead it be
the same. It feels like we're flowing and a mondy

(01:09:18):
you spelling me and know.

Speaker 21 (01:09:21):
Can we stay in this moment because I don't know
you but don't want to share my secrets open out
to you take the pieces of mydy in the dark.
I've always known you, Judith for Stranger, have always known you,

(01:09:53):
Utith for Stranger, rab as own, I don't know you,

(01:10:18):
but on so shall I seek, oh been not to
take the pieces of.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
MyD here in.

Speaker 21 (01:10:31):
I always known you?

Speaker 3 (01:10:36):
Oh how good was that? That is going out on
a high, isn't it? That is?

Speaker 18 (01:10:39):
That is thank you for having me here. They appreciate it.

Speaker 3 (01:10:41):
Mitch. Thank you for coming in, and next time you
can come in and talk Rugby League with michaelsta cannot.

Speaker 4 (01:10:46):
Wait, cannot wait.

Speaker 17 (01:10:48):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 3 (01:10:49):
Best of like the single and the album coming out.
But that's mits James. It's a twenty one either.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Doule Ellen on the mic asking Breakfast with Bailey's real
estate news talks in they.

Speaker 3 (01:11:01):
A twenty four. Apparently, Mitch's mum, Viv organizes the Drive
for Life at Hampton Down's racetrack for those in payloadive care.

Speaker 16 (01:11:07):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Something interesting you didn't know before. Now I was going
to tell you about Karmala Harris. She's talking about switching
tack from the music industry to Karmala Harris. But it
is going back to what we were talking about before
Karmala Harris's economic policy. Now John Key was kind of
touched on something. This is one of Karmala Harris's biggest
problems is that she's unconvincing on the economy. But The

(01:11:29):
Guardian is running an exclusive today that indicates that Karmala
Harris's economic policies are actually more popular than Donald Trump's
in a blind test, and I think that's the important
bit and we'll come back to it. So basically, what
they did so I got a whole bunch of Americans
into a room or whatever, gave them twelve policy proposals.

(01:11:50):
Six were from Harris's campaign, six were from Trump's, all
of them on the economy, and they're all anonymised. So
the people who were part of this participating in the
study didn't know whose policies were. I mean, frankly, you
could probably guess if you had to look at it
hard enough, but anyway, they didn't know it was anonymised.
The most popular proposal was a federal ban on price

(01:12:10):
gouging of food and groceries. Forty four percent of people
like that. That's a Harris policy. Then number two was
Trump's policy of eliminating taxes on social Security benefits forty
two percent of people like that. But that's the only
one that to Trump gets into the top five. Remaining
three are all Harris ones expanding the child tax credit

(01:12:30):
for middle and low income families forty three percent like it,
tax breaks for new small businesses forty three percent like it,
and then also increasing the tax rate on long term
capital gains for those earning over a million dollars. What
did I say, if you look hard enough, you could
pick who it came from. So for twenty nine percent
of people like that, So she gets it's not that
popular to make the top five anyway. Point is only

(01:12:52):
works in a blind test, right, because you can't. You
just can't take it out of the mix that people
seem to trust the more on the economy and not
trust the left as much on the economy. So the
minute you put Karmela's name back in there, unfortunately it
probably falls away again. Whether she can actually sustain the
interest in her and the kind of confidence in her
tax policies, I doubt very much.

Speaker 24 (01:13:14):
It probably doesn't have that. The first time she brought
up the price gouging, she pronounced it gauging as well, which.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
Shows an Internet. Yeah, intimate level of understanding on that
actually price gouging, price gauging, who knows, I don't really know.
I got I got to study for you. I got
to That's that didn't feel like enough of a BS
study to verbakic decisions or another BS study for you
later on. This one's on EUVS. Here's a question. I'll
ask you this now. Are you more likely to date

(01:13:41):
someone because they drive an electric vehicle?

Speaker 18 (01:13:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:13:45):
Now, I'll give you a taste of what's coming next.
But the news next news talks it'd be and then
Rod Liddle in the UK for us.

Speaker 6 (01:13:57):
So much.

Speaker 4 (01:14:00):
Whole cannuty take the pieces in dark as.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
Big news fold opinions Heather due to see Allen on
the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the Jaguar f pace cut
from a different cloth.

Speaker 4 (01:14:21):
News togs eDV listen.

Speaker 3 (01:14:23):
News that's just dropped into our inboxes is that the
Commerce Commission has declined clearance for the proposed food Stuff's merger.
You'll be aware of this right. This is food Stuff's
North Island food Stuff South Island asking for permission to
be able to just create one big food Stuffs and
their argument from food Stuff's perspective was that back off
of stuff would be able to be coordinated, right, and
so you'd cut down a lot of costs there, therefore

(01:14:45):
making groceries cheaper for everybody, because if they're not having
to funnel all that money into you know, pricing and
people and all that kind of carry on and buying,
you know, like all that admin stuff, then they could
charge you less. But the Commerce Commission says they're not
satisfied that the proposed merger would have the effect of
substantially lessening competition in multiple acquisition and retail markets. They
say they're worried the proposed merger would reduce the number

(01:15:07):
of major buyers of grocery products in this country from
three to two, which essentially, which would be what it
is at the moment. You've got food Stuffs northund food
Stuff South, Ould and Woollies, and now you just have
one food Stuffs and one Woolies, which would mean that
the number of buyers for many suppliers to supply their
products too would go down. The merged entity would likely
be able to extract lower prices from suppliers supplies already

(01:15:29):
stretched enough at the moment, squeezed by these guys. The
proposed merger increases the risk of coordination between the merged
entity and Woolworths, and they're worried it could make price
coordination between the merged entity and Woolworth's more likely complete
or sustainable. Absolutely will be devastating news to food stuff
because they've put a lot of time and effort into
this and I'm sure that Drive this afternoon will be

(01:15:50):
all over this for you and bring you the latest
on It's twenty one away from.

Speaker 8 (01:15:53):
Nine International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business and whether.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
There was Rod Little UK correspondent, A Rod, how are
you doing for that?

Speaker 7 (01:16:05):
How are you very well?

Speaker 18 (01:16:06):
Thank?

Speaker 11 (01:16:06):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
What's the letters with the Tory leadership right? How are
we tracking?

Speaker 7 (01:16:11):
Four left in it? And it's been the Tory conference
this week so they've had the chance to address the
faithful Conservative Party members and today it was Tom Tuganhat
who is reckoned to be one of the outsiders, I
guess of the four remaining, and Kemmy Badanock, who is
one of the favorites. The general thinking is that this

(01:16:32):
would come down to a final between Kemmy Badanock from
the right, and Robert Jenerick or Robert Generick as his
enemies call him, who is from the kind of center left.
But it's looking more and more now as if the
Conservative MPs will try to get rid of Badanock before

(01:16:56):
it even gets to a final, because if he did
get to a final, Kerry Badanough would on the votes
of the members of the party rather than just the MPs.
So these days people are reckoning. You know, probably Robert Jenrick,
probably James Cleverly will be the two in the final.
We'll see how much.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Damage do you think Benlocke's maternity leave comments have done
to her?

Speaker 7 (01:17:21):
It will have done a bit, no question about that,
because Bado have quite a constituency amongst amongst women Tory
activists and indeed some female Tory MPs, and that won't
have helped her one little bit. But in fairness to her,
it does put a It is bang on the sort

(01:17:43):
of thing she would say and would think. You know,
if bad A not a hold of the Conservative Party,
you would kind of be looking at the Tories as
being one of those European hard to right parties, the
kind of party which is just really Astra, which is
doing very well in Germany, which has the government in Italy.

(01:18:04):
You know, that's the kind of model that bad Enough
is looking at. The rest of them are far more
like you know, European Christian Democrats.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Yeah, I see. James Cleverly has come out as the
favorite for the Tory leadership amongst the British public. Why
would that be?

Speaker 7 (01:18:21):
I don't know his he seems to bear his name,
seems to be a flagrant uh rewriting of the trade
descriptive descriptions. Actually is not not not not the sharpest
tool in the book a box. He's not bad Cleverly.
He's quite personable, and he did quite well for a

(01:18:43):
while as a as a as a defense minister, and
was quite liked for that. But you know that there
doesn't seem to be anything new that Cleverly would bring
to the role in the way that a liberal such
as Tom Tugan outward or someone from the right key
an awkward. I think if it got to a final
between Cleverly and Robert Schenerick, as everyone calls him, then

(01:19:10):
I think the odds are that James Cluby will probably went.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
Isn't this this is this is the age old thing
that faces a political party like this, Do you appeal
to your voting base with somebody like Kimmy Bednocke, or
do you appeal to the wider public with somebody like Yeah.

Speaker 7 (01:19:27):
No nobody. That's exactly it. And of course the Tories
have this extraordinarily complex mechanism for choosing their leader, which
ensures that whoever they talk is the worst possible one
for the voters. It's always been like that. There's labyridine,
series of knockout steps, and then it comes down to

(01:19:48):
the activist deciding in the end. I mean, you're quite right.
And I think it's also the case that any party
which has been in power for a long period of
channel and is then really unceremoniously kicked out of power,
they tend to have two or three leaders before they're
anywhere near back to looking at gaining power seriously in

(01:20:11):
the country. That was the case for the Tourist in
ninety seven, and it was the case for the Labor
Party in seventy nine.

Speaker 3 (01:20:18):
Yeah, they're in a real pickle, aren't they.

Speaker 4 (01:20:20):
Rod.

Speaker 3 (01:20:20):
It's good to talk to you, mate, really appreciate look
after yourself. It's Rod Little UK correspondent. We've got an
unexpected problem that's been caused by melting glaciers. Apparently Italy
and Switzerland have to now redraw part of the border
of the Alps. This has been going on for a
little while now, but it seems to be stuck with Italy.
So what's gone on is that part of the area

(01:20:41):
affected is just beneath the matter Horn. And what's going
on is that these glaciers ridgelines have been determining where
the border is. But now the glaciers are melting climate
change obviously, and as they melt, the border essentially moves,
and you can't just have the border randomly moving way
into someone's country or way into the other direction, right,
So they have to redraw the border in a way

(01:21:02):
that kind of suits them, that probably reflects what was
going on historically. So they've been talking about it for
a few years. Last year, around about May, they had
a draft agreement on where the border would sit. It's
been just signed by Switzerland and now we're waiting for Italy.
We're waiting for Italy to decide if they like the
way that the border has been has been drawn. Better

(01:21:23):
not take too long, because the right things are going,
they may have to redraw it again soon, and by
the time Italy has agreed, who knows we're back.

Speaker 24 (01:21:30):
I often getmo with this sort of thing, because you know,
we don't have them, do we. We just got that
big ocean on the on the edge of our bits.

Speaker 3 (01:21:38):
Right, are you complaining that we don't have border disputes.

Speaker 4 (01:21:43):
Me?

Speaker 24 (01:21:43):
Perhaps it's not the best time to bring that up.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
Yeah, well, I mean, you know, it does make things
a little bit more interesting, and it'd be more interesting
to be talking about border disputes, I suppose, than the
fact that the Prime Minister has made two hundred thousand
and on his apartment, for example.

Speaker 24 (01:21:54):
I just like the idea of being able to stand
somewhere and go, oh, I'm in Switzerland, I'm in Italy,
I'm in Switzerland.

Speaker 3 (01:22:00):
We had like a true island dwell a quarter two
the Mike.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
That there's a two we ad right there. Supermarkets make
groceries cheaper year right Actually, speaking of which, the two
we ads are coming back. The billboards are coming back.
The guys who are behind the two E billboard acts
dB Breweries reckons we've got far too serious in this
country and they need to bring a bit of human back,
And I'm all up for it. But I think, I think,
I think we can all agree times have changed since

(01:22:30):
they last were doing them all but all the way
back about what twenty fourteen or something like that. There's
a whole lot of things off limits. So we'll see
how they go with that, but I am looking forward
to it. Okay, here's your BS study of the day
that I was telling you about before. Apparently if you
drive an electric vehicle, you are more likely to get dates.
This is a survey that's been published by Ford and

(01:22:51):
they reckon. They're trying to paint it as being credible
because they've got fourteen hundred motorists who participated in countries
from New Zealand to Australia, to Saudi Arabia, to Philippines,
to South Africa, to South Korea, Thailand, Vietnam, United Arab Emirates,
so you've got a whole lot in the absolutely everybody's participated.
Almost half of the respondents said they're more likely to

(01:23:12):
date someone if they own an electric vehicle. Now, they
don't give reasons why but you probably jump to your
own conclusions here. Maybe these people, I don't know, people
in Saudi Arabia are really keen on people who are
environmentally conscious, you know what I mean. They're like, don't
like those people burning oil. I want an electric vehicle
in my house. And maybe they also, you know, care
a bit like if you're driving an electric vehicle, it

(01:23:34):
shows that you're financially frugal, you're thinking about your cash.
On the flip side, it may show that you've got
enough money to spend on the latest gadget. Who knows
it could be any one of those things. I obviously
call BS on that immediately, because there's nothing this is
it from a lady's perspective. Obviously, I'm speaking as a woman,
the only way that I can speak. There's nothing sexy
about an electric vehicle. You'd look emasculated. I'm just gonna

(01:23:56):
say that this is a deeply unpopular thing to say,
because I'm supposed to be like rooting for electric vehicles
because the future and stuff. You don't look like a man,
You look like your mum's told you what to buy
and now you're worried about you know, I don't buy
a ute now you're talking about dates.

Speaker 24 (01:24:11):
Because you don't hang on. So the whole thing about
what's he commensating for? Is he stupid V eight, stupid
exhaust and the stupid loud noises?

Speaker 3 (01:24:24):
Is this is what your dating experience was like that
you were second get like playing four four G chess
four D chess on your partner, Like, what's going on here?
How do I under?

Speaker 24 (01:24:34):
How do I what are you saying that? I don't
look my twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:24:39):
Sam could have warned me that you've got an electric
car before I went on that particular.

Speaker 24 (01:24:43):
No, I don't have It's not electric. It's just small.

Speaker 3 (01:24:47):
I don't even know what. Yeah, okay, well I'm sorry
Glenn that no look, I mean look is it is it?
Is it? Is it a beautiful car? It's red? Yeah? No,
I love it? No I date you? Yeah, okay. Digging
that hole very quickly and trying to get out of it.
Also also moving swiftly along to don't buy an electric
vehicle if you want dates, buy a ute. To the end,
eighty percent of people are worried about the maintenance costs

(01:25:08):
attached to EV's Seventy three percent are worried about range
anxiety and yet apparently sixty six percent of people are
thinking about buying an EV so corbas on that. Don't
worry about it, just carry on as you were by
you ute have a good time, nine away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Heather dupas Allen on the My Costing break lift with
al Vida Retirement, Communities and News TOG.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Said, b hither you're laughing. Nothing says that you're compensating
for something like a city boy with a two wheel
drive ute that's from Pascal. Maybe the city boy's got
lots of car the kids and he's got to check
all the bikes in the back, because that would be
quite a convenient way of getting the kids around the town,
wouldn't it with the ute tray? Heather? How convenient for
that car study to come out when they've got a
glut in the inventory of EV's at Ford and they

(01:25:48):
can't sell them fast enough, which just generally across the thing.
You're probably right about that, Heather. Electric vehicles and dating
less likely, thank you, especially in Auckland. Can I tell
you what? I'll tell you what. Actually I've been thinking
why I was like, why am I feeling so passionately
about hypothetically being a married woman never dating somebody who
drives an electric vehicle. And I think it's the too
much concerned thing, Like if you're that concerned about either

(01:26:09):
your money or your appearances all the climate, I feel
like you're coming with it like a preloaded amount of anxiety.
And I'm bringing a lot of that to the relationship already,
so I probably don't need that. So I think that
ultimately is the problem right there, Like let the ladies
do the anxiety, Let the dudes just do the free thinking,
do you know what I mean? Five away from.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
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every day now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Obviously, Chris Kostofferson, sad News passed away yesterday country music
superstarf if you don't know who he is, Hollywood icon,
a bit of a hot bay back in the day
eighty eight years old. Tributes have been flowing from across
the world because he was so iconic, including this very
famous Hollywood actor who's played one of Christofferson's songs while
surrounded by goats to indicate indicate that Chris Christofferson obviously

(01:26:58):
is a goat. Have a little from Yeah, that's not
the that's not the percussion being out that's just a goat.
Somebody kind of talked to the goats beforehand.

Speaker 25 (01:27:18):
I feel like the gats add to it more when
you can see them rather than when you're just listening
to them, Because when.

Speaker 3 (01:27:24):
You're just listening to that irritating like a toddler, aren't
they What are they doing? If you can see them, Glenn.

Speaker 25 (01:27:29):
They're quite interested in just what he's doing instead of
looking quite close but not playing the guitar.

Speaker 3 (01:27:37):
He, by the way, is Kevin Bacon, who actually isn't
bad at all. And fun fact, because I had assumed
that Chris Christofferson was a made up name, like he'd
obviously been born something really.

Speaker 4 (01:27:52):
One of the greatest, there we go.

Speaker 3 (01:27:54):
Just let Kevin sign off the end of the song.
I just assumed that he'd been born with a boring
name like Dave Small or something like that, and then
they'd gone, that's dull. I'll become Chris Christofferson and sort
of do the like you know, repetitive thing that sometimes happens. No,
his parents called him Christopher Christofferson in a in a
joke to the universe, and it's look at how well
it did him. So there you go. If like me,

(01:28:16):
you're wondering what on earth to name your baby, just
go for a little rhyming thing there, I suppose. Anyway,
it's probably not good advice to leave you worth on
a Tuesday and just throw that right out there. Hold
onto the evy advice. Forget about the name. Could you
allen allen.

Speaker 15 (01:28:33):
It?

Speaker 3 (01:28:33):
Come on, there are worse considerations currently, to be honest,
So yeah, it's not bad. I'll put that right in
the listen put it. Put it up there. See how
it goes, works for it works for boy or girl
does who knows? Enjoy your day, See you tomorrow new
Still Zebbie.

Speaker 1 (01:29:01):
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