Full Show Podcast: 25 June 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's home for trusted news and views, The Mic
Hosking Breakfitt with the Defender Octor, the most powerful defender
ever made, and us Togs Dead b Monnie Welcome.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Turns out that ceasfire might not have been as simple
as old Donald made it up. So we got some
new numbers around the number of weapons that kids are
taking to school. You report on the massive transfer of
wealth underway in our rural sector. Mark and Jenny Politics Wednesday,
Richard Arnold, Steve Price. They make up your midweek festival
as well. Ask EG seven past six, Welcome to the day.
Another of the large banks, this time ASB joined the

(00:31):
party yesterday adjusted the interest rates for borrowers. Down are
the questioners given Thursday's GDP number? What happens next? The
great suburban game of do you fix or float? Very
much alive The Reserve Bank last time indicated that matters
were in hand. They were neither here nor thereover any
more rate cuts, but in general things took time to
flow through to you and me. In other words, the

(00:53):
previous cuts would take time to arrive in our back pocket.
When they did, we would feel good and life would blossom.
Hence the cuts would be over. Others are argue, even
if that's true, look at the economic readings of last week,
the manufacturing, the services sector there going backwards, and the
dark days of winter have only just arrived. And that's
before you get to this two part bit of the
economy with farmers booming and everyone else seemingly miserable. Then

(01:14):
GDP zero point eight. I mean that alone would stop
a reserve bank in its tracks. Look, they will say,
plenty of growth and good times there, and our moves
have barely begun to sink in. So the point being,
if July comes and they don't move, and August comes
and they don't move, is it over? And if it's
over is what the banks are currently offering as good
as it gets. The banks are full of noise right now,

(01:35):
reminding us all about how fabulous it is compared to
what it was. I mean, asb say, a one year
fixed right now is two and a half percent lower
than it was eighteen months ago. You half a million bucks.
You're almost one thousand dollars a month better off. It's
a lot of dough twelve and a half thousand dollars
a year. Yes, it's going on your rates and your
insurance and power because they're screwing you, but you can't
argue you're not materially better off. All that's left if

(01:58):
that's the case, is in bank competition as they jostle
for market Cheran. Despite what the Consumers Institute and Niccola
will tell you, there is competition and banks do and
will do deals. But the next trick is if this
is it, this is your new normal, welcome to it.
How do you feel, how do you feel like, I mean,
of these the good times and you want to spend
a bit of money. That is the great economic conundrum,

(02:20):
isn't it. That is the psychology of an economy and
the great potentially saving grace for a government.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
News of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
For a while it looked like we might have winners,
winners everywhere. The Israelis had one.

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Although tenuous, this ceasefire has been accepted and embraced by
the Israelis. The IDF has met all of its objectives.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Yes, the Iranians had won.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
We continued to punish the Israelis until the very last minute.
Assure as this presenter.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
Artash fas now yeah, even though post the soculs is
fire both sides are thought firing off a few last
minute rockets was a good ideas it was uttered destruction,
no walls, the ceiling fell down. Anya says, all the
furniture is gone, everything is on the floor. It's like
a nightmare. But I'm given this as the Middle East.
That was about as good as a gold which which

(03:12):
didn't Mike Donald happy.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
I'm not happy with Israel. You know, when I say, okay,
now you have twelve hours, you don't go out in
the first hour. It just drop everything you have on it.
So I'm not happy with them. We basically have two
countries that have been fighting so long and so hard
that they don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
That at which point he got on the helicopter and
then onto the plane and he's literally just touched down
a knight. Ok, he is already there. Of course, they
have a hopeful the ceasefire does hold.

Speaker 5 (03:40):
That CEASFI creates the space for what needs to happen next,
which is the negotiations to ensure that Iran does not
have the capability develops nuclear weapons.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
But as we say, this is the Middle East, and
this is it is going to be.

Speaker 6 (03:54):
I think somewhat of a problematic actor because Trump's record
insurance as well as compliance with seats, fires, with agreement
and deals hasn't been exactly all bust.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Finally, Bezos wedding update. We held the phone party the
other day on his yacht, but that's not the main news.
Protesters are claiming victory in Venice. He has to swap
venues now he was downtown, but the locals burke Ken
a lot of interest at the airport too, is two
two hundred invited guests. At least a few dozen of
them are going to be arriving on their own planes,
so private jets. We've got a few flash yots. Undoubtedly,

(04:28):
five hotels have been fully booked out. There are rumors
that former US Marines have been him for security. Joe
McKenna is there and it's going to give us the
skinning tomorrow and mentime that his news of the world
in month. Good job us in the UK that Starma
would have been very happy about. Amazon have announced that
they're investing eighty million over the next three years and
new warehouses and upgrading their existing operations. So the government

(04:49):
were all over that. In TikTok they planned to open
a new one hundred and thirty five thousand square foot
office in London as well. So times are good in Britain.
Twelve past six.

Speaker 1 (05:00):
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My News talk.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Sippy fun fact. I didn't know. Heat remains the deadliest
form of extreme weather in America. You think about hurricanes
and tornadoes and stuff, not so it's heat. They got
a heat dome at the moment over the eastern part,
eastern half of the country. It's going to be there
until Philadelphia to Boston. All that one hundred and fifty
million people are under heat alerts. Yesterday in Central Park

(05:28):
ninety six degrees fahrenheit, thirty five degrees hotest stay since
eighteen eighty eight. Fifteen past six. What is Richard Arnold care?
He's out Western California. Were at always sunny? He's with
us in half an hour from jam I Wealth Andrew
Keller her, good.

Speaker 7 (05:42):
Morning, very good morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
How many updates to fletch your building? You want to
give the world that's bad news?

Speaker 8 (05:48):
Oh my gosh, yes, so yeah, bringing it back home
because I mean overnight share markets have rallied Oil's tank.
What Middle East problem like? What is that Middle East
problem anyway. Bringing it back home Fletcher Building, yet going
on under the hood. At Fletcher's they held an invested
day yesterday. Look a fair chunk of what's happening has
already been disclosed to the market, but we got a

(06:09):
lot more detail. We've got a lot more commentary release yesterday.
And look, Fletcher Building is important for the share market.
It's a big it's an important company in New Zealand.
The share price at the end of the day did
fall at eleven cents. It's now below three dollars again,
so it's still a tough hold for shareholders. But what
have we got at Fletcher's. We've got new CEO, new

(06:29):
board chair Peter Crowley. The board has been refreshed, The
executive team looks like it's got some new faces in there.
They are clearing the decks now, we hope. In terms
of provisions and impairments. There's a bunch of legacy issues
there and they're not in consequential issues. But in the presentation,
yes they might. They released a lot of stuff. One

(06:49):
comment stood out for me which said lessons have been learnt,
So this does seem to be We hope an authentic
self review or strategic review looking for their discovers. I mean,
this is sort of a turnaround story. They're talking of
a simplified business going forward, focusing on manufacturing and distribution
of building products and materials. They're not going to pay

(07:10):
any dividends until they meet a prescribed debt, which.

Speaker 7 (07:13):
Is quite a wide.

Speaker 8 (07:14):
Range four hundred million to nine hundred million. They're a
long way above that at the moment. But yes, yesterday,
total significant items to be announced as part of the
financial year twenty five results are expected to be between
five hundred and seventy three and seven hundred and eighty
one million dollars.

Speaker 9 (07:31):
Big numbers, Mike.

Speaker 8 (07:33):
We look forward to the day when we get a
Fletcher Building results that.

Speaker 9 (07:38):
Doesn't have impairments and provisions.

Speaker 8 (07:40):
Yeah, there's a lot of information releasess they're going to
have to work for all that.

Speaker 9 (07:44):
Look, it's been a battle.

Speaker 8 (07:45):
There are still questions around the construction division and what
happens there. But Mike, let's have glasshouse full here. They've
now got a clear plan. We just need to see
evidence that it is being executed.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Well, let's talk about a glass overflowing. Let's talk about
you for a moment, and I cannot tell you how
excited I am for you personally, because you're one of
the nicest guys in the world and you deserve this.
Also Sure and Partners, who have bought you you can
explain this. But Sure and Partners sponsor f One, They
sponsor Feenie and Will Brown, the Triple Eights, and anyone

(08:18):
who's into supercars as a winner in my book. There
you go.

Speaker 8 (08:21):
Yes, So, yes, it's always hard to talking about yourself,
isn't it. Yes, We're gonna have a name change, Mike.
Not immediately, but at some point we will change our
name for Sure and Partners. We announced yesterday that Investment
Services Group, which is the holding company that owns j
my wealth and by way of disclosure, I am a
director and a shareholder there. We've sold seventy five percent
of that business too. Shore and Partners there. They're pre
eminent investment advice and wealth management fund in Australia. Their

(08:45):
presence there, they've got TransTasman ambitions which have now been
realized are they're a boutique investment term firm there. In turn,
they're owned by they run by Global Financial Group EFG International,
they're Swiss based, listed on the Swiss Exchange. They've got
all the results and scope behind there. That business is
about three hundred and thirty billion dollars worth of assets
under management, share and partners thirty five billion of assets

(09:08):
under management. The addition of ISG that'll take that over
forty billion. Look, Mike, it's an absolutely wonderful fit for
j my wealth. We were very keen to ensure that
we had continuity for all of our staff. That was
really important. Continuity of all the senior staff. Sort of
business as usual for our clients, just with sort of
more omph in the background. It's not a private equity transaction.

(09:31):
Everybody is in this for the long term. We're all invigorated,
we're all energized. It's a new name into.

Speaker 9 (09:36):
The New Zealand investment of financial market landscape. Yes, but
you're absolutely right, Mike.

Speaker 8 (09:40):
Key observers, those Key night observers will recognize the brand.
It's on the Supercars, the Red Bull Team, Manly Sea Eagles.
That's going to make the Warriors Sea Eagles games sort
of a little bit more spicy, isn't it new to Grain?

Speaker 9 (09:52):
Heavily involved in giving back to the community.

Speaker 8 (09:54):
We hope to replicate that here. Look, it's sad to
see the j my wealth name retired.

Speaker 7 (09:58):
But change is good, Mike.

Speaker 8 (09:59):
Change is good, and we'll continue to do what we've
always done, which is deliver quality advice to our clients,
putting their interest first with a long term view.

Speaker 9 (10:07):
What does it like, it's investing for generations.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Well warms, congratulations to thank you, you deserve it. What
are the numbers?

Speaker 8 (10:13):
Well, gosh, everything is good sea of green, except for
one little exception, which I'll get to. So the Dow
Jones is up five hundred and six points forty three
thousand and eighty eight one point one nine percent gain. There,
the S and P five hundred over well, it's challenging
all time HIGHS six thousand and ninety six up seventy
one points one point one eight percent, and the Nawstak

(10:34):
soaring nineteen thoy nine hundred and twenty four up two
hundred ninety three points one point five percent. The FOOTS
one hundred just gained one eight seven five eight. The
Nicke was up one point one percent four hundred and
thirty six points thirty eight thousand, seven hundred and ninety
one Shang how compos it up over one percent three
four two oh. The Aussies rallied almost one percent eight
triple five the close the except the poor old z

(10:55):
elects fifty which fell half a percent twelve four hundred sixteen.
Keywi has recovered point six two four against the US
point nine twenty five three Ossie point five one seven
nine euro point four four one seven pounds eighty seven
point one for Japanese and gold three thoy three hundred
and twenty one dollars. And check this, bring it on
Frenk crude sixty seven dollars.

Speaker 10 (11:17):
Love it.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
There you go. You'll be able to get on and
purchase that new VLA. Now that you went there, you go, Yes,
go for the pheav Nice nice to see Andrew klah
JMA will dot toss in zscard Denown by the way,
know New Zealand which is part of DeNoon. You know
the French anyway, lifted their profit this is all part
of the farming story. Lifted their net profit by fifty percent,

(11:37):
so that's encouraging. Full year revenue was up thirty two percent.
They nearly doubled their dibden. They're in one hundred and
twenty different countries, fifty two billion revenue globally, world's fourth
largest dairy producer, second largest infant formula company after Nesle,
of course, so more good news from the land. Six
twenty one. You written News talk.

Speaker 7 (11:54):
Z being.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
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Speaker 2 (12:05):
It'd be It's funny. Andrew rang me a couple of
weeks ago and started talking to me about cars and
wants a rain driver. So I gave him some contacts
and stuff, and the current carry drives. I won't name it,
but he made a mistake when he bought it, and
I told him that at the time. I said, you
don't want to be seen in one of those. Anyways,
finally worked that out, but I figured, given yesterday's news,
he's moving from a Vila surely to a Vogue. Speaking

(12:25):
of success Virgin yesterday, we mentioned this briefly on the show,
only because they floated, only because they're sort of here,
and only because they've gone bust and they were back
and there were bombs falling at the time and airspace
being closed, so you're thinking to yourself, it's a good
time to launch an airline anyway, turned out when Gangbusters
market cap at the end of the day at two
point five eight billion and shot up eleven point four

(12:47):
percent on the day, So they're celebrating as well.

Speaker 11 (12:49):
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House of Vitamins.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Now the Netflix Quarterback Show back for season two. It's
sort of Drive to Survive except for NFL. If you
didn't see, and if you didn't see, you should say
it's brilliant. Kirk Cousens, Marcus Mariota, and Patrick Mahomes with
season one. This year, Cousins is back mainly because he's
the nicest guy in the world and his demeanor transcends
the sport. He really is an uplifting individual. Jereb Goff
is in season two. He's at Detroit these days and

(13:16):
the Bengals Joe Burrow.

Speaker 12 (13:17):
Start out your career, you're like, Okay, I'm gonna be
playing for fifteen twenty years. It seems like a lot.
And then you blink your eye and you're in year five.
Next time I blink my eye is going to be
year ten. Now where we're at the great ones make
it work. We don't want anybody decide this game, but us.

Speaker 13 (13:32):
Had expectations internally or to win a super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Does that making nervous? No, it's fun.

Speaker 13 (13:39):
A lot of people in my formal organization may have
thought I was being cast away, but I saw an
opportunity I had here was special.

Speaker 14 (13:47):
I'd love to be the quarterback at this offense.

Speaker 15 (13:49):
It's just so much fun.

Speaker 13 (13:50):
Yeah, too bad, Tom, You're retired, right. This is what
it feels like to truly be wanted.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
That's baby Goff and the Lions had a good year,
could have should have gone to the super Bowl at
the choked Joe Burrow individually, very very good player, but
he's let down by those around him and then cousins.
He went from the Vikings to the Falcons. He's currently
at the Falcons. Some people say I'll be traded, but
he won't because there's too much money involved. Anyway, less
than two weeks to wait. July eighth, on Netflix, Mike,

(14:22):
did you see this morning? Aaron Rodgers on the Pat
mcavee show. I did. As it turns out, he says
his season quote unquote, He's pretty sure this is that
I don't believe a word that Aaron Rodgers says. Not
to dismiss him because I love him. I think he's
a genius. He's mad, he's crazy, but all geniuses are.
But he lines up for Pittsburgh and it may or
may not be his last season. He's the guy who

(14:43):
spends the off season in the dark, literally goes into
the dark into caves and thinks and contemplates about life.
And I love people like that. He did a very
good documentary which is probably on Netflix as well, which
is well worth watching. Transfer of Wealth in the Rural Sector,
some stunning numbers for you. Right after the new which
is next Eric News Talks.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
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the Mike Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real Estate, doing real
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Speaker 2 (15:12):
All the CEO's fars, all the time. Trump is just
the ribs and NATO. So we'll see. We're at Richard Land, Stateside,
shortly twenty three minutes away from seven very interesting insights
into the rural sector from Rabobanks. So their report looks
into succession and the massive transfer of wealth that is
heading this country's way over the next few years. Over
half our farm and orchard owners are going to reach
retirement age in the next decade. Now, that's one hundred

(15:33):
and fifty billion dollars worth of assets potentially changing hands.
Todd Chatteris is the CEO of Rabobanking as well us
Todd Morning.

Speaker 10 (15:41):
Morning, Mike.

Speaker 7 (15:42):
I am very well.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Indeed, I read the report and what the best line
in its succession is not a moment in time. It's
a process that takes years. I thought that was almost profound.
What you're telling me with the numbers is most people
haven't worked that through and too many people don't have
a plan.

Speaker 16 (15:56):
Yeah, that's yeah, that's what the research is showing. And
we've got about half of the farmers we surveyed actually
haven't thought about it yet, which is a bit of
a concern. But we just need to work through it
because there's a big opportunity here and a big need
for it.

Speaker 2 (16:12):
I guess when you talk about the retirement age, does
it mean in relation to the potential transfer just because
you reach sixty five doesn't mean you want to sell
up or move on or even stop working, does it.

Speaker 16 (16:22):
No. I think that's what we need to put in context,
so we shouldn't actually call it the retirement age, because
there is no official time and age, certainly in farming.
So it's the age of sixty five is what we
were referencing there, and as we know, a lot of
people go on beyond that. But it's essentially handing over
the sort of financial requirements and thinking in that regard

(16:43):
as opposed to actually working in the business.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
I guess, how much do you know about transfer of
land within the family and how much of that's changing
because the world has changed versus any other reason.

Speaker 16 (16:57):
Well, look, I think there's still that emotional tie for
a lot of farming families in New Zealand, and you
know the challenges farms are getting bigger, there's less farm
owners and.

Speaker 10 (17:07):
So that the capital.

Speaker 16 (17:08):
Requirement is a big amount nowadays. So what we're seeing is,
I think, and opportunities around different ownership models. So and
I think that's that's something that we need to continue
to explore because we need to keep that connection with
the land. But does that mean you need to own
it out rights?

Speaker 2 (17:28):
It's a very interesting I'm glad you said that because
I thought that was one of the most interesting parts
of it. You talk about EWI investors and partial investors
and stuff, would many farmers, traditional farmers have even thought
of those options.

Speaker 16 (17:40):
Oh, we think we've seen some really great examples, and
we've highlighted We've highlighted one of those hybrid ownership models
in in their white paper. And I'm not saying that's
the way to go, but it's an option, and I
think people are looking more at options to maintain that
connection and ownership within families, but also bringing in like
minded investors that helps that transition to the next generation.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
How much of it is connection versus just pure ownership,
it's an asset, I'm moving it on.

Speaker 17 (18:06):
Oh.

Speaker 16 (18:06):
Look, I think it's a combination. I think it's a combination,
and there's no one model fits all right, And for
some people and some families, the best option is to
sell up and do other things. But for others, there's
a deep connection and they want to keep that connection
go to the land, And it's just how we facilitate

(18:27):
that is the big challenge.

Speaker 2 (18:29):
Well, I've got you. What's the vibe. I mean, is
there anyone not doing well on the land at the moment?

Speaker 16 (18:34):
Oh, I know, things are pretty good, Mike. There's a
lot of enthusiasm out there. I mean, notwithstanding the challenges
they're going on around the world, but it's a good
place to be at moment and food and aggard, there's no.

Speaker 10 (18:44):
Doubt about it. And the sector's doing really well.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Good stuff. Nice to talk to, you appreciate it. Todd
Chatter Rabobanks, CEO one hundred and fifty billion dollars worth
about sets. There's all some grapes being pulled out at
our place, not at our place literally, but over the
fence the other day and I thought to myself, there's
a change happening in front of it, very eyes, and
it's a sad thing, especially vines, old vines too, And
I thought there'll be a reason that I happen to
know what the reason is. No need to tell you

(19:07):
about it, but I thought there's something emotional about that
when you've been invested in the land for years and
you're looking at old vines going out and the tractors
come and it took a long time to do, it
cost a lot of money to So the next question is,
of course, locally, what happens to the land. Nineteen away
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(20:37):
the New Zealand economy would collapse, Mike without agricultural exports.
Of greater concerns are the erosion of pastoral land, of
carbon credit forestry. I'd agree with that, but I think
the government they claim they're onto it, and the willingness
of the next generations to take over hard work occupation.
I think you're right on that, Don as well. I
watched Country Calendar, a massive high country farm, huge height,

(20:58):
hundreds and and hundreds of hectores, many of which they
put back into natives, which is good. But every time
you see a program like that, they're saying, we love it,
We'll do nothing else. I think maybe you're born to it.

Speaker 11 (21:10):
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peace of mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
To add Richard Arnold morning, good morning making So he
touched down not long ago, great expectation at NATO.

Speaker 18 (21:23):
Set for a victory, lapplied Trump at the summit. There After,
of course, Trump cursed Israel and Iran and pushed for
the ceasefire to take hold. Trump then tag this fighting
as the twelve day war. He loves those names, doesn't
he those nicknames, those marketing efforts. He has made no
secret that he wants a Nobel Peace Prize, just like
Obama and says it was a quote great honor to

(21:46):
stop the war. Sounds like he's already getting ready for
the acceptance speech, and said on his flight to Europe
that he believes he has set aside the Iranian nuclear threats.

Speaker 19 (21:55):
All right, sucker, have a nuclear wapick by the lad I.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Think it's the last thing in their.

Speaker 18 (21:59):
Own Well, it's really going to take a while before
assessments like this can be made that are solid. ADDIEY Blincoln,
the former Secretary of State under Biden, has an opbed
out in the New York Times right now, calling the
US strike a mistake, warning that Iran could rebuild this
nuclear program quickly. Time will tell as to who is
playing who now. It's been It's been turbulent, hasn't it.

(22:20):
The Washington Post is Israel's Nettanno, who decided on war
with Iran last year and then sought to recruit Trump.
Ties between Netaniahu and Trump have been become very intense
in recent hours, as Trump announced in an Israeli Iranian
cease fire with the two Middle Eastern foes trying to
get in some last licks. Cutter was instrumental in arranging

(22:41):
this this deal. Then Iran shot nineteen missiles at the
US base at Al U Daid and Cutter eighteen of
these missiles were intercepted, the other did no damage. The
Iranians let Kunta know the missiles were on the way,
and they told the Americans. So this was more a
face saving response by Iran than much else. Then, in
the final hours, I run here the housing block in
Bisheba and Israel in that last dash, killing four people,

(23:05):
and Israel launched one of their biggest assaults on Tehran itself,
all before the ceasefire deadline. This teed off Trump, as
we've been hearing, he said.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came
out and they dropped a load of Bob's the likes
of which I've never seen before. When I say, okay,
now you have twelve hours, you don't go out in
the first hour, it just drop everything you have on them.
So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with
Iran either well.

Speaker 18 (23:29):
Israel sought to respond to the Ersheba attack, but this
was after the deadline, and then they claimed they intercepted
I Ruani missiles in the north of the country fired
by a run after the ceasefire. Mark Trump then rolled
out that verbal curse on both sides, saying the two
violated the deal and then adding famously, we.

Speaker 4 (23:46):
Basically have two countries that have been fighting so long
and so hard that they don't know what they're doing.

Speaker 18 (23:53):
Yeah, I don't know what the f they're doing. Trump
called NTNYA, who as more Israeli bombers were on route
to Tehran, and we now have some details of that conversation.
Trump told the Israeli leader in direct terms to abort
the mission Latino, who told Trump he could not because
Iran had violated the ceasefire, but at the closed Natano
who said he would scale back the attack from a

(24:13):
dozen targets to one radar site outside of Tehran. So
that's a compromise way Israel, but also a slight repudiation
of Trump, right. President Trump then posted on his own
social media site quote, Israel is not going to attack Iran.
All planes will turn around and head home, while doing
a friendly play wave towards Iran. The ceasefire as it defect,
said Trump, at least for now, all.

Speaker 2 (24:35):
Right, man, catch up. So Richard Arnold state side. Lux's there,
of course and part of a group of four, three
of which you're missing. So he's sort of Nigel Nomades
in that particular part of the world. But I think
it's probably better to be there than not to be there.
Judith Collins, by the way, after seventh thirty this morning
in other matters, but we'll touch on that with her.
By the way, fire up the deportation plane. Supreme Court
came to Trump's aid yesterday allowing him to resume the

(24:57):
quick deportations of certain immigrants to certain country. So he
seems to have cli So the Albania thing, you know,
in the UK and Italy have been looking to do it,
and they've been tied up in courts, and obviously the
Americans have been tied up in courts. But the American
court seems to side with Trump. The liberals on the
Supreme Court said no way, so to my assert I
cannot join. So gross an abuse of the Court's equitable discretion.

(25:19):
But the Tricia McLaughlin, who's the Assistant Deputy Secretary of
Homeland security said, fire up the deportation plane. So that's
a win America. I note another fun fact, for the
first time at least fifty years, it's entirely possible. By
the end of the year, more people will have left
America than a riot. So that tells you something, doesn't it.
And by the way, another fun fact, the Republican Party
at the moment entered June with seventy two million dollars

(25:42):
on hand. This is the build up to midterms next year.
That'll that, my god, that'll be a fascinating one. He's
got next to no majority and if he loses that,
he's lame duck. So they enter the midterms with seventy
two million versus the Democrats at fifteen million, so at
least they got the money.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Ten to seven the Mike Hosty Breakfast with the Defenders.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
That'd be Mike even you'd have to agree Trump's a
force of nature. Yeah, I do. My great sadness with
Trump is that the madness out shines the cleverness, of
which there is much speaking of which, after we got
off the phone, Nittnya, who's hit Israeli television.

Speaker 19 (26:18):
Even that we have tremendous achievements. We are not going
to be complacement. We're going to be the other way around.
We have no intention to remove our from the from
the gas. We're going to going to defeats and bring

(26:40):
back the ostriches and the ogs. I'm saying, we didn't
stop even for a seconds.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
And the outs. It's the fiz with business fiber. Take
your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
Just me or that interpret really should be fearing a
job review, mean, come off. So job market decent news
seek employment report this morning Quarterly Advertised Salary Index for May.
What have we got? We've got job adds down two
percent month on month, eight percent year on year. That's goodish.
The goodish bit about that is it's the slowest decline

(27:16):
in job add volume over the two years, so that's
encouraging a lot of people want what is out there?
Though extremely quote unquote extremely high levels of competition for
these jobs. Applications for job are at a peak again,
up two percent month on month. Three regions have got
lots of jobs comparatively, Taranaki up six percent, Southland up one,
Wellington up two. That's Wellington's first aniel rise in two
and a half years. So go Wellington, Marlborough beigcause month

(27:38):
on month dropped. This is a bit. These will be
noisy numbers for a monthly something will happen, someone will
have closed the door, or something made anyway, month or
month in Marlborough down sixteen went up twenty two in month.
You see what I're saying. You're up, you down, You're
all over the place. Big drops and job ads. Also
in Gisbon down eight, otigo six month or two five
often four sectors that had the most growth. Consulting in strategy,
whatever the hell that is up twenty nine percent, Science

(28:00):
and tech ten. So you know where you're at with science,
aren't you? In consulting and strategy. I'm consulting in strategy
because drops in mining and energy. Shame or fix that
down sixteen percent. Media and advertising. Don't think anyone's going
to fix that down thirteen, Information and comms down fourteen.
Money you want some money? Advertised salary growth is up
zero point six on the quarter, So annualize that out

(28:22):
two point four for the year. You'll take it, won't you.
Year on year it's down still two point four though.
Salary growth North Ireland better than the South Island. Also
outside the major centers. Maybe that's a catchup because I
would have thought the money was in the South Island.
Given all this is happening in the South Island, Auk
from zero point six, Canterby zero point five, Welling from
zero point four, Rest of the North up zero point eight,

(28:44):
Rest of the South zero point eight. Biggest quarterly growth
sector science and tech, real estate, mining and energy annualized
out year on year, Science and tech salaries are up
eight point eight, real estate eight point four, mining and
energy six point three. Only media and advertising, human resources
and recruitment y're on year. Drops told you of the
media stuff.

Speaker 15 (29:03):
So given that I'm the technical.

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Remind no, you're not, do you reckon?

Speaker 15 (29:08):
I could just move things what you.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
Are, mate, It's lucky to be here. Never forget that.
The Westpac McDermott Miller Confidence Survey on employment, which is
separate to what I just gave you, is up zero
point five points to eighty eight point eight. You need
one hundred to be positive. So things are lagging a
little bit in the old job market. But then again,
economically speaking, that's always been the case, hasn't it. Stand

(29:32):
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Speaker 1 (29:33):
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Speaker 2 (29:45):
Togs Head be seven past seven. Well it is the
Middle East after all. The maybe Trump and his voluminous
claims yesterday about pace and c spars was always a
little bit optimistic, multiple claims of breaches already, but there
was a fragile hole that seems as we speak at
the moment. Dr Max Schmidt is the Associate Professor of
National Security at the un visited New Haven and as
well as Matthew Morning to you, Good morning. So we're
seeing a little bit of tip for tet Will it sattle?

(30:07):
Do you think? Orways yesterday a bit of a false dorm.

Speaker 20 (30:11):
No, I think it will settle. I think it's best
to understand Israel's strike on that radar system is a
sort of oh whoa, we forgot this one, or they're
spinning up the radar and we can see it now,
and it's important for us tactically to take it out
just in case.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Where do you reckon Iran?

Speaker 10 (30:31):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Is this a cease file or is this look we've
been bombed badly. We're out of mo from now. We
need to do something, so give us a couple of diyes.

Speaker 15 (30:41):
E.

Speaker 20 (30:41):
Ron's in an interesting position. They have very little to
retaliate with. It's unclear exactly how many ballistic missiles, for instance,
that remain in their inventory. Probably very few, well fewer
than a thousands. At this point. They can't fire everything
because then they have no deterrence. So it's in there
incentive to keep everybody guessing, although I'm pretty sure that

(31:03):
Israel doesn't need to guess that much. So they need
to bring this down for their own sake. And the
regime is sitting here looking at the coming days and
weeks as a question of its own survival.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I'm watching no shortage of people telling me regime change
is a real possibility, has been for some time. This
could be the tipping point. What's your view.

Speaker 20 (31:26):
I think that we are at a point where it's
more likely than it has been since nineteen seventy nine.
I think the default position is still that regime change
is difficult. There are a lot of reasons why the
regime may collapse, but there are not a lot of
people who can stand in place and take over leadership.

(31:47):
The opposition in Iran is fractured, there isn't a clear leader.
Someone could still emerge, but there's a lot of risks
to doing that, and the regime hasn't lost its capacity
to repress citizens. So you know, as long as those
factors are still in play, I think the expectation is
that the regime survives in one form or another.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
From the American point of view, how critical is the
knowledge of the damage they did with the B two's
or are they Is it one and done and they're
out in the meta walk?

Speaker 20 (32:20):
I think the knowledge is important. I think there's more
out there than we know in the public, probably from
the Israelis.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
So you know.

Speaker 20 (32:28):
The other situation here is is the capability exists and
the president's been set to go in and bomb, so
there's no hard reason to go back and do this
today or tomorrow or even this year. It definitely has
set back the program, you know, several years, and so
you can sit back and wait and you can always
take another shot later. I don't see the US coming

(32:48):
in anytime soon.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Appreciate your experctise very much, doctor Matchmidt, SSSI, Professor of
National Security at the University. And you have in the
markets are up and oil is down ten minutes past seven.
I'm trouble in the old school. We've got some new
numbers out this morning. What do we make of them?
Five hundred and twenty six kids were caught bringing weapons
to school last year, which is eighty percent up on
twenty eighteen. So twenty eighteen so seven years. Three hundred
and seventy five of these kids were stood down, forty

(33:11):
were excluded from school. Louise Honore is the principal of
Cantan College, also the president of the Secondary Principal's Association.
Louise Morning, Good morning, Way. So there's two hundred and
thirty one high schools in this country according to chat GPT,
So you've got five hundred and twenty six kids in
two hundred and thirty one schools. Would most schools have
seen an incident of a weapon in some way, shape

(33:33):
or form. Do you think.

Speaker 21 (33:36):
It's really difficult to know. It's difficult to know. That's
from the data as well. I can speak from my
own experience, Like over the thirty years in education, I've
come across a few situations when a child has bought
a weapon into school. There hasn't been intent to use it,

(33:57):
you know, So my hunches is that it's more about
out possession of rather than attempt to use. But we
just don't notice from the data, mate.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Do we have basic what's a weapon? I mean as
a stick, a weapon versus a BB gun, versus a knife,
all of the above.

Speaker 21 (34:14):
So really it's about if it's just if it's been
used to cause harm, and it could be a range
of things, but again I would think it would be
more around the ones that you've just mentioned.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
I was going to ask, is it I mean the
way that schools deal with it. If a kid brings
a BB gun and go, oh, look, it's my birthday.
I brought my BB gun, It's like, is that even
a thing? It's like the kids bringing his birthday present.
I brought it. I took a knife, Louise to school
when I was a kid, right because my grandparents gave
me a knife and I took it to school. Guys said,
look of a knife. I wasn't going to do anything

(34:52):
with it. But it's like, you know, has anything changed exactly?

Speaker 21 (34:55):
And I think that's what we're talking about here. But again,
we really to get more detailed to make sense of
the data. But in my experience that the situations I've
come across, it's been situations like that. He hasn't been intent,
but I've still taken it really seriously in those contexts
because it's important to get there's the message out that

(35:18):
that can cause harm and to take a real strong
stance on it just because of the risk involved. There
is an intent, but in the worst case scenario, it
can cause serious harm to our young people.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Nice to talk to you, Louise go Well Louise Anau
who is the Union principle but also she works at
Kaitaia at the Union head and works at kay Tier College.
Thirteen minutes past seven pasking what my lunch with Andrew
callaher the ongoing bit for the year. I said, he's
claiming seven Let's say he's right. So he sold his
company yesterday and so he's a happy man. So I

(35:54):
want to I want to join in that joy, he claims.
I said seven percent. I said seven percent growth of
houses this year. As I sit here this late June morning,
I am in deep fear that I'm losing this bet.
And B and Z came out yesterday with a readjustment
of their housing forecast for the year. They thought five
to seven, so even at seven, I was optimistic. According
to BMZ they're now down to two to four, so

(36:19):
I guess I'm paying but that's okay, But I'd like
the housing market to grow just a little bit more
ADHD more. Shortly fourteen past.

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Speaker 2 (36:33):
I've still got the knife, by the way, all these
years later, treat No, I hadn't brought it into work,
but I could. If you want to see it, I'll
show you my knife, Mike. Those stats are indicative of
an eighty percent increase in narks seventeen past seven right
from early next year. GP is going to be able
to help you with the ADHD trouble until now as
you need a psych and give them the runt. Enough

(36:54):
of them. There's a backlog. So Doctor Luke Bradford is
the medical Director of the Royal College of GPS and
is with us. Luke morning to you.

Speaker 10 (37:01):
Morning, Mike.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Good move.

Speaker 14 (37:03):
Yeah, we believe it is. It will help people access
diagnosis and treatment, make it quicker and more affordable.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
How realistic was the psyche in the process anyway, or
was it more a box ticking exercise by somebody perceived
to be higher up the latter.

Speaker 14 (37:19):
No, it got brought in in the nineteen nineties because
of a fear that the stimulants were being diverted and
abused as a street drug, which has been shown not
to be the case. It is quite a complicated diagnosis.
It takes sort of upwards of an hour to get
through the whole process, So that's where it's sort of
sat with psychiatry.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Are the gps able to do it and do it comfortably?

Speaker 14 (37:39):
So we're it will be under sort of a specialist
interest type GP, so it'll be a particular appointment. It
will be a much longer appointment, and these gps will
have to upskill do some training courses, much the same
way as if you went to see a GP to
have a skin can to removed. It would been a
gpu'd up skill to do that.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Right. Are we finally getting to this because there was
movement around the x IS to certain drugs, there's now
this change coming. Are we finally dealing with ADHD in
a way we probably should have been for quite a while.

Speaker 10 (38:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (38:09):
I think there's a lot more awareness of where it
is in society and probably the harm its cause, and
we see it through corrections massively and through MSD stats,
but it's been underdiagnosed and undermanaged, especially in some groups.
I think there probably is a bit of a danger,
but it's also become a bit stady through the TikTok
type generation, and we just have to make sure that

(38:30):
the assessment process is really rigorous for that good stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
Go well, look, appreciate it. Look. Bradford, who's Royal and
New Zealand College of General Practitioners a note ironically in
referencing the business of We were a bit worried that
certain things would happen to the drugs. We're a bit
worried about pseudoefidrine too, weren't we, Until well, suddenly you
can get it now. And Simming and Brown was in
the house on it yesterday and David Seymour was making
jokes about it, and if you have no idea what
I'm talking about, it was moderately funny, which brings us

(38:54):
to the performance of David Seymour as the fill and
Prime Minister yesterday, as covered by All Young who's done
one of her famous scores and scores them very well.
I saw it, she saw it. Do we agree more
shortly nineteen pass.

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three question for you is Shane Jones showing the Treaty
Minister Paul Goldsmith how to run his own portfolio. So Goldsmith,

(40:21):
in response to Jones and his members bill on the
never ending Napooy drama, says the protest process can't go
on forever, which is the same basically as saying nothing,
because clearly it is and Goldsmith clearly has no plan.
The Jones bill that we talked about on the program
this time yesterday clever because my sense of it is
there is so much in fighting in the north of
the country they will be out. They're just out of sheer,

(40:42):
bloody mindedness. They'll never strike a deal. All the logic
that we heard yesterday about tribes that have cut deals
and invested billions and seen the endless benefits will have
missed their mark. In Northland. Given a lot of napoo,
we aren't interested in a deal. They thrive on descent
and division and permanent anger and grievance. Jim Bold, who
I know in the past few weeks as he celebrated
his ninetieth is still prone to the odd piece of

(41:05):
public commentary. Might like to have pondered his own role
in this many many, many years ago when they started
to put a few road markers around time frames. Now,
the idea, if you went around at the time, you
can't remember. The idea was they would set a date
to file your claim, remembering even in Boldes's day, the
wait Tangi Tribunal had been going since the seventies for
goodness sake, and once you filed that claim they would
impose another deadline to get it all wrapped up. Good idea,

(41:28):
but it went nowhere because Bolgier and co. Got sucked
into the idea. This was unfair, It was rushed, It
was history. What wasn't set out loud, of course, is
this was a gravy train that could go on literally forever,
and people were going to make a living out of it.
As Jones revealed yesterday, twenty million dollars for Nia Napooi alone,
just for lunch in chats and airfares. Do remember nineteen

(41:49):
seventy five, the start of the wait Tangi Tribunal was
a good will gesture, the tribunal, the settlement of grievances
was entered into not because anyone had to, but because
it was the right thing to do. It was driven
by goodwill. I would have thought it was fairly obvious,
and the vast array of deals to be done and
the apologies to be made like life. Some would embrace
it and run with it. Some would be unable to

(42:10):
get out of their own way. What was needed but
was missing still is Jones aside, was leadership, the setting
of the boundaries, the explanation of the rules and expectations.
And because that was missing, so I was twenty million
on lunch and still no deal.

Speaker 1 (42:27):
Pasking.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
So Audrey Young, the fabulous Audery Young this morning rates
and Prime Minister David Seymour, not deputy well deputy prime Minister,
but fill and prime Minister. She gives him a rating
for question time yesterday. It was his first question time
as the fill in prime Minister. He got a seven.
I probably would have gone to an eight, but I
am just generous like that, and Audrey is hard so

(42:48):
anyway seven or eight, but we broadly agree. Switched seamlessly,
she says, writing in the Herald this morning, switched seamlessly
from one subject to another, wit as quick as longie
pair of fangs, as mean as Muldoon Middle Least regulatory
standards Bill Napooe settlement, cost of living, Cork Island's agreement
with China, comments made in the UK about smokers and smoking.
Laurie dealt with it all. It's very very good. I

(43:09):
thought he was very good, very measured, moderately funny every
now and again. The Simian line that I referenced to
a moment ago very clever. She also writes his press
conference Monday, which I happened to watch as well. So
Audrey and I are the two saddest people in the country,
but nevertheless we enjoy ourselves and we're happy in our
own skin. She gave him an eight. I gave it
at least an eight. He was good humored about it.

(43:29):
The media were trying to get him. Their question line
was interesting in that needle needle needle log you told
say something random kind of way didn't fall for it.
I note there's a couple of people in the gallery
who I will not name, because once again I'm a
nice guy, who were desperate to get a few questions
and and David deliberately, I'm almost certain, deliberately ignored them
so he didn't have to roll his eyes and go,

(43:49):
you're a dickhead, stop asking silly questions. So they didn't
get a question. But overall, I think as a prime minister,
now here's my take, I can see this is a
very blessed government in terms of ten Helen Peters has
got natural institutional history, legacy, and a sense of awareness
about him that makes him a valued member. Seymour's exceedingly bright,

(44:12):
although slightly wonkish at times, and that's why Luxon isn't
seen in the light he should be, because Luxon against
those two doesn't look that flash. Hence the Poles tell
you the story. I like lux and Luxon is better
than some people perceive him to be. But when you
compare the three together, you can see why he's got
some of the problems he has. News in a couple
of moments, and speaking of leaders and former leaders, Judith

(44:33):
Collins as the Public Services Ministers.

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be look yet.

Speaker 2 (44:47):
Time, I'll come back to it. I meant to do
it yesterday. I didn't even have time then. But anyway,
and on Monday in Austin, Texas, Teesler launched their driver's car. Now,
the driver's car industry is a cataclysmic cockup at the moment,
because there's no shortage of people who have given it
a go, and no shortage of people who have fallen over.
And I'll give you some of their names and numbers
around it later on. But Tesla started on Monday. That's

(45:10):
what I was going to tell you until yesterday when
it fell apart in the most spectacular fashion. It was
a complete and utter bust. And the irony of it
being Elon's been spreaking this for a decade and Monday
was the day. And Monday could not have gone worse
for him. But more shortly, twenty three minutes away from
eight teach now we're back, sadly into the vext and

(45:33):
nasty world of public paying negotiations as the primary teachers
are heading to the negotiating table when the nz EI
says it will get paid back for the pay equity
cuts apparently, Judith Collins is, of course, the Minister for
Public Service and is well, it's very good morning to you.

Speaker 17 (45:48):
Oh good morning mate.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Is this the big pay equity test? Is this what
this is shaping up to be?

Speaker 17 (45:54):
Well, I think the unions were making it very clear
well before the issues came back on to the agenda
that they were pretty much going to make life very
difficult for the New Zealand taxpayer and the government. And
we expect that there will be quite a lot of
strike action, but we're hoping that some common sense will

(46:17):
come through because you know, the primary school teachers you
just mentioned, with eight years experience, I'm told they can
earn one hundred and fifteen thousand compluting experience allowances, and
of course it's for twelve weeks each year when the
schools are closed, so you know it's not bad.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
It is bad. Glad you're moving the numbers because a
couple of the numbers I've learned of late as nurses
in this country earn well into six figures and teachers
do too. And I'm not sure there as many New
Zealanders as much as we love teachers and we do
that would go. I'll tell you what, that's good money.

Speaker 17 (46:51):
Well, nurse today for six years and more experienced one
hundred and twenty thousand, one hundred and twenty nine obviously
includes allowances over time peneral rates, but a lot of
people in their sole businesses or so traders, they don't
get anything for allowances over time penal rates. So I
think it's a pretty good salary, and I think what

(47:12):
it does say is that nurses are very much respected
by the not in the government, by New Zealander.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
As far as the teacher numbers are concerned, and we
had Erica Stanford on big boom in numbers. Does the
fact that we're not desperately short of teachers anymore partially
negate that argument as well?

Speaker 17 (47:32):
Yes, so, because what I think we've found is that
over the years it's very easy to have a mentor
out there such as no, nurses deserve more or teachers
wonderful and let's all pay them more, but without any
facts being there. But it is really clear when you
look at it, that these are good salaries for professional
people who are trying to do their best in their work,

(47:53):
and I think that they are. I mean, look when
they see school principles up to two hundred ninety thousand
a year and twelve weeks every year when the schools
are closed. No, it's not there.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Yeah, exactly, Well keep preaching that message. Would you rather
be talking about pay negotiations or space or the military?
Where's that hurk by the way? And is it moving
now that some of the airspace might be opening up
a bit?

Speaker 17 (48:14):
Yeah, So despite the trolls on social media, just remember
that the circus is one year old. It's moving through
It goes from a certain bases to certain bases, and
it has to operate like that because these are not
airline flights. They're not the one These a hercules the

(48:36):
military pain so they do take it a while to
get there, but they're going well, and giveyone's happy.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
Are we going to be getting a lot of New
Zealanders out? And when is that happening? Do we know
yet or not?

Speaker 22 (48:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 17 (48:48):
Well there's been told multiple times now, haven't they over
the months to get the hell out of places like
Iran and as well? And of course people are going
to need to get themselves to borders unless airspace opens up.
So there's some hope some airspace. But if people think
we're going to be taking a hercules into Iran. At

(49:09):
the moment, they'd be group. They'd be dreaming, wouldn't they.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
They would be all right, nice to talk to you.
To appreciate it very much. Due to Collins Public Services
Minister with a breaking diversion into defense, they're nineteen minutes
away from eight task. Mike Teeslas shares are up fourteen
percent since Monday. Yeah, let me come back to that.
That's the madness of it. As soon as Elon said, hey,
we're going to Austin, Texas, all the idiots yet again
got sucked and went Oh, Elon said something really interesting.

(49:34):
I'll put some of my money into it, only for
the cars to drive off the road. So, Mike and
your economic prices or in your economy prices going up
as bad. Unless it's houses, then it's good, Steve, Yes,
because price is going up if you have to pay
more for example, because it's it's demand and supply. You
don't want house prices going up if you're not building
enough houses. I'll grant you that. But equally, you don't

(49:54):
want to be paying more rates just for the sake
of it. Why are you paying more rates You're getting
something more for it. No, you're not just bunch of
councilors sat around the table, so you can give me
more money. No real reason for it was a house.
It's on demand. You might want a better area, better
school zone, more desirable, you know. So there's nothing wrong
with house prices going.

Speaker 15 (50:11):
And it's not just houses. You like it when cheese
gets expensive.

Speaker 9 (50:13):
I like it that wool.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
That's my Jenny Anderson opening question, because yet again I
don't want to give too many secrets a way about politics. Wednesday,
because yet again, let me ask you this question partly
this one before Ginny turns up yet again. Yesterday, Chris
Hepkin stands up in the House and as part of
question time, he asks the fill and Prime Minister David
Seymour about the cost of living crisis that's been brought

(50:35):
about by this government because of the price of butter.
Now they're not they're two completely separate things.

Speaker 10 (50:41):
Now.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Is he just trying that on hoping you and I
are thick? Or is he thick and he doesn't actually
understand what he's asking? Seventeen to two.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
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Speaker 2 (50:57):
It be Mike as a teacher. I mean being in
a data now. But let's let me give you a flavor.
As a teacher, after eight years in the job, you
can be paid one hundred and two thousand teacher salary
start in the sixties. It takes out years to get
to over one hundred thousand. Will you say that in
a negative way? Think about eight years when's a teacher
graduate twenty nineteen, twenty twenty one. By the time you're thirty,
you're on a six figure salary. I mean, it's not bad, Mike.

(51:19):
People will turn on teachers and nurses very quickly if
the unions don't pull their heads. And while they're not
going to, but there is a point in time where
as much and they run on emotion. Judith is right.
Everybody wants a good teacher to be paid more. I've
argued my entire life that we should be running the
teaching system just like every other job or most other jobs,
and that is, if you're a good teacher, you get

(51:40):
paid more than the dud teacher. And don't tell me
there aren't dud teachers. And don't tell me there aren't
good teachers, because there are. And when you have five
kids and you put them through the education system. You
know that every parent knows that. But if the unions
are going to insist that every teacher gets paid the
same as long as they've been in the classroom mixed
number of years, then this is the system you're going
to end up with. Right Austin, Texas, just by by

(52:01):
a background drivers Car's Cruise now defunct. That was the
business of General Motors, grunted its fleet in late twenty three,
operating license suspended in California. Uber ceased testing self driving
vehicles after one of its subs struck and killed the
pedestrian an Arizona. In twenty eighteen, company agreed to sell
itself driving business wai Mo, owned by Alphabet, scaling up

(52:24):
throughout the partnership with Uber. Amazon's Zooks is testing at
the moment. Basically, they're all in Texas because the laws
are hirly loos in Texas. You can carry a gun,
you can have a car with no driver. That's how
Texas works, so fewer restrictions anyway, So it was all
on Austin, Texas Monday. Unfortunately, after day number one, the NHTSA,

(52:46):
the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, had seen a few
videos on the social media, and they rang mister Elon.
They said, mister Elon, just wondering if you couldn't supply
us with a few details. Driving in a chaotic manner
on public roads was the overarching theme of what happened
on Monday. Car spotted traveling the wrong way down a
road wrong way. Do remember, by the way, these were

(53:08):
all Tesla model wise, there was a person in there,
not just a passenger, but a person in the front
passenger seat for safety. So I don't know what the
person placed there by Tesla did as the car was
driving down the wrong way, but they clearly did nothing.
Another was shown to be breaking hard in the middle
of traffic responding to a quote unquote stationary police vehicle

(53:32):
outside its driving path. So in other words, it saw
a police car and just slammed on the brakes and
so this went on. So they need a word with
Tesla and the whole things, you know, day one falling
apart at a rate of knots. Briefly, Mike, in reflection,
it appears that the media frenzy eighteen months ago calling
the government a coalition of chaos has been debunked. It
seems to be very stable and working collaboratively. It's a

(53:55):
fair point, Mike, as you commented, the current government lineup
is blessed with talent. However, luck how is it we're
still calling him Luxton? I mean, for God's sake, really
has just has that annoying wishy washy look and vibe
about him. Now can I say I've got no time
for that view at all. If that's how you're viewing
a prime minister, you're wasting your time. But I respect

(54:18):
your view because in a democracy your views as important
as mine. So if you want to judge a government
on a wishy washiness vibe, then your votes as valuable
as mine. And in there, and in that lies the conundrum.
I think. Turn away from eight the Mike.

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to you.

Speaker 14 (54:55):
Good morning, Mike, Good morning.

Speaker 2 (54:57):
Twenty percent waste, So you take it and that currently
goes weird to landfill or stock feed or whatever.

Speaker 22 (55:05):
Yeah, it depends on the it depends on the product.
But definitely onions, especially in poker Coe, there's not a
lot of optionality for onions for stop feed, so most
of it either does go to landfill and actually some
still does end up in stock feed. But it's but
it's a real problem and a real opportunity for for growers.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Can you put the same thing in? Can you put
anything in like onions and apples and pears and it
turns out to be the same thing or as an individual?

Speaker 22 (55:38):
No, No, the process is agnostic. So we've we've developed
something that's very flexible, very agile, and with a bit
of upstream process in or pre process in, we can
we can manufacture powders and juice concentrates from pretty much
any fruit and vegetable that's surflaus al waste.

Speaker 9 (55:55):
Is this a machine, it's well.

Speaker 22 (55:58):
It's a combination of machines that's set up it as
a process which which creates a very high throughput lean
process which which maximize all of the value from from
what would have been waste.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
The reason I'm asking about the machines is on assuming
you need to do it regionally because you don't want
to just take your rubbish onions and have to ship
them somewhere. So if you sit up regionally, it's all localized.
Does that make s correct? Right?

Speaker 15 (56:25):
Correct?

Speaker 14 (56:26):
Absolutely?

Speaker 10 (56:26):
So.

Speaker 22 (56:27):
You know we've we've used Lean thinking on that, and
that's that's basically minimizing transport. You know a lot of
Lean consultants talk about tim woods, transport imagery, motion weighting
of a production, overproussing, defects, and wasted skills. This project
addresses all of those and and creates local jobs and

(56:48):
with the lowest amount of energy and transport.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
What I like is you take something that was going
to the landfall anyway, your process and once you processed,
it's worth roughly on average five bucks a kilo. So
you've invented something from nothing, essentially, haven't you.

Speaker 14 (57:03):
That's what yes.

Speaker 22 (57:04):
Essentially, what we're doing is we've recognized that there's a
that we're a net importer of, let's say, onion powders.
We've worked with ent T on this access their databases
and New Zealand imports over a thousand tons of onion
powder which goes into things like Magi oursuit mixes, et cetera.

(57:26):
And yet we're basically a net exporter of fresh produce,
but a net importer of dried produce. What we're doing
is a left handy right hand opportunity where we can
actually take take the waste and sub partially substitute or
holy substitute what's been currently imported from overseas from markets
that you know are you know, vulnerable to disruption, let's say,

(57:49):
is a great opportunity for growers.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Do you have to do a capital rise? How have
you done it?

Speaker 7 (57:53):
Yes?

Speaker 22 (57:54):
So initially we we worked with one really great strategic
grower in in Pocket Coe and we applied for funding
from through the Waste Minimization Fund and was successful. But
as you know, Mike with with with the pressures on
growers at the morning, pressures on everyone with a with

(58:15):
a co funding model, it still needs funds from from
growers to actually match that. And that's kind of where
we're stuck, is that, you know, growers are tapped out,
and you know, it's it's it's it's a problem, but
it's also an opportunity. And if we work together on
this attract the right levels of investors. We can even

(58:36):
go back and actually to get some co funding from
the government because they're changing some of the rules still
within well trade organization regulations that will make it easy
to unlock the capital that we need.

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(01:00:12):
time for politics Wednesday. Mark Mitchell's with Us Alone with
Jenny Anderson. Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning morning,
good morning. You're back in the You're back in the country, Mark,
or you're a brnoff bone.

Speaker 7 (01:00:23):
Still no beck on Foe beckon the country.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Good on you. I read a very do a piece
from Radio New Zealand yesterday and I don't know why
I keep going to their website, but it said mixed
report on the Chinese trip, and I read through and
they had one bloke who was commenting on the Chinese
university saying that Chinese universities are better than New Zealand.
Why would I send to Chinese kids in New Zealand?
And I thought, I don't know who he was, because

(01:00:47):
a lot of Chinese sent their kids to New Zealand.
And the other person that quoted was Robert mccallach, who's
that economist at Aukin University. I thought he's been broadly
speaking discredited. So I don't know. Was it a good
trip or not.

Speaker 7 (01:01:00):
Yeah, it was a great trip. It was outstanding.

Speaker 23 (01:01:01):
I mean we met the Prime Minister, met with the President,
with the Premiere and with the chairman of the Standing Committee,
so probably the three most powerful people in China.

Speaker 7 (01:01:10):
They were brilliant hosts.

Speaker 23 (01:01:12):
Our business delegation was extremely pleased with the amount of
access that they had because having the Prime Minister there,
all of the big end of town and the partners
come out and want to engage, which is really good for.

Speaker 7 (01:01:23):
Us as a country. They were our biggest trading partner.

Speaker 23 (01:01:26):
There was an education agreement signed with one of the universities,
and yes, Chinese students do want to come to New
Zealand exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Jenny. Other topic, why does Chris Hopkins This is not political.
I just wanted genuine sort of thinking as to how
you guys put your questions together in question in time.
So yesterday Hopkins is busy quizzing Seymour about the price
of butter, somehow inferring the price of butter as part
of the cost of living, which I suppose technically it is.
But does he ask the question knowing that we know

(01:01:56):
why the price of butter is the way it is
and it's not a result of the government anything to
do with the government, or is he just trying it on.

Speaker 24 (01:02:04):
Well, it's not just butter, it's meat, it's fruit, and
VGs breeds up over twenty percent, So I think what
he's exactly doing is talking to New Zealanders who are
struggling to pay for their food bills, but.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
With a view economically too.

Speaker 24 (01:02:18):
And the government promised to be laser focused on bringing
down the cost of living, and it's still has not happened.

Speaker 2 (01:02:24):
For Kiwi's right, it's.

Speaker 23 (01:02:27):
Obviously the cost of lilies come down, and inflation has
come down and interestrates are coming down.

Speaker 24 (01:02:31):
It might be in case someone who's got eight properties,
but for the average Kiwi who's struggling to pay for stuff,
it has not come down. But I'm not feeling Jenny.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
You you surely under this is what I'm trying to
get to. You understand why butter is bred you none
of that's to do with the government, and you know that.
Don't you get it?

Speaker 7 (01:02:51):
They don't get it.

Speaker 23 (01:02:52):
Although good at is putting interest rates up, massive increase inflation.

Speaker 24 (01:02:57):
Can I just stop there for a minute.

Speaker 7 (01:02:58):
You weren't talking about that. We're talking about that.

Speaker 24 (01:03:01):
Let's talk about that for a minute, Mike, Because we
had when National were in opposition and we had issues
such as the war in Ukraine that was driving up
global prices and international pressures that was putting up inflation.
National pointed the finger and said that that was domestic
that was doing us and they still trying.

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
If they said that, then they were but naturally finished.

Speaker 4 (01:03:20):
Pla.

Speaker 24 (01:03:20):
I just like now. But now when these global pressures
are gained, such as a war going on between what's
happening in the Middle East, now that's global pressure. So
you can't have.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
I'm just trying to get this out. So you honestly
believe hand on heart that the price of butter is
something to do with the war and not the fact
that the world wants our butter is prepared to pay
a lot of money for our butter, and therefore that's
a good thing, as much as we may angst about
paying for it.

Speaker 24 (01:03:47):
Domestically, it is still an issue for New Zealanders who's
wages have not kept up with inflation, and that is
the government's fault. The wage increase on the minimum wage
has not kept up with inflation, so people do not
have enough money in their pocket to pay for the part.

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Hardly any ones on the minimum wage techniquely hardly any one.

Speaker 24 (01:04:08):
There is a lot of people in the minimum way.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
How many people are what percentage of the workforces on
the minimum wage?

Speaker 24 (01:04:12):
A lot of people who are working hours each week
are struggling on those on those on that money to
be able to afford food, and a lot of them
will be your listeners.

Speaker 23 (01:04:22):
So just on the cost of living, Mike, we had
six years of a labor government where interest rates sword
cost of living went through the roof. And by the way, Jenny,
you have to understand that, yes, there will be international
pressures that put pressure on our economy, there's no doubt
about that. But there's a whole lot of leavers that
the government have that are domestic leavers that can help

(01:04:42):
relief relieve their pressure. And you guys, instead of using
those levers, went out and spent light drunken sailors and
buy more money.

Speaker 7 (01:04:50):
You put more pressure on it. And that is the point.

Speaker 24 (01:04:53):
So I'd like to respond to that if I could. So,
what this government has done is it fired a lot
of people, laid them off. It canceiled a whole bunch
of construction projects, with fifteen thousand construction workers losing their jobs.
And now that's what st that's what's caused stopping abroad.

Speaker 2 (01:05:12):
There no no just hold on, just hold on, just
hold on. I'm going to go the break here, because
what's interesting about that is, I mean, Ginny, you're completely
and utterly wrong. However, the population might be on your
side because mark the IPSOS poll on issues, and I'll
get you to comment on this right after the break.
Is national are in charge of according to the population
of New Zealand, are best suited to deal with three

(01:05:34):
of twenty. So, in other words, on the other seventeen
labor beat you. So I'll ask you why.

Speaker 25 (01:05:39):
Thirteen past the Mike Hosking Breakfast Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio powered by News Talks EPI sixteen past eight Politics Wednesday,
right Mark, So seventeen out of twenty issues ipsos rightly
or wrongly, doesn't matter, that's how people feel.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
How do you explain it?

Speaker 23 (01:05:57):
I think we're just we're leading through a very difficulty recovery,
but we're definitely on the right track. But I think
the reality of it is that people aren't fully feeling that.
We totally understand and we totally get that. You know
that there's an old saying in life, for anything worth having,
you got to fight hard for it. It's not easy.
We're fighting really hard to get our economic recovery back,

(01:06:18):
We're fighting really hard to get our education world class again,
working and fighting really hard to make ourselves the safest
country in the world and to have a world class
health system. And I think we're moving in the right direction.
I think fundamentally key with sense that we are actually
working hard and making progress on it. But they're not fit,
certainly around the economy, which is really tough. But I

(01:06:38):
think we're starting to see some real signs of recovery,
they're not actually fundamentally feeling it.

Speaker 7 (01:06:43):
And I think the.

Speaker 23 (01:06:44):
Other thing is is that you know there's higher expectations
around the National government, and that's fear and that's good
and we like the challenge. There's low expectations around a
Labor government on the economy because they normally trash it
and we have to come in and clean it up.
That's our political cycle. Labour has not come forward with
one economic policy, the Green said, but I think when

(01:07:09):
later it's marks minute with policies, then I think they'll
start the serial contrast.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
Let me ask you that, let me flip it. Let
me ask you this the Golden visas. There's a tangible
sign of success this week one hundred and eighty something
applications eight hundred million dollars worth of business coming our way.
Could you should you have done something like that?

Speaker 24 (01:07:28):
Look, those things are always important to see where that
investment is going into our economy and if it's jobs
and sustainable changible benefits for New Zealanders, of course we'll
always take a good look at that. But I think
the point that when you're getting back to your IPSOCE
poll is that National campaigned hard on getting New Zealand
back on track and Marx just admitted to it. Kiwis

(01:07:49):
don't feel like we're back on track, And one example
would be the tax cuts.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
They get quite night, say that we don't think it's
on the right track at the moment.

Speaker 23 (01:08:02):
Well, are feeling the economic recovery yet?

Speaker 24 (01:08:06):
Okay, so they're not feeling it. So two point nine
billion dollars that was meant to give downward pressure on rents,
that was meant to give.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
People to rints down.

Speaker 24 (01:08:16):
Well, people aren't feeling more.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
Does they are down? You can't argue with the fact
that rents are down on average twenty dollars a week.

Speaker 23 (01:08:22):
It's just it's yeah, it takes a wall when you
come through, and I think that people are finishing.

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
Yea, But Ginny, I got I've got a fact check
when say, when you talk about downward pressure on rents,
rents are down statement of fact correct.

Speaker 24 (01:08:36):
No, I don't think they are. Well, I don't think
it's people who feel bad are not because there's no
money at the end of the week. And you on
your show, who talk it, Well, if someone who has
got eight properties is telling someone that they've got lots
of money in their policy, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
Trying to try. I'm trying to walk a line here, Jenny.
But if you're going to argue with us simply for
the sake of arguing when rents are down. Rents are down.
It's a statistical fact. It's not a political statement. It's
the statistical fact rents are down.

Speaker 24 (01:09:06):
Well, I've seen reports where they're not down for other
what reports that there has not been a significant decrease
to the point where people are feeling it.

Speaker 17 (01:09:17):
And you can talk without.

Speaker 7 (01:09:19):
What reports he is seeing that saying rents aren't down.

Speaker 24 (01:09:22):
I thought that there was reports out recently. I will
go back and find the fourteen that there has not
been a significant shift in the cost of rents. They're
still high and people don't or eight.

Speaker 7 (01:09:33):
Hundred dollars under your government. They're down under this government.

Speaker 24 (01:09:38):
Listeners listening to this radio know the truth. Their rents
have not come down.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
Five point eight percent, by the way, of people are
on minimum wage, so ninety four point two percent of
people aren't on the minimum wage. Ginny quickly scored David
Seymour as Prime Minister in question time yesterday, Audrey Young
gave them seven two. Seymour, Prime Minister in the house,
you were there all right, people feeling what about Mark?

Speaker 10 (01:10:03):
What you score?

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
What are you scoring?

Speaker 7 (01:10:07):
I'm going to stick with you to give them a night.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Okay, right, Nice to see you guys, Ginny Anderson, Mark Mitchell,
It's say twenty one the.

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I mean, yet, these guys have got to stop. And

(01:11:22):
when I say these guys, the Labor Party have got
to stop arguing for the sake of arguing. There's nothing
wrong with the exchange of ideas and we can all
agree to disagree. But facts are facts. This is the
statistics department. If you want to abolish this, just basically
run the economy on vibes, no problem, do it. But
given you didn't and we do have a stats department,

(01:11:42):
how about we just look at the stats and deal
with those and the whole They're not down, yes they are, No,
they're not. What a waste of time. Don't waste my
time and I get up at two thirty in the
morning to come and do the show to listen to
that sort of crap. They got to be better, be
better labor in general, which brings me to Cameron Bagriy.
And if you caught out on the facts, say you

(01:12:04):
caught out on the facts, don't go if any it
it's not an argument. I hope the campaign of next
year is not going to be like that, but it
does come back to my earlier point, and in democracy,
everyone's allowed to think the way they want to and
those votes are valid. And so if you thought and
listen to that from Jenny, you thought, my god, yea

(01:12:24):
absolutely more where that came from? Please, then you're entitled
that and that's your vote, and your votes is as
valuable as minor marks or anybody else that's listening to
this program. A huge mood swing. Cameron Bagrael'll come to
this in more detail, but he wrote a very good
piece on Business Test and this may go to where
the problem is. Anecdotally, he writes, I'm getting more questions

(01:12:45):
on the potential for a change of government. There is
growing nervousness, real concern is not just with possible change
but the potential government make so he refers there, of course,
to Labor, the Mari Party and the Greens, and he's
right on both counts. One you've got to look at
the mix and the potential mix, and there are going
to be some serious questions for the Labour Party around
their mates and the Greens, particularly the Marray Party but

(01:13:07):
also anecdotally he's correct, because I get the same thing.
A lot of people are going, I don't know that
this lot here currently running the place are doing enough
for this not to be a genuine contest next year,
and not only to not be a genuine contest, but
that actually maybe get tipped up after one term. So
more to come shortly.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
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Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
It just wrap up on the Cameron bagger. You can
read the whole thing in the business desk if you've
got access to it, because it's a very good reader,
very good insight into what's going on I think in
the country at the moment. And he starts with the
ipsos thing about the issues, the top twenty issues, a
huge mood swing, he calls it huge mood swing. When
he read that, he went, wow, his words, not mine. Wow.
Go back to the last election National We're in charge

(01:14:00):
debate of the top ten issues, eight of ten, fifteen
of twenty in the last election. Suddenly it's just a
couple so something material has changed in people's minds. Points
the obvious out and that is that Labor don't have
any policy. Having no policy appears to be the popular policy.
That's the part I couldn't understand about the poll. How
do you think Labour is so good at all these

(01:14:21):
different areas given they don't have policies on any of
them unless you're going back to what they were doing
for the country twenty twenty through twenty twenty three when
most of it was a disaster. Statement of fact, having
no policy appears to be the popular policy or viewed
as a better policy now, which is the weird thing
about it. But I repeat anecdotally. He says, I'm getting

(01:14:43):
more questions on the potential for a change of government.
There is growing nervousness. The real concern is not just
with possible change, but the potential government mixed so that's
the Greens and the Murray Party. He concludes by saying
the government needs to find some new taglines, and on
that I think he's spot on. Twenty two to nine.

Speaker 11 (01:15:00):
It's a national correspondence with ends an eye insurance, peace
of mind for New Zealand business see bright what.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Us out of Australia money made?

Speaker 10 (01:15:07):
Well, we've got to remember, I feed Dutton lost the
election in Australia because he had too many policies, including
the two that really cooked him. One that he was
going to build seven nuclear power stations around the country.
In two he was going to end working from home,
and the moment he opened his mouth and said that,
the women of Australia turned against him and ran the
other way. So your poll is absolutely correct that it

(01:15:31):
seems to be image rather than policy, is what bits
you elected.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
It's a funny thing, isn't it. Where I just can't
work out what's going is elbow in his heart? Anti American,
therefore anti Trump? But just I was watching him the
other day press conference and they tried to talk to
him about the Middle East and bombs and B two's
and I've never seen a guy less interested in what's
happening in the world.

Speaker 10 (01:15:54):
No, And you've got to go back, And I mean,
is it fair to trawl back to forty years over
someone's past when you need to. We've got a prime minister.
It doesn't seem engaged in the alliance with our greatest allied,
the Americans. At university was a student leader. He was
at one point a member of the Communist Party. He's
from the hard socialist left. Anthony alban is, No, you
can hide all of that as well as you think

(01:16:17):
you are, but when it comes to really dealing with
crucial issues like this, I guess your core beliefs come
to the surface. Now. Anthony Albanezi was forced to do
a media interview on Sky News yesterday with Kieran Gilbert,
and he really, as you point out, didn't look all
that interested or worrying. Now he's got a glass draw

(01:16:38):
and he keeps reacting very poorly about the media. He
talks about there are usual suspects who criticize everything I do.
He's probably pointing the finger at Sky News, which is
ironic given he was on that station yesterday talking about it.
But he's not been able to secure a visit with
Donald Trump. He's been to America, he said five times

(01:16:59):
in his own defense. Problem is most of those was
when sleepy Joe Biden was in charge. He's not been
able to secure a meeting at NATO, where Donald Trump's
now landed and gone to the pre NATO summit dinner. Now,
our Defense Minister Richard Miles was there and I think
he's delivered one of the great quotes that shows how

(01:17:21):
pathetic our current administration is when it comes to the alliance.
He says, Look, I've not secured a meeting with President Trump,
but I might quote bump into him. No, you won't
be bumping into him. I mean, you're talking about a
man with the greatest security detail in the world, is
at the moment orchestrated in the end of a twelve

(01:17:44):
day war. I mean, what are these people thinking?

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
Weird? Are you getting the Australians out? Are they moving?

Speaker 10 (01:17:50):
Well, it was a lot so some But I don't
know who they are and how they managed to get
on this plane. But in Australia and ADF Mercy flight
landed in Israel, the airspace was opened up briefly one
hundred and twenty Australians and their family members. That would
indicate to me that these are probably staff from the
embassy who've been able to be evacuated. No one's telling

(01:18:11):
us that. But when you say one hundred and twenty
Australians and their family members, that would suggest to me
they work for the government. The rest of the people
who are there are really struggling. I mean the latest
Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade figures show four thousand,
two hundred Australians are registered to try and leave the
two countries. Thirteen hundred Australians in Israel in twenty nine

(01:18:35):
hundred in Iran. And now Iran is a big country
with a big population, but that staggers me that many
Australian citizens. I mean, I'm thinking perhaps some of them
are Iranians who've moved to Australia, they've got a residency
and have gone back to live in Iran. That can
be only explanation, can't it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
I'm assuming. So when does Elbo meet Trump ever, or
well they both leave officer ever having met, No one knows.

Speaker 10 (01:19:00):
I mean, he apparently is going to address the United
Nations at some point in the coming months. Now maybe
that's the opportunity to do it, but Donald Trump has
shown no interest in As we're engaging with Anthony Albanezi,
which considering our position, and I mentioned this to you
the other day, the Northwest Shelf, which is a communications
bace the Americans running at Pine Gap in outside Alice

(01:19:23):
Springs and other communications based. You got Marines based in Darwin.
I mean, they've got a huge amount of military assets
in this country. And we just don't seem to be
able to get a meeting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
I know, if you remember, I formed my opinion on
Mushroom Lady Philly early on due to what seemed to
be to me over writing evidence that she might be
a bit dodgy. But presumably this gets wrapped up fairly
quickly or not.

Speaker 10 (01:19:49):
Yeah, the judge is addressing the jury enclosure and the
jury will, I imagine go out today. He started Yesterday's
Supreme Court Judge Christopher Beale. The trial's been going for
nine weeks. There was originally fourteen jurors. One of them
was dismissed and I was unaware of how this happens,
but apparently they cut the jury down to twelve, so

(01:20:11):
another duror will be dropped off before they go into
the jury room. As I said, nine weeks, she's pleaded
not guilty triple murder. Beef Wellington served back in July
twenty twenty three. The judge said, look, you've got to
prove reason without reasonable doubt here. You know, we know
that she's been shown during the trail to be a liar.
This is Aaron Patterson, but you can't judge her on that.

(01:20:33):
You've got to do that beyond reasonable doubt convict her
of deliberately poisoning a beef Wellington with mushrooms and killing
three people. It'll be a hell of a jury room
to sit in, wouldn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:46):
I reckon? If I'm thinking forty five minutes tops, I mean,
give then time to go and sit down, maybe have
a cup of tea if it's late in the day,
have one more night in the hotel? Do they go
home or stay in a hotel?

Speaker 10 (01:20:57):
Do you know they're in more well, so they'd stay
in a hotel.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
I think she might get off what based on based
on what.

Speaker 10 (01:21:08):
The fact that she I guess you need to be
a little gefful the fact that she probably is a
little unhinged, right, but may have just made a mistake
with the mushrooms. How do you, as a jurist there
and go, Well, she deliberately went and got death, kept
mushrooms well because she went.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Out foraging for them and then put them in a dehumidifier,
which she said she didn't have.

Speaker 10 (01:21:33):
She went out foraging from mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
So she got the wrong mushrooms? Did she didn't?

Speaker 10 (01:21:39):
You may be absolutely correct, as you normally are, but
we'll find out all sooner.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
Hey, listen, I was. I saw the headline in the paper,
Steve Price brought to tears. I thought, hello, this is
this is not the Steve Price I know and love.
So I went to the story and of course there
were no t were there tear was? I mean? I'm
sure it was sad and I get that. But you
weren't blobing on national television? Were you?

Speaker 10 (01:21:59):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Good?

Speaker 10 (01:22:00):
I was very sad about fifteen years ending up on
the project. I did not shed it to you.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
No, exactly, no false headline. I knew it. Good to
see mate. Steve Price back next week on the program
Made forty five, The.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
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Speaker 2 (01:22:17):
Mike fake juicy headlines cell. Unfortunately, Steve was the full
guy this time. It is true, Mike. I think Steve
is right. She will get off the interesting I've not
followed it with the sort of forensic detail. I might
follow a case here, but it struck me as a
fairly easy guess as to which way they're going to go.
But we will see him. That's why you have the

(01:22:37):
judicial process. I guess Katie is having a first pickle
lesson on Thursday tomorrow, So we're moving into the peckle
paddle area. I'm considering moving into the thing in a
more rigorous way because I'm told by a family member
who makes a living in the other side of the
world that and I can't work out well that I

(01:23:00):
know what the difference is, but it can't work out
which way to go. So paddle and pickle is taking
off globally. It is a massive thing. Believe me, it
is huge, and people are being drawn to it in
a way that racket sports have never seen before. And
so you've got all sorts of leagues in America. Some
of the big names in sport are buying into pickle teams,
and there's television deals to be done. Anyway. What I know,

(01:23:21):
for example, that there's a particular club in the place
where our Sun lives that have converted old tennis courts
into paddle pickle courts, and you literally cannot get on them.
They're booked out for weeks in advance. It is just
a licensed to print money. Then I get an email yesterday.
I'm not sure if this will make it to you
what it did. A couple of Canterory families who are
best friends, have day jobs, have taken the plunge to

(01:23:43):
start our own business in the evenings and grow a
new sport, pickleball. Now pickle is the little holy balls
with a little specific bat and you play it on
a pickle court can be indoors outdoors, but it's a
smaller tennis court. Basically, paddle has got glass around the
year and it's like squash slash tennis. So pickle seems

(01:24:04):
to be the way to go because it's more accessible,
it seems to be cheaper, and it might well be.
So they're called Dink the company in christ Jurge Dink.
It's hard slog. We're not cracking the amosphere pen and
Noa's yet more like the Windo mistake bin Fire Fire
five Chirazzes, which I thought was a nice but anyway,
I wish you were the very best of luck at Dink.

(01:24:26):
But it's a go. So Katie's into it, Dinker into it,
our son's into it, and I'm thinking of moving into
the area. And I'm just working out whether I need
to go pickle or whether I need to go paddle.
Nine Away from Nine.

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peckle matin. Yeah, well that's when we get into the
great debate. That's sort of personal interpretation, isn't it Pickle,

(01:25:50):
It's awesome. Our whole family goes to the one in
Hamilton's called Topsman, absolutely full every day. If you love tennis,
you love pickle. I think that's the general jest that
I get. And there's always one might be were a
Calle's issues speaking which Friday should be fun. So Katie
will be fresh off her inaugural pickle lesson.

Speaker 15 (01:26:11):
Perhaps with a raptured Archilles who knows No, she's very flexy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:15):
I beg.

Speaker 26 (01:26:16):
That's why everybody always sees right up until the point
that they're dancing on New Year's Eve at a campground.
And then I hang on, I revealed a bit too
many demails.

Speaker 2 (01:26:26):
About Tim was just in here Wilson Friday, he won't
be playing pickle. He's got something medical on us, a
part of his body, so that'll be revealed Friday. So
an elite athlete in Katie and an old fart who
fell over and Tim should be fun five minutes away

(01:26:46):
from nine.

Speaker 1 (01:26:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
So subcommittee hearing on the hill in Washington. Our old
friend Marjorie Taylor Green, she chairs this one. What could
possibly go wrong?

Speaker 18 (01:27:00):
No one loves veterans more than President Trump, and he's
made that apparent.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
That's why he's working for.

Speaker 18 (01:27:05):
Peace, Madam, not your time.

Speaker 17 (01:27:08):
I'm the chair of this committee.

Speaker 19 (01:27:10):
That's not how I'm the chair, Terry procedure.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
We're not recognizing Stanbury. You're not recognized either.

Speaker 19 (01:27:16):
You can't just speak any time you want.

Speaker 20 (01:27:17):
I'm the chair of the how Many that's not how
Miss Stansbury.

Speaker 19 (01:27:20):
You're not recognized.

Speaker 15 (01:27:21):
Chair, that's not how Park Stansbury.

Speaker 16 (01:27:24):
You're not recognized, all.

Speaker 18 (01:27:25):
David, that's not how Stansbury.

Speaker 19 (01:27:27):
You're not recognized. We're going to give you a Robert.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
Miss Stansbury, you're not Sansbury.

Speaker 17 (01:27:32):
You're not recognized.

Speaker 9 (01:27:34):
Point of order, Madame, Chair, Can can we decide who's
going to speak first? Than we don't?

Speaker 2 (01:27:39):
How come I don't have a gabble?

Speaker 15 (01:27:41):
Well that's why right there, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Why sixteen years I've been doing the show We.

Speaker 15 (01:27:45):
All know that the gavel power would go to your head,
almost like it has to his.

Speaker 2 (01:27:49):
I need me a gavel, Can I tell them? James
May is on the program tomorrow? Or was that not?
Oh yeah, I can. You guys don't When was he
last on? Was it too years ago? I reckon it
was two years ago. Could have been closer to three.
But I've always loved James May.

Speaker 15 (01:28:04):
That that means it was probably six, probably eight.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
Who would known? The old timers is kicking it anyway,
He's been on before. I've been here before. He was
here before at some point. Anyway, it doesn't matter. James
May is back on the program tomorrow after eight as always,
Happy Days.

Speaker 1 (01:28:24):
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