March 31, 2025 • 8 mins
The coalition is showing unity on the Cook Strait ferry deal.
Rail Minister Winston Peters has announced two road and rail-enabled ferry and port infrastructure to be delivered by 2029.
Finance Minister Nicola Willis had a plan, but it wasn't confirmed whether those were rail-enabled or not.
Peters told Mike Hosking the fact that a new plan is on the table, isn't being critical of her.
He said that when they brought a new option to the table, Willis had enough wisdom to say they should see if it’s possible.
Peters is standing firm in his criticism of Green MP Benjamin Doyle's historical Instagram posts.
The Greens says they're screening an immense volume of abuse, including death threats towards Doyle, over Doyle's old social media posts with sexually suggestive captions.
The party is accusing Peters of "fanning the flames of hatred".
Peters told Mike Hosking that's not true.
He says thousands and thousands of people from the rainbow community are supporting what he's saying.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Back to the wolf as we await the arrival of
the new Fairies by twenty twenty nine. What we got
yesterday two fairies a little bit bigger than the current ones.
They can take cars, do rail and people. They won't
need a new infrastructure and they will be a great
deal cheaper than the whole ires mess. Anyway, The Rail
Minister Winston Peters is with us. Very good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
A lot of questions this morning about the third ship.
Do are we not getting a third ship because we
wouldn't need one with the two or because we can't
afford it.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The reality is we don't need one. We've got bigger, better, faster,
more mobile ships coming. The contract will be not two
years as usual getting ready will take only nine months
to do that. So everything's being speeded up and we've
got options between the ship builders. They don't know who
they are. There'll be a serious contest and we're very
confident of the outcome.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Do you know what they're going to be giving you
by way of a ship? Are you down that far
down the track or not.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
They'll be given all specifications and now let them meet
those specifications in their tender.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, how confident on a scale of one to ten,
ten being your bulletproof confident that it can be sorted
and delivered with no delays, no excuses by twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, we're seriously confident about that because we've talked to
some of the shipbuilders. I went and saw the Koreans
and talked them about the mess that they were having
to deal with, how we'd handle it. The so called
break fee with them is going to be far less
than this three hundred million. They understand they want to
be a competitor, but we've also got other competitors in
there as well. We cannot tell you who they're going
(01:36):
to be, so that they don't know each other and
can scheme up against us. We're going to go about
this what you do as a tough trader and ensure
we get the best outcome. So I'm very confident going
forward that what we're going to have is what this
country needs. In fact, Mike UK massivating the dog and
hop on there and get to the South Island just
like we used to do.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, so the Koreans, are they favored because there's some
sort of you know, issue around the contract previously or
does everyone go in, even Stevens.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The latter, everyone will go on. Even Stevens have been
no preference. We've got a very experienced team in the
holding company we've set up. We've got some people who
know what they're doing. They have been in this business
a long time in terms of proper procurement process. That's
why we're able to speed everything up, and that's why
we're able to answer it with great speed. The mess.
We were here at last December and put it together.
(02:28):
Take out the Christmas from two months flat. We've done it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
What did you give us yesterday that Willis couldn't have
given us in December?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, the problem was she was here is a nightmare
that was was min a cost four hundred and one
million dollars had blown out to four billion dollars in
which eighty percent was infrastructure. No one knew how on
earth that happened. And then she had to stop it
right then. And people said, no, you should keep on
building those big ships which we're not going to use,
and then you can sell them. Now you're selling on
(02:58):
a bias market and you're going to get ripped off
two times. So she had to make that decision, and
then she had an outfit call the ministry or advisor
group who advised her on only one option that's rail
enabled only, and they didn't look at the other options.
When we looked at all the options, the one that
came out and all these experiences, people said, the one
that came up was the best. That was the carry
(03:20):
on with the traditional rail on rode on, the kind
of decision that was made by some smart politicians back
when we used to be number one in the world. Yeah,
you make the same decision again.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I don't want to cause a fight here, but it
seems to me that and I don't care. Look if
we get ferries, that's fine, whatever. But what I'm saying
it looks to me like your pro rail, she probably
wasn't as pro rail. You got the job, Were're going
to get some rail fairies. Is because it just seems
a lot of time from the cancelation of ires to
where we are now. And I can't see why it's
taken so long.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, because look when you start off with a project
that was in May of twenty twenty when I charged
them with going to find two areas for four hundred
and one million dollars that was cap to that to
come back and find in twenty twenty one they were
signing up to a contract that would blow out a
treasury said to four and more than four billion dollars.
It's a nightmare four Minister Finance. She's trying to get
her head around an economy where borrow and hope was
(04:14):
the plan. Nothing but wherever we're going to work and
she's taken a long time to get on top of it.
So she's been absolutely, in my view, vindicated, and she
had enough wisdom to say when we said, hang on,
we think we've got a better option, can you look
at it? And she said, okay, you have a look
at it and see if you can do it, and that's
what they did last December. So she'd made two wise
assisions in my view, and why she's blamed, why she's
blamed for trying to fix up a messes beyond me.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Why are you wading into the Benjamin Doyle thing.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Because it is simply outrageous, it's disgusting, and nobody in
the mainstream media was asking any questions. All you've seen
other members of Parliament with a post, just one post
being pillar read and ripped far by the mainstream media.
And here's this outrageous, disgusting sort of online stuff going
on with all these lousies justices for it now, and
(05:05):
they're trying to say that it's just picking on Rainburg people. No,
I've got thousands and thousands of Rainbow people contacting me
and I can show you online now who are saying,
mister Peters, keep going, this is not us.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, what should happen?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, my question is why haven't the man treat people?
Ask the Green Party what on is going wrong with
your party? How can you possibly image that as the
party that was started off by fitz Simon's way back then.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You see here's well, look, let me answer on behalf
of at least me. I just find that. I just
think we've got so many issues in this country to
deal with. The weird oes in the Green Party can
be parked to one side. I mean, if we were
sailing fantastically in life was brilliant, sure we can dabble
with us, but we got bigger fish to fry right now.
And I just don't know that fringe nutters is a
(05:52):
topic of conversation at length that we want to involve
ourselves with. I mean, you can't be look at you, mate,
You're one weekend you're with Mark Rubio sorting out one
of the most important times in our life, and then
the next minute you're dabbling with Doyle and his lundy
social media.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Did I tell you why? Because this country is a
great democracy was begun in eighteen fifty four, we got
Mariy voting in eighteen sixty seven, women in eighteen ninety three.
We're a world leader on law and or on reforms,
and we have some fundamental Western principles and ethics. That's
what I'm standing out for. If you think they're a
mere bagtel, I disagree with you. If you allow this
discussing thing to be the image from Parliament, then I
(06:33):
tell you what we're going to do with it. This
country's not democracy is not going to be worth knowing about.
Walking into Parliament with all sorts of heat barbs on
and all sorts of gear on barefoot, it is a disgrace.
I get it, and I hear it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But Winston Tamotha Paul, the people of Central Wellington, Wellington
Central looked at her and they said we love it,
we want more of it, and she got a majority
of six thousand. Now I don't argue that that's right.
I'm just saying that's democracy, and you can't argue with
democracy that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You can't go's democracy, but you can make sure that
in a democracy the people know what they're in for.
She won't win an a seat next time. I'm telling
you now, not with Corori and all the other three
the three k's moving into her electrics. But here's the point.
When you say that you'd be far you feel far
safer with a gang in the dark alley than you
would with a policeman or policewoman, then you've lost the plot.
(07:19):
This is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But ultimately on Doyle, what should happen? I mean should
have been in front of the police. I mean pointing
it out. Iss one thing. That's fine, so we pointed
out So where does it go? Does it go to
the police? Well, I mean what do you do the
guys a List member and a Green Party they're unusual
people who would defend this until they're blue in the face.
They are what they are.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
No, Look, we've got elements of the system. One rule
for one group of politicians and a different rule for
another one. You got to party Mayra and Nair's broke
every electoral rule there is broken. The charities acting agains,
they're still parked up there acting in total illegality, and
no one's calling an account. I went through three court
cases which are I was totally innocent. I proved and
smashed the Serious War Office, and the media wouldn't give
(07:59):
any credit at all. See what's going on in this country.
We have got We've got a massive failure. It's simous
by your not the failure, but it'simmis by your program.
You hear both sides of the story, but the mainstream media,
I just want to hear one side of the story,
and that's the lift.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Appreciate your time. When Simpleters rayal minister and commentator on
events of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
Back to the wolf as we await the arrival of
the new Fairies by twenty twenty nine. What we got
yesterday two fairies a little bit bigger than the current ones.
They can take cars, do rail and people. They won't
need a new infrastructure and they will be a great
deal cheaper than the whole ires mess. Anyway, The Rail
Minister Winston Peters is with us. Very good morning to you.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
Good morning.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
A lot of questions this morning about the third ship.
Do are we not getting a third ship because we
wouldn't need one with the two or because we can't
afford it.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
The reality is we don't need one. We've got bigger, better, faster,
more mobile ships coming. The contract will be not two
years as usual getting ready will take only nine months
to do that. So everything's being speeded up and we've
got options between the ship builders. They don't know who
they are. There'll be a serious contest and we're very
confident of the outcome.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Do you know what they're going to be giving you
by way of a ship? Are you down that far
down the track or not.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
They'll be given all specifications and now let them meet
those specifications in their tender.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Okay, how confident on a scale of one to ten,
ten being your bulletproof confident that it can be sorted
and delivered with no delays, no excuses by twenty twenty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Well, we're seriously confident about that because we've talked to
some of the shipbuilders. I went and saw the Koreans
and talked them about the mess that they were having
to deal with, how we'd handle it. The so called
break fee with them is going to be far less
than this three hundred million. They understand they want to
be a competitor, but we've also got other competitors in
there as well. We cannot tell you who they're going
(01:36):
to be, so that they don't know each other and
can scheme up against us. We're going to go about
this what you do as a tough trader and ensure
we get the best outcome. So I'm very confident going
forward that what we're going to have is what this
country needs. In fact, Mike UK massivating the dog and
hop on there and get to the South Island just
like we used to do.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
Okay, so the Koreans, are they favored because there's some
sort of you know, issue around the contract previously or
does everyone go in, even Stevens.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
The latter, everyone will go on. Even Stevens have been
no preference. We've got a very experienced team in the
holding company we've set up. We've got some people who
know what they're doing. They have been in this business
a long time in terms of proper procurement process. That's
why we're able to speed everything up, and that's why
we're able to answer it with great speed. The mess.
We were here at last December and put it together.
(02:28):
Take out the Christmas from two months flat. We've done it.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
What did you give us yesterday that Willis couldn't have
given us in December?
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Well, the problem was she was here is a nightmare
that was was min a cost four hundred and one
million dollars had blown out to four billion dollars in
which eighty percent was infrastructure. No one knew how on
earth that happened. And then she had to stop it
right then. And people said, no, you should keep on
building those big ships which we're not going to use,
and then you can sell them. Now you're selling on
(02:58):
a bias market and you're going to get ripped off
two times. So she had to make that decision, and
then she had an outfit call the ministry or advisor
group who advised her on only one option that's rail
enabled only, and they didn't look at the other options.
When we looked at all the options, the one that
came out and all these experiences, people said, the one
that came up was the best. That was the carry
(03:20):
on with the traditional rail on rode on, the kind
of decision that was made by some smart politicians back
when we used to be number one in the world. Yeah,
you make the same decision again.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
I don't want to cause a fight here, but it
seems to me that and I don't care. Look if
we get ferries, that's fine, whatever. But what I'm saying
it looks to me like your pro rail, she probably
wasn't as pro rail. You got the job, Were're going
to get some rail fairies. Is because it just seems
a lot of time from the cancelation of ires to
where we are now. And I can't see why it's
taken so long.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
Well, because look when you start off with a project
that was in May of twenty twenty when I charged
them with going to find two areas for four hundred
and one million dollars that was cap to that to
come back and find in twenty twenty one they were
signing up to a contract that would blow out a
treasury said to four and more than four billion dollars.
It's a nightmare four Minister Finance. She's trying to get
her head around an economy where borrow and hope was
(04:14):
the plan. Nothing but wherever we're going to work and
she's taken a long time to get on top of it.
So she's been absolutely, in my view, vindicated, and she
had enough wisdom to say when we said, hang on,
we think we've got a better option, can you look
at it? And she said, okay, you have a look
at it and see if you can do it, and that's
what they did last December. So she'd made two wise
assisions in my view, and why she's blamed, why she's
blamed for trying to fix up a messes beyond me.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Why are you wading into the Benjamin Doyle thing.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Because it is simply outrageous, it's disgusting, and nobody in
the mainstream media was asking any questions. All you've seen
other members of Parliament with a post, just one post
being pillar read and ripped far by the mainstream media.
And here's this outrageous, disgusting sort of online stuff going
on with all these lousies justices for it now, and
(05:05):
they're trying to say that it's just picking on Rainburg people. No,
I've got thousands and thousands of Rainbow people contacting me
and I can show you online now who are saying,
mister Peters, keep going, this is not us.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Well, what should happen?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Well, my question is why haven't the man treat people?
Ask the Green Party what on is going wrong with
your party? How can you possibly image that as the
party that was started off by fitz Simon's way back then.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
You see here's well, look, let me answer on behalf
of at least me. I just find that. I just
think we've got so many issues in this country to
deal with. The weird oes in the Green Party can
be parked to one side. I mean, if we were
sailing fantastically in life was brilliant, sure we can dabble
with us, but we got bigger fish to fry right now.
And I just don't know that fringe nutters is a
(05:52):
topic of conversation at length that we want to involve
ourselves with. I mean, you can't be look at you, mate,
You're one weekend you're with Mark Rubio sorting out one
of the most important times in our life, and then
the next minute you're dabbling with Doyle and his lundy
social media.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Did I tell you why? Because this country is a
great democracy was begun in eighteen fifty four, we got
Mariy voting in eighteen sixty seven, women in eighteen ninety three.
We're a world leader on law and or on reforms,
and we have some fundamental Western principles and ethics. That's
what I'm standing out for. If you think they're a
mere bagtel, I disagree with you. If you allow this
discussing thing to be the image from Parliament, then I
(06:33):
tell you what we're going to do with it. This
country's not democracy is not going to be worth knowing about.
Walking into Parliament with all sorts of heat barbs on
and all sorts of gear on barefoot, it is a disgrace.
I get it, and I hear it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
But Winston Tamotha Paul, the people of Central Wellington, Wellington
Central looked at her and they said we love it,
we want more of it, and she got a majority
of six thousand. Now I don't argue that that's right.
I'm just saying that's democracy, and you can't argue with
democracy that's right.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
You can't go's democracy, but you can make sure that
in a democracy the people know what they're in for.
She won't win an a seat next time. I'm telling
you now, not with Corori and all the other three
the three k's moving into her electrics. But here's the point.
When you say that you'd be far you feel far
safer with a gang in the dark alley than you
would with a policeman or policewoman, then you've lost the plot.
(07:19):
This is disgusting.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
But ultimately on Doyle, what should happen? I mean should
have been in front of the police. I mean pointing
it out. Iss one thing. That's fine, so we pointed
out So where does it go? Does it go to
the police? Well, I mean what do you do the
guys a List member and a Green Party they're unusual
people who would defend this until they're blue in the face.
They are what they are.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
No, Look, we've got elements of the system. One rule
for one group of politicians and a different rule for
another one. You got to party Mayra and Nair's broke
every electoral rule there is broken. The charities acting agains,
they're still parked up there acting in total illegality, and
no one's calling an account. I went through three court
cases which are I was totally innocent. I proved and
smashed the Serious War Office, and the media wouldn't give
(07:59):
any credit at all. See what's going on in this country.
We have got We've got a massive failure. It's simous
by your not the failure, but it'simmis by your program.
You hear both sides of the story, but the mainstream media,
I just want to hear one side of the story,
and that's the lift.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Appreciate your time. When Simpleters rayal minister and commentator on
events of the day.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to
news Talks. It'd be from six am weekdays, or follow
the podcast on iHeartRadio
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