Full Show Podcast: 20 November 2024

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Welcome to day. We're standing orders the vade out of
the parliamentary shambles that is the Bowery Party. Do we
need to tough enough good? A new report that suggests
that making our roads out of concrete actually makes sense.
Basketball is about to become our high school's hottest sport.
The PM does the PM thing Politics Wednesday Gager along
Richard Arnold Steve Price, they make it a perfect Wednesday
as well. Tasking seven past six turns out we got

(00:33):
too many spare bedrooms in our house. Not my house,
but everyone's house on average. We've got too many spare
bedrooms in this country headline headline do couples really need
a four bedroom house? Interesting question?

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Need?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
What do we need? And who decides? Census data show
sixty two percent of four beddies in the Thames Corrimanal
are home to a couple. Presumably the couple only uses
one bedroom, So we've got three spare bedrooms there? Do
we need them? Those three? The inferences Why aren't we
all living in a one bedroom? In kai Kura it's
fifty six percent, Christchurch just thirty six. The more urban

(01:07):
you get, the lower the number goes. In Norkland's twenty
seven percent. It's sort of interesting, I suppose in a
sense to see sort of way, I mean, what they
do with it? I don't know. Why do we live
in the houses we do? Here's my guess. One, because
when we buy at the house we have kids. The
kids will eventually leave, hence spare rooms. Two. If we
bought houses for bedrooms, we would have we at houses.
See we like space, don't we? How do we know this?

(01:29):
Because last time I checked, we had the third biggest
houses on average in the world, behind the US and Australia.
And a big lounge and a media room and a
scullery are generally found in houses with more bedrooms. Is
this bad? Should we feel guilty about it? I wouldn't
have thought so, But then I didn't write the headline
through couples really new to for all bedroom house. It
didn't used to be this way. More fun stats from

(01:50):
the Census for you in the nineties. The percentage of
houses with two or more spare bedrooms was thirty percent,
it is now forty percent. The real issue is the
word need. There are lots of things in life we
don't need. We don't need to go to the Gold coast,
or the wealthy coast, or any coast. We don't need
art on the walls more than a couple of shirts
I guess in the wardrobe, or a second helping of cake.

(02:12):
But that's not how life works. And how life works
is we like to indulge ourselves. We like to expand
and enjoy. We like to dabble and luxury gate. We
like to do stuff that isn't necessary, but it's fun.
We like fun. We like our houses. We like what
they say about us. We like to have a place
for a visitor. If everything was a decision on need,
how dull, uninspiring and repressed, would.

Speaker 4 (02:34):
We be.

Speaker 5 (02:36):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
So there's World War three about to start. The long
range missiles have been fired by Ukraine.

Speaker 6 (02:43):
Put in one's war. Dear as long as as possible.
As long a war, the longer we'll be in crumbling.
It's very un staable. This is his goal to destroy us,
all of us.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
The Russians are fared off a warning or two of
their own.

Speaker 4 (02:59):
We will be taking this as a quantitatively new face
of the Western war in against Russia, and we will
react according you.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Starmer who's at the G twenty stands firm.

Speaker 7 (03:13):
Ukraine must have what it needs for as long as
it needs, and we must put Ukraine in the strongest
possible position to.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Win this war.

Speaker 7 (03:20):
It impacts Ukraine, but it impacts all of us, and
Russia cannot be allowed to win this war.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Then in Britain, the farmers were on the march over
the inheritance text.

Speaker 8 (03:28):
As we won't be able to pay it, we will
have the setate, and that means that we lose the land,
and it means it won't be found in it anymore.
We'll go to someone else, and we would have lost it.
Our family would have lost it, despite us having had
it for three generations now and despite our family having
found for hundreds of years.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
The Tories there into it.

Speaker 9 (03:44):
This policy is so obviously unfair, so obviously cruel. We
will do everything we can to make sure that in
a few years time, if they do not u turn now,
we will reverse this task.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
And the UK's hit farmer has some advice for the
chancellor back down.

Speaker 10 (04:02):
You know, if you make a mistake, we'll do and
they be big enough to say we made a mistake
there and then back down.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Finally, new record. We got a silver coin that was
struck in sixteen fifty two before the US was even founded.
Was uncovered eight years ago in the back of the cabinet,
was in the Netherlands. It'd set a new record. It's
been sold. It's about the size of a nickel. It's
value in silver is worth a little over a buck,
but its age and it ties to American history is
meant it has worth you ready, ding ding Ding ding
ding ding four point two seven million dollars, which is

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a new record for a non gold coin. And that's
news of the world in ninety seconds. Business gold coins
that Chinese would use a few they front loaded. They're
twenty twenty five undercoming increasingly a interested and be worried
about China. They've front loaded their twenty five local government
special bonds they throw money at, I mean the hidden debt,
the problems in housing. I mean, China's just mired and
debt anyway, So the Chinese Finance Ministry announced yesterday they're

(04:55):
front loading part of their twenty five local special bond quota.
They we've already tossed over half a billion at them,
And of course, earlier on this month China generally unveiled
what would it be to be over a trillion by
way of a debt package to use local government financing.
So it still doesn't appear to have worked properly. Twelve
past six.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
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Another day now the court case Richard arand later, but
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further notice, So things going his way at the moment.
Fifteen past six, Ya, my wife Andrew callaher. Good morning,
Very good morning, Mike. We had to bust open a

(05:45):
liter of milk. Shall we more celebration and daring more
good numbers this morning?

Speaker 11 (05:50):
Yeah, we're getting a good run of news for the
dairy sector, aren't we. So following that bumper global dairy
Trade auction out come two weeks ago, that's been followed
up by another positive global dairy trade auction overnight. So
the Global Dairy Trade Price Index is up one point
nine percent. I'll remind you that on the fifth and
November the index was up four point eight percent, so

(06:10):
we'll take all of that. There was a sort of
rogue auction back in early July, wasn't there when think
prices fell. But other than that, that's been sort of
a steady move high in the index for months now.
And if you look at the breakdown of the outcome,
look at the individual constituent components, there's sort of more
good news there. Butter Butter lovers, you can breathe a
little bit of a siary. Remember the food Price Index,

(06:31):
Mike it said it was up like something like thirty
three percent over the course of last year. Well, it's
only up point five percent in this global dairy trade auction,
so hopefully that will stay those rises eventually. Mozzarella was
down six point six percent, with the key products skim
milk powder and.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Whole milk powder.

Speaker 11 (06:48):
Skim milk power up zero point nine percent, but very
importantly a three point two percent lift in whole milk
powder is that that is the highest price we've seen
for whole milk powder. If you look at the average
price at the auction since the middle of two so
I would say that supports the recent lift in the
forecast farm get mill price. Good news for a sector
that's important for real New Zealand's important for New Zealand

(07:10):
in general and particularly Mike in a week when you
saw manufacturing and services sector reports sort of more downbeat numbers.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
So yeah, exactly, Ary and one of those banks was
suggesting it's not out of the question to go to
ten dollars. So let's wait. See KMD is interesting. So
Catman do, I mean, you've never seen a more divergent
story before Catmandu in Australia versus.

Speaker 11 (07:30):
Yeah, so cap Man do, which the catmand Group which
now includes cap Mandu, Rip Curl and Ovals the hiking Boots.
They held their AGM yesterday and they released to the
Stock Exchange a first quarter trading update. So this is
the first quarter of their new financial year, which includes
the sort of three months to the end of October

(07:50):
twenty twenty four. It's been described as mixed. It looks
pretty soft to me, particularly from a New Zealand point
of view, but first quarter sales are five point eight
percent lower than the corresponding period last year. The company
comments that director consumer sales results have improved for rip.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Curl and Katmandu since the last trading update.

Speaker 11 (08:11):
Given both are still worse, what they're actually saying is
they're less worse than they were, And yeah, you're right,
there's this weird differential between caapman Do sales and australiaan Museum.
If you look at Australia Q one sales are four
point three percent above last year's numbers, which is good,
isn't it. But in New Zealand those sales decreased by
fifteen point four percent. You look at that, so there's

(08:31):
got to be something going on. Apparently it's not like
for light because last year they had some strong end
of line clearance sales in August, so you're not comparing
Light Flight.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
But still it looks awful, doesn't it.

Speaker 11 (08:42):
Outlook, of course, is key here, and if you're like
me and you have permanent retail fatigue, you're not going
to enjoy the next few weeks because what is key
for the outlet for retail is Black Friday and Christmas
periods Black Friday twenty ninth and November coming into that.
So prepared to be assaulted by Black Friday retail ads
on every social media you're at, you're on. But the
starting point for the companies that they're cautious on consumer spending,

(09:05):
certainly in New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
That would appear to be justified.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Retail is not out of the woods here yet, Mike, No,
it is not. What about inflation, how are we seeing that?

Speaker 5 (09:13):
Well, this is weird.

Speaker 11 (09:14):
This is household inflation expectations. I've talked recently about the
arbian Zed Survey of inflation expectations. That's inflation expectations from
a point of view professionals. They survey professionals. We know
how inflation expectations are important. They do the survey of
households as well.

Speaker 3 (09:30):
You've got to look.

Speaker 11 (09:31):
At the direction of travel here, because the nominal numbers
look kind of crazy. Households see inflation as being quite
a bit higher than the two point two CPI print.
They see inflation at the moment at what might they
see inflation at six percent? They see it at four
point one percent time in the four point one percent
the years done. The important thing, though, is the expectations
aren't changing. They're relatively stable, so they're relatively anchored.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
That's what the Abians wants to see.

Speaker 11 (09:55):
That's what they're getting if you sort of ignore the
households always tend to think inflation is higher than it is.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
Maybe it is, Maybe it.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
Is, Yeah, maybe it is. It's our own individual basket
and story, isn't it now? What are the numbers?

Speaker 11 (10:06):
Yep? The Dow Jones down one hundred and eighteen points
forty three thousand, two hundred and seventy one. It's about
a quarter percent. Everyone's sitting around waiting for Nvidia to
release the results. The S and P five hundred is
up five points five eight nine eight, and the Nasdaq
is up just under one hundred points eighteen thousand, eight
hundred and eighty eight. Lot of eights there. That's up
half a percent overnight. The Forts one hundred lost ten.

(10:27):
You'rerope a little bit worried about the about the missiles.
The foots one hundreds down ten points eight oh ninety nine.
I just looked at the European and its top fifty stops.
That's down just under one percent. The nick was up
half a percent thirty eight thousy.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Four hundred and fourteen.

Speaker 11 (10:43):
Shanghai Composite up two thirds of percent three three four
six in Australasia. Yesday we gained zero point eight nine
percent in Australia eight three seven four and we gainedero
point four percent on the ins nets fifty up fifty
two points twelve thousand, eight hundred and sixteen key we
dollar recovered a bit against the US five nine oh
five point nine to five three against the ossie point

(11:05):
five five eight euro point four to six six one
against the pound ninety one point one six. Japanese yen
gold has recovered little bit two thousand, six hundred and
twenty six dollars and break brewed stablish seventy three dollars
and one cent.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Go well, Andrew Kellahejomiwealth, dot Co, dot m Zsking, US
retail lows and Walmart names. You'll know they're doing better
than expected. Sandford back here on the fish. They're up.
So that's good nape you Port yesterday, cruise ships are
back logs are going well, net profit is up. Things
look reasonably good. Trade uncertainly remained an issue. Fundamentals of

(11:40):
premium food and fiber remained strong, though, so we'll take
that all day long. Good story for NAPI Port six
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Speaker 1 (11:48):
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Speaker 2 (11:58):
Just reading the problem. Missiles have been fired, but the
Swedes and the Finns and the Norwegians have already onto
it are because Swedes this week are receiving copies of
a pamphlet advising the population how to prepare and cope
with war. It's entitled in Case of Crisis or War.
They did have one from six years ago, so they've
updated that. Finland they've just published their own fresh advice.

(12:21):
Norwegians they've already got a pamphlet, but that's for extreme
weather how to last for three days? All but bleak,
isn't it? Pamphlets good law in fact one and I
can't remember. I think it was Sweden. They're all electronic
because they worked out that printing them on paper was
too expensive.

Speaker 12 (12:37):
A lot of people have the no junk mail yeah
signs on them.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Couldn't be bothered.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
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too much.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
Fido farmers protest and the UK battle over the inheritance
tax of course, instituted by the new Labour government. Currently
about four percent of the UK pay inheritance tax, but
the National Farmers Union they reckon for farmers is going
to be about sixty six percent. So all mess in
London in the attractors. Jeremy Clarkson, who's the country's most
well known farmer, was right for a question or two
from his old mate to the BBC.

Speaker 13 (13:08):
So it's not about you, it's not about your farm
and the fact that you bought a farm to avoid
inheritance tax.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
Classic BBC, the classic.

Speaker 10 (13:16):
Oh yeah, it's not the fact that the fact that
I bought a farm to avoid inheritance tax, the.

Speaker 13 (13:22):
Fact you told someday times in twenty twenty one, that's
why you bought it.

Speaker 14 (13:27):
People.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
Sorry, BFPC being came the debate.

Speaker 13 (13:31):
So one of the reasons Rachel Reeves says she brought
this in is to stop wealthy people using.

Speaker 3 (13:37):
It as well, that was the only reason she did.

Speaker 13 (13:39):
Well, no, no, the other reason was to raise money
for public services.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Seen you listening to this.

Speaker 13 (13:46):
Have you tried to get a GP appointment lately?

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Yes? I just recently had a heart attack.

Speaker 13 (13:51):
Okay, so you know it's tough. Yes, So where should
they get the money from if it's not from.

Speaker 10 (13:56):
Farm from where everyone with with that SAT thinks you
should be.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Paying for everything, which, okay, we do.

Speaker 10 (14:03):
You know how many people pay inheritance stats in this country?

Speaker 13 (14:06):
Four percent of the States.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
Four percent pay inheritance status.

Speaker 10 (14:10):
Ninety six percent of the population of the UK does
not pay inheritance stats. After this becomes law, ninety six
percent of farmers will.

Speaker 15 (14:18):
Where have you got that figure from?

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Ninety six percent?

Speaker 10 (14:22):
Well, the same place that Rachel Reeves does, from the
middle of her head, from the sixth form debating society
that she was no doubt a member of, which forms
her opinions and yours.

Speaker 13 (14:32):
I am the not expressing opinions. I'm literally asking you questions.
You know that, mister Carson.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
It's not a bad exchange. She held her own, I
think at the end of the day. By the way, concrete,
we did an interview on concrete a couple of months
ago with an American who said, you got a concrete
When it comes to right, you got a concrete. We've
got a new report for mem for Metrics out this
morning that says concrete is the way We'll look at
this shortly.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
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Speaker 2 (15:07):
Back to the houses, talking about these four beadies and
how we got too many spare bedrooms and all that stuff. Mike,
We're a couple in our late fifties own our own
four bedroom home, one bedroom for us, an office each
we're both self employed, and a spare room for the
grandkids who have sleepovers every other week in four bedrooms
all years. To see there. It is twenty three minutes
away from seven the long range missiles and Trump cabinet signings.

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More from Richard Arnold. Shortly now, we're revisiting the idea
of concrete roading. We've got an infometrics report that punk
concrete is seventeen percent cheaper in the long run over tarmac,
better suited to motorways, better for emissions, and less likely
to rip up because concrete New Zealand Boss are rob
gamesters will us Rob very good morning.

Speaker 16 (15:46):
To you, Yeah morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
Last year, about twelve months ago, did an interview with
a bloke from the US who was arguing the same thing.
Are the US a good model if you want to
look at concrete and go there they are? Are they
a good model to look at?

Speaker 17 (16:00):
I would say so because of one in two rows
in the US are concrete. And look, we've got a
pothole crisis, We've got traffic cones everywhere, We're spending gazillions
on repairs, and yet we're building Mascus mean roads the
same way, largely the way we've always done, exactly and
adding to our future maintenance.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 17 (16:19):
So we're calling for a paradigm shift. We need the
case of conquered roads.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
And if it's sensible, why hasn't it been argued cohesively,
coherently and successfully up until now.

Speaker 17 (16:32):
Well, we've tried. I think we had a very good
meeting with the ministers fairly recently, and our in discussions
with the MCTA, although it's very early days there, but
we do support the government's position online transport, which talks
about resilience, value for money and safety in concrete nos

(16:52):
all through those out of the park.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Is it the upper front that's the problem.

Speaker 17 (16:57):
I think it probably is with history, higher discounts actors
in the past, and if you look at the Informetrics
report that does an example which shows that on a
particular example, the initial costs probably around twenty percent I
for concrete all over the whole of life. Concrete then
comes in at seventeen percent lower whole of life costs.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Right, And what about the environmental is that major or minor?

Speaker 17 (17:24):
Well, what's happened fairly recently, Mike, is that the UN's
Intergovernment Intergovernment Panel for Climate Change is recognized that concrete
absorbed CO two and that's quite significant. So you've got
big surface areas absorbing CO two as we speak, So
that puts the argument for concrete versus affelt. We believe
in favor of concrete, and we're on a journeys to

(17:47):
use decarbonized So we launched our roadmap for that carbon
zero last year and if we deliver on that by
twenty thirty, will have reduced are missions by forty four percent,
which is pretty significant.

Speaker 2 (17:58):
Exactly the report brought out the other day. By the way,
on concrete, generally we're pouring more than we have been,
but not as much as we used to. How would
you describe the vibe in your industry at the moment.

Speaker 17 (18:10):
Yeah, so probably eighteen months ago. Record volumes are going
out of the gate. So we'd have been supplying about
four and a half million cubic meters in twenty twenty two.
Last year down probably twenty percent, so around sort of
three point eight million cuban meters. And by the way,
that's all quality assured concrete. So generally we've seen down,

(18:33):
particularly in the residential sector.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Text here for you, concrete roads are terribly noisy.

Speaker 17 (18:39):
You say what I say, No, I say, there's a
perfection that they were with joints. But these days you
can design concrete roads so that they whisper whisper quiet
with new technology, and that's what they're doing in other jurisdictions,
you know, like Australia for example.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
Good stuff. Nice to talk to you, Rob Gamester, who
the concrete New Zealand boss. Take a look at how
the German auto banners built. Mike lived in the States
for years. Mike, concrete roads everywhere, fabulous to drive on.
Nineteen minutes away from seven we can see concrete New
Zealand advocating for concrete robe side tree p etc. Real
interesting chaser to this is they say it's more climate friendly,

(19:18):
absorbing carbon over time. Really, while you've just heard the facts,
we farmers are told grass doesn't so concrete absorbed, So
maybe we've learned something there this morning stand by for
Richard nineteen two.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
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Speaker 2 (19:35):
Mike, in the Second World War when the Americans were here,
part of the Desert Road was made of the concrete.
Is it still there? That's proof of durability while they're
closing the Desert Road. Of course over the summer period
where he yesterday, which is depressing Mike, Concrete is much
smoother and as anyone who has cycled on a smooth
surface will tell you, it takes a lot less energy
to cycle on a smooth surface than it does to
ride on and rough Ashfeldt service. Therefore, you'd imagine less

(19:56):
petrol and diesel will be used driving on concrete, Mike.
Some of the problems with the con roads in New
Zealand's soft and unstable soils and sub bass. That's true,
but the report does point out it's not ruby roads,
not through the Marlborough Sounds. It's on state highway stuff
like that. Electric cars Mike, heavier leading to more wear
on tar seal roads. I saw a review of a car.
It was a Porsche mccawn, the new porschemccahn's two point

(20:19):
four tons. It's a smallest issue. It's two point four tons.
You can still buy a petrol McCarn right, it's four
hundred kgs lighter. So I'm asking a question, if you've
got an EV, what's that doing to your tires? An
EV must burn through tires like there is no tomorrow.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
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Speaker 2 (20:45):
Business, Reginald Morning, Good morning. That right so Pertin signed.
The piece of paper doesn't mean anything. Where are we
going with us?

Speaker 14 (20:52):
Well, we'll see whyn't we? On this one thousandth day
of the war in Ukraine, it's getting more and more dangerous.
You'd have to say that at the least with Putin
lower the bar for using his nuclear arsenal as Ukraine
has fired American made ballistic missiles into Russia for the
first time. The Ukrainian missile strike comes just two days
after Biden allowed the use of the so called attacker
missiles on Russian territory. Ukraine. Zelenski has been pressing for

(21:16):
the Okay to use these longer range missiles for months
and months. They have arranged for about three hundred kilometers.
They can carry a one hundred and seventy kilos of explosives.
They fly higher in the atmosphere than artillery rockets. All
this comes, of course, in the final months of the
Biden administration, and as Trump says he wants a quick
end to the war, perhaps on Russian terms, Zelenski says
Ukraine needs a strong hand before any negotiations.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Is focused on waning this war.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Well.

Speaker 14 (21:43):
These five attack of missiles were used in a pre
dawn attack on an ammunition depot in Bryansky in southwestern Russia.
Military analysts retired there Force Colonel Cedric Layton says.

Speaker 18 (21:52):
The Ukrainians have to have some tactical successes if they're
going to have a successful for a Debt to peace
conference and a Bible Aspire at least well.

Speaker 14 (22:03):
The new Putin doctrine says there could be a nuclear
first strike even after a conventional attack by any nation
backed by a nuclear power, so it opens up even
furtherly potential for nuclear weapons used by Russia. It does
not require it so it leaves putin that wiggle room.
But this policy line is increasingly on a razor's edge.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
All right, and then we come to today's cabinet signings.
Who we got?

Speaker 14 (22:26):
Oh yeah, Well, we're hearing a lot more about fast
times on Capitol Hill. We know that sex life of
Matt Gates, whom President elect Trump wants as a tough
justice official in the country. The lawyer for two women
who testified about sexual misconduct by Gates is speaking out.
He is fellow named Joel Leppert, who says Gates had
sex with one of his clients, who was under age

(22:47):
at the time at seventeen, a sexual act that was
witnessed by another young girl at the party.

Speaker 19 (22:52):
At this house party, she was walking out to the
pool area and she looked her right and she saw
Representative Gates having sat with her friend, who was seventeen.

Speaker 14 (23:02):
Well, this lawyer says his clients testified that Gates paid
them both for six She also says.

Speaker 19 (23:08):
Her understanding was a Matt Gates did not know that
she was a minor, and that when he learned that
she was a miner, that he broke off things and
did not continue a sexual relationship until she turned eighteen.

Speaker 14 (23:19):
However, on this story, this was six four cash, says
the lawyer.

Speaker 19 (23:24):
They essentially put the venmill payments on the screen and
asked about demman, and my client's repeatedly testified what was
this payment for?

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Without that was for sex? Yes?

Speaker 14 (23:32):
So how often did they have these orgies, sex parties whatever?

Speaker 3 (23:36):
Not? All of them were parties.

Speaker 19 (23:38):
So some of them were events, such as the attended
election events at hotels, they went with him to New
York for a taping on Fox News. But approximately perhaps
ten times, ten to fifteen times.

Speaker 14 (23:52):
So Trump is doubling down on all of this. He
has personally contacted some senators who would be involved in
the vote on where the Gates should be confirmed. Does
Federal ag Elon Musk also getting into the act, he
tweeted today or exed or whatever you say these days, quote,
Matt Gates has three critical assets that are needed for
the attorney general role. A big brain, a spine of
steel at an axe to grind Elon adds quote, as

(24:15):
for these accusations against him, I consider them worth less
than nothing. Well, so says the fellow with what twelve
children from three women, as he seeks to populate planet Mars.
Gates also took the two young women off to New
York in twenty nineteen when Gates appeared on Fox News.
They were asked to go there and have sex with Gates,
and then they could go along and see the Broadway

(24:36):
play Pretty Woman, a show about a wealthy businessman who
falls in love with a prostitute. What a charmer's Matt
Gates abe. He also paid for them to travel to
the Bahamas with other young women. The younger girl was asked,
do you believe you are a victim of Matt Gates?
Her lawyer required quote, My client paused and said that's
a difficult question for me, and then she started crying
and revealed she has been going through extensive counseling. House

(24:58):
members will consider, to mo sorrow whether the House Ethics
report should be releasing, as most of it's out already,
although who knows how much there is really just quickly.
Trump has indicated that Howard Lutnik will become as Secretary.
He wanted the Treasury job and Elon had pressed for that,
so it's a loss for Elon. But Trump and Mask
are off today at a SpaceX rocket launch, so the
bromance continues.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
It's see Ferrida, appreciate it. Richard Arnold state side. Brendan
carrs your other one. Brendan is the chairman or will
be the chairman of the Federal Communications Commission. We must
dismantle the censorship cartel and restore free speech rights for
everyday Americans. He wrote the chapter on the FCC in
the Blueprint Project twenty twenty five, which you heard about
during the campaign, taking aim at technology companies for censorship.

(25:41):
Promise to hold broadcast TV and radio stations accountable. Pledged
to we in the FCC's promotion of diversity, equity and
inclusion efforts. Very Trump get away from seven on.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
The my costal breakfast with the range rover of the
line News Talks FB.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Here we go, Mike Ev on average twenty to thirty
k Mila John a set of tires Premium brands bollocks
I call bs standard tires are twenty thousand k's for
a set of tires is and that's a regular cow.
So I don't believe your EV is doing it.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
I'm rolling over three hundred thousand k's with my twenty
eighteen Ionic still on my third set of tires, So
you're telling me you're doing one hundred thousand k's on
a set of tires. I call bs Taresler Model three
owner here, Mike, tire where is the biggest and only
issue for us? No negative camber adjustment, so wears on

(26:31):
the inside quickly so living in the corrimand a lot
of winding driving wheel alignments every four to six months.
Learnt that from not aligning. A new set only lasted
six thousand k's. Mike, I've got a tie can new
tires at fifteen ks six two hundred for four tires
not very economical year tires themselves are another debate. Fifteen

(26:52):
thousand k's. I got the worst I've ever done. I've
never owned an EV obviously, but the worst I ever had.
I had a big Audi once, a big Q seven
and I bowled through a new set of tires and
seventeen and I went ballistic. I thought, that's a scam.

Speaker 12 (27:04):
Seven lucky. Those tires are so cheap to replace.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Though where they were they were bikad. This was years ago.
They're fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen hundred dollars each wasn't as bad?
Shall I tell you a Ferrari story? Or are you're
sick of those? I burnt through a couple of tires
on the Ferrari. Not burnt through, they got flat and
they got a puncture that you couldn't repair. Do you
know what a Ferrari tire's worth. It's five minutes away
from seven by all the outs.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
It's the fears with business favor take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
It was worth so much. The guy at Ferrari, God
bless him, Rob, who's the nicest guy in the world,
felt so sorry for me. He gave me a big discount.
He said, these tires are so expensive. I'm going to
give you a massive discount.

Speaker 12 (27:45):
I thought you were going to say any through. And
you know, an day twenty.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
No turns out. Franchising per capita, we have more franchises
in this country than anywhere in the world. And I've
got a new report into franchising for you this morning.
Looked into the habits of business owner who can and
can't get into franchises. Found that almost half of buyers
looking to get in in the next few months of
those who own have owned their own business, which aligns
with the high franchise per capital ownership. When you realize

(28:11):
ninety seven percent of businesses in this country are indeed
small businesses. Interest driven by the fact it's tough out there,
so franchise support offers security. Seventy eight percent of prospective
buyers have had management experience age Wise, two thirds of
people buying into franchises are thirty five to fifty four ish.
Seventy percent looked to buy into a franchise with a
spouse or a partner, a friend. That means you may

(28:32):
maybe add more skill to the mix, maybe also some
more money. No real average for a cost to get
into a franchise ranges between twenty five thousand and five
hundred thousand. What's a gym's mowing worth? Oh, I've always
fancied a bit of a gym's mowing myself, because I
like a mower, like a line trimmer. I'd charge premium,
of course, because I'm good at it, but a gym's

(28:53):
mowing would be good. More than sixty percent of owners
expected to have a positive income in the first year,
and a half of this group expect to win at
least six figures annually. So it's good doing if you
can do it. Buyer Inquiry four franchises is up thirty
two percent in the last three months. Everyone's into being
in the franchise. Over four thousand dollars is the answer

(29:17):
A tire And I don't know if you'd noticed that
a Ferrari's got four of them. There's a lot of
money for tires. Ask me why I don't drive a
Ferrari anymore? Exactly So Shane Jones, God bless him. I
was watching him yesterday in the house and he stood
up and he said to the speaker, and it's interesting
the speakers seem to get a bit mythed by it all.
So you got the privileges thing with the Mari party

(29:38):
that's still to unfold. Shane Jones says, that's not enough.
We need to look at the whole law based system,
the standing orders within the house, because these clowns are
out of control. I think he's got a point. He's
with us.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Next the breakfast show, you can trys the Mike Hosking
Breakfast with al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Tosadven supposed the parliamentary circus we saw last week, the
callers come out standing and will do something about standing
orders and whether they adequately deal with a set of
circumstances that clearly were not envisaged in more moderate times.
Shane Jones raised the matter with the Speaker and he's
with us. Very good morning to you. Wellflix, I happen
to be watching it. Did Jerry brownly take offense that

(30:20):
you'll suggest in the sense I am taking it seriously?
Do you believe he's taking it seriously and can do
something substantial?

Speaker 20 (30:27):
Oh, he's a very senior parliamentarian. He's exasperated. Look, we're
good a situation where the Maldi Party are really political vacrants.
They turn up when they want to. They don't believe
the rules of regulations, the duties of being parliamentarians apply
to them. They got that young fellow from the South
Island who's currently before the Privileges Committee. I forget the

(30:49):
boy's name. I mean he turns up in Parliament for
the beanie made out of feathers. Look, these standards are
completely being trashed. But they believe that because they're possessed
of a new morals per indigenous culture, that the rest
of us will Maldi or non Maldi in Parliament a stale,
pale mail and they're going to lead us to the
new Nirvana. I got news for them. They can be

(31:11):
hauled off to the Privileges Committee.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Yeah, well see here's the problem. So you got two things.
You're talking standing orders and you've got privileges, privileges for
last week. Will they do you think, actually do anything?
And if they do, what will it be? And do
the Maori Party give a toss?

Speaker 20 (31:25):
Well, I wrote the letter and it's up to Jerry
to give them an opportunity for a couple of days.
But look, what's the point of coming to Parliament as
a little party and they sort of addressed as scarecrows?
How can I take that serious? How can you zeland
skill their money, their taxpayer money which got a fortune
to ru in Parliament? And if the Standing Orders Committee

(31:48):
can meet sooner rather than later and come up with
some new penalties, some new censures, so that these people
realize that no Parliament belongs to the people and you
don't speak for the people, you speak for a time minority.
And those who turned out yesterday at Tohkoi, they're all
going home to pay their bills and the theaters over
now and get back and look after their kids and

(32:08):
join the rest of the repress.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Yeah, problem for the standing orders, what do you do?
What is the penalty?

Speaker 20 (32:14):
Well, the penalties have historically work, but we don't live
in a world of TikTok now. We live in the
world as a consequence of Jacinda and Mallard, where rules
have been inverted. You can wear I think I saw
someone come one day and then jendles into Parliament. Of
course you've got the Greens dress them as Hames loving
kind of shawl outfit. I mean, not the hell's happening

(32:36):
to New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I tend to agree with you, but the problem is
they're not employees and you can't sack them. And when
they dance on the floor of Parliament and we're appalled,
as you were quite right to point out, and your
hear Ald piece the other day. The standing Orders can't
sack them, they can't put them in jail, they can't
book them out of the house. They're stuck, aren't they.

Speaker 20 (32:56):
Yes, we'll sadly in the old days, if you are
continually violated the underlying principles of Parliament, you're thrown in
the dungeon. And sadly those days are gone. Although I
was looking across Ferver straight the other day trying to
find it a suitable place for those malcontents. But look,
let's trust in the judgment of these of the senior
MPs that are on the standing orders. They are able

(33:19):
of coming up with new rules and new laws that
have a genuinely deterring, deterrent like effect upon them. But
you look at the people you're talking to, I really
want toy very rarely ever comes to Parliament and it's
hard to recognize them under that enormous hat, a cowboy
hat by the way, which he wears. Debbie comes festooned
with feathers and sort of Scapo like accoutrements. And how

(33:42):
can you take that serious brief?

Speaker 2 (33:44):
Good to talk to you, Shane Jones and your first MP.
Behind all of that is, in fact, of course a
serious point. And if you didn't read this piece in
the Herald, you should because one of the best points
he made was middle New Zealand has been appalled to
what's happened to this country in the last week or so.
And I think he's spot on. Eleven past seven. If
we've got the annual Health New Zealand survey results, eighty
five percent of us say we're in good health. I
don't know what the point of that is. Ninety seven

(34:06):
percent of children they're in the same state. Apparently more
kids are in homes that run out of food, though
fifty percent of adults aren't exercising enough, and wait times
are up as well. Wait times and places like GPS
University of Auckland health economist Paula la Gelly as well
as PAULA very good morning to you, Cia, Mike is
asking people whether they're in good health of any use
to anybody at all.

Speaker 21 (34:26):
Yeah, I think it's the only way we do understand
how people feel. Obviously, you can have a chronic condition
and that might get picked up in some health records,
but actually, you know, having a barometer on the health
of the population, this is a great way of doing it.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Well, if you look at the numbers and believe the numbers,
then the health system, I'm led to believe by the media,
is on the verge of collapse in all sorts of
different areas. And yet if you ask your averter New
Zealand and they're feeling fine, how do you square that circle?

Speaker 21 (34:53):
Yeah, well, they are feeling fine. But I think that's
just a something as a nature of the qui you know,
are you in how is your health today excellent, good,
very good, fear or poor? And it's all relative to
you know, maybe some expectation of what you think it
should be or others around you are like and you know,
and how you're facing with aging.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
And looking at that both there is sorry carry on.

Speaker 21 (35:16):
There is indication in the survey that the health system
is in crisis. So as you noted, so we're struggling
still to get a GP appointment and there are less
attendances at GPS and actually now as a corollery, there
are more people attending emergency department, you know, and that's
because it's free and it's not constrained between nine and

(35:38):
five you say, still have to weight. So you know,
that's a reflection, I guess on the cost of living
in the crisis in the primary care sector.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
What do you read on vaping? These smoking smoking's down,
vapings up or we're simply replacing one with another.

Speaker 21 (35:50):
It looks that way. So we've really flatter owed in
this last year. We were on this amazing steady decline
and we could have done that additional push that was
repealed in parliament, and now it looks like vaping has
taken over. Of course we don't know the harms of
vaping yet, so we have now more people vaping. I mean,

(36:10):
one in four eighteen to twenty four year olds of vaping,
and that's surrendous statistic.

Speaker 2 (36:16):
It's no good. Paula, appreciate your time, Paula la Gelly,
who's the University of Auckland health economist. It's thirteen minutes
past seven films franchise fifteen and a half k. There's
your news this morning, fifteen and a half k. Bad
news on that one for sale and fungarray at the moment. Finally,
circumstances have led to a change of heart and they're
on the market POA on that particular one. But you

(36:37):
don't get the car. There's no trailer, there's no motormoi,
there's no line Trummer. So you're paying fifteen and a
half to call yourself Jim. Then you're going to go
buy the stuff at the Funker.

Speaker 12 (36:44):
Rays take a stick of your stills in the back
of your Ferrari.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
Yeah exactly. So what I'm saying the key takeaway here
is becoming a gym's motormile man is cheaper than having
four new ties on a Ferrari and if that's not news,
you can use I don't know what is fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard
By News talks that'd be.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
And Prime Minister with uson about fifteen minutes sixteen past
seven times there are changing on the sports fields of
this country. In just over a year's time, basketball is
going to take the top spot in high school's participations,
up sixty one percent in the last twenty five years.
The number so high that basketball in New Zealand aw
recans were about five hundred court short school sport in
New Zealand. Boss Mike summrules, Well, it's Mike be good

(37:27):
morning to you.

Speaker 16 (37:29):
Good morning, Hi.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Is it the US thing? Watch the NBA? Want to
be like you know? Whoever?

Speaker 16 (37:35):
Yeah, look at I think it could be. I think
you know, you look at the use today and the
access to those types of streaming opportunities, and you watch
the NBA and on why wouldn't you want to go?

Speaker 2 (37:45):
It's also to be fair, it's communal. You can play
it seriously or for fun. It's pick up, it's organized,
it's men, it's women, it's everything. It's the complete sport
if you think about it, isn't it.

Speaker 16 (37:56):
I agree, Yeah, I think basketball are doing a great
job to make some get basketball accessible their hoops and
schools programs. It's working really well and the numbers are
showing it.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
And it's cheap to participate and you need some shoes,
maybe a ball and that's you done.

Speaker 22 (38:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (38:11):
As pure as form absolutely, you just get hope. And
they're doing really well at getting hoops around the country.
I think the costs seem to build as you get.

Speaker 22 (38:20):
More formal with your participation.

Speaker 16 (38:22):
But that's a problem for every sport.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
How does this get organized? When schools or sports or
groups see something unfolding i e. A popularity, who triggers
the stuff that needs to happen to make it grow
even more i e. Courts and facilities.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Coot.

Speaker 16 (38:40):
I think that's a big council conversation. Schools have got
great facilities and they can cater for the smaller games,
but when you look at the national competitions, be it
school sport or youth sport, that they're getting bigger and bigger,
and the facilities that we have are absolutely maxed out
and you add more sports on top because I mean

(39:01):
basketball's having a great time right now that volleyball are
doing exactly the same, are trying to use the same
court space. And these these are bit of conversations for
our planners, and well, I think we know how important
sport is in the lives of everybody, not just you,
and we want we want, we want these games to
be played indoors, it seems, and it's hard to come by.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
And good that we're out in exercise and given the
health serbo we just did and half of us don't
even exercise, so we get out and do something productive
for ourselves. That's no bad thing. Appreciate it. Mike Mike
Summer School Sport, New Zealand CEO. I was selected for
the first five basketball team a Lynwood High School at
in form three. It was unheard of at the time.

Speaker 12 (39:40):
And further, did you have an early growth burd or something.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I knew that was coming. And further, I was, indeed, yes,
the smallest person on the team, but I was a
shooting guard from outside. I was I was three point Hosking.
They called me Stephan Hosking. That was actually before Stephan
was even heard of.

Speaker 12 (39:54):
That's how long we point or three foot Highking.

Speaker 2 (39:58):
Standing Orders Committee. Shane Jones was suggesting to us, I've
got to talk to Jinny about the Justice Committee and
the Treaty Principals Bill because she's on the Justice Committee,
so she's in for six months of good times anyway.
So Shane was telling us the standing all this committee
is full of luminaries. Well, I've got Jerry at the top,
fair enough, he's a illuminary. Kiaran macinnaughty. I think I'd
give him a tick as well. Then the thing to

(40:20):
start to go or I I can give you Kappakini,
I can give you Mendes much, I can give you Uttakedy,
Chris Bishop, maybe Jamie R. Buckle, Scott Simpson, Todd Stevenson's
of these? Is this the hike? Is this the Supreme
Court of Parliamentary intellect? More Later seven twenty.

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at times, I think has an easy job in the
sense it starts out life in appearance anyway as being

(41:52):
on our side, our being, you know, the people's side.
We need a hero protected to keep the big bad
boys away from our lives and our wallets. And lately
though they look like they might have a large legal
budget that someone's told them to spend or else they're
going to lose it. So out they come with the
lawyers the other day for one, you know, the telco
one over their starlink claims about texting anywhere in the country. Now,
this case to me looks literal. You can't say you

(42:15):
can text from anywhere if literally I can find a
place where you can't see. The room for adult interpretation
appears to be devoid of presence in this particular case.
Then we get food Stuffs yesterday, who are to appeal
a ruling by the ComCom on its merger. Now, the
interesting bit about food stuffs is that they are, unfortunately
a supermarket, and supermarkets are hated because they sell stuff

(42:35):
at prices we've decided are too high. They are in
the same category as banks and telcos and petrol stations
and airlines all out there at o rippus off, bleederstry
and generally make life miserable. Food stuff have got two bits,
the north and the south. They want to join the
two bits together. From a business perspective makes perfect sense.
You're playing with scale. Scales generally good, but scale also
reduces numbers in the market. It may well reduce competition.

(42:58):
Where we appear a bits stuck in this is that
very fine and quite probably indefinable line between letting people
get on with business and indeed creating an environment in
which business prospers and more businesses want to open, and
killing business by over regulating it, driven in part by
the fear over lack of competition and therefore the punter
being ripped off. What will be interesting is whether the

(43:18):
foodstuffs can argue their case on fact or on what
clearly is an overarching zeitgeist. The banks, for example, appeared
in front of the Government Committee into Banking the other day.
They made it, by thought, very plausible, very reasonable case
around their profits. It will make no difference though, because
the government doesn't want to hear it. Maybe foodstuffs are
the same. What is a decent price a decent margin?
What is the choice for a punter who sees a

(43:41):
can of beans at a higher price one place, so
goes elsewhere? Is the court even required if the zeitgeist
around business and its success is predetermined, whether sensibly logically
or not, Hosking, and we go to Australia. Just yesterday
they're having a similar inquiry, the a Triple C ongoing
public inquiry. They were accusing the supermarkets of land banking.

(44:03):
Definition of land banking differs from that of the Competition Watchdog,
which classifies it as the accumulation of land for the
purposes of blocking competition. The Australians saying no, no, no,
no no, we're not land banking at all. So even
in a market the size of Australia twenty six to
twenty seven million people, they're still arguing the same things
that we are.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
I think basketball growing for young people as it's played
on random weekdays and it doesn't overlap on Saturday Sport
and could be played all year round. It's very good point.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Please point out to mister Luxon that he is not
reading the room. I have a retail store and most
people are talking about support for mister Seymour and how
Luxon is bowing to a minority of activists. Chris, you
clearly weren't interviewed by Radio New Zealand yesterday. Radio New
Zealand did a fabulous story and I'll come back to
it in more detail after, mister Luxeon. But Radio New
Zealand did a fabulous story yesterday with the headline Wellington

(44:50):
Business's upbeat about the hiccoy. Yesterday they went to the
businesses and they say businesses in central Wellington say their
stores are practically empty. But every business Radio New Zealand
spoke to supported the course. Who would have thought, now,
what businesses did they go to? Away here? You asked
the question. Well, funnily enough, I have the answer for you,

(45:12):
but that's after we do mister Luxelon, who was but
moments away on the mic hosting records.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
They used bold opinions the mic hosking breakfast with the
range rover villa designed to intrigue and use togs dad be.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
It's away from my politics Wednesday after Marke Mitchell, Ginny
Anderson as per regular, not quite as regular, but good
to have him anyway, course of Eluction back in the
country of course, and was there for yesterday Shenanigans. He's well,
that's very good morning to you. Good morning, Mike Goodall.
I had Change Jones on earlier on standing orders and
I saw him in the house yesterday and so they

(45:52):
got two things, as far as I can work out,
won the Privileges Committee and whether anything is done out
of the mess last week and two standing orders? Would
you back Joanes slash Brown on looking at standing orders
to try and tidy this place up.

Speaker 23 (46:05):
Yes, yeah, absolutely, In fact we've already done that, supporting
asking that through a letter to the Speaker I think
yesterday as well.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
I mean, the challenge here is you've got to have some.

Speaker 23 (46:14):
Rules in parliament that mean that you can have a
debate and a discussion on difficult issues of which there
will be strong feelings on all sides of a debate,
without it just degenerating into sort of chaos. And so
you know, that's the challenge back to the Speaker, who's
the head of the legislature here in New Zealand. I
run the executive, he runs the legislature and we've got
to make sure that we're getting standing orders and rules

(46:35):
within the Parliament so that you can facilitate difficult debates
in conversations without degenerating into what we saw last Thursday.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Problem is I put to Shane Jones and he didn't
have an answer. What is its standing orders can do
that is actually effective?

Speaker 23 (46:49):
Well, that's the challenge we're putting back to the Speaker
to say, look, you know, we've always had these rules
that are operational within Parliament, and how do we make
sure that they are cossible, that they're the right rule
for the situations we encounter from time to time in
Parliament today and are they tough enough and are there
you are they strong enough and so to deal with

(47:11):
you know, the conversations we're going to have going forward
and we have already. So you just there's got to
be respect for some rules because otherwise a democracy, you know,
you've got to be able to have proper conversations in
a parliament without it just degenerating and too you know,
fisticuffs ultimately is what you're seeing some other parliaments around
the world, and you know, we just don't need any
of that. We just need to say, look, it's a
good time for us to review it. We've got a

(47:33):
new generation of politicians in the Parliament. But we equally
people have to respect the rules.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
Is there a role for the Privileges Committee And to
the extent that they have incredible power theoretically they never
use it, should they?

Speaker 23 (47:47):
Yes, it's ultimately again a decision for the Speaker, and really,
as Prime Minister running the executive I can't really comment
too much about that because it's really his decision. But
that's why you know, we as a National party, for example,
wrote to him to say, look, you know, we need
to revisit what's going on because we can't have disruptions
like that when we're trying to Yeah, I appreciate people

(48:08):
feel strongly about it, but there's still rules. Otherwise you
just never get anything done. If that's just how it degenerates.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
So what's your view? What's your view of what this
country has looked like to the world in the last
week with all the lobbies sharing it on social media
going yes, Queen look at New Zealand, go do we
look good or do we look bad? Look I don't.

Speaker 23 (48:29):
I mean, I've been just come back from Apec and
to be honest, it wasn't raised with me by any
of the leaders and I'm not sure they actually saw it,
to be honest, I know, we very sense.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
To believe they didn't, because according to Wherever, hundreds of
millions of people all over the world apparently have seen it.

Speaker 3 (48:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (48:44):
Well, look, I mean, there's no doubt about it. Look,
it's an emosive issue of which there are strong views
on all sides around treaty. There always has been in
New Zealand and there always will be. But the key
thing is that in the ark about history, we keep
wrestling with it. I just think you know, what I've
said to you and others is that you know the
bottom line for us as a national party is I
just don't think the Treaty Principal's Bill's quite a simplistic

(49:08):
way to sort of at a stroke of a pen.
You've said that about a home and we shall some times. Yeah,
but we should pick up the issues like we have
around unwinding co governments and public services, around three wards
of the Maori Health Authority or MECCA or the Marii Awards.
That's what we've been doing. You take an issue by issue,
case by case and your way through it.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
And I just don't think this, Well there was money. Yeah,
that was my next question. How much of the protest
do you reckon was about the Principal's Bill versus the
other stuff that you have engineered that Mauri feel agreed about.
I'm sure there was a piece of it.

Speaker 23 (49:38):
I mean, it did seem to be pretty focused on
the treaty Principal's bill, and you know that was the
dominant conversation from what I could pick up what people
were articulating. The reality is, you know, we have been elected,
We've come to power because we want to be able
to improve outcomes from Maria and non Maori. And you know,
there has been as I said this morning, till another
media outlet like we haven't had a conversation about that

(49:59):
only twelve percent of our Mary students are where they
need to be going to high school on mathematics.

Speaker 2 (50:04):
We have done a hell of a lot of the
you know, the statue want they they're not interested in that.
They're the retention seekers that unless you give them the
keys to the country, they're not interested because that's what
they're after, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (50:20):
Well.

Speaker 23 (50:20):
I mean, I do think they'd become incredibly separate us
in recent years, and that's been a change in the
cheft from the mighty Party of old that John Key
could work with and versus one that we have today.
But you know, that's the thing is, you know, Frankly,
you know, Mike, when you take a step back, Marty
want higher incomes, they want better housing, they want to
be less victims of crime, they want better school attendance
and academic outcomes.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
They want hire giving them the keys to the country
so they can run their own country and their own
parliament and their own world. That's what they want.

Speaker 23 (50:48):
Yeah, well that doesn't work because what we need to
tell so.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
In the ensuing period it's up to you to either
do something as Prime Minister or give up, because never
the twain shall. I mean, what you saw yesterday was
not a discussion. It's not a debate. There's no nuance,
there's no subtlety. They don't care, they're not interested. They
want the keys to the country. And then given they're
not going to get it, where do we go.

Speaker 23 (51:12):
Yeah, well we're not going to get it because it's
not going to pass, it's not going to come law.
But the bigger issue is that's what we should be
focused on, is you know, that's why I said the economy,
the public services, the law and order, that's the agenda
for New Zealand, whether you're Maori or non Mary, because
it turns out we all want the same things. And
you know that's my conversation with EE leaders is you know,

(51:32):
why aren't we having more of those conversations, and in
fact we are you know, behind the scenes, there's been
some incredible work done on social housing where EWE government
and business have come together to sort out how we
get you know, pre built homes onto places and to
places that we need to get them to. And it's
exactly the kind of conversations we need to be having.
You know, what are we going to do about lifting
Maori educational achievement health outcomes? We need higher immunization rates

(51:56):
for Marii under two year olds, as we do across
the whole cont tvery frankly, but we also need that
amongst the Maori community as well, so that they want
the same things as all Kiwis. And honestly, the last
six years their outcomes went backwards under a so called
labor government with a much vaunted multi caucus, they didn't deliver.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
They did not deliver. Part of the problem. You need
to get onto the Waitangi Tribunal. You keep saying you're
going to look at it, but you haven't. Last week
they allegedly forced the Health Ministry to release unredacted reports.
What gives them the right to do that and doesn't
that add to the ongoing problem and belief that the
Waitangi Tribunal, if not the courts, are just an outlet

(52:34):
for aggrieved mari.

Speaker 23 (52:36):
Yeah, so, I mean we try and work with them
in good faith as best we possibly can. But look,
we campaigned on a set of policies and we're elected
to implement them, and you know that they can. You know,
there's a legitimate you know, as I said to you
before this, it's a legitimate question whether you're on all
sides of that debate that having worked our way through
the vast majority of treaty settlements, which is what the

(52:57):
Waitangi Tribunal was really set up to deal with in
a post settlement world, you've actually got a legitimate question
to ask about what should.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
Their role You're going to do something about.

Speaker 23 (53:06):
Well, we'll get there. That we've got forty three sections.
I'm trying to well, not I'm trying to get well,
no disrespect. I've had twelve months in this job. I've
had four quarterly plans. I work and pick the actions
we're going to go forward with each course one.

Speaker 2 (53:22):
We'll get this causing part of the problem. Every second
day I'm listening to the White Hanging tribunal, whine on
about another report and another issue in another problem, in
another case that goes nowhere but causes the angst that
leads to what we've seen in the past week.

Speaker 23 (53:37):
Yeah, so trust me, we'll get there. We'll deal with it.
But right now, the quarter I'm focused on is the
one to December thirty one, where I've got forty three
actions to get nailed, including gang patches and getting all
that stuff operationalized and some other things. When we do it,
we'll open it up, we'll deal with it properly, and
we'll work our way through it. But for right now, yeah,
I've got to focus on some other things to get
the economy moving, to get laur and order better, to

(53:59):
get better public services education in particular, So you know
we'll get that. But there is a genuinely legitimate question.
I don't care which side of the debate you're on.
You know that is I think of you. That's held
by many people on your radar.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
The skills visa numbers that came out the other day
barely over one percent of applications of people coming to
this country a skills visa. The Order to General says
we've got to improve that process. We've got to improve
it and make it slicker, but we're also get to get
more than two percent. Who the hell are the people
coming into the country. Yeah, look like ninety eight percent
of people coming into the country. You aren't you worried
about that? Given the most of the people are leaving
the country. You are young, bright people and they're off

(54:33):
to Australia if not Europe.

Speaker 23 (54:35):
Yeah, well, I mean first and foremost, that's what That's
exactly the point is that, you know, I kind of
want my kids and my grandkids ultimately to stay here
in his own because I think it's a place of opportunity.
That Yeah, and that's why I'm saying we've got to
work hard on you rebuilding economists. If you work hard
to get ahead, you've got to feel safe in your
family and your home. You've got to be able to
know your kids are going to get well educated, world
class education. You've got to know that your parents can
access healthcare. So you know, that's the work of the

(54:57):
government and that's our job, and that's what we're working
so hard around. And that's what as you know, in
the past, when we've seen Keewis leave and vote with
their fees because they don't think there is opportunity. We
have to build that back for New Zealand and we
are going to do that, and damn it, we are
working really hard to make sure we do exactly that.
On the Order to General report and the Immigration to Gods,
I haven't read the detail of all of that, but

(55:19):
I would just say, yeah, that is.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
Not looking good.

Speaker 23 (55:22):
We need to ensure we retain and attract these skilled people.
We know that skilled migrant careries keep part of that,
but clearly with that report that's saying that's not working.
And I know Erica Stanford, as our Immigration minister, is
reviewing those settings. He's made changes already to the credit
employer work visa settings earlier in the year, so there's
a lot more for us to do.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Clearly, I'm almost out of time. But speaking of Erica,
there's a court case in Australia that rule the faith
based organizations are not responsible for child sexual abuse and
certain circumstances in terms of payment in later years. Given
we're dealing with the same thing, are you going to
make face bathed based organizations pay and if so.

Speaker 23 (56:02):
How Yeah we are because they need to be completely
you know, stand up and own what they did.

Speaker 2 (56:09):
And if they go to court and they get the
same decision in New Zealand as they got in Australia,
what are you going to do then?

Speaker 23 (56:15):
Yeah, well I think it'd be pretty dumb if they
go to court, to be honest, because they have a
responsibility of We've written a letter to them all and
frankly we're expecting them to show up and actually work
through the redress process and make significant contributions and own
their own their history as well. So yeah, I'm pretty
tough on that in the sense of my expectations are
pretty non negotiable.

Speaker 2 (56:36):
There appreciate time Christopher lux and Prime Minister thrive away
from it.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
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Speaker 3 (56:46):
A'd be.

Speaker 2 (56:48):
Mike Luxem's done a lot of good work on the economy, education,
crime in other areas, but he's completely misread the race
and separatism issue facing our country. I tend to agree.
Next couple of poles. Interesting back to radio and New
Zealand quote unquote every business Radio New Zealand spoke to
supported the cause, the cause being the Hecory yesterday with
staff saying they weren't bothered about the temporary loss of customers. Initially,

(57:12):
at first blush, you think, what crap. Surely, how many
businesses did they talk to? What have we heard from
businesses in Wellington for the last year or so? Pipes
are bursting, endless road works, can't get customers. Working from home,
stopped the reforming of the Golden Mile. I'm going out
of business. I'm closing my door. I can't find workers.

(57:33):
We're not making money, but all of a sudden, when
a protest comes to Wellington, we don't mind losing money
all day long because it's a great cause. Victoria Linton
Bailey Nelson Willis Street, which as far as I can
work out, is an optometrist. I think this is an
incredibly important moment in our history. Carown Holland, who runs
a gift shop Wat's on Willis. It is just part
of what we do as a country. Capricorn Spirit owner

(57:55):
Susan Cameron. She'd opened her Storre's toilet for the public use.
I'm not worried about sales. We've got to tell Parliament
as a whole country that we do not stand for this.
Dixon Street coffee shop, swimsuit rushed off their feet, which
was the only person who was doing well. They were
selling coffee. So what's the artworking of this? Eh, it's
more in a moment seven away from eight.

Speaker 5 (58:15):
The cost breakfast.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
So we are to take Radio New Zealand at their word.
Every business they spoke to supported the course, which makes
Wellington unusual. I would argue, what's on willis? I looked up?
They sell bird cushions and nude body candles. So I'm
suggesting maybe Radio New Zealand looked up maybe that was
the sort of business they went to, knowing probably they

(58:39):
support a hecoy Capricorn spirit sells crystals, oh not alcohol, No,
and Bailey Nelson is optometris. So so are we saying
they went to unusual nude candle shops and the nude
candle shop owner may well support the sort of hecoy.

Speaker 12 (58:56):
Are they candles to be used on nude bodies?

Speaker 2 (58:59):
No, they're they're the s shape of a new body.

Speaker 12 (59:01):
And every ennis leading business names.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Very very But so what do we make out either?
So if we take Radio in New Zealand at the word,
and this is where the suspicion of the media in
general comes from. When they say every business we spoke to,
how many you speak to? One hundred or three? And
if it was all three, were there three weird businesses
and ones you deliberately targeted? Or indeed are you right?
And the reportage is fair and balanced? And indeed Wellington

(59:26):
was fully behind business included with no tills ringing. They
were fully behind yesterday's protest. So in there is the answer.
I can't fully give you, but little feature and what's
that program on the weekend they do on media? Well
beyond media, you watch that'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
I reckon, we'll probably be able to pick this one,
wouldn't we?

Speaker 12 (01:00:05):
No check out up And again it happened.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
I personally never as despite the fact that I'm the
biggest country music fan in the history of the world,
I've never been a massive Dwight Yoakum fan. And you
could be justified asking what ever happened to Dwight Yoakum?
And I've got the answer. According to this he slipped
off the raider slipped off the raider. There is what
happened to twenty sixteen swimming Pools movie Stars Beverly Hillbillies.

(01:00:31):
From Swimming Pools Movie Stars Beverly Hillbillies. Anyway, Yoakum stopped,
stepped away from recording, focused on live work, came back
now this moment with twenty twenty fours brighter days. Most
of us written during COVID was and Everything, first album
after wedding his longtime girlfriend and becoming a new father.

(01:00:56):
And he's got winded up a bit, who's got a
new optimism performing the title track and female fresh possibility
charging through the performances.

Speaker 3 (01:01:07):
Flight blah blah.

Speaker 2 (01:01:09):
Fourteen tracks and a very very value for money given
it's close to Christmas. Fifty four and a half minutes
work of Dwight Yoakum music. It is eight minutes past
day Politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with us along with Ginny Anderson.
Good morning to you both.

Speaker 15 (01:01:23):
Good morning, Mike, morning, Jenny, Good morning, Mark, Good morning, Mike, Genny.

Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
Have you got any Rhodes scholars on the Justice Select Committee?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
I'm looking at the list of names. Who's who's your
brightest member apart from nations?

Speaker 15 (01:01:34):
Doctor so he might ask squeakend. Yeah, he's been a lecturer, Duncan.

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
Web useless cabinet minister according to Audrey Young, but coming
back for a strong finish.

Speaker 15 (01:01:45):
Well, I think you're going to need more skills than
Rhodes scholarship to handle some of the issues that will
be thrown at that committee. It'll be a tough time.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Indeed, who's the weak link there?

Speaker 15 (01:01:55):
I think, Oh goodness, where would I start. I think
it's going to be really hard to cheer it if
things get right.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
So Mega's in for a tough time. James Meaghan, I think.

Speaker 15 (01:02:05):
He will be in for a tough time.

Speaker 2 (01:02:07):
Great opening never been heard from.

Speaker 15 (01:02:09):
Since I've cheered that committee myself, and and I know
from experience through tough bills that it can be hard,
and this will be that, I'd say, the hardest one.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
I reckon, what what's this Jamie Arbuckle like Deputy chair.

Speaker 15 (01:02:22):
Oh, he's pretty quiet. He makes a good morning tea.
I'll say that when it's his turn.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Good on the morning teak Taku tar Ferris Tucker's is good.

Speaker 15 (01:02:33):
Yeah, he's I reckon, he's going to go only character. Well,
it will be interesting to see how it plays out
because you will have people you have Hobson's pledge who
pro the bill, You'll have groups that are empty. So
it will depend on how they come, how they present themselves.

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
The whole thing where you said you can't swear, Do
you think that's going to come to pass or do
you think you're dreaming?

Speaker 24 (01:02:54):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:02:54):
I think that will come to pass. That's unparliamentary language,
So I do.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
So I was dancing on the floor. But that didn't
stop them, did it.

Speaker 17 (01:03:01):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:03:01):
Well, I think also at the age wherein now we
have zoom a lot more and so one around the
country instead of coming in. So if someone is it's
a lot easier to handle a submission that gets out
of hand if it's on his own call.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
Mark, do you feel you strike me? I mean, I
know you reasonably well, I guess, but do you do
you strike me as a sort of a person who
doesn't mind a bit of decorum and manners. I mean,
what we're seeing at the moment is not good for
this country.

Speaker 4 (01:03:27):
Is it?

Speaker 15 (01:03:28):
No?

Speaker 5 (01:03:28):
And that's what we raise our kids.

Speaker 25 (01:03:30):
I mean, you know, I know it sounds very simplicit,
but my mum raised me to treat others as how
you'd have them treat you, and I think that we
should apply that to the House. It doesn't mean that
you can't be robust debate, but there should be decorum
and people should treat each other with respect. I don't
like when it becomes personally. I don't think there's any
need for that. I think in terms of the Select Committee,

(01:03:50):
Jones Megan will do an outstanding job of cheering that
that's a good committee. Having been a Select Committee cheer myself.
He will enforce and make sure that there is a
standard behavior that is expected and if that is not meant,
then he will just see quite something else to submit
us to leave the committee.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
And that's the end of that. You guys, Ginny, I
know you don't speak on behalf of the whole party,
But to Mip Clark in terms of suspension and voting
for you guys sided with her? Why and do you
run a very real risk of being tainted and associated
permanently with a bunch of radicals.

Speaker 15 (01:04:22):
We stand against what David Seymour's bill proposes to do
and stand against the racial division that it causes in
New Zealand, and we would like the Prime Minister to
show some leadership and shut that down. Imagine this. Imagine
if a Luxeen got up one day and said, actually,
this is causing New Zealand hurt, this is dividing us. David,

(01:04:45):
we don't want this bill to proceed through six months
at Select committee. Do you really think that David Seymour
is going to say I'm going to be a deputy
prime minister in about you know, four or five months,
but I'll give all that up and split the government.
I mean, he's not going to walk away. So I
think this demand that lucks and shows some leadership in
a situation that's causing our country a lot of pars.

Speaker 2 (01:05:05):
Okay, so no, that's your stance and I take that accepted.
But it might be Clark's case. You didn't vote to censure.

Speaker 3 (01:05:11):
Why not.

Speaker 15 (01:05:13):
We stand with the view that the way this bill
has proceeded, we do not like it. So we believe
position rule.

Speaker 25 (01:05:21):
You're supported disorder in the House.

Speaker 15 (01:05:24):
What we are supporting is that the way the House
is run is unacceptable and the ongoing issues that have
been undermining the Maori, not just the Maori Party, but
the Marori people. I listened to Christopher Luxen on the
radio this morning and he said, well that we you know,
he doesn't like the bill even though it's proceeding to

(01:05:45):
six months at Select Committee. But he'll continue with doing
things such as they've disestablished the Maori Health Authority, they've
done a whole range of other things like removing Maori
language from government departments. He'll continue with doing. He thinks
that's far more effective way of addressing the issue of Well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
That still doesn't answer the question why you didn't sense
since you might be Clark.

Speaker 15 (01:06:07):
Because we believe that what they're doing is wrong and
we want to tend again.

Speaker 2 (01:06:11):
So it doesn't matter what the Mallori Party do in
the Parliament. Break all the rules, no problem, that's good
with you.

Speaker 15 (01:06:17):
I did not say that. I said, in that particular
instance that you raised when we had a bill going
through this house, that Luxon has the power to stop,
but it's not going to take that.

Speaker 25 (01:06:26):
We believe except what you are saying, though you're saying
that chaotic or disrespectful behavior in the House of Representatives
is acceptable.

Speaker 15 (01:06:33):
I did not say that. I think you're putting words
to my mouth.

Speaker 24 (01:06:36):
Mark.

Speaker 15 (01:06:39):
Would you like me to answer.

Speaker 2 (01:06:42):
You answered it from the we don't like the policy.
I get that, everyone gets that, but you're not the one. Well,
some of you guys actually were breaking the rules in
the house. Why why is that acceptable?

Speaker 15 (01:06:52):
Because we're standing against a position we feel incredibly strongly
about and that's the Treaty of White Toy Principles Bill.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
So is that is that your marker? If you feel
incredibly strongly about something, you can break.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Any rule the rules.

Speaker 15 (01:07:07):
Yep, this would We will not be breaking the rules
and we have not done that over a number of them,
was there but this issue, this issue bought fifty thousand
people peacefully out the front of Parliament. He said, that's
how strongly people feel about it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:22):
Okay, listen, hold on over yeah as New Zealanders. Okay,
brief break more on the moment. Jinny Anderson, Mark Mentell
fourteen Past.

Speaker 1 (01:07:30):
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Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
It be seventeen past eight make Mitchell, Jinny Anderson, Marke.
The problem with Shane Jones and Jerry Browne and all
of the standing orders thing is is I mean, can
they actually for a party Maray that don't mind having
their pay suspended or they love attention? So what can
standing orders do if they wanted to do something that
would actually be effective.

Speaker 25 (01:07:54):
Look, I don't know that is a very good question,
because I agree with you. I don't think that at
the moment they care about any sanctions that will be
applied in our parliament. They just think that they can
do what they like, behave like the way that they
want to intimidate whomever they want. And it just astounds
me and amazes me that you've got a senior member
of the Labor Party on the show with us saying
that we support that and that if you feel passionate

(01:08:16):
about something, you can break the rules. And if we
all applied that rule in this country, we'd live in chaos.

Speaker 15 (01:08:22):
Yes, I see you're coming from Mark like, I just
like to acknowledge that I do see your point. But
the point that I don't think that your understanding is
this means a lot to a lot of New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
A lot of stuff brings a lot of stuff to
New Zealanders. We don't all take the law into our
own hands and go nuts.

Speaker 15 (01:08:41):
Brought this brought over fifty thousand people out the front
of Parliament to peacefully march to say that we want
a treaty of WAITANGI. We've signed it up as two people.
It does mean that it's a partnership. And I want
to bring up my children in a country that has unity,
not division.

Speaker 2 (01:08:56):
And we want to bring up in our children in
a country where law isn't taken into it. There is
respect and dignity, and some morals, and some professionalism and
some adult behavior.

Speaker 5 (01:09:05):
Especially mean mere lawmakers.

Speaker 25 (01:09:06):
I mean, it's just incredible that you completely agree.

Speaker 15 (01:09:09):
I completely agree, you don't agree, But why does not
Christopher Luxon have the same standard in terms of the
way he's treating the parliamentary process, which is an absolute shocker.
He is absolutely disrespecting our parliamentary process by putting a
built to select committee that he has no intention of
voting for at the second reading. He's wasting our time,

(01:09:30):
he's wasting taxpayers money, and he's making an absolute joke
of the system. That sort of behavior, that sort of
behavior elicits huckers in the House and ilicits fifty five
thousand people coming to the front steps of Parlement.

Speaker 25 (01:09:43):
That's what I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I completely refute that
that what your argument quite something is this, if you
feel strongly and passionately about something you get to break
the laws. And there's lots of people in this country
that feel very passionate and strongly about issues, Jinny, but you,
as a lawmaker, should be saying the laws are important,
the rules are important, we should all adhere to those.
But that's not what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (01:10:04):
You're passionate about.

Speaker 15 (01:10:05):
What you're saying. Mark, I don't know. I totally you
what you're saying. I totally you're saying. And what I
say to that is that Christopher Luxen is completely right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
We've heard what you said. But you know, Jenny, you
at no point except that Heneray, Willie Jackson, the Maori Party,
that's all acceptable as far as you're concerned, given the
circumstances in the specific case.

Speaker 15 (01:10:29):
This issue goes to the core of who we are
as New Zealand is and I'm proud to stand up and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:34):
Find and that's fine by you.

Speaker 15 (01:10:37):
If we are going to talk about rewriting the Treaty of.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
White we're not rewriting the treaty. See, this is part
of the problem. We are not writing the treaty you've got.
We are not rewriting the treaty. We are defining principles
that haven't been defined by the Parliament of New Zealand.

Speaker 15 (01:10:53):
You have forty Kings counsel lawyers who are that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Not that's not rewriting the treaty.

Speaker 15 (01:10:59):
By writing the principles you are.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
You're not rewriting the principles either. You're defining the principles
by the Parliament of the country.

Speaker 15 (01:11:09):
Yeah. Well, I think you need to disagree on that
because it is rewriting.

Speaker 5 (01:11:13):
Micha is right about that.

Speaker 25 (01:11:14):
But it comes back to the point. You know, I
think you need to go back to have a serious
talk with Chris and say we've got this terribly wrong.
We shouldn't be advocating, we shouldn't be supporting that. If
you feel passionate about passionate about an issue, you can
break the laws, you can intimidate people, you can threaten people.
These that that is completely counterintuitive to the messaging that.

Speaker 15 (01:11:33):
We should what you're what you're supporting bill has driven
racial division in New Zealand and that lends at national
parties feet. But what you've done by enabling this.

Speaker 25 (01:11:43):
To feel that trying to stake that up and.

Speaker 15 (01:11:46):
We want to shut it down. We don't want it
to be committee we don't want it to go to
select commit you should should the party that you should.

Speaker 25 (01:11:54):
You should be a responsible, serious political party and take
a very firm stand and support this the Speaker of
the House and making sure that the rules are obeyed,
because if they aren't obeyed there then what does it signal?
Does that send to the rest of the country.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
Good discussion. Nice to see you, guys, Mirke, Mitchell, Ginny
Anderson eight twenty.

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Speaker 5 (01:13:14):
Pasking.

Speaker 2 (01:13:15):
That's not how you stand up against something that I
can do what I like, Mike, there's a lot of
that coming in as you can imagine. Mike Anderson says
national separatist who created separate Health, Separate Mary, separate Murray Watts. Yes,
it was them. I think Ginny needs to think that
maybe there is a silent majority out there. Interesting point,
I mean, and goes, there's hundreds of them, as you
can imagine. So she's on the committee and this is
not to personally attack her, but and forget our views

(01:13:38):
on whether you support the Treaty Principles bill or not.
Just let's deal with fact for a moment. The fact
is we are not rewriting the treaty and that's a
very clear statement of fact, it's irrefutably true. And yet
she just said it's the rewriting of the treaty and
she is on the Justice Select Committee. So if she
genuinely believes that, which I hope she doesn't because she's wrong,

(01:13:59):
that that's the sort of what Then I asked the
simple question, what's the point of a select committee? What's
the point of going along and arguing, look ed, we
need to define principles as set by a Parliament because
we've never done it. And she's going and she's sitting
there thinking you're rewriting the treaty when you're not. If
you start from a position of flaw or fault, how
do you possibly go forward? And how many other people

(01:14:20):
on that committee have made the same mistake or not
read the principle's bill, or don't understand what they're overseeing,
and therefore the whole thing's are complete and utter waste
of time. Let's go to Australia after the news. So
much going on in Australia, we're not going to have
time to cover it at all. But the best in
the business, Steve Prices, but moments away. You're a News
Talk SEDB.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Your trusted source for news and fuse the my Asking
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Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
This is out of Australia, but the ASB, which are
the subsidiary of the Commonwealth Bank and Australia, the Commonwealth
Bank being the biggest bank in Australia. Seven minutes million customers.
Who the biggest spenders at the moment in the economy.
They're the under forties. No, they're not the slash they're spending.
It is the forty pluses, So forty to forty nine
year olds spend more than anybody else. Gen x's followed

(01:15:12):
by baby boomers. Millennials are spending the least those under
forty of SLASH, they're spending over sixty. They're spending a
bit more the over sixties, but not as much as
the forty to forty nine year olds. Three thousand, four
hundred and forty three dollars on average a month is
what you're forty to forty nine year old Australia's spending
three four hundred and forty three. If you compare it

(01:15:34):
to a boomer born between nineteen fifty five and sixty
four twenty nine hundred dollars a month. That's fifteen hundred
dollars a month difference. It's a lot, isn't it. Twenty
three minutes away.

Speaker 1 (01:15:44):
From nine International correspondence with ends in eye Insurance Peace
of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Speaking of boomers, the advice how are you well mind?

Speaker 22 (01:15:53):
Millennials spend less than meek because I paid for everything?

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
Yes exactly. Isn't that one of the great lessons of life?
Ellen Jones? Where do you think this goes? Because they
added a couple yesterday, a couple of charges yesterday, and
they're looking for more people to come forward, and one
imagines there will be people coming forward.

Speaker 22 (01:16:10):
Yes, well, what I should say? I worked with Jones
for a long time, filled in and did his radio
program for a long time, and so I know him
pretty well. There's always been discussion, rumors, but the police
have been working very hard on this. They had a
task force on it after the Cidney Monty held a
year ago reported allegations of inappropriate behaviors. As you know

(01:16:33):
and have been reporting. I'm sure he's now been charged.
Two more charges announced yesterday. The police said that was quote.
Following through the legal advice, Jones has been charged with
an extra two counts of assault with an active indecency
relating to a night alleged victim. The complainants now include
a prominent olympian, a seventeen year old and several men
who were under his employee. Now we should point out

(01:16:56):
his lawyer said he denies any misconduct, his innocence in court.
Where it goes well, it goes back to court on
the eight eighth of December. My other colleague from t
GB and I would describe him as a friend of mine.
Ray Hadley on Are yesterday entered he may provide evidence
in the case against Alan Jones. But at the same

(01:17:17):
time two very prominent Australians, one being the former promenister
John Howard and the other being James Packer, the son
of Kerry Packer, both said that they stick by their friend,
They would allow the court process to play out, but
that he still has their support. You've got to say
it's one of the most high profile cases of its
type that we've ever seen Asia, and probably lucky never

(01:17:40):
to see again.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
If it turns out poorly for Ellen Jones. Probably one
of the greatest falls from grace Ever, wouldn't.

Speaker 22 (01:17:47):
It be very easily?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (01:17:50):
I mean we have had high profile Australians previously end
up in prison, most notably probably Alan Bond. But I
would describe it, I would compare it to the now
and Bond type example. Bond of course was a big
air owned half the country, breweries and all sorts of things.
He ended up in prison. It will have to wait

(01:18:12):
and see. But if Allen has found guilty of what
he's been charged with, he will do time in jail.
And he is eighty three.

Speaker 2 (01:18:19):
Years old, exactly Chris Bowen, so was he a Copp
as well? How many people you have a cop?

Speaker 22 (01:18:26):
Well, we had two senior misters at Copp, but Bowen
was the most senior. Is the environment minister. And I
think Australians has got every right to wake up this
morning and go okay, confusion's over here. Now we're going
to have an election in a few months. If you
vote for the Coalition, you're voting for a country that
realizes it has the energy to build nuclear power plants

(01:18:46):
to keep the lights on, or you're voting for the
government who believes all of your energy can come from renewables.
Bowen yesterday he has had to defend outlaw lawing nuclear energy.
So what happened was we're in this agreement with the
YUK and US nuclear submarines. They have them, we want them.
We're going to service them here, we're going to build
them here eventually. So we're going to have a nuclear industry.

(01:19:09):
So Ed Milliband, who was the Energy Minister for the UK,
he comes out and says, oh, well, his country was
reversing a legacy of no nuclear being delivered and moving
forward they were going to advance their nuclear energy reactive
program and he included Australia in that. And Bowen came
out and said, hey, Yang, in a minute, we're not
having any part of that. And so now you've got

(01:19:30):
the situation where Bowen has been described as an embarrassment.
Peter Dutton has quickly jumped on all this said we
had become international embarrassment under the Albanizy government after we
refuse to sign this document. The Minerals Council Chief executive.
She said the refusal to renew membership of a key
international nuclear technology forum was a missed opportunity that undermines

(01:19:52):
the strength of our partnership. So I think I'm right.

Speaker 4 (01:19:56):
I know.

Speaker 22 (01:19:56):
I mean, now it's very clear, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (01:19:59):
And I sort of like about Dutton is he was
written off as unelectable, and yet he seemingly picked an issue.
And I'm reading a lot on nuclear at the moment.
I mean, we're never going to be nuclear here because
we're famously anti nuclear and we're sort of myopic about it,
and we can't get out of our own way, and
we've got the same problems you have, and we think
renewables are going to solve the problem and they aren't.
And we can't turn the lights on a winter, and

(01:20:20):
we want to host data centers and all that crap.
But at least you've advanced the cause to the point
where it's a genuine election issue and it may well
go in his favor.

Speaker 22 (01:20:30):
Yes, And if he wins, that's exactly what will happen.
We will have a nuclear industry.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
I mean.

Speaker 22 (01:20:34):
And the labor premiers in some of the states that
the mineral rich are really constructed, I mean, really conflicted
here because they want to do it, but their national
party of which they're a member, are saying, no, we
don't want any part of it. I mean if you
had Peter mallanaskus on the Premier of South Australia and
a truth serum, so yeah you did. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (01:20:54):
On a truth serum the Business Council. So here's the
thing I always like to hear about. Of course, there's
millions of us coming across to live in Australia. Australia
is not as flesh, Correct me if I'm wrong. It
is not as flash as some people might think it
as business wise and doing business in the economy.

Speaker 22 (01:21:11):
No, it isn't. And this is a very important report.
It was released yesterday by the Business Council, probably four
months out from an election. How's the language here? This
report said Australia is standing on a burning platform and
living standards will plummet unless labor slashes, taxes and industrial

(01:21:31):
relations red tape. It says, we will Australia will face
a crisis of aura households. This is for everyone thinking
of coming to live here for a households lower living
standards unless we have urgent action at statement said the
lever Because productivity is at lowest level in sixty years now.

(01:21:52):
You don't get any more terrifying or report than that
I don't think exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
Go well, makee ketchup next week. Appreciate it, Steve Price.
And just before we leave a strug where it's not
Australia's nuclear debate. Two things to read if you're into it,
BBC ran why Canada could become the next nuclear energy superpower.
They've seen what's bubbling. They are rich and high grade deposits.
Could become a nuclear superpower as soon as they pull
the trigger. They've got political issues around it like everybody else.
And the other one you want to read is SENBC.

(01:22:17):
Three Mile Island, which I've told you about before, is
about to restart. It could mark a turning point for
nuclear industry. They think now Constellation Energy is behind all
of this, and they've cut a deal. I can't remember
which one it is. I think it's Microsoft, but it's
certainly one of the big tech players. Big tech people
who run data centers are raither doing one of two things,

(01:22:37):
cutting deals with places like Three Mile Island, or they're
building their own many nuclear reactors. The world is moving
on with nuclear, whether we like it or not. Eight
forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:22:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
B Actually I said we leave Australia, but I lied.
The POLO is going to mention the very angsty too.
With immigration poll out yesterday, forty nine percent of Australians
believe immigrations too high, which is up from thirty three
in just a year. Everyone's worried about housing and the
economy and they link that to the migrant surge. There
are huge numbers unlike New Zealand, which we're not popular

(01:23:17):
anymore either with students or skilled people, the odd construction
workers turning up from Indonesia and China. But apart from that,
we're going to be going backwards. By I think the
middle to the end of next year, our overall net
migration number is going to be going backwards, such as
our unpopularity. It's the opposite in Australia. Scanlon Foundation. Australia's
social cohesion remains at its lowest level, which was reached

(01:23:40):
for the first time last year, then since two thousand
and seven, so fell apart last year, it's got even
worse now. Economy in housing sixty three percent of people,
as say, by far and away the biggest issue, and
they link it to migration. More people coming into the country,
buying the houses, taking the job, so we don't like it.
No issue has ever dominated as much as the economy
does in the life past couple of years. The first year,

(01:24:01):
Australians have been equally split between the number who think
immigration is too high and those believe it's about right.
Those who think it's about right, forty nine percent think
it's too late. So she's egy. By the way, if
you're not into nuclear, let me just update you on AI.
I think my forecast is coming right. The narrative from

(01:24:22):
Silicon Valley very good piece on CNN this morning. Narrative
from Silicon Valley is that the AI train has left
the station, and any smart investor had better hop on
before these products become super intelligent start solving all the
world's problems. Of course, they write, the key to that
narrative is the promise that large language models llm's keep
improving at an exponential rate. But we've got trouble. Some

(01:24:44):
of the leading language models appear to be hitting a wall.
A tech news outlet the information unnamed open AI employees.
Next flagship AIA model, which is called a Ryan, isn't
reliably better than its predecessor Bloomberg, Ryan fell short and
is so far not considered to be as big a
step forward. Reuters researchers at major AI labs have been

(01:25:05):
running into delays and disappointing outcomes. As always, it will
change things, but not as much as you think. Nine
Away from nine.

Speaker 5 (01:25:17):
Called the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover, the
news talks.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
He'd be Mike. The bigger fall from Grace Fan Jones
would be Ron Briley, wouldn't it? Is it bigger? I think?
I would argue Ron Briley was a titan of industry
and business and of course New Zealander now in Australia,
But I think Jones would be known by more people
in Australia than anybody else. Seven away from.

Speaker 1 (01:25:39):
Nine trending now with them Swarehouse the real House of Fragrances.

Speaker 2 (01:25:46):
So one of the great careers is coming to a close. No,
not mind Nadal, he is winding it up. He's out
last time for Spain. This is the Davis Cup Finals
they've begun today, lost as singles match, which is a
bit of inauspicious or auspicious? Is it inauspicious or aspecial?

Speaker 12 (01:26:00):
Well, it's an auspicious because it wasn't in auspicious.

Speaker 2 (01:26:03):
Correct. Nikes released an ad voiced by Phil Knight.

Speaker 24 (01:26:08):
Know Lis, when the dust settles, you'll know you've given
more than anyone, chased down every game, shot point and
put it all on the line for one more win,

(01:26:33):
not once, but every second, a minute, power.

Speaker 3 (01:26:47):
Day, Oh dear wife.

Speaker 2 (01:26:54):
And at the end it flashes up greatness. It only
takes everything. It's n I say, Phil mightt's a nice guy.
We interview and when do we have him on the
program a couple of years ago? Very nice guy. Then
we come to Roger Fedder, Rolf Harris, you're saying it's
a very good point. Actually it's probably true. We come
to Federer's letter.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
The mos.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
Rafoel and Nadel. I got a few things to share
before I maybe get emotional, he writes, this morning, Let's
start with the obvious. You beat me a lot more
than I imagined I beat you. You challenged me in
ways no one else could. On clay. It felt like
I was stepping into your backyard, and you made me
work harder than I've ever thought I could just to
hold my ground. You made me reimagine my game even

(01:27:40):
going so far as to change the size of my
racquet head hoping for an edge. I didn't know that,
and I'm a big tennis follower, and so that's a revelation.
I'm not very superstitious person, but you took it to
the next level. Your whole process, all those rituals, assembling
your water bottles like toy soldiers, information, fixing your hair,
adjusting your underwear, all of it the highest intensity. Secretly,

(01:28:01):
I kind of love the whole thing because it was
so unique.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
It was just so you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
We were both at the start of our journey and
it's one we ended up taking together twenty years later. Rappa,
I have to say what an incredible run you've had,
including fourteen French opens.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Historic.

Speaker 2 (01:28:16):
You made Spain proud, you made the whole tennis world proud. Raffer.
I know you're focused on the last stretch of your
epic career. We will talk when it's done. For now,
I just want to congratulate your family and team, who
all played a massive role in your success. And I
want you to know that your old friend is always
cheering for you and will be cheering just as loud
for everything you do next. Raffa that best always your fan, Roger,

(01:28:41):
isn't that nice as a whole bunch?

Speaker 3 (01:28:42):
More to it? Wasn't it?

Speaker 2 (01:28:44):
It's no, it's lovely? Was it Federer who had that
special final thing a couple about a year or so
ago that we watched and Agacy was there and they're
all there and it was really very, very emotional. We
are seeing, unfortunately, the end of what I think is
the golden era or a golden era of tennis, because

(01:29:06):
I go back to when I started following Rosewool and
Labor and those guys, and then you got your Federers
and your d Dhals and your Jimmy Connors and the greats,
and you look at who They've talked about it in
women's teens for years, but I mean, you look at
who's coming on. Who are the ones and ten years
time that are going to be passing out the other
side that we'll be looking at in.

Speaker 12 (01:29:25):
The same way that we I mean, there'll never be
another Several versus Hosking.

Speaker 2 (01:29:28):
There'll never be another Savile versus Hosking. Christ Church, Botanic Gardens,
grass courts ay. Those were the days and that is
us back tomorrow morning, as always, Happy days.

Speaker 5 (01:29:44):
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