The Corrections Minister says a report on prison culture doesn't say anything the Government doesn't already know.
The report from Independent Research Solutions says the influence of gangs in prison has grown significantly in the past decades, with non-members lower in the social hierarchy.
It finds 35% of inmates are in voluntary segregation.
Mark Mitchell told Mike Hosking prisons are a microcosm of society, and gangs are known for their intimidation tactics in the community.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time for politics Wednesday, and Ginny Anderson's with us along
with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to you both. Morning, Mike Monting, Jenny,
good morning. A couple of this is this is this
is minutia. I know, Jenny, but and it's my fascination
with it. But you weren't in your seat yesterday, jan
Tonetti was in your seat? What happened there?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I moved along a few I was sitting I think
one seat along.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yes, you were. How does that work?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Often when you get a question, you get moved into
the center.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay, so your seat the singular seat. I always thought
it was because no one liked you. Was that unfair?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I thought it was because I was short and got
teased a bit. It maybe smelt funny. But no, it's
not any of those things.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You because I thought about it.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The day you remember when Andrew Bailey was answering those
embarrassing questions when he had called somebody a loser at
the winery and I was looking at poor old Nichola
Grigg and Nicola and Nichola was sitting next to Andrew,
and I thought, I'm sure she doesn't want to be
sitting next to Andrew right now because she knows the
camera's on her, and what a nightmare? How does it
work on your side of the house because you move around?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
But as well, Mark, Yeah, it's when people are away.
So basically when people away, they just the whips will
just move you around to fill the slots. And that's
why you sort of see people moving around and be
the same and with the.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Although lux and Peters, etcetera get the same seats every time.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes they do, yes, and no one, no one sits
in their seats.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So yeah, that's that's interesting. But when I was a
young and in my first new MP, when you can
sit anywhere usually, but you never ever sit in the
leader's seat.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well of course not the leaders, but so it's leader's deputy.
I know that Nicholas sits in the same So how
far down the lane does it go before?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I see what you mean. Yeah, so they'll just yeah,
that's a really good point. No, they'll just they'll kind
of move you around up until the leader's seat and
then you won't you know that it stops their.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So does somebody tell you? You say, Mark, you're in
six thirty thirty six.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
B today it's it's the chief whip.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
The whips office will send out each day where you're sitting,
and it relates to who's away and you're filling.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The honestly hand on heart, jinny, I mean you sit
by yourself a lot, but heart, there's got to be
people who game bugger. I don't want to be next
to them. I mean even in your own care because
you've got to be thinking now of that idiot.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's quite a good seat, right, It has a number
of advantages. It was Calvin seat, was putty critic's seat,
because you're right in the fray, you're right looking at act,
you've got mighty party and you're right, so you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Can good seats. It's a seat I want, and if.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You're a little bit late, you can slip in and
out without any want not to think, because you don't
have to squeeze and past other people.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
See that is your seat, now, Ginny. You speak of
it as though it's your own.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm quite familiar with that seat now. And look, while
I do look like I'm on my own, it's about
forty centimeters still between me and Willow Gene Point.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
However, that's the difference between economy and business class, isn't
it and we all know where we'd rather be.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's my life pretty much.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, right, Marke, real quick, we had Jered Gilbert on
he did this report with corrections. He reckons, I mean
not this is new. But gangs are running the gangs
running the bridge. Is that an abdication of responsibility from
corrections or not?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
No, Look, corrections do an outstanding job. He really hasn't
told us anything we didn't already know. Is that our
prisons are a microcosm of society. And basically, the gangs
in our communities use intimidation, violence, you know, the disproportionate
drivers of a lot of the crime that we have
to deal with. That's why you see myself and the
commissioner going so hard on the gangs. But you know,
but the correction system is no different. But I have
(03:21):
to say that our corrections officers are world class. Though
there are thousands and thousands of positive interactions that happen
every day. We've got two hundred gang members that are
currently applied to have their facial tattoos removed. And actually
from many of the visits that I do around our
prison system, what they try to do is peer older
gang members that have seen the era of their ways
(03:42):
and want to leave the gang, reform or have left
the gang. They try to sort of buddy them up
with the younger ones so that there's actually a positive
influence happening in there as well.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, but having said that, if I'm the skinny white
guy and I just want to do my leg because
I did something wrong, I'm going to get beaten up.
And when I say to the correction I got beacked up,
knowing cares, they yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well don't don't.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Don't go out and commit robberies and violent crime and
go into your correction system because.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
There's a lot of game. Well there's a lot of game.
I don't think you will what.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
There's a lot of gang members in there, and it's
a tough environment, and you know it, shout out to.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Our Christians offices. They work in a very tough environment.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You concur with that generally, well.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well some of that. I've been to Reematucket a few
times and they've had a really good program where they
keep all the young the younger gang members separate from
that middle cohort because it's the middle cohort of who
then co co opt them into permanent game membership. So
I think the more that our present system is able
to separate out the middle. So yes, twenty five years
(04:44):
up to forty, and they're the ones that are going
to put pressure on the younger ones to sign up.
And these I've seen programs in place where they've done
like a couple haker performance and they've got the outlines
of the game tattoos on their back, but they've not
been completed. The been started, but they're not fully in yet.
And that's the opportunity really to provide facial tattoo removal,
(05:06):
to provide options to get out, and to separate them
from that older cohort who will try and push them in.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
The best people place to decide how to run the prisons.
They do an outstanding job. Are our corrections not politicians,
and they deal with this every single day and they're
very good at it. I want everyone to understand that
our corrections control our prisons, not the gangs. But the
gangs try to bring influence into the prison around the
other prisons, and we're very aware in sets of to that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's just quickly, Jinny, there's Wellington water and it's just
I don't know, I mean, does Wellington ever work their
way out of this quagmire of misery and dysfunction.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, it's a concern. I did see something Chris Bush.
It was saying it's a social club or something, and
he was sort of saying it was.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, everyone sort of tripped in and there was no
accountability and there's just.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Triple I think there's a figure I saw. They're paying
triple what everyone else what they should have been paid.
But part of the problem is that they don't have
the money to be able to fix that infrastructure. We
did have a plan in place for all of that
order infrastructure with entities set up. The government came in
and scrapped there and see local government sought that out
(06:12):
and so this is the messing.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
To be fair though, Jinny, this goes back several years
when you were in government. I'm not blaming you. I
mean they should be running their own thing, but I
mean this isn't current. Just because you know, water done
well or whatever it's called, I mean, it's idiots or idiots,
it doesn't matter what the infrastructure or the structure is.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
We needed a plan that enabled local government to be
able to borrow the amount of money to fix that
infrastructure and we still don't have that.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well it could it have helped that they didn't charge
triple to the contractors or the contractors weren't charging triple.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I completely agree with you, but that the problem is
that year after year, you've had councils in the valley,
for example, building a hotel, putting money towards a hotel
and an events center when they should have been investing
in democracy.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
No one teams up to vote, and so the next
thing that guy Guppy is But do you realize how long?
How long's O Guppy been the mayor?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Telling me what third years?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Maybe unbelieved one hundred things. I looked him up yourself
thought he remained last time unopposed. So he's either brilliant or.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, you know, he's a good hat guy and he
gets on with everybody, both both sides of the house,
and he does his job. He's a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay, A lot of people asking about the man who Mark?
What was going on there? Why don't you bring your
top to.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I love, I love the money.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It was Mark.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I just clarify because I've heard a rumor that actually
that that that you were chasing a kid that stolen
the Snickers bar and he jumped, well.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I can get rid of this rumor. I'm sure that's
a rumor started by you. But now that the money,
the money, the money will Champs. Was was awesome, mate,
it was.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It was. It was very spirit of the moment. I
didn't have any tolls or anything.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I was lucky that Sarah sipped down from home brought
me a change of suits.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I did have another.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Now I went old stars, I did the A bomb.
I thought I did, Okay, the A bomb? Okay, did
you now I claim? Now this is a at risk?
Have been called frivolous?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
How is it?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Chris Bishop has hundreds of dollars worth of drug cleaning
receipts put forward in the expenses account, and did you
then put your suit in with that to claim your
drag cleaning as a result of them, as the result.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Of good thinking? But no, I didn't, No, heaven, I've
got no idea. But you know, if you're on the
road a lot, you know, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
On the road at Chris, about that years we're all
on the road a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, you claim sixty bucks for some mini bar? Now
what's going on there?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So we don't know what that charges. I'm ensure you
that I don't eat. I don't eat six hundred packets
of peanuts. I must have. I must admit that I
feel like a beer at the end of the day sometimes,
but we don't drink how col when we're out in
about either. It's probably a meal that's been charged back
to my room.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I think, I know there's been a lot of talk
about Louise in the Double Cheeseburger. Yeah, I think that
I looked at Mark and do we look and there
was the Lula Lounge and Fox Trot Parlor, those esteemed establishments.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Is it the Lulu Lounge or the Lula Lounge?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Lula, it's the Lula Lounge.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
What do you know about the Lula Lounge?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Mark?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I mean the Fox Trot Parlor? Like, what are these establishments? Question?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Jenny, I'm getting very uncomfortable because I feel Jenny anders
stalking me.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I feel like I've got a stalker. And Jenny Anderson, you.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Filed it, mate. I mean, I don't know what's going
on here with these expenses. But good I got excited
by Nicola Gregg buying a magnum of penot, But I
assume that's a gift. Look at what do you do
with receipt you're in opposition, do you what's your official receipts.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Thing when you're in opposition. I just because we're pretty
much I just pay for it yourself, unless it's you know,
a big amount, So I just pay my own stuff.
We're getting allowance and and our salary for those sorts of.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And you're geting allowance and you can do anything with
it you want.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, no, no, it's the things like the extrament and
all MPs get it. And it's for when you go
to a fear or when you have to spon you know,
like do a low like for example, rotarie and membership
that might be included. So it's expenses you need to
pay as an MP that that you do in your
activities in the community.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Okay, all right, I'm going to get to the bottom
of it, Mark, because you sound suspicious all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, yeah, I'm very interested to. I can assure you
that it will be work related. But what what I'm relieved,
what I'm relieved about is that we're bringing anti stalking
laws in.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Exactly exactly you'll be able to get away with us.
All right, Nice to see you guys, mate Machiel, Ginny
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Time for politics Wednesday, and Ginny Anderson's with us along
with Mark Mitchell. Good morning to you both. Morning, Mike Monting, Jenny,
good morning. A couple of this is this is this
is minutia. I know, Jenny, but and it's my fascination
with it. But you weren't in your seat yesterday, jan
Tonetti was in your seat? What happened there?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I moved along a few I was sitting I think
one seat along.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yes, you were. How does that work?
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Often when you get a question, you get moved into
the center.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay, so your seat the singular seat. I always thought
it was because no one liked you. Was that unfair?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
I thought it was because I was short and got
teased a bit. It maybe smelt funny. But no, it's
not any of those things.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
You because I thought about it.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Mark.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
The day you remember when Andrew Bailey was answering those
embarrassing questions when he had called somebody a loser at
the winery and I was looking at poor old Nichola
Grigg and Nicola and Nichola was sitting next to Andrew,
and I thought, I'm sure she doesn't want to be
sitting next to Andrew right now because she knows the
camera's on her, and what a nightmare? How does it
work on your side of the house because you move around?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
But as well, Mark, Yeah, it's when people are away.
So basically when people away, they just the whips will
just move you around to fill the slots. And that's
why you sort of see people moving around and be
the same and with the.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Although lux and Peters, etcetera get the same seats every time.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yes they do, yes, and no one, no one sits
in their seats.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
So yeah, that's that's interesting. But when I was a
young and in my first new MP, when you can
sit anywhere usually, but you never ever sit in the
leader's seat.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Well of course not the leaders, but so it's leader's deputy.
I know that Nicholas sits in the same So how
far down the lane does it go before?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Right?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I see what you mean. Yeah, so they'll just yeah,
that's a really good point. No, they'll just they'll kind
of move you around up until the leader's seat and
then you won't you know that it stops their.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
So does somebody tell you? You say, Mark, you're in
six thirty thirty six.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
B today it's it's the chief whip.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
The whips office will send out each day where you're sitting,
and it relates to who's away and you're filling.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The honestly hand on heart, jinny, I mean you sit
by yourself a lot, but heart, there's got to be
people who game bugger. I don't want to be next
to them. I mean even in your own care because
you've got to be thinking now of that idiot.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
It's quite a good seat, right, It has a number
of advantages. It was Calvin seat, was putty critic's seat,
because you're right in the fray, you're right looking at act,
you've got mighty party and you're right, so you.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Can good seats. It's a seat I want, and if.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
You're a little bit late, you can slip in and
out without any want not to think, because you don't
have to squeeze and past other people.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
See that is your seat, now, Ginny. You speak of
it as though it's your own.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
I'm quite familiar with that seat now. And look, while
I do look like I'm on my own, it's about
forty centimeters still between me and Willow Gene Point.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
However, that's the difference between economy and business class, isn't
it and we all know where we'd rather be.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
That's my life pretty much.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Yeah, right, Marke, real quick, we had Jered Gilbert on
he did this report with corrections. He reckons, I mean
not this is new. But gangs are running the gangs
running the bridge. Is that an abdication of responsibility from
corrections or not?
Speaker 4 (02:59):
No, Look, corrections do an outstanding job. He really hasn't
told us anything we didn't already know. Is that our
prisons are a microcosm of society. And basically, the gangs
in our communities use intimidation, violence, you know, the disproportionate
drivers of a lot of the crime that we have
to deal with. That's why you see myself and the
commissioner going so hard on the gangs. But you know,
but the correction system is no different. But I have
(03:21):
to say that our corrections officers are world class. Though
there are thousands and thousands of positive interactions that happen
every day. We've got two hundred gang members that are
currently applied to have their facial tattoos removed. And actually
from many of the visits that I do around our
prison system, what they try to do is peer older
gang members that have seen the era of their ways
(03:42):
and want to leave the gang, reform or have left
the gang. They try to sort of buddy them up
with the younger ones so that there's actually a positive
influence happening in there as well.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Okay, but having said that, if I'm the skinny white
guy and I just want to do my leg because
I did something wrong, I'm going to get beaten up.
And when I say to the correction I got beacked up,
knowing cares, they yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Well don't don't.
Speaker 4 (04:03):
Don't go out and commit robberies and violent crime and
go into your correction system because.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
There's a lot of game. Well there's a lot of game.
I don't think you will what.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
There's a lot of gang members in there, and it's
a tough environment, and you know it, shout out to.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Our Christians offices. They work in a very tough environment.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
You concur with that generally, well.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Well some of that. I've been to Reematucket a few
times and they've had a really good program where they
keep all the young the younger gang members separate from
that middle cohort because it's the middle cohort of who
then co co opt them into permanent game membership. So
I think the more that our present system is able
to separate out the middle. So yes, twenty five years
(04:44):
up to forty, and they're the ones that are going
to put pressure on the younger ones to sign up.
And these I've seen programs in place where they've done
like a couple haker performance and they've got the outlines
of the game tattoos on their back, but they've not
been completed. The been started, but they're not fully in yet.
And that's the opportunity really to provide facial tattoo removal,
(05:06):
to provide options to get out, and to separate them
from that older cohort who will try and push them in.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
The best people place to decide how to run the prisons.
They do an outstanding job. Are our corrections not politicians,
and they deal with this every single day and they're
very good at it. I want everyone to understand that
our corrections control our prisons, not the gangs. But the
gangs try to bring influence into the prison around the
other prisons, and we're very aware in sets of to that.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's just quickly, Jinny, there's Wellington water and it's just
I don't know, I mean, does Wellington ever work their
way out of this quagmire of misery and dysfunction.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yeah, it's a concern. I did see something Chris Bush.
It was saying it's a social club or something, and
he was sort of saying it was.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Well, everyone sort of tripped in and there was no
accountability and there's just.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Triple I think there's a figure I saw. They're paying
triple what everyone else what they should have been paid.
But part of the problem is that they don't have
the money to be able to fix that infrastructure. We
did have a plan in place for all of that
order infrastructure with entities set up. The government came in
and scrapped there and see local government sought that out
(06:12):
and so this is the messing.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
To be fair though, Jinny, this goes back several years
when you were in government. I'm not blaming you. I
mean they should be running their own thing, but I
mean this isn't current. Just because you know, water done
well or whatever it's called, I mean, it's idiots or idiots,
it doesn't matter what the infrastructure or the structure is.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
We needed a plan that enabled local government to be
able to borrow the amount of money to fix that
infrastructure and we still don't have that.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Well it could it have helped that they didn't charge
triple to the contractors or the contractors weren't charging triple.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I completely agree with you, but that the problem is
that year after year, you've had councils in the valley,
for example, building a hotel, putting money towards a hotel
and an events center when they should have been investing
in democracy.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
No one teams up to vote, and so the next
thing that guy Guppy is But do you realize how long?
How long's O Guppy been the mayor?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Telling me what third years?
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Maybe unbelieved one hundred things. I looked him up yourself
thought he remained last time unopposed. So he's either brilliant or.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, you know, he's a good hat guy and he
gets on with everybody, both both sides of the house,
and he does his job. He's a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Okay, A lot of people asking about the man who Mark?
What was going on there? Why don't you bring your
top to.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
I love, I love the money.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
It was Mark.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I just clarify because I've heard a rumor that actually
that that that you were chasing a kid that stolen
the Snickers bar and he jumped, well.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
I can get rid of this rumor. I'm sure that's
a rumor started by you. But now that the money,
the money, the money will Champs. Was was awesome, mate,
it was.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
It was. It was very spirit of the moment. I
didn't have any tolls or anything.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
I was lucky that Sarah sipped down from home brought
me a change of suits.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
I did have another.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Now I went old stars, I did the A bomb.
I thought I did, Okay, the A bomb? Okay, did
you now I claim? Now this is a at risk?
Have been called frivolous?
Speaker 3 (08:02):
How is it?
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Chris Bishop has hundreds of dollars worth of drug cleaning
receipts put forward in the expenses account, and did you
then put your suit in with that to claim your
drag cleaning as a result of them, as the result.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
Of good thinking? But no, I didn't, No, heaven, I've
got no idea. But you know, if you're on the
road a lot, you know, I mean it's.
Speaker 3 (08:27):
On the road at Chris, about that years we're all
on the road a lot.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Well, you claim sixty bucks for some mini bar? Now
what's going on there?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So we don't know what that charges. I'm ensure you
that I don't eat. I don't eat six hundred packets
of peanuts. I must have. I must admit that I
feel like a beer at the end of the day sometimes,
but we don't drink how col when we're out in
about either. It's probably a meal that's been charged back
to my room.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
I think, I know there's been a lot of talk
about Louise in the Double Cheeseburger. Yeah, I think that
I looked at Mark and do we look and there
was the Lula Lounge and Fox Trot Parlor, those esteemed establishments.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Is it the Lulu Lounge or the Lula Lounge?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Lula, it's the Lula Lounge.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
What do you know about the Lula Lounge?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Mark?
Speaker 2 (09:17):
I mean the Fox Trot Parlor? Like, what are these establishments? Question?
Speaker 4 (09:20):
Jenny, I'm getting very uncomfortable because I feel Jenny anders
stalking me.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
I feel like I've got a stalker. And Jenny Anderson, you.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Filed it, mate. I mean, I don't know what's going
on here with these expenses. But good I got excited
by Nicola Gregg buying a magnum of penot, But I
assume that's a gift. Look at what do you do
with receipt you're in opposition, do you what's your official receipts.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Thing when you're in opposition. I just because we're pretty
much I just pay for it yourself, unless it's you know,
a big amount, So I just pay my own stuff.
We're getting allowance and and our salary for those sorts of.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And you're geting allowance and you can do anything with
it you want.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
No, no, no, it's the things like the extrament and
all MPs get it. And it's for when you go
to a fear or when you have to spon you know,
like do a low like for example, rotarie and membership
that might be included. So it's expenses you need to
pay as an MP that that you do in your
activities in the community.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
Okay, all right, I'm going to get to the bottom
of it, Mark, because you sound suspicious all of a sudden.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Yeah, yeah, I'm very interested to. I can assure you
that it will be work related. But what what I'm relieved,
what I'm relieved about is that we're bringing anti stalking
laws in.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
Exactly exactly you'll be able to get away with us.
All right, Nice to see you guys, mate Machiel, Ginny
Anderson for another week. For more from the Mike Asking Breakfast,
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