November 24, 2024 • 11 mins
Andrew Saville and Guy Heveldt joined Mike Hosking to discuss Guy’s weekend of team golfing, TJ Perenara’s haka before the All Blacks’ 29-11 victory over Italy and the last test outings for Perenara and Sam Cane, the Wellington Phoenix’s and Auckland FC’s latest A-League outings, and Joe Schmidt’s Wallabies contract.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fellas.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Good morning to you, Yes, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Okay, we've got the virtual Director media screen up popping
up on our phone system. Anyway, I'm a sham. I
can't get guy because do you know what this is?
Andrew asked Guy where he finished in the golf tournament
he played in on Friday?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And was the golf tournament? Did you say where did
he finish?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Where'd you finish?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Guy?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I was a guy was part of the winning team
on Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Guy was referring to himself as third person.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And he looked at Thorough Readers Association Golf Day, part
of the social racing team. We shot five under off
the stick and we won.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We played and so in in teams golf, don't they
take they dropped the worst score, it counts for nothing.
So you did nothing?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
No incorrect, Andrew, there's where you're wrong. Firstly, Ambrose, so
you all hit off the tea and then you all
head off the next shot, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
You have to take four t shots from each person
and then the last two obviously can be from anyone. Yeah,
so yeah, makes it makes it slightly easier that you
(01:15):
essentially get four shots, four chances at the same shot.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
What was the course.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
At Clark's Beach out out south Southway?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Would you describe that as a Lynx course? Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Semi lynxy, I suppose out out beach area. I wouldn't
say it's a traditional Lynks course, but it's semi linksy.
It's a really, really nice course. It was in great
nick and isn't isn't that the call for money?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Isn't that the course with that couple were photographed?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Is that course? Andrew? The sixteenth? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You rushed, You're rushed out there to see if you
can send now, just to see, just to.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
See the terrain and see what it was like.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So this was on Friday?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Was it correct? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well for the job. The job now entails trips to
the Melbourne Cup, the odd appearance at race meetings and
boozy golf dates. Is that the job these days?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And it's much and it's much better than sitting next
to you.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I can see, right, let's deal with Andrew. You're at
your first and we'll move it as quick as peranara
right or wrong? Yes or no, big deal or not.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Look, I don't have a major personally, I don't have
a major with it. Look, TJ. Petinada has always fronted
on his heritage. He's always been strong in his beliefs,
whether it's on social media, where it's and interviews and
Mike so often from a reporting point of view, so
often we complain that these guys are robots and they
say nothing. So I don't think you can have it
(02:44):
both ways. However, I think you've got to draw the
line somewhere at least. Apparently he went to management and
the players knew about it, and the management knew about it,
didn't spring it on yep.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
What's your view going?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I think that last point is fairly pertinent, that he
didn't just go and do it himself. I'm slightly different.
I think, as say said, TJ. Peinada has always spoken
up for his beliefs, and I think on the whole
or every other time, he's done it very very well,
and he's done it in the right way. I'm not
overly comfortable within I'm not up in arms about it,
(03:20):
but I'm not sure. The hucker, something that's been a
tradition for over one hundred years for the All Blacks,
has kind of been something that's globally recognized. I don't know,
whatever you want to call it, a recognized thing that
they do before the game. I'm not sure that's the
right place for it, particularly in the day and age
(03:41):
where players have their profiles on social media all that
sort of stuff where they can put out their beliefs,
whatever it might be. I'm just not sure the Huck
is the right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Place for his actions have become passed. But yeah, his
actions have become bigger than the game, and I think
that's where.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I think it's a shame it's taken away.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
From, but it was always going to from.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, from it's taken I think there's been an overreaction.
Look again, personally, I don't mind it. It's taken away
though from Sam Kaine's last game. It's taken away from
the fact that the All Blacks had an ordinary performance.
That's that's that's also key as.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well, do they have an ordinary performance Andrew because they're
a bit bored and they're looking forward to coming home.
And it was only because we are actually quite good.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
No, you're playing off the back of those three giant
weeks in London, Dublin and Paris. You've got one foot
on the plane. No, matter what the players say, I
think the back of their minds, you know, they're looking
forward to the beach of the fig and break or
whatever they want to do, and that and that plays,
and apparently it was very very cold and very very
damp and slippery, which might have contributed to some of
(04:44):
the drop ball in some of the ears. But I
just it looked like a jaded sort of performance.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's almost like it's a winter sport, really, isn't it
a little bit a little bit wet and a little
bit cold. Yeah, I was disappointed. I had that vibe
about it that you have sort of turned it on
specifically to watching you thought, that's a shame. Where where guy?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
To us?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I mean, Sam kin is part of his problem is
he's not a personality, is he? And I think you
know when you look at all black captains and you
look at the you know, the obvious ones, then I
just can't work out where he sits in the grand
scheme of things.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think part of Sam Kaine's problem, and it's not
Sam Kaine's problem, but part of how we might look
back on Sam Kaine's career, or how we look back
on it now, is that he had to follow straight
after Richie mccaugh exactly, who is as an absolute you know,
our greatest, arguably our greatest All Black of all time.
Sam Kaine is an excellent player, a very very good
player who has played over one hundred tests for the
(05:37):
All Blacks. You're not You're not a bad player. If
you play over one hundred tests for the All Blacks,
not many people get to do that. So I think
we should look back on his career as one of
the best. He's not he's not Richie mccaugh. With respect
to him, he's not a Richie mccaugh, but he is
an excellent All Black.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What's you view on Sam kin Andrew, Yeah, I'm please
ask me, Mike.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think, bottom line, he's outstanding bloke. I've always got
on with him well and despite what's been said and
written about him, particularly on socials, up for that World
Cup when he was sent off, I think he was
an outstanding player. You look at that Irish quarter final
when the All Blacks one at the World Cup, he
was he was amazing, outstanding defensively. He's always been more
(06:19):
of a defensive type player and this guy said he
had to follow on for Ritchard mcaurt, who was on
a hiding from nothing. But for me, the bottom line
is always approachable, always willing to chew the fat, and
just a bloody good bloke.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Good tell me either of you why I was watching
yesterday the Phoenix play Melbourne in Sydney in front of
a crowd of no one.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
There's no one there. I didn't realize it was in Sydney.
It was it was hot about thirty degrees. Wasn't that
they were taking water breaks? Not hot there there? Well,
when it's hot, when you're it's hot when you're running
around playing football.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I saw the sign at the I thought, what, there's
something not right here. First of all, this is a
big stadium, because I think Melbourne played a different stadium.
I think where is this And so it turns out
at Eli End and it's in Sydney, and I can't
work out why Melbourne team and an Auckland team playing
Sydney and they've surprised.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Me more kiwi's. Maybe they thought they'd get more kiwis
to And then afterwards the name it was stupid.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It wasn't a part of like their equivalent.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's not like a magic round, is it is there?
Any magic of no one's around in forest? Is the
magic there if no one's there?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Asar from the NRL, I think sports have to give
up on that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Just yeah, the NRL makes the work. No one else does.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's too random. But I mean, now, listen, let me
ask you this thing. Guy, does the fact that the
Phoenix and Auckland are now the top two sides in
the comp mean the sport is somehow going to be
transformed in this country to something bigger than what it
has been to this point or pondering.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I was actually pondering that when I saw the table
myself after that had won, and I asked myself that question,
and I still don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Did you refer to yourself in the third person when
you asked yourself that question?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I thought them myself, Guy, what does guy make? Bloody?
Muhammad Ali Shutter.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I think it's got something to do with the growth
of football in this country. And I think that's slightly
evident by the numbers that have turned up to the
Auckland f C games and the Phoenix in Orkland. You see.
I believe play again very soon, maybe even next week's
time in Auckland and You've got to wonder that in
Auckland particularly, they'll probably get a very good crowd to that.
(08:31):
They're out top of the table. I think the first
team in a league history to have won its first
four games or something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And no one scored against them yet. Now, next question, Andrew,
in their debut season they win the title, does that
make them a Hellburg winner?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
M certainly certainly good nomination.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Not this year? Why because I think the black Caps
winning his series three nil in India and then probably
some of.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The islands, that's that's well, it's not a title. You
just won a series. That's not a title, a title
beach series.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No team in cricket had, even in cricket had ever
done that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Ever, well, no no football side ever entered a competition
and won the first year either.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I think there's a difference.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I reckon if you're a judging channel, you'd be the
weak link.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
As he was sitting on the judging panel, Mighty, where
he's guy, make of this? Who would go?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Clearly I wouldn't be the weak link because Andrew several
agrees with me.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think you'd hey, Mike, look, football's always had booming
numbers male and female at lower levels. Right, it's massive
at junior level. But I think there's always been a
drop off, like a lot of sport. But now that
they have two shop windows, pathways kids kids and pathways
to operate off. Make it to the phoenix, make it
talk and they've seen may be spotted by Premier League
(10:00):
team or a team from Europe or whatever. But you
know this this giving this is giving kids pathways a
little like basketball these days, which is booming. There's a
pathway to a possible college scholarship and pro team. You
know there is the pathways exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Hey, I read an article of Joe Schmidt right and
he's only contracted to the end of the lines to
and he's asking himself very much like you asked you
get yourself guy. He'll be going, Joe, do I sign
on to the World Cup? What should Andrew? What should
Joe Schmidt do?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think he should? Yeah, I think that gives him
a lot more time with this Wallaby team. We've seen
what he's already done in a short space of time,
despite massive protestations and an uproar in Australia. I think
he's done very rewarded and brilliantly should stay on.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
What does Guy think?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Guy, I'm never going to live that down. I think
he should and I think Rugby Australia should do whatever
they can to get him, because they says, look at
the improvements he's already made and with another what two
and a half years or so into the World Cup,
I think they could be a force at that tournament.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Great pleasure, Good to see you and we'll catch up
next week, Guy, he Belt and andrews Ell.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
News Talks at B from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio.
Fellas.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
Good morning to you, Yes, good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Okay, we've got the virtual Director media screen up popping
up on our phone system. Anyway, I'm a sham. I
can't get guy because do you know what this is?
Andrew asked Guy where he finished in the golf tournament
he played in on Friday?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
And was the golf tournament? Did you say where did
he finish?
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Where'd you finish?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Guy?
Speaker 3 (00:27):
I was a guy was part of the winning team
on Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Guy was referring to himself as third person.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
And he looked at Thorough Readers Association Golf Day, part
of the social racing team. We shot five under off
the stick and we won.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
We played and so in in teams golf, don't they
take they dropped the worst score, it counts for nothing.
So you did nothing?
Speaker 3 (00:53):
No incorrect, Andrew, there's where you're wrong. Firstly, Ambrose, so
you all hit off the tea and then you all
head off the next shot, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
You have to take four t shots from each person
and then the last two obviously can be from anyone. Yeah,
so yeah, makes it makes it slightly easier that you
(01:15):
essentially get four shots, four chances at the same shot.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
What was the course.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
At Clark's Beach out out south Southway?
Speaker 1 (01:24):
Would you describe that as a Lynx course? Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:28):
Semi lynxy, I suppose out out beach area. I wouldn't
say it's a traditional Lynks course, but it's semi linksy.
It's a really, really nice course. It was in great
nick and isn't isn't that the call for money?
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Isn't that the course with that couple were photographed?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Is that course? Andrew? The sixteenth? Oh?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
You rushed, You're rushed out there to see if you
can send now, just to see, just to.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
See the terrain and see what it was like.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Yeah, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
So this was on Friday?
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Was it correct? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well for the job. The job now entails trips to
the Melbourne Cup, the odd appearance at race meetings and
boozy golf dates. Is that the job these days?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
And it's much and it's much better than sitting next
to you.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
I can see, right, let's deal with Andrew. You're at
your first and we'll move it as quick as peranara
right or wrong? Yes or no, big deal or not.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Look, I don't have a major personally, I don't have
a major with it. Look, TJ. Petinada has always fronted
on his heritage. He's always been strong in his beliefs,
whether it's on social media, where it's and interviews and
Mike so often from a reporting point of view, so
often we complain that these guys are robots and they
say nothing. So I don't think you can have it
(02:44):
both ways. However, I think you've got to draw the
line somewhere at least. Apparently he went to management and
the players knew about it, and the management knew about it,
didn't spring it on yep.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
What's your view going?
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I think that last point is fairly pertinent, that he
didn't just go and do it himself. I'm slightly different.
I think, as say said, TJ. Peinada has always spoken
up for his beliefs, and I think on the whole
or every other time, he's done it very very well,
and he's done it in the right way. I'm not
overly comfortable within I'm not up in arms about it,
(03:20):
but I'm not sure. The hucker, something that's been a
tradition for over one hundred years for the All Blacks,
has kind of been something that's globally recognized. I don't know,
whatever you want to call it, a recognized thing that
they do before the game. I'm not sure that's the
right place for it, particularly in the day and age
(03:41):
where players have their profiles on social media all that
sort of stuff where they can put out their beliefs,
whatever it might be. I'm just not sure the Huck
is the right.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Place for his actions have become passed. But yeah, his
actions have become bigger than the game, and I think
that's where.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I think it's a shame it's taken away.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
From, but it was always going to from.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, from it's taken I think there's been an overreaction.
Look again, personally, I don't mind it. It's taken away
though from Sam Kaine's last game. It's taken away from
the fact that the All Blacks had an ordinary performance.
That's that's that's also key as.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Well, do they have an ordinary performance Andrew because they're
a bit bored and they're looking forward to coming home.
And it was only because we are actually quite good.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
No.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
No, you're playing off the back of those three giant
weeks in London, Dublin and Paris. You've got one foot
on the plane. No, matter what the players say, I
think the back of their minds, you know, they're looking
forward to the beach of the fig and break or
whatever they want to do, and that and that plays,
and apparently it was very very cold and very very
damp and slippery, which might have contributed to some of
(04:44):
the drop ball in some of the ears. But I
just it looked like a jaded sort of performance.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
It's almost like it's a winter sport, really, isn't it
a little bit a little bit wet and a little
bit cold. Yeah, I was disappointed. I had that vibe
about it that you have sort of turned it on
specifically to watching you thought, that's a shame. Where where guy?
Speaker 2 (05:02):
To us?
Speaker 1 (05:03):
I mean, Sam kin is part of his problem is
he's not a personality, is he? And I think you
know when you look at all black captains and you
look at the you know, the obvious ones, then I
just can't work out where he sits in the grand
scheme of things.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think part of Sam Kaine's problem, and it's not
Sam Kaine's problem, but part of how we might look
back on Sam Kaine's career, or how we look back
on it now, is that he had to follow straight
after Richie mccaugh exactly, who is as an absolute you know,
our greatest, arguably our greatest All Black of all time.
Sam Kaine is an excellent player, a very very good
player who has played over one hundred tests for the
(05:37):
All Blacks. You're not You're not a bad player. If
you play over one hundred tests for the All Blacks,
not many people get to do that. So I think
we should look back on his career as one of
the best. He's not he's not Richie mccaugh. With respect
to him, he's not a Richie mccaugh, but he is
an excellent All Black.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
What's you view on Sam kin Andrew, Yeah, I'm please
ask me, Mike.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I think, bottom line, he's outstanding bloke. I've always got
on with him well and despite what's been said and
written about him, particularly on socials, up for that World
Cup when he was sent off, I think he was
an outstanding player. You look at that Irish quarter final
when the All Blacks one at the World Cup, he
was he was amazing, outstanding defensively. He's always been more
(06:19):
of a defensive type player and this guy said he
had to follow on for Ritchard mcaurt, who was on
a hiding from nothing. But for me, the bottom line
is always approachable, always willing to chew the fat, and
just a bloody good bloke.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Good tell me either of you why I was watching
yesterday the Phoenix play Melbourne in Sydney in front of
a crowd of no one.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
There's no one there. I didn't realize it was in Sydney.
It was it was hot about thirty degrees. Wasn't that
they were taking water breaks? Not hot there there? Well,
when it's hot, when you're it's hot when you're running
around playing football.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I saw the sign at the I thought, what, there's
something not right here. First of all, this is a
big stadium, because I think Melbourne played a different stadium.
I think where is this And so it turns out
at Eli End and it's in Sydney, and I can't
work out why Melbourne team and an Auckland team playing
Sydney and they've surprised.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Me more kiwi's. Maybe they thought they'd get more kiwis
to And then afterwards the name it was stupid.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
It wasn't a part of like their equivalent.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
It's not like a magic round, is it is there?
Any magic of no one's around in forest? Is the
magic there if no one's there?
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Asar from the NRL, I think sports have to give
up on that.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Just yeah, the NRL makes the work. No one else does.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
It's too random. But I mean, now, listen, let me
ask you this thing. Guy, does the fact that the
Phoenix and Auckland are now the top two sides in
the comp mean the sport is somehow going to be
transformed in this country to something bigger than what it
has been to this point or pondering.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I was actually pondering that when I saw the table
myself after that had won, and I asked myself that question,
and I still don't know the answer.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
Did you refer to yourself in the third person when
you asked yourself that question?
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I did not.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
I thought them myself, Guy, what does guy make? Bloody?
Muhammad Ali Shutter.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
I think it's got something to do with the growth
of football in this country. And I think that's slightly
evident by the numbers that have turned up to the
Auckland f C games and the Phoenix in Orkland. You see.
I believe play again very soon, maybe even next week's
time in Auckland and You've got to wonder that in
Auckland particularly, they'll probably get a very good crowd to that.
(08:31):
They're out top of the table. I think the first
team in a league history to have won its first
four games or something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
And no one scored against them yet. Now, next question, Andrew,
in their debut season they win the title, does that
make them a Hellburg winner?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
M certainly certainly good nomination.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
Not this year? Why because I think the black Caps
winning his series three nil in India and then probably
some of.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The islands, that's that's well, it's not a title. You
just won a series. That's not a title, a title
beach series.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
No team in cricket had, even in cricket had ever
done that.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Ever, well, no no football side ever entered a competition
and won the first year either.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I think there's a difference.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I reckon if you're a judging channel, you'd be the
weak link.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
As he was sitting on the judging panel, Mighty, where
he's guy, make of this? Who would go?
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Clearly I wouldn't be the weak link because Andrew several
agrees with me.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
I think you'd hey, Mike, look, football's always had booming
numbers male and female at lower levels. Right, it's massive
at junior level. But I think there's always been a
drop off, like a lot of sport. But now that
they have two shop windows, pathways kids kids and pathways
to operate off. Make it to the phoenix, make it
talk and they've seen may be spotted by Premier League
(10:00):
team or a team from Europe or whatever. But you
know this this giving this is giving kids pathways a
little like basketball these days, which is booming. There's a
pathway to a possible college scholarship and pro team. You
know there is the pathways exactly.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Hey, I read an article of Joe Schmidt right and
he's only contracted to the end of the lines to
and he's asking himself very much like you asked you
get yourself guy. He'll be going, Joe, do I sign
on to the World Cup? What should Andrew? What should
Joe Schmidt do?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I think he should? Yeah, I think that gives him
a lot more time with this Wallaby team. We've seen
what he's already done in a short space of time,
despite massive protestations and an uproar in Australia. I think
he's done very rewarded and brilliantly should stay on.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
What does Guy think?
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Guy, I'm never going to live that down. I think
he should and I think Rugby Australia should do whatever
they can to get him, because they says, look at
the improvements he's already made and with another what two
and a half years or so into the World Cup,
I think they could be a force at that tournament.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Great pleasure, Good to see you and we'll catch up
next week, Guy, he Belt and andrews Ell.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
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