Full Show Podcast: 08 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
To New Zealand's home for trusted news and views.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Heather Duplicy Ellen on the Mic asking Breakfaunt with the
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Speaker 3 (00:12):
Good morning and welcome to you today on the show,
will the changes to the Family Boost have more families
claiming this money? Vertecks obviously said, come in, it was guilty.
We're going to go to Australia to unpack the mushroom
chef case. That Wrexham game is going gangbusters for Wellington Accommodation.
I don't reckon you can get a room if you
haven't got one yet. And also Bill Bailey, the UK
funny man. He sells out every single time he comes here.

(00:33):
He's coming here again. We're going to chat to him after.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Eight, Heather Duplicy Ellen.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
So Nikola Willis has finally made her long awaited changes
to the Family Boost policy to try to redeem the
thing which has turned into a bit of a dog
of a policy sounded good at the election, because well,
of course it did. Who doesn't love the idea of
helping families to cover expensive childcare costs? But then the
problem started happening. It became hard to administer. Hardly anyone
got the money promised. Who wants to hold onto three

(00:58):
months worth of invoices in order to claim the money
back at the end of a quarter. And then it
turns out we are spending about a quarter of the
money of this thing just on the admin of it.
So Nikola Willis has now tweaked it to improved it,
to improve it, but honestly I dislike it as much
as I did yesterday before before these changes. What we've
done now is families earning up to two hundred and
thirty thousand dollars a year can claim money for ece.

(01:22):
Is a family on two hundred and thirty thousand dollars
a year poor, No, they're not poor. If they're not poor,
then why are we giving the money in the form
of welfare. The country has broke. Also, it makes absolutely
no sense that we're handing out money to working families.
But then at the very same time, the NATS are
tossing up whether to campaign next year on raising the
superage again, which means in effect taking money away from

(01:44):
pensioners because the country is broke, so we don't have
enough money to give welfare to our pensioners. But we
do have enough money to give welfare to working parents
on a good wicket. I mean, this is the kind
of election bride that shouldn't have been tweaked, should just
have been scrapped.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Why news of the world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Texas Senator Ted Cruz has been visiting Camp Mystic. This
is the death toll, of course, for the death hold
for the camps and the councilor is now standing at
twenty seven.

Speaker 4 (02:10):
There's still ten girls and one counselor from Campstick that
are unaccounted for. And the pain and agony of not
knowing your child's whereabouts. It's the worst thing, imagine it is.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Local authorities are still trying to bat away responsibility for
not taking action sooner.

Speaker 5 (02:31):
This is the headwaters of the Guadalupe. This is the beginning.
This is where everything forms when you know, when it
comes in to the North and South Fork, and so
so as those things develop, it develops very rapidly, very quickly,
and this rose very quickly in a very short amount
of time.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
The tariff deadline is obviously coming up, or is it.
There is now global confusion about whether it's supposed to
be tomorrow July ninth, or August first plus where the
deals are being done or letters are being sent.

Speaker 6 (02:56):
There are structural barriers to making significant tries read changes
in this system. There are subsidies, there are policies, there
are regulatory barriers. If it was easy, it would have
been done many years before.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
More on that shortly Over in the UK, it's the
twentieth anniversary for the seven seven terrorist attack in London
that killed fifty two and injured almost eight hundred.

Speaker 7 (03:19):
We come to honor the memory of those who died,
to stand alongside the survivors, to give thanks for those
who responded with courage and compassion.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
So he can't head a word as well.

Speaker 8 (03:34):
Anybody thinking about feature cowdly acts of terrorism is you
will not defeat us, you.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Know, will you not cow us?

Speaker 8 (03:43):
We will not forget those whose lives were cut short.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
To the Middle East and Israeli whistleblower has admitted they
are in fact committing war crimes in Gaza.

Speaker 9 (03:51):
For sure, there were no what they were with over there,
but because it was like in the territory that they
are not supposed to be in so and it also
varied between days, but some days they decided to shoot them.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
And Finally, after months and months of the Justice Department
and Trump saying they would release the Epstein files, Well,
you're probably going to be disappointed at the Justice Department. Well,
today announced there is no evidence that Epstein was murdered
and that he never kept a client list, aside from
ten hours of jail house security footage showing no one
entered Epstein's cell on the day that he died. The
Justice Department will not be releasing any new documents, and

(04:27):
that will, of course, could an end for that. Everybody
will be absolutely fine with that, won't they. That is
news of the world in ninety seconds. So Yeah. On
the tariffs, we've got developing news this morning, more of
them or I guess at the most extreme levels. Donald
Trump has said he's going to impose twenty five percent
tariffs on tariffs on Japan and South Korea, which is
the original threat unless they were able to strike a deal. Obviously,

(04:50):
means they haven't been able to strike those deals they
were both after Also, he said that there will be
ten percent an additional ten percent tariff on any nations
involved with bricks. That's that Brazil Rush, India, South Africa,
China setup, which he says is an anti America grouping.
This is on top of the confusion which has been
raining for the past twenty four hours over when the
tariffs would be kicking in the ninety days. Is due

(05:10):
to run out tomorrow, but now it turns out it's
going to be August the first. And there's the letters,
and there's the deals and all the stuff. Markets are
not loving this at all. The s and P five
hundred felt a session lows after the announcement. We'll have
a chat to Andrew Kllaher about that. Shortly twelve past six.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
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Speaker 3 (05:34):
By the way, the changes that Nikola willis made to
Family Boost yesterday, she reckons, will result in another sixteen
thousand families being able to get on the welfare, helping
them out with the early childhood costs. We're gonna have
a chat to Early Childhood New Zealand about that. After seven.
It's quarter past six right now, Andrew callaher. JMI Wealth
is with me.

Speaker 10 (05:55):
Hey, Andrew, very good morning, Heather.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
What are you making of the Trump stuff?

Speaker 10 (05:59):
Oh my gosh, So back into this is the moving
feast that is the US and global trade policy. And look,
I hate to say it, but it has become a
bit of a recurrent theme, hasn't it In the sort
of typical playbook of the Trump administration that the heather
the reality of doing stuff is actually proven to be
more difficult than they initially thought. So this week was

(06:20):
staring down the barrel of the nine July deadline, which
is the end date of the ninety day pause that
was applied to the implementation of the infamous reciprocal tariffs
they announced on the second of April, and then the
Trump had realized administration realized in the ninth of April
that it wasn't going to work, so they put this
pause in place. Then they promised that they would do
numerous deals, and you know, you.

Speaker 11 (06:41):
Hate to go back to the facts.

Speaker 10 (06:43):
But Pete Navarro, who's the Special Trade Council, he said
his was ninety deals in ninety days, which was never
going to happen because the reality just doesn't allow for that.
So what we saw Sunday night, Scott Vesent, Treasury Secretary,
he said, look, letters are going to start going out
this week to the trade park partners basically looking for
some sort of resolution of outstanding deals by first of August,

(07:05):
and if they didn't get that resolution, the countries called boomerang,
love that word boomerang back to their levels announced on
April the second. Now, I've talked a number of times
before about this somewhat chaotic sort of operational environment within
the time administration, and this is sort of indicative of
the uncertainty because you know, we really don't know if
this will actually happen and what will happen. Look, there's

(07:27):
still the impression that a number of deals will be
announced this week.

Speaker 11 (07:29):
Heather. You've got a.

Speaker 10 (07:31):
Number of sort of deals in place, Vietnam, China, some
agreement with the UK, some of the EU. They're not
full detailed trade deals. China is more of a holding agreement.
And then as you just said here that to add
a little bit more spice to the mix, there could
be an extra seen percent applied to these bricks emerging countries,
so Brazil, Russia, India, China. But to spice that up

(07:52):
even more, last year a number of other countries joined
that group, which is Indonesia, people like Indonesia, Saudi a UAE,
which sort of which Trump has me sort of quite
matey with so we're not too sure whether that ten
percent will apply to them as well. So what we're
in here head there is the we're deep in the
we're in the weeds of the catchphrase between twenty five,

(08:14):
which is uncertainty. You got more in the mix.

Speaker 11 (08:16):
Now.

Speaker 10 (08:16):
What we do know is this, I think is a
reminder that the global trade environment is moving into a
more restrictive phase. It will be worse than it was,
It'll be more restrictive than it was prior to this.

Speaker 11 (08:28):
So Marcus a weaker. They don't like the uncertainty.

Speaker 10 (08:30):
And actually overnight as well, Pete Navarro is now putting
pressure on as well as Trump putting pressure on Jera
and Pal so is Pete Navarro and that political pressure
from the Federal Reserve. That's not something that financial markets
want to see.

Speaker 12 (08:43):
No, not at all.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Over in Australia, what are you putting from the RBA today.

Speaker 10 (08:47):
Well, general consensusus SO Governor Michelle Bollockshield announced the latest
deliberation of the Reserve Bank of Australia on the level
of the cash rate. Their rates currently three point eight
five percent. Remember we're at three and a quarters. They're
still a little bit higher than us. The big four banks,
the economists, they're all aligned in their view. The Central
Bank will will drop the rate to three point six
twenty five basis point cut. Just looking at the recent data,

(09:10):
and you've probably got to agree with that. Inflation prints
and employment that's probably influencing that call. Household spending numbers
were a little bit more robust, so their last CPI
data was well under expectations.

Speaker 11 (09:23):
Their retail sales have been weak. They've got similar.

Speaker 10 (09:26):
Issues to us with sort of depressed consumer confidence, which
again is the impact of all that uncertainty out there. Also,
you remember China very important for the Aussie economy and
the very uncertain there's a lot of uncertainty around the
economic future for China as well. So I think all
in all, yep, they'll get their rate down to three
point six and they'll probably end up somewhere around three percent,

(09:47):
not dissimilar from us. And all will be revealed at
four thirty this afternoon, Heather, and we can talk about
it tomorrow morning.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Absolutely and we will Andrew give me the numbers.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
Sure.

Speaker 10 (09:57):
So as I said, yous markets are weaker, the Dow jones,
so the coming off full time house Star Jones is
down one point three percent six hundred points forty four thousand,
two hundred and twenty four, the S and P five
hundred down about point nine uner percent six two two four,
and the NASDAC as I look at it, down one
point one seven percent twenty thousand, three hundred and sixty Overnight.

(10:20):
The forty one hundred lost point one nine percent eighty
eighth six. The Nike lost just over half percent thirty
nine thousand, five hundred eighty seven. Shanghai composts are pretty
much unchanged three four seven three there. The Assis yesterday
lost fourteen points eighty five eight nine was the close,
and we had a quiet stone in the NZEX fifty
closing down two points twelve thousand, seven hundred.

Speaker 11 (10:41):
And sixty four.

Speaker 10 (10:42):
The US dollar is stronger this morning, which means Kiwi
dollar is weak. It's down under sixty cents point five
nine nine seven. Remember it was flirting with sixty one
cents last week against the OSSI were at point nine
two three six point five one two four against the
Euro point four four oh nine against the quid eighty
seven point six. Japanese yen goals at three three hundred

(11:03):
and thirty one dollars and Brient crew just edging up
sixty nine dollars and fifteen cents.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Good stuff. Andrew talk to you tomorrow. Andrew callaherve Jmi. Well.
By the way, Russia's former transport minist has been found dead.
He was just fire. It was fired yesterday, fired yesterday
by Putin, no reason given for giving him the sack,
got replaced by his deputy, and then he was dead.
No one else, they say, no one else is involved
in the death. Six twenty one.

Speaker 2 (11:26):
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Speaker 3 (11:34):
Hey, Tammy, would you do this? I think this is incredible.
The guy who is currently captaining the South African cricket team,
his name is Van Milder. He decided to stay. It
was they were batting, they were doing very very well.
He decided to declare because he didn't want to take
Brian Lara's record away from him. So Lara has the
record for the highest individual score and test innings of
four hundred. Milder was on three hundred and seventy seven.

(11:57):
So it's a fair way to go. But once you're
up at three sets seven, the next thirty three come
like you could do it with your eyes closed, you
know what I mean. So he's thirty three runs away,
he declares. He says two reasons for it. Number One,
obviously they need to get on with it and start
bowling and stuff like that. But secondly, Brian Lara is
a legend. Let's be real. He got four hundred against
England and for someone of that statue to keep that
record is pretty special. If I get the chance again,

(12:20):
I'd probably do the same thing. I was speaking to
our coach and he kind of said to me, listen,
let the legends keep the really big scores. Isn't that crazy?
By the way, that has stood for twenty one years.
Isn't that crazy?

Speaker 11 (12:30):
Though?

Speaker 3 (12:31):
So if you don't take the score away from the legend,
then you yourself will never become the legend. Very magnanimous
six to twenty five trending.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
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Speaker 3 (12:43):
It would seem not everyone is happy with the Oasis return.
One of those is the dad. Yeah, Liam and Nol's dad.
The singers have been estranged from their dad for a
number of years. He was pretty violent and drunken in
his outbursts towards their mum Peggy when they were teens
and young adults. Th ASTI holding a grudge on that,
so they decided, you know, not to have chats with
them anyway. So it's not a surprise when a TikToker

(13:05):
comes across him on the street this is Augustin and
asks him about it. He doesn't have anything good to say.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Oasis, Oh you that dud's who are the father?

Speaker 11 (13:21):
Oh? Crazy? Really?

Speaker 1 (13:23):
This is a Gallagher and Liam Gulligher is that that's crazy?
Nice to meet your bronxmall world, isn't it, guys?

Speaker 8 (13:28):
And guy's talking about music music. I have a good one, mate, what.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
A cool guy. I'm happy to walk around outing himself
as the father, but then says they don't know what
they're doing when it comes to music. I think the
world would disagree with that. By the way, very excited
about that concert in November, got that one penciled in,
heading off to Melbourne for that and I hope you're
coming to now. On the subject of South Africa while
we're there, another sign if you need it that it's
a cockcase. The police Minister has just been accused of

(13:56):
working with the criminal gangs and middling and murder cases.
What's how is one of the one of the provinces there,
Kuazulu Natal, but a bunch of weird stuff going on there.
So the police boss launched an investigation and held a
press briefing just in the last oh maybe twenty eight
twenty four to thirty six hours or so. He's accused
the police minister of receiving financial support from allegedly corrupt

(14:18):
businessmen to fund his political endeavors. Reckons what's happened is
basically had a sequence of events that he claims ends
up with a task force deliberately being disbanded. This task
force is supposed to investigate the killing of politicians mainly
in Kasulunatal. There were one hundred and twenty one cases
unsolved and the thing was disbanded, maybe to suit in

(14:38):
his opinion, the police minister and the police Minister's friends. Anyway,
police minsters come back said wild allegations. News is coming
up next and they were going to head over to France.
They were supposed to swim in the Sean, but then
it rained to get the details news sig ZB.

Speaker 8 (14:53):
You well you can jo.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
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Speaker 12 (15:13):
Head b.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
Heather four hundred minus three hundred and seventy seven is
twenty three. You need to go back to school. I
apologize for that. I think what you'll find is that
I am just I'm like everybody else, and I did
my maths. I did my maths here. I'm a New
Zealand maths graduate. Therefore I cannot count. So let's all get.

Speaker 8 (15:35):
I'd have to say. Sam immediately spotted that that Lilera
as well, Nick Nicks I didn't show off, So yeah,
he must have gone to a different school.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
He must have done something private or something like that.
Well done to Sam that he can count. By the way,
BB and Trump are going to meet to the White
House today, so we're gonna have a chat to John
Bolton about that later on about seven thirty. Will be
joined by John Bolton. John Bolton, by the way, has
some pretty interesting views. Reckons they should have kept bombing
around beg pretty King today to get his picker his
brains on that twenty two away from seven. So we've

(16:07):
got new data out from A and Z showing that
the Marti economy is outperforming some of the country's largest
listed companies. Research suggests that EWE and HAPU owned entities
have emerged from the economic downturn in pretty good shape actually,
and they perform better on a returns basis. Thoma Putaka
is the Marti Development Minister with us.

Speaker 13 (16:22):
Good morning, Comma, thank youob to Heather, how are you.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Going very well? Thank you? What are they doing right?

Speaker 12 (16:28):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (16:29):
Look, you know many of the EWE and Mati businesses
are landing people base, they have low debt levels and
often it's the generational players. So getting the opportunities to
build out things like they do a could aligistics Upham Hamilton.
That's what many of the we are all about.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
We're often using the y Cuttle case rights as an
example of how you know we are doing well? But
is this I mean obviously apart from them and Naitahu,
what are the others up to? Are they doing as
well well?

Speaker 13 (16:57):
You might have noticed a report just recently about ninety
five toward OURKA partnering to rebuild Eastcliff up at East
akand Central just across the water from we U are
heather and there's a number of EWE who are working
together have gone from about zero dollars to about a
half a billion dollars worth of property together. It's about
thirty EWE and mini groups working together in a business

(17:17):
known as harpy.

Speaker 1 (17:18):
What toma?

Speaker 3 (17:19):
What have we we got? These three examples that are
the ones that are often used as nati fatawa naitahu
tai nui are they sort of like leaps and bounds
ahead of all the other EWI.

Speaker 13 (17:29):
Well, I think there are some me groups, but there
are also some land based organizations like trust people or
groups that own gfmal power stations in the middle of
the North Isron groups that own massive dairy farm whole
ins throughout the country, particularly places like Tatanaki and m
King Country. So p kaw And Corporation is a great
example in Tutenaki at the largest owner of Fonterra shares
down that way.

Speaker 3 (17:49):
What happens to the profits, well.

Speaker 13 (17:53):
Profits that they are to be made and a lot
of the reports around balance sheet growth, heather rather than
often and lost growth are often rem listed into the
business and sometimes help out with charitable purposes or pharmo purposes,
for example, helping co Marta to get access to healthcare.
Audo Ka, I've got something fantastic which is helping pay
for health insurance so many of their ewing members have

(18:14):
better access to health nib.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
Tom, do you ever show this to Spooie up North
and say you need to sign? This is what happens
if you sign?

Speaker 12 (18:23):
Oh?

Speaker 13 (18:24):
Well, I think the challenges are North a little bit different,
but they've got their own pathway. But what I'm really
focused on is making sure I support and work with
people like Paul Goldsmith who leading the tree sient process
and that can lead to mass and a massive not
just tribal growth, but regional economic growth. And it's really
energizing for me to know that marya strong contributors to

(18:46):
the national economy.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
Good souff Thoma, thank you very much for your time.
Is always time of Paul Taka Marti. Development Minister Heather
from the Mushroom Chef trial Courters Now released a bunch
of photos and videos and audio recordings that were not
allowed to be released until the jury came back yesterday.
One of them is the doctor calling the coppers after
Aaron Patterson checked herself out of hospital.

Speaker 14 (19:04):
I have a concern regarding a patient that presented here
earlier but has left the building and is potentially exposed
to a fatal toxin from mushroom poison and I've tried
several times to get hold of her on her mobile phone.

Speaker 8 (19:23):
Mushroom poisoning, you said, yeah, So.

Speaker 14 (19:25):
There were five people that ate a meal on Saturday,
and two of them are intensive care at dan in
On Hospital, to have just been transferred from Leangatha Hospital
to dand in On Hospital, and Aaron presented this morning
with symptoms of poisoned. While I was attending the other patients,

(19:45):
that nurse informed that she had discharged herself against medical advice.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Significance of that is that's when the cops become involved,
and also, by the way, undermines the narrative that she
was being helpful and doing everything she could to help
the doctors urgently as just those people who are in
critical cash clearly wasn't wasn't even answering her phone. Anyway,
We're going to go to Australia after seven o'clock at
the latest time. That's eighteen away from seven.

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Speaker 3 (20:15):
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Speaker 3 (20:41):
Catherine Field is with us out of France. AI Catherine,
How good morning, Heather. So mccron is going to catch
up with Kia and it's going to be a massive lovin'.

Speaker 16 (20:49):
Oh, it's just going to be enormous. It's going to
be posh more. There's going to be bort on me
and put into that. You're going to have a state visit.
You're going to have the carriages going up, twins of cast,
we're going to have childs. It's going to be the
big lover and that of course we haven't seen from
this sort of state visit by any U head of
state since Brexit, so that's going to be interesting. And

(21:11):
there's lots of talk about shared interests, vital interests, and
the need for Britain and France to move on from
those turbulent waters. I think we could say from Boris
Johnson and the Brexit days and Liz Truss who said
the jury was still out on whether or not France
was a friend or a foe. So they're looking to

(21:34):
really just move on. Remember that row that they had
the orcas the submarine contracts, where they say that's all
in the past now that we're living in a new
world where there are new international challenges and it's time
for the UK and France to stand together. These are
permanent members of You and Security Council, they're both nuclear armed,

(21:54):
the diplomatic outreach and that this is going to be
a summit that shows that side of the current international climate.
And I think in the same time it's going to
be a little snub to the US President who had
hoped he'd be the first one over there for his
state visit that mister Macron is getting in just ahead

(22:15):
of him, and.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
So what does it If they've resolved most of their issues,
what are they going to talk about the channel crosshoks or.

Speaker 16 (22:22):
There's going to be channel crossings. That's going to be
a big one, of course, because we've had these so
many boats going over with asylum seekers. This year, we've
had some twenty thousand set out from French shores so far.
That's almost double for the same period last year. Now,
what the French have been saying all along is look,
you there are you in conventions, there are laws. You

(22:43):
can't just stop people going out in a boat. So
the French say that they now think they've been able
to find a way around the protocols that would be
allow them to actually stop these what they call the
taxi boats, these ones that set out from the coast
that take the people out to these larger vessels that
take the people across the across the channels. So that's

(23:06):
what they want. They reckon they've found a loophole that
would allow them to do that, So there'll be agreement
on that. They're also going to try and get big agreement.
I think it's going to be more like on Thursday,
agreement on the defense of Ukraine and particular defense spending.
That's where we're going to start seeing, particularly the European
response to the US holding off on more equipment going

(23:28):
to Ukraine. Again, we're going to be seeing that same look.
You know, Stumer and Macron they can do business together.
They're also going to meet up on Friday with the
German Chancellor. So it's going to be just another look
at how you're the far right or you're all these
leaders are under pressure from the populace on the far
right that you're these guys are in charge and they're

(23:49):
trying to steady the ship.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
Do you get a swim in the Seine?

Speaker 16 (23:53):
You wouldn't catch me in the sand? Ah, No, No,
what New Zealander would go and swim in a waterway?
Was like a taxiway. But yeah, you know, after they
spent so much money, you know, getting off the back
of the Olympics, they spent what two point seven billion
New Zealand dollars to clean up the sein. They finally
got it just in time for most of the races

(24:15):
during last year's Paris Olympics. But yeah, they had Saturday
was the first day. Apparently, people who went in told
me it was wonderfully clean and fine. But then Saturday
night it rained here and a lot of the waste
from the foot paths and things like that went into
the sand. And so for the moment, the red flags

(24:36):
are still flying over those three areas that we're supposed
to now would be allowed to go and swim in.

Speaker 3 (24:41):
I think you're right, Catherine, just avoid Catherine, thanks so much.
Appreciate it. As cashron Field, correspondent out of France, Heather.
If nothing else, the mushroom cases made the beef Wellington
a dish to remembered, you know what. I much like
the sein something to be avoided now, don't you think.
And it's also it's awfully fiddley, isn't it I think?
I mean, I don't know about you, but pre children,

(25:02):
I love to fiddle around with food and all kinds
of complicated things. Nowadays, you're not going to catch me
doing a beef Wellington. You're lucky if you get a
bolonnet shoved in your face. Do you know what I mean?
Because that's a lot of great.

Speaker 8 (25:12):
If I can't make it in the walk in fifteen minutes,
I'm out of it.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
I'm with you. The Wellington needed to die with the
eighties and that's unfortunate. Well, it's unfortunate it's been revived
for the outcome here, but it's it's reminded us why
we don't need to eat it. By the way, it
seems old Aaron Pattison may have thought that she was.
She obviously thought there was a fair chance. Maybe because
the jury was taking we're taking their time, she might
have thought there was a fair chance she was going
to get away with it. So what they did was

(25:36):
they had some workers go around to her house erect
some black plastic around it so that she could walk
in without the media seeing her. In the end, the
media didn't see her walking in because she didn't walk in.
Did she guilty? Ten Away from seven.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Heather Duplice Allen on the my casking Breakfast with the
land Rover Discovery News.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
Tom dev Hither, they need to make that AI button complicated,
like an autopilot button that'll work. It's worked for us
in New Zealand to make that super complicated. Hither, when
you get given all your funds and then pay seventeen
percent tax, it's easy to run a business. So it's
no wonder the Mari economy is doing that well, tell
you what I mean this is, this is the misconception
that all MARII organizations don't pay don't pay any tax.

(26:18):
Some of them don't pay any tax obviously they're registered
as charities. Others do pay tax, and that would be
at a seventeen and a half percent rate. The lesson
in this is I think personally, I'm starting to come
around to the idea not that we lift the tax
rate from set for them from seventeen and a half
percent to twenty eight percent, but that we actually drop
the tax rate for everybody else in all the corporates,

(26:39):
because that way you're going to attract the overseas investment,
and that actually works quite well for us in the
long run as the entire economy. Don't you think if
it's working well at seventeen and a half percent for
the MARII economy, may well work well for everybody else
at the same level. As predicted yesterday that Wellington Hospital
plan to cut the maternity beds as copying huge, huge

(27:00):
amounts of heat. They had a meeting apparently yesterday are
staff meeting about it. It's been described as hostile. The
staff are resisting it. They say their mind is blown
at the suggestion that they would take maternity beds away.
They're up in arms, they're heated about it. What they're
worried about is that women, if you take out the beds,
you're gonna have a shortage of times. It's not all
the time, right, because sometimes there's hardly anyone happen giving

(27:21):
birth in their next minute. Everybody's giving birth. But they're
worried they're gonna have women giving birth in hallways. You
don't need that. No one needs to see that, and
they don't need that to be seen. You're going to
have patients going through still births and they're going to
be next to mothers who are having live births, and
that's incredibly distressing for everybody. Are you going to have
people discharged before they're ready to leave? And so on it?
Remember remember this, when I found this out, freaked me out.

(27:43):
So I'm very glad I'm finished having babies now. But
the two most dangerous parts of your life are when
you're being born, done that and when you're giving birth.
Done that. So I'm okay now, But it's crazy if
it's dangerous time take away those beds. Don't you think
five away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
All the inns are the outs.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's the fears with business fiber take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
Right well, good news. The opportunities for buyers to get
into the housing market got slightly better in the last
three months. The qv House Price Index shows the averall
net average national home value fell zero point three percent
of the dune quarter. That puts the average value at
nine hundred and ten thousand dollars. That zero point six
percent lower than this time last year and fourteen and
a half percent below the market peak in twenty twenty one.

(28:28):
It was the smaller markets that made the biggest house
price gains. You got wired Or up twelve point six percent,
Gore up eight point eight percent, Buller up six point
two percent, Far North up five point eight and y
Tumore up five point two So what have we got
for our main centers? Auckland unfortunately down yet again, one
percent down overall for the quarter and an average price
of one point two to three million. Ycuttle had a

(28:49):
slight increase of half a percentage points Toedunger and the
Bay of Plenty was flat, as was Napier Hastings up
zero point seven percent. Taranaki region continued its recent positive trend,
which is good. Wellington, you are still stuck in the
droll doldrums unfortunately, down two point three percent of the quarter,
down five point five percent of the year. West Coast
still going strong, up one point seven christ Jutge essentially flat.

(29:11):
Tiny increase the they did get that, but it means
they're only zero pour one percent lower than the nationwide
peak of twenty twenty one. Queen's Down on its way back,
up almost two percent for the quarter. So if the
average price in Queen's Down of one point eighty five
millar is too high, then you might be waiting a
bit longer to get yourself a bit of a place there,
I would imagine. Right next up, let's talk about this

(29:31):
family boost business. We're going to have a chat to
Early Childhood New Zealand just see how much we actually
do we actually I still do not have a satisfactory
answer on this. Do we need to be helping families
on two hundred and thirty thousand dollars to pay for
easy Year? I don't think so. And then also let's
find out how this tumped terriff confusion is going to
affect us newstalok zby.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
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and the Duple c Ellen on the Mic Hosking break
first with al Vida, Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News Togs.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
That'd be good morning to you. The government has made
significant changes to the Flagship Family Boost program. The income
threshold for eligibility will change from one hundred and eighty
thousand dollars, it'll go up to two hundred and thirty
thousand dollars, while the new maximum rebate will be forty percent,
up from twenty five percent. Kathy Wolf is the chief
executive of Early Childhood New Zealand. Morning Kathy more than Heather.

(30:25):
These change is going to make a difference.

Speaker 17 (30:27):
They will definitely make a difference to another you know,
a few more families. Not a hell of a lot though,
so yeah, we'll have to see.

Speaker 8 (30:35):
Not a lot.

Speaker 3 (30:35):
You don't think the sixteen thousand families predicted.

Speaker 17 (30:40):
No, I still think there's still too many barriers in
terms of access to their rebates.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Well, you think this is in terms of the people
collecting the invoices for three months and then filing it
after the fact.

Speaker 17 (30:50):
Yeah, and also the fact that you know many of
these families who really need it still have to pay
the fees upfront and then came the rebates. And as
you say that, you know there's still challenges with was
the actual process of doing so.

Speaker 3 (31:01):
Ah, So, Kathie, the biggest problem is still the admin
of this thing.

Speaker 13 (31:04):
Yeah, correct.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
Now, Look do you think of family earning up to
two hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year actually needs welfare?

Speaker 17 (31:14):
It depends, Yeah, at the cost of living at the moment,
just as you know, it's just is just causing a
lot of challenges for my families. And whilst you know,
turning th DKP per family sounds a lot, they're still
you know, they're still with all the other cast of
their mortgages and all those kinds of things. So it definitely,
it definitely will help, will help families. We just really

(31:36):
hope that it is going to be excess. You know
that those extra sixteen thousand families will access the family
boost I mean for us and for our members because
the providers they help these families trying to access it.
So again, it's also creating more admin for early childhood services.
So for us, the better way to do something like

(31:56):
this is to really put it in the hands of
providers to help families, you know, a for the FeAs,
you know, give your fun if you invest in early
childhood more meaningfully. Which is the funding reviews coming? We
just think there's too many things out there for families
who have to move themselves around all these different what's

(32:20):
the word I'm looking for the funding things and rebates.
Whereas if they just have a very simplistic investment across
early childhood for families to actually high quality early childhood
would be much more meaningful for everybody.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
Probably was a simpler way of doing it. Kathy, thank
you very much, appreciate it. Kathy Wolf, Chief Executive of
Early Childhood New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
It's ever do for thee Island.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Ten past seven. Now a bit of confusion over when
Trump's tariffs are going to kick in the ninety day
Pauls was supposed to end tomorrow. It now looks like
it's going to be August. One good thing is the
man in charge is clearing it all up for us.

Speaker 12 (32:57):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (32:57):
Presidents.

Speaker 5 (32:57):
Do the terriffreed change at all on July nights or
do they change on August?

Speaker 8 (33:02):
Fern, what are you talking about?

Speaker 18 (33:04):
Tariff Fred do they change on July ninth or August first?

Speaker 11 (33:08):
They're going to be tariffs.

Speaker 12 (33:09):
Gariffs, Ay're going to be the tariffs.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
I think we have most countries done by July night.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Yeah, yeah, well, good thing. The tariffs are going to
be the tariffs. Catherine Beard is the advocacy director for
Business New Zealand with US Morning. Catherine, Good morning. So
does it look to you like what's going to happen
is the letters go out this week and then the
tariffs kick in on the first of August.

Speaker 19 (33:29):
Well it all sounds a bit confusing, doesn't it. So,
so the countries that he's trying to do deals with,
and I think i've seen Japan and South Korea mentioned,
you know, those will be kind of two way negotiations
and they'll be finished, I guess when they're finished, and
sometimes you know, those can be protracted, particularly if both

(33:50):
sides keep going for another round. In New Zealand situation,
I think we're just on a flat ten percent tariff,
which is sort of the default, and it's the lowest level,
so that's probably going to be less complicated and that
will arrive when it arrives. I think people were planning
for tomorrow. But who knows. It's one of those regimes,

(34:13):
isn't it where you wake up every morning and see
what the latest is.

Speaker 3 (34:16):
Where are we at? We are we just taking are
we accepting the ten percent tariff? Or are we fighting it?

Speaker 19 (34:22):
Look, I don't think there's any point in fighting it
because it is the lowest rate. So the main thing
for us is to have a level playing field. And
if that's the best rate going, then a little I
would say it's a quick country like New Zealand trying
to get into negotiation with a big country at the

(34:44):
United States. It's probably a David and Goliath m reystal
and it's probably not worth it, and.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
We probably do not feature very high on the list
of priority countries for striking a deal.

Speaker 19 (34:53):
Right, No, that's right. And look, if you get the
ten percent, you're considered to be a good trade partner, basically,
you know the narrative.

Speaker 3 (35:02):
Catherine, By the way, what do you make of the
government looking at the bank's tax?

Speaker 19 (35:07):
Yeah, look, I've just been reading about that in the
media like everyone else, and yeah, but amusing because I
was also reading I might have been in the Herald
this week. Who the biggest corporate tax payers were the
top ten and the banks were all in there, so
the paying a lot of tax already.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
Yeah too, right, Catherine, thank you very much, appreciate it.
Catherine Beard, Advocacy Director for Business New Zealand.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Heather Doopers the al for.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Reminder, John Bolton is going to be with us, as in,
former national security advisor is going to be with us
after half plus seven. He thinks the Iran Israel ceasefire
was a mistake and Trump should have kept going with
the bombs. So we'll have a chat to him about that. Listen,
have you been following this case of the crime rings,
the guys who have been brought in from overseas on
valid visas to babysit weed growing operations. This thing has

(35:54):
just blown out massively in terms of numbers. I think
it turns out now this is according to Immigration New Zealand.
Turns out out that there are more than two hundred
people who've come into this country with valid work visas
who've then been linked to these companies that actually are inoperative.
The company's just a front, but behind the companies sit
these Vietnamese organized crime rings and they're operating out of

(36:15):
East Auckland in particular, and they bring these people in,
more than two hundred people, which I think is a
staggering number, bring them in and they basically have to
sit there and watch the weed grow. And they're nicking
their electricity from the neighbors houses of yours. If your
power bill's gone up massively, don't just assume that it's
a power power bill increase, like an energy cost. Much
of it, maybe, but maybe just have a closer look.

(36:36):
If the neighbors look like they're up to some funny stuff,
they reckon. They have now arrested dozens of people, They
have destroyed thousands of cannabis plants. They have deported a
bunch of Vietnamese nationals. But what's interesting about it, as
well as the numbers here, is that they reckon. It's
not just one organized crime ring, it's multiple who are
doing this. Seven fourteen, The.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
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Speaker 3 (37:04):
Fair to say fair few texts coming in on the
middle class welfare. We're going to get to it because
I'm yeah, yeah, I'm picking up what you're putting down,
So we'll get there shortly. Seventeen past seven. So after
a week of deliberating, we've got the verdict in the
mushroom chef case. Aaron Patterson was guilty of murdering her
three and laws and then guilty of the attempted murder
of the pastor Leslie Yeomans is Our Australia corresponding with

(37:24):
us now, hey Leslie, good morning, Heather. Given that she
was so emotionless in court when the verdict came out,
do you think she saw this coming?

Speaker 20 (37:32):
Well, you would have to think that there was some
advice given to her by her legal team that this
was a strong possibility. Three people left dead and one
person who'd spent some time in hospital. The people who
were showing emotion though, were her friends who are outside court,

(37:53):
who was saying that they were going to stick by her.
But Aaron Patterson herself, she must have been aware that
this was not going to look very good.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Why did jury take so long?

Speaker 20 (38:05):
Do you think, Well, there was a lot to get through.
I guess after a ten week trial there were around
fifty prosecution witnesses that they had to get through. There
was a lot of evidence for them to be sort
of reviewing and going over the fact that the fact

(38:25):
that Aaron Patterson had lied about things like the food
dehydrated that she'd purchased and then had disposed of. There
was footage of her at the waste disposal center of
the tip where she was disposing of that but had
told had told authorities that she'd never had one of
those things. There was the fact that also that the

(38:47):
recipe that she'd used for that beef wellington, that she'd
actually deviated from the recipe and she'd made individual small
beef wellingtons rather than go with the resci as a whole,
and she'd serve them up on different colored plates when
she was serving that meal. So there was a lot

(39:08):
of sort of a lot of detail for them, I guess,
to get through before they had to before they had
to sort of reach that verdict.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
What's the possible sentence for her?

Speaker 20 (39:19):
Possible sentence is life?

Speaker 3 (39:21):
How long is that Lifely?

Speaker 20 (39:26):
Look at three people are deceased and there's one attempted murder.
So I don't know, to be honest with you. Life
could be, you know, fifty plus years, it could be twenty.
Who knows. That would be up to the sentencing judge.
She'll be back in court possibly at the end of
the year for that pre sentence hearing. But she's got

(39:49):
twenty eight days or illegal team's got twenty eight days
to appeal the verdict. So we'll just have to wait
for the next month or so to see if they're
actually going to an appeal, which you would likely sort
of assume that that would be what would happen.

Speaker 3 (40:04):
Leslie. It's very good to talk to you. I really
appreciated Leslie Yeoman's Australia correspondent. I'm not sure if this
is true or not, but it is being reported. I'm
going to tell full disclosure. It's being reported by the
Daily Mail. That's why I'm saying I'm not sure, okay,
but this is what is being reported apparently on who.
She's been kept at the Dame Phyllis Frost Center in

(40:24):
Melbourne's West and on her weekly trips back there, quote
Patterson had come to loathe the chicken Cutchia Tory meals
provided to her because the dish had mushrooms in it,
which is a nice little twist of irony. If it's true.

Speaker 2 (40:37):
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Speaker 11 (40:45):
I'd be.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
It's seven twenty three. Now listen, let's talk about what's
going on here, okay, with the citizens arrest. If you
listen to parenting experts, you can hear the same thing
time and time and time again about raising kids properly.
Kids need but just as important, and someone actually say
more important, they need boundaries. They need to be told no,
They need to be disciplined, They need to learn what
they can and cannot do, and if you don't do

(41:09):
that properly as their parents, you basically ruin their chances
at success later in life. Now, bear that in mind
when you hear people like the Children's Commissioner arguing that
kids should be off limits on citizens arrests, because, of course,
at the moment what is happening, the government is proposing
a law change to allow retailers or security guards or
even you and I if we want to, to hold
a shoplifter in a citizen's arrest until the cops can

(41:30):
get their intake over. Now, the Children's Commissioner is well
meaning because she doesn't want kids hurt, because these things
can go badly, especially if you've got the worst case
scenario playing out like we have seen, which is where
you've got weapons involved. You've got the kids turning up
armed with hammers and knives and so on to raid
a store. Now, while the Children's commissioner means well, though,
she is wrong because a loophole like that that says

(41:53):
adults can be held down but kids can't, will be exploited,
and it will be exploited by adults. Gangs already use
kids to commit their own rates. They already use them
to commit their thefts because they know that kids get
off more likely than they would. If you make a
rule that kids are allowed to escape but adult adults
get held down, you only make it more likely that
they do. Send the kids in, thereby making it more
likely that the kids up. Kids end up ruining their

(42:15):
life's chances, which brings us back to the very start
of what I was saying. Kids need boundaries, and it's
not just from their parents, it's also from the state.
So if we do citizens arrests for the adult crims,
we also have to do citizens arrest for the kiddie crims.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
Heather Duplessy Allen Heather.

Speaker 3 (42:32):
New Zealanders broke has serious issues. Why are we handing
out even more taxpayers money to rich people? To assist
them in raising their kids. Heather, There's no way that
a family should be on welfare when they're earning two
hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year. It's ridiculous. It's
no wonder the country's broke, Heather. If you're earning two
hundred and thirty thousand dollars a year and you need
help with childcare, what hope is there for the rest
of us on an eighty thousand dollar budget? Hither, I

(42:55):
reckon we've reached peak lunatic welfare state for giving handouts
for families earning two hundred thousand dollar plus, also using
borrowed money. We now have a record government borrowing which
is heading towards three hundred and fifty billion dollars in
twenty twenty nine. This ends very badly, Grant, thank you
for that.

Speaker 14 (43:09):
Look.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
I'm glad. I'm absolutely thrilled to be backed up in
this position, because I do think that two hundred and
thirty thousand dollars seems an extreme amount of money to
be putting a family on welfare. But this brings me
back to my argument about superannuation, which is a drum
that I'm going to beat as far as long and
as loud as I can. You cannot take away superannuation

(43:33):
from people who actually are expecting it until you deal
with this kind of nonsense right there, because the point
of trying to trim the super budget is basically to
get away from all of that spending. There is a
lot more spending there we can start dealing with first
before we start dealing with super. So when you take
away welfare from wealthy families, we're helping them with the childcare.
When you start taking that away, then you can come

(43:53):
and talk to me about taking away the superannuation. By
the way, there's been a bit of chat about whether
Jacinda should be back in the country for the COVID inquiry. Now,
I mean, of course, of course she should, mainly because
it's a Royal Commission of Inquiry and she herself knows
how important these things are. You'll remember when she announced
the abuse the Royal Commission of Inquiry into Abuse and
Stake Care, she said, this is a chance to confront

(44:15):
our history and make sure we don't make the same
mistakes again. You could say the very same thing of
the COVID inquiry. This is a chance to confront our
history and make sure we don't make the same mistakes again.
So I would expect her to come back. However, I
do not think that she is going to be coming
back anytime soon. I don't know if you've seen it,
but she's got an interview in the Australian Women's Weekly
out Weekly, which is out this month. If you want

(44:37):
to spend your dollars on it, it's not bad. Actually
it gives you a bit of an insight, but it
makes the point. I mean, you read that article, you
will come away with the impression that Jacinda and Clark
and the family are staying in Boston for a very
long time. It makes the point she went over for
three months, they've been there for two years, she says.
She basically says New Zealand will always be home. But

(44:58):
you know, we really do like it here. I get
to meet amazing and interesting people. We've made some lovely friends,
live in an area with lots of kids. So yeah,
it's just been easy and I suspect that is how
it will stay. And the Inquiryisinda will not be there.
News is next then John Bolton.

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Speaker 5 (45:41):
Now.

Speaker 3 (45:42):
Middle East leaders will be watching today because Donald Trump
is meeting Benyaminette Yahoo in the White House ten thirty
our time. On the cards, the Seaspire deal with Gaza,
of course, the Seaspire deal with Iran. Former national security
advisor to Trump, John Bolton joins me.

Speaker 8 (45:54):
Now, Morning, John, Good afternoon.

Speaker 21 (45:56):
I'm glad to be with you.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Do you hold any hopes for those negotiations between Israel
and Hamas on the way at the moment?

Speaker 21 (46:04):
Well, I don't think so, although the meeting between Netanyahu
a Trump, which will be later in the afternoon here
on Monday, Washington time, could tell us something. But Hamas's
objectives are to get Israel out of Gods entirely. Israel's
objectives are to destroy Hamas as a military and political force.
There's no compromise there.

Speaker 3 (46:25):
Do you think Israel's objectives now also include clearing the
place out?

Speaker 21 (46:30):
Well, I think it's moving in that direction, and I
think It really requires everybody who's concerned to think about
what we're going to do with the guys in population.
I think rebuilding a high rise refugee camp wouldn't solve anything.
It would just lay the basis for a new October.
The seventh and perhaps ten percent of the guys in
population has already exited the Gaza strip. That means there's

(46:53):
a long way to go. But I think I think
we have to be thinking about from a humanitarian point
of view, what's the best place for the gods to go?

Speaker 3 (47:00):
What do you think the best place is not Gaza.

Speaker 21 (47:04):
Well, I think there's never going to be a two
state solution after October seven. I think people need to
abandon that dream and to think what is the best
thing for the people of Gaza and their children. And
you know, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees has never
forcibly repatriated anybody anywhere. But there are also no permanent

(47:27):
High Commissioner for Refugees refugee camps, and I think if
they were put in charge of the situation rather than UNRA,
which is the UN agencies that's been dealing with the
Palestinians since nineteen forty eight, that there might be a
better chance for a humane solution for the Gazan people.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Where would you take them if you took them elsewhere?

Speaker 21 (47:48):
Well, I think it's going to take a period of
time to decide where they go. I think Egypt is
very concerned that a lot of the people in Gaza
are still Hamas. They regard. The Egyptians regards Hamas correctly
is a subsidiary of the Muslim Brotherhood, which they had
to deal with in Egypt. That's part of the problem.
This Hamas domination in Gaza has been a curse to

(48:10):
the gas And people, and we're going to have to
think about ways to deal with that before they can
be humanely resettled.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Could they go to the West Bank?

Speaker 21 (48:21):
Well, I think that's a possibility, but you'd have to
work that out between Jordan and Israel. I think in
addition to Egypt, which after all has a population of
ninety million, there are a number of other countries where
they could go if they if their safety can be guaranteed,
and if they're not going to carry the Hamas ideology
with them.

Speaker 3 (48:41):
John, if a Tuesday solution is no longer viable, what's
the next best solution?

Speaker 21 (48:47):
Well, I think you have to treat the problem of
Gaza separately from the problem of the West Bank, and
there are changes happening on the West Bank now. The
Wall Street Journal reported this morning in the US that
a number of shakes from the Hebron region want to
be done with the Palestinian authority. They want to deal
with they and their tribes want to deal with Israel independently.

(49:09):
There's a lot of changing going on in the Middle
East now, and I think people need to catch up
with it. I think if you look at the West
Bank as a separate problem, there's a better chance for
Israel and Jordan to work out some kind of relationship
that would give everybody something that would satisfy them.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
Why do you think the Israel Iran ceasepy was a mistake.

Speaker 21 (49:35):
Because I don't think President Trump's statement about total obliteration
to the contrary. Notwithstanding the job was done. I think
the combined Israeli US airstrikes did an awful lot of
damage to the program, but it's a complex operation and
there's still a lot more to be done to save
really the world from this threat of nuclear proliferation. Iran

(49:59):
is not just an Israeli problem. It's an American problem,
it's a problem for everybody that doesn't want to see
the spread of nuclear weapons, because that's what the iotolas
are aiming at.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Do you basically think that they were they were so
significantly damaged that they had an Iran no option, but
a ceasefire. So actually, when you have them at that point,
you should you should just keep going.

Speaker 21 (50:21):
I think absolutely we should keep going. The more damage
you inflict, the harder it is for them to get
the nuclear program up and running again, and the safer
the world is from this threat of nuclear proliferation.

Speaker 3 (50:33):
Do you think that Pete hig Sifth knows what he's doing?

Speaker 21 (50:37):
Not particularly. I mean, I think he is still in
jeopardy of losing his job as Secretary of Defense. He
may have moved to second place in the next in
the category of next departure from the administration, and maybe
Telsey Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, has replaced him.
But I think Haig Seth's job is still in jeopardy.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
And so what Trump's just keeping an eye on him?

Speaker 21 (51:03):
Well, I think he's waiting for an opportune moment. Trump
hates to admit that he's made a bad decision, although
he's made a lot of them. So maybe it will
be in August, when Congress goes in recess and it's
very hot and humid in Washington and the media take
their vacations, maybe both Gabbard and Hegseeth go in August.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Interesting. Okay, look the meeting today which you mentioned at
the stop BB and Trump. What do you think we
get out of this?

Speaker 11 (51:29):
Well?

Speaker 21 (51:30):
I think they are going to be two big subjects.
One is Iran and the nuclear weapons program and whether
the Ayatolas should be allowed to remain in power. The
other is Gaza. I think Trump really really wants a
Nobel Peace Prize, and he's decided, having failed to bring
peace between Ukraine and Russia, maybe this is the place
to get it. So I think there could be some

(51:51):
pretty tough discussions at this dinner.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
John, listen, thank you very much for your time to
appreciate It is John Bolton, former National Security Advisor. Sixteen
away from.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
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powered by News.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Talks at be Hey.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
By the way, if you've been following that Wrexham game
that's going to be in Wellington and you were hoping
to go. You need to get your wriggle on because
it looks like accommodation is if not booked out, already
close to anyway, We're going to check in with Wellington,
New Zealand shortly. Just get the latest on that Heather.
There is always zoom for justinder. She needs to answer
for the shambles. Look or could time zone? You know,

(52:29):
I'm sure we can come up with an excuse for
not to do that. Now. This is Look if you're
getting ready for work today and you're thinking, geez, I
need a break. I wish I didn't have to keep
This is going to rip your nighty. We all need
jobs at the Reserve Bank because when you work for
the Reserve Bank, life is sweet. Have a listen to this.

(52:49):
At the Reserve Bank, when you sign a little contract
to go and work there, it's not like you and
I we get four weeks and your leave as a standard,
they get five weeks. They start. They start at five weeks.
That is the absolute low. So you go work at
the Reserve Bank. You got yourself five weeks and you'll leave.
But you can add to that. You can also get
yourself another three weeks. You can buy it. So what

(53:09):
you need to do is you use two percent of
your pay and then you buy yourself another three weeks
and you will leave. That is a bargain because three
weeks is actually equivalent to equivalent to six weeks six
percent of you year's work, So it should be equivalent
to six percent of your income. So if you're buying
six percent of your you're buying with two percent, you're
buying six percent worth of leave for two percent. Numbers

(53:31):
are not my strength, you can tell, but you follow
what I'm saying. Right, You're getting six percent for the
pay of two percent. That is a bargain. That's bye
bye bye. And by the way, I need to say
thank you to the Taxpayers Union for digging these numbers up.
So you get yourself your five weeks and you add
to it your three weeks that you've just bought at
a bargain rate, at a warehouse style bargain rate. You've
now got yourself eight weeks and you'll leave. But then
they give you at the Reserve Bank, because they don't

(53:52):
feel like that's enough, then they give you a standard
fifteen days worth of wellness leave every single year quote
for when you need to recover, re energize or rest
as if that's not what the weekend is for. Now
you get yourself eight weeks plus fifteen days. There's another
three weeks. You've got yourself eleven weeks of annual leave
so that you can go and rest. Then, of course

(54:13):
I'm assuming that they get the two weeks worth of
sickly the ten days that the rest of us get.
And so I'm assuming that if you're at the Reserve
Bank now you're really in, you're really into this kind
of that you've got the momentum going of needing to
re energize and rest. You're going to use up those
ten days sick leave, aren't you. You're just gonna be
like child's got chicken pox. Yep, got to stay home. Yeah,
oh look, I've got a snotty nose. No, I don't

(54:34):
want to make you sick. I've got to stay over.
So by the time you've used up all of this,
you've got yourself thirteen weeks of leave that you can
take at the Reserve Bank. That's fully a quarter of
the year that you don't have to work. That's a
pretty sweet package. But it does not end there, because
then with the remaining three quarters of the year that
you may you may want to turn up, but you're
now legally obliged to turn up for three quarters of
the year. You can work at home, and most employees

(54:56):
do actually do this at the Reserve Bank, at least
one day a week at home. They are taking the
vast majority. They got six hundred and fifty people who
work there. Four to fifty five of them do at
least one day a week at home, so that's seventy percent.
So that's most of you.

Speaker 11 (55:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (55:10):
So then if you decide, a cow, I need to
work from home, they don't want you to just be
sitting on the couch and getting you know, bag baddie
cannot ergonomics, getting yourself a little hunch and like, I
don't know, some carpal tunnel. So they say, we'll give
you eight hundred bucks. You can set up your home
office by yourself, a nice little light, nice little desk,
maybe a reclining chair or something baggin'. So they have
paid out fifty nine thousand dollars in home equipment because

(55:32):
everybody's onto this racket, and they've paid five hundred and
thirty five thousand dollars just making sure that you're going
to the gym at the Reserve Bank, a little bit
of a little bit of wellness reimbursement and so on.
So as you get yourself ready for work today, you
need to be asking this question, should I relocate to
Wellington and work for the Reserve Bank, because we're all
asking that question a.

Speaker 8 (55:51):
Well, actually, because you've shown that you can't do numbers.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
So it's I don't think that. But they also they
have positions for people who identify as trees. I will
be doing that at the Reserve Bank, and you can
just does this not go some of the way to
explaining why Adrian all was desperate for that funding boost
from Nikola Willer, so desperate that he quit because otherwise
how is he going to pay for all of this nonsense?
Nine away from eight.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
Heather duper c Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Bailey's real estate news dog, zib.

Speaker 3 (56:21):
Heather, you've forgot the stat days. You can add another
two weeks on for that, jeez. Thanks. Definitely, it's becoming
more and more attractive, isn't it. Six away from eight
Now some great news for Wellington anyone who loves football
as well. It looks like that Wrexham game later this
month is going to go off. Data from Booking dot
Com show searches for Wellington Accommodation have jumped six hundred percent.
Heidi Moulton is Wellington and Z's Events and Experience as

(56:43):
general manager and with us. Hey Heidi, Hey, Heather, how
are you? I'm very well? How good is this looking
to you?

Speaker 7 (56:49):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (56:49):
What a fantastic statistic. Isn't it amazing to see the
number of people that are wanted to come to Wellington.
I mean, we've got two fantastic weekends coming ahead. We've
got a soul out All Blacks and Black Ferom's double
hitter this weekend and then rerex on the following weekend.
So there's a lot going on in Wellington for people
to come and see.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
When was the last time that Wellington was the most
searched winter destination, beating beating Queenstown.

Speaker 22 (57:16):
I know I had to double read that to make
sure that that was actually true, but yeah, I can't
I can't remember when that.

Speaker 17 (57:23):
Was the case.

Speaker 22 (57:24):
But I think, you know, Wellington offers a great opportunity
for a unique destination that's perhaps not you know, going
for a week in the snow, So that's fantastic.

Speaker 3 (57:35):
Yeah, you still get the cold day, you get that
into that lovely cold without having to actually deal with
the crispy white stuff. Thckon there are any rooms available?

Speaker 5 (57:44):
Oh?

Speaker 22 (57:44):
Absolutely, there's still rooms available and there's still tickets available
for the Wrexham match. So we're open for business and
we'd love to see some more people come for that game.

Speaker 3 (57:54):
And then what do you reckon? Just give us a
quick rundown if you come for the Wrexham game. What
else did you go do?

Speaker 22 (58:00):
Oh, there's a lot going on. Obviously, Wellington's really walkable
and there's easy access to the stadium for Wrexham, there'll
be light installations down on the waterfront. My favorite bakery
Volco Bakery and Wellington or Cog for dinner. There's certainly
you know, the cable car to Papas the land he
of the zoo. I mean there's plenty to keep everyone

(58:20):
busy if they come for a weekend in Wellington.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
There's times have changed since I live there. I don't
know either of those places, Heidi, Thank you, Heidi. Molton
Wellington and z Events and experience. As general manager, do
you know what you need to do if you go
down for that, just talk about light installation. You need
to go look at those disco toilets, because that's the
first thing I'd be doing. If I was going to
Wellington anytime soon, I'd land the plane. Well they would.
I wouldn't land the plane, obviously that would be a disaster.

(58:43):
They would land the plane. I'd jump off the plane.
I'd get in an uber and I'd say, take me
to the disco toilets immediately. I need to go and
look why toilets cost two point three million dollars. Bill
Bailey is going to be with us shortly. Bill Bailey
is the comedian, you know, the one who always looks
like Shakespeare. The Shakespearean vibe about him, isn't there sort
of got that kind of like little goaty in the

(59:03):
kind of mental hair. Every time he comes here he
sells out, and it's probably not going to be any
different when he comes with his vaudevillion tour later in
the year. We're going to have a chat to him.
And also Ambos. We need to talk about ambos because
I'm starting to get to the point where I think
you may have to be your own ambo. If somebody
in your family fall sick. Heather, don't forget to add

(59:27):
maternity leave to that list as well. Yeah, well there
you go, go work at the Reserve Bank just before
you have a baby. You never have to go to
work again. News talks, he'd be.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
The news and the newsmakers, Heather duples Hellen on the
Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's real estate all together better
across residential, commercial and rural news talks, he'd be.

Speaker 11 (59:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (59:58):
Seven past eight. Zealand cannot get enough of Bill Bailey.
After selling out when he last toured here all the
way back in twenty twenty three, he's bringing a new
tour back to the country near the end of this year.
It's called Boordavillion and he's going all over the place
around the country. The show is described as a celebration
of comedy, songs and skills Bill Bailey, Good morning, lovely
to talk with you.

Speaker 11 (01:00:17):
Hello there, and you also now you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
Have been there's been a couple of years since you've
been in New Zealand. You look like you've been really busy,
have you.

Speaker 23 (01:00:25):
Yes, I have, And I mean I'm always busy. I'm
always doing something because I like to be busy, and
so I was trying to find something meaningful to do. So, yeah,
the last couple of years, I've been making TV programs,
touring the world, writing books, usual sort of thing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Yeah, are you an active relaxer?

Speaker 15 (01:00:48):
Are you?

Speaker 11 (01:00:48):
But I like, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 23 (01:00:50):
I tend to sort of feel nervous if I'm not
doing something. So if I'm doing one project, always try
and get it to overlap something else. And I do
tend to find that they do sort of, you know,
tend to one. Well, we'll kind of sort of start
to cross pollinate a little bit, you know something, there's
there'll be an element of one project which you can

(01:01:11):
use in another project. So I think they all kind
of tend to blur together after a while and blend together.

Speaker 11 (01:01:16):
And that's good. I love to be busy, you know.

Speaker 23 (01:01:19):
I just I find I kind of get nervous. I
get reckless if I'm not doing something.

Speaker 3 (01:01:27):
Why do you think that is?

Speaker 24 (01:01:28):
I'm asking you this because Bill, I experienced exactly the
same thing, and I found that the only way to
stop myself doing this is literally put myself in a bath.
Because you can't get you're forced to sort of sit
there and enjoy the thing.

Speaker 23 (01:01:40):
Oh did you sorry, did you say bath or bar?

Speaker 3 (01:01:44):
Well, I mean a bar works as well, but at
home about.

Speaker 23 (01:01:47):
I was going to take that would work equally for me.
But but yes, I know what you mean. You have
to sort of like actually program in a little bit
of time where you just do nothing. Yeah, and what
my my sort of go to is puzzles, and I
do the spelling Bee every day. It's it's part of

(01:02:07):
the puzzle on New York Times website, and I try
and sort of do That's my kind of moment where
I just zone everything out and I just concentrate on
that for a bit.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
I don't believe I don't do the spelling I don't
do the spelling Bee because it costs money and I'm
too tight to pay for it, so I just do
the many crossword in the world.

Speaker 11 (01:02:26):
Ah, yes, yes, that's true. Now, you're right. Yeah, you
do have to have a subscription for that. But I
mean I do.

Speaker 23 (01:02:33):
I like the New York Times, so I'm kind of
it's a bit of a bonus, you know, you get.
I like the journalism, but I also, yeah, the bone
the spelling Bee is my is my go to, and
I get a bit obsessed about it, and I actually
start asking random people do you know a seven letter
word that starts with al that means this? You know,
and then just taxi drivers, you know, opt them into it.

(01:02:56):
But yeah, I think so, I mean, I think that's
I've always been like that since I was a kid.
Even when I was at school, I'd always be doing
the school play and also playing in the cricket team
and also doing something else. So I kind of think
that's really been a pattern of my life since childhood,
which I guess, you know, once once the patent takes hold,

(01:03:17):
that's it, you know, we're cooked.

Speaker 3 (01:03:20):
While we're on the subject of technology, are you asn't
ai as I am?

Speaker 23 (01:03:24):
Yeah, I'm kind of fascinated by it because, like I
am with any new thing, you know, I always thought
sort of, you know, try to avoid any sort of
sense of like, oh, you know, things are better.

Speaker 11 (01:03:36):
In the old days, you know, and.

Speaker 23 (01:03:38):
It's all gone to part There is an element of saying, well, no,
we actually live in a time where where technology has
improved the lives of millions of people, so why wouldn't
this do that? Also, And I'm slightly fascinated by the
kind of how it's come on in leaps and bounds,
and you know, the visual element of it. I mean,

(01:03:59):
I do explore it a little bit I have done
in the last show. I would say though, that, you know,
in terms of an artistic process and certainly performing, there's
something about live performing where you interact with an audience
which can't ever be replicated.

Speaker 11 (01:04:14):
I don't think I think that's that's in a.

Speaker 23 (01:04:17):
Way, in a way, I suppose I'm sort of I
feel kind of slightly relieved by that in a way,
and also an obligation to keep performing in a way,
because I think there'll be a time, won't there shall
shall we know, Let's imagine a time in the future
when when you say scripts are written by a computer
chat gbt ai ai does a rendition of actors performing lines,

(01:04:42):
and I mean, you know, I mean you see, I mean,
it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

Speaker 11 (01:04:47):
Is it that?

Speaker 23 (01:04:48):
You know, recorded entertainment might be computerized, but there's nothing
that can replicate that moment, that sort of spark between
an audience and a performer in a live context. And
so I sort of feel almost like it's something I
will continue to do and probably sort of to a

(01:05:09):
point where I want to concentrate. I want to almost
accentuate that that I want to focus on. I want
to make a virtue of the fact that it's that
there is this bond between an audience or performer which
doesn't exist.

Speaker 11 (01:05:23):
You know, it can't be replicated.

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Bill, listen, let's leave it there and come back to you,
and just to take Bill Bailey right now, it's twelve past.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Day the Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
Howard By News Talks.

Speaker 3 (01:05:35):
It be all right, we'll beck with Bill Bailey. Bill,
you know, on the subject of AI, I reckon what
we've lost through the smartphone is human interaction. You know,
where you see a family sitting around, everyone's on a smartphone.
They're not talking to each other. Is it possible? Actually
though that the further we go down this road where
we realize how many of our tasks can be replicated
by AI, which you start to value again the face
to face and the interaction.

Speaker 23 (01:05:56):
Yes, I do actually think that's true. And I think
that I've noticed this other forms as well. Like one
of the programs I've been making in the last few
years is about traditional craft, which is something which i've
always been interested because my grandfather was a Stonemason, and
so I've always had a love for that, for things

(01:06:18):
that people can make things, you know, and during in
fact from but I think very sort of about five
years ago, when we were all incarcerated indoors we can
go out, people started to make things and film it
and then post it online and this became hugely popular,
and then it became enormously sort of shared viraly on

(01:06:39):
TikTok and so on. And so what I've discovered is
that now there is a resurgence in those sort of things,
almost like slow entertainment, you know, more there's a bit
more value intrinsically in it than something which is just a.

Speaker 11 (01:06:52):
Kind of.

Speaker 23 (01:06:54):
Immediate, you know, sort of gratification that happens, you know,
in a minute thirty from a video or some kind
of sketch. There's something a bit more a value of that,
and I think that there is genuinely a kind of
people recognizing the value in their live performance.

Speaker 11 (01:07:11):
And that's that's replicated.

Speaker 23 (01:07:13):
I mean, it's it's indicated by numbers of people going
to see shows. I mean there's like shows in London,
but that Western shows record numbers of people going to
see shows, record numbers of people that are going to
see live concerts, music concerts, comedy concerts. You know that
it's almost like people are genuinely craving this, seeking out
something which you can't really get in any other form.

Speaker 3 (01:07:35):
Is that why you and I've noticed this with other
comedians as well, why you are increasingly you guys are
increasingly booking a lot of small venues rather than just
heading one big city, because you're going from Embercago through
the Rotor Rul all the way, you know, like all
of these venues.

Speaker 23 (01:07:50):
Yeah, absolutely right, Yeah, because well, I mean that's the thing,
you know, if like, as you say, other comics are doing.
I've started doing comedy when I was teen. You know,
it's something I've loved my entire life, and I've discovered,
you know, more and more that actually what I love

(01:08:11):
about it is when you can interact with an audience. And
sometimes that's that element is harder if you if you're
in a bigger venue, In a larger venue which is
a little bit more impersonal.

Speaker 11 (01:08:21):
Some of the smaller well you know, smaller mid.

Speaker 23 (01:08:23):
Medium sized venues, you can do that, you can actually
interact with you can hear what everyone says in the room.
And in fact, recently I was doing a run in
a theater in London which was quite a cozy West
End theater. You know, it's one of those sort of
small Victorian theaters where you can literally hear every single
but if there's any comment from anyone in the room,

(01:08:44):
you can hear it. And that was just a joy
to do that, and in fact it led to a
wonderful conversation with somebody about nuclear fusion, and then it
ended up with me being invited to the UK Atomic
Energy authorities.

Speaker 11 (01:09:00):
For at all and so.

Speaker 23 (01:09:02):
But things like that happen in those in those situations.
If you love comedy as I do, then you know,
you just want to get close to the audience. And
sometimes it's not feasible sometimes, you know, the practicalities of
touring mean that you end up in larger venues and
I and equally then the show becomes more of a spectacle.

Speaker 11 (01:09:22):
And I sort of like that as well.

Speaker 23 (01:09:23):
I mean I kind of adapt the show to fit
the space in a way.

Speaker 3 (01:09:27):
Tell me something, every time you come here, you sell out.
Why do we love you so much?

Speaker 23 (01:09:31):
I don't know, I mean, I would say this right
and that is that I've put in the hours, if
you like, I've been coming to New Zealand now for
nearly thirty years, and over that time, I think, as
someone said very eloquently, most of life is showing up.
And so if you if you turn up somewhere and
you show willing, then I think you draw people along

(01:09:54):
with you. And I think that over the years I've
hopefully formed a bit of a bond with New Zealand
order and you know, they've they've found me as it
were when I first turned up. Of course, you know,
nobody knew I was, and so you have to you know,
some people would come along and just just doing a.

Speaker 11 (01:10:11):
Sort of random night out. It was this bloke.

Speaker 23 (01:10:13):
And then gradually over the years people get to know
what your stuff is and you sort of develop an
audience as you go. And first of fact, I think
there's quite a lot of similarity between our senses of humor.
I think there's a sort of a shared love of
the absurd and a love of language, and a love
of the general sort of oddity of life. Plus you know,

(01:10:35):
a sort of a kind of I find that the
New Zealand comedy are very warm and very and self deprecatory,
like very much like British comedy. So I think we
have a lot in common. There's an affinity between us.

Speaker 3 (01:10:47):
Well, it has been delight to talk to you, Bill.
Thank you very much for your time. Look forward to
seeing you when you're here.

Speaker 11 (01:10:51):
Thank you very much. I will see you then.

Speaker 3 (01:10:53):
Brilliant Phil Bailey coming with the tour of Vaudevillian. He
will be here from the end of October all the
way through to the end of November, and he's going
to Queenstown and Vigagil duneed an Omaru, christ Church, Nelson,
Hawks Bay, Wellington, Auckland, Palmston, North, New Plymouth, Rotu, Hamilton.
Absolutely nobody is going to miss out. How good is that?
Eight twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:11):
Heather Duplicy Ellen on the Mic hosting Breakfast with al Vida, Retirement,
Communities News, togs Head b Hither.

Speaker 3 (01:11:18):
You can do all the New York Time games for free.
You just need to download their app. Oh hold on,
although next text although today it isn't free, it's for
a random that's the no. That's because you probably haven't
played it in a long time, and it hasn't been
free for a very long time. I play it every day,
which is how I know that it's not what I
try to play it every day. Still, it's still not free.
That's why I don't then get it. It's a complicated

(01:11:40):
thing that I'm doing. By the way, are you impressed
if I tell you that my wordle streak right now
is five hundred and twenty nine, and if I get
wordled today again, it's five hundred and thirty? Is that impressive?

Speaker 8 (01:11:51):
It's only impressive if you're like averaging two or three
every time.

Speaker 3 (01:11:56):
I'm averaging three, I'm averaging three. Blow No, we'll Actually
that's a liear, isn't it. I'm often striking three. But
because I'm.

Speaker 8 (01:12:04):
Not, I'm more of a median than an Ever I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Getting a three is a median?

Speaker 19 (01:12:08):
Four?

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Well, this is probably let's just I'm just gonna just
stop lying. Okay, it's four. It'll be four if I
get a broken if I get a long run of three's.
I'm feeling pretty pretty pleased with myself. But I've turned
into a psycho about it, so it's kind of the
fun has been lost somewhat because now I feel like
I have to do it every day, regardless of how
naked I am you know, like two hours sleep, still
got to do it. By the way, I got enough
sleep last night, went to Better eight. Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
And do you get the whole peer pressure thing, like
you connected with people and they say, oh, I got
it into today.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
And now what's So I'm with the husband and he's
really annoying. A minute with the husband and a minute
with two others who are often very drunk when they're
doing it, so they bring a bit of fun to it.
But the husband's two competitive, so he waits because he
knows I'm starting every day with the same word, which
is a due, because I'm waiting for a due to happen,
so and I really want to get that one.

Speaker 8 (01:12:55):
It's like people who play the same lotto numbers every week.

Speaker 3 (01:12:57):
Exactly, I'm the lost O person and I'm going to
take out the power on some stage. But the trouble
is he waits till I share my results, and then
he knows that I started with a duce, so then
he just assumed he knows where some of the letters are,
or like, you know, he gives him an advantage, so
he comes in one underway.

Speaker 8 (01:13:09):
He gives him a real advantage too, because if you go,
I've got it in one, then he knows, and then
he'll also get it in wait.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
So it's such a it's difficult for me to have
to suppress all of these feels about it and only
raise them later on sort of, you know, like late
in the evening.

Speaker 8 (01:13:23):
I've never done it ever, not what he's ever.

Speaker 3 (01:13:26):
Done word or that would be because you're cool and
I'm not, which actually.

Speaker 8 (01:13:30):
Inside I think I'm just afraid that I wouldn't be
able to do it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:34):
You would still be much cooler than me for having
done it for five hundred and twenty nine days in
a row, which is incredibly lame. Incidentally, by the way,
on that there is a study that has been done
on this on on what you need to you do
not get You're not cool because your friend's told you
cool because you're wearing cool jeans. You are cool because
you're cool, and there are six attributes you have to
have and run you through that shortly, just really quickly.
On Aaron Patterson, did you ever wonder how she managed

(01:13:55):
to afford the legal fees because she had a top
top legal firm, dog George, she had a case and
she had a veteran barris down like a spunky looking
junior council and stuff. What happened was Granny died nineteen
years ago. Unsure if it involved beef, Wellington left her
two million dollars. She got that used that she sold
a second property, Mount Waverley Home one million, and then

(01:14:19):
just so they gave her three million. And then just
before the start of the trial, the firm took out
a mortgage on her home just to secure their funds.
That's how she paid for it. News is next.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
She said, this life forever and so he has to
get there. Then less lead we could dance. We can
dance on that. The only report you need to start
your day.

Speaker 2 (01:14:44):
Heather duper c Allen on the mic Hosking Breakfast with Vida, Retirement, Communities,
Life your Way, News, togs Head be.

Speaker 3 (01:14:51):
Heather, I loved your interview with Bill Bailey. My husband
and I always see his show when he visits New Zealand.
He's a great comedian and musician. I remember seeing him
at the Auckland Zoo about twenty years ago in the
playground with his kids. He's a very down to earth
man and a great dad too. Actually, because you know
that he's spending about a month in the country, and
if you're spending a month in the country, you got
to bring the kids and take them to places like
the zoo. So it's nice. It's nice to hear that

(01:15:12):
he makes the most of it. Tom has sent me
the wordle word. Tom, you know that that's a really
uncool thing to do, but I did it any and
so I got wordle in one today. So now I've
got a streak of five hundred and thirty, thank you
very much, Tom, although not as good as the nine
to nine to eight somebody else has.

Speaker 8 (01:15:27):
And hopefully Barry's not listening, and then you can tell
him I got wordle in one. He then puts ade
in so he can also get it in one, and
then gets it wrong, and so you beat him.

Speaker 3 (01:15:38):
You I do not have an evil enough mind for it,
but you do. And so we're gonna Yeah, I'll keep
you posted on how that goes tomorrow. It's and it
calls all kinds of drama. Twenty two Away from.

Speaker 15 (01:15:48):
Night International Correspondence with ends in eye Insurance Peace of
Mind for New Zealand business Ron Little as.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Our UK torresponding a morning Rod. Can you believe it's
been twenty years and Steve.

Speaker 12 (01:16:01):
It's hard to imagine, isn't it, And yet that's where
we are. We've had twenty years of kind of never
quite as bad as that, but similar assaults on the
British mainland, and that one took the country by surprise,
even if perhaps it shouldn't have done, given what had
happened in America four years earlier, fifty two people killed

(01:16:23):
by a number of bombs, three on the underground and
one on a bus, all done by Islamists, Muslim Islamists
who came down from Yorkshire specifically for that fact, and
the sensitivities are still kind of with us today. For example,
if you've read the BBC's account of the commemorations which

(01:16:48):
were held today, which involved Kemy Badenoch Badenoch Ruther and
the London Mayor and the Prime Minister and all the
leaders of the opposition parties all gathering together will paying
their respects. In this enormously long article, the word Islam
or Muslim does not appear once. So there is still

(01:17:12):
this great sensitivity about what we say about these sorts
of things, how we demarcate them, whether they're connected to
Islam or not. And now need to avoid demonizing the
Muslim community in this country, which of course, in the
last twenty years is almost doubled in size.

Speaker 3 (01:17:31):
The question that's also been posed by the BBC is
whether you guys are any safer now in the UK
than you were twenty years ago.

Speaker 12 (01:17:38):
What do you think I would have thought twice is
unsafe given that there is a proportion of the older
Muslim community which which is to do us harm, and
as the Muslim community is doubled, there are now twice
as many presumably within that within that trance we want
to do its harm. Not the majority. The other roelming majority,

(01:17:59):
of course, want no such thing. I think to put
that into a bit of context, the intelligence services have
unquestionably foiled many attacks. It's possible that they missed this
particular attack in London in two thousand and seven. In
two thousand and five, brother, it's possible they missed that.

(01:18:22):
But since then they have improved considerably, and there is
a seriousness now with which they treat the threat of
Islamic tourism, which prior to that we didn't really know
very much about and haven't really experienced.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
Rod, do you think that there is not much hope
of Stamer being able to get a deal on the
migrants with France.

Speaker 12 (01:18:43):
My suspicion is he possibly will get a deal on
the migrants. But there's a bigger reason for this being important,
and that's that given their success in defeating a very
very weak prime minister, how you can be a weak
prime minister with the majority is something which will confound
me forever. But they beat him down on welfare payments,

(01:19:06):
on what knownice the pips payments, and they now think
they can get away with anything. And there is a
fairly large group of labor redpeaces who simply do not
believe that any restriction should be placed upon refugees frankly,
and that the more the merrier, and that is a

(01:19:26):
real problem for fust Starma.

Speaker 3 (01:19:28):
So do you think, I mean, is this going to
be the future of Starmer's entire term where he just
gets poshed around by the back bench and by rebellious inpace.

Speaker 12 (01:19:38):
I fear it is because, of course we also had
over the weekend the chaotic announcement of a new political
party on the left led by Zarah Sultana and Jeremy Corby.
So there was that which is a threat to him
and will take quotes. You know, no matter how useless
it is, and no matter how stupid Sultana is and

(01:19:58):
she is really really stupid, they will get some votes.
So here's been a principal movement there, which is the
lib Dems, the Greens and these new parties. Because there
are others, all of them are to the left of
Labor and so I think what you will see over
the next four years is maybe Starmer giving up his
attempt to regain the red wall and tacking quite vigorously

(01:20:22):
to the left.

Speaker 3 (01:20:23):
Rod, good to talk to you. Thank you so much, Rod,
Little UK correspondent seen regize. Okay, here are the six
things that you need to be cool. This is according
to a study that's been published this month in the
Journal of Experimental Psychology. You need to be extroverted, you
need to be hedonistic. You need to be powerful, adventurous,
open and autonomous. So basically what you need to do

(01:20:46):
is you need to be in charge of yourself. You
need to be up for fun, but then you need
to actually be looking for that fun as well, and
then you need to be fun to be around. And
if you've got all of that stuff, if you're basically
fun and able to control your you know, what you
do with your time. Then people going to look at
you and they're going to think that you're cool. So
it's not just like I mean, I don't know about you,
but when I was when I was little, my mum
was like, that person's not cool. You just think they're

(01:21:07):
coiled because they've got blue hair. That doesn't make them cool. Well,
actually the blue hair was nothing to do with it.
I thought that they were cool because they had these
six attributes most likely. And the interesting thing is that
these researchers looked across six thousand people across a dozen
countries Ossie, Chile, China, Germany, India, Mexico, Nigeria, Spain, South Africa,
South Korea, Turkey, United States, and so you know you

(01:21:28):
can I mean, these cultures will have completely different perceptions
of what cool is, you know. I mean, one place
it may be that your genes are fled and another
place maybe that your feet are small or your ear
lobes are huge, or you've you know, shaved your hair
into a mohawk or whatever. It could be any number
of things that make you cool. But that's not what
it's about, right, It's about whether you've got these these
particular attributes, which is the first time apparently that we've

(01:21:50):
realized this. Anyway, Not only did they look at I'm
not cool by the way I thought about.

Speaker 8 (01:21:54):
It, did you take any of those boxes?

Speaker 3 (01:21:56):
I just don't like fun enough. I just I think
it's fun.

Speaker 8 (01:22:00):
I scored a zero on everything.

Speaker 3 (01:22:02):
Yeah, it doesn't matter, because we can still come in
on the.

Speaker 8 (01:22:05):
I do even reckon I'm that hedonistic, No, aren't you.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
I'm definitely not. I mean, I think if you if
you're the kind of person who needs to go to
bed at eight o'clock at night, Glenn, you're clearly not
fun and you're very not cool. You can, though, be
a good person if the attributes for a good person
apparently are to be calm, conscientious, universalistic, whatever the hell
that means, agreeable, warm, secure, traditional, and conforming. And I'm

(01:22:32):
that absolutely lose the first word calm, not at all.

Speaker 8 (01:22:36):
I'm just just looking up universalistic now. I'll get back
to you on what that means.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Thanks. It was basically Sam can't type fast enough for
Glenn to be able to pretend that he knows what
it means. Called to to the Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Asking Breakfast Full Show Podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard by News talks.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
A be.

Speaker 3 (01:22:54):
Hither what happened to kind Yeah nah, kind na not
cool and not good? As it turns out, universalistic is
something that is related to or characterized by universalism. That's
a concept that emphasizes universal I feel like we're just
repeating the same word. He have different variations of it.
It's the belief that certain things apply to all people
or all things, regardless of differences. So an example would

(01:23:15):
be like if Willie Jackson is arguing that you need
to have special rights because you're Ewie, then he's not universalistic,
so he's not good. But David Seymour's arguing that everybody
needs to have the same rights, therefore he's good. Yeah,
I can and we all not a lot and agree
with that. Now I need to talk to you about
the ambulances because it's in the papers today. The coroners

(01:23:37):
looked into the death of somebody who's waiting for an
ambo and has revealed deep concerns over a number of
serious and compounding mistakes that are made in dealing with
the one one calls now what happened is October twenty
twenty two, a man tripped and fell off the side
of his driveway and he fell down and he indicated
he was conscious, but indicated to his family it was
clearly not okay. As to the family called the ambo.

(01:23:59):
The family he had to call the ambo five times
before the ambo came, and the last time the only
reason the ambo actually came was because by then he
was unconscious and not breathing, so the AMBO was like, oh,
might have to go help there. Anyway, forty five minutes
had passed, he was dead. Now it's not clear whether
an AMBO would have saved him or not. You can't
you can never really truly prove something like that. But

(01:24:21):
what went wrong is that the first few first few
times the family called, they coded, they sent an ambo,
but they coded at orange or something like that was
not particularly important. They didn't think that the person was
in much trouble, and so both times that the AMBO
was sent, it was just dispatched to other places, more
high priority jobs. Not the only case. The problem here
is it's not the only case of this happening, because
you had the teenager who died of an asthma attack.

(01:24:42):
For God's sake in July twenty twenty. They waited that
teenager waited twenty eight minutes for an amber. And then
the man who was experiencing classic heart attack symptoms who
died while his wife was driving him to hospital because
they didn't send him an amber. Anyway, there have been
one hundred and sixty six complaints about ambos to Health
and Disability to the and Disability Commissioner in about five
years time. So I think now there's no point in

(01:25:05):
complaining about something that you cannot fix. But I think
what you need to do is you need to basically
make contingency plans. Sit down today, have a look at
the most easy route to pop your family member into
the car and drive to the hospital, because that's how
you're going to get them there. You're not going to
get a NAMBO. I would certainly wouldn't take my chances.
Nine away from nine here.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
The dutilus Y Allen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
the land Rover Discovery News to.

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
Be here that the ambo turns up, they get a
punch in the head. Suppose so seven away from nine
now the Coadrona Hotel and Pub. You will have heard
Mike talking about this last week. It looks like it's
going to be the most viewed property of the year online.
It's been listed. It's only been listed a week now.
I don't even think it's a week. I think it
was Thursday in today's two year na, not not even
a full week. Yet. It's still got a way to go, right,

(01:25:50):
It's still got to beat some pretty big listings, Paul
Henry's remy where a Mansion went off. I looked at that,
did you? That was hilarious? He was hilarious. That's why
I looked at it. But it is getting so many
hits at the moment that by the time it actually
gets to sell, which is about August fifteen, it will
probably have beaten Paul Henry's rebuer a Mansion been up
eighty six at the point that it has been up

(01:26:11):
a little bit longer than that now, But at the
point that it had been up eighty six hours, it
had fetched almost twenty one thousand views. That's four hits
every minute, not bad, A six away from.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Nine trending Now MS Warehouse your home of winter Essentials.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
Now, I cannot accurately explain to you how much furroorri
there's online right now over the Epstein files. If you
missed it. After promising over and over again that all
the files would be released in that infamous photo of
all of the Justice Departments staff holding up their classified
files to the media to show it would be coming out.
The DOJ has now declared there was no issue, Epstein
wasn't murdered and the files will not be released. Que

(01:26:48):
the outrage, and boy, there is a lot of outrage
from the mega faithful and others. And of course one
of the first things reference was Elon's post a couple
of weeks back when he said that Trump was in
the files and that's why they haven't been made public yet.
Of course, one of the first things we were told
way back was that the jail was that the jail
CCTV was raised by technical errors, right, so there was

(01:27:08):
no evidence. But yet we now mysteriously have eleven hours
of camera footage that shows allegedly that no one entered
his cell in the hours before he committed suicide. Conspiracy
noise exactly. Carolyn Levitt got challenged by Fox about it all.

Speaker 25 (01:27:25):
So what happened to the Epstein client list that the
Attorney General said she had on her desk.

Speaker 18 (01:27:31):
Well, I think if you go back and look at
what the Attorney General said in that interview, which was
on your network on Fox News.

Speaker 25 (01:27:37):
Go ahead, and Roberts said, DOJ may be releasing the
list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients. Will that really happen? And
she said, it's sitting on my desk right now to review.

Speaker 3 (01:27:46):
Now, let's review the tape of Pambondi being so proud
that they were going to release the files on the
client list.

Speaker 12 (01:27:52):
The dog may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.

Speaker 8 (01:27:56):
Well, that really happen.

Speaker 26 (01:27:58):
It's sitting on my desk right now. Review. That's been
a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm reviewing
JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process of
being reviewed because that was done at the directive of
the president from all of these agencies.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
So there was a client list sitting on her desk
to be reviewed. But now there is not a client list.
Super transparent, right.

Speaker 18 (01:28:25):
They committed to an exhaustive investigation, that's what they did,
and they provided the results of that. That's transparency, is it.

Speaker 3 (01:28:35):
Look, I'm I'm ice, i am not going I'm not
getting involved in this. I'm not because I just I
think there are times where you have to back out
and you have to say, something weird is going on here,
Like something flew through the sky, isn't he U? They
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:28:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (01:28:50):
Hand out just some of all those DVDs and CD
ROMs that they seized from the apartment.

Speaker 3 (01:28:55):
Maybe I think it should be a free for all
at this stage. I mean, what are we protecting, right, dud.
Let's have a look at it. Anyway, enjoy yourself today.
I will see you tomorrow. And by the way, yes
we've we've reviewed the evidence and the cool list of
six things Mike is definitely cool. One see you tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (01:29:25):
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