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December 10, 2024 10 mins

There's a hold-up for the Government's latest crackdown on boy racers. 

Police Minister Mark Mitchell had said he'd introduce legislation this year giving police new powers to seize vehicles from boy racers following a string of illegal meetups. 

But that will no longer happen. 

Mitchell told Heather du Plessis-Allan the law change wasn't as simple as he thought it would be. 

He says there's still complexity to work through, but it's at the front of the queue for next year. 

Labour’s Ginny Andersen says that between this and the delay in training new police, there seems to be a pattern where Mitchell promises big things and doesn’t follow through. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
With me right now. We've got politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell,
Jenny Anderson, hire you too, Jenny Listener. You're going to
be submitting on the post? Do you want the letter box?
Do you want the letters to arrive in your letterbox?

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Submitting on the post? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:14):
New Zealand Post wants to take the letters out of
the letter box five percent of us at a time,
every single year, and then make us go down the
road and get it from a cluster letterbox.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
It's not ideal, is that when a mail was really
important partecularly to see your New Zealanders.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
I hear that a lot as a local MP.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
And so it's one of the big challenges with people
moving away from sending letters is that people are still
around who want them.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I'm into it, Mitch, I reckon, I can find better
things to do with the millions of dollars that we
spend on the post is every year.

Speaker 4 (00:42):
Yeah, I mean the think the way we receive our
information get our information out is changing. Without a doubt,
that's been happeny now for ten to fifteen years. I look,
I've had a PO box most of my life. Just
the way it's been so.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, it's basically like that's basically going back to the
old days. Now, Mitch, I need to talk to you
about this business. But the boy racer broken promise? What's
going on here? Why couldn't you get the legislation in
this year?

Speaker 4 (01:05):
So look, there's the ledgers a bit more complex that
I thought. I just want to start taking these boy
racers cars and bites and start crushing them.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
What's complex about that?

Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, then I thought Judith did that? Did not do that?

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Well? Well, Judith had outstanding legislation, but it required three warnings,
and I'm taking the three warnings away. We're just going
to start taking them. So the along the short of
it is, there's a bit more complexity in there. But
the good news is it's on the front of the
queue for next year.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Okay? Is that okay with you? Ginny? Can we wait
for a little bit longer. I mean, it's not like
anything's going to happen over some anyway, is it.

Speaker 3 (01:39):
Well he did say he'd also get five hundred police
officers by the end of November, and then the commissioners,
you know, it's not you say that, and then and
so and but then he's trying to guess everyone by.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
Saying oh, no, no, no, we're all the same page.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
So I wonder whether he's going to do the same
thing with the boy racers. You know, it does seem
like a bird of a pattern with Matt big stuff
and doesn't mean it.

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Well, I can, I can tell you this much inherited
shambles where crime was heading in the wrong direction. We've
got more police down on the beat, all from CBD's
a lot safer. Gangled is proving to be very effective
on getting top on top of the group.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
That I've got it reciting these lines, I've got to
give them. You're really good at giving out, you know,
you do them again and again like a little butter Well.

Speaker 4 (02:17):
Jenny, Jenny, Jenny, You and Chris Hipkins wandered around with
confused folk. It looks on your face.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Here to say that is today too. That's another one
of you.

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Well that well, that that's the reality of it. I
don't know why is policeman, so you went up dealing
with your CBD. I don't know why you went over
in a pokey dealing with all the gang harm over.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Well, you'd be surprised. So you make stuff up, But
I wasn't.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Jy that's the whole problem. And that's why the good
news is Keywis are starting to feel safer. We've got
a lot more work to do. We know that when
here it had a miss, but we're making some good
and roads and I want to acknowledge the pe yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Here that I just want to here.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
There's been that One News poll out again around about
seventy percent of New Zealanders either.

Speaker 2 (02:57):
Don't feel safer or no different. So I'm not sure
how much.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
That I didn't understand that because I know literally nobody
who doesn't like what they're seeing with the policing. How
do we explain this, Jenny.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
Well, you'd have to ask all those New Zealanders who
were interviewed by TV one seventy percent say no difference
or not safer from this government.

Speaker 4 (03:16):
Well, that's that's that's actually not true. And the problem
with Jenny, with your numbers is you can never trust
it's exactly true.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
Six up the two lots and is that two lots
edited together? Who no difference? You can go back and
check them out.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
The fact of the matter is this, Jinny, is that
one US polled earlier in the year and they pulled
again a couple of days ago, and there is a
definite trend of people in this country starting to feel safer.
I feel like, Leeole, can.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
I just say that poll though, Jenny, I reckon the
answer actually lies in the question. And I remember thinking
this at the time, because the question was do New
Zealanders feel safer under the Coalition's law and order policies?
And and if you ask me that question without specifying
which policies you're talking about, I reckon I would scratch
my brain. Also, I think it was too vague. I
think if they were like, do you feel safer with

(04:03):
the crackdown on gangs? I'll be like, yep, do you
feel safer with more cops on the beat? Yep. It
was just it was a badly worded question, I think,
which that's the sick goal.

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Yeah, yeah, which sometimes sometimes those polls the way they
worded it as difficult.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
And I acknowledge that.

Speaker 1 (04:18):
It brings us to the Treaty principles one which I'll
have to talk about later. But Mitch tell me quickly, Hey,
can we just settle this thing for me? When are
we getting the five hundred cops? Are we getting them?
On the twenty seventh of November twenty target.

Speaker 4 (04:28):
The target has always been as part of the cold
that we are driving towards November twenty seven. We know
that it is ambitious, and we know that we got.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Some are we giving them all by November twenty four, So.

Speaker 4 (04:40):
That is what we're working towards.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
But here the point is that right he's we know
he's not going to get there. The police have seed there,
but they have to say this because of the coalition deal.
But it's just going to be problematic is we get
closer and closer to twenty seven November and they're not
going to have them. It's just going to make life
harder for Mark. So he's just up now and say look,
we're not going to do it.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
Once over to Winnie's office and so when he can't,
I just tell the truth.

Speaker 4 (05:03):
Please give me permission, trust me, Ginny, things been hard.
Doesn't bother me at all. We're going to that is
our target. That is what we'reiming for. Casey, who's got
the delegation, is working daily on this to make sure
that we strive and we will on that number.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
Ginny, did you did you see Debbie's maths on the CGT.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
I did I did you like it? I think they
could numbers could be a bit out.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I think it's a little like maybe twenty times.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
Yeah, it does seem like a lot, and that's not
what their text working group got. And yeah, so it
does seem.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
You feel about I mean, because the thing is the
other day Chippy ruled out essentially working with Winston again.
That leaves you the Greens and the Maori Party to
form government with. I mean, this is not good for
your your economic credibility on either of those fronts, is it.

Speaker 3 (05:51):
Well, it's a long way to go before then, and
we'll be doing in between maths, we're doing work also
on what to what the text it will be workable
to get us out of this situation where you've got
a lot of people getting older with not enough text.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
I don't We've got work to I mean, nobody surprised,
are they by Debbie's meths?

Speaker 4 (06:13):
Well, maybe they'll make as part of the Green coalition,
they might make Debbie finance spokes.

Speaker 2 (06:22):
Can ever imagine this? Imagine this?

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Imagine if we had a gun lobbyist in our party
and we made them the minister in charge of rewriting
the firearms.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
That would be crazy. Oh wait, wait did that they
did it? Didn't?

Speaker 1 (06:33):
I feel like I'm less I'm least scared of a
gun lobbyist running guns than I am a Debbie running
the book.

Speaker 4 (06:41):
Jenny's criticizing someone that that worked across government and actually
making the country safer motivated doing that. But yeah, you remark,
I would support I would support Debbie as the finite
spokesperson for the greend Thanks.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Hey, Mitch, give me give me your lines on the fairies.
What do we hearing today?

Speaker 4 (07:01):
Well, I think there's the announcement is today? So obviously,
obviously there is an announcement today.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't think they've got key lines on that one.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Okay, so much so, Mitch, do you know that we're
getting two medium sized fairies for more than we would
have got two big fairies for.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
I can't get ahead of the announcement that the fact
of the matter is that there will be an announcement,
but it mon't be me making it, obviously, Nicola and
and I can't get ahead of that.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
Are we pay Are we paying more for the two
Toyota corollas than we would have for the two ferraris?

Speaker 4 (07:35):
So again, I know as much as I'd like to
tell you here that I cannot say anything on.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
That, okay, And and we've got as far as it possibly
could with that one, I think, Jimmy. Anyway, what do
you guys know, Jenny, because you know more.

Speaker 3 (07:45):
Well, the break fee is meant to be three hundred million,
and that's not the end of it. So that's the
concern for us. That will end ups still in negotiations
with Korea for this IRX deal, and that's going to
keep goinging up because they've got out of a contract
that was already in place, and that's going to cost
KeyWe's for nothing.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
But so okay, so hold on, So Ginny, are you
hearing that the three hundred million break fee is just
the start of the break fee and there's more more
to come.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
We've heard that that's money set aside for that, but
we don't know what came dividence.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
So then I've got three hundred million for the break
fe I've got nine hundred million for the fairies, so
that takes us to one point two and then we
need to pay for the port infrastructure and how much
is that going to be?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
That's that's that was the bit that was huge and
So that's the problem we have with these furies is
that they might not work for that infrastructure.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
So that's unknown as well.

Speaker 4 (08:33):
Now well that the labor, like usual on any of
the AP projects, take their eye off the ball. They
don't monifor they mess upon all the way through the country.
The country couldn't afford it, and initials bring some discipline.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Plan I reckon, plan trouble.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I reckon, you might be in trouble on this one
because I don't know that the smartest this didn't play
out the smartest way. I mean, did we consider taking
the ferraris and then selling them to somebody else who
wants ferraris and then using that money to buy the corola?
Isn't having money left over?

Speaker 4 (09:01):
Look, we would have the best decisions we made for
us as a country in terms of what we is
fiscally responsible and what we can afford, and we'll deliver
an outstanding service that will be appropriate for us as
a country. We're five and a half million people, and
as much as we'd like to build out massively expensive
infrastructure like countries with much bigger populations, do we have
to write size it for us?

Speaker 1 (09:22):
All right? Jinny, listen, have you talked to Peeney about
being sent down to the Privileges Committee.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
I have not talked to him yet.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
No, does he look happy. I think he'll probably be happy,
won't he look?

Speaker 3 (09:32):
I didn't think he looked very happy, But you'd have
to ask him how he felt about that, because.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
I thought I felt sorry for him because it looked
like the Maori Party. We're going to get in trouble
for the hacker, but not him, and I know he's
desperate to be part of that gang.

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Well, I do know that when things are before the
Privileges Committee, you have to be very careful because this
speak he gets very grumpy Worth MPs who talk about
both issues. So I'd have to be very good and say,
let's wait and see what the privilege is.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
So the correct line is not happy about being in
front of the Privileges committee. All right, Hey, guys, thank
you very much, thank you, thank you. I really appreciate it.
His politics Wednesday, Might Mitchell and Jinnie Anderson.

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