As the week comes to a close, Kate Hawkesby and Tim Wilson joined Mike Hosking to Wrap the Week that was.
They discussed jury duty, clap backs, and what is and isn’t appropriate for the leader of a state-owned company to do in their free time.
And, Tim and Kate break out the defence for Producer Sam, who, in Tim’s words, is a prisoner of the Hosking Regime.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Right, Oh, Tim and Katy is whether it's Tim and Katy,
good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Good morning. I was just saying to Sam, he'd probably
rather be on jury judy at this rate, with all
the abuse he's getting from you this.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Morning, exactly exactly, he would be treated respectfully, he would
be listened to, he would have some some power. But
he's just he's a prisoner, isn't he, Katy. He's a
prisoner of the Hosking regime. He is.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Do you know what the Hosking region. It's a very
good point you make him, Do you know what? The
Hosking regime is continual continual improvement. And I'm not here
for slackers. Relentless, relentless, continual improvement. And it's a simple
it's a simple printer. It's a very very base printer.
Because the budgets here at News Talk z ZBI represent these,
(00:43):
so they make it simple to change the printer. It's
not hard and I just it's all I had to
do this morning was double handle it. And I fiddled.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And it's always the person who comes in after the
person who fiddled with it first.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That exactly seems to have fixed it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
When the person who fiddled with at first, a.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Actually actually did affect it. Actually, and look, look, I'd
love to keep talking about this printer, but I've got
President Trump on the other line, so I'm going to
have to go.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Is it like opening the jar, so you try and
open the jar and you can't, and you hand it
to the person. Then goes easy. So that's what you're arguing.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm the jar opener in our house. I opened the
jars because of a bulging biceps.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Nothing wrong with that. By the way, the call for
Trump Sam won that, so he's had a good week.
He was right on the money in terms of how
late the call was.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Did you want any money or food or something.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
No, you're not allowed money and food on competitions on
this radio station. So members of the staff. It's the
classic old rule. It's members of the staff. Again, it's
not the way.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We got nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
He just got kudos exactly. So he was a winner there.
But as have you ever been on jury duty?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I got called up for it. I got called up
for it once and then I just I was too
I was too busy at work, like like you like work?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Later, what's that? Did you write an MTI metic work letter?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they accept me. That went away,
and they went away.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I sort of. I actually I have thought at times, oh,
I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind trying it. But then
when I heard about Sam, who's got threat? Like you said,
about three weeks to spare.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Who's got time to sit in the room with eleven
other people? What do you reckon the ratio of gornelosce
idiots is twelve randomly selected people. I reckon it's eighty
two percent.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's it's right up there formost idiots, people who have
no clue. There's certainly not your peers, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I stood in Bob Jones's office once and he was smoked.
He was smoking his pipe in his office, steering out
over Wellington Harbor, and he said, I was called up
for jury duty the other day? And I said, how'd
that go for you? He goes, I've never seen the like.
(02:56):
Do you realize, Mike Puff Puff Puff? There were people
in that room wearing tracksuit pants. What has the world
come to?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Why if you're settling in for three weeks, you should
be in your trackees, you.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Be in your trackies. And and if you were doing it,
if you were called up, and by the way, they
would call your name, I think, and a lawyer would
immediately go challenge you. Just you wouldn't even get out
of your seat exactly, but you'd be there in your
one of one of your T shirts.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I would rather, I would rather, I would run. Part
of my problem with jury duty is you're not being
judged by your peers. Are you the average person in
court being judged by anyone who's got a job and
is professional and is generally a half decent human being.
Is not the peer of the person in court in general, are.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
They No, You're relying one hundred percent on your lawyer,
as proven in the Polking Hornk case. You're relying on
your lawyer, not your jury.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Although more judge a good lawyer, I argue for more
judge trials because they're generally sort of cognizant, know what
they're doing. They're voluntarily there anyway, or and or and
I'm slightly weak on this, but and or a group
of people who'd be keen. My fear for the group
of people who be keen is you have trainspos.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Get you get you get self selecting, busy bodies, and
you're sort of creating I think a like a like
a class of professional jurors. That's the last thing you want.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And then they have Well, I tell you what, I
was on three trials last year, and I was right
on every single one of them. What about you? Are
you trial four? Are you get a lot of that?
Wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Oh you'll find this joke likes to say X, Y
and Z. I would dismiss it. Why are we doing
this voice?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't know, because it sounded good when we started
at the answer, Caddy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
When did it become.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I just saw you get another headline this morning, so
and so claps back? When did that become a saying.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, claps You know what a clapbake is?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Now?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I know what it is, but I just won't it
becomes it seemingly a trendy thing that everyone needs to say.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I mean, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's new that
the media are using it. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Oh, so it's been around for ages, has it?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah? I've heard Yeah, it's like ten years, right, kay, Katie?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I mean we've grown up with you know, we've
raised five children who've all clapped back many times it's
sas it's giving you a serve, it's a sarcastic quip
or remark, or you know, responding to criticism quickly. We've
you know, how is that not familiar to you?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, because I'm probably a dinosaur. So two morals questions
for you. Are you ready the woman from TV and
Z whose name I've momentarily forgotten takes, who allegedly is
going to be in charge of everything at TB and Z,
takes personal leave to go on the protest much given
(05:47):
who she is and who she works for, is that
wise and acceptable?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Katie.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I've thought about this a lot because having worked with
the execs at both TV and Z and Z me
I know for certain that they think very clearly. The
execsid ends in me about what they do and how
they participate in life outside of business hours, and that
is something you've got to think about. On the one hand,
she's entitled to take personal leave and do whatever she wants.
On the other hand, if you're in charge of something
(06:13):
that affects a wide group of people, which is seen
to be got to be seen to be representing everybody,
then the minute you stick your colors to one mask,
then you're made it very clear you're not representing everybody,
and therefore they'll there'll be a clapback or a knock
on effect for your the people you represent, which is
your audience, which is your customers, which is your advertisers.
So to me, that's an own goal and she shouldn't
(06:35):
have done it.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Tim totally agree that TV and Z has to demonstrate impartiality. Well,
said Katie.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
See because Jason was giving me the example of the
strip club, and he went to the legal team to ask,
is it okay if I go to the strip club?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You are so full of crack? One Jason would never
ask that. Two that never happened. And three Jason is
the person I was thinking about. He holds the bar.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You're going to need some rating evidence.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Here, Glenn, you were there, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
That this did. This conversation did.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
In the news at eight o'clock.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I also add that that according to Miriam Webster, clapback
was first use. The first known use of it was
nineteen ninety WHOA.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I feel like kind of clapback to be fair to Jason,
to be that's a mic drop, to be fair.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
To Jason, he didn't go, and he finds it morally
repugnant in gooing because he represents people, and therefore he
was saying it's not acceptable behavior. But the legal team said,
go for you, go for gold.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Also, to be fair to Jason, he wasn't just asking
them if he could go to a strip club. He
was saying, say, for example, I was invited to a stagdoo.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He wasn't just going to pop down at lunchtime.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I know, was bright. I don't think he'd get
in anywhere near kill you within a strip club.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I think if you're an opinion based service, or if
she was an editorial writer or her job, well, she's.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Going to be in charge of the news allegedly.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Exactly, which is supposed to be impartial. Therefore, you shouldn't
you represent impartiality?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah you have to.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, okay, next moral question. And this was a revelation
to me. You know how John Krasinski was named the
sexiest man in the world this week by People magazine.
What I didn't realize is he wasn't their first choice,
and they go to other people, and the other people
turned them down? What exactly?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Really?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh do you have to get permission?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And see I knew this was news. I knew it. Wow,
So you so, ho won? Who's the real sexiest hold
man in the pink pinup? So you go to the people,
you get thereby, and so therefore you get the photo
shooting a few comments. So they went first to Glenn Powell.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And then when Glenn turned them down, they went to
Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Why do you turn them down? I'm so because the.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
People magazine and being called the sexiest man in the
world's in them? Back the old guy.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Because John Kristinsky would be a bit older, wouldn't he John?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Everybody sexy the sixtiest meeting.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
How does that work? And then people go People magazine available.
I don't know. It's just everything is not as it seems,
is my point. Until you know you dig a little
bit deeper. That's that's why we're here. This is what
we do every Friday. We sort it out fair enough.
Have you seen the New Zealand video by the way,
just quickly?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
No? Is it good?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
How would we have seen it?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
How would we have seen it.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I feel like Tim gave you the perfect opportunity to
wrap up that segment. It would have been so beautifully
tied up with a bow, and then you just.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Keep pushing a little bit faster.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
On the line. I've got to go.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
In answer to your question, Tim, they're they're get ready
to take off video. In answer to your question, Katie, No,
And that is the end of the segment.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
For more or from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live
to News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Right, Oh, Tim and Katy is whether it's Tim and Katy,
good morning.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Good morning. I was just saying to Sam, he'd probably
rather be on jury judy at this rate, with all
the abuse he's getting from you this.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Morning, exactly exactly, he would be treated respectfully, he would
be listened to, he would have some some power. But
he's just he's a prisoner, isn't he, Katy. He's a
prisoner of the Hosking regime. He is.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Do you know what the Hosking region. It's a very
good point you make him, Do you know what? The
Hosking regime is continual continual improvement. And I'm not here
for slackers. Relentless, relentless, continual improvement. And it's a simple
it's a simple printer. It's a very very base printer.
Because the budgets here at News Talk z ZBI represent these,
(00:43):
so they make it simple to change the printer. It's
not hard and I just it's all I had to
do this morning was double handle it. And I fiddled.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And it's always the person who comes in after the
person who fiddled with it first.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
That exactly seems to have fixed it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
When the person who fiddled with at first, a.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Actually actually did affect it. Actually, and look, look, I'd
love to keep talking about this printer, but I've got
President Trump on the other line, so I'm going to
have to go.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
Is it like opening the jar, so you try and
open the jar and you can't, and you hand it
to the person. Then goes easy. So that's what you're arguing.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
I'm the jar opener in our house. I opened the
jars because of a bulging biceps.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Nothing wrong with that. By the way, the call for
Trump Sam won that, so he's had a good week.
He was right on the money in terms of how
late the call was.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Did you want any money or food or something.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
No, you're not allowed money and food on competitions on
this radio station. So members of the staff. It's the
classic old rule. It's members of the staff. Again, it's
not the way.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We got nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
He just got kudos exactly. So he was a winner there.
But as have you ever been on jury duty?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
I got called up for it. I got called up
for it once and then I just I was too
I was too busy at work, like like you like work?
Speaker 1 (01:59):
Later, what's that? Did you write an MTI metic work letter?
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and they accept me. That went away,
and they went away.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
I sort of. I actually I have thought at times, oh,
I wouldn't mind. I wouldn't mind trying it. But then
when I heard about Sam, who's got threat? Like you said,
about three weeks to spare.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Who's got time to sit in the room with eleven
other people? What do you reckon the ratio of gornelosce
idiots is twelve randomly selected people. I reckon it's eighty
two percent.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's it's right up there formost idiots, people who have
no clue. There's certainly not your peers, that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I stood in Bob Jones's office once and he was smoked.
He was smoking his pipe in his office, steering out
over Wellington Harbor, and he said, I was called up
for jury duty the other day? And I said, how'd
that go for you? He goes, I've never seen the like.
(02:56):
Do you realize, Mike Puff Puff Puff? There were people
in that room wearing tracksuit pants. What has the world
come to?
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Why if you're settling in for three weeks, you should
be in your trackees, you.
Speaker 3 (03:13):
Be in your trackies. And and if you were doing it,
if you were called up, and by the way, they
would call your name, I think, and a lawyer would
immediately go challenge you. Just you wouldn't even get out
of your seat exactly, but you'd be there in your
one of one of your T shirts.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I would rather, I would rather, I would run. Part
of my problem with jury duty is you're not being
judged by your peers. Are you the average person in
court being judged by anyone who's got a job and
is professional and is generally a half decent human being.
Is not the peer of the person in court in general, are.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
They No, You're relying one hundred percent on your lawyer,
as proven in the Polking Hornk case. You're relying on
your lawyer, not your jury.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Although more judge a good lawyer, I argue for more
judge trials because they're generally sort of cognizant, know what
they're doing. They're voluntarily there anyway, or and or and
I'm slightly weak on this, but and or a group
of people who'd be keen. My fear for the group
of people who be keen is you have trainspos.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
Get you get you get self selecting, busy bodies, and
you're sort of creating I think a like a like
a class of professional jurors. That's the last thing you want.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
And then they have Well, I tell you what, I
was on three trials last year, and I was right
on every single one of them. What about you? Are
you trial four? Are you get a lot of that?
Wouldn't you?
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Oh you'll find this joke likes to say X, Y
and Z. I would dismiss it. Why are we doing
this voice?
Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't know, because it sounded good when we started
at the answer, Caddy.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
When did it become.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
I just saw you get another headline this morning, so
and so claps back? When did that become a saying.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, claps You know what a clapbake is?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Now?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (04:53):
Well?
Speaker 1 (04:53):
I know what it is, but I just won't it
becomes it seemingly a trendy thing that everyone needs to say.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
I mean, yeah, I don't know. Maybe it's new that
the media are using it. Is that what you're saying?
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Oh, so it's been around for ages, has it?
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Yeah? I've heard Yeah, it's like ten years, right, kay, Katie?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
Yeah, I mean we've grown up with you know, we've
raised five children who've all clapped back many times it's
sas it's giving you a serve, it's a sarcastic quip
or remark, or you know, responding to criticism quickly. We've
you know, how is that not familiar to you?
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Well, because I'm probably a dinosaur. So two morals questions
for you. Are you ready the woman from TV and
Z whose name I've momentarily forgotten takes, who allegedly is
going to be in charge of everything at TB and Z,
takes personal leave to go on the protest much given
(05:47):
who she is and who she works for, is that
wise and acceptable?
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Katie.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
I've thought about this a lot because having worked with
the execs at both TV and Z and Z me
I know for certain that they think very clearly. The
execsid ends in me about what they do and how
they participate in life outside of business hours, and that
is something you've got to think about. On the one hand,
she's entitled to take personal leave and do whatever she wants.
On the other hand, if you're in charge of something
(06:13):
that affects a wide group of people, which is seen
to be got to be seen to be representing everybody,
then the minute you stick your colors to one mask,
then you're made it very clear you're not representing everybody,
and therefore they'll there'll be a clapback or a knock
on effect for your the people you represent, which is
your audience, which is your customers, which is your advertisers.
So to me, that's an own goal and she shouldn't
(06:35):
have done it.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Tim totally agree that TV and Z has to demonstrate impartiality. Well,
said Katie.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
See because Jason was giving me the example of the
strip club, and he went to the legal team to ask,
is it okay if I go to the strip club?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You are so full of crack? One Jason would never
ask that. Two that never happened. And three Jason is
the person I was thinking about. He holds the bar.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
You're going to need some rating evidence.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Here, Glenn, you were there, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
That this did. This conversation did.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
In the news at eight o'clock.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
I also add that that according to Miriam Webster, clapback
was first use. The first known use of it was
nineteen ninety WHOA.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
That's so embarrassing.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
I feel like kind of clapback to be fair to Jason,
to be that's a mic drop, to be fair.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
To Jason, he didn't go, and he finds it morally
repugnant in gooing because he represents people, and therefore he
was saying it's not acceptable behavior. But the legal team said,
go for you, go for gold.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Also, to be fair to Jason, he wasn't just asking
them if he could go to a strip club. He
was saying, say, for example, I was invited to a stagdoo.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Right right.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He wasn't just going to pop down at lunchtime.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
That's a good point.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Yeah, I know, was bright. I don't think he'd get
in anywhere near kill you within a strip club.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
No, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I think if you're an opinion based service, or if
she was an editorial writer or her job, well, she's.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Going to be in charge of the news allegedly.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Exactly, which is supposed to be impartial. Therefore, you shouldn't
you represent impartiality?
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Yeah you have to.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Yeah, okay, next moral question. And this was a revelation
to me. You know how John Krasinski was named the
sexiest man in the world this week by People magazine.
What I didn't realize is he wasn't their first choice,
and they go to other people, and the other people
turned them down? What exactly?
Speaker 4 (08:30):
Really?
Speaker 1 (08:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh do you have to get permission?
Speaker 1 (08:32):
And see I knew this was news. I knew it. Wow,
So you so, ho won? Who's the real sexiest hold
man in the pink pinup? So you go to the people,
you get thereby, and so therefore you get the photo
shooting a few comments. So they went first to Glenn Powell.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Oh yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
And then when Glenn turned them down, they went to
Pedro Pascal.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Why do you turn them down? I'm so because the.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
People magazine and being called the sexiest man in the
world's in them? Back the old guy.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Because John Kristinsky would be a bit older, wouldn't he John?
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Everybody sexy the sixtiest meeting.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
How does that work? And then people go People magazine available.
I don't know. It's just everything is not as it seems,
is my point. Until you know you dig a little
bit deeper. That's that's why we're here. This is what
we do every Friday. We sort it out fair enough.
Have you seen the New Zealand video by the way,
just quickly?
Speaker 3 (09:32):
No? Is it good?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (09:36):
How would we have seen it?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
How would we have seen it.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I feel like Tim gave you the perfect opportunity to
wrap up that segment. It would have been so beautifully
tied up with a bow, and then you just.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Keep pushing a little bit faster.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
On the line. I've got to go.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
In answer to your question, Tim, they're they're get ready
to take off video. In answer to your question, Katie, No,
And that is the end of the segment.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
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to News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or
follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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