In the final Politics Wednesday of 2024, Labour’s Ginny Andersen and National’s Mark Mitchell joined Mike Hosking to dig into this week’s biggest political stories.
With just one sitting session left for the year, Parliament has shifted its focus to examining Government agencies for this year’s Scrutiny Week.
Ginny Andersen told Mike Hosking that it’s important to hold people accountable – if people are saying things that aren’t true, then they need to front up and explain where they got the numbers from.
Mark Mitchell agrees the week is a good idea.
He told Hosking that it’s another way of having scrutiny and transparency around what agencies are doing.
Mitchell says we've got one of the most transparent systems, and we should keep improving it.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It is time for politics Wednesday, make Mitchell Jinny Anders
some morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Ny.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Scrutiny week. I think last year came on this program
and spoke glowingly of it. Does year two live up
to plan?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I've only had one day yet, so a bit early
out the gates. But if we were able to invite
ministers to the Justice Committee, so in the opposition we
wanted to invite Minister of Police Nicole McKee's Firearms Goldsmith Justice,
we didn't get the opportunity to invite any of those ministers.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
So it's a bit of a fizzer out the gates already.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So I watched some of the financial stuff yesterday. It
seemed just a lot of back and forth bitching. Is
that all that goes on?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, it's important to hold them accountable. If people are
saying things that aren't true, then they need to front
up and explain where they got their numbers from. And
so with health, it's pretty shaky ground that you're trying
to basically manufacture a crisis and you've got newses on
strike already in pay rounds, so it's not looking pretty
for the health set.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
What do you think of scrutiny week. Generally, mate, I
think it's good.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I think it's another way of you know, I was
obviously having scrutiny and transparency around what agencies are doing.
All the chief executives are appearing in front of the committee.
It's no different between labor and government. I've appeared in
front of the committee, I will do again, and I'm
appearing in front of the one of the committees this
week in emmergency menagement. I think it's like I said,
I just think we've had but we've got one of
the most transparence systems and we should we should keep
(01:20):
improving that.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, the conference Jinny over the weekend, Isaac has they'd
a beautiful location.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, it's fantastic. This business of tax How is it
we built up to it last week, going mate, you
know we're going to have a talk about it, going
to have a vote on it, and then then it's
still we're not talking about it anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well, maybe your colleagues in the media could explain that
because we were always going to have a discussion. We
did have that discussion, and we've opted to take a
good look at those two options and do some further work.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So you voted to go forward with the idea.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
We're going to take a further look at both capital
gains and wealth text do the work on.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It, Yeah, okay, conducted.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
So there's a bunch of things in there.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Whether it's realized or unrealized, is in terms of where
it would sit, watch areas it would kept, what are
the flow on effects of either? So all those analysises
have to be done before you can come out of
the gate and stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
What about the charities thing that came out of the
Nicola Willis yesterday inscrutinly we're speaking, which she says she
might treat charities differently. You'd go along with that, wouldn't you.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, I think you have to be cautious about how
it was structured. I know Nikola Willis is scrambling to
find additional fund so there will be some sneaky Texes
that she'll be looking to do. So I'll be dubious
to see if this is one of those.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay, what do you reckon, Mark? I mean, would you
are you in favor of changing the tax on charities?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
The only one that does sneaky things around Texas is labor.
They are desperately trying.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
To find the tobacco dudes. That's pretty snaky.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They're desperately trying to find ways of texting keywys Water.
They're not convicted. They want Keys to sort of say
oh you no, no, we we're up for that, instead
of just living by the convictions. If they want a
texta country, we'll just come out and do it instead
of talking about it all the time. Look at and
in terms of other Texas, it's entirely up to Nicholas.
She is doing. Here is an awful economy with bonfires everywhere,
(03:08):
and we've been working fled out for a year to
get those damp down, get them sort of out, and
when we will and check on doing that might just
really cut them. Sorry, this is random because we're coming
up to Christmas. You are I promised, well, I promised
the o Tara Community Corrections.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Team all I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Say a huge Mike Hoskins fans And they asked me
to do it, and I said, he doesn't like me
doing this sort of stuff, but I s because it's Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, I do. You're right, Jenny, I do love it.
So sorry, So who is the Otara WAT.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's the o Tara Community Corrections Team. They're doing an
outstanding job around public safety. I was with them last
week and they said, please please can you can you
give us a share that we love Mike Hoskins.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
No, that's lovely now will you? Will you thank them
very much for me? Who have you met this week?
Jenny that loves me?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Who have I met? Well?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
There would have been a lot of people of the Isaac.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Can I say? Is that my mum is warming up
to you, believe it or not. I mean I come
from a strong socialist family, and my mom's starting to
listen to you. So you know you've got light years
of progress.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
When I'm all slowly one at a time. Mark, what's
your what's your what's your mother's name? Ginny Trisia Trisia
and health in west Auckland, Tricia of west Auckland. How
old is she without.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
An She's over seventy five.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Isn't that exciting that that at that stage of life
you can come to a realization that perhaps you've been
wrong all those years.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Dad, Not no, you haven't got dad? Sorry, Okay, but I.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Think I think I've taken it from this. Ye Jinny,
I think you're a bit of a listen to the
program reluctantly, aren't you?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, I listen.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know, I think it's a good way of staying
connected to the range of views. And I've always been
the belief that if you surround yourself with the same
views as everyone that you believe in all the time,
that makes you pretty boring. So you need to challenge
yourself and understand what other people's points of view are.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
There. You go, hey, Mark, would you move? Do you
think it is fair? Because I don't think we've got
a definitive answer this week from Louise or the Prime minister.
Is it acceptable to have to move town to find
a job?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Look, it depends on how much you want that job.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And look, yeah, but what the states sanction you if
they say, look, mate, you're here in the middle of nowhere,
small town, five hundred people, the mills closed down, the
road one hundred miles is work you got to go.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Look, that's a really that's a difficult one. I know
when I joined the police, I didn't have a choice.
I had to go where they needed me and where
the work was, and so that a lot of that
is around personal choice. So it's a really difficult one part.
So I think that look in terms of the mill,
I asked the police and said, look, get in and
do a recruiting drive at the in Canleeth because those
people are shift workers, are hard workers, they've got a
(05:50):
great work ethic. They'd make great police officers. So have
you even listening to this? We're recruiting, come and sign up.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
What about you, Ginny? I mean, obviously under your government
you didn't do it. Are you open to it?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I think I lived on Great Barrier Island when I
was young, and I remember a time after we moved
off the island that I think I'm pretty sure it's
international that they just stopped paying an employment benefit there
because if there wasn't employment the year and so a
lot of people did move out over that time, and
so I think it has been done in the past.
How strictly it's enforced is the question, because how do
(06:25):
you engauge how many jobs are there in the town
when there could be an opportunity if someone sticks around,
And then you have to weigh up the cost to
the taxpayer and the social cost of shifting house, taking
kids out of school, all of the social fragmentation that
happens off the back of that, so that needs to
be weighed up as well.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, Ginny, just quickly at the council. What happened yesterday,
broadly for it or not.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, I just have to see the problem is consistency
if you've got local boards making individual decisions about where
things go.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
In terms of transport.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I mean, I thought the whole point of a supercity
was to have coordination right across or cli metro. So
the riskers that you fragment it and don't have a
single standard, I.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Tend to agree. Mark, can you do us a favor?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, so Kaying Aura didn't even look at wall carpet.
They're gone with the nylon. The wall people said, the
wall people said they could compete on price. I thought
they were under instruction to support local product. Get some
wall in some houses. Can you find out what the
hell's going on there?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'll go and find out for you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Let's go go and sort that program. Anyway. Listen, you
go well for Christmas, and thank you for the year,
and we'll look for to your company in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Thank you, Mike, thank you for having us both.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
No worries, it all you go, well, both of you.
Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
It is time for politics Wednesday, make Mitchell Jinny Anders
some morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Ny.
Speaker 1 (00:05):
Scrutiny week. I think last year came on this program
and spoke glowingly of it. Does year two live up
to plan?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I've only had one day yet, so a bit early
out the gates. But if we were able to invite
ministers to the Justice Committee, so in the opposition we
wanted to invite Minister of Police Nicole McKee's Firearms Goldsmith Justice,
we didn't get the opportunity to invite any of those ministers.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
So it's a bit of a fizzer out the gates already.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
So I watched some of the financial stuff yesterday. It
seemed just a lot of back and forth bitching. Is
that all that goes on?
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Well, it's important to hold them accountable. If people are
saying things that aren't true, then they need to front
up and explain where they got their numbers from. And
so with health, it's pretty shaky ground that you're trying
to basically manufacture a crisis and you've got newses on
strike already in pay rounds, so it's not looking pretty
for the health set.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
What do you think of scrutiny week. Generally, mate, I
think it's good.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I think it's another way of you know, I was
obviously having scrutiny and transparency around what agencies are doing.
All the chief executives are appearing in front of the committee.
It's no different between labor and government. I've appeared in
front of the committee, I will do again, and I'm
appearing in front of the one of the committees this
week in emmergency menagement. I think it's like I said,
I just think we've had but we've got one of
the most transparence systems and we should we should keep
(01:20):
improving that.
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Okay, the conference Jinny over the weekend, Isaac has they'd
a beautiful location.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
Beautiful.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, it's fantastic. This business of tax How is it
we built up to it last week, going mate, you
know we're going to have a talk about it, going
to have a vote on it, and then then it's
still we're not talking about it anymore.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well, maybe your colleagues in the media could explain that
because we were always going to have a discussion. We
did have that discussion, and we've opted to take a
good look at those two options and do some further work.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So you voted to go forward with the idea.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
We're going to take a further look at both capital
gains and wealth text do the work on.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It, Yeah, okay, conducted.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
So there's a bunch of things in there.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
Whether it's realized or unrealized, is in terms of where
it would sit, watch areas it would kept, what are
the flow on effects of either? So all those analysises
have to be done before you can come out of
the gate and stuff.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
What about the charities thing that came out of the
Nicola Willis yesterday inscrutinly we're speaking, which she says she
might treat charities differently. You'd go along with that, wouldn't you.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Well, I think you have to be cautious about how
it was structured. I know Nikola Willis is scrambling to
find additional fund so there will be some sneaky Texes
that she'll be looking to do. So I'll be dubious
to see if this is one of those.
Speaker 1 (02:32):
Okay, what do you reckon, Mark? I mean, would you
are you in favor of changing the tax on charities?
Speaker 2 (02:38):
The only one that does sneaky things around Texas is labor.
They are desperately trying.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
To find the tobacco dudes. That's pretty snaky.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
They're desperately trying to find ways of texting keywys Water.
They're not convicted. They want Keys to sort of say
oh you no, no, we we're up for that, instead
of just living by the convictions. If they want a
texta country, we'll just come out and do it instead
of talking about it all the time. Look at and
in terms of other Texas, it's entirely up to Nicholas.
She is doing. Here is an awful economy with bonfires everywhere,
(03:08):
and we've been working fled out for a year to
get those damp down, get them sort of out, and
when we will and check on doing that might just
really cut them. Sorry, this is random because we're coming
up to Christmas. You are I promised, well, I promised
the o Tara Community Corrections.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Team all I mean, what are we doing?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Say a huge Mike Hoskins fans And they asked me
to do it, and I said, he doesn't like me
doing this sort of stuff, but I s because it's Chris.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Yeah, I do. You're right, Jenny, I do love it.
So sorry, So who is the Otara WAT.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's the o Tara Community Corrections Team. They're doing an
outstanding job around public safety. I was with them last
week and they said, please please can you can you
give us a share that we love Mike Hoskins.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
No, that's lovely now will you? Will you thank them
very much for me? Who have you met this week?
Jenny that loves me?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
Who have I met? Well?
Speaker 1 (03:54):
There would have been a lot of people of the Isaac.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
Can I say? Is that my mum is warming up
to you, believe it or not. I mean I come
from a strong socialist family, and my mom's starting to
listen to you. So you know you've got light years
of progress.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
When I'm all slowly one at a time. Mark, what's
your what's your what's your mother's name? Ginny Trisia Trisia
and health in west Auckland, Tricia of west Auckland. How
old is she without.
Speaker 4 (04:22):
An She's over seventy five.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
Isn't that exciting that that at that stage of life
you can come to a realization that perhaps you've been
wrong all those years.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Dad, Not no, you haven't got dad? Sorry, Okay, but I.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Think I think I've taken it from this. Ye Jinny,
I think you're a bit of a listen to the
program reluctantly, aren't you?
Speaker 4 (04:43):
Yeah, I listen.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
You know, I think it's a good way of staying
connected to the range of views. And I've always been
the belief that if you surround yourself with the same
views as everyone that you believe in all the time,
that makes you pretty boring. So you need to challenge
yourself and understand what other people's points of view are.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
There. You go, hey, Mark, would you move? Do you
think it is fair? Because I don't think we've got
a definitive answer this week from Louise or the Prime minister.
Is it acceptable to have to move town to find
a job?
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Look, it depends on how much you want that job.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
And look, yeah, but what the states sanction you if
they say, look, mate, you're here in the middle of nowhere,
small town, five hundred people, the mills closed down, the
road one hundred miles is work you got to go.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Look, that's a really that's a difficult one. I know
when I joined the police, I didn't have a choice.
I had to go where they needed me and where
the work was, and so that a lot of that
is around personal choice. So it's a really difficult one part.
So I think that look in terms of the mill,
I asked the police and said, look, get in and
do a recruiting drive at the in Canleeth because those
people are shift workers, are hard workers, they've got a
(05:50):
great work ethic. They'd make great police officers. So have
you even listening to this? We're recruiting, come and sign up.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
What about you, Ginny? I mean, obviously under your government
you didn't do it. Are you open to it?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Well?
Speaker 3 (06:02):
I think I lived on Great Barrier Island when I
was young, and I remember a time after we moved
off the island that I think I'm pretty sure it's
international that they just stopped paying an employment benefit there
because if there wasn't employment the year and so a
lot of people did move out over that time, and
so I think it has been done in the past.
How strictly it's enforced is the question, because how do
(06:25):
you engauge how many jobs are there in the town
when there could be an opportunity if someone sticks around,
And then you have to weigh up the cost to
the taxpayer and the social cost of shifting house, taking
kids out of school, all of the social fragmentation that
happens off the back of that, so that needs to
be weighed up as well.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Okay, Ginny, just quickly at the council. What happened yesterday,
broadly for it or not.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, I just have to see the problem is consistency
if you've got local boards making individual decisions about where
things go.
Speaker 4 (06:53):
In terms of transport.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
I mean, I thought the whole point of a supercity
was to have coordination right across or cli metro. So
the riskers that you fragment it and don't have a
single standard, I.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Tend to agree. Mark, can you do us a favor?
Speaker 4 (07:07):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, so Kaying Aura didn't even look at wall carpet.
They're gone with the nylon. The wall people said, the
wall people said they could compete on price. I thought
they were under instruction to support local product. Get some
wall in some houses. Can you find out what the
hell's going on there?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
I'll go and find out for you.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Let's go go and sort that program. Anyway. Listen, you
go well for Christmas, and thank you for the year,
and we'll look for to your company in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Thank you, Mike, thank you for having us both.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
No worries, it all you go, well, both of you.
Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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