Full Show Podcast: 11 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New Zealand's home for trusted news and views.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
Heather Duplicy Alan on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with the
land Rover Discovery never Stop discovering News, togs Head, be.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Morning and welcome. Coming up today, the government's cracking down
on scams with an alliance of scambusters. It looks like
important Gas is a little bit of an expensive part dream.
We're gonna have to drop that idea. We can also
chat to d mack ahead of tomorrow's test. Mitch McCann
is in the States, Dennis Shanahan is an Aussie, and
we're going to wrap the week with Tim and Trisha
after eight.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
Heather Duplicy Alien.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Do not blows my mind is that there are people
who genuinely think that the government should buy out climate
damaged homes apparently forever. And these are not stupid people.
We're talking about academics and experts. But they have reacted
very badly to that expert advice that the government got
yesterday telling it to stop buying out flooded houses in
the next twenty years. These guys say it's morally bankrupt

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not to buy them out, and it's quote not in
the best interests of the country to essentially leave it
to people's in de the dual decisions. Now, I would
argue that is exactly what we need to do, because
never mind being morally bankrupt, mopping up bad individual decisions
will leave us actually bankrupt. Think of this, someone's got
two billion today, We'll say today, someone's got two billion
dollars for a beach house. Now, they can either buy

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a house up a hill where they know that it's
going to be safe from rising water, or they can
buy a house right on the beach, where they might
in fact get flooded and probably will. Where should they buy, Well,
if the experts have their way, they should put that
two million dollars straight into a house right next to
the beach, because we all know being next to the
beach is a better spot. And frankly, they can afford

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to take their chances because if the water does reach them,
the government will simply buy the house and give them
their two million dollars back. That's perverse. People like that
need to know that the game is up. Sure, buy
the place next to the beach if you want to,
but you're on your own twenty years. People are still
to this day, mind bogglingly building on floodplaines, putting houses
in dumb places. And that's even after the cyclone Gabrielle

(01:57):
swallowed the Esk Valley in the Auckland floods drowned West Auckland.
If you accept climate science, then you accept that we
are not stopping climate change. Targets are not being met. Mitigation,
which is the cutting of emissions, is not working. All
we have left now is adaptation, which is moving out
of the way, building yourself a sea wall, strengthening bridges,
and not buying houses in dumb places. So no, the

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government should not keep bailing out bad decisions forever.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
News of the World in ninety seconds after.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Their love fest. Over the last thirty hours, Kierra Macron
have held a presser to explain how the two countries
will fix everything.

Speaker 4 (02:33):
It is important to the UK and to France, but
it is really important in this age that we show
that social democracy has the answers to the threats that
we face across Europe and across the world.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
The UK public haven't been overly enamored with Macron and
some of the issues he's been speaking about that are
affecting the UK, so he doubled down and hit out
at Brixit a bunch.

Speaker 5 (02:53):
Of tree immigration, legal growth problems of the UK nine
years ago. Were these by brexit onswer No, they're being
sold by a government that wants to recommit with its
trusted partners in Europe.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
The UK is also cracking down on illegal migrant workers,
with a big issue in the food delivery space.

Speaker 6 (03:12):
We've put a new part of the law into the
Board Security Bill which has gone through Parliament, which will
extend our ability to find them sixty pounds per worker
to gig economy the gig economy sector.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
A new security report has revealed around spies in the
UK haven't been quite as sneaky as they thought they were.

Speaker 7 (03:34):
The attacks on individuals here, the indiscriminent nature and recklessness
of them could involve innocent bystanders and that's the concern.
And I think our scripts have been very good at
thwarteen fifteen attacks over the last few.

Speaker 3 (03:48):
Years, and Stammer and Streeting still are not budging when
it comes to those doctor strikes.

Speaker 8 (03:53):
I will not and cannot negotiate on this year's pay award.
I'm not going to lead resident doctors up the garden
path by making promises unless I know I can keep
them stateside.

Speaker 3 (04:08):
It's been a year since the attempted assassination of Trump
in Butler and the other victims are still waiting for accountability.

Speaker 9 (04:14):
They're hiding the Secret Service for some reason for just
hiding them. I don't know why they will not come
out and say what they did wrong and admit their
fulton all this.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Finally, we now have a new most expensive handbag in
the world. A month ago on the show, we told
you that Jane Berkins first ever Birken handbag is up auction.
It's absolutely smashed all expectations. It's sold for sixteen point
seven million New Zealand dollars, which breaks the record. The
hammer came down at thirteen point six mel. But then
there are a whole lot of fees attached to it

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and so on. So what was the old record? A
diamond and crocodile cali bag which sold for affordably a
measly eight hundred and fifty two thousand dollars. I feel
like somebody's overpaid somewhere. Don't you think that is news
of the world. In ninety seconds on Macron, I tell
you what I cannot believe this morning, those two women
who did that four hour podcast claiming that Brigitte mcron

(05:11):
is a man, they have just been cleared by a court.
A court reckons that claiming for four hours that Brigitte
mcron is a man does not constitute defamation and instead
represents good faith free speech. What they said, let me
remind you, for four hours on YouTube was that she
was born as a baby boy. Baby boy's name was

(05:31):
Jean Michelle. That's actually the name of her brother, and
that her first husband never existed. So yeah, entirely believable.
Thirteen past six.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
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Speaker 3 (05:48):
Hey, just going back to something yesterday that lizard decision.
Looks at the development since I spoke to you yesterday
as it looks like Doc is going to do a
U turn on the lizards. But I think the more
interesting thing here is how we came to be in this,
Like what happened to lead us to the point where
Doc said, no, I'm going to speak to Tama Pawtucket
about it. After half past six, I've got to tell
you that story at some stage. It's quarter pass right now,

(06:10):
Andrew callaher JMI Wealth is with me.

Speaker 10 (06:12):
Morning Andrew, Good morning, Heather.

Speaker 3 (06:14):
What do you make of that migration data?

Speaker 11 (06:16):
Oh?

Speaker 10 (06:17):
We all love migration data, don't we.

Speaker 12 (06:18):
It seems to be one of those bits of data
that everyone seems to want to talk about. Look, but
before I talk about it, it is particularly susceptible to revision,
so we don't you know, we get these provisional numbers.

Speaker 10 (06:29):
We don't get the actual numbers for months after the
lease of the data. But Heather, we we analyze it nonetheless.

Speaker 12 (06:36):
So yeah, for the record, that permanent and long term
migration up one thousand, five hundred and thirty people for
the month. Annual level sitting at just under fifteen thousand,
fourteen thousand, eight hundred and nine. That number has fallen
to a two and a half year low. And if
we say compare it to the that's for twelve months
to the end of May. If we compare it to
the twelve months at the end of May twenty twenty four,

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that annual number was just over eighty thousand. So it's
gone from eighty thoy to fifteen which is a pretty
dramatic turnaround, isn't it.

Speaker 10 (07:05):
And there's no hiding from this number. This is kind
of real. I do like to.

Speaker 12 (07:09):
Look at the revisions, Heather, because the direction of revisions
is always telling.

Speaker 10 (07:14):
So we've seen quite a.

Speaker 12 (07:16):
Lot of downward revisions this month to recent data, which
sort of gives you the feel for the momentum. And
it's a story of slowing arrivals of non New Zealand
citizens they don't want to come here anymore, and record
permanent long term departures that includes New Zealand citizens. So look, look,
it is pretty much a barometer on the New zeal economy.
And the cliche that people are voting with their feet,

(07:37):
it's actually quite apt right now, so we can use it.
We keep thinking about the possibility of net permanent long
term migration turning negative, you know, so we actually losing people.
The direction travel is definitely going that way. I think
it's unlikely, but I would say I'm not sure how
scientific that assessment is.

Speaker 10 (07:55):
What does it all mean?

Speaker 12 (07:56):
Well, Heather, our economic growth has been flattered migration, flattered
by migration, and we've tended just to add people to
the population, and you get people here and they do stuff.

Speaker 10 (08:07):
The lack of it coming.

Speaker 12 (08:08):
In now is one of those factors contributing to the
lackluster economy. It also means there's one less factor putting
upward pressure on prices in general, so less demand. The
RB and Z will note that, and specifically one less
important demand.

Speaker 10 (08:22):
Factor in the housing market.

Speaker 12 (08:24):
So we're not seeing any pressure in the rental market
at the moment's definitely dropped. And the trend that we
particularly love to note, the Aussie effect.

Speaker 10 (08:31):
Yeah, we're heading there in big numbers.

Speaker 12 (08:33):
So I think Andrew Dickens just said his son has
just headed off to work in Melbourne. Mine's been working
in Melbourne as well, though all the kids seem to
be there.

Speaker 10 (08:41):
Stats highlighted this as well. So net thirty thousand.

Speaker 12 (08:44):
People went to Australia in the twenty twenty four year,
quite similar to twenty twenty three actually, but the biggest
numbers is twenty twelve. That year was forty four thousand
people fled across the ditch and roughly sixty percent of
the New Zealand citizens who depart go to Australia. It
is the magnet, It's always been the magnet that probably
always will be.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, probably so. I mean, if you love the stats
data or migration You're going to love the trucking data
as well, aren't you.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
I love trucks.

Speaker 10 (09:11):
I love this data.

Speaker 12 (09:12):
There's something very tangible about counting cars and trucks. No subjectivity,
no server. They're either there or they're not. Not much
to cheer about in this two pieces of data, like traffic.
I always remind people good indicator of the state of
demand as opposed to production. Gives you a six month
lead on momentum in the economy. It fell one point
three percent. If you take a step back year on year,

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there's a faint upward slope in the data here.

Speaker 10 (09:37):
I emphasize faint.

Speaker 12 (09:38):
It's up zero point nine percent year on Yet heavy
traffic data trucks buses.

Speaker 10 (09:43):
Are better stre on production.

Speaker 12 (09:45):
Freight associated with hostol RETOL trade fell one point three percent,
same as light traffic, but there is a three percent
growth year on year.

Speaker 10 (09:51):
That's encouraging.

Speaker 12 (09:53):
Suggest there is some sort of economic recovery. Nothing frothy heather,
But that last little piece of data is a slightly positive.
To sort of close out the week, I.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Guess absolutely, Hey, and you want to talk about in video.

Speaker 12 (10:05):
Very quickly, market look, look ponder this. Over the weekend,
the market capitalization of in Nvidia is now through four
trillion dollars. That's worth more than the value of all
the listed companies in Germany. So Germany, one of the
world's biggest economies, in Vidia is worth worth more than
all of it.

Speaker 10 (10:25):
Ponder this over the weekend. Is Germany too cheap? Or
is in video too expensive?

Speaker 13 (10:29):
There?

Speaker 10 (10:29):
You can argue that one over the dinner table over
the weekend.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Very good question, actually right. Give us the numbers, yep Dal.

Speaker 12 (10:35):
Jones finishing the week at the moment up three hundred
and one points point six eight percent. So don't worry
about the trade towers, don't worry about any of that stuff.
Just keep buying the market forty four seven hundred and
sixty one. The S and P five hundred is up
twenty four points six two eight seven that's point three
nine percent, and the Nasdaq up thirty seven points twenty thousand,
six hundred and forty seven.

Speaker 10 (10:54):
It's up per point one seven percent overnight.

Speaker 12 (10:57):
The forty to one hundred had a good night, actually
up one point two three percent eight nine seven five.
The Nicke, though fell one hundred and seventy five points
point four four percent three nine sixty four six to
the close there Shanghai compase it was up just under
half a percent eight five oh nine.

Speaker 10 (11:12):
The Ossie's gained point five nine.

Speaker 12 (11:14):
Percent on the ASEX two hundred yesday, closing at eight
five eight nine.

Speaker 10 (11:17):
We lost eight points in the insects fifty twelve seven hundred.

Speaker 12 (11:21):
And sixty one key we dollar on the wholesale markets
this morning, We'll buy you zero point six h two
three US dollars point nine one five nine ossie point
five one five to Euro point four four to three.

Speaker 10 (11:31):
Seven against the pound eighty eight point one.

Speaker 12 (11:33):
Four Japanese end gold three thousand, three hundred and seventeen
dollars and Brent Crudis just drifted off a little bit
to end the week sixty eight dollars and seventy one cents.

Speaker 3 (11:42):
Good stuff. Enjoy your morning, Andrew, Andrew kallaher j and
my wealth Heather, both my boys both with degrees one
in London, one in Edinburgh. We have got a couple
of our couple of our colleagues here at ZB have
headed off to the UK. Not in the end. This
is the important thing. And my brother keeps threatening as
well to head to the UK. And this is the
important thing. And this is the point that Paul Spoonley,

(12:03):
if you listen to him, keeps making. It's not the
ones you would have expected back in the old days.
It's not straight out of school, before you go to
before you go to UNI. You go to a gap year.
We're talking about guys in their thirties here. The three
of them are guys in their thirties who just had
agutz full want to try something else. Six twenty two.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
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Speaker 1 (12:25):
At b.

Speaker 14 (12:27):
Heather.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
I usually agree with you, but not with your intro.
Flooding in recent years has been from rivers poor management
to that, and not from sea rise affecting beach houses.
And if you buy up a hell you're at risk
of slips. Fair points is just just a demonstration of
bad decisions that are being made by the way. Trump
has just had an obstacle in his attempt to end
the birthright citizenship. A federal judge has just blocked it

(12:48):
a few hours ago. It's made the ruling in New Hampshire,
but the judge reckons it applies nationwide.

Speaker 15 (12:52):
Six twenty five trending now with chemist warehouses celebrate big
brands and biggest savings.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
We've all done it, or we've had a brother who's
done it. Riding around on your bike, take your hands
off the handlebars. See how long you can go for right,
so it's like a ride a passage as a kid.
Do not do it, for the love of God. Next
time you're in London. London Police have launched their Safer
City Streets campaign where they focus on quote offenses that
matter to the community, like cyclists going through right red

(13:20):
lights and apparently that also means cyclists taking their hands
off the handlebars because it's a human rights violation.

Speaker 11 (13:27):
I would disagree with you.

Speaker 16 (13:28):
Okay, that's fighting.

Speaker 17 (13:30):
So anyone cycling no handed in Russia and say one
is going to.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Get ticketed if I see them, they are And.

Speaker 17 (13:36):
You think that you think that is a valuable use
of City London Police time when bike theft is endemic,
you don't even investigate most bike there let me finish.
And where there's phone snatching going on, you could be
getting robbers to ticket Laura abiding citizen cycling no hand
is Do you think that's an honestly good use City
London police.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Time, so cycling with their hands on the hand of glass.

Speaker 18 (13:55):
Yeah, okay, this is other road road use sugress.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
No it doesn't, How does it?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
How does it?

Speaker 17 (14:05):
This is an amazing cycling No handed violates Article two
of the Human Rights Act? Is that the right to life?

Speaker 3 (14:14):
Who is this man? Give him an award? The video
has gone viral as you can imagine, the cops are
not amazingly not backing down on this. Man says he
was given a ticket for careless and inconsiderate cycling and
the cops said he's welcome to contestant in court. And frankly,
I think he should crowd fund for his defense. I
think everybody's going to come for him and help him
out on that one. I told you yesterday the cops

(14:34):
in UK have lost their minds, haven't they Keep keep
an eye you see a cops story from the UK.
It's always just going after the wrong guys and not
the right guys. Told you yesterday about Greg Wallace from
Master Chef getting a sack from the Bee. He has
now also been banned by the BBC not safe to
have in the workplace after the Sophomer Williams that in
Tarver agree with him entirely. Come at Paul Tucker, Minister

(14:56):
in charge of DOC on the lizard you turn.

Speaker 19 (14:58):
Next, setting the agenda and talking the big issues either
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Speaker 6 (15:17):
He'd be.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
We're going to go to the US shortly with Mitch McCann.
Real pressure on those guys in Texas about the failure
to stop the flooding front. Well, you obviously stop the alerting.
They didn't do anything to alert people that the flooding
was going to happen. Also, I can't even describe to
you how ugly the Wellington mayoral race has just gone.
With an emails that's just been revealed. I'm going to

(15:38):
read you bits from it and you make up your
own mind about that. We'll do that shortly twenty two
away from seven.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
I was looking at the lizards.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
On the What looks like Doc is going to do
a u turnover those lizards. They initially told mccray's mine
in Central Otago no, they couldn't expand ten thousand lizards
might die. But then after media attention yesterday they'd taken
another look at the application. Come up, Paul Tucker, the
Conservation Minister and with us down morning again.

Speaker 20 (16:02):
Commer kurty head, they're great to talk with you again.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
Is it going to be a yes.

Speaker 20 (16:08):
Well, that's a matter that Doc and Oceana worked on
yesterday that at a very productive meeting. I expect that
they're going to progress that application very swiftly environmental pregnantism
and within the rules.

Speaker 3 (16:20):
Did you tell Doc to have another look at it.

Speaker 20 (16:25):
I've found out about this matter and I've said to Doc,
look what has happened here. They've admitted that infested up.
There was a miscommunication. They weren't clear about information requirements
for the customer, Oceana Gold, and they declined it too quickly.
So they have reviewed that and convened a very quick
career with Oceana Gold senior management yesterday.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
Why did they decline it too quickly?

Speaker 20 (16:48):
Look, they received applications over a period of time with
oceany they were not clear about the information requirements and
this matter was not ultimately escalated to the senior management
team and were then dock. They've made a decision and
declined when they should have gone back to Oceana and said, look,
this is really what we need to do in order

(17:10):
to get this as a plan sorted in time for
you to carry on your good work down there in Otago.

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Did they decline it too quickly, because actually you've put
the screws on DOC to get through that backlog of
applications and they've declined a whole bunch really quickly.

Speaker 11 (17:25):
No.

Speaker 20 (17:26):
No, they just were not clear about the information requirements.
And for me, I've been really clear about my expectation
when there's a situation like this, follow the rules, but
be environmentally pragmatic and be aware of the economic context
that this country's are operated in right now as well.
Just be aware you do.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
Are you absolutely confident there aren't going to be other
cases like this that pop up get media attention. Docs
made a dumb call and they're going to have to
go look at it again. Are you sure? Well they've declined,
they've just whipped through what is what was there? Their
list in September was about thirteen hundred applications.

Speaker 20 (18:03):
It's five hundred hours five hundred Now. I've been assured
by DOC that they do not want to be undertaking
the mohey, that they're doing and miscommunicating with people, and
that's my expectation. They have to be very careful and
communicate clearly with customers, be customer focused and the customer assistance.

Speaker 3 (18:23):
I've been pointed to possibly another stuff up by them,
which is Corkerdy Lime Quarry in the West Coast. You
aware of this.

Speaker 20 (18:28):
One, I'm not aware. I am aware of one of
the Kukadi lime ones that was sorted earlier this year,
but I'm not right down in the detail.

Speaker 3 (18:37):
So what's happened here. What's happened here is the Fergusons
have applied for fifteen hectares of land to be able
to get the line out because they need it. They
need it to keep floodwaters away and stuff like that.
So they've applied for fifteen hectares. They've just been given
one hectare. They only took the one hectare because they've
been waiting for five years for doc to give permission.
Now that seems to me like that's potentially a problem.

Speaker 20 (19:00):
Well, there's a number of applicants that have been weighing
a very very long time, and that's why I've been
clear with DOT you need to go onto it and
make decisions, but be very very aware of the context
that you're operating in and be environmentally pragmatic. Countries is a.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Solution to it, to go yeah, you can do it,
but only six percent of what you want.

Speaker 13 (19:20):
Now.

Speaker 20 (19:21):
I'm not across the entire details of that particular issue Heaven,
and that's matter that I can raise. But I've just
set expectations and i expect them to be met.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
All right, Tom, I listen, Thank you as always for
your time. You have yourself a lovely day. We'll talk
to you again soon. That's Tumma Pawtucker, Conservation Minister. Backstory
to this very interesting. I will tell you about that
later on. By the way, we're also going to talk
about the new scam scam crackdown from the government. They've
got the big guys, and they got the big banks.
They've got the big tailcos I've got Google, level's got Meta,
Facebook's parent company. Talked to Scott Simson, Minister of Consumer

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Affairs after seven. It's eighteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (19:55):
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Speaker 3 (20:02):
Here the doc really needs to communicate more clearly enough,
so then their minister needs to speak clearly as well.
Listen stand by for that Wellington email sixteen away from seven.

Speaker 2 (20:12):
International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind
for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
But the tan Us correspondent with feature story news how
low match Hi here, how are you very well? Thank you?
This Texas business is getting really quite I suppose that
really putting the screws on, aren't they?

Speaker 21 (20:29):
Yeah, they certainly are. At least one hundred and fifty
people are still missing in Central Texas. No survivors have
been found in a number of days, and the death
toie is now at one hundred and twenty. And one
of the stories emerging is the response or the lack
of response to these floods. There are reports that the
emergency alerts were first sent out to people's mobile phones
about quarter past one in the morning on the fourth

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of July. But even the county sheriff, who plays a
pretty critical role in this response, is he didn't know
about it until about five in the morning, when nine
to one one's started to come in. There was also
a meeting of mayors and judges earlier in the day
to talk about the possible flooding, but the mayor of Kerville,
where this was most affected. He said he knew nothing

(21:12):
about it and never received a call, So plenty of questions.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Talk to me about what's going on with these six
Secret Service members.

Speaker 21 (21:20):
Yeah, So Sunday marks one year since the assassination attempt
on Donald Trump. We remember it last year and Butler, Pennsylvania.
One person died, two were wounded, and of course Donald
Trump was struck in the ear by one of the bullets. Now,
the Secret Service Deputy director has given an interview here
in the US, and he's revealed what the ramifications were
for some of the Secret Service employees who were involved

(21:42):
in terms of what happened to them after the operational failure.

Speaker 16 (21:45):
He called it.

Speaker 21 (21:45):
What I found surprising is that no one was fired. Instead,
six personnel were suspended without pay for between ten and
forty two days. So no one was fired, but six
people were suspended.

Speaker 3 (21:58):
Do we know yet? I mean, have we got sufficient
answers from these people about what went wrong?

Speaker 9 (22:03):
Well?

Speaker 21 (22:04):
The Secret Services doing everything they can to fix what happened.
They say it was an operational failure. There wasn't enough
communication between the Secret Service and local law enforcement. But
the reason, they say they're not firing anyone is because
there's no point in quote, firing our way out of this.
They say they're going to focus on the root cause
and fix the deficiencies that put them there.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Mitch, do we know why the judges made this ruling
on the birthright citizenship?

Speaker 21 (22:29):
Well, the judges has made this ruling saying it was
a pretty easy call. Now this is interesting because a
couple of weeks ago, the US Supreme Court said that
local judges could not continue to issue these nationwide injunctions.
So what we've been seen is that Trump administration would
come up with the law and in some judge in
maybe New Hampshire or Texas or whatever, would issue an

(22:50):
injunction for the entire country. But the exception here is
that they can do that if it's a class action,
and that's what we've seen today. So there is a
national band and at the moment on this birthright citizenship,
but we can expect the administration to challenge it and
it's likely to go back to the Supreme Court. So,
like many of these Trump rulings, it is getting confusing.
But Donald Trump is really determined to make this happen.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
Thanks Mitch, Mitch, mccan us correspondent with feature story. News
is coming up twelve away from.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Seven ever due for ce Ellen.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
So this is the email that proves how ugly the
Wellington mayoralty race has got. Ray Chung, who is running
for mayor, has been busted sending out an email spreading
gossip about Tory Farno, who is not running for mayor
but obviously as the incumbent mayor. The email's subject line
reads a sorted night on the town. Hi, folks, I

(23:42):
was told to keep this under your cap. Is being
reported by the Herald by the way, Hi folks, I
was taught to keep this under your cap and otherwise
it would lead to a Code of Conduct charge, So
please keep it to yourself, as I'm sure it will
be well known with so many people knowing it. The
email then describes how a neighbour's son and friends went
on a pub crawl and while they were doing that,
they were drinking. They were chatting up women and soul,

(24:03):
and a couple of women came up and groped their butts,
with one inviting him home for a night of sex
to beat any night you've ever experienced. They carried on
drinking with the women until one of the women talked
about having some drugs at home that would really cap
off their night and welcome in the new year. This is,
by the way, apparently twenty twenty two Ray wrights it
came to pass that this is what they did. They

(24:25):
had a night of debauchery. To be remembered. They described
some of the more physical attributes of this woman, including
her pendulous soft breasts. He then says, when about of
tempestuous sex had finished Verry Jane Austen language, the young
man asked the woman what she did for a living,
and the reply was don't you know who I am?

(24:45):
I am the Mayor of Wellington. Torri Fano herself has
given this email to the Herald in order to prove
the kind of gossip that she is subjected to. She
says that the email contents are false. She says, actually,
on New Year's Eve twenty twenty, she was with ambassadors
from the Diplomatic Corps and attended a Rainbow Community celebration.
Ray has since confirmed that yes, he did write the email,

(25:09):
but he has no idea if the contents are true.
He says he did no fact checking, but he found
it interesting and he thought his fellow counselors would also
find it interesting. He says it was a story he'd
heard from a neighbor while he was walking his dog,
and he attends to apologize to Tory Fano for passing it.
On ten Away from Seven.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Heather Duplice Allen on the mic, hosting Breakfast with the
land Rover Discovery News Tom Tad b pendulous breast.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
What a great describing word. I feel like Ray has
has missed his calling as a fantastic writer, don't you think,
because he certainly is quite evocative.

Speaker 16 (25:45):
Did the neighbor use the word bendulous.

Speaker 3 (25:48):
Or do you think one of those young men who
are having a great time allegiedly or perhaps the dog hyah.
It was a little bit of them, a little bit
of creative writing there, Ray Chung email your decision to
step down as a meyoral candidate without sending an email
about that decision, Thank you, Graham. Donald Trump has met
with those five Western African leaders, and probably the most

(26:09):
interesting thing to come from it is that he has
realized that Liberians can speak good English. He's praised the
Liberian president for quote speaking good English and asked him
where he went to school. Of course, Liberians speak good
English because English is the official language in the country.
Because in fact, many of them speak with an American
accent because it was founded by freed American slaves six

(26:30):
away from seven, all.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
The ins and the outs. It's the fizz with business favor.
Take your business productivity to the next level.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
Right, How high tech does this sound. Varda is a
space startup. Varda has just raised three hundred and ten
million dollars in its latest round of funding. Now this
brings their total funding race to five hundred and fifty
million New Zealand dollars. Now, obviously you're wondering what is
it that they could possibly do well. They make drugs
in space. The main mission is to launch and return

(27:01):
drugs made in space. As they say that medicines crystallize
differently in orbit because of the gravitational difference. As they
call it micro gravity enabled drug formulation. So if they
can get into space more they will be able to
complete drugs that are currently too difficult to manufacture on Earth.
In twenty twenty three, they were granted their first mission
to see if this would be at all successful. They

(27:22):
ended up completing and manufacturing the drug written over, which
is used in the treatment of HIV and AIDS. They've
since completed three space launchers, a fourth is currently in orbit,
and a fifth is expected due to be launched by
the end of the year. And with how messed up
the American pharmaceutical industry is, you can only imagine how
much a drug manufactured in space is going to cost,
and how wealthy it is likely going to make them.

(27:44):
Isn't it on the idea of manufacturing or rather importing allergy?
You'll remember this was floated by Simeon Brown. It was
last winter, wasn't it, when we're having that real crisis
about gas? You said, never mind, don't worry about it.
We'll just build a big terminal, we get some gas
and from Australia will be easy piece do.

Speaker 16 (28:01):
Isn't it every window? Don't we just say that? I
just thought that was the regular week.

Speaker 3 (28:05):
It is going to be the wants from here on.
And however, not as bad as you would think, because
they've done a study into this and it turns out,
in fact, we would not if we imported the gas.
We we would hardly ever use it, by the looks
of things. Would be occasionally we'd get round to it,
but importing it and doing it would be enormously expensive,
cost potentially up to a billion dollars. We could do
it in four years if we wanted to spend up

(28:25):
to a billion dollars. Anyway, it sounds increasingly like a
pipe dream. So we're going to have a chat to
one of the guys who commissioned that report. He'll be
with us after seven John Kerrey. Now you know John
Carey because he was a former US Secretary of State,
and of course, most importantly for the purposes of what
I'm about to tell you, a Democrat. Now he has
just been on the BEB the BBC told the BBC

(28:46):
that Trump was right about the border. Said the first
thing any president should say, or anybody in public life
is without a border protected, you don't have a nation.
I wish President Biden had been heard more often saying
I am going to enforce the law. Trump was right.

Speaker 9 (29:02):
Now.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
That is interesting, isn't it, Because cast your mind back
to the first Trump administration sort of twenty sixteen, twenty twenty,
and how much of an evil villain in the history
of in the minds of everybody, Donald Trump was because
he wanted to build that border wall, and it made
him an evil person, wanted to keep those illegal migrants out. Well,
turns out back then, what was that nine years ago? Evil?

(29:24):
Terribly evil thing to do. Nowadays even the Democrats think
it was the right thing to do. So Trump, as
I am increasingly learning, can occasionally be right on even
quite controversial things. It just takes us a little while
to catch up to And I want to say not
all things. By the way, don't think I'm agreeing with
everything that this man does. Test tomorrow against the French.
Damien mackenzie is going to be with us after half

(29:47):
past seven. Took us through that. But next up, let's
talk scams with Scottsmpson, the minister in charge of cracking
down on that. News toog ZB.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
The Breakfast Show, Kiwis Trust to Stay in the Know.
Heather Duplicy Allen on the My Hosking Breakfast with Vida,
Retirement Communities, Life Your Way News TOGSDV.

Speaker 3 (30:14):
Good morning to you. The government is promising to crack
down on scams with a new anti scam alliance. It's
made up of the major banks, the talco's police, Google
and Meta, which is Facebook's parent company, and various others.
Scott Simpson is the Commerce and Consumer Affairs ministan with US.

Speaker 22 (30:28):
Morning Scott, Hi, Good morning, Heather.

Speaker 3 (30:30):
So what is the point of this alliance? Is it
basically to get them to hand over information will freely
between themselves.

Speaker 22 (30:36):
Yeah, look, that's exactly right. It's to get them sharing
their resources, their people, their talent, their knowledge to help
fight scams. Traditionally, and usually what happens is that these
entities all work in their own little silos and they
have a lot of data and information that is of
interest to other players within the sector, but they don't

(30:58):
share it. So there's a very high level of good
will amongst players. It's quite a big team in the
alliance and it represents some big players. So I'm very
excited about it, and I hope it's going to help.
It's not a silver bullet, by the way, hither this
is not the be all and end all of scams,
but it's a good step in the right direction.

Speaker 23 (31:15):
Scott.

Speaker 3 (31:15):
Obvious problem is going to be privacy laws. Right, you
might have a lot of information, but you can't give
it to me because you'd be breaching someone's privacy. How
do you get around that?

Speaker 13 (31:22):
Heah?

Speaker 22 (31:23):
Well, look, we will probably have to tweak some of that,
although New Zealand's privacy laws are quite robust and strong
and do allow for credible sharing of information. But that's
something that I want to look at as part of
this alliance setup. This is just the beginning, it's not
an end, So there are some things that we will
have to tweet. One of the things is you've got

(31:43):
potential competitors talking to each other about how they do
business and what information they have, So we want to
make sure that they are able to do that in
a way that doesn't breach non compete rules.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
For instance, what kind of what could Facebook really do
to help here?

Speaker 22 (31:59):
Well, one of the things that Facebook could really do
is make sure that scammers don't go on their platform.
So often the first interaction that people have is maybe
on something like Facebook marketplace. And so if the digital
providers were a newspaper for instance, or a radio station,
there are existing rules and protocols that prevent that kind

(32:22):
of advertising occurring. That's not the case in the digital
platform area at the moment, and so that's something I'm
keeping a close eye on as well.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, do you reckon They'll play ball though, because they're
hardly known to be all players.

Speaker 22 (32:34):
Well, as I say, I've been really impressed with the
high degree of goodwill. Other countries are facing exactly the
same sorts of issues and although we are a small
player internationally around the world, this is a big issue.
And funnily enough, if SCAMS was an economy, it would
be the third largest economy on the planet. So this

(32:54):
is big stuff. And those digital platform providers they play
around the world. So yes, we're small, but we want
to have the same kind of protocols in place that
they have in other jurisdictions as well, and that's what
they've offered to do here. I'm really excited about.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Thanks very much, Scott, talk to you again soon. That
scop Simpson, the Commerce and Consumer Affairs Minister ten.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Pass ever do for thee Ellens.

Speaker 18 (33:15):
So a new.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Reports is that we can import liquefied natural gas into
the country. It is possible, but it is expensive and
we would only use it occasionally. The report's been commissioned
by our four main power companies. Paul Goodeve is the
Claris chief executive, the gas company involved in with us.

Speaker 24 (33:28):
Now morning, Paul, Mareena, Heather, how are you.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
I'm very well, thank you. So it cost up to
a billion dollars. This is a pipe dream, then, isn't it.

Speaker 24 (33:36):
I think that we shouldn't get fixxated on the cost.
I think the most important thing about Alergie or any
energy form is not what a cost, is the value
that it brings. And what we saw last winter is
the cost of not having a fuel like this, And
that's what we want to think about, is not we
know that we can do it. Now, we've got to

(33:57):
work out whether it's actually worth doing it, and the
focus needs to be on the value that it brings,
not necessarily the cost.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Well, well, I mean, I guess that's what I'm getting to, right.
Is it worth doing it if it costs up to
a billion dollars and we only, as you guys say,
use it occasionally.

Speaker 24 (34:12):
I think that that is the next stage of work
that we need to undertake, is to ascertain where it
fits in the scheme of music in energy system. What
we did some work on was both a standard sized
implication terminal, which, like you said, is a very significant
capital cost, but we also looked at a smaller, maybe
more New Zealand appropriate size project which would be able

(34:37):
to be able to do for probably a capital cost
of around two hundred billion plus.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Okay, So which would you go for? Would you go
for the big one that costs a lot but the
gas is cheaper, or the small one that costs less
but the gas is twenty five percent more expensive?

Speaker 24 (34:50):
And that's that is the issue that we need to
work through now, and so that is part of the
reason that we are assuring this report with our partners
so that we can have a discussion about what the
best solution for.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
New gen you could import Alan G. Paul, would you.

Speaker 24 (35:05):
Oh, I certainly think it's part of the energy mix
that we need to fuel their economy going forward. So
we are we are advocates of having a range of
fuel twenty zone's energy system, and I think guarantee is
part of that.

Speaker 3 (35:20):
All right, Thanks Paul, Paul good Eve Clari's chief executive.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Ever do for see Allen Claril was the thought in.

Speaker 3 (35:26):
This morning that the reason that the Mowbrays pulled their
offer of a free stadium at Western Springs was because
they couldn't be bothered with Auckland's processes. What a surprise,
One source says, the backers will lead to believe that
building a new home for Auckland FC at no cost
to rate payers would be straightforward. They did not anticipate
council processes and hold ups. Do they not live in Auckland.

(35:51):
A second source said the backers were frustrated by the process,
but they also said it's not something the council should
apologize for. Well, I don't know what that means. I
think the council should apologize for it, because don't you
think it's ridiculous how disinterested the council is in getting
two to three hundred thousand, three hundred million dollars full
free from these guys. Thirteen past seven.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
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Speaker 3 (36:18):
Got the second test obviously against the French. Tomorrow are
going to talk to d MAC about that after half
past seven. Right now it is sixteen past now. There
is concern that we're going to have some young people
coming out of polytechnics with the wrong skills. There's a
group of organizations that represent dairy farmers and mechanics, roading
and infrastructure companies and so on, and they've warned the
government that their planned education changes are going to muck
up vocational training. Rachel Simpson is Business New Zealand's education

(36:42):
expert and with us right now. Hey, Rachel, Hi, okay,
so tell me what the problem is because it seems
to me that what's going on here is that under
the changes, the government wants to decide what the kids learn,
but you guys want the industry experts to decide.

Speaker 13 (36:55):
Is that right? Yeah?

Speaker 14 (36:57):
So we're want industry leading government and enabled system that's
the hallmark of all the world leading vocational systems. So
we're recommending some changes to the laws that are gone
through Parliament at the moment to achieve that.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Are you actually seeing what the curriculum is and that
it is potentially going to give them the wrong skills?
Are you just anticipating that it may be a problem.

Speaker 14 (37:19):
Well, we've been hearing a feedback from employers for a
while that the skills that are being produced are not
matching what they need on the job. And if you
have a look at tapooking as in your report, we
can see forty percent of the politic graduates aren't getting
work after they get the qualifications, and the number of
those completing their apprenticeships are going down.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Okay, so what kind of skills are they're not getting
that they should be getting.

Speaker 14 (37:41):
So they need stuff that is current and relevant. So
at the moment, a lot of our qualifications and the
programs haven't changed for years. If you think about the
changes in the workforce over the last few years, the
skill system needs to keep up with it.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
Do all of these industry bodies actually have the time
to be involved in designing the curriculum.

Speaker 14 (38:03):
The industry bodies are the ones that know what skills
are needed. Yeah, they don't need to be education experts
to be able to get that into the education system.
And if they do, then that's assigned. There's a problem
with the education system.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Is there also a risk? One of the arguments against
letting the industry bodies do it is that it's two
short term focused right the industry bodies that the employers
are going to be focused on getting the kids to
give them the skills they need right now, whereas perhaps
somebody who's designing is an expert designing a curriculum would
look ahead at the skills coming down the pipeline that
are needed.

Speaker 14 (38:34):
Well, people don't stop learning once they get on the job.
What we need is for them to get the skills
to get the job, and then to make sure that
we're based learning is really good quality and continues to
teach them the skills is the need and the workplace changes.

Speaker 3 (38:47):
Good stuff. Rachel, Goodluckily, that's Rachel Simpson, Business, New Zealand
Education Experts. All right, let's talk about the lizards. So DOC,
as we've discussed on this program, is now reconsidering the
decision on the lizards, right, which means, well, I mean
I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist.
Read between those lines and see DOC is going to
reverse this and bugger the lizards. We're going to go
for the gold instead. But let me tell you what

(39:09):
I've been told has happened to get us to this
point where where I have DOC making a decision and
then reversing this decision. It starts on Tuesday. What happened
on Tuesday is Tama Portaka put out a media statement
crowing about the fact that DOC was getting through all
of its workload. It had something like, I think it
was thirteen hundred applications for permits that were just backlogged,
and this was in September. He saw this number and

(39:31):
he said, get on with it, I want you to
do the mahi. And so as a result between now,
between September and now, they've just been racing through those applications,
got them down to about five hundred. But the problem
with racing through them is that sometimes you make bad decisions,
and if you're racing through them, you might in fact
be incentivized just to go no no no no no
no no no no no. Maybe one hectare for you,

(39:52):
no no, no, no no. And so it appears that
that is what has happened, right, and they've done that
is race through it to get their numbers to look good.
That's why they're taking another look at the lizards, because
they didn't take a proper look at it when they
were saying no. And because of that, right, I've been
told that there will be more cases in there. For example,
one I've been pointed to and I tried to talk
to Tumba about it, but it wasn't giving us a

(40:12):
lot of information. Corkerdy lime quarry, I've been told is
another problem. The guy here has applied for permission to
quarry fifteen hectares of lime. He got permission to quarry
one hectare of lime. What's the point if you only
get one hectare right when you're after fifteen. The only
reason he took the compromise position, he said, is because
he's actually been waiting five years for this and he
needs to just get on with it. He reckons he

(40:34):
can just make it work with one hectare financially, so
he's going to do it. And why they need the
lime in the West Coast as they need it for
the flood protection and stuff like that. That, by the way,
explains why Shane Jones is so angry at Doc the
whole time, because they're doing this kind of stuff all
the time. And it also means, by the way, that
this is why Shane Jones wants to break dock up,
because no one can override Doc. You can put pressure

(40:57):
on Dock, but in the end Doc gets the final say.
And I think we can look at this and say, hmm,
maybe cabinet needs the final say on things like this,
don't you think.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
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Speaker 13 (41:13):
At be.

Speaker 3 (41:15):
Heather, can you tell Damien and Coe to stop kicking
the ball to the opposition. We have the fastest wingers.
Give it to them. I'll do my best at doing
that part will pass that on seven to twenty three. Now,
the winner of the week has absolutely got to be
New Zealand First, doesn't it third biggest party now overtaking
Act in the Greens in the latest Taxpayers Union Curier poll.
If you've been watching the polls lately, that is not

(41:37):
a surprise. This has been coming for a while. The
Nats have been up and down. Act has actually been
pretty flat. New Zealand First has just been heading up
for most of this year.

Speaker 18 (41:46):
Now.

Speaker 3 (41:46):
There are a bunch of reasons for that. Winston is
very statesman like. He manages to disagree with his coalition
partners without being quite as bratty as David Seymour can
sometimes come off as. New Zealand First are choosing their
battles quite well. They stayed out of the pay equity
fuffle so they didn't cop the blowback like the others did.
But mainly I think what's going on here is they
are being blunt and refreshingly blunted. That Shane Jones does

(42:08):
not care if the Lizard Lovers get upset that he
wants to dig a mine where the lizards are. He
just says it. Winston doesn't care if Grayland and Aravali
are offended that he wants trans women kept out of
women's sport. He just says it. He doesn't care if
wall carpets, if forcing woll carpets into state houses is
probably a bad financial decision, He just got it done.
This party is unashamedly, I think, appealing to a group
of voters that no one else is, which is working

(42:31):
class New Zealand, people who I think see things quite
simply and often more correctly than elites would care to imagine.
It is the same thing that is playing out in
the UK with the rise of reform. It is the
same thing that has put Trump back in the White
House again. Of the three coalition parties, New Zealand First
is the only one hitting the same vein of voters,

(42:51):
and I would say the same rich vein of voters.
Now we're still only talking about ten percent, and ten
percent doesn't a major party make. But it has only
been headed in one direction lately for New Zealand First,
and that is up and I think that tells you something.
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Speaker 1 (44:11):
Do to Sea Allen.

Speaker 3 (44:13):
You know what, can I just give you a quick
tip because school holidays at the moment and you're thinking
of something to do with the kids. If you're in
Wellington or headed down there, go to the Tapapa exhibition
where you can use the VR the virtual reality to
explore Robert Scott's hut in Antarctica. I would do this
if I had the chance, because and reason is I went.
I went there like in real life, not to Tapapa.

(44:35):
I went to Robert Scott's hut about fifteen years ago.
It blew my mind. It is almost exactly as if
they've walked out just yesterday.

Speaker 13 (44:41):
Right.

Speaker 3 (44:41):
It's an outback ranch, which is terrible building to put
on the ice. There's a dead seal lying on the
porch like they just kind of slaughtered it and dragged
it on the other day. Because things don't break down
there on the because the ice is dry, it doesn't
break down there like it does in the tropics. You know,
they've got a meal of a meal of seal mes
being cooked in a frying pan. They've got the cans

(45:03):
still on the shelf, They've got clothes hanging up to
be dried. They've got their beds like basically the same
as where they lay in them. They've divided the space
up to try to kind of make it a livable space.
It's incredible to be there, incredible to see how much,
how hard it must have been and how cold. Anyway,
go look at it. Entry is free running till the
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Speaker 3 (45:42):
Anyone that votes for Winston is crazy. The man is
demonstrably two faced over decades in politics. He's just as
likely to turn around and go with Labor after the
next election as he is with National. We're going to
talk about magazines before the end of this half hour,
because of course they're up for sale again and it's
the big names. Right now, it's twenty three away from eight,
so we've got tests two against the French in Wellington

(46:03):
tomorrow night. If there is one thing we've learned from
the first Test, it's that a B side French team
isn't to be underestimated. Our team's much the same as
the one that was called up for Dunedin. Damien mackenzie
is on the bench in the number twenty three Jersey
again is with me morning Damien.

Speaker 14 (46:17):
Ay, there you do.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
I'm very well, thank you. Did you expect the French
team to be that strong?

Speaker 24 (46:22):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 25 (46:23):
I mean any French team you play against, they always
they've put the best form I think, you know, particularly
under the roof. They threw everything at us. And it
doesn't matter what team you're playing a Test match, they
always are going to put the you know, they best
rugby when they come up against a normal next side.

(46:43):
So I knew we expected that.

Speaker 20 (46:45):
And I'm start staring in the easy this weekend.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
What's going on here? I mean, it seems to me
that France is or is becoming, or maybe it always
has been a powerhouse of rugby, where even if you
take out the top tier players, the next lot are
almost as strong. It's it's kind of like the All Blacks,
isn't it.

Speaker 25 (47:00):
Yeah, I think I've got some some outstanding depth. Obviously,
they had a lot of new faces playing in the
in the team, and I've got a probably more inexperienced
side than they'd usually have a full strength. But I mean,
like you said, it's you know, one person steps aside,
one guy steps up. So they've always been a strong
rugby nation and they get bid every year. So I

(47:21):
just I mean it shows the depth they've got in
the quality of rugby they're playing over in France, and yeah,
wish we expected what we got on said day, and
we know we're going to expect a lot more this
week in too. So yeah, I guess I've got some
great s depths over there at the moment, and I
think that's something we pride ourselves onto.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
So last year we had you starting so far this
here two test matches and we've got Body starting in
the position. Has Razer told you what the plan for
you is?

Speaker 25 (47:46):
I think you know, Body had a great game last weekend,
and you know he's obviously hell world class ten and
I've been lucky enough to learn of him for a
number of years and you know he's you know, got
the the job of leading the team for a start,
and I guess, you know, maybe my opportunity may come
later in the series or at a ladd date, But

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you know, for me, it's regardless of what position I'm putting,
whether it's obviously fortunate enough to be on the bench
this weekend, it's just sort of made in my role
or whatever that is. I mean, last weekend it was
probably a bit different to what I expected it would
be and sort of sat down for a mini and
I was back up. So yeah, I guess sort of
when my opportunity comes, just making sure I make the
most of it. But yeah, my role at the moment

(48:28):
is just bringing the impact off the bench and making
sure I do a good job.

Speaker 3 (48:31):
There is it different out there when you've got a
Ardie in the captain position?

Speaker 1 (48:35):
Not so much.

Speaker 25 (48:36):
I think are fairly influential players. Ardie and Scooting guys
that definitely lead by the actions. ADDIE's a guy a
few words, but when he does speak, you knows you've
ben listening to Scoots very much the same, So I
don't think anything changes. We've got some great leaders within
our team. And although you know, both Addie skippers the

(48:57):
team this weekend, Scoot was last weekend. I've got great
guys around them that helped them out as well, so
nothing changes too much.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
Yeah, you know we've talked about the strength of the
French team and you know by All Black standards. Actually
you guys are quite a green team, not your yourself,
for just some of the guys around you. How do
you reckon?

Speaker 25 (49:12):
They're going a really good you know, it's always awesome
to see new faces in the All Black side, and
like I mentioned earlier, just the quality of depth and
these young rugby and guys being awarded for great super seasons.
So you know, I remember my first time in an
All Rex camp. You know, you're pretty nervous, like our
first at school. But I think those boys are stepped
in really well and it really put their hand up

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and only role within the team. And you know there
are only any beattleworth experience. You know, the more test
rugby you play, the more understanding, the more you understand it,
and just the speed of the game, the physicality of
the game. So I think those boys are doing a
great job.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Have you guys as a team had a chat about
the kicking this week. There's been a bit of chat
now in workplace about whether there's been maybe a bit
too much aimless kicking.

Speaker 25 (49:56):
Oh he's the old there you go. Not so I think,
you know it's uh, you know you text the ball
to put teams under pressure, so you know, it's it's
about making sure you're putting the ball in the right
ears the field, particularly putting the ball in front of
your forwards that they were working really hard. So that's
really important. And I think by the sounds of the

(50:19):
forecast that might not be too flash this weekend. So
I think kicking game is really important. I mean, we're
never out there trying to kick aimlessly. It's making sure
we're kicking and putting ourselves on the right ears of
the field and making it as easy as possible for
our forwards to run forward onto the ball. So I
think there's been some good kicking, not too much aimless kicking.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Well maybe maybe not. Maybe not aimless kicking. But perhaps
what is being suggested is I'm trying really hard here,
Damien to say this nicely. That's why I'm picking my words.
Maybe we're not as good under the high ball as
we think we are. What do you think?

Speaker 25 (50:54):
Probably I think it's a lot a lot more difficult
now with you know, receiving a high ball. I mean,
not too long ago you're able to escook back, which
gave you you catch at the deck sit of help
to get a free catch on the ball. But you know,
now it's sort of a free run. It's definitely a
lot harder. So, you know, obviously a lot of people

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think it's maybe something that we need to work on,
and we're always working on it. But I don't think
it's definitely a strength of ours, a sure, but I
just don't think it's as easier than what it used
to be. It's a bit of a free free for
all the air at the moment. So yeah, it's not
an easy, easy sort of skill to nail, but one
we're definitely still working on a lot throughout our week.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Brilliant Damien, go well, I'm sure you got I love
the way that you play. I'm sure you guys will
do a brilliant job. Jamie McKenzie all Blacks tests tomorrow
seventeen away from age con scrapping regional councils, which has
been a bit of a discussion lately. So there are
some very astounding numbers in Matthew Houghton's column in the
Herald this morning. Apparently we have more than one thousand
different types of zones in this country.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Now.

Speaker 3 (51:58):
A zone is basically, you know, it has its own
little technical rules about how you build and what you
can build and blah blah blah, all that kind of stuff.
We have more a more than a thousand of them
set up by councils around the country. Now, compare our
one thousand to what's going on in Japan, same size
as US geographically twenty five times as many people. They
have thirteen zones. So basically, we've made things far too complicated.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
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Speaker 3 (52:31):
Lol Heathers, So what you're saying is we need the
Japanese to come and show us how to run the country.
Or maybe maybe we could just do what they did
and take a thousand and turn it into thirteen. The
suggestion in the article is maybe it'll go down to twenty.
Tim Wilson and Trishuson they're going to wrap the week
that was with us after eight o'clock. Tim has in
advance sent me a study people with higher cognitive ability, basically,

(52:53):
smarter people have weaker moral foundations, as in, you're going
to justify doing the wrong thing if you're smartereno our
I quite don't quite know where he's going with that,
but he can explain it to us himself, and he's
going to have a dig at somebody, for sure.

Speaker 26 (53:05):
You ever hear of a heroic genius? There were people
always talking about evil geniuses, don't they. Yes, I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
Oh, okay, you're Yeah, you're a genius, therefore you're evil
to natural fit straight out of the comic books. Now,
I have a feeling that hiring a car in the
future is going to be an incredibly stressful process because
of what is happening at the moment. Over in the States.
They're using AI and this does not it feels like
it's great for the rental companies, terrible for us because
we're the drivers. So what they've done is this is

(53:33):
hurts and they started it in it Atlanta, and they
seem to be rolling it out. They're basically using AI
to find dents that you cannot see with the naked eyes.
You know, when you're doing the car and you're like,
no one's going to see that, They're going to see
it because they've got the AI. Now, so what that
builds is this massive scanner, and you drive the car
through the scanner, or when you pick the car up,
it goes out through the scanner, and then it comes

(53:55):
back and through the scanner, and they compare the photos.
And the scanner basically takes thousands of these high raised
photos of the car as it leaves and when you've
dinged it to hell and you're bringing it back in,
and then it compares and if it finds any little ding,
it's gonna basically ping you and let you know that
you need to pay the bill. It happened to a
couple of guys, a couple last weekend customers. They picked
up the car in Atlanta, they drove it to a wedding,

(54:16):
They returned it after the weekend. Nothing. They didn't think
anything had gone wrong. They got a notification via the
APP they've been charged one hundred and ninety five US dollars. Now,
that works out around about let's say roughly three fifty
New Zealand. So imagine that. Right, you think your car's fine,
you take it back. Next minute, you've got to pay
three fifty because what the AI had found is on
one of the doors. Just the tiniest, little, tiniest little

(54:39):
ding like I reckon. If you look at it, it's
about the size of your pinky's nail. You wouldn't You
wouldn't see it with the naked eye, right, it might
even just be a shadow. But they picked it up
and they said, these people have to have to pay
it up. Now you think about what I mean, are
you even going to ring a car if this is
the situation because this morning. Now, to be fair to me,

(54:59):
I am driving in at three right, and I'm not
used to it, like Mike is. I pulled into Mike's
car park. Mike's car park, unfortunately, it's not my fault.
Has got a really big wind turbine type thing going
on there. I don't really know what it's for, some
sort of like a reticulate the air in the car
park situation. It's got two poles that poke out. I
don't know why I drive into one of them.

Speaker 26 (55:20):
Yeah, I think it's to stop you driving into the thing.
I think that's what the poles are there for.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
Oh well, that's good that they were there in otherwise
I would have driven into the thing. I've done it
two mornings.

Speaker 14 (55:29):
In a row.

Speaker 3 (55:30):
So now I don't care because I'm driving.

Speaker 16 (55:33):
My jeep, same pole or that one each.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
No, same side. I don't care because it's my jeep,
and my jeep is from the beach, and it's a
jilloppy and I'm just trying to keep the battery going
this winter. That's all I'm doing, right. I don't care
about the jeep, but I do care about the pole,
and I do care. The point of the story is
if that was a rental car, well, I'm looking at
a bill now of three hundred and fifty dollars times
too because of the AI. So my advice is maybe
just do a bit everywhere when you land at the

(55:57):
airport ten away from it.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
The Duples Allen on the mic Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's
Real Estate News dogs they'd.

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Be either on the upside, it'll pick up any dents
that they miss. When you check the car out and
charge you won't charge you. Well, that's a very good point.
You won't be charged for that six away from eight.
Now some of New Zealand's most iconic magazine brands are
up for sale again. This is The Listener, Women's Day,
Women's Weekly. They're all back on the market five years
after being saved from COVID. Alice O'Connell is the former
editor of the New Zealand Women's Weekly and is with

(56:24):
us Morning Alice.

Speaker 23 (56:26):
Good morning.

Speaker 3 (56:26):
Do you think the same thing is going on as
what was going on five years ago, which is that
they just don't turn enough of a profit?

Speaker 13 (56:33):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (56:33):
I mean, I think there were a number of different
factors that led to happens five years ago. I mean,
of course COVID was a really big reason that that happened.
But I mean I think magazines are a difficult sale still, so,
I mean, things haven't improved by the looks of it
over season. Bestestill wants to pull out.

Speaker 13 (56:50):
Now.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Do you think that they will find a buyer? Oh?

Speaker 23 (56:54):
I mean, I certainly hope. So I think, Look, I
have to really believe in megas. I think they're such
a wonderful medium to talk to people in and it's
such a I mean, you can't multitask when you're reading
a magazine, can you. It's such a special experience. And
I think a lot of us are looking now there's
so much information now on the internet. We were literally
looking for trusted sources of information I think brands like

(57:18):
The Woman's Weekly and The Listener, I mean they have
all this heritage, and I mean the ones Weekly has
been going for ninety two years. I'd like to think
that these brands really could live on. Maybe it's not
in a magazine moving forward. I mean, maybe these are
different ways that would be consuming this information. They could
suddenly live online. I think the Listener definitely. I would

(57:41):
really really surprised if nzed Me didn't put an offer
for that much, and they already had that relationship. So yeah,
I've high hopes for what will happen to these times.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
The problem, Alice, is that that the magazines haven't actually
adapted to a digit These magazines haven't adapted properly to
a digital world yet. Because I was thinking about the
magazine that I read. The only one that I read
regularly is The Economist, which I read online, which I
had forgotten actually was a magazine. I just read it
like it's just a news source to me now. So actually,
in order to survive, shouldn't they do exactly the same thing?

Speaker 18 (58:10):
Oh?

Speaker 23 (58:11):
Absolutely? And I mean these magazines haven't had their own
standalone website. I mean there was a large umbrella and
it was called Now to Love that housed all the
different magazine brands, and that really did dilute the different titles.
So I think that could have been a big struggle
for these ones, because, as you said, I mean, this
is how we're used to consuming our media now is online.

(58:33):
I mean, the few of us who were a part
of Bauer and lost our jobs that we started this website, capsule,
and we're certainly finding that there is a real audience
online and real appetite for a similar sort of proposition
that magazine feel, but online. So I have real optimism
blog might happen.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Good stuff, Alice, good to talk to you. Enjoy your morning.
Alice O'Connell, former editor of New Zealand's Women's Weekly. Here
the women's magazines have too little content, and there are
two expense. I haven't bought a women's weekly or a
women's magazine in a very long time. Bought one the
other day because Jacinda was in it, Theager. But number
one because that is my job to read about politicians.

(59:13):
But also number two, I just got my obligatory.

Speaker 16 (59:15):
So you bought that and you read the book.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
I'm doing both at the same time. But I'm saying
to think you're her biggest fair I love just Sander.
I've got an autograph book. Did you know, though, that
I've managed to I reckon mention her every single day
this week? Heather Damien sounded absolutely stoked that your officer
thought he was kicking aimlessly. You should organize an all
blacks versus ZEDB Hosts exhibition match. I'll be classic to

(59:37):
see the abs humbled by the z BE fifteen.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:40):
I got that he thought he was a bit sort
of like, oh yeah, thanks for that advice, heatheredlis see Allen.
I wouldn't mind if he gave me his advice.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
The news and the news makers, Heather duple see Ellen
on the my casking Breakfast with Bailey's real estate altogether
better across rest idential, commercial and rural news.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
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Speaker 3 (01:00:09):
It's Good as kesher sixth studio album. It's a dot.
It's hard to know that that is a dot because
it's a picture of her mouth on the album cover
with a big sort of what looks like a lolly
sitting on her lip. But that's a dot.

Speaker 16 (01:00:25):
I think technically it's a period.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
And you're pronounced you're supposed to pronounce a period, thank you.
That's how you pronounce that.

Speaker 26 (01:00:30):
We're uncomfortable about that in New Zealand, that we're calling
full stops periods.

Speaker 3 (01:00:33):
It is. It does make us feel a bit. You know, well,
we'll just rename it. We'll call this album full stop.
So what you're going to get if you buy this
album is you get all listen to it on Spotify.
Is you're going to get eighties house music grooves set
in a clubby cathartic tone. I only drink when I'm
happy and I'm drunk now, she says, You're going to
get some band on me and accent accent of tango house,

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some sultry disco, electric soul, but rousing anthems that smack
you in the face with hooks, and a hard one
sense of mature, protective self love. Sounds very uplifting. Eight
past eight it's a week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
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Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Tris Huston Tim Wilson with us this morning morning, you.

Speaker 13 (01:01:15):
Guys, Good morning, morning morning.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
And why are you sending us these studies about smart
people being evil?

Speaker 27 (01:01:24):
I think it's just it's a it's and this is
from the General Intelligence, so it's not some wonky study
as Trish was trying to allege just before we came on.
It's I think, I think we have this sort of idea.
There's a commonly held view that intelligence equals moral fiber,
and this study suggests that intelligence actually means you can
argue your way out of moral constraints.

Speaker 13 (01:01:46):
So that's just helpful. I think, are you.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Moral constraints are necessarily a good thing?

Speaker 13 (01:01:54):
Yeah, of course they are.

Speaker 27 (01:01:56):
Of course, of course they are because they because they
shape our behavior, they shape society.

Speaker 11 (01:02:00):
Yeah. True.

Speaker 18 (01:02:01):
Oh well, I'm almost going to wade into some deeper
water here with Tim, which might be slightly tricky, but
I am I'm not a church going person and give
a bit of a side eye in terms of moral
fiber over that way. So I haven't seen this study.
I love how Tim just slips this one in without

(01:02:23):
circulating it, so no one can really go through.

Speaker 13 (01:02:25):
What they I said it out last night.

Speaker 3 (01:02:29):
You count anybody for your laziness.

Speaker 13 (01:02:31):
Sorry, yeah, you can't blame anybody for your laziness. I'm trush.

Speaker 27 (01:02:34):
I'm not saying you're not a moral person because you
don't go to church, of course not you are.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
No Tim, I'm going to come back at you on
this one. Okay, So morals are what you think they are, right, So,
so basically you might think that saving the lizards is
the moral thing to do, but Trish may think that
saving the jobs is the moral thing to do. And
then you're just going with your gut instincts. But actually
the smart people are the ones who consider it, abandon
the morals and go for the right thing.

Speaker 27 (01:02:58):
Well, let's yeah, that and that is too complicated.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
It's too complicated.

Speaker 27 (01:03:03):
No, no, no, that's not it's not too complicated. But
there's actually what this is what the survey says is
there's there's two there's two different kinds of moral decisions.
One is the individualizing, which is about care and equality.
Others are more binding things like loyalty, authority, proportionality. So
these are all means that we use to assess our

(01:03:24):
moral our moral behavior. Intelligence can act on those, but
what the survey found was that intelligence could actually help
you evade them. So if we if we say, okay,
let's not worry about the lizards and go for the gold,
that's fine. That's that's actually a decision based on assessing
all of the options. It's not necessarily a moral one.

Speaker 3 (01:03:45):
I see what you're saying. Your intelligence helps you make excuses.
But on the subject of the lizards, Trish, what would
you choose the lizards or the jobs.

Speaker 18 (01:03:53):
I would choose going ahead with with the development down there.
And I'm going to put a different spin on this.
I'm going to put taps into this mix instead of lizards.
I don't know if you saw there was a story
in the last couple of weeks about another there was
a plumbing business around New Zealand that was going under,

(01:04:16):
and I thought, you know how many taps are not
being put in New Zealand because of planners and others
saying no to projects. And so it's the same with
the lizards down in the South Island. If you look
at the construction industry overall in New Zealand, it's one
of that's struggling the most because it's mired in this

(01:04:37):
kind of stuff. It's mired and people just saying no.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
Do you think I think Tim, that the solution is
actually we go ahead with the mine, we save some
of the lizards, and then we just if we lose them,
we reverse engineer them like the moer.

Speaker 27 (01:04:53):
Yeah, I was actually thinking thinking about that too, you know,
just Jeanie at the MOA's pardon me that the lizards
back into existence. The problem, the problem with which gene
tech editing is unintended consequences. So, for example, five hundred
and fifty million birds have perished across the UK and
Europe because of the loss of food sources because of
herbicide tolerant genetically modified plants. That's changed the ecosystems that

(01:05:19):
those birds used to feed on. So you know, I mean, well,
if we re engineer the moa and it decides it
likes to eat kiwi for breakfast, what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
What if it decides it likes to eat us?

Speaker 18 (01:05:30):
Well, here's here's the reality about the moa story this
week is that even though we have had their most
amazing moa discovery in New Zealand, it was absolutely the
fascination of Victorian England the discovery of the moa, and
it was one tiny piece of moa thigh bone, tiny

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like an inch long, that was taken from the East
Coast over to London and studied there. From that one
piece they they imagine the moa into existence, which is
pretty amazing when you think about it. But in all
of the bits of moa that we've got, and there
are some huge collections in Otago and Canterbury, there is
not a full genome sequencing. So these things are going

(01:06:12):
to be like they're going to be frank and moa.

Speaker 3 (01:06:16):
They parading as much.

Speaker 18 (01:06:17):
They're going to be hybrid. But also don't forget this
that along with the moa, the hunting of the moa,
its habitat went so up up in central Otago where
that's a huge moonscape. Now, I've always thought that was
what it was like. That was one of our most
lush carpeted places of forest where the moa lived. And

(01:06:37):
when they got burnt out or smoked out by the hunters,
the habitat went and the haast eagle went along with it,
so were for them to live.

Speaker 13 (01:06:47):
Million million.

Speaker 9 (01:06:50):
I do.

Speaker 13 (01:06:50):
I've got a million dollar idea I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:52):
Can I can not wait to hear it. Eight fourteen The.

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Speaker 27 (01:07:13):
Okay, so I've got the perfect ppe right, public private venture.

Speaker 13 (01:07:18):
So what we do is we genetically splice the more.

Speaker 27 (01:07:20):
Okay, we bring them back, we put them on farms,
we farm them, then we eat them.

Speaker 13 (01:07:25):
We get KFC. And you've heard about KFC, right, k
f M.

Speaker 27 (01:07:29):
Kentucky Fried Moore, the best thing since sliced bread. Talk
about wicked wings.

Speaker 3 (01:07:34):
Yeah, Bonkasher, billion dollar industry, worth waiting for. I think
worth waiting for. I see some ofth and Coe's are
selling off the Santa stuff. Who's going to buy it?
Are you going to buy it?

Speaker 18 (01:07:44):
I'm not paying I'm not paying forty grand for a
recycled center sligh.

Speaker 16 (01:07:49):
I thought that.

Speaker 18 (01:07:50):
I thought that's a bit rich for me. It was
a bit rich for me.

Speaker 13 (01:07:54):
Come on in gray Land, get some people together.

Speaker 18 (01:07:58):
Then there was some old mannequins, and I've always just
personal thing in mind. I've always found the mannequin a
bit creepy. So no, I don't think I'm going to
be bidding in this auction.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Do you know what? Please? I hope to God that
my husband's not listening to this, because we once had
mannequins and he got them from a shop.

Speaker 18 (01:08:17):
That had some private talk. There's something just between you
and Barry.

Speaker 3 (01:08:23):
Yeah, you know it meant like in retrospect maybe it
should have been. But they were gold as well. He
got them from a shop and they stood by the
spar pool in Wellington for such a long time. I
don't know what happened to them in the end, and
they are utterly pointless. But there are some people, aren't
there who collect weird things like this, and I feel
like that would be you. Tim.

Speaker 13 (01:08:43):
No, we're accept the stage.

Speaker 27 (01:08:45):
We were trying to have less rather than more because
we just moved house and so decluttering is the mode.
So no, we're not accumulating, we're shedding.

Speaker 3 (01:08:56):
What brought from the house move.

Speaker 27 (01:08:59):
I want be closer to the school the boys are
going to. They're going to a new charter school in
Green Lane, so oh well.

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
That makes sense. Are you're able to walk?

Speaker 13 (01:09:09):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
The kids walk?

Speaker 1 (01:09:10):
Yep?

Speaker 13 (01:09:10):
They can walk to school.

Speaker 27 (01:09:11):
They've got to go past the Macca though, so I'll
have to work on their moral fiber.

Speaker 13 (01:09:14):
I hope they're not too smart. Look tell me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
Something truth, am I am? I because I mean my
kids are very small, but the thought of them walking
to school does terrify me somewhat? Is that just a
period that I'm going through. Is that going to happen
at some stage I'll be fine with it.

Speaker 18 (01:09:27):
You will be absolutely fine with it. And you know
you're gonna love it when the old the Wakaway way,
the walking school bus turns up outside the front door
and you can say, Marty, whatter the kids for the day.
It's it's a lovely moment in any parent's day.

Speaker 13 (01:09:41):
Now you just started speaking, gray Lynn.

Speaker 3 (01:09:43):
Yeah totally was. No one understood what happened. We had
the wakaway wai. That's what we had around here. Yeah,
that's the way we roll.

Speaker 27 (01:09:50):
But there'll be lovely kids going to school together. And yeah, yeah,
just the I used to love walking to school. We
used to my mother, My mother used to walk to
school actually in this now, of course this was a
while ago, but she would walk to school from to
Richmond Road from sort of Herne Bay and you know,
going past tram lines and stuff like that, and her
mum just said see you later.

Speaker 3 (01:10:11):
She was five.

Speaker 13 (01:10:11):
Yeah, it was a different world.

Speaker 3 (01:10:14):
Yeah, yeah, no shoes five years old, gigantic backpack as
it was back in the day. Listen I'm Trish. I
don't know that I might have made a mistake giving
the All Blacks advice on how to play rugby. What
do you think?

Speaker 18 (01:10:26):
Well, I thought it was a bold call, questioning their
performance under the high ball Heather I did. There was
a sharp intake of breath at my house when you
went down that road.

Speaker 14 (01:10:36):
I thought, all, that's dangerous, pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Danger I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:39):
I don't know if you could tell, Trish, but I
was feeling uncertain about it, and I think but I.

Speaker 18 (01:10:44):
Have also picked up this morning. I love the word
that they still use in rugby, and I think for
cricket teams when you've got a debutante, you know, a
new player in the team. It's such a hilarious and
old fashioned word, and when you think of what debutants
actually are, it always just brings a smile to my face.

Speaker 27 (01:11:03):
Guys, as what if a young woman being presented to society,
I don't know how that would go down in the changing.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Sounds very very rugby, masculine rugby word. Hey, guys, thank
you so much. Just wonderful to talk to the pair
of you and go and enjoy your weekend. That is
Tris Sherson and Tim Wilson. And I'm still tying up
from this a. I'm still coppying it on the text,
and mainly I'm coppying it from Sam for thinking that
I for having the gall to tell the All Black
Sport to.

Speaker 16 (01:11:25):
Do you didn't go hard enough. You should have told
them not to kick at all.

Speaker 3 (01:11:30):
Yeah, he said it, and not me. I love Damien Mackenzie.
Damien mackenzie is the best.

Speaker 13 (01:11:36):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:36):
What I'll tell you what I'm terrified about now is
that Damien McKenzie runs out tomorrow and plays a shocker
of a game because I've given him the yips with
like they've been protecting him his mental health and I've
just gone just all over it by saying that eight
twenty one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
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Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Ever due for see Allen Lord.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
Has just confirmed that she is going to do the
two shows in New Zealand. She's going to do Auckland
and she's going to do christ Church and it's going
to be next year in February. So everybody who was
stressing out about the possibility that's not going to happen,
it's okay. She's still a patriot eight to twenty six.
Now there's a miracle story out of Australia about this thing.
This is I was saying ta Trish before, worried about

(01:13:32):
the kids walking. I'm already worried about trying to teach
my son how to surf. I can't serve very well.
So that's probably the first problem. Terrified him going out
when he's like in about ten years. I'm terrified of
that now. Anyway, here this gives me hope. This young chap,
I think he's about eighteen or nineteen, went out to
see in New South Wales Wooly and he was gone
for eighteen hours. They saved him. What happened is set

(01:13:53):
it out, set out on Wednesday afternoon. He just had
his Malibu long board and a wet suit. Didn't come home.
Parents rang, the cops started searching, called it off at
nighttime obviously too dark and whatnot. Dad was desperate. He
hit social media. He said, listen, guys, if you've got
a boat, can you help me tomorrow morning. Also, my
mate reckons that the way that the wind is moving,
you want to head on over to the islands, Solitary Islands.

(01:14:16):
So everybody headed on over to the Solitary Islands. Found
the kid nine am. How good has that been out there?
Eighteen hours? They don't know whether he sheltered, They don't
know how he managed to suvot long cold night. I
mean it was winter. We did have a wetsuit on.
But anyway, that's good, right. If you know how the
water works, you can always save them. Still, fingers crossed
news is next.

Speaker 1 (01:14:47):
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Speaker 2 (01:14:50):
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Speaker 3 (01:14:58):
Do you remember yesterday I was telling you about that
content Reversy with the Salt Path, which is the movie
and also the book. The author, the author of this rain,
or win Or as she's also known, Sally Walker, has
defended it because the whole thing's b Yes, apparently, she's
put out a statement. She's written that her husband is
in fact being treated for this degenerative disease and make
that up. She says, the last few days have been

(01:15:19):
some of the hardest of my life, heartbreaking. Accusations that
Moth made up is illness. The article was grotesquely unfair,
highly misleading, seeks to systematically pick apart my life. Soul
Path is about what happened to Moth and me after
we lost our home. It's not about every moment or
every event in our lives, but rather about a capsule
of time when our lives move from a place of

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complete despair to a place of hope. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:15:45):
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Speaker 3 (01:15:52):
More that it's part from light Away from nine. It's
twenty two Away from nine and Dennis Shanahan Ossie correspondents
with US. Now, Hi, Dennis, what Albert got worked up
about the anti Semitism?

Speaker 11 (01:16:02):
Didn't they a big change? At the release of the
anti Semitism report. He came out and he made his
strongest remarks so far. Now, obviously this followed as well.
Tony Burke visiting the fire bomb synagogue straight after the
attack on the weekend, and the government's attitude and public

(01:16:27):
rhetoric has really been so different to what it was
in the earlier attacks, and I think what the government
is trying to do is shift away is realized the
politics of pro Palestinian protests, particularly for the Greens, and
the Prime Minister mentioned this himself when the report was released,

(01:16:49):
saying that the Greens had politicized the pro Palestinian protests,
that it was divisive and that he was out to
try and do what he could now. The red commendations,
particularly on universities, saying that universities who promote anti Semitism
or allow anti Semitism will lose funding is a big

(01:17:11):
threat to them, to charities and arts groups. So we'll
see what actually happens from the report. The Prime Minister
said they will seriously consider it, but there's no doubt
there's been a big change since the election victory and
the Green's loss on its pro Palestinian position in the
government's rhetoric and position.

Speaker 3 (01:17:33):
Yeah, I was fascinated by that threat against the universities.
Is there actual evidence that they are promoting anti Semitism.

Speaker 11 (01:17:40):
Well, during the original pro Palestinian protests, there was a
reluctance by the universities to clamp down on the protests
on campus, and that were seen as allowing anti Semitism
to be promoted. Now, the unise argument that they wanted

(01:18:02):
academic freedom and so forth, and yet there has been evidence,
particularly at Sydney University, that some Jewish members of staff
were threatened and so forth. And former Labor leader Bill Shorten,
who is now a vice chancellor himself in Canberra, has
come out and said the universities must act and that

(01:18:24):
they can't use academic freedom as a cover for not
taking action. Bill Shorten of course was a very strong
on pro Israel and against anti Semitism while he was
leader of the Labor Party.

Speaker 3 (01:18:40):
Do you reckon they're going to talk about the nukeswin
elbow heads the beasion.

Speaker 11 (01:18:44):
Look, it's very interesting. Penny Wong has of course raised
the issue of China's nuclear build up and she's also
said the conventional military builder is a concern, and it's
the first time she's actually said anything particularly mentioning nuclear
Because the Prime Minister, of course is going to meet

(01:19:07):
Yuzuking in a couple of days and there will no
doubt be discussions about the Ugust nuclear submarine agreement with
the US and Britain. And I think that what Pemmy
Wong has done has tried to level off the criticisms
and what's seen as criticisms or a lack of enthusiasm

(01:19:31):
for the Ugust nuclear submarine, a lack of enthusiasm for
US support, and this idea that we can somehow be
independent in the region. Now, I think that this is
a bit of a long bow for Australia to be
able to say that it can be independent in a
region which is dominated by China and with the US

(01:19:56):
the only real bulwark against the Chinese power.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
I'm slightly confused about what's going on with the Treasurer
and the RBA with the speeches. Does the Treasurer want
the RBA to do speeches.

Speaker 11 (01:20:08):
It's very interesting that the Treasurer keeps saying, look, we
want he's introduced all these reforms to have more transparency.
As the released without naming which board members voted for
or against an interest rate cut, but they did say

(01:20:29):
it was split the Prime Minister as I'm sorry the
Treasurer is trying to sort of talk or jawbone the
Reserve Bank at the same time that the Bank is
actually coming out and putting its own statements out. The
Government of the Reserve Bank, Michelle Bullock, has been absolutely

(01:20:50):
clear in her position that she's not going to deal.
The Bank is not just going to look at the
monthly CPI figure and make its decision. It's all about productivity.
Serves as a real policy difference here, and I don't
think the Treasurer likes what the Reserve Bank is actually saying.

Speaker 3 (01:21:08):
I see, Dennis, Thanks so much. Enjoy your morning. Dennis Shanahan,
political editor at The Australian, Christian Horner, on that this
is the one who's just been you know, Christian Horner
has been fired by f one and it's by Red
bull because you know, it's the whole thing is just
going in a bad direction. Anyway, he could be in
line for quite a considerable payoff, maybe as much as

(01:21:28):
one hundred million dollars New Zealand plus plus plus plus plus.
What's going on is he's got another five and a
half years or four and a half years or thereabouts
to actually I think it is five and a half years.
I think his contract is to the end of twenty thirty,
which means it's another five and a half years on
his contract. They reckon that he has paid around about
twenty million New Zealand dollars every year. Now, if his

(01:21:49):
lawyers push for a full payout of the rest of
the contract or what's that twenty MILI times five and
a half, you're looking at one hundred and ten million
New Zealand dollars. So he's not going to be but
it's not to the poverty house for him by any means.
And there are also reports that Max Forstappen himself was
instrumental and having this chap fired. Apparently they'd never definitively

(01:22:11):
resolved the internal agreement. Disagreements that that had last year
all came to a head behind the scenes. There was
a final standoff between the Stappin and the CEO finally
got the pressure put on him to get rid of
Horner and it's happened quarter to.

Speaker 2 (01:22:23):
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Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
Hey, I should actually just update you on something because
I know it's been a big thing on the show.
The saga of Erica leaving the treaty clause in the
education laws they have just it's just been announced today
they've just set up a panel that's going to review
the clause and all the other treaty clauses that there
are in law. It's got David Cochran who's a former
member of the White Pungey Tribunal, Martama Royal, former public servant,
also a chair or a director of several mardy and

(01:22:56):
community trust boards. John Walters, lawyer, Treaty of ye Tony
settlements negotiator, and a chap called James Christmas who used
to work for Chrisphin Listen, who's obviously formerly the minister
who settled treaty negotiations, and the pair of them wrote
a book about treaty settlements and blah blah blah. Anyway,
this panel of these four guys are going to have
a look at the twenty at up to twenty eight

(01:23:17):
clauses and they reckon they're going to have the whole
thing done by the end of August, so should get
some resolution on that shortly. Right now, it's twelve away
from nine now there's been look, I could be too
simplistic on this, but there has been a complaint about
AI use in exams and as in fact, it's on
the front page of the paper today and what they say,

(01:23:38):
it's frightening the number of breaches that are happening in exams,
presumably to do with AI. So they've had they've investigated
last year eight hundred and seventy six exam breaches, which
is up from three hundred and fifty four five years ago,
so it's more than doubled, right, it's a reasonable increase.
Fifty nine of those eight hundred and seventy six, fifty
nine of them officially linked to AI, but they think

(01:23:59):
more of them had some sort of a link to AI.
They say there were two hundred and six of them
where they had questions about authenticity, as in they were
looking at it and they were like, you wrote most
of that, but not all of that. That'll be AI
most likely. There were another thirteen cases involving students with
exams that had a quote text increase in a short period,

(01:24:20):
which presumably means that you've done most of it and
then you've just got quickly copy and paste that over
from that pop that in that they go, you didn't
write that that happened in one minute. That was too fast,
so that's probably probably AI or something like that. And
then seventy one cases involved navigating away from the digital platform,
which means you're busy working on that one. Then you go,
it's quickly gonna open Google over here, just asking a

(01:24:42):
little chet GPT question. But just do that pop that
over anyway? Is it just me? Or is the solution
to this reasonably simple, which is why are you doing
the exam on a computer? Why are you doing That's?
That's like asking for trouble.

Speaker 6 (01:24:57):
Isn't it.

Speaker 26 (01:24:58):
I thought you were going to say, why are you worrying?
A This is great use of the modern.

Speaker 3 (01:25:03):
I love AI, but I don't love AI as well.
I have a conflict right now where I love AI,
but I'm real old school in my education. I think
you take the computers away from them. Don't you sit
them down with a bit of paper. There's no AI
in your paper? No, if you give them a pen
and a paper. The way that we used to do
it wasn't that long ago. You go into a big
hall and be freezing, be freezing the whole way through.

(01:25:23):
You got your paper and you just write everything down.
So We're coming out of your brain, isn't it. Why
don't we just do that? Because especially ten ten students
accused of taking too long in the tourt. That's because
they're looking at their phones eighty eight head phones with
them and exams. Well, just take the devices away. It
is unbelievably simple. Just go old school on it and
then you don't have an AI problem. I would have
thought nine away from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Either, duplicy Ellen on the my casking breakfast with the
land Rover Discovery News tod.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
B here the what happened to sitting in a hall? What?
What did happen to sitting in a hall? Quite heither?
Then you would need to do handwriting classes. Well, did
you have to do handwriting? Well to teach them that?
That's a fair point. To teach them the handwriting, you
possibly would have to. Hey, ray Chung, I was telling
you about Rae Chung and the business that was going
on in Wellington earlier. Rach Chung has now defended even

(01:26:11):
more what he's done. He said in on Hindsight, On Hindsight,
if that was now, I think we're more aware of
the things that we should or shouldn't say. These are
as opposed to when he did send the p look
I did. I'm assuming he sent the email to two
three years ago. Anyway, things we shouldn't say, all the
things that we should or shouldn't pass on. I think
I'm wiser now after a couple of years on council.

(01:26:33):
So being on council has taught Ray that you shouldn't
send gossipy emails about orgies that your former mayor current
mayor has been up to allegedly, which she denies. I
wouldn't object to apologizing to Tory, but it's actually interesting
how it's being cast. He said. He claimed the email
had been released now for political purposes. Now, actually that's

(01:26:54):
about the most accurate thing that Ray has said. Well,
I don't know that is the accurate thing that he said.
The email has been released by Tory Faro. So this
is where it gets really interesting and quite complicated. In
four D Chessie or was really just quite three D CHESSI.
But Tory released it to the Herald. So she released
the rumors about her own orgy, which as she denies,
and the drug use, which she denies. She released that

(01:27:15):
to the Herald. Why did she do that? She did
that to take down Ray because Ray is running as
a political candidate for the mayor. Also also, Andrew Little
comments on it and takes a bid on Ray for it,
So that helps Andrew right, because what they're doing is
they're taking out the most likely contender to Andrew Little.
Isn't that interesting how that all works? Nine Away from

(01:27:36):
five Away from nine.

Speaker 15 (01:27:37):
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Speaker 3 (01:27:43):
Jeez, the week's getting to me now. Listen. We have
our pet peeves when we're flying, right, we all have them.
People who take their shoes off, maybe have the stinky
feed out. People who don't listen to their phone or
iPad without the headphones, seat kickers, people who put their
feet on the arm rest. You know, and you've all
got it. One that is universally shared amongst us as
a hate is the isle skippers. These are the people

(01:28:03):
who get up as soon as the seat belt turns
off the sign and then push their way into the
front instead of the civilized way of letting each other
get into the isle in front of behind and go
first and so on. Anyway, it's kicked off, it's kicked off,
and a clip has gone viral after a so called
Karen Isle skipped on a flight that landed at Ford
Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport.

Speaker 13 (01:28:25):
Oh my god, you're all whining for no.

Speaker 8 (01:28:28):
Re just the car.

Speaker 10 (01:28:41):
People.

Speaker 18 (01:28:42):
My god, why showing up.

Speaker 23 (01:28:45):
It's not effecting any of you are so tiny. Here
are the Karens about it, because you are the ones.

Speaker 4 (01:28:55):
You're the one to imagine noise.

Speaker 3 (01:28:57):
Nobody before I'm sorry, do you have my PREMI? Oh
what a time? That had it all, didn't it. It
had the passengers, it had the chanting.

Speaker 16 (01:29:11):
I just wanted to kill the kid. That's the That
was the most annoying thing that.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
You had, the child. You had the plane and on.

Speaker 16 (01:29:17):
A plane with a kid. That should be a service.

Speaker 3 (01:29:20):
It always surprises me that you chose to have children.

Speaker 16 (01:29:24):
That's an interesting way of putting it, that I chose it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
So there you go. Don't get on a plane because
you might run into Karen also thought some priss to
Glenn's wife. Enjoy your weekend. We'll see you on Monday
News Talks.

Speaker 16 (01:29:40):
They'd be.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
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