Full Show Podcast: 12 May 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's home for trusted news and views. The Mic
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
That'd been nodding and Welcome today, The Coppers on This
Boy Racer crackdown the good and bad news around our
black economy, The Prime Minister on pay equity, social media
bands and the agree to Disagree trigger around the Guns
from Act Lads in the commentary Box, Richard Arnold at America,
Steve Price in the Market of Australia. Hosky Welcome to
the day. Seven past six. Didn't seem to be the
sort of game we're expecting, did it. I mean, the

(00:31):
dragons aren't at our end of the table. We started well,
led well, went to the halftime well. By the end
of it we scraped by with the droppy. The dragons
sort of reminded me I thought, there for a moment
with the Warriors of old, did you think that poor start?
Then scored a few excellent points in a could we
come back from here kind of way? Get even. They're
named for a last gasp clincher that, as it turns out,

(00:52):
wasn't to be. How many times have we been there
over the years, but that was then and this is now.
And when you're on a roll, and when you as
a side have taken the next step, things turn out differently.
The droppies work, you escape on the right side of
the ledger, You reinforce your growing reputation that you are
one of the best sides in the competition. And so
we march on. Who is it, I ask you that
can beat us? I mean, with the bulldogs go in

(01:13):
hot favorites these days, or merely regular favorites, or maybe
even Stevens. Could we be tipped up by a sidelight
the dragons who come out of nowhere? Mentally? Can we
keep up this relentless professionalism and consistency. Will we get
even better when everyone's back fully fit? Could we get
to the top of the table before the end of
the season. Is it too early to ask whether we
can win the table before heading to the playoffs? Playoffs

(01:36):
at home in front of sell out crowds. Is it
too early in the season to ask those sort of
questions to build that sort of hope or are those
sort of questions more than justified now and realistic based
on what we've done so far? Eight from ten records
now being broken each and every week. Next up the dolphins.
Are they whether we are on the table, well, don't
even close. We're a genuine second two points off being

(01:58):
the top. I am increasingly confident in saying, is how.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
You news of the world in ninety seconds?

Speaker 3 (02:10):
Now?

Speaker 2 (02:11):
Where are we at with the war? Putin wants to
talk Keiths Kimblestium.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Despite everything we propose, the kre of authorities resume the
negotiations they interrupted at the end of twenty twenty two,
to resume direct negotiations, and I emphasize, without any preconditions, Ukraine,
thanks for this dalling.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
We are ready to find a way of how to
stop our people.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
From being killed.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
But right now we haven't seen Russia's ability to stop
the war, and it's right now seemed just that they
are trying to end.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Sometime the new Pope's decided to have a word about that.

Speaker 5 (02:44):
He said, I too address the world's great powers by
repeating the ever present call never again.

Speaker 6 (02:52):
War, My pure la guerra.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Oh the crowd, and we're watching that left it up.

Speaker 7 (02:57):
It's a thrill to be here in order to pray
for the Holy Father to be with the crowd that's
recording here.

Speaker 8 (03:04):
With our prayers, the people will turn to free and
he will really put all people, migrants, everybody to number one.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Then in Britain, massive call from the Home Secretary on rest,
homes and immigration.

Speaker 5 (03:16):
We need to go much further.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
That's what the plan is about.

Speaker 5 (03:19):
It's about restoring control and order. It's about preventing this
chaotic system where we had overseas recruitment saw while training
in the UK was cut.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Reform who polled these days well, they can do no wrong.
Basically they're having a piece of this.

Speaker 6 (03:35):
People want this issues sorted, they want the boats to stop,
and frankly, I think the majority of this country agree
with our policy. We need to freeze immigration. People want
foreign criminals who have committed crimes removed first stop.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Finally, on the science file, the Exprise Health Spend, which
is a sivin year project to develop a way for
humans to rejuvenate muscles, cognition and immune functions, is announcing
the semifinalists this week. We've got a thousand entries, groups
and individuals doing various pieces of research. Eventually the winner
will be named by twenty thirty. The new prize the've
announced this morning as well. The prize is one hundred

(04:08):
and seventy million dollars to go to whatever's needed to
make their project. The reality. Winning team must be able
to show that they'll be able to restore a fifty
to an eighty year old by between ten and twenty years, so,
in other words, an eighty year old to one hundred,
be able to scale up, roll out their idea within
twelve months, make it accessible to as many people as
cheaply and easily as possible. Apart from that, it's easy.
News of the world in ninety we have World Peace Monday.

(04:31):
What's going on here? For goodness sake, we might have
peace talks by Thursday in Turkey between face to face
Putin v Zelenski, we appear to have a deal between
the US and China. Bes since come out and goes,
I'm happy to report that we've made substantial progress between
the US and China in very important trade talks. This

(04:51):
has been happening in Switzerland, the representative. US Representative Jamison
Greer said an agreement had been reached. We await details
twelve pas.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
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Speaker 2 (05:10):
While we're on a theme, and I think it's good news.
Experts out of China jumped eight point one percent last month.
That'll have something to do with the tariffs, and there
is some talk about going through third countries and all
that sort of thing. But the rightest poll of so
called experts thought the number would be one point nine.
So at eight point one, we'll take that, won't we
fifteen past? It's a gust of leving Deven Funds Management.
Greg Smith is with us this month morning to Mike.

(05:32):
Are we bullish about these trade talks?

Speaker 3 (05:35):
I think we're cautiously optimistic. That's a bit of euphemism,
isn't it. But yeah, it seems like there's been some
progress since the first major meeting, but we'll first meeting
really at all between the USE and China since there's
one hundred and forty five percent posed and there's been
sort of tip for tear, So are we going to
see de escalations? Well, there's I suppose some of the

(05:56):
chat coming out of me, as you mentioned, is quite positive.
I mean Trump said great progress was being made over
the weekend. You've had Treasury Sexuary Scott bes and said
substantial progress has been made, so Greas also claimed that
a lot of the groundwork was done and we'll hear
further details on Monday, so we'll have to stay tuned
for that. There, we went high hopes going to the meeting.

(06:17):
Beston said it was more about sort of call in
tensions rather than getting a comprehensive deal, and Trump himself
had cided be keen on Lauren Tarras, but to around
eighty percent, so that still still seems rather high. So
we'll have to see what comes out of it. You
mentioned those trade flows, certainly they've been impacted. You look
at container bookings headed to the US from China, they
down thirty to fifty percent since Liberation Day a memohis

(06:40):
you point out we had that data over the weekend.
So China's trade balance ninety six point two billion last month,
that was up from seventy two a year ago, and
smash forecasts for only nine billions the experts, did you say,
up eight percent? And the stuff going to other countries
US down twenty one percent, the Southeast Asian nations up
twenty one percent, I Wine up sixteen percent, EU up

(07:02):
eight percent, Japan up eight percent, and even Australia up
six percent as well, so you must think China have
got the more negotiating power. But we'll see what comes
in terms of the devil in the detail later today.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
And then we got British Airways proving that you can
in fact run on airline and make quite quite some dollars.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, pears to be going pretty well.
So this year is brushs iag are up just over
two percent on Friday, so they held their annual guidance.
First called operating profits, they surged by one hundred and
thirty million euros to one hundred and ninety eight million euros.
Travel to the US softer, but everywhere else going pretty well.
And then the other sailient point was that they said

(07:41):
they've ordered a fifty three wide bodied aircraft from Boeing
and the of US and then deals with almost thirteen
billion that was of course flagged by the White House
last week. And then trade the announcement with the UK
that we talked about, so they also said these aircraft
has been secured as substantial discounts. There's been in a
bit of incentive there, but you're going pretty well. Revenues

(08:03):
up ten percent, travel demand strong Latin America, Europe, but
the US is lower and you travel to the US
and fat was down twelve percent in April, so they're
going elsewhere, basically the Europeans and Asians, and that's coming
out some cost of America. One clear benefit as well
of Trump's trade policies is the oil price. It's the

(08:24):
biggest individual perspective for airlines and that's been heading lower,
and that's also boosting the cash coffers as that were
for IG and also other airlines.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Okay, then we've got VP. Now what's happening here.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
Well, this is on the other side of the course,
so aill companies are seeing obviously not doing so well
with the oil price heading low, but it's left some
in a position of weakness, and particularly BP, which these
shares are down around about twenty seven percent over the
past years. So there's very strong reports now that shall
she ron exon Mobile Mobile, so they willing up to

(09:00):
sort of take over BP probably would make sense in
a way. It is looking like a bit of a
lame duck. So you look at the reported value of
their assets around about one hundred and twenty billion. The
market cap it stands under sixty billions, so under half
in terms of Stirling, so certainly right to a takeover.
It's got lots of highly prized sets, Golf of Mexico
and the light. They did try and have a tilt

(09:21):
away from oil talk and guestwards renewables. That didn't work.
They've got new mentionments sort of put sort of eradicating
that sort of idea. I suppose an interesting thing will
be as well with is US suitors involved, so they
UK and European companies tend to traded discount to the USPS,
so it would seem to make sense the use company
comes along and makes a bid preps the UK would

(09:43):
rather see shall do that. But it would be hard,
I think for ks Sue to say that Donald Trump
is blocking a US firm deal, particularly given fin last
week's announcement. They are seen as the friendliest of foes,
so you stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
Okay, what are the numbers there?

Speaker 3 (09:57):
Down point three percent for one to two four nine
on Friday, some people have under down point one percent.
NASDAK was flat foots the up point three percent, Nickay
up one point six percent. Good session thirty seven five
zero three ASEX two hundred and half percent. We had
a great session INSIDEX fifty up one point one percent
twelve six zero five, and the commodities going up nineteen

(10:18):
dollars three hundred three three and twenty four and ounce
with WTI oil up a dollar eleven sixty one spot
o two and the currencies the key. He was weaker
against the A dollars stirling in year ninety two point one,
forty four point four onty five point nine, respectively, but
we did. We were upbsolutely against the US dollar fifty
nine point one this week. Mike Lot's going on at
use inflation, retail sales, housing starts UK GDP. Just on

(10:42):
the innings front are some big names Sony ten cent,
Alibama and the world's biggest retailer in warmer locally card spending.
We've got food inflation in business PMI, and our earning
season also gets underway. We've got mental energy. Amongst those
first to.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Report fantastic make go well, catchup. Sin Gregg Smith Funds Management,
asking after a watch Southby's, he got one at auction
at the moment. It's a one of a kind. It's
nineteen ninety nine Rollins Daytona, which a very collectible watch
at the best of times. But this is custom made
and it's made of platinum, and they made it a
platinum for a private commission for a family who wanted

(11:18):
four of them, and they did it in ninety nine
before they even started making platinum Daytona. So in other words,
it's one of only four in the world. The other
three are sold, so this is the last one left.
About two and a half mil. If you don't mind
six twenty one, you're at Newstalk.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
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Speaker 2 (11:44):
Susan lay across the Tasman who is the deputy Liberal
leader has officially declared for the race, and Angus Taylor's there,
so we'll get to Steve Price and see how that
bo crunch is later on in the program. Canada, those
still mopping up their election. Single vote if you can
believe it's in a riding. In Quebec they call electorates ridings.
So the Liberal parties gained the seat by a single vote.

(12:08):
The candidate got twenty three three hundred and fifty two
versus Blockquivi Qua twenty three and fifty one. That was
a recount because you have a recount. The law say,
if you're that close, you gotta have a recount. So
the judge, the superior court judge oversees the recount one
it was so that gives the Liberals one hundred and
seventy seats, which is now just too shy of the
one seventy two they needed for a majority.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
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Speaker 2 (12:35):
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called stick. Ex pro golfer called Price. K Hill Korea
crashed on the pro tour, but he bits it all
twenty years later on the seventeen year old phenomenal. You're
that golfer, aren't you?

Speaker 3 (12:49):
Praise?

Speaker 9 (12:50):
K Hill used to kay your stick right, Yep, that's me.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
This guy was a big pro golfer on television.

Speaker 10 (12:56):
Everything thanks for suppose to be for me. I don't
look in the mirrormand I would not bet on that guy.
I object to what that's contempt.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
We're not any I feel like you guys are ganging
up on me.

Speaker 11 (13:09):
Light chairs, nose.

Speaker 10 (13:12):
Like please court'syjourn.

Speaker 3 (13:14):
We're not in court.

Speaker 12 (13:17):
I found a kid who swings a golf club.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
Like a dream. What's your name?

Speaker 13 (13:20):
I'm not until other guys, but I'm.

Speaker 9 (13:22):
Glad, okay, good by here.

Speaker 2 (13:23):
You might need to skip out on this. I want
you to bring the RF around. I'm gonna be walking up,
maybe running when you see me go. Actually, this might
not be over a Collie back again.

Speaker 14 (13:34):
So.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Zion Wilson if you didn't pick it up. The kid
playing the golfers, a guy called Pete Daeger was insidious
five who invited Charlie more importantly to a pretty good swing.
So I would have thought that's the best thing they
need to doesn't matter whether you can act or not.
You need to have a swing, and he does anyway.
Apple TV on Dune the fourth ten episodes is what
they're dealing with there now. Eric Stanford turns out the

(13:58):
new Stephen Joyce as far as I can work out.
Because it was on Friday, she was announcing the victims
of abuse and what she announced was not well received,
but then again it was never going to be because
you cannot win this battle unfortunately, so we'll talk to
her about that. She's also been tasked over the weekend
by the Prime Minister to go out and solve this
under sixteen social media thing. How the hell she's going

(14:19):
to do that, I've got no idea. Oh and by
the way, the immigration she's also in charge of that.
And when she's not doing that on Wednesday afternoon, she's
running the education system. What the hell is going on?
Are we seriously that short of talent in this country
with a cabinet that size that she has to do
literally everything I need to talk to her about pretty.

Speaker 12 (14:37):
Much all of that, And wonder she has to keep
emailing yourself.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Well precisely, I mean imagine the paper trail on that. Anyway,
We'll get through as much as we possibly can. But
Erica Stamford with us in a couple of moments in
the aforementioned Prime Minister. My first question to him is,
don't you have anyone else talent to depart from Erica Stanford?
He's with us. After seventh thirty, your Abused talksactly.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Setting agenda and talking the big issues, the Mike Costing,
Breakfast with Bailey's real estate, your local experts across residential,
commercial and rural news talks had been.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
We started the show. I've seen some real movement between
China and the us on trade in the Ukraine and
Russia on the wharf. So we'll get the update with
Richard Arnold shortly see what he knows twenty three minutes
away from seven. As if she didn't have enough to do,
are the Education Minister has been asked to go and
sort out the government's ideas around social media. This is
a plan on how to restrict the under sixteens. It's
a members bill but now officially part of the government's program,

(15:31):
despite the fact that act not on board. The Education
Minister Erica Stanford's with us, good morning morning mate. You
got any sense whether technically you can actually achieve this
or is this all about good fields?

Speaker 14 (15:42):
No, I do think we can achieve this, and I
wouldn't have asked to have taken this on if I didn't.
I already had conversations with world leading experts who have
been involved in some of the legislative changes in other countries,
including the EU, and there is an opportunity for us
to be fast followers and learn from the best in
the world at what's worked and create something that can
work for New Zealand. But it's the issue is too

(16:05):
important for us to say this is too hard Mike,
this is personal to me. You know, these guys do
not care about our kids. They're causing immense harm, and
you know we owe it to them to do something.

Speaker 2 (16:17):
I all of this we agree with, but as I
talk with web the other day, technically I don't believe
it can be done. Am I wrong?

Speaker 9 (16:27):
Well?

Speaker 14 (16:27):
Look, I've also got some concerns about the Australian model
and whether or not, you know, they'll be able to
implement it, which is why I want to take a
more nuanced and sophisticated approach. There are many other countries
who have done similar things and had much better implementation,
and I want to go and look at what they've done.
I think we can, but look, I'm no expert. I mean,

(16:49):
I know your concerns, but you know you may not
be an expert either, But there are that.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Are All I know is what I've read, and I
cannot name you a single country who's partially just like
that has managed two ban sixteen year olds on social media.
It's just not technically possible.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
It is possible.

Speaker 14 (17:07):
And I've got friends in very high will used to
be in very high places at Facebook and other companies
who know that they know I mean, if you look.
You read that book Careless People by Sarah and Williams.
You read that book. It has a whole chapter on
the fact that they were deliberately marketing to six thirteen
to sixteen year olds. They know who they are. They
were selling beauty ads to young girls who are taking

(17:27):
pictures of themselves down off the Internet, targeting them deliberately.

Speaker 13 (17:30):
No I get that.

Speaker 3 (17:31):
No.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
I get that they might be able to do it
if they were willing to. But what you're going to
do is to have to drag pig tech into something
they don't want to, and no one else has been
able to do it yet. That's what That's my point.

Speaker 14 (17:42):
There have been other there are other countries around the
world who have got far better regimes where they have
said to them, look, we're going to find you this way,
which actually has made those companies sit up and realize
it's not worth their while to exploit our kids when
they do it that way. And I'm very carefu watching
what other countries have done. There are good examples, mate.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Okay, a couple of other quick things in your various
other first word, do you really have time for all
of us?

Speaker 10 (18:10):
Well?

Speaker 13 (18:10):
I do?

Speaker 14 (18:11):
I do and like I say, this is too important.
We have to shift societal norms on this digital stuff
to make sure that we're protecting our kids.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
It's worth it.

Speaker 2 (18:18):
Back to Friday's announcement, you're on a no when here
with the abuse thing, aren't you. It doesn't matter what
you do. There will always be people who simply are
not happy and will not be satisfied. And that's just life,
isn't it.

Speaker 14 (18:29):
Well I said that from the very start. I said,
you know, there will be people who we will be disappointed,
but there will be many other people. And we know
this already because people have already gone and put them
for their top ups.

Speaker 9 (18:39):
And you know who.

Speaker 14 (18:40):
I know because I've spoken to many survivors who will
recognize that this isn't going to make up for the
pain that they suffered, but it is something that they accept,
you know, is a workable solution. But of course, there
will always be others who are not happy, and we'll
talk to the media, and that was always going to
be the way. But I think the fact that this
is the single biggest investment into the redress scheme in

(19:03):
the history of this country, more than three quarters of
a billion dollars to make sure that we have got
what looks like and acts like a single system that's
topping up people who've already had redress. You know, we've
done a lot of what the Royal Commission asked for.
But what I'm trying to say in the meter is
this is just the first step. There's nothing to say

(19:24):
that we won't make further changes and move more close
to an independent redress system after twenty twenty seven, when
we have a.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
Review o Golden visas immigration. That was my headache last
NEK last weekn dealing with the department who are paying
the bump? Does the new Golden Visa exclude the use
of qualified Domestic Institutional investor and the qualified Domestic Limited partnership?
In other words, is it anti Chinese?

Speaker 14 (19:51):
It's not anti Chinese at all.

Speaker 15 (19:52):
It's what it is.

Speaker 14 (19:53):
The previous labor government put these in place as well.
It's saying that if you have to repatriate your money mandatorily,
like through the QDII or the QDLP that you're talking about,
but any other scheme by any other country, if it
has to be repatriated, you are not the investor that
we are looking for. We want people who are here
with their money long term. And it doesn't matter what

(20:16):
scheme it is. It's not anti any country. We want
people who are here for the long term.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
All right, appreciate your time. It's always eric A, Stanford, Education, Immigration,
Social Media Minister eighteen to seven.

Speaker 11 (20:28):
Skiing.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
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Speaker 2 (20:35):
Talksp Erica makes a point. Google have agreed to pay
nearly one point four billion billion to the state of Texas.
This is announce date of the weekend allegations of violating
the data privacy rights of the state's residents, the age
to sue them, sue them. In twenty two unlawfully tracking
and collecting private data abusers got another settlement another time

(20:57):
of one point four billion covers delegations of two separate lawsuits,
dwarfed all the past settlements by other states. The years,
Google secretly tracked people's movements, private searchers, and even their voice,
prints and facial geometry through their products and services. I
see nothing in the report that does the usual and
we we don't admit to any level of guilt, but

(21:17):
just have one point four billion dollars worth of our
money because we feel bad about ourselves six forty.

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Speaker 2 (21:29):
Richard, A very good morning to you.

Speaker 15 (21:31):
Good you make well.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
Let's start with the trade we are we set to
go on this What do we know.

Speaker 16 (21:37):
Well, yous negotiators? The trade talk sessions with Chinese reps,
those talks taking place of the last couple of days
in sweatlands and touting what they say are advances towards
a possible trade agreement. Scott Basant, the Treasury Secretary, was
one of those who was involved in those talks.

Speaker 8 (21:54):
Happing the reports that we meet substantial progress between the
Name States and China and the very Portland tread top.

Speaker 16 (22:01):
He says they'll be giving more details tomorrow, so we'll see.
The trade deal with the UK last week turned out
to be a little less than advertised, unless you're in
the market for rolls Royce where the tariffs were cut right. Meantime,
should a six hundred and seventy million New Zealand dollar
gift of a jet described as a palace of the
sky be regarded as a bribe If that luxury jet
is given by the Cutty Royal family for use of

(22:23):
the President of the United States Donald Trump. That is
the question here, as the gift of this jet with
Trump favored golden decorations is expected to be formally announced
this week. For years, Trump has been frustrated by his
standard of air travel. His own jet, which he calls
Trump Was One, was a jumbo Jety bought in twenty
eleven that dates from about nineteen ninety and once was
used by Microsoft's co founder Paul Allen at a presidential jet,

(22:47):
known of course as Air Force One. Actually there's two
different planes, again dating from the early nineteen nineties and
equipped with anti missile defenses and so on. Boeing was
given the task of building a new Air Force one,
but delays have meant it will not be ready around
twenty twenty nine, so after Trump's second term. So Countas
Royals have agreed to supply a new jet as Air

(23:07):
Force one for the United States, and Trump surveyed the
plane recently in Florida. To be used as Air Force one,
of course has to be retrofitted with the air defenses,
but that already has been arranged to seem. So here's
the thing US Constitution says in what is known as
the Emodument's clause. There's a prohibition not a president from
accepting gifts from any king, prince, or foreign state, quote unquote. However,

(23:30):
Trump's Attorney General Pambondi says, this gift of the Golden
jet is just fine because it will be given to
the US Air Force, not to Trump personally, even though
I was president of courses for Trump's use. Then here's
another twist. Once Trump leaves office, the jet will be
passed over to the Trump Presidential Library for use by
you know who. So the argument is that Trump isn't

(23:52):
getting personal use from this. It's going to a library
and to the US Air Force, So they are you
it can't be seen as a bribe or as any
anything unconstitutional. Now, some will know that when Ronald Reagan
left office, the old Air Force one from his time
went to the Reagan Presidential Library here, but Reagan didn't
fly in the thing at that point. It was simply
put on display at the library. Not quite the same,

(24:12):
it seems, as with the Trump super luxury jet. Now
this is storing a back Nash Already, one Democrat calling
it bribery in broad daylight, while Congressman Jamie Raskin, a Democrat, says, quote,
a gift you use four years and then deposit to
your library is still a gift and a grift in quote. Meantime,
Trump heads out tomorrow on his first foreign trip second term,

(24:33):
where he'll visit the Saudiast, the UAE.

Speaker 17 (24:36):
And Cutter.

Speaker 16 (24:37):
The Washington Post says business deals, not geopolitics, seem to
be the focus. The Trump organization, run by Trump's eldest sons,
just did a deal in Cutter for a five point
five billion US dollar golf course and beachfront development. So sorry, Garza,
where are we at with the war? Well holding point?

(24:58):
The Russian attacks on you Cine have been toned down
while Chinese present. She is visiting Moscow as the Russian
and Chinese leaders are watching that World War two victory celebration,
including large numbers of goose stepping Russian soldiers. Putin didn't
want anything to disrupt that occasion, so three days ceasefire.
At his behest this for Trump has questioned where the
Russian the Russian leader really wants to make a deal

(25:20):
on ending his war in Ukraine. Trump is urging both
sites to meet in Turkey this week for talks Lensky
demanding to cease fire to start tomorrow before any agreement
on direct talks. Putin rejecting an initial ceasefire and proposing
instead direct talks to start on May the sixteenth, your
time in istanborl and the leaders of Britain, trans Germany
and Poland visited Ukraine this weekend and they set a

(25:41):
deadline for tomorrow for Russia to accept a thirty day
ceasefire or face additional sanctions. And they say they spoke
with Trump about this as well. The Trump team has
indicated it would impose additional sanctions on Russia if Putin
doesn't agree to a truce. So Trump says, this is
the time when, or we'll know with greater clarity if
we don't already just working.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Stand all right, see Wednesday. Appreciate it. Richard Arnold stateside,
by the way, the most significant thing I think he
did over the weekend, and he didn't do it, they
sort of hinted he might do it, is he's actively
looking at suspending Haby's corpus, which is of course the
right to challenge a person's detention by the government so
they can round you up. The constitution is clear and
that of course, is the supreme law of the land
that the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus can

(26:25):
be suspended in time of invasion. So he's going to argue,
as we're being invaded, and we can round you up,
and we can pack you on the plane and send
you to Libya or somewhere else, and you can't complain
about it. So we watched that one with a great deal.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Element was nine to seven the Mike Hosking Breakfast with
the Range Rover Villa News Tokstead be anything over.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
The weekend and reading about the tax rate in America.
Trump is actually wanting to put up the top tax
rate for the richest individuals from thirty seven to thirty
nine points six, which is sort of ironic because it
was him that lowered it to thirty seven when he
was last and offers back in twenty seventeen that law
buyers in twenty twenty five as in this year. It
needs congressional support. He doesn't have it. But it just

(27:06):
got me looking at what they pay for tax in
America and at veries state by state, of course, but
the federal side of the equation. We remember at our
top tax rate is thirty nine cents on anything above
one hundred and eighty grand in America. At that sort
of level, if you're inning one hundred and eighty issue,
you're paying thirty two, not thirty nine. At above two
hundred and fifty, you're paying thirty five. At six hundred

(27:29):
and twenty six, you're paying thirty seven. So even if
you're inning well in excess of half a million dollars
a year, you're still paying well under our top tax
rate at one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. And you
wonder why we got no money five minutes away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Well, the ins and the outs, it's the fiz with
business favor. Take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Speaking of which, the amount of tax going unpaid and
the property sector is going up. So this is in
nan revenue sector failed to pay at least one hundred
and fifty million in the first nine months. That's up
last year considering the unpaid tax bill for the whole
year was one hundred and fifty three. So we're one
fifty and just the verse nine versus one fifty three
for the whole of last year. Developers, property investors, other

(28:11):
people caught up in the Brightline. Business developers make up
the biggest percentage seventy three million discrepancies, forty eight percent
increase on last year. Discrepancies on the bright Line is
fourteen mil, which is up nine percent. IRD found almost
sixty million in discrepancies from those trying to get around
paying GST. That's up thirty nine percent on last year.
It's the tough times, of course, and the top at
the time for people, you know, bring Brian their account

(28:33):
and say can you work can we have a work around? Brian?
Is what you is what you say, Mike. Imagine if
we had ten Erica Stanford. She gave you direct an
informative answer on everything you threw it. The interesting thing
about the immigration thing especially, is all I wanted on
that Chinese thing. Now don't like her answer or don't
like her answer. She gave an answer, and so here's
the problem with her office. We rang her office on

(28:54):
this very thing last week and we said, this Chinese
allegation is at anti Chinese the Golden visa. And instead
of going look, I'll get you an answer, they said,
ring immigration. So that's what we did. And in ringing
immigration we went through and I mentioned it briefly on Friday,
we went through the usual rigmarole of will take nineteen
days to do nothing and then come back to you,
and there'll be sixteen hundred emails involved, and then we'll

(29:15):
come back with a three page answer, which basically some
of which I read out on Friday. It says nothing
you hurt. Her answer, we don't want your money. If
that's the sort of person you are, we don't want
your money. That was the answer, Like it or not.
It took about three and a half seconds. The thing
about the amount of money in the average government department
and a number of people involved. When you ask a

(29:35):
basic question and you can't get a basic answer back.
Coppers on crushing cars. Have a look at this after
the news, which is next.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
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Speaker 2 (29:53):
Only seven past seven. Other crackdown on the boy raised
his presumptive sentences are coming, meaning automatic crushing more powerful
the police to monitor and those areas like roads you
pinged if you run or fail to identify Assistant police
commissioned Mike Johnson with us. Mike, Very good morning to you.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
Morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
How real is the boy raise a problem? Or is
this just a Sunday headline for a government?

Speaker 15 (30:14):
No, not at all. Our staff are seeing this most
weekends or every other weekend around the country. You do
read about it gathers a lot of a lot of attention.
I suppose we had a lot of calls about it.
It disturbs the public, and there is absolutely a safety
aspect to this.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
Is this hard core or just a collection of buffoons
who were bored and if you told them not to
do it again, they probably wouldn't.

Speaker 13 (30:41):
Mike.

Speaker 15 (30:41):
I think that's a very good question. It's a mixture
of both. We certainly see hardcore organized events which react
badly as the way I'll put it, or illegally when
our staff turn up and look to disperse them.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Is it a laws in other words, you're getting what
you want? Or is it a resource thing even if
you had the laws, you don't have the people.

Speaker 15 (31:05):
No, we believe we can do this with the people
we've got. We're already sending staff and to these events
in sufficient numbers. We're always looking to plan. But the
nature of these things is the people organizing them are
trying to keep them out of our eye so that
we can't organize a response.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
So that was my next question. How much of what
you do is anticipatory versus you having to go afterwards
and clean up because you didn't know.

Speaker 15 (31:32):
It's a mix of both. When we hear about these,
we attend obviously, and they usually Friday Saturday nights to
be honest, or public holidays, as we've seen in a
number that have been advertised. Get where we're aware of them,
we put an operation into effect. We had one of
those last weekend in the belly and wire wrapper, which

(31:52):
was particularly effective. But we try to get on the
front foot mic as you'd expect, but there's times where
we've got to react and.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
A lot of people texting Section one twenty nine of
the sentencing actors. The problem it's not you guys rounding
them up, it's the judges letting them out. Is that fair?

Speaker 15 (32:09):
Look at that's a matter for the courts were Really,
what I can say is we are please to have
some more tools than the toolkit to deal with this
issue that's growing from our to speak.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
Of good stuff, go well with it. Mike Johnson, who's
the Assistant Police Commissioner nine minutes past seven. I'm a
bit of moving over the weekend on the war. As
yet again the Coalition of the Willing, which includes us,
gathered literally or by zoom to reinforce their view that
we need some peace talks and a cease fire for Ukraine.
So is this thing actually going anywhere? Geu Gia political
analyst Jeffrey Miller's back with us on this. Jeffrey morning
to you.

Speaker 13 (32:39):
Good morning.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
This thing Turkey Thursday, Zelensky putin your Reckinian.

Speaker 13 (32:44):
If it's real, Look, it could be a huge day
on Thursday. So this was letting me Prutin's counter offer.
After being faced with this ultimatum of agreeing to a
thirty day cease fire by today, Putin proposed a direct
talks between Russia and Ukraine and standbul on Thursday. Then Trump,
just in the last few hours has come in and
told Ukraine to accept that, and volot of Mezelenski has

(33:06):
said he will and he will go there personally. And
that is really an ace card on his part because
there was no suggestion by Vladimir Putin that he would
be there in person. But now he kind of has
to respond, so we could see a face to face
meeting between Vladimir Putin and vlot of Messalinski and as
symbol on Thursday would be quite extraordinary.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
Think can putin tune up and just go here I am,
And by the way, Crimea is mine. The stuff I've
got currently is mine, as Donald's already told you, take
it or leave it.

Speaker 13 (33:33):
Look, there'll be a lot of twists and turns until
this war is finally over. And I don't think the
talks are going to be over in a day. Is
going to take longer than that. But I think it's
absolutely necessary. We absolutely need talks. The only way you're
going to get through get an end to this war
is through dialogue, diplomacy, de escalation. And I think it's
great news really that this is in the offering. I mean,

(33:55):
we wait and see whether it latchally materialize, because there's
still the chance that a Zelenski and the others will
will back away in a sense because they won't get
the thirty day seas fire. Because I think it's very
unlikely that Vladimir Putin is going to going to do that,
that he isn't actually going to lay down his arms
and agree.

Speaker 2 (34:13):
With that, which puts you back in the American court.
Do they that point, go, Look, we've done all weekend.
You guys don't want to play ball. Don't worry, We're gone.
Do you believe that they will step back or not?

Speaker 13 (34:24):
Look, Donald Trump has the final say here. We've seen
that in the in the past few hours. He told
Vladim me Zelenski to go to these talks, and Zilensky
is in some ways cave But also I think he's
been smarter than that by saying he will go there
personally and expecting Pertin to do the same. So in
the end, Donald Trump is calling the shots here. And
that's always been the case, despite the unity by these

(34:46):
European leaders and the coalition of the winning which includes
New Zealand and Kes Starmer name check New zer as
much reporters. So, but Donald Trump in the end is
always the man who everyone is looking to here. And
it's really Donald Trump's game, and he's playing it, and
he's playing in a very different way to everyone else.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Let's go to the other war just quickly. Trump's into
the Middle East this week and he's touted some sort
of announcement like you've never heard an announcement. Whippy, do
do you have any idea what that is? And we're
going to get to any tangible progress you think this
week on it or not.

Speaker 13 (35:17):
Well, the talk is that he will recognize the Palestinian
state that's been denied, but I don't know. I mean,
it will be a significant visit this week. It's his
first major foreign trip. Of course, Donald Trump went to
the Probe's funeral, Pope France's funeral, but it will be
his first major foreign trip again to the Gulf, just
like he did back in twenty seventeen. Was his first

(35:38):
major trip and that was a significant one. So you know,
we shouldn't forget all of it. We've got all of
these conflicts going on around us. We had India and
Pakistan seemingly resolved over the weekend with a ceasefire, and
we've got the course to the Middle East on the
agenda as well. So there are awful lot of balls
in the air hand, Mike, and we desiciperately need solutions

(35:58):
to all of them. I think Donald Trump's unconventional approach
to diplomacy it can bear fruit, and we're prep seeing
that with what's happened over the last few hours with Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Well the types of Jeffrey, go well, appreciate your expertise,
International geopolitical analyst, Jeffrey Miller, thirteen past seven. Pascal u Wish,
also over the weekend, has confirmed they've got a new
system where will be implementing a new system of providing
humanitarian aid to the Palestinians. They're going to do it
through private companies. This, of course has ripped the ninety
of the United Nations. They will not be cooperating. It

(36:29):
appears to weaponize aid, which I'm not sure is technically true,
But what it does do is show that the inadequacy, ineffectiveness,
and hopelessness of the UN, if this works from the
US point of view, has been found out.

Speaker 13 (36:43):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
The boy racer thing isn't out of control. It's about
the same as it's always been. I don't know what
you based that on, and it's a good time for
politics to pick it up and make a change.

Speaker 9 (36:50):
Mike.

Speaker 2 (36:51):
While boy racers are pain in the ass, they don't
cause the same damage to society as p does. I
think we'd all agree with that. Fourteen past.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
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Speaker 2 (37:04):
That'd be Prime min is for about fifteen minutes away
in the studio from Truth Social just a couple of
moments ago. My next truth, says Donald Trump. My next
truth will be one of the most important and impactful
I've ever issued in joy. So we stand by for that.
It'll have something to do with the Middle East. We
can only but guess, but we'll well as soon as
we know. You know, it turns out black market, our

(37:24):
black market is the ninth smallest in the world. What
does that actually mean? This comes from the World Bank.
It tells us the hidden economy costs US around thirteen
billions a year in unseen taxes, which is about eleven
or twelve percent of our GDP independent tax ex But
jeff Nightingale back with us, Jeffrey, good morning, Good morning mate.
It's a big number, but not a bad number. What
do we make of it is about what you thought
it might be. Does anyone have a clue?

Speaker 18 (37:47):
No, we don't really test it in New Zealand, so
that the World Bank modeling is about as best as
good as we can get. But I'd be surprised if
it was that big. I think it's significant, but you know,
we've got a pretty good tax system. Most taxes collected
at source when we pay wages and when we pay
interest and dividends. So there is definitely a cash or

(38:08):
a black economy, but I'd be surprised was quite as
big as as the World Bank is predicted.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
And this takes in gangs as well as people going
just fix that for me and I'll give you fifty
bucks cash.

Speaker 18 (38:19):
Yeah, there's three issues. There's the caches that we all know.
There is organized crime and the process of crime which
are run as sort of the business enterprises and outside
the system. And then third issue is sort of under
reported income, so income that doesn't get reported by someone
that's in the system, or expenses that are overclaimed, and
those three things add up to the tax gap.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
If you like that last one. The IID seemed to
be moving on. These numbers are over the last couple
of days about people involved in investment, property and developers
and stuff like that. So something's happened with an IRD
and they're working a little bit harder than they have.
Is that fair?

Speaker 18 (38:55):
That's absolutely true. So two things have happened. One is
post very kind of relaxed approach to get us through
COVID inland revenue, have tightened enforcement and so they're doing
projects in construction, hospitality, property. And the second thing that's
happened is they both have the technology now and the
funding to go after large data sets. So they are

(39:17):
matching up Almost everything we do these days is electronic
and they are matching up those data sets with tax
returns and they're collecting, reasoning the significant amounts of revenue
from that.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Are we doing about as good as we can? There's
always going to be a black economy, isn't.

Speaker 11 (39:31):
There There is?

Speaker 13 (39:32):
There is.

Speaker 18 (39:33):
I think we're doing about as good as we can.
I think, you know, there's always room to do a
bit more. And the point about a collecting is not
so much to get more tax into that and make
government bigger. It's about keeping the tax rates on those
people in the system as low as possible.

Speaker 13 (39:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Interesting, all right, mate, Appreciate your expertise as always. Jeb
ninth and Gale, independent tax expert. For what it's worth,
the top twenty ish, as far as I can work out,
are all within a margin. The best in the world
appears to be at seven point nine percent of GDP. Switzerland.
The States is second, maybe that's a surprise to you
given their reliance on cash. China at eight do we
believe that Japan at ten point two? We come in

(40:12):
as I say, at ninth eleven point two, were just
ahead of the UK at eleven point seven, Australia at
twelve point six. There is Dodge, yes, but we knew
that Ireland thirteen point two. And you go out to
somewhere like Saudi Arabia at fourteen point seven, but none
of them are you know, seventy percent seven twenty.

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(41:44):
just what is it that Tama potark has been doing
for a year and a half. I mean, how many
times have you heard me ask the Prime Minister on
a Monday, when's the why tangy decision going to be made?
What is potarka doing with this activist tribunal? You've heard
me say that over and over. Well, Friday, we've got
the arts. He's going to have a review. I thought,
that's what he's been doing. That's why I thought we've

(42:07):
been waiting so long. The impatience I was showing and
asking the Prime Minister is not when's he announcing a review?
It's when is the government snipping the wings of the
taxpayer funded activists that have lived well past their use
by date. The Tribunal was set up, if you can
believe it, fifty years ago, to settle historic grievances. They have,
to a large extent done that. The fact that some
remain outstanding is an indictment on the people who haven't

(42:29):
settled and various governments who have refused to put deadlines
in place. But the majority of the intent of the
Tribunal's over. Having ticked that box, they saw a future
in a lot more money and a lot more work,
offering increasingly radical views for anyone who was bored and
angry and wanted to take a case so they could
get a judgment to beat the government of the day
over the head. With this current government, perceived by the
aggrieved as particularly nasty, have kept the Tribunal flat out,

(42:52):
filing complaints and receiving damning reports. None of it means
anything because the tribunal has no real legal standing. None
of this is complex for goodness sake, Yet Otaka has
been sitting there doing lord knows what to finally muster
up a press release on a Friday to tell us
it long, long, long, long, long, long last. He's going
to get a couple of people to wander off for
a few months and come back with an opinion the

(43:13):
government wants so they can do what they should have
done all along, which is call a holt to a circus.
Once again, we remind you, no small amount of the
support that got this government to power was predicated on
the idea that enough was enough. On the mari over
each front, delivery has been painfully slow. Po Tarker has
been dragging the chain. Is it possible part of the
reason this government has failed to fire more than it

(43:35):
has is simply because their talk was a lot more
attractive than their action. Passing Yes, Mike, I'm a parent
of too active outdoor kids, but would very much welcome
a ban. It's just too addictive and they see so
much rubbish. I'm sure this is where the escalation of
the bad behavior and crime stems from. In my opinion, Kate,
you're correct, but I believe you are. And I go back.

(43:56):
Katie and I are been talking about this over the weekend.
When we were pairingarranting active younger children. There was no
social media until there were sixteen, and when they were sixteen,
it was private accounts only, and there were phones and
bowls every night, and there were phones and bowls on holiday,
and there were endless hours and restrictions and things they
could and they couldn't do. And we were hated, and
we were hated by our children, and we were hated

(44:17):
by our children's friends, and we were questioned severely by
other parents who were going, I don't know how you
do what you do. It's too difficult. I know I
couldn't do that, and we said things like, wait, give
it a go.

Speaker 12 (44:30):
Then those people needed a phone bowl exactly.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
We had a bowl. We had a phone bowl. And
tell you what, and I look back now at that,
and I defend it with an element of pride. Wasn't
particularly enjoyable at the time.

Speaker 12 (44:43):
I mean, their deep seated resentment of yours ongoing obviously.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Yeah, And I can't pinpoint that to the phone rules
as opposed to any other rules. So I don't know anyway,
we'll talk to the Prime Minister about this and other
matters and including of course the Waitangi tribunal. Here's with
us and then we'll do this. If you didn't see
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(45:07):
It was a race for the ages. Anyway, more Sport
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Speaker 2 (45:27):
Three minutes away from eight Sport up the way, of course.
Meantime for a Monday morning, the Prime Minister was with
us A Christopher lux very good morning to you. Were
we part of the coalition of a willing phone call
over the weekend? Yeah?

Speaker 6 (45:38):
I was.

Speaker 7 (45:39):
I spoke with those leaders over a video conference on
Saturday night, very late Saturday night.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Are you bullish on anything that may or may not
happen this week?

Speaker 7 (45:46):
Well, look, I mean what we agreed on that call
is that we want to see a thirty day cease
fire implemented from Monday, and that's got to be without conditions,
and it's across land, sea and air. And really now
it's the bulls in Russia's court because we can put
an immediate cease fire in place and start conversations and negotiations.
But it's very simple.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
It looks to me like that stalling.

Speaker 7 (46:06):
And the question is they started this war, the are
the ones that can finish it, and Putin just needs
to show up and actually agree to that ceasefire and
then get into the negotiations. So you know, that's why
we are very you know, we're saying there's now a
plan and a proposal. Thirty day seas fire unconditional starts
on Monday. The Americans have been behind it, the European
leaders are all united in it. I joined the Corps

(46:28):
with Australia and Canada as well spoke to that particular
point as well. And then if Russia doesn't show up,
then we've got to apply more sanctions and we've got
to continue to stand with Ukraine.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
All right before I forget no, it just sort of
re China in the US if they cut some sort
of deal, and the US and the UK have cut
some sort of deal and the UK gets some products
into America teriff free. We have been lumped with ten
percent universal. Would we change our mind on trying to
do something about that because we're materially then worse off

(46:59):
than we were.

Speaker 7 (47:00):
Yeah, we don't want to be any worse off than
anybody else.

Speaker 2 (47:02):
I mean, the.

Speaker 7 (47:02):
Reality is the Brits actually had tariffs that were above
ten percent on cars as you know, and steal them.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
But they can get Rolls Royce in there for zero.
So if they're getting other stuff in for zero and
we're not getting stuff in for zero, we're losing, aren't we.

Speaker 7 (47:14):
Well, we've got our officials and they've had them in
there before the announcement of tariffs. Tod mcclay's got another
trade meeting coming up with his trade representative who has
equivalent essentially coming up at an APEC meeting very shortly
next month. So we continue to make the case for
why tariffs applied to New Zealand don't make sense.

Speaker 2 (47:31):
But equally, when you talk to our exporters.

Speaker 7 (47:33):
Actually many of them, and I spoke to a few
last week again are actually saying, look, this is a
big market, three hundred and seventy million people. There's lots
of wealthy consumers in that market, and if we've got
premium products and services we want to sell to them,
we should keep targeted those very very closely, and so
we'll monitor it, we keep the engagement high, but importantly
we just get on with the business and actually make

(47:54):
sure we're no worse off than anyone else, and.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Then act agree to disagree. Where does this go from here?

Speaker 7 (47:58):
On the guns, look, I mean on firearms, my position
is pretty clearly. We want to make sure we're enhancing
public safety. I've said that time and time again. We
think the registry has been effective at that and particularly
if you think about straw man sales going to gangs
and criminals, that's been good. We're living in an MMP world,
as I said from day one.

Speaker 3 (48:16):
They feel differently about that.

Speaker 7 (48:18):
The Cabinet didn't support the proposal that went through and
the way that they wanted it to go, and so
we're very pragmatic. We have an agree to disagree where
they can.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
And that's just like it's done. Yes, it's done.

Speaker 7 (48:28):
So the cabinet decision is the cabinet decision. They didn't
agree with that, and we gave them an agreed to
disagreeable well on.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
The subjects of ACT social media. So you've seen Erica Stamford.
Is she the only talented person you've got in the room? Now,
I mean, how come she does everything?

Speaker 13 (48:41):
I mean?

Speaker 2 (48:41):
For goodness? So look and just back up the truck
of that where she's got immigration education, she's doing the
victims of abuse, and now you're telling her to wonder
often solve social media problems.

Speaker 7 (48:51):
Now, her and I have very aligned on the social
media piece that she's got a lot of passon about.
Just think about what the work Nicola Willis is doing
to clean up an ungodly mess that we inherited.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
Think about what bishops Your bishop's busy?

Speaker 7 (49:02):
What about what about you know, Sam and Brown, Martin
Mitchell on police?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Give it only policemency. I mean, let's look, I'm not
I'm just saying, don't you have any What I'm asking though?
With ACT and social media? If they don't agree, what
are you going to do? Numbers wise? Well, again, we'll.

Speaker 7 (49:19):
Work at They've sort of started to shift their position
a little bit on the weekend, which is good. So
let's just see where we get to with them. There
might still be a pathway through all of that. But
let's let's see and if not, we'll continue to reach
out to other parties as well.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
So you go with labor, we'll look to try and
go with labor.

Speaker 7 (49:33):
Yeah, I mean to me, Mike, it's not actually a
political issue whose parents you know, the kids, which parties
their parents vote for is irrelevant. This is actually something
where our parents and our principles and teachers saying, look, it's.

Speaker 2 (49:45):
Out of control.

Speaker 7 (49:47):
We have controls in the physical world, but we don't
have any in the virtual online world.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yep. It's hard, as you've highlighted over the course.

Speaker 7 (49:53):
Of the week in terms of implementation, but cheap as
I mean, I had people telling me the phone band
was going to be impossible to implement and behole. We
found a way through. So yeah, it's more complex than that,
no doubt about it. But actually you've got to believe
in this day and age, we can find a way
through that.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Okay, So you've seeming answered my question. I would argue,
not not because I don't agree with you, but I
don't know anyone who's done what you're looking to do.
Do you know something we don't technically speak, Well, there.

Speaker 7 (50:17):
Is technology being tried, for example, in Australia about how
you do age verification. Now you've got the EU, the UK,
the US, States, Canada all looking at the same piece
of work, and some much more developed than us. We're
probably a bit fast following rather than leading on this.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
And you know that's what I've asked Eric to do,
is go away, look at.

Speaker 7 (50:36):
All the jurisdictions, get something pragmatic and practical in place
for New Zealand, and let's take that bill to cabinet,
make a cabinet.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
Decision that we can. It was a little bit about
this you being the bad guy, like the school phone band.
In other words, so parents can go look the government
told us that you've got to be sixteen and that'll do.

Speaker 3 (50:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (50:53):
Look, I think it was interesting learning from the phone band.
You know, for about two or three weeks I had
principles coming out against it, and unions and everybody and
some parents. But actually at the end of the day
now when you talk to the parents, the teachers, the principles,
they're actually quite grateful we took control because they were
out of control. And I think that's sort of criticism,
it's just the reality of it. It's too overwhelming, and

(51:14):
so by us stepping in and being the bad guys,
I think and just said, that's the that's the setup.
It just gave clarity to everybody. And I think it's
the same kind of challenge we've got here as well.
I mean, the incidence is Mike of you know, the
cyber bullying and New Zealand is huge. We've seen a
big decrease of that with the phone band. You know,
the balls are going through freaking glass windows again, which
is great because kids are actually talking to each other

(51:37):
face to face.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
Novel idea. Okay, you're at the tourism thing last week. Yeah,
you made your announcement. I told you about that, and
I'm not the only one. I told you about the
thing you announced months and months ago. Too slow.

Speaker 7 (51:47):
No, isn't it great that we listened to you?

Speaker 2 (51:50):
And no, it's not about that. It's about pulling every
lever you can to get people back into the country.
But slow, slow, slow, slow.

Speaker 7 (51:59):
I just say, I think when you've seen a twenty
three percent growth and tourism expenditure in the last twelve
months and it's accelerating in the last three to three
to six months, that's been pretty good.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
Okay.

Speaker 7 (52:08):
And the good thing about that conference, Mike, to be honest,
is I walked those stalls and spoke to each of you.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Know, many of those individuals. They were really up there.
We had four and in last week you said the
same thing that he was seeing some increasing amount of
out confidence. So you would argue, but here's the thing.
What came out of that conference. The headline that came
out of the conference is quote unquote the new normal.
Eighty six percent of where we were is the new normal. Apparently,
what sort of attitudes is that? No, that's not right.
That's not the attitude at all.

Speaker 7 (52:33):
We want to see. We want to restore to pre
COVID levels fast. You're seeing markets like India in the
US that are well ahead of where they were pre COVID.

Speaker 3 (52:41):
That's great.

Speaker 7 (52:42):
The Australians are coming on song pretty quickly. I think
they're up to ninety five percent. We've got challenges with
the Chinese, as we've talked about. That's but the other
the Indians are up, you know, one hundred and thirty percent.
When I was in India, I had a big tourism
event up there and we had a record number of
buyers from the travel industry India come down to this
trends event, thirty two of them from memory and it

(53:03):
was great. They really turned on to it. So we've
just got to get to China and make the case
again for tourism.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
So in making the case in China, is that because
they don't want to come here or they can't afford
to come.

Speaker 7 (53:14):
To be really honest, I think in that six year
period where we were very myopicant and we're looking and
our foreign ministers and our trade ministers and our promises
didn't go into Southeast Asia or Northeast Asia or China
or in the Inn Pacific, we actually lost share of
mind within China. And so it's an awareness story that
we have to unpack again in there. It's a big market.
There's still big seams of wealthy people that can still

(53:35):
come to New Zealand from China and a market of
one and a half billion people, and so we just
have to do a better marketing sales job of actually
making the case for New Zealand.

Speaker 2 (53:43):
Okay, Tama Potiker, this is on me. I assumed he
was out there doing a review on the tribunal Why
Tangi Tribunal and then on Friday, he comes out and announces,
after a year and a half of doing lord knows what,
we're suddenly going to have a review.

Speaker 7 (53:58):
What it's got to do all day and the process organized.
He's off to do the engagement by the middle of
the year. He'll have advice back to him by September
this year, and then you have two years and to
legislative options in place by the end of the year,
and then we'll be introduction into the bill early next year.
Why wasn't it done day one? Well, there's a lot
of other things we had to do. I mean, I
know you'd argue that I should have done at day one.
You'd argue that should have been doing everything day one.

(54:19):
But if I'm boiling the ocean doing everything all at
once and not staging or sequencing it, I'm telling you
we're not getting anything done.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
With This review is a review with a view to what.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
Well, there's no predetermined outcome here, but what the books? No, No,
there is a need for us to actually say what
the way something.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
If you've got no view, why are you reviewing?

Speaker 13 (54:39):
Then?

Speaker 14 (54:39):
Well?

Speaker 7 (54:40):
No, what I'm saying is we are there's no predetermined outcome,
but the rationale for us changing the role of the
White Tongue Trimpunal and.

Speaker 2 (54:46):
What it is about in the future.

Speaker 7 (54:47):
It's very very clear, irrespective whether you're on any side
of that debate. Go look at Chris fin Layson's book
and a post Treaty Settlement world, which we've got through
the last vast majority of it. You've got to ask
the question, what is the role of the White Tongue
Tribunal and what is it and what isn't it going
to be going forward? And define it? And that's what
I'm expecting him to do. So that's a legitimate question
that we can ask and should be asking to find

(55:09):
their role going forward.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Do you do anything for Mother's Day? Did you do
anything nice? Anything?

Speaker 7 (55:14):
Well, I've got a twenty five and a twenty three
year old, so life is. Did they they manage to
get Amanda a six racket tennis bag six?

Speaker 3 (55:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:23):
She's only got two rackets.

Speaker 7 (55:24):
So I don't quite know what they were thinking, but
she seemed to like it, which was exciting. And some
special body wash that I'm not allowed to use in
the shower now apparently.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
So that's all I know.

Speaker 2 (55:35):
So do you have separate body washes.

Speaker 13 (55:37):
We do we do?

Speaker 7 (55:38):
You know this loot doesn't come together?

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Can I give you a tip? We have separate showers?
Do you really if we do so? Therefore you can
have your own hope you have separate bedrooms. We don't
have bedrooms, only separate showers. This has gone on every day.
Is Valentine's Day in the hosty house? Exactly right? Well
see Advice thirteen Away from eight, The.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
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Speaker 2 (56:05):
I must tell you about our mother's day at our
place yesterday because it was unusual, to say the least.
It ended okay. In fact, it probably ended well, but
that wasn't the story the whole day. I must also
alert you to the fact to go to our social
media and the Prime Minister says he's going to pop
it up somewhere today and I wouldn't be surprised in
the post cabinet press conference if he raises the photo himself.

(56:28):
But we've got a photo this morning with Christapha Luxen
and Samuel the producer. Samuel had a bet that he
lost that the couple of weeks ago when the Crusaders
played the Highlanders. Samuel suggested that the Highlanders would win.
Obviously he was on a hiding to nothing, and the
score was basically that if the Crusaders won, Samuel would

(56:50):
have to wear the Crusaders jersey, which he is now wearing,
as provided to us by the Prime Minister.

Speaker 12 (56:55):
Now, I think they're going cheap this weekend, actually, the
Crusaders jerseys.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Exactly, it didn't go well.

Speaker 12 (57:00):
There's not a lot of demand for them, not.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
As much demand. But anyway, Sam, who backs himself as
a bit of a weight lifter and a bit of
a body builder, unfortunately is not filling out this jersey particularly.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Well.

Speaker 12 (57:09):
Yeah, I'm surprised by that. It's immediately made him look like.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
A wimp. Wimp, yeah, yeah, and it's small.

Speaker 12 (57:18):
I don't think it's I think I think Sam's actually agreed,
is that this He's been disappointed at how quickly exactly
this one jersey has basically it worked like kryptonitet.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
So anyway, have a look at the socials and see
Sam and the Prime Minister. Sam is is the face
painting off? Because the face painting was going to be
a thing, We're not. It was too cruel. The Prime
minister was going to be too cruel, which it probably was.
But anyway, go to the socials and have a look
at the photos.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
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Speaker 2 (57:49):
It's the Mother's Day at our house. Yesterday opened reasonably early.
It was shortly I think after four am, just a
little bit maybe about ten parts four, and I was
awoken the words by my wife, can you hear that?
At which point I sort of lay there thinking to myself,
can I hear what? And I lay there and lay

(58:10):
there and lay there, and eventually I concluded there was
nothing to be hurt at all, so I said, no,
I can't And there we lay there quietly for a
few more minutes until suddenly we went deep and I went,
oh that, yes, I can hear that. That turned out
to be the smoke alarm. So the smoke alarm, which
is wired in and I thought didn't need a battery,
does have a battery wired and smoke alarms have backup batteries,

(58:32):
nine bolt batteries, as it turns out. And I know
that because I rang the electrician and I said, what's
going on here? And he goes, well, that'll be the
nine bolt battery. So anyway, so I've got to replace
a nine bolt battery or he will anyway. So we
do all of that, and then we normally get up
five to five thirty, so at about ten past by
a bit earlier because we're tired at this point because
we'd waken up at four o'clock. So between five and
five thirty. Next thing, I hear this unusual noise, and

(58:54):
I hear this noise at the same time, and my
wife hears the same noise at the same time. It's
the dog vomiting. So the dog throws up, at which
point we then have to get out of bed. I
feel you then go out into a freezing cold morning
in the dark to make sure the dog is not
going to die of whatever the dog ate when it
went on for a walk yesterday. So by about five

(59:15):
point thirty were up, still dark, freezing cold on a
Mother's Day morning. Fortunately, as I say, things improved from
there and gifts and lots of love and good times
were exchange. But you know, four in the morning on
a Sunday, you can do without it, can't you. Let's
get into the sport and a couple of moments. He
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Speaker 1 (59:35):
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Speaker 2 (59:51):
It's into.

Speaker 11 (59:54):
Run come.

Speaker 17 (59:54):
We've come from five points and we've got them, and
we've beat on the drawer b Tea four points to
five and that chicks come to christ Church and make
a real statement of intense and the Super Rugby competition.

Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
Warriors win again.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Therefore off the trot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
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Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Seven past eight, Andrew Sevil, Jason Pine, both Wethers Fellows,
good morning to you, Good morning. Highlight of the week, Jason, Warriors,
Warriors winning up to second.

Speaker 9 (01:00:38):
Luke Metcalf again showing is a bit clutch.

Speaker 8 (01:00:41):
What I love about the Warriors, Mike, is how they're
winning in different ways and winning the close ones. I
think that's four or five games this year they've won
by margins and single figures. Look back to last year
and they were losing six or seven games by single
figures loving the way the Warriors are going.

Speaker 9 (01:01:00):
They were the highlight for.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Meat Well, said sav A.

Speaker 17 (01:01:03):
Yeah, similar, Mike. I have to add the Chiefs beating
the Crusaders into that, given they were down by heaps
around halftime and then came out on that second half
and blew the Crusaders away again. Yea, there are a
great team to watch when they're on fire. The Chiefs outstanding.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
Yeah, where's this go? To pick the final four for me?
And who wins it?

Speaker 17 (01:01:24):
Ultimately probably Chiefs Crusaders, Brumbies and the Reds Queensland would
be your top four. The Hurricanes are coming into some
sort of form. I wouldn't totally right off the Blues yet.
I think they're still a dangerous team should they make
the knockout rounds Mike, but I still think it looks

(01:01:48):
as though it'll be a Chiefs Crusaders final, although if
the Crusaders lose Will Jordan for any stretch of time,
that is a massive blow.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Okay, Jason, you're the coach of the Warriors, right and
you're winning, and you're winning well, and you're winning in
different ways as you point out, and some of your
key players come back. How do you slat them and
given that you've got a winning side already.

Speaker 8 (01:02:09):
Yeah, it's a great question and one that Andrew Webster
I'm sure is thinking about when you've got quality like
James Fisher Harris coming back, I mean he has to
go back in Jackson Ford by the looks that is
carrying an injury which might help in that regard Roger
Tuibasis check, I mean, how do you leave him out?
He brought Dllan what tennis Aleisniak back And I'm a
huge fan of not changing a winning team and the

(01:02:31):
next man up mentality has been so obvious at Warriors HQ.
Some of these young players who wouldn't have got the
opportunity had the more established guy it's been fit have
really stood up. Lecka Hella Seima what a player this
kild could be and others as well. I'd be sticking
with it, Mike. What I'm looking forward to is a
couple of weeks away. I know they've got the Dolphins

(01:02:51):
this weekend, but when the Raiders come to go media
on the night of what is the twenty fifth of
Mayo tool on Oh, it will be a cracker review
for Vegas.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
Mike Revege revenge for Vegas. There's your strap line, Jason,
nice work. Get it straight down to Sachi's revenge.

Speaker 17 (01:03:09):
For bring I think you've got to bring to vasisk
and James Fisher Horris straight back Indo.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
Well you have to. I mean, you're paying them big
bucks and they expect him to play. I'm assuming, but
you run a run a risk when you've got a
vibe going. You've got a vibe going, haven't you.

Speaker 9 (01:03:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (01:03:23):
Sure, but who they are veterans, they are at standing players,
and yeah, it's been amazing how that what they've done
without without some of these injured guys and the defense,
defensive capabilities they're showing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
And then I think that was the coach of the year.

Speaker 17 (01:03:43):
Well, clearly he has a major role, Mike. But just
the fact that they're down on the scoreboard a few
times here and there, they're not panicking, they're not throwing
it away.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
It's good looking. I'm I'm thoroughly enjoying it. It seems
to me to be a coming of age, which I'm
excited about. Speaking of which, my light of the weekend.
Thanks for asking, guys. Awesome Matt Payne last yeah, last
race yesterday, I mean all the races were good, and
Tasmania is a weird place in well weird place plus
a weird track. But that race that finished yesterday in

(01:04:14):
the third race, was phenomenal. And he is getting better
and better every weekend. He's always been fast and qualifying.
He's been able to get around a track and a
lap fast, but the race thing has not always been there,
but it is now.

Speaker 17 (01:04:27):
You'd imagine he'd be pushing for the championship this year,
wouldn't he.

Speaker 2 (01:04:31):
He'd be well, certainly, he's certainly up there. I don't
know if you beat Foenie and Brown on a regular basis,
but he's right there and he's fast, and so anyone
could pick him up and be fast. It's not just
like a guy in a fast car. He's fast and
can make a car fast, and I think that that's
his great talent. And he's only twenty two, twenty three, well,
he's only in his third season. Whatever it is, so

(01:04:52):
you know it's quite bold?

Speaker 9 (01:04:54):
Was it quite a bold strategy?

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Mike Very ran out of tires and Fioeni was hunting
him down, and if Phoenie had had another one hundred
yards would have got him. But to run along the
way he did was risky, but but that's you know,
those are the decisions you make under fire. Jason sorts
out more than the boys.

Speaker 17 (01:05:15):
Did you Did you yelp louder for the Warriors or
for Matt pain That's.

Speaker 2 (01:05:20):
A good question. No, it was all the Warriors because
Matt Paine, I think, had it. I knew he had it,
and I would have been disappointed if he didn't have it.
It wasn't a matter of him going, oh God, I
hope he makes it. I thought he would. Whereas the Warriors,
I mean, you just you're just rebel. I'm reveling more, Sev.
I'm yelping less and reveling more because I'm increasingly confident
into what's unfolding.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Listen, we need to get serious in a moment.

Speaker 6 (01:05:42):
What is it?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Think about this over the break because I want good, solid,
proper answers. Why is it that you can bring in
more revenue than you ever have and still lose money?
So we'll talk about the rugby union.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
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Speaker 2 (01:06:13):
Right o, Jason, give it to me. So they're losing
money despite bringing in more money than ever. Kirk says,
we've got a massive participation crisis and unions I'm reading
over the weekend have only got limited support for the
national body anyway, What the hell's going on?

Speaker 8 (01:06:25):
Yeah, it's a great question. Mark Robinson seemed to part it,
or tried to anyway in pretty positive terms. Didn't he
with you to eighty five million revenue? But you're right,
any business that is spending, you know, significantly more that's
erning is in trouble.

Speaker 9 (01:06:38):
JEDR plus is I think, you know, quite near the
heart of this.

Speaker 8 (01:06:42):
They've poured a lot of money into this content channel
for very little in the way of return as far
as uptake from fans is concerned, but also revenue generation
coming back the other way. I think the idea is
insitr plus is something they want to be able to
show to, you know, to prospective spots and say, look
look at all these hundreds of thousands, even millions of

(01:07:03):
people engaging with us.

Speaker 9 (01:07:05):
You should get a piece of that. Well, it hasn't
really happened.

Speaker 8 (01:07:08):
I think there are more about five times more people
watching the All Blacks YouTube channel than subscribing to NDS
at R plus. So it seems as though this content
play there has been a big part of this and
clearly isn't working very well.

Speaker 17 (01:07:21):
What do you reckon, sav I think they're in Disneyland.
If they thought people were going to subscribe to a channel,
you'd have to have bloody good content on it for
people to want to pay for it, Mike. When other
sporting bodies like NFL and NBA it's all pretty much free,
isn't it. To a large degree, this is free.

Speaker 9 (01:07:37):
As well, though, save at the moment, and people still
aren't signing up to it.

Speaker 17 (01:07:41):
Yeah, well, initially it was going to be subscription. There
wasn't so they'd make their money back on it plus
some but that hasn't happened, Mike. I think I listened
to that Mark Robinson interview.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
The other day that did you? I mean, was it
just me?

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
I couldn't.

Speaker 9 (01:07:54):
I couldn't. I couldn't really understand what was going on.

Speaker 17 (01:07:56):
No, maybe I'm thick.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
There are a lot of people in well a lot
of maybe thick people as well. But I was just listening.
I just thought, this is crap. I mean, he's just talking,
He's talking out his ass.

Speaker 17 (01:08:09):
They've got to spend a lot of money on on
player salaries. I get that they're in a competitive market globally.
Players will stay here for the all black jersey, but
also they need to be you know, looked after, which
is which is totally understandable. I think the areas of
the game though that are bloated. Staffing numbers in some
areas of ens that are I think are bloated. I

(01:08:31):
think costs can be cut. I don't think you'd want
to see the day where they start really scrimping and
cutting costs and say the All Blacks and the performance
of that team starts to drop off. That would be
the last thing that they want or need. But there
has clearly they're overspending, right so there has to be
some some cost cutting. My understanding is that David Kirk

(01:08:55):
as chairman of the new board, the boards come in,
I think we may well see a clip out of
some of the executive and the not two distant future,
whether the New Commercial Company board remains or if it's
more aligned with the other board. If not trying to
confuse things too much, that may happen. My understanding is,

(01:09:16):
you know, there's a leading executive. He could after World
Rugby very very soon. So we're already starting to see
maybe people moved on from high positions under this new board,
which I think pretty much has to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:09:29):
Would you surmise, then, Jason, that sav's correct. It's it's
the running of the game that's the problem, because I
would ask the question is it possible, And this goes
to Kirk's comments about participation. Is it possible? It's as
a sport, it's just unsalvigible in terms of like it's
just not something that we're as gripped by as we
used to be because we like NFL, NBA football, whatever.

Speaker 8 (01:09:52):
You're like, well, I think both of those things can
be true. That we're not as as tied to it,
you know, as passionately as we always have been. You're right,
this isn't This isn't the nineteen seventies where it was
rugby or nothing. But I still think it's certainly a
brand which is powerful. You look at the All Blacks,
and I think that also lies at the heart of this,
there is an undeniable power in the All Blacks brand.

(01:10:14):
They can still attract big partnerships like the Toyota one recently.

Speaker 9 (01:10:19):
That's a great partner.

Speaker 2 (01:10:19):
But is that what it comes down to? Though they're
only interested in the All Blacks. Forget the women, forget participation,
forget all that. Just it's the All Blacks.

Speaker 8 (01:10:30):
If that is the case, then that is not sustainable
because there has to be something below the peak of
the pyramid in order to feed into the All Blacks.
As we know, look, administrative costs bloated, yes, salaries high, Yes,
I go back to this content strategy unless unless that
they find a way to somehow engage a bunch of

(01:10:52):
people in this content of theirs. Then I kind of
feel as though entered out plus needs to be kicked
to the curb and they just need to stay in
their land and concentrate on.

Speaker 17 (01:11:00):
The Silver Lake deal hasn't worked as yet, has it?
And and I think this new financial year or current
financial I think that's when the seven and a half
percent kicks in or whatever that figure is, where they
have to pay Silver like the revenue cut of the
revenue Mike. The concern is I think, look, there's always
going to be a banging of heads between the provincial

(01:11:22):
unions and ended are that that that's happened forever. It's
always going to happen probably, But at the moment again,
I think the relationship is not great and the fear
is that the production line is going to run out,
at the bottom of the pyramid is going to dry up.
I see the news in another twenties of just One
that beaten South Africa to win the Rugby Championship, which
is encouraging, but there is still a fear the one

(01:11:44):
day this production line is going to run out and
back won't keep on winning.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
Yeah, that's right. Good conversation guys. Well then you go
well and we catch up next Monday. Andrew Cevl Jason
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fifteen the other day, an under fifteen tournament the other day.
Kids are loving league rugby feels old. Jarnick sinner, by

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the way, we didn't have time to raise it was
my other fascination over the weekend. So he comes back
to the Italian Open. Whire is the soy of relevance
will of course he was banned. And it seems to
me these days, you break the rules and you get
banned for a short period of time, no one seems
to care. So it was a sellout crowd. He's Italian.
There are a lot of signs going welcome back, Yarnick.

(01:13:33):
I mean, and they didn't say despite the fact, you're
a cheat and got caught. So he did a deal.
If you didn't follow the story, three month ban. It
was a settlement with the World Anti Doping Agency conveniently
allowed him not to miss miss a single Grand Slam
and he would return to his home tournament. I mean,
how does that work? So you cheat, get caught cheating,
and then you go, look, well look I don't want

(01:13:54):
to miss any Grand slams. Oh no missing Grand slams, Yannick.
And when I come back, can I come back to
my home tournament so all the crowd can turn up
with signs saying welcome back young. Oh, absolutely, no problem
at all.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
How does that work?

Speaker 2 (01:14:05):
And this is like the snook of the other last
week with the Chinese guye and there whatever there were Chinese,
but ten of them. Match fixing, betting, Oh no, you're
banned for two years. Oh, welcome back. So you're the
world champion. Now are you fantastic? What happened to the
days of actually in a bit of punishment where you
maybe learned your list?

Speaker 12 (01:14:21):
When did that ever happen? I mean, I'm pretty successful
Australian cricketers who are only pretty successful because you know
they got banned for a bet.

Speaker 2 (01:14:28):
Let's talk about the Australian election, which is still being
mopped up. Steve Price.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
Does this back my argument up? Or Miles Hurrale of
Fontira's argument up. So I'm reading tip Top now. Fontirasold
Tiptop back in nineteen twenty nineteen for three hundred and
eighty million dollars, and they said, we don't want to
make ice creams anymore. We've got other things to do
with our lives. What's left in their portfolio au Capity
cheeses and your anchor brands and your butter and all
that sort of stuff. They want to consumer brands and

(01:15:07):
they want to flick those off at the moment and
they're at the process. As you well know, if you're
a regular with expressions of interest and there are people
lining up, left, right and centered to pay some I'm
assuming very good money so that Fronteria can take the
cash banquet and get out of the business and they
will go on. Anyway, tip Top has gone through the
roof for revenues climbed to two hundred and seven million,
up from one hundred and eighty six. Net profit is

(01:15:27):
jumped by thirty percent. They paid out fifty million dollars
in dividends. Net profit is jumped by thirty percent. So
my question, so Myles Horrible, would go, see, we sold it,
we weren't doing that well. Somebody came in who's ne
ext bird in the field and bought it, and they're
doing really well. Good on them. I would say, how
hard is it to sell ice cream? Given you're already
in the broad based dairy industry, and if they can

(01:15:48):
do it, why can't you? And if you can do it,
hire some people to do it properly. That way you
can make some more money.

Speaker 12 (01:15:53):
So I stopped for an ice cream yesterday at Pocono,
which I haven't done for quite some time.

Speaker 2 (01:16:00):
When I go to Pokona. We'll stop last both there you.

Speaker 12 (01:16:02):
Go, and I can tell you people love ice cream.

Speaker 2 (01:16:06):
People do love ice cream, There's no question about that.
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Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
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Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
I'm study with guys Stephen. Good morning to you. Good
day there, Susan Lay. Is she your winner or not?

Speaker 11 (01:16:22):
Probably not. I think Angus Taylor will probably prevail. But
whatever the result of the Liberal leadership battle tomorrow is
whoever gets the job, would you want that job?

Speaker 6 (01:16:35):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:16:36):
No, We're going to be you know, at least three years,
probably six years opposition leader. You've got forty odd seats
compared to your opponent with ninety class. You've got liberal
chance of really ever any up being Prime minister. You're
basically warming the seat. As a dear friend of mine said,

(01:16:56):
don't ever take the first pancake. I mean, they're just
going to be handed an impossible mission to try and
reinvigorate the Liberal Party. So I don't know. And my
honest answer to you would be who cares? Because the
new leader of the Liberal Party is probably either not
in the parliament or if they are in the Parliament,

(01:17:17):
are much younger than that, and they'll sit and wait
by the.

Speaker 2 (01:17:19):
Time fair enough, So does Zangers get up because he
got Justiner across the line and that's some sort of
cool ticket or that doesn't make any difference.

Speaker 11 (01:17:27):
I think that helps him. I think certainly that people
in the Liberal National Coalition believe that just Into nampergenper
Prices is someone who needs to be in a senior role.
The only problem, and I've interviewed just Into a nampertenber
Price a number of times. She's brutally honest. When did

(01:17:47):
your last see a brutally honest politician survive very long?

Speaker 15 (01:17:51):
I mean, this is the problem.

Speaker 11 (01:17:53):
She says what she thinks, and she has views about
a whole range of things that might sit uncomfortably with
the matrons who still control the backrooms the Liberal Party.
So we'll have to wait and see. And it's the
first of the leadership contests, of course. I think really
the more interesting story is probably what the government's doing

(01:18:14):
to itself now as you know that one with a
whopping majority, they're going to be in power for a
long time. But did you realize that the Prime Minister
of Australia Anthony Albernezi. He does not get to select
who are the potential ministers in his own cabinet. He
aligns as signs portfolios, but he gets a list of

(01:18:36):
names presented to him and he's told by the factions
of the Labor Party, the left and the right, Okay,
here's your list who's going to take the field with you,
but you can now sign them, but you're not allowed
to select anyone who's not on that list.

Speaker 2 (01:18:50):
Where did this come from? Because I read the other
day that he's handing out another one to the left
faction because they did well, I mean, what's that about.
Why are you just picking the best people for the job?

Speaker 11 (01:19:01):
Well, what a fabulous question that is. And if only
Australia could be run that way. But it's not. So
you're win a something majority and the left faction go
away and they meet, and the right faction go away
and they meet and they go, Okay, we want more
of our people in and they want more of their
people in. So here's the list. And so what that's

(01:19:22):
resulted in is the Attorney General Dreyfus he's been dumped
and Ed Husick, who was the mint really the Minister
for making things in Australia, he gets dumped as well. Well.
Husick is unloaded on the Prime Minister on ABC yesterday
called him the prime minister, and Deputy Prime Minister Richard Marles,
who heads up the right faction, has called him a

(01:19:44):
ministerial assassin, so the factional assassin. So they're tearing each
other apart. That just so happens. That and I think
I mentioned this to you last week. He's sick was
the first Muslim cabinet minister in Australian history. Drefus was
the most senior Jewish politician in the country. So they've

(01:20:05):
both gone out the door. I mean it seems ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
How factionalized is the Labor Party with then, I mean,
can you be a moderate?

Speaker 11 (01:20:14):
Well no, I mean the moderates are the right wing.
I guess Anthony Albanesi himself, the Prime Minister comes from
the hard left. Yes, there's no more hard left p
and that we've ever had, probably in Australia than did
Anthony Albanesi. And the Deputy Prime Minister and Defense Minister,
Richard mars is from the right. So the two tribes,

(01:20:34):
you know, they fight together during the election, then they
start cutting each other's heads off the moment they win,
the spoilers of office.

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
I reckon, you've bought yourself trouble. I don't know that
Australia realized what they vote for him because your wonky system,
You've ended up with this huge majority and they're just
gonna I've seen it here with the Labor Party here
and they got the majority in twenty through twenty three
and they just they literally lost their minds and they
were heaped out. They just couldn't they couldn't handle themselves.
They got so full of their own self importance and

(01:21:03):
just went crazy.

Speaker 11 (01:21:05):
Well, I live in Victoria and that's been happening now
for four elections with Daniel Andrews and now with Jessindra
Allen the premium and that they got total control of
the state and the places both busted and broke. So
you're quite right, that's exactly what's happened. I should point
out that our great mate doctor Manick Ryan, yes, has
managed to hang on by her fingernails in that seat

(01:21:27):
of key On. The Liberals have been denied that seat,
so we've got to put up with another session with
doctor Ryan in chargement.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
When you got rid of ban though. But having said
that the ban Green things, the fact they're in the Senate,
does that give them a cute oss and irrelevance that
allows them to come back in the Lower House at
another time as opposed to being jettisoned entirely from the
political scene and having to rebuild from the start.

Speaker 13 (01:21:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:21:52):
No, I don't think that they're a party of the Senate.
I mean I thought that it was a naboration that
they had the four seats in the lower House. They
now hung under one. But they are a blocking party
in the Senate. They will now make a lot of
noise because if Labour wants to breathe things through, which
is what you're alluding to a few moments ago, then
they'll do it in the Senate with the help of

(01:22:14):
the Greens. And the Greens are put on tremendous pressure
on their pet topics and we'll have to wait and
see what it does to the country. It is not
going to be pretty.

Speaker 14 (01:22:22):
So.

Speaker 11 (01:22:22):
The Nationals are also up for election today. David Little
prowd as the current leader. He's been challenged by Matt Canavan.
I had Canavan on the Sky Show on Friday night
he's got a good list of things that he wants
to do. I don't think you'll have the numbers to
get there, and so little proud he hangs on. The
big debate in that party room is going to be
look way stronger than the examples. They're the ones who

(01:22:42):
always say we're they're in charge. Why should we be
in a coalition with these people when we've done much
better than them. So we are in the middle of
a very very interesting period in politics. But it's not
going to be great.

Speaker 2 (01:22:54):
I don't think for the country now it will not
be all right. Might see you Wednesday, preciates Steve Price
out of Australia, Mike, as you and I am normally
a big Miles hurrale fan. I took you hat to
your account of a perspective. It's outrageous that from a
New Zealand ink perspective that Fonterra is diversifying the only
globally consumer visible part of its business grape for its
farmer shareholders. Crap the New Zealand tax payers. That would

(01:23:15):
be my view. Eight forty five.

Speaker 1 (01:23:19):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:25):
By the way reading over the weekend about the Greens
after watching the party lose three of its four House
of Rep seat, including the aforementioned Adam Bant, the Greens
have experimented with what I would call a hyper militant
approach during the past three years, as is a former Green.
What will broaden their base is if they lose this
terrible way they have of expressing their moral superiority over

(01:23:46):
everyone else and their refusal to talk meaningfully with ordinary Australians.
Is there a Green party you can think of that
that might apply to apart from the Australians? And you reckon?
What do you reckon? The chances of learning the lesson
are apart from zero. There's a weird thing. I don't
know how much weight to give it, but I'm a
massive wine fan, so I like talking about wine the

(01:24:08):
Real Review, which is a critics website. I'd actually despite
the fact I'm a wine fan, I'd never heard of them.
Doesn't really matter the Real Review. I've done their top
fifty vineyards just looking over the vineyard next door to
our place over the weekend had the tractors and got
lots of people and tractors and stuff. Happening, looks beautiful.
Vineyard looks fantastic when it's all clipped up and finished
for the winter. I reckon just before harvest, and then

(01:24:30):
when it's all clipped up for winter shows that people
love and tend to the buyes. Best vineyard in the
country is Felt and Road, and I would probably go
along with that. If you've never tasted a Block three
or a Block five pin and noir, you've not lived.
Destiny Bay of why Hecky is two t Fareeda Wines
of Marlborough three Framingham Dry River had funnily enough, a

(01:24:54):
small taste of a two thousand eleven Dry River pin
and noir over the weekend because my glorious wife said,
and who's a non drinker by the way, I said,
would you like something to drink for Mother's Day? And
she and I ran through a list of stuff she
could drink for Mother's Day.

Speaker 12 (01:25:09):
Now she said, bloody hell, I've been up since bloody
four o'clock. Bloody smoke alarm.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
There was a bit of me anyway, by the time
we ran through the various options. She I had a
nice wine open and I said, taste this and see
if you like it. And it was quite a beautiful wine,
and she went, I can see why you would like it,
but it's not for me. And I went fair enough,
I said, what about a pen and wa? And she goes, ooh,
I think that'll be nice, And so I said, I

(01:25:34):
happen to have a dry River twenty eleven pin and Wa.
So I opened that and we tasted a little bit
of that, and that was next level. And I said
to her, without word of a lie, bugging me, if
that's not the fifth Beath vineyard in the country, And
there it is?

Speaker 12 (01:25:47):
And were you slurring and listening that way? Because you'd
already had a few by that stage.

Speaker 2 (01:25:52):
Do you know I speak worse on this praying than
I do when I'm drink. I Reckon just might be
a thing. Greggie Range at eleven, which I'm disappointed him
because I'd have Craiggie Range top five all day long.
Hans Hurtzog, same story. Hans Hurtzog comes in at fourteen
Prairie Hills, who actually might be my favorite vineyard of all.
It's thirty four, so the real review is a joke.

Speaker 11 (01:26:14):
I ignore it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:17):
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Speaker 10 (01:28:39):
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Speaker 12 (01:28:46):
Can we make this stop? Please?

Speaker 2 (01:28:48):
Big This is better than the previous one. Morgan Walland
won nothing, Luke Colmb's won nothing. Christopher than won one.
So it's well, don't know what's going on there. I
think it's readink.

Speaker 12 (01:29:02):
I'm gonna go back to that first one that was
almost tolerable.

Speaker 2 (01:29:05):
Yeah, Laney was okay, I reckon, It's like being the
one reviewer Dodge. Yes, I think. I just think we
need to clean the shar up a little bit and
stop running, dodging poles and stuff like that. Anyway, back
tomorrow morning from six there's always Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:29:27):
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