Full Show Podcast: 05 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
Today the chop has been for the fence, the Australian
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as well, PASKI as you went for Monday seven past six.
There seems some confusion around when it last happened, if
it ever has. In fact I was told Friday that
it was twenty eighteen. We last went six form eight

(00:34):
the commentator Saturday night and for me in the rain
in Brisbane that it had never happened ever. Either way,
what did happen is we won again. We beat the Cowboys,
which we were supposed to. But like a lot in
the Nral, it doesn't take a lot for the unexpected
to happen. And if you saw the game, a couple
of cowboy tries showed they can slice you apart fairly
fast and fairly readily. And yes the score looked a
little bit tighter, maybe than it should have been by

(00:56):
the end. But and here's the story, well, one of
two stories for the season. One, our defense is as
good as it gets. In two, we don't look flakely
flaky the way we sometimes used to. Also, we're still
missing a bunch of top flight players, and we still
look solid and aside with depth, and we're still winning.
I mean, have a look at the table. We're virtually first.
The conditions were shocking, yet the game didn't fall apart.

(01:17):
Metcalf came to the party. In terms of kicking, you
didn't get them all, and the ones he did have
were the easier variety. But kicking aside, he's the star
of the show of course these days. In fact, he's
so good when he doesn't kick. You wonder whether it's
a shame he does kick, and that distracts from what
he does the rest of the time. Anyway. The nights
are next, and the thing about being the top of
the table is every other side is below you. The
night's are tenth. Once we might have got a little

(01:38):
bit nervous about this, you know, when a lot and
then all of a sudden slip up. I don't get
that sense that this is going to happen. What I
see is a side that has come or is coming
of age. Now there's a resilience, a consistency there where
expectation weeken week out doesn't change. Great sides don't wabble
or have bad days or do inexplicable things. Still early
in the season, still only six of eight, but I mean,

(01:59):
you can only play one game at a time, and
as we see it each week now Vegas aside, this
looks exemplary, This looks like our this season, but this
looks like how are.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
You news of the world in ninety second?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
Now, most of all the votings that's gone on around
the world these past couple of days, perhaps the most
dramatic was in Britain where they had a reform quake,
But before we get to that, they also had some
antiterrra stuff that involved Iranians, a plot and a bunch
of wrists.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
There are several hundred officers and staff working on this
investigation and will work very hard to ensure we understand
the threats to the wider public, and of course I
would ask the public to avoid speculation and some of
the things that are being posted online.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Others Blake watched it all unfold.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
The kids were playing in the garden again and said
that a man with a mascot told them to get
back inside. So obviously it was a bit worried, who's
tying the kids, who's got a mask on telling the
kids to get inside. So as we've come out, we
just had a massive bank right.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
The reform that they were on. Hundreds of seats, control
a lot of councils. They're going to kill work from home,
They're going to doge for savings. They're also going to
educate the kids proper.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
Stop teaching young people in schools writ large that they
should hate their country, that they should be ashamed, and
looking at a character assassination that has taken place on
the great Sir Winston Church, look at it. Young people
should be taught history accurately.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
The lobdoms also did very well, although a lot of
people think that's because of reform.

Speaker 6 (03:28):
It was the Liberal Democrats the only party holding back reform,
and we did that all over the country. Actually, look
at County Durham where Labor and Conservati had a really
bad night. Liberal Democrats gain seats and we're now the
official opposition to reform there.

Speaker 2 (03:42):
Yeah, he said, that's the leader of the party who
sees the party who it's the party of Middle England.

Speaker 7 (03:46):
Now.

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Anyway, Labor got punished, but not as bad as the
Tories who now have to work out how seriously to
take reform.

Speaker 8 (03:52):
It's not yet clear whether at the next general election
will be reform or the Conservatives.

Speaker 9 (03:56):
That are Labour's main challenges. But we've got to take
that threat seriously.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Well that's one Tory view. Here's another.

Speaker 10 (04:03):
There's a reason why populist parties are popular is because
they offer everything to everybody. When they're in a position
of delivering things, that's when the shine comes up.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Finally, the Dubai chocolate record breaker. This is from Dubai
Duty Free. In their first quarter sales, they sold five
hundred and sixty five million US dollars. There's never a
billion dollars New Zealand of this. Dubai chocolate actually broke
the record. By the middle of February, the Dubai chocolate
bar sold over one point two million bars there as
new as the world in ninety jobs number out of

(04:35):
the states as good Andrew does the business on that
in the moment, but as far as the tariffs are
concerned Timu. If you want to buy anything from tim
directly from China to the States, you can't do it anymore.
They stop that over the weekend. This is the Dominimus stuff.
This is the small thing where they don't search the
envelopes at five four, two hundred dollars whatever. Anyway, if
you look at Timu from the States now to import
stuff from China, it'll be labeled as out of stock.

(04:58):
Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
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Speaker 2 (05:10):
Relax. He's done on Interview Trump this morning. I will
quote be an eight year president. I will be a
two term president. I always thought that was very important,
despite previously saying he wasn't joking chasing a third and
you can still buy a Trump twenty eight Hat fifteen
pass from Jay my Well Pandrick Halla. Had very good
Monday morning.

Speaker 9 (05:30):
Very good morning, Mike Year.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
The jobs numbers, I think they were better than expected
to stay side, weren't.

Speaker 9 (05:33):
They They were?

Speaker 11 (05:35):
But before we start that, you know we finished last
week with feel good Friday, didn't we That did carry
over the weekend? Now I know you would have been
glued to the Warriors and the Miami GP.

Speaker 9 (05:45):
But what else was on over the weekend?

Speaker 2 (05:47):
How about that? Do you believe that he was I
assume we're talking about the same thing. Do you believe
that Abel was on stage not knowing?

Speaker 9 (05:56):
Can you believe that?

Speaker 11 (05:57):
So this is the Berkshire Halfway AGM and Warren Buffer
has stood down, but he announced it at the AGM
and he hadn't told the guy. That's absolutely brilliant. But
you can do that sort of stuff when you're ninety
four years old, can't you?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
I reckon? And do you reckon? He really drinks all
that Coca cola or that's just a thing now.

Speaker 11 (06:13):
Now I don't think he probably does. I mean, well,
if he isn't, he's been consistently lying about it for
about sixty years, so yes, I guess he does. Anyway, Anyway,
let's get onto non farm payrolls. So big news Friday,
non farm Praierl's lots of concern about the impact of
the policy blitz that we've seen from the Trump administration
in the first one hundred days. Also, there's a reason

(06:33):
why Trump can't do three terms because he'll be pope.
So how can you do three terms if he's pope anyway,
So got this policy blitz in the first hundred days.
Now the business consumer surveys, that's soft data. They're sending
warning signals. But we need to look at the hard
data as well, not just what people think. Now, non
farm payrolls is a piece of hard data. What's happening

(06:54):
in the laid mark and the key takeaway. If you
want to impress all your mates at work today, you've
just said it.

Speaker 9 (06:59):
They were stronger than he expected.

Speaker 11 (07:00):
So in April they added one hundred and seventy seven
thousand jobs to the US economy, with expectation around one
hundred and thirty eight, so an easy beat there. The
prior two months were revised a little bit lower. Unemployment
rates stable at four point two percent, which doesn't sound terrible,
is it. Participation rates sixty two point six ticked up
from sixty two point five. Not a huge move, but
significant when you're looking at such a large population. Average

(07:23):
hourly earnings rose zero point two percent, Wages up three
point eight percent year on years, so mildly eased from
previous month. Added quite a few jobs in healthcare fifty
one thousand jobs. Interesting federal government actually added nine thousand
jobs in April, despite DOGE that year to date you
have seen twenty six thousand jobs shared from the federal government.

(07:45):
Few comments might you are not seeing any sign yet
of a negative impact on the jobs market from trade
policy induced uncertainty. But as I said last week, you
have to be very careful I think about drawing any
firm or medium term from versions from these current data points.
I think it seems reasonable to expect it's in the
next few months when we'll see the material impacts, particularly

(08:08):
in things like those those jobs. A lot of those
federal employees are on they're on furlough, I'll think of
what they call it. So we're not going to see
that in the numbers yet. Also, there was actually that
surgeon importing that we saw in the US.

Speaker 9 (08:21):
Now there is some speculation.

Speaker 11 (08:23):
That that added a little bit to the labor force
because people had to work so in areas like transportation
early days.

Speaker 9 (08:29):
Yet, keep let's keep an eye on all of this.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
OK, what about the recovery.

Speaker 11 (08:33):
On recovery on so non fine payer I was aware,
we see, but that's really just part of the bigger
picture of the whole of last week.

Speaker 9 (08:40):
Yes, recovery continues.

Speaker 11 (08:42):
US share market indexes are now setting records, Mike. Given
the headlines that you've been seeing, you wouldn't have thought
the records were positive ones. But the S and P
five hundred is on a winning streak. So April, Mike,
April share market performs that was just a bad dream.

Speaker 9 (08:57):
Forget about that.

Speaker 11 (08:58):
The S and P five hundred has now risen for
no consecutive days and as I said, the longest winning
streak in the last twenty years. So it's recovered all
the ground that we've seen since the infamous April the
second Rose Garden tarif announcement. So the end result, I
mean in April the S and P five hundred actually
fell zero point six eight percent to it barely move,
but just a heck of a round trip in the

(09:19):
background of fifteen percent fall and recovery in New Zealand
dollars though, Mike, you would have lost just over five
percent because there were big currency moves as well. Keys
gained in value that reduces the value of your offshore holdings,
but also feeding into this positive energy over the week.
And Mike, is there a thawing in the US China
trade stand off some cryptic comments out of China over

(09:40):
the weekend.

Speaker 9 (09:41):
We'll see how that develops this week.

Speaker 11 (09:42):
And the only negative on Friday was a bit of
a lift in US ten year treasury rates.

Speaker 9 (09:47):
They went up about nine basis points. That could be significant.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I need some numbers, O, I'll give you them.

Speaker 9 (09:53):
There we are. Everything's positive.

Speaker 11 (09:54):
The Dow Jones up one point thirty nine percent close
the week at forty one, three hundred and seventeen, the
S and P five hundred just to shade off one
and a half percent gain there, closing at five six
eight six, and the Nasdaq up one and a half percent,
closing at seventeen thousand, nine hundred and seventy seven, just
a sliver off the eighteen thousand mark. The forty one
hundred gained over one percent eight five nine six, the

(10:16):
Nike gained over one percent thirty six thousand, eight hundred
and thirty. The Chinese market is still on holiday. The
Ossie's gained one point one three percent on Friday eight
two three eight, leading into the election. That was ninety
two point gain there, and the n SX fifty one
point four eight percent one hundred and seventy nine points
twelve thousand, three hundred and twenty eight Kiwi dollar against

(10:36):
the US, point five nine thirty nine point nine two
o two against the ossie.

Speaker 9 (10:41):
Point five two five nine euro point four four.

Speaker 11 (10:44):
Six eight against the pound eighty six point oh three
Japanese yen gold coming off a little bit three thousand,
two hundred and forty dollars and Brent Crew is still
quite low sixty one dollars and twenty nine cents.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
You have an excellent daycatchup tomorrow, Andrew kelliherjmiwelth dot co
dot m Z. The task at Ingworth's New zeal And.
Sales are up but prices were down, so you'll be
I suppose you'll be pleased to hear that this is
third quarter two point one two billion dollars. The sales
were up in Australia at three point two percent, so
four point apt to spending more money at will was here.
Main Freight one of our favorite companies. They expect it's

(11:15):
full year underlying profit and revenue will beat market expectations.
The senior reduction of Ford Sea freight bookings for May Transpacific.
This is China US customers wishing to continue to ship
from China to the US are placing freight bookings on
Holt perhaps not surprisingly, six twenty one reviews talks.

Speaker 9 (11:34):
In b.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
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Speaker 2 (11:43):
B by far. In my humble opinion, the most interesting
piece of democracy over the weekend was the British vote,
and by some margin, but I'll explain more about that.
Singapore came home basically the way they thought. Well, they
got probably you know, the People's Action Party probably got
a little bit more than they thought they would in
terms of a percentage of the vote, but they got
eighty seven of the ninety seven seats. But we knew

(12:05):
that was going to happen. Elbow was interesting, but the
British one was scintillating. But anyway, more on that in
the moment. The Romanians, speaking of which are actually voting
as we speak in their presidential redo. This will be
interesting because we've got eleven candidates running. That means almost
certainly there's going to be a runoff because it's one
of those fifty percent races. So May eighteen's you run

(12:26):
off date. Five point one million have already voted. That's
twenty eight point seven percent of the eligible voters, six
hundred and thirty thousand of them, which they say is
a lot. A tremendous amount actually came from off shore,
the guy George Escue who topped the first round. Everyone
thought it was as dodge.

Speaker 9 (12:40):
Yeh.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
So I don't know how they're going to handle this
because he's called the vote rerun a fraud orchestrated by
those who have made deceit the only state policy. So
a bit of water to go under that bridge.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
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Speaker 2 (13:00):
Of the league. While the Warrior is riding high, the
rabbit Os are not. They sit at the bottom five.
They've got multiple players out with suspension. They got kicked
over the weekend by the night's thirty to four. So
coach Wayne isn't Bennett not happy?

Speaker 9 (13:12):
I think not very good.

Speaker 12 (13:16):
Well, you know, ask me questions that everybody see. So
I don't really want to go on a lot of
detail about it. But you know, a start was poor
and I didn't I didn't points down pretty early and
after that we went too bad and they all get
well paid. They all think they want to be first graders.
Well they got to play like first graders. And sim
was that.

Speaker 2 (13:33):
Is that an attitude thing?

Speaker 12 (13:35):
Of course it is, Well, they'd I fix your attitude.
I can't.

Speaker 9 (13:40):
Can I pict your attitude? I can't.

Speaker 12 (13:44):
You think I can't. Okay, it's personal. I've got to
fix of course that. They've got to own it first.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
I quite like the style. I'm always right Wayne. By
the way, Gaga was performing at Rio, there was a
plot to blow her up. They got to the before
it happened, so that was encouraging. Movie news. By the way, Disney,
did you get your update from Netflix? That yetting? And
they're putting up the price, and is that one of
those things that you're prepared to pay? I mean, of
course you'll moan about it, you'll set the gag k hand,

(14:13):
But you'll pay, won't you. And I know you will
pay because they reported the other day and the reporter
for the last time, for reasons best known to themselves,
They're not going to do numbers anymore. They're only going
to do revenue. And the revenue continue to go up
and the number of people paying has gone up as well,
So you will pay. But it's one of these things
where literally now it was it monthly bi monthly that
they just send you a bill and the price goes up. Anyway,

(14:34):
from the movies, Disney and Marble's Thunderbolts seventy six million domestically,
third highest debut of the year internationally one sixty two million,
eighty eight percent fresh on the rotten and ninety four
percent rating from audiences. So it will end up somewhere
like Netflix, and you'll pay more money for it than
you complain. Some more, speaking of which, smoking, do you

(14:55):
believe that a quarter of all cigarettes smoked in this
country are illegal? Is that possible? Apparently it's a big
deal going on at the moment. We have a look
at this some crumbsonable numbers after the Miners, which is
an excell.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
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Speaker 2 (15:18):
This for nothing. It's not just Netflix, it's Xbox. They
announce globally over the weekend that they're just going to
put the price of the latest Xbox up series five
or S or whatever they're calling it at the moment
eighty euros, another eighty euros in Europe, fifty bucks in Australia.
All their games are going up as well. PlayStation they're
on board with that. So there's obviously a time and
place at the moment whereby people are assessing. I note

(15:39):
that Nike Eddi Dass went to Trump over the weekend
said can you cut us some sort of exemption? I
don't think they're going to get any luck, but there's
obviously a time and a place at the moment where
people are assessing the quality of their product in the
marketplace and going if I charge another eighty euros, are
they going to pay it? Netflix have worked out that
I charge another four bucks, ten bucks, fifteen bucks. Are
you paying five hundred dollars a year for Netflix? Five

(16:01):
hundred dollars for a singular streaming service? And they're working
out that people are prepared to pay it. Twenty three
minutes away from seven, the Trump interview with NBC was interesting.
Richard Arnold with more of the detail if you missed
that over the weekend. Meantime, back here, elicit tobacco sales
booming business. Organized crime groups are using things like Facebook,
marketplace to sell. We know this because we've got new

(16:24):
research this morning from the tobacco industry that now claims
as much as a quarter of all cigarettes in this
country are sourced illegally. Chris Bullen, Auckland University, professor of
Public Health, is with us on this Chris morning to
you morning. Do you believe it?

Speaker 13 (16:39):
No?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
I don't, okay.

Speaker 13 (16:40):
I mean, I think there is a problem with illegal tobacco,
but I don't think it's as great it's being claimed
in the slowest support.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
So the report would be from tobacco. They want to
paint a worst picture to sort of stir the pot
do something about it, presumably, So you don't think that's real.

Speaker 9 (16:54):
No.

Speaker 13 (16:54):
In fact, another Tobacco Industry Commission report just twenty twenty
three said it was one in eight. So who do
you believe?

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 13 (17:03):
We think it's probably somewhere between five and ten percent.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Okay? Is that bad? Is it getting worse?

Speaker 13 (17:10):
There are going to be bursts of activity out there,
and Customs I think has received additional funding to boost
fair capacity to detect at the border othericit tobacco shipments.
So I think it's it's quite hard to know from
one year to the other, whether it's getting better or worse.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
I going to ask, you've got that research your view,
do we actually have to handle on what it is
or we're just sort of making this up as we
go along.

Speaker 13 (17:37):
Well, we're not making it up, and I think we're
getting better monitoring it. So we've now undertaken two ways
of monitoring for the Ministry of Health, and they suggest
looking back over ten years of information. At one aspect
has looked at a decade information it's just stable or
declining slightly. Other it's tricky to get a handle on

(17:57):
illegal activity, as you can imagine. The Facebook monitoring Facebook
Marketplace vile things interesting because whoever's selling these products, whether
it's organized crime or just individuals, they're using these platforms
now to advertise quite brazenly products. But they're tricky because
they keep changing what they're calling them. So we've got
a person part time who's fluent in two or three languages,

(18:21):
who's monitoring that.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Does anyone else monitor It's funny you should say that
I'm just a tech dinosaur. But kids were selling cars,
you know, and they go You never go to Facebook Marketplace.
It's just full of crocs. Is that true.

Speaker 13 (18:33):
Well, there's obviously good people on Facebook marketplace, but there
are criminal elements out there for sure, selling things that
are illegal to sell in New Zealand or doing breaching,
breaching the current rules and trying to bend the rules.
But they're doing it in other ways, and you know
community markets and construction sites. I walk through parts of

(18:54):
New Market every morning on my journey to walk what work,
and I see Chinese to back packets discarded and the
gutters that are non compliant with our rules.

Speaker 2 (19:04):
Got you there is? My next question is the tobacco
that's coming in here at tobacco or is it branded
stuff from offshore?

Speaker 13 (19:11):
Well, as far as we can tell, most of it
comes in as branded products from offshore.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
And it's obviously worthwhile if you as part of this
being driven age is simply by criminal activity for the
sake of it or has it got to the point
where the people who will not give up smoking the
tax is too high and if they can get it cheaper.

Speaker 13 (19:30):
They will, Well, I think both things. There is the
supply and demand issue. So the biggest thing the government
should do, I believe, apart from making sure that borders
are tight, is to reduce the demand for smoking through
all the tobacco control activity that we knew should have
been going on but was repealed, and then trying to

(19:52):
continue to drive it down. It is coming down, and
as demand drops, so demand for illegal tobacco should drop.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
Good stuff. Chris Presciut very much, Professor chriss Auckland University,
nineteen minutes away from seven Pasky William Skeets. By the way,
there's motor racing going on in the States of course
at the moment as well today. And Liam Skeits, who
we had on the program last week, who had that
deal whereby he's got a couple more races, one of
which was this weekend. He came sixth, so where I
think that's a good result and I think he'll be
pretty pleased with that. So hopefully the money continues to

(20:20):
flow out of all of that, and we wishing well
for the rest of the season.

Speaker 1 (20:23):
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Speaker 2 (20:30):
EP Liam did okay till he didn't, was my summation
of the weekend. It looked all right until he got pinged.
Then his battery didn't work, and it's got that wading
through mud vibe. About it's supposed to reign in Miami.
I check the forecast. Supposed to reign in Miami. About
now should be dry for the start. He'll start fourteenth
or fifteenth, I can't remember. Kind of doesn't matter. Unfortunately,

(20:50):
he might work his way up to the top ten.
Let's hope he does. Gasly's in the pit. By the way,
that starting grid has been amended. They broke park firm,
so they're going to start him from the pit. He
was at the bake of the field anyway. So we'll
see what happens in about on our's time.

Speaker 14 (21:04):
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Peace of Mind for New Zealand business in the States.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Vers Monday Morning with the Donald or good morning to you, Hey,
my goodness. Now the Trump Interview, NBC said a lot
of interesting stuff.

Speaker 15 (21:18):
Made a few headlines. Surprise Rise dealt with all the
contentious issues from the economy, to immigration and more. The
fate of the would be immigrants sent off to that
Salvador and torture prison is the lead item here because
those individuals were not given legal due process. Have they
even interviewed before they were put on the planes and
sent down there. This includes the Maryland man Nebrago Garcia,

(21:40):
and Trump was ridiculed the other day when he insisted
that Garcia was a gang member because he had the
gang letters the name of the gang MS thirteen tattooed
on his knuckles. You can see it in the photos,
said Trump, which led to endless jokes because what you
see in the photograph is photoshop printing of Ms one
to three on the page by someone the Trump team.

(22:00):
It's not on this man's body at all. Anyway, Trump
now is saying he does not know if he, as
the US president, needs to uphold the US Constitution when
it comes to legal due process. Reporter at Christen Welker
asking the question, don't you need to uphold the constitution
of the United States?

Speaker 16 (22:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (22:18):
You know, when presidents are sworn in, that is the
oath that they take, they swear to uphold the United
States Constitution. But now, in response to this latest question,
he says, your Secretary of State says, everyone who's here,
citizens and non citizens, deserve to process.

Speaker 17 (22:35):
Do you agree, mister, I don't know.

Speaker 16 (22:37):
I'm not a lawyer.

Speaker 15 (22:39):
I don't know.

Speaker 16 (22:40):
Well, the Fifth Amendment, I don't know. It seems it
might say that, But if you're talking about that, then
we'd have to have a million or two million or
three million trials.

Speaker 15 (22:49):
Well, on the tariff wars and the economy, Trump is
signaling his willingness maybe to lower China tariffs at some point,
and he says China is getting quite killed on the
trade front at the minute. As for the price hikes
that we're seeing, business trains, especially among what a small
business and consumer slumping the figures here, he was asked,
this is it okay in the short term to have processions.

Speaker 16 (23:13):
Look, yes, everything's okay. What we are I said, this
is a transition period. I think we're going to do fantastically.
Are you worried about a recession? No?

Speaker 9 (23:25):
Well.

Speaker 15 (23:25):
Trump also repeated his thing about children not needing, say
thirty dollars of doys for Christmas or birthdays or whatever,
but only two or three. And the same he said
with children's strollers, where prices are going up, going up
a lot.

Speaker 16 (23:39):
When I say strollers are going up, what kind of
a thing I'm saying that gasoline is going down? Gasoline
is thousands of times more important. There's strollers, some.

Speaker 15 (23:49):
Po strollers, and it's baby strollers. Not a big issue
unless you know you're having a baby, which is what
they've been advocating on other concerns. Trump says he will
be an eight year president in total, dismiss's talk built
by himself of a potential third term. He fuelled this
just days ago, saying he was serious about it all
despite the twenty second Amendment of the Constitution barring any

(24:12):
third term.

Speaker 16 (24:13):
This is not something I'm looking to do. I'm looking
to have four great years.

Speaker 15 (24:17):
He also refused to rule out the possibility of military
action over Greenland, so that topic goes back again.

Speaker 16 (24:23):
Something could happen with Greenland. I'll be honest. We need
that for a national and international security. Now I think
it's highly unlikely.

Speaker 15 (24:30):
Well, he joked about this also just last week, and
now the Catholic Bishops of New yorker responding to his
comment he posted where he put up a picture of
himself on social media and on the White House website
dressed as the Pontiff as the Pope. Catholic Bishops of

(24:52):
New York are responding saying there's nothing funny or clever
about that. Image that was posted also on the President's
Instagram account. The Archbishop of New York, Cordinel Dolan, says
the image has made a quote bad impression. The comedy
show SNL also responded.

Speaker 8 (25:06):
Last night, President Trump posted an AI generated an image
of himself as the Pope, apparently ordering a one way
ticket to Hell.

Speaker 15 (25:15):
So far, Mike, though no official word from the Vatican,
we will.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
See you Wednesday. Richard Arnold stateside by the way tomorrow
the met Gala, of course, the history of dandyism, black
style and the history of dandyism. It's Monday in May
for the met Gala. Omg of customs and the likes
can't stop large items like cigarettes coming into the country
in bulk. How can we have faith that they're going
to get on top of the drug import problem. Well,
it's a it's a wacka mole scenario that's largely driven

(25:40):
as far as I can work out by funding and resource, Mike.
I work on a large construction site in Auckland. Sixty
percent of workers on the site, orasion half of them smoke.
Not one of them would have New Zealand compliant cigarettes.
I don't smoke, but the lads might it works a
wei spend thirty five for one pack when you get
two packs for twenty eight to thirty or ten packs
one hundred s ten to seven.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
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togs head B.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
Mike asked lux and how much overseas venture capital so far? Trump?
He's got eight trillion. No, he doesn't, the same way
he doesn't have millions of Americans with ty little screw up.

Speaker 16 (26:16):
To close to eight trillion dollars.

Speaker 7 (26:18):
I think I can say.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
He doesn't have millions of Americans with tiny little screwdrivers
for his iPhone either. He is looking to cut six
billion from NASA, shipped a billion of it to the
Mars missions. And he did sign and this is moderately serious.
He did sign an order over the weekend to cease
direct funding to the maximum extent allowable by law to
PBS public broadcasting as this NCPB, so the public broadcaster

(26:42):
is Radio Free Asia, who also get government funding. They
basically they shut down the news broadcast, let all their
staff go. Obviously, the lawyers are involved. Their argument, the
Trump argument funding of the news media is not only
outdated and unnecessary, but corrosive to the appearance of journalistic independence,
that the media landscape has become more diverse. That part

(27:03):
is true, but it nevertheless is very contentious. Mike, as
regards Lawson, have you lost interest? Not at all. I'm
feeling like a lot of Kiwis have is it our
KEII attitude of him not being at the top, So
we move on. It's not a bad question, but I
have not lost interest in There does come a point though,
when the excitement debates, which it has, because we're well
into the season and the performance needs to be delivered.

(27:25):
You need to see something. He's had some bad luck
and he's had a lack of performance. So what we
need to see now him maximizes car. He needs to
beat not only Sonoda. I note that some people are
still fixated with Sonoda Soda. As I've said a million times,
Sonda's not the story. Haja is the story. His teammate
is the story. Hadja will start further up the field

(27:46):
this morning, then laws and will and as long as
that continues, that's Lawson's problem. So at some point, so not,
I haven't lost interest at all. He just needs to
come to the party and start delivering five away from
seven all the ins and the outs.

Speaker 1 (28:00):
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Speaker 2 (28:04):
We want to talk about sleep. We like sleep. Only
research tells us we like sleep, and the new research
comes from Samsung en Z, so they've looked into our habits.
Eighty seven percent of us say sleeps very important, no kidding.
Forty eight percent of the gen z Is say they
would trade a million dollars to be able to get
eight hours of uninterrupted sleep. I personally don't believe that.
So issues, We have issues, so many issues. So many

(28:25):
of us are angsty. Thirty percent feel anxious that you
don't get enough sleep, So you feel anxious, which leads
you to not getting sleep, and once you've had no sleep,
you even more anxious. Fifty three percent say it's stress
and anxiety. Sixty two percent. Lack of sleep causes arguments
with the old missus or the mister twenty eight percent,
so that causes arguments with work colleagues as well. Despite

(28:46):
the importance that we place on the sleep, only a
quarter of us get the recommended eight hours a night.
I'm not actually convinced the eight hours that they say
seven seven to eight sixty eight percent, so they don't
track their sleep. Of those that do, they use things
like night masks, routines, lavender pillows, sprays, sleep barms. Fifty
eight percent say scrolling on social media is the biggest

(29:07):
disruptor to their evening routine, and yet they still do it.
They say what, I say, what's that? And they go,
it's doom scrolling. I'm doom scrolling. I see doom scrolling?

Speaker 9 (29:16):
Are you?

Speaker 2 (29:16):
And even is that bad for you? Yes? It is,
But seventy two percent of them still do it anyway.
Forty three percent say their partner, kids or pets keep
them up.

Speaker 18 (29:26):
Yeah, it seems to be a lot of blame going
towards the partner's are in minutes.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
My solution, and I have one because I'm all about
the good news, is get yourself a breakfas show. And
when you get yourself a breakfas show, one of the
things that happens is you get up at two thirty
in the morning. And one of the things about getting
up at two thirty in the morning is you are
basically permanently buget and you sleep extremely well, or you are,
as my wife so eloquently puts it, Haggard, So you know,

(29:52):
I don't have any sleep problems because I'm shagged. Wayne
Map former Defense Minister, this, do the helicopters seem expensive
to you? Two billion dollars helicopters said, we need some
explanation on this. That's after the news, which is next.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
News, opinion and everything in between. The Mike Hoskey break
best with the range rover Villa designed to intrigue and
use Togsdad bs.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
On seven past seven some more detail on the new
defense spend. It's twelve billion all up night, of which
is new money yesterday. Two billion of that is going
to be spent on choppers and deployment. When former Defense
minister with us very good morning to you, good morning
money as side this smart spending.

Speaker 17 (30:31):
Yes, it is the existing helicopters. About fifteen years ago.
They were bought real cheap from the Australians. I managed
that and frankly they've done well to do fifteen years.

Speaker 2 (30:42):
Do explain unless I got the misreportage. Two billion dollars
for five choppers sounds like a lot per chopper.

Speaker 17 (30:50):
Yes, that would be, and I think it might be
a bit less than two billion. The Minister Collins is
quite clear. About five helicopters, well, that would be less
than two billion, even taking into account spares, simulators, etc.
The Spanish bought eight of these helicopters. They'll almost certainly
be American Seahawks. That make sense. The Assie said the

(31:11):
same thing for nine hundred and fifty million in US
and that'll be a complete package. So we might be
seeming significantly less than two billion.

Speaker 2 (31:19):
Okay. The deployment part in the role of the military.
Is this moving in the right.

Speaker 17 (31:23):
Direction, Yes it is. I mean we've struggled to get
proper deployments, particularly the Navy, although they're doing more of
that now, and part of that is, of course making
sure recruitment retention is up. We've had problems around that
as well, so the government is making the essential steps. Frankly,

(31:43):
the Defense Force has been running down for a little
bit in terms of recruitment and retention essentially, so that's
having to be bolstered up. And that's a fair chunk
of the twelve billion.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
Does retention solve itself? If you're joining somewhere that's got
new kit, does that make you want to join more?

Speaker 17 (32:01):
Yes? It does. I know that from my own experience
you know, you sort of if you go a young person,
you go in the military and everything's like sixty years old,
you think you're right. We looked second radio. If everything's
kind of knew, you think knew we were right in
the game.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Fantastic, All right, one appreciate the update. Prime Minister Chris
Luckson's in the studio with us very shortly. It's nine
minutes past seven. The past major weekend of democracy, from
the local vote in the UK of course, to Singapore
and of course Australia, where the government fired expectations to
some degree at least by not just winning but storming
home in and doing so, not just getting a second term,
but decimating the opposition who now have to not just

(32:37):
pick up the pieces but find themselves a new leader.
It's Goy News Australia's Laura Jays is back with this' Laura,
very good morning to you.

Speaker 19 (32:43):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Thoroughly enjoyed the coverage on Saturday night. The majority, I
think the majority was a chance, but so was a minority.
How big a shock was what actually happened?

Speaker 19 (32:54):
Well, none of the polls picked up not even the
internal polling of the Labor Party picked it up sort
of a shock to everyone. I mean, the best case
scenario going in were kind of talking about Labor having
high seventies. A good night for Labor going in was
going to be eighty seats and the Liverpool Party was
still talking about picking up somewhere between five and ten.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And look where we're at exactly the Greens I note
this morning have won. Is that about as good as
because yesterday they had none? Is one as good as
it gets?

Speaker 20 (33:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 19 (33:24):
One is probably as good as it gets. I mean
it's interesting because that have increased their primary votes slightly,
but that's not how our parliamentary system works, so it's
not the rules.

Speaker 16 (33:36):
Of the game.

Speaker 19 (33:37):
So I mean one, I mean, if Adam Band was
to lose his seat, Labor would see that as well.
The whole Parliament would see that as a big win,
I think. But that one Max Chandell may them so
that he's the Green that's lost his seat. He held
that by ten point five percent in Queensland in Griffith

(33:58):
and that was Kevin Rudzold's seat, so that was a
real grudge match for Anthony Alberezi, so to get that
back was pretty sweet for him.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I run through the names Angus Taylor, Andrew Hasty, Dan
t and Susan Lay. Are these obvious names to replace?
Dun't know.

Speaker 19 (34:13):
We just don't know, I mean the most obvious. But
the hard truth for the Liberal Party is you look
at those names and they don't scream leader, none of
them do. The fact that they have to turn their
attention to one of those four names is really an
indictment on the party and where they're at right now.
I mean, Angus Taylor is a good performer, he's the

(34:36):
Shadow Treasurer, but he's tied to Peter Dutton and this
loss Labor Party. People saying to me all throughout the campaign,
you only ever get one Angus Taylor, and that was
said in a disparaging way. Susan Lay, I mean she's
had to say from pre selection three times she's the
woman in the mix. But honestly, I don't think that

(34:58):
would be a good direction for the Liberal Party to go.
Andrew Hasty such an impressive young person. I mean, he's
from an SAS soldier. He's brilliant, but he has not
been in there fighting for the Liberal Party in a
political sense. There's a view that he's tried to keep
his powder dry and he holds a w on his seat.

(35:21):
I mean, with the decimation on the East coast, can
you really go with a WA leader? And that leads
you with Dante, and he's really a nice guy, really impressive.
He's had to fight off this independent in his seat
of one on the outer edges of Melbourne, so I
think he's probably he would be my pick. But I

(35:45):
think any leader that you're going to get in the
Liberal Party now is just an intraim leader. They're not
going to be there to fight the next election. They
need to really dig in, find some talent and start
pre selecting some good people. The problem is they can't find.

Speaker 20 (35:59):
Young peop people or women to vote.

Speaker 19 (36:01):
For them, or run for them or over join the party.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
What risk he did so well elbow other side of
the fence that it all goes to his head and
their head and they blow.

Speaker 19 (36:11):
It, absolutely mate. I mean, that's the biggest risk in it.
We saw that with John Howard and worked choices we
had control of the House and the Senate. Now that's
not the same scenario here. But hubris is always always big,
big risk here, and there is a chance that the
labor parties try to over it. I mean, I asked

(36:32):
Sally said about this yesterday. A strong government is when
you have a strong opposition or we don't have that.
We don't have a strong opposition. We have a very
strong cross bench in the Teals though, so I think
the Teals need to step up play a bigger role
even though they don't have the balance of power. I mean,
there's things like negative gearing. We know that labor in

(36:53):
their hard and hearts want to touch it at out
without a mandate. I think it would be poisonous, but
you know, they might just try it, but we will see.

Speaker 2 (37:02):
Always a pleasure, Laura, I appreciate getting up in the
early hours of the morning, Laura. Jay's out of sky
news for us this morning, fourteen past seven, tasking Mike,
Ever since I cut sugar and carbs, very very good
point this, Ever since I cut sugar and carbs out
of my diet, I'm on keito, I've been sleeping like
a rocket. Very true. There's a lot of disruptors. Sugar
is one of the malcohols. Another which essentially is sugar.
Of course, Mike Lawson's only one point three six seconds

(37:23):
behind some of the fastest the if one drivers on
the planet. People need to remember he's a rookie with
a lot to learn. True, but your number is either
a good insight or a lack of understanding. One point
three six seconds may as well be a week. One
point three sixty seven is going around the track so
often you're lapped and so in that it's that race
or the sport is decided in tenths, if not one hundredths,

(37:47):
nothing like one point three six fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
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Speaker 2 (37:57):
At b PM in the studio shortly seven past seven.
New tool for schools. We have a parent portal which
presumably dovetails with the local schools portal. It will have
lessened summaries for each year, group videos, tools to help
students learn at home. Secondary Principal's Association President Born Coyo
is back with us one morning, Good morning, how are
you well? Are we on the right track here?

Speaker 20 (38:17):
Look, any opportunity to involve parents and farno in learning
is a good opportunity because we know that kids learn
better when their families know what's going on at school.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Does any well, does it take anything that an active
parent wouldn't already do.

Speaker 20 (38:34):
Probably not. It just curates it into an easier to
find space, so you know, you can you can go
and look up past tommosis and activity exams on Enzika's website.
On the portal, you can just click in one place.
So it's more of a curation of stuff than necessarily
creating new resources. However, when you're talking about the curriculum refresh,
that is a new piece of so all of that

(38:55):
stuff by default will be new resource.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
Yes, indeed it well does it dovetail and specifically with
what any given school is doing or would you need
to leap between portals and talk to teachers and stuff
like that.

Speaker 20 (39:07):
At this stage, there's not that interconnectivity. It is a
resource about what's going on in the curriculum refresh and
structured Literacy, Structured Numeracy and the Literacy Numeracy CORECUID its MZQA.
It's not a two way click communication tool between schools
and the ministry resources.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Okay, out of ten, I know this is a simple question.
Ten being brilliant, one being a disaster. We are we
getting a pass mark here?

Speaker 20 (39:32):
Ah, It's definitely between seven and ten. At the minute.
It's a good idea. It's not fully populated at this
point because it's still just been released before all the
resources are there, so it'll hopefully get better over time.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
Okay, appreciate it very much, bon Cooyo, who's the Secondary
Principal's Association President, Mike. The very first box of political
leader needs to tick is charisma. Dunton has zero and
was a terrible candidate. Australia will suffer all the woke
garbage that came with the Left of the next three years.
It's one of the more fascinating, as I said earlier
in the program, the most election by a mile, and
I will come back to it in the next half
hour was the British one. But what was interesting for

(40:06):
me in Australia was not just the size of the wind,
because it was very comprehensive went although to be fair,
in terms of percentages of the vote, Labor didn't actually
do that well and the Coalition didn't do that badly.
It's just where the votes landed. Seat wise, it came
home very much like Labor in Britain, as a percentage
of the vote in the last general election got less

(40:28):
support than they did the time before, and yet this
time they won by a mile. Last time they lost
by a mile. So it's the vagary of the system.
But at no point did Australia embrace Elbansi or the
Labor government. At no point did they go these guys
are running the show like I've never seen I love
it more. Please. They hated them until they had to
make a choice, and the choice was I hate you

(40:49):
less than the other guy. So your point about regrets
may well be real. Seven twenty.

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(42:08):
hear of the passing of Bob Jones, Sir Robert Jones.
The last contact I had with him, I think was
last year when he sent me a copy of his
latest book. They always came with a personal note. When
I say personal, a letter came with a letter. He
would have dictated the letter and had it typed up,
and he signed it himself. He was from a different
era of sorts. I never received an email from Bob

(42:30):
only letters. Last time I dealt with him in person
was in his office in Wellington, overlooking the harbor. That
too was from an era beautifully set up as you
can imagine, but in a time and place kind of way,
a lot of paneling, a lot of staff. His office
was large on the corner. Of course, he smoked. That
became a thing in the Helen Clark days, by the way,

(42:50):
when she was busy making rules around smoking indoors. Bob
was having none of that, because his office he was
the boss, if not the king. So last time I
was in his office, we had wine and we sat
amongst this whilling tobacco smoke coming out of his pipe.
The artwork was worth the trip alone. He had one
fantastic taste and two a fantastic collection. He also had
one of the best brains you'll ever encounter. What was

(43:11):
often lost, actually by many, in the barrage of cantankerous Voobiage,
was the amount of knowledge and wisdom he had gleaned
from a lifetime of reading and travel. There wasn't a
place he hadn't been. He had more stories than you
ever had time to hear, and he had well or time,
but he had time to tell you small irony are noted.
On Friday night when I watched the television. In their coverage,
they made much of the Rod Vaughn helicopter encounter, the

(43:32):
irony being no one these days hires a chopper to
go looking for a fisherman. TV three reflected the modern malaism,
afraid to say his passing was the second story behind
the weather, even though the weather was the day before
his news That showed a lack of understanding of who
Jones was and what he contributed to the country. That's
the problem with modern newsrooms these days. The institutional knowledge
has largely left the building. From business to politics to

(43:55):
public discourse, Jones was an invaluable addition to the national psyche.
I'm afraid, bold, brilliant with the language, and fantastically funny
because he was fantastically a reverend, even when a reverence
was wildly more tolerated than it is these days. It
was a great life and he was a great man.
Asking Mike, why the hell do you get up at

(44:17):
two thirty when you start at six ten minutes shower,
ten minute, bricky bricky hah, half an hour to get
to work. Surely no one's on the road at that time.
You correctly, they're not drive to work at three point thirty,
sit there for two and a half hours. Please explain.

Speaker 18 (44:34):
There's a lot of good questions there.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Hi, Mike, Can I ask if your show doesn't start
until five point thirty, why do you have to get
up at two thirty? No, it's such a good question,
not such a good question. This show doesn't start at
five thirty. When did it start at five thirty? Glenn?

Speaker 18 (44:50):
Ummm, well no, September eleven, two thousand and one.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
It did that day five thirty start? Yeah, so on
that one day. Yeah, just the one day and one
day alone. Apart from that, it's never started at five
point thirty. But you never know, do you? You don't.
I don't know whether to laugh, to see your question
as cynical slash humorous, to call you a moronic idiot,

(45:16):
or just to sit here and weep. But I shall
come back to bed after the news, which is upon
us by people who arrived about thirty seconds before the
bulls actually started. The Prime Minister is.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
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Speaker 2 (45:49):
Three minutes away from eight serving a Monday Departments us
in the studio. Good to see you, and I believe
Parliament's back this week.

Speaker 21 (45:55):
In my cornala man, you'll be pleasing those three weeks
citting you're going to deliver a budget over thateriod of times.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
But isn't it great We're back at work. I'm so
pleased here at a couple of a couple of things. First,
have you talked well? But yes I did.

Speaker 21 (46:05):
I had a great chat with him yesterday morning. The
voice was very hoarse. I think he's probably still in
his pajamas, but he was obviously feeling pretty good after
a pretty emphatic win.

Speaker 9 (46:14):
As you saw you.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
Despite the ideological different size, Hume's business as usual and
we get on well.

Speaker 21 (46:19):
Yeah, it's really interesting. Actually, even though we're different political parties,
I guess the center might be slightly different in both countries.
But actually, you know, Key got on very well with Gillard,
and actually that some of the best collaborations at a
personal level have been from leaders and different parties. Albanezi
I knew before I came to politics. And so yeah,
we've got a great friendship.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
Actually, did you know Dutton.

Speaker 21 (46:40):
I knew him a little bit. I met with him
a couple of times here in New Zealand, and I'd
sort of talked to him a few times when I
was over in Australia as well, So, you know, really
decent individual.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I thought.

Speaker 21 (46:49):
I sent him a text and spoke to him as
well and just said, I thought you gave a very
classy concession speech, you know, pretty difficult when he got
a result like he got, and wished him well for
the future.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
So we appreciated that what do you make of the world?
So much is being made of you? You go and
I know you, yeah, commented not yesterday, you go to
stability and what you know? And yet in Britain they didn't. Yeah,
they tipped it on its head. So is the world
really moving to what we know? Or is I think
the results I looked out.

Speaker 21 (47:14):
I spoke to Mark Carney yesterday as well in Canada,
and also spoke with Lawrence Wong, the Singapore Prime minister
as well. Different political system, but actually he lifted his
result in the popular vote, which was good. And then
obviously Anthony in Australia, and I think those three elections,
to say to you, people are acknowledging and I see it.
People are anxious about what's going on in the world
at the moment. We've also got coming through difficult times

(47:36):
with inflation and all of that stuff, and they want
strong economic management at uncertain times, you know, And that's
what you know, our government's been pretty relentlessly focused on
from day one because that's the thing that matters most
to New Islanders. And when you start talking about other
stuff other than that, that's not what they're interested in,
because they want you there to fix the problems that
they're experiencing.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
David Tamore says we got too many ministers.

Speaker 21 (48:00):
Well, nah, I think I think actually it's about delivery
of that public service and so I'm very comfortable with
what the setup is, but I'm uncomfortable with the performance
we're getting out of the public service and I want more.
And so for me, it's not about the number of ministers.
It's actually about the size of the ministries that are
supporting those ministers, and more importantly, the effectiveness of them.
You know, As I've said to you before, I think

(48:21):
we're making some good progress with We talk the language
of outcomes and results, and I meet with the sees
of the public service. We've obviously made quite a few
changes in personnel and staff and that's making a big
difference when you get the right leader on the right department.
You know, think about what's happened at Housing New Zealand
with Simon Motor and others. That's been really positive. So
now I think at the moment interesting intellectual idea. Yep,

(48:45):
you look at that down the road, but for right now,
we need delivery out of the public service.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
MB have nineteen reporting lines to ministers. I mean, that's nuts.
Is that too many ministers or is that what you're
arguing the department?

Speaker 21 (48:56):
I think you know, if you look at MB, there's
been a massive growth in FT people in that department.
There's been a lot of a lot of growth in
some of the public service. We've just got to keep
pruning that back and also getting it very very focused.
I've tried to simplify by having ministers that have clusters
of like sort of activities or portfolios around them to

(49:17):
make better sense. There's more coherency to it. But there's
things that we could continue to do to improve the
public service and the wiring of which units go everywhere.
But to be honest, do I want to spend the
next twelve months radically restructuring the public service and actually
not delivering improved outcomes. I want the outcomes and the
efficiencies and the the other thing i'd say, Mike on
the public services. I think the big opportunity is in technology.

(49:39):
I think if we could digitize government where you as
a customer dealing with the government, and you are a
customer actually could use technology in a way, you would
simplify the back end of it really well. And if
you look at what's happened in places like a Stoneia
in Singapore and the UAE, you know, they know your Mike,
and they know that you've got a number of kids,
and you can do an AI sort of natural language

(50:00):
query about what your entitlements might be versus going to
a health website and education website. So we could equit engineers.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
But that's that's my I mean, Singapore also runs the
country with a handful of ministers, and the prime ministers
played two million bucks a year, and they're just a
completely different country.

Speaker 21 (50:14):
They're different minds, a different setup. But Estonia as an
MMP type environment like US. The UA is obviously a
different model. But my point is I want the public
service to think of the public of New Zealand as
customers and they are large service organizations as you would
expect outside of in the private sector.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
And Audrey Young, do you read her piece and score
with eight? You got an eight from her her annual
marketing and she says this better at managing the government
internally than selling it domestically. Is that fair?

Speaker 11 (50:43):
Oh?

Speaker 21 (50:43):
Look, I think there's You're constantly reflecting on what more
you can do better, and I'm sure there's better communication
I could could do and I've got to keep working
at that, and you know I will. But for me,
you know, I came to politics four years ago because
I want the country to realize it's potential. I think
it's a great country and I don't think we have.
I've brought a lot of managerial sort of approach to

(51:04):
what I'm doing. I've got my team, I think the
right ministers on the right assignments with real clarity and
holding them to account and supporting them when they need that,
and obviously running the public service with quarterly targets and
all those kinds of things. So yeah, I do think
you know that CEO background is actually quite useful for
the time that we're in.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
The critics are here on yesterday's announcement, defend this. What's
the quickest way to get your military spend into two
percent of GDP? So we can say we're doing but
go and weigh two billion dollars on five helicopters. You say, what, now,
that's rubbish.

Speaker 21 (51:33):
What's different on the defense plan is that in the
past you'd have people say we're going to do all
this stuff, but there was no money associated with the investments.
We've got a really clear plan for fifteen years of
the capabilities and the skills we want to build into
the defense force in New Zealand that will then plug
in well with the Australians and other defense partners. And
what's unique here as we've put spending associated with that.

(51:54):
So we will spend twelve billion dollars over the next
four years. In the first budget announcement you'll see coming
out this year. You know that announcement will be there'll
be around two billion dollars for those five marine helicopters.
We need those helicopters. That's a right capability for us
to have when we do emergency management in the Pacific
and bank go home.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
I know you're not going to answer, and I probably
asked you this before, but it came to my mind
yesterday when you announced what you're twelve billion is a
stunning amount of money. It's over four years, I understand that,
and nine of it's new and we don't have any
of it. So Nicola, in announcing one point three instead
of two point four as she did last week, must
have found a shitload of dough somewhere in terms of savings,

(52:37):
has she again?

Speaker 21 (52:39):
And I'm going to be the wrong answer that you're
not going to like, but it is.

Speaker 2 (52:41):
I'm not going to talk about otherwise it just doesn't
add up.

Speaker 21 (52:44):
Well, I can tell you it does add up, and
it's within our fiscal track and so I appreciate you know,
people have lots of questions about how we're going to
fund it and do that that will be revealed as
we deal with the.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
BU It will all make sense.

Speaker 9 (52:54):
It will all.

Speaker 21 (52:55):
Makes sense, and what you're going to see as a
budget that is actually saying yep, we know we're in
tough and uncertain times, but we have turned the corner
and actually things are getting better now. We actually want
to make sure that this we are investing for growth,
and that's why we're calling it the growth budget. But
it's also going to be responsible because we have to
pay down that debt over time. We actually have to
get our books in much better shape than what they

(53:15):
have been and so it will be responsible and that's
what you should expect from a government led by Nicola
and myself.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
John Ryan's report into the Have you read it if
you know what I'm talking about, the EWE relations and
the deals that have been done with Murray over the years.
He's on his way out, isn't he? Isn't he? John
Ryan leaving ordered to general. I'm not sure I thought
it was anyways written this major report that says basically,
none of the government departments are meeting Marie expectations as

(53:43):
a result of the treaty process. In other words, you
see you sign a treaty deal and no one follows up. Yeah, look,
I think one of them's got a KPI a target
nothing Yeah so or not?

Speaker 21 (53:54):
No, No, there is a real there is an issue
there which I've spoken with Tamar about and we've we've
tooked that through. He sees to you what happens is
you do a treaty settlement and then there are obligations
on the crown and on EWE work.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
He says, you're not making any of them.

Speaker 21 (54:07):
Well, I think that we can do. I agree with that.
I don't think we've done a good enough job of
following through on the actions. And I meet with typically
some of those EWE you know, each year with my
set of ministers, and the key question is and thim
is now getting it gripped up. But we do have
a plan to actually say, right, are you following through
on those actions and those commitments that we've made. I
do think we can do a better job on that.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Is Talma coming back to you in my lifetime. On
the review of the White Tangy Tribune, Yes he is.

Speaker 21 (54:31):
He's working on that right now.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
So you say that every time. I know, I'm sure
he's working on it. When's he going to produce something
that Scott's not sure on the time? Was last week?
You say, where the hell's the report on the White
tang In Tribune or TAMA or words to that effect. No,
he's very.

Speaker 21 (54:47):
Clear about what he's expected to deliver, and that's one
of the things he's working very closely on.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Tom Rutherford, Yeah, tell me about him. Have you heard
this morning story?

Speaker 9 (54:54):
No?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
What's the story?

Speaker 13 (54:55):
Is?

Speaker 2 (54:55):
He stopped in the middle of a highway. There was
a man who was in some mental distress. Do you
know the story?

Speaker 12 (55:00):
Now?

Speaker 9 (55:01):
I don't know?

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Okay, So he's in some mental distress. He's in the
middle of the highway over the weekend. Tom's on his
way home from the market. He stops, put his life
at risk to help this guy off the state highway?
Is that Tom?

Speaker 9 (55:14):
Tom? That he united?

Speaker 21 (55:15):
That is a great young man and he's got a
great future. And he's someone I've spent a lot of
time with and he really cares about people. He's a
great rugby referee, does all sorts of things in his community.
He's just a stand up, classy guy.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Did you go to Adrianaw's farewell?

Speaker 12 (55:31):
No?

Speaker 2 (55:31):
I didn't because there was no do I was invited. No, No,
there was no booze. There were six thousand dollars for
a gift. There were sausage rolls and cookies and water.
Induce Is that what the public service is down to now,
is that a public is that a public service farewell.

Speaker 21 (55:49):
I don't know. There's are decisions for the Public Service Commissioner,
but I wasn't invited to the farewell.

Speaker 2 (55:55):
Does he know us an explanation as to why he quit? Well, look,
I mean do you know why he could?

Speaker 21 (56:01):
No?

Speaker 2 (56:01):
No, I don't.

Speaker 21 (56:02):
I mean I just know that you know we yea,
he made his own independent decision.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
Yeah, but did he split it? Don't you want to know?
I mean he held one of the most significant roles
in the public service of this country and took us
through an extraordinary economic journey and they just manished.

Speaker 9 (56:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:15):
Well, I mean we came back for some biscuits and
some juicy and then again.

Speaker 21 (56:23):
Well, I mean all I can say is that, you know,
we've come in as a new government. We respect the
independence as you would expect me to say of the
Reserve Bank of New Zealand, as we should, but we
focused it on a mandate of killing inflation, which it
started to do, which it has done, which is good.
That has led to interest rates coming down. That's putting
money and keep his pockets. So I'm focused on the future.
I can't really deal with the past. And all right,

(56:43):
and what did it didn't happen through that. You appreciate
your time. Christopher likes it's to have away from it.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
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Speaker 2 (56:53):
It'd be I think I'm right and seeing John Ryan
the orders of the General's leaving Prime Minister didn't seem know,
maybe I'm wrong. Anyway, doesn't matter, but the Adrian au
thing fascinates me. Six one hundred and eighty dollars. This
happened last week. It was going to be held the farewell.
It was going to be held at the Pipatitia Mariah. Remember,
of course he just announced he was off and he's
never been seen again, and he suddenly popped back up

(57:14):
last week for the farewell at Pipatilla Mariah. They had
to change that because the weather was so appalling in Wellington,
so they went and held it in their offices. So
they claiming six thousand, one hundred and eighty dollars on
gift and catering costs for venue high to be determined.
I wouldn't have thought there any costs for venue high,
given they held it in their offices. So six thousand,
one hundred and eighty confirmed the alcohol free event. Now

(57:37):
I'm not all for getting slashed during the week, but
I mean a glass of something, you know, to say
farewell to the Reserve Bank governor. Surely has the public
service got that tight? Alcohol free event featured sausage rolls, cookies.
Who even uses that term? Apart from when you're at kindergarten?
Would you like a cookie? These are Reserve Bank people.

(57:58):
So sausage rolls, cookies, muffs, hot beverages, juice and water.
Does that sound to you like the most god awful,
boring farewell in the history of farewells. Thus, even with
the cost of living crisis, even with the cost of
sausage rolls, that leaves a pretty reasonable amount of money
at six one hundred and eighty for a gift. So

(58:20):
I want to know what the gift was. I'm not
being penny pinching about this. See I hope they gave
him something nice, but I would argue and let me
know what you think. Does he not as one of
the most high profile public servants in this country not
to mention the most influential I was an explanation. Why
did he do it?

Speaker 9 (58:39):
Just?

Speaker 2 (58:39):
I don't care what it is? He can just say, Look,
I got sick of it. I got tired of the government.
They wanted to cut the budget by too much. I
got bored, I got angry.

Speaker 18 (58:48):
Could I face another interview with my host?

Speaker 2 (58:49):
Couldn't face another interview with Mike Hosking packed a mass
of set whatever. Just turn up and say why you're leaving.
It's all I want to know. Serve it away from it.

Speaker 1 (58:58):
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Speaker 2 (59:02):
Six thousand, Mike will be for the panamu handled toilet brush.
You know what the irony of that is is I
wouldn't be surprised. Not necessary a toilet brush, but a
bit of panamu. That's a very reserved bank. Hopefully it's
a one way ticket to anywhere, Mike. The public services
that type people leave after twenty years and it's bring
a plate. It's all. Yeah, there's something. There's a line,
isn't there. There's nothing wrong with demanding frugality and we

(59:26):
don't want waste, but there's something awful about water cookies
and a sausage roll. It sounds just so boring. Morning, Mike.
Tom Rutherford nicest guy, a hard working MP. You should
get him on. Maybe we will news for you in
a couple of minutes. Then let's rip into a busy
weekend of sport with the lads.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
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Speaker 22 (59:58):
It's snow now run come and the Blues get the
bonus point and they're in the top six floud spots
for maybe only twenty four hours.

Speaker 8 (01:00:07):
All times up boil over in the Capitol, the table
toppers topples and my wide up is.

Speaker 22 (01:00:16):
Going to go fade history once more, the what and
four side mast in for the first time, the beat
the heighthedness for the first time.

Speaker 23 (01:00:24):
Three wins from the opening four races for Alex Pollo.

Speaker 15 (01:00:29):
That is your podium plow Lunkard.

Speaker 24 (01:00:32):
M Lachlin and it's light sound and away we.

Speaker 6 (01:00:35):
Goes back to staff and get to the excellent start.

Speaker 23 (01:00:37):
From London Norris.

Speaker 24 (01:00:38):
He goes Kenny an Sinnadi.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
With PS three on the inside the stafford. Yeah, now
interesting the starts.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
We're under virtual safety carro at the moment, there was
a bump between the step and Norris at the very
start of the doing's just out. That's why we've got
a safety car. He hit somebody and he's got a puncher.
So he's now out of the race and Lawson is
currently he hit Laws and did he so Lawson gave
him the puncture. So far this weekend, Lawson's run Alonso
off the track and has now caused Jack doing a

(01:01:13):
puncher to leave the race. Lawson currently last in the field.
Andrew Sabil and Jason Pine, both with US Fellows.

Speaker 24 (01:01:18):
Good morning, Morning Morning.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
I get the scenes Andrew that I said it earlier
on the program. Lawson needs to deliver a little bit
and he seems to be wading through. I mean, some
of it's his fault, some of it isn't, but he
seems to be working fairly hard.

Speaker 22 (01:01:33):
There just seems to be with each race meeting something
that's untoward with his car, or there's an incident or yeah,
maybe there's still the settling period. There's no doubt about
it that he's racing hard and trying hard. I mean,
that seventh place finish yesterday I thought was outstanding, but
then he had the points taken off by the stewards obviously,

(01:01:56):
So yeah, he's as we know, he's a racer. He's racing,
but things just aren't going as way.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Now are you watching it this morning, Jason?

Speaker 8 (01:02:04):
I am, yes, watching it as we speak, Mike. My
attention divided slightly, eyes up on the screen.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
To be fair, it was Lawson got spun when he
hit Do and so he's he's at the back of
the field. So it's going to be a very interesting
sort of brace. So as far as the Warriors concerned, Andrew,
let's focus on the real success stories of the weekend.
So the Warriors, I mean, tell me that they're not
one of the best sides in the entire competition now, consistent,
still still got players missing, they're winning, they're winning well.

Speaker 22 (01:02:35):
I just can't believe they're winning so well, Mike, and
playing so well spishally. Defensively, yes, are scoring tries, but
I think their defense has been very good in the
last few games, with those crucial wins without Fisher Harris,
without two I Vasask and a couple of others. I
think they've been doing remarkably well, and yes, they'd have

(01:02:56):
to be one of the best things.

Speaker 9 (01:02:57):
Look about.

Speaker 22 (01:02:57):
Second, Yeah, so you can't you can't deny that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
No, exactly, And if the Dogs had one yesterday we
would have been tired for first. You must be loving Jason.
I hope you're spending a lot of time on that
fabulous award winning afternoon show of yours on the weekend
talking about the Warriors.

Speaker 8 (01:03:10):
Lots of focus on the Warriors, Mike, I am loving it.
It's got a bit tense at the end, didn't it
against the Cowboys thirty points to twelve ahead, But yeah,
I think you know Sam's right.

Speaker 24 (01:03:20):
The defense of the side is what's so impressive.

Speaker 8 (01:03:22):
That try saving tackle by Luke Metcalf yep near the
end of that game, which would have leveled it up
a thirty all were a kick to come for the
Cowboys's that's effectively won the Warriors that match.

Speaker 24 (01:03:34):
I'm liking Luke Metcalf.

Speaker 8 (01:03:35):
I know he's still a work in progress in certain
areas of his game, but I'm really liking what he's doing.
And yeah, I mean you you can't make you the
Warriors looking good. A couple of weeks away. They've got
a couple of away games Dragons Dolphins. That home game
against the Raiders at the back end of May is
going to be quite something as they try and get
some revenge for what happened in Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I watched the snooker and the f one of course
sav and the Warriors so there. Before I watched zero rugby.

Speaker 22 (01:04:02):
Highlight was what Mowana beating the Highlanders in Dunedin. Also
the Canes, what they did in that second half against
the Chiefs, who let's not forget the Chiefs are still
number one. I thought the Hurricanes played very well. They've
sent out a bit of a warning as they did
a few weeks ago a couple of weeks ago on Canberra,
but other performances now they just need to string a
few together. But the Hurricanes will certainly be there, I

(01:04:24):
think come playoff time. But I thought mowana Is first
ever went out against the Highlanders yesterday. It was outstanding
sporting drama that the lead was changing quite a few
times in the second half and then the charge down
try to win it in the end. I thought it
was superb. And now Mowana is in the top six
and who would have thought that was?

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
That part is true? Can I just pull you up
on the thing about the Highlanders? The Highlanders are useless?

Speaker 22 (01:04:49):
I mean really yeah, yeah yeah, the Highlanders.

Speaker 9 (01:04:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 22 (01:04:53):
But still given Mowana's season, I've had given some of
the stuff they had to put up with off the field,
I think what they did was was fantastic. To go
to Dunedin and to score another win, and to be
ahead of other teams, other more fancy teams, I think
is outstanding.

Speaker 24 (01:05:09):
But what about Artie's try? What about we've seen that is?
He is a remarkable rugby player.

Speaker 22 (01:05:17):
Another eighty minutes, another inspirational performance. He's lead. I think
he's leading the best player standings in the competition and
he should win that hands down.

Speaker 8 (01:05:29):
There were warriors weren't there with it when he went
to mo Onea pacifica ah, you know what's going to
happen to Artie?

Speaker 22 (01:05:32):
Will he be up to it?

Speaker 24 (01:05:33):
Will he?

Speaker 12 (01:05:34):
You know?

Speaker 8 (01:05:34):
Will they drag him down? It's the other way around.
He has pulled that team up. He is a remarkable
rugby player. Artista there and just that try yesterday just
the latest evidence of it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Just quickly, Jason, that lost to Auckland FC. Is that
the we've won these so we let it slip mentally
or something out to it.

Speaker 8 (01:05:53):
So I think at the back of their minds they
knew that there was nothing really writing on that game. Look,
it's not ideal. You don't want to go into a
final series off the back of a loss. But you know,
if there was ever any complacency, it'll be gone now.
I think we kind of just draw a line under it,
Mike and look forward to the semi finals. Non ideal,
but yet I'll I'll have a week off now and
look forward to the home and away semis in a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:35):
Here's Lawson after he got hit.

Speaker 12 (01:06:37):
Let me go around a loss of.

Speaker 13 (01:06:38):
One Now, yeah, I got completely I have no idea
what the hopeing was doing.

Speaker 24 (01:06:46):
I'd like to see that old board as well. That
was we have laws coming along on the outside of
Jack doing.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
So he's now at the back of the field, Liam
Lawson the stepping leads, along with Piastre Antonelli and Norris
and Jason Pine and Andrew Sebler with us Andrew took.

Speaker 22 (01:07:03):
There may be an issue with his car mate, because
what is He's six or seven seconds behind Gasley in eighteenth.
Lawson is nineteenth, So maybe there's an issue there.

Speaker 2 (01:07:11):
Yeah, all over the weekend with the battery and the
car and stuff like that. The Indian Panthers explained to
me why we had an Indian team suddenly in the league,
Why we let a team into the league that clearly
had problems, and how bad does this look for basketball?

Speaker 22 (01:07:27):
I think at the time it sounded too good to
be true, expanding into what is obviously a massive market,
and clearly it was too good to be true. I
think the league it's made a mistake, or didn't make
a mistake. I think he's on basketball pretty swiftly in
suspending the team. I don't know if we'll see them
back again. It's probably up to the national league here

(01:07:48):
in the country to make sure they have a strong,
financially sustainable league number one and all the teams are
financially stable and strong in the league before they start
expanding to a country like India.

Speaker 24 (01:08:01):
Maybe when they were.

Speaker 22 (01:08:03):
Sitting around the board table thrashing things out, a good
idea on paper but just hasn't worked.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
What do you make of it, Jason? Is it big
among the sporting coment? It just makes I mean, participation wise,
basketball is as big as it gets as far as
I know in this country, along with football. But it
just looks jerry manned and amateurish, doesn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:08:19):
Yeah, you're right about there. I mean it's huge basketball massive.

Speaker 8 (01:08:23):
I think that's been It's an attempt at innovation, and look,
I don't think any of us would ever deny, you know,
any sporting organization the right to try and innovate. It
just has been, you know, the due diligence has not
been strong enough behind the Indian Panthers organization. You know,
dig a couple of layers deeper than they have and
they would have found out a bit of stuff that

(01:08:43):
that would have probably helped them in making a different decision.

Speaker 24 (01:08:46):
Had Jeff Green on the radio over the weekend.

Speaker 8 (01:08:48):
He thinks that the Indian Panthers are trying to get
into the Australian National Basketball League and coming in through
New Zealand was a way of doing that.

Speaker 24 (01:08:56):
I don't know whether that's true or not.

Speaker 8 (01:08:58):
I mean, they can't even pay their players and the
New Zealand league, so how they're going to manage Australian
league is.

Speaker 24 (01:09:03):
Is another question. But look, it hasn't worked. I think
you know they have. They've held up their hands and said, look,
this hasn't worked.

Speaker 8 (01:09:10):
You know, full marks for trying to innovate, but very
low marks for the execution of this one.

Speaker 9 (01:09:16):
Tell you what I think.

Speaker 22 (01:09:17):
It just raises a concern. It raises a just quickly
he raises another concern is that basketball has grown so
fast and it's and it's massive that you just hope
that at the very top it's being run well, it's
being administered well, because if it's not, then it's the
then it's the bottom of the triangle that'suffs. But like football,
Jason might comment on this is that football has huge numbers,
but sometimes you look at how the games run at

(01:09:38):
the very top and you scratching.

Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
You know, it's tennis's class. Tennis is a classic example
Adams Adams I was watching. I happen to be watching
the Warriors game the other day, and he likes it
has grown another leg or he's sort of taken some pills,
or his back or he's you know, he sort of
went through that. He's a lot injured and that's probably
his best behind him all of a sudden, and they

(01:10:01):
were the commentators. We could not stop waxing lyrical about him.

Speaker 22 (01:10:06):
And this is a good Golden State team. Okay, not
a championship winning team. Probably still got Curry there, obviously,
but no, you know, a lot of people thought that
Adams was on his way out after those knee injuries
and other injury seedbacks. He's seen a lot of time
in the league, what is it, eleven twelve years. His
body is probably just about done. But talk about getting

(01:10:27):
a second wind. He's always thought there was a little
bit left in him if he got into the playoffs,
and that would be a huge motivating factor, and clearly
it is and he's playing true Steven Adams basketball.

Speaker 2 (01:10:40):
It's fantastic to watch. By the way, I'm interested in
you of you on this Jason the Snooker, which is
on at the moment at the final Williams versus this
guy called Ze Tong. He was one of the tea
I can't remember how many of there were. That there
were a bunch of Chinese guys about two three years ago,
maybe even slightly longer who were done for match fixing
and they got banned and I've sort of forgotten about

(01:11:03):
it until it was pointed out to me over the weekend.
This this guy is one of them, and.

Speaker 8 (01:11:07):
So yeah, he never he never fixed matches. He was
only involved with the group that did. I know that's
probably a you know, not much of a defense.

Speaker 24 (01:11:16):
And he was banned. He's served as band. He's back.
I'll tell you what, Mike, I just cannot get enough
of the snooker.

Speaker 8 (01:11:23):
I'll watch that Jaoshingtong and just even the way he
moves around to incredibly.

Speaker 24 (01:11:28):
He's a wonderful player.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
But what about Ronnie O'Sullivan even you'll know this, Mikes
a you know, as an up and coming snooker player
and never change the bits of.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Your kindergram or do you you never did? He's unfortunately,
he's a head case and he's talked. He's talked himself
into defeat. If you watch his interviews post game, if
ever you want to see a guy talking himself down,
he's it. And he's messed himself around, and he's changing
his cue and he's changing his action. He's got over coached,

(01:11:57):
and I'm a loser and I don't want to win
any more.

Speaker 22 (01:12:00):
And you know, so it's really I looked at him
the other day and you know, he reminded me of
Liam Gallahad.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Same thing. Yeah, the same thing, very much.

Speaker 22 (01:12:08):
He's absolutely mad and he just looks like he's going
to explode and go off the moment.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
That's that he's got that. It's a very good analogy.
He's got that. Yeah, East London, East London, go on
a bender.

Speaker 22 (01:12:22):
Yeah, grab a baseball bat, go down to the boozer.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
Very much so.

Speaker 22 (01:12:27):
But my question to you, I sat down the other
night and I clicked on the snooker. I said, I'm
going to give this crap and I was bored. I
was completely bored. And I'm thinking, as a kid, we
all grew up watching Pot Black write, and I came
to the realization we obviously had nothing else to do
in our lives. At that stage in the seventies because
I actually found pot Black interesting this. I'm sorry, but

(01:12:50):
it's it's boring.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
Jeez. Okay, at least there's a couple of the Fisherionados
on this segment. Jason.

Speaker 22 (01:12:57):
If it takes a couple of Fishnados to get it
on sky gee was what will be wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
I mean that's it went on my pipe by I
claimed that, But no quick question, just to wrap the
suck because I've got to go. I would have thought
these guys should have been banned for life. You're a
match fixer, You're banned for life. You don't do two years,
then come back and win a world championship.

Speaker 22 (01:13:13):
Do you maybe the Chinese market's too important to them, right, Yeah?

Speaker 24 (01:13:18):
I think this kid's gonna do it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Yeah, I think you will too. He's seven one up.
Nice to see you, guys, Jason Pin Andrews Sevale twenty three.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
The Mate Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Dogs.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
They'd be use dogsba twenty six. Piastre has just got
the stap and so he leads the race and Norris
has recovered from his problem at the start of the race,
and he's about to take the stapping as well, so
that'll be Piastre and Norris head to head. Papya rules
whatever that means. It's just a phrase they invented called
papye rules and we don't know what it means because
they seem to change it every time they have a

(01:13:48):
race where Papya rules are required. But presumably they're allowed
to race, but not the expense of running each other
off the track. But if they get a one two,
it's all good. And on the corner he's about to
get him? Is he going to get YEA, he's about
to get him. Anyway, I news for you in a
couple of moments, and then we'll go, of course to
the Australian vote. Historic, stunning, extraordinary. There is no way

(01:14:10):
to convey the sheer drama of this election result without
reaching for words that sound overblown. It has been an
incredible moment, so I wrote David Crowe in the Sydney
Morning Herald yesterday. Did anyone really see it coming? Is
it the Trump factor? Was it the Dutton factor? How
do the coalition rebuild? Does it all go to Elbow's

(01:14:31):
head and he goes crazy like we saw between twenty
and twenty three are those more answers for you with
Steve Price right after the News which is next here
on the Mike Hosking Breakfast Here at news Talk said.

Speaker 1 (01:14:40):
Be good, the breakfast show, Kiwi's trust to stay in
the Nome, the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the range Rover,
the LA designed to intrigue.

Speaker 2 (01:14:54):
Can use talks dead be you work out what happened
to let well, we know what happened to Liam. But
Liam's at the back of the field and he's falling
further and further behind. So clearly something came out of
the do an incident and his car's not well, but
clearly not unwell enough to pit him and fix it
or do something to improve matters. So there's a little
bit of rain in the forecast. It was supposed to
arrive at lap fourteen when out lap twenty two, so

(01:15:16):
obviously the rain is late. But currently Piastre ahead of Norris,
ahead of a step and ahead of Antonelli in Miami.
It is twenty three minutes away from.

Speaker 14 (01:15:25):
Nine International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of
mind for New Zealand Business.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
I tell you what pistre Steve morning to you piastre Is,
He's I don't know if I said it to you
last week or the week before, but Tom, I reckon
he's one better than Norris and proving to be better
than Norris and ultimately will be better than Norris and
may well be a world champion.

Speaker 7 (01:15:49):
Certainly better than Peter Dutton. He's did win anything up
the weekend. Yeah, Oscar's about the only thing we can
hang our hat on this morning.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
So, yeah, it's interesting. Did you the size of the
wind surprise you?

Speaker 7 (01:16:01):
Absolutely? We went into election day everybody suggesting Labor would
get back into some sort of government. Most of us
predicted and I think I did with you on Wednesday minority,
but they're going to have a whacking majority. Now, I
don't think anyone predicted what would occur, but it happens
so quickly on Saturday night and the vote was over

(01:16:22):
by seven thirty quarter gay And here's a stat for
here that staggers everybody who is a voter who votes
for the coalition. They're going to be left the Liberal
Party and National Party coalition probably with only half a
dozen seats in Metropolitan Australia. Wow, now that's just incredible.

(01:16:45):
I mean, the swing to Labor wasn't huge. The primary
vote Labor wasn't huge either. It all came down to preferences,
so everybody who again went out and voted to Yalm Green,
their preferences flowed to Labor and has installed Alberanzi for
at least another three years, probably for another two terms.
I mean the Tears all won back their seats. I

(01:17:07):
was predicting they'd lose a couple in Melbourne, which they didn't,
and in Victoria the vote for the Labor Party was strong,
despite the fact that the State Labor Party is so
much on the nose. I mean, Peter Dutton's gone now,
so who replaces him? Well, the talent list is not
very long. You've probably got Susan Lay the Deputy, Andrew Hasty,

(01:17:30):
the former Sas Commando from Perth, and Angus Tata the
Shadow Treasure but none of them really particularly inspire anyone.
So the little National Coalition have got a huge, huge
amount of sobering thought about what's going to happen next.
And then we have Anthony Albanese has now got another

(01:17:51):
term and I would suspect probably two more.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Yeah, is it the preferencing, because it's certainly the name
Campbell Newman sprang to mind. You've seen it in Western Australia,
You've seen in Queensland. This routing of parties at certain times.
Is that it's not the percentage of the vote, but
it's clearly the quirk of the system that allows parties
either to win massively or get wiped out.

Speaker 20 (01:18:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:18:15):
Correct.

Speaker 7 (01:18:16):
And one example of preferences and what it did on
this result on the weekend was the Greens. Now, the
Greens lost two of the three seats that they were
holding in the last parliament of Brisbane. Did they lose
those seats because people turned on the Greens? No, not particularly,
but people who voted for the Liberal National Coalition put

(01:18:36):
as their second preference the Labor Party, and so the
Labor Party picked up those two seats in Brisbane. I mean,
I've got my fingers crossed that Adam Bands, who's a
lunatic who's the head of the Greens in Australia, might
lose Melbourne. I mean, the counting is still going on
and there's some suggestion he's in a bit of trouble.
That would please me no end to see him gone.

(01:18:56):
But the preference system is what does it here. The
Labor Party they ran a better campaign. The Libs didn't
run a very good campaign. We've now got the big
issue what do we do about energy in Australia. And
as you know, we've talked about nuclear over and over again.
The public clearly enamored with the fact that we should
go nuclear. So that's a coalition and whoever leads it

(01:19:19):
now might just simply drop that idea of nuclear. I mean,
maybe they have to.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
Can we say or is it am I wrong? Can
we say that Elbow didn't win because they love them
and they love labor and they love a labor style
of running the country. They simply won because they looked
at the alternative which was done and et cetera, and
they just couldn't stomach.

Speaker 7 (01:19:39):
It one hundred percent. That's exactly what happened. He was
very hard to sell. You know, it's unfortunate you can't.
You've got no control over what you look like. He's
a bald headed guy who has had portfolios in government
which include national security, border protection, all of the tough
guy portfolio, and so people just simply didn't warm to him.

(01:20:02):
And this is the first election, and I mean, you'll
have to deal with this at some point. This is
the first election in this country where the baby boomers
have not been the majority of the voters. You've now
got millennials and Gen z who are pushing and so
that the traditional media has less of an impact in
all of those sens. But what we left with is

(01:20:23):
a Labor Party that's got seats in the low eighties
and a coalition in the high thirties. And that's a
hell of a long way there.

Speaker 9 (01:20:31):
It is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Is there a possibility this all goes to us as
here we saw this in twenty twenty through twenty twenty
three Labor different system obviously, but they got a majority,
shouldn't have got a majority, got a majority and went
nuts and everyone hated them three years later. Does Elbow
have that potential problem?

Speaker 7 (01:20:47):
One hundred percent yes. But the problem is the opposition
don't have a particularly good leader. They're going to find
someone to lead them and that might indeed happen. I mean,
it reminds me a lot of what happened to seven
Kevin rud one. John Howard lost his own seat like
Peter Dutton did on Saturday Night. Two elections later, Tony
Abbott got coalition back to the low nineties in terms

(01:21:11):
of seats, because the rug Gillard rub governments were so
chaotic that everyone said, we can't have this mob running
and so let's go back to the other guys. And
I suspect in two elections time we might say the
same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
Great stuff mate, Well see your Wednesday preciated very much
to price out of Australia. The opposition leader lost as
seed shadow ministers are heading the same way. Labor prepared
with care and fought with discipline. The coalition plan complacently
and fought atrociously, said one scribe yesterday across the Tasman.
But it's important point out. And I come to the
British vote in just a couple of moments. That percentages
and the systems in which you run them, I like,

(01:21:44):
and saying this is the Prime minister off there before
I actually like. This is why MMP to me works
to a degree. You get the number of seats representing
the percentage of the vote, and you don't do that
in Britain, and you certainly don't do that in Australia.
And that seems to me anyway, at least than one
aspect of voting are to be grossly unfair sixteen two.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
The High Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard
By News talks that.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
Be yeah, thirteen anyway from that, and I'll tell you why.
I think of all the voting that's gone on over
the weekend in the last couple of days, and that
includes Canada of course, and everyone's doing the whole anti
Trump thing, which is probably true, certainly a place like Canada,
it's true. And then you go to the safety of
what you know, Singapore got an increased vote, The People's
Action Party got an increased vote over the weekend eighty

(01:22:31):
seven of ninety seven or eighty five and ninety five,
whatever it was, I can't remember. They'd better than expecting,
of course, elbows when you know, flight to safety basically.
And yet the exact opposite happened in Britain. And what's
significant about Britain is, yes, it was a local body election,
but the difference between local body elections in Britain and
here is that they're run by the party. So in
other words, they're just many versions of the national general election.

(01:22:52):
So your candidates are all Tories, Conservatives, Labor Party, Lib
Dems and Reform. Now there was a by election in
amongst the local body elections, and Rod was telling us
about it last week. It was the Runkomen hellsby by election.
Reform won it, and this was a Labor seat that
was so safe to Labor it was inconceivable that something

(01:23:16):
someone like Reform could come along and win this by election,
but nevertheless they did win it. Also the Reform Party
won dominated not just seats and councils, but control of
councils in Kent, Staffordshire, Lincolnshire, Derbyshire, Nottinghamshire and Lancashire. And
these are people to the rights, so they're doge people.
They are people who are going to cancel work from home.

(01:23:37):
So once you control a council in Britain you can
make some genuine change. And they're going to be making
genuine change. And it was thought over the weekend by
very wise heads who know a great deal more about
the electoral process than I do in Britain that one
this can translate to the national equation, the national story.
So the suggestion from more than one bright spark was

(01:23:58):
that this is the end of the two party system
in Britain. This has been decimated now, so the Lib
Dems a players. The Reform Party is certainly players, and
in amongst that you've got the Labor government and you've
got these Tories who were down to a shell of
what they once were. So in other words, you've got
a four party system now and that it's entirely possible
that this scenario will play out at the next general election. Further,

(01:24:22):
they said that if you extrapolate out the support that
Reform got on Friday and Saturday and put it into
a general election, they would be the government. In other words,
Nigel Farage would be the Prime Minister of Britain. And
that's why, to my mind anyway was vastly more important
than any one of the other elections that was held
around the world, because largely within a margin, they turned

(01:24:43):
out the way you thought. What didn't turn out the
way you think is what happened in Britain. That translates
Britain has been changed potentially forever. Ten away from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:24:53):
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tog dad be.

Speaker 2 (01:24:58):
You make a very good point on the text, Mike,
we got a bald person running the country. Perhaps we're
headed for the same result. In twenty twenty six. So
I was thinking about this earlier on this morning. Much
was made of the look of Peter Dutton, the Voldemort
type reputation that he had, and there was some personality
in there as well, but the fact he was baled,
the fact he had glasses. We didn't have glasses, then
he got glasses. In other words, I just wondered to myself,

(01:25:22):
isn't it interesting we can have these conversations seemingly perfectly happily.
One that we appear when I say where, it's Australia,
not us, But there's no reason to believe we wouldn't
be just as superficial. One that we could appear to
be as superficial as that too. Other words, just literally
look at a person and going no, I don't like
the look of you, so therefore I'm not going to
vote for you. The fact he might be a genius

(01:25:42):
I don't know doesn't come into it. Second point is
if I had gone So if it was a woman
and I got Karmala Harris is going to win because
she's a bit poorky and she's ugly. Now if I
said that, what would well, look at Sam's face, I
mean exactly, so it would be an unconscionable that you
could discuss the looks of a woman, whereas you seemingly

(01:26:04):
happily discuss the looks of a man, and no one
seems to kill It's nice the looks, though, is it?

Speaker 18 (01:26:09):
Well, there's no, there's a demeanor that sort of goes
along with it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
So she's fat and she's ugly, but there's a demeanor
that goes along with it as well. Does that give
me out of it?

Speaker 9 (01:26:18):
I mean, I certainly.

Speaker 18 (01:26:19):
I don't think I could either get behind him A
ball guy with glasses I don't know, exacted by the year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
But see, I wouldn't vote for you either way, but
then you know you're a different story. One hundred and
fifteen British one. That was the other thing that fascinated
me over the week. Is it unusual to have the
oldest woman in the world or the oldest person in
the world a pom? You don't think is Palm's as
long lived?

Speaker 9 (01:26:38):
Do you?

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
I mean nuns in southern America, parts of Japan's.

Speaker 18 (01:26:43):
An old lady they found up on the hills in Italy,
No doing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:46):
The local village she's been living in. She's in the
old person's home. Now, but she's one hundred and fifteen
in fact, as of Friday, one hundred and fifteen years,
two hundred and fifty two days. So let's call it
virtually one hundred and sixteen. Ethel's the name, of course
it is. Everyone was born then was called Ethel, weren't they?
So the Brazilian nun told you sister Lucas died last Wednesday.

(01:27:10):
So Ethel, who was born the twenty first of August
nineteen oh nine, last surviving subject of Edward the seventh.
That's impressive. She gets to be the oldest person, so
unusual that Brits lived that lot.

Speaker 18 (01:27:23):
Do you reckon if you're like the third oldest person,
do you sit there every day? No looking through the obituaries,
just going today?

Speaker 2 (01:27:30):
It could be dad, you'd run a book, you go
odds on. She didn't look well, you know, the nun.
She didn't look well. I think I'm quit. I think
I'm quit. I said, I think I'm quins in here
because you'd be deaf. Fin it's away.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
From trending now with chimis Wells book in your Flu
Vaccination today.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
Right over before the race starts. Of course, what they
do apart from a martin Brundle. Did you watch the
muttin Brundle, Gridwart? Was there anyone famous part from Gordon Ramsey?
Does Gordon Ramsey go to every single race?

Speaker 20 (01:27:58):
Well?

Speaker 18 (01:27:59):
He caters them so well? I think, yeah, he said
talk to Jerry Brackheimer. Of course Jerry is there all
the time, but he's directed that if my movie is
coming out shortly.

Speaker 2 (01:28:08):
So he's permanently. There was Michael Douglas there. He's the
other one who's there permanently.

Speaker 9 (01:28:12):
I didn't see him.

Speaker 18 (01:28:13):
He tried to talk to Evander Holyfield, and Evander Hollyfield
didn't seem to know quite where he was.

Speaker 2 (01:28:18):
That's a that's a shame. Is that bought her? What's
his name? Gone off? Bordorella's gone off? Another safety car?
Where am I playing some music?

Speaker 13 (01:28:29):
Listen to this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:35):
From Miami quality?

Speaker 6 (01:28:37):
Right?

Speaker 23 (01:28:38):
What's so proudly? We hat don'tlight? Lastly, who's but stripes
and bride stars through the pairless?

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Doesn't make any difference if I tell you he's fifteen we.

Speaker 23 (01:28:58):
Was were are so Glandle.

Speaker 2 (01:29:03):
My observation is he's not quite as good as the
jingle about cleaning a shower.

Speaker 9 (01:29:09):
That we run.

Speaker 23 (01:29:12):
Okay, pro through the night that our flag was.

Speaker 2 (01:29:19):
But he's a talent. He's also he's done some work
at the Miami Dolphins, so he's at home because this
is raced of course, where the Miami Dolphins play, so
they've probably found him in the changing room and said
anyone can sing, and he goes, yeah, I can sing.

Speaker 22 (01:29:31):
With the jet.

Speaker 2 (01:29:33):
Here we go free and back tomorrow, Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
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