October 9, 2024 • 6 mins
A new frontrunner has emerged in the race for the Tory leadership.
James Cleverly has shot to the top after the latest vote, taking 39 of the 120 votes.
Kemi Badenoch and Robert Jenrick are battling for a spot in the final two, taking 29 and 30 votes respectively, and Tom Tugendhat fell short at only 20 votes.
UK Correspondent Rod Liddle told Mike Hosking that Badenoch is almost certain to become the next leader of the Conservative Party.
He said that her win would be bad news for Starmer, as of all the candidates lined up to potentially replace Rishi Sunak, she is the one who could cause the most damage at the dispatch box.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now I've been looking forward to us, Rob little not there,
and I look forward to you every time we talk. Rob.
But this morning a good morning, first of all. But
this morning, how exciting is this vote that yesterday you had?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Very exciting?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You know, you had a surprise leader, and now the
surprise leader is gone.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yes, indeed, and a bit of chicaneery has been applied
I think by people who supported Okamie Olifanto. Addiguki Badenoch,
who is almost certain to become the next leader of
the Conservative Party, a middle class girl from a middle
class Nigerian background in Southwest London, who has worked in science,
(00:42):
primarily as a computer engineer, and is regarded as being
a little bit prickly, but also very competent and is
unquestionably this is the important point, I suppose, on the
right of the party. Certainly socially, she is a social conservative,
(01:04):
as you would imagine people from a Nigerian or gun
Ayan or West African background might be. So this is
bad news firstly for Keir Starmer because of all the
candidates who were lined up possibly to replace Richie Sunaka's leader,
she is the one who will cause the most damage.
(01:24):
At the dispatch box partners with her intellect, of course,
because she's combatative and she knows her brief partly also
because once again the Conservative Party has shown that it
is capable of electing people from people of color to
positions of very very high authority in the party. That's
(01:45):
the second consecutive leader, a third if your countants trust, who,
to all intents and purposes, did look like a white
middle class lady from the Home Counties who was actually
from the planet Sark, which is in a spiral arm
of the Andromeda galaxy. So she is actually the third,
the second black leader of the party, and I suspect
(02:09):
will do very well. Now I say that she's almost
certain to become I think that when this vote goes
out to the activists and the party, she will crush
Robert Jenrick very very easily. Indeed, But one always has
to bear in mind that the Conservative Party is a
bizarre convocation of human beings, and that the surprise could
(02:34):
occur to all intensive purposes, she will be the next leader.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, So just work me through what's happen in the
last twenty four hours. So Generic leads pretty much until
the vote before yesterday, he led the whole time. So
he was the alleged hot favorite, Cleverly to the lead,
lipped into the lead yesterday, the skulduggery or whatever's gone on,
what went on for suddenly better not to be there
(02:58):
or thereabouts, but then now suddenly boomed she as the leader.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm a decent friend of someone who ran Badanock's campaign,
and I remember talking to him five or six weeks
ago and saying, my guess is that it gets to
the final two and that will be Badenoch, Badenoch versus Generic,
and Badenock wins. And he said, yes, unless she gets
(03:23):
kicked out. Well, it's down to four people, three or
four people, and that was the thing they had to
guard against. So I think what clearly happened, and this
is whether she Canery was involved, was that people who
would have voted for Badenoch in the last round transferred
their votes to Cleverly, James Cleverly, who was the kind
(03:48):
of amiable, comfortable center candidate also of course from an
ethnic minority background, right, and that they then switched them
back very very rapidly today. And so for a couple
of days, you know, we've been saying James clever has
come from nowhere. He's the man to leave the party. No,
(04:10):
he really isn't, and it never occurred to me really
that he would win.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay then, having said that, just to explain to people
who haven't followed this closely, this has all been in
the realms of the MPs. As you say, it goes
to the party members if they pervade knock. Are the
MP's and the party members in unison and universally happy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Not entirely. No, there will be a large rump of
the Conservative Party which objects to the stridency of Kenny
badenox rightish concerns, particularly on social issues, particularly on so
for example, she very much upset the apple cart earlier
(04:53):
in her campaign where she said that she didn't agree
with some of the welfare payments to women. And she
is very much you know, traditional family, traditional gender ideologies,
sexual ideology. She is very much of that trunch which
(05:14):
exists within the West African community but also exists very
very strongly within a large proportion of the Conservative community
in this country.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Being reported this morning in the Australian media that Starmer,
who I am assuming was going given the kings going
to Chogham and Samoa, was going with the King. He's
canceled a trip to Australia because the myss that he's
created for himself is so severely coountiful to be out
of the country. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah? I think that is for her. It is remarkable
that a party which has such a huge majority can
now find itself only one point ahead in the opinion polls.
And with Kirs Starmer, who's great train hitherto was that
he never succumbed to press pressure and sacks anybody and
(06:04):
gets rid of his chief of staff, is most important appointment.
He is in real trouble. And as I mentioned, I
think last week on the program to header, you know,
my own party leader gave him a ten percent chance
of leading Labor at the next election. I think that's
(06:24):
maybe especially a bit far, but I wouldn't put it
much more than thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Wow, all right, might go, well, we'll catch up next week.
I appreciate it, Rod little that reference. At one point,
he refers to as the more uncommon survey that came
out yesterday Labor on twenty nine, Conservatives twenty eight, Reform nineteen,
lib DIMSI live in the Greens on seven.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
For more from the mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
Now I've been looking forward to us, Rob little not there,
and I look forward to you every time we talk. Rob.
But this morning a good morning, first of all. But
this morning, how exciting is this vote that yesterday you had?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Very exciting?
Speaker 1 (00:11):
You know, you had a surprise leader, and now the
surprise leader is gone.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Yes, indeed, and a bit of chicaneery has been applied
I think by people who supported Okamie Olifanto. Addiguki Badenoch,
who is almost certain to become the next leader of
the Conservative Party, a middle class girl from a middle
class Nigerian background in Southwest London, who has worked in science,
(00:42):
primarily as a computer engineer, and is regarded as being
a little bit prickly, but also very competent and is
unquestionably this is the important point, I suppose, on the
right of the party. Certainly socially, she is a social conservative,
(01:04):
as you would imagine people from a Nigerian or gun
Ayan or West African background might be. So this is
bad news firstly for Keir Starmer because of all the
candidates who were lined up possibly to replace Richie Sunaka's leader,
she is the one who will cause the most damage.
(01:24):
At the dispatch box partners with her intellect, of course,
because she's combatative and she knows her brief partly also
because once again the Conservative Party has shown that it
is capable of electing people from people of color to
positions of very very high authority in the party. That's
(01:45):
the second consecutive leader, a third if your countants trust, who,
to all intents and purposes, did look like a white
middle class lady from the Home Counties who was actually
from the planet Sark, which is in a spiral arm
of the Andromeda galaxy. So she is actually the third,
the second black leader of the party, and I suspect
(02:09):
will do very well. Now I say that she's almost
certain to become I think that when this vote goes
out to the activists and the party, she will crush
Robert Jenrick very very easily. Indeed, But one always has
to bear in mind that the Conservative Party is a
bizarre convocation of human beings, and that the surprise could
(02:34):
occur to all intensive purposes, she will be the next leader.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, So just work me through what's happen in the
last twenty four hours. So Generic leads pretty much until
the vote before yesterday, he led the whole time. So
he was the alleged hot favorite, Cleverly to the lead,
lipped into the lead yesterday, the skulduggery or whatever's gone on,
what went on for suddenly better not to be there
(02:58):
or thereabouts, but then now suddenly boomed she as the leader.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I'm a decent friend of someone who ran Badanock's campaign,
and I remember talking to him five or six weeks
ago and saying, my guess is that it gets to
the final two and that will be Badenoch, Badenoch versus Generic,
and Badenock wins. And he said, yes, unless she gets
(03:23):
kicked out. Well, it's down to four people, three or
four people, and that was the thing they had to
guard against. So I think what clearly happened, and this
is whether she Canery was involved, was that people who
would have voted for Badenoch in the last round transferred
their votes to Cleverly, James Cleverly, who was the kind
(03:48):
of amiable, comfortable center candidate also of course from an
ethnic minority background, right, and that they then switched them
back very very rapidly today. And so for a couple
of days, you know, we've been saying James clever has
come from nowhere. He's the man to leave the party. No,
(04:10):
he really isn't, and it never occurred to me really
that he would win.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Okay then, having said that, just to explain to people
who haven't followed this closely, this has all been in
the realms of the MPs. As you say, it goes
to the party members if they pervade knock. Are the
MP's and the party members in unison and universally happy.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Not entirely. No, there will be a large rump of
the Conservative Party which objects to the stridency of Kenny
badenox rightish concerns, particularly on social issues, particularly on so
for example, she very much upset the apple cart earlier
(04:53):
in her campaign where she said that she didn't agree
with some of the welfare payments to women. And she
is very much you know, traditional family, traditional gender ideologies,
sexual ideology. She is very much of that trunch which
(05:14):
exists within the West African community but also exists very
very strongly within a large proportion of the Conservative community
in this country.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Being reported this morning in the Australian media that Starmer,
who I am assuming was going given the kings going
to Chogham and Samoa, was going with the King. He's
canceled a trip to Australia because the myss that he's
created for himself is so severely coountiful to be out
of the country. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Yeah? I think that is for her. It is remarkable
that a party which has such a huge majority can
now find itself only one point ahead in the opinion polls.
And with Kirs Starmer, who's great train hitherto was that
he never succumbed to press pressure and sacks anybody and
(06:04):
gets rid of his chief of staff, is most important appointment.
He is in real trouble. And as I mentioned, I
think last week on the program to header, you know,
my own party leader gave him a ten percent chance
of leading Labor at the next election. I think that's
(06:24):
maybe especially a bit far, but I wouldn't put it
much more than thirty percent.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Wow, all right, might go, well, we'll catch up next week.
I appreciate it, Rod little that reference. At one point,
he refers to as the more uncommon survey that came
out yesterday Labor on twenty nine, Conservatives twenty eight, Reform nineteen,
lib DIMSI live in the Greens on seven.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
For more from the mic Asking Breakfast.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Listen live to news talks it'd be from six am weekdays,
or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio
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