Full Show Podcast: 15 July 2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
Heather Duplicy Allen on the mic, asking breakfast with al Vida, Retirement, Communities,
Life Your Way, News, Togs, dead b.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Jod Morning and coming up this Tuesday morning. We are
doing the big old you turn on the poly text.
But aren't we just going to have the same problems
we had? The full will talk to the Nelson Marlborough
Institute of Technology. Trump is threatening person with sanctions unless
he ends the war. We're going to have a chat
to Robert Patman, expert on international relations for Minister, on
why exam pass rates are finally climbing, the ABO industry

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on why they are on the up and up. And
Mike pron legendary scrum coach on what he learned from
ballet dancers and suma wrestlers.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Heather Duplicy Allen.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It's probably sensible, don't you think for the Blues to
consider leaving Eden Park for Mount Smart. It's not going
to fix the attendance issues, though they seem to be
hoping it's going to fix the crowd. In the consultation
that they're asking a question of fans are asking them
whether moving to Mount Smart will make them quote more
or less likely to attend the Blue Super Rugby men's
home games. The fans may look at that and go

(01:01):
yeah and say yes, but they won't. Mount Smart is
no better than Eden Park. It's not easier to get
there with public transport. It's about the same. If you drive,
you're still going to have to find a car park
somewhere on the road or on private property. You're still
going to be exposed to the elements in the stand.
You're still going to be paying for your beer and
your chips instead of getting them out of your kitchen.
Maybe you could argue that Mount Smart has a slight

(01:22):
advantage in that you're coming straight off the motorway instead
of fighting to get down Dominion Road in a traffic jam,
but I don't think that's enough of a difference to
supercharge a crowd. Maybe you could argue that because the
Warriors and the Eakland Football Club are there, forms a fans'
former habit, so they go because they know how to go.
But again I don't think that's the problem. I think
the problem is just Super Rugby right. You're seeing poor

(01:44):
turnout for Super Rugby regular season around the country. Muana
pacificas six thousand turned up Crusaders one of their games.
Only thirteen thousand turned up Blues. Blues versus the Crusaders
one of the great matches, only eleven thousand turned up.
Now eleven thousand in fifty thousand stadium looks horrible. Twenty
five thousand stadium like Mount Smart. Mount Smart looks less bad.

(02:08):
But it is giving up, isn't it. I mean, the
Blues leaving the home of rugby is basically accepting that
this is now how it is. That the crowd size
of eleven thousand is simply how it's going to be,
and then they're downscaling accordingly. What they really should be
doing is finding smart ways to get us to come
to the super rugby games again, I don't know. Find
ways to get the family along, get the kid zone

(02:28):
going like they do at Eden Park with the bouncy castle,
that kind of thing. Find ways to get us excited
about the game of rugby. It's a boring product. Make
it less boring. Unless they do that. Crowds that only
quarter filler stadium are the future, in which case absolutely
move to Mount Smart. Then a smaller stadium is going
to hide those empty seats a whole lot better who

(02:48):
news of.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
The world in ninety seconds.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Trump has had enough of Putin and might finally be
coming to terms with the fact that alleged friendships do
not end wars.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
And disappointed and present important because I thought we would
have had a deal two months ago. But if it
doesn't seem to get there, so based on that, we're
going to be doing secondary tariffs if we don't have
a deal in fifty days. It's very simple and they'll
be at one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (03:13):
This was announced on the old Yellow Chairs alongside the
NATO Secretary General Mark Daddy Rutter.

Speaker 5 (03:18):
I Fladimir Putting Today're you speaking about what you were
bene to do it fifty days? At this announcement, I
would reconsider that I should not take negotiations about Ukraine
more seriously.

Speaker 3 (03:30):
Than I was doing it tomorrow now. It might not
please the base that wanted the US to completely pull
away from the Russia Ukraine War, but military analysts say
the US is at least finally back on the right side.

Speaker 6 (03:39):
The president is finally realizing that Putin's word can't be trusted,
which has been the situation for decades. In Putin's foreign policy,
and the facts are that actions speak louder than words.
The ceasefire talks with Putin, it's all a bunch of theater.

Speaker 3 (03:55):
Europe is developing a strategy to deal with Trump's thirty
percent tariffs.

Speaker 7 (03:58):
If you're talking about thirty percent thirty percent plus, there
will be a huge impact on trade. It will be
almost impossible to continue the trading as we are used
in a transatlanting relationship.

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Now, the UK government is still trying to eat into
the Reform Party's voter base by announcing more anti migrant measures.

Speaker 8 (04:15):
New action agree with France includes establishing a new French
Company Demash of specialist enforcement officers with stronger public order
powers to address increases in violence on French beaches and
prevent vote launches before they reach the water.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
It's been a bad day for the BBC. They've admitted
they should have acted sooner on Greg Wallace, while a
reporter has found that they broke editorial guidelines by not
saying that a doco they did on Gaza was narrated
by a Jama's official son. The government has taken notice.

Speaker 9 (04:42):
What I've had in response is an action plan that
is aimed at addressing the reasons why some of these
failures happened and making sure that they can never happen again.

Speaker 3 (04:54):
Finally, sticking in the UK, Rachel Reeves has announced a
unique plan in what has been deemed a small way
to try to from big issues. She says the government
will invest one and a half million pounds in a
quest to find chess grand masters and put chess back
on the map. The game is seeing a surge and
participation in the UK, with millions playing daily. Considering the

(05:15):
cost of living crisis, this hasn't gone down particularly well
as you can imagine, and that is news of the
world in ninety seconds. Now. There is a little bit
of a political spat going on in Argentina over the
pension level. The VP there with Argentina is a fascinating case.
And if you're not watching Argentina, can I recommend that
you watch Argentina because you want to see a country
being turned around in a drastic way. I mean, they

(05:37):
were on that path, was the path they were on,
got turned around headed in the other direction. Now keep
an eye on this because this is absolutely fascinating. But
a little bit of a sidebar. VP in Argentina wants
to put up the pension, but the president, Zavi Javi
Malay doesn't want to. So they've had a row, as
you do, on Twitter for everyone to see. He essentially

(05:58):
called her stupid and described as her as a traitor,
and then she told him to grow up. Now, the
issue is that times are tough in Argentina because it
was headed on the wrong path. The pensioners have been
protesting for an increase. He's basically trying to get the
books back in order. Reckons they can't afford the expenditure.
So if you want to have a fight, have it
on Twitter. Apparently. Thirteen past six.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
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Speaker 3 (06:27):
Heather, You're spot on with your Rugby analogy. It is
a boring product, John, thank you. I'm going to get
you across exactly what Donald Trump has announced, just in
a tack right now at sixteen past six and Gregsmith,
devans Bund's management is with us. Morning Greg, Good morning, Heather.
All right. So we talked about manufacturing yesterday. Service is
not much better.

Speaker 10 (06:47):
That's right. So this is the business beansie business News
and Forms of services and the ex search at the
services sector contributed for the fifth consecutive month in June,
so it was under the break even mark of fifty,
up three point two two points from May, but at
forty seven point three, still well below the long term
average of fifty two point nine. So you hear that

(07:07):
we've seen minimal expansion in the services sector of the
past eighty months, So pretty concerning when it accounts around
two thirds of our economy comes to the wide range
of industries. I think finance, insurance, property, health care, transport,
and also tourism. So new orders that week. Employment that's
been contracting for nineteen consecutive months, So yeah, many jobs,

(07:27):
because we know how tough it is out there for
many and the stretch we're going through is tied with
the global financial crisis, is the longest ever continual period
of net labour sheddings. That sort of telligent something. Yeah,
sector businesses are facing weak consumer confidence, our high cost
of living, and obviously just general economic uncertainty. I thought
the interesting thing that Benz pointed out is that services

(07:49):
sector conditions are getting worse, not better. So, yeah, we
keep talking about the economic recovery, but it seems like
the timeline that keeps getting pushed out further and further.
Another point here is that we're training well below our
peers in terms of services sector, so we're the only
country of a PEA side below fifty or below break even.
You look at Ossie, they're running at the highest level

(08:11):
one over a year at fifty one point eight. So
look we're in a tougher spot than most. But ben
Zaid do point out that the weak PEA sign also
the manufacturing one we talked about. You say, our supportive
of further rate cuts by their being said set something
to look forward to potentially in August and October, and
that perps will take the OCA down to two point
seventy five percent.

Speaker 3 (08:30):
Are you seeing anything positive in the retail card spending?

Speaker 10 (08:33):
Yes, before you're too gloomy, we are seeing some positive
aspects and it perhaps surprisingly it's from the retail sector.
So this is respect's latest updates. So retail card spending
rows are stronger than expected half percent in June, so
it's actually the first increase in four months, and there
was a head of respects own forecast for zo point

(08:54):
two percent lift. As they point out, before we get
too excited, perhaps does need to be taken with a
grain of salt. We've actually said increased spinning on groceries,
and that's because things have been going up in price,
particularly likes of butter. We didn't see a fall and
picture price as well, so perhaps it consumers are sort
of spending on in other areas. But I think there's
certainly a positives and that discretionary spending that appears to

(09:17):
be picking up. We look at household durables, so things
like furniture that was up point six percent and peril
spinning was up three percent. Just on the downside, hospital
is still on a bit of apprecire that was down
point three percents. That's continue to trend downwards over the
past six months as he has retail spinning generally, but
we have seen that lift in June, which is nice.
Also perhaps more relief on the horizon for the economy.

(09:39):
Again related back to interest rates, so we spec to
point out that half of all mortgages up for refixing
over the next six months, and obviously many boroughs will
be able to lock in rates perps up to two
percent lower than they were a year ago, so that
should help a bit more of a recovery and spending
fingers crossed, hopefully a tonic for the economy.

Speaker 3 (09:56):
What do you reckon about China's economy what you see there?

Speaker 10 (09:59):
Well, obviously very important to us, are our biggest customer,
so we've got some GDP data out there today, but
before that, we've had some trade data abou a very
important trading nation to the world, actually not just US,
so exports there they were at five point eight percent
in Junior and year to three hundred and twenty five
billion NEWIS dollars. That was higher than the forecast of

(10:20):
five percent growth and also four point eight percent of May,
so there has been a bit of fun loading disposed
ahead of the tariffs we saw there in March and April,
and of course we've got this upcoming deadline in August,
so perhaps that's that's a factor. Of course, Tariff rates, yeah,
from the US have been cut back from a peak
levels around one hundred and.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Forty five percent to fifty five percent.

Speaker 10 (10:40):
So there's been a bit of a rushing out there,
so that's.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Certainly part of it.

Speaker 10 (10:43):
Imports they rebound on one point one percent as well,
and it was a sharp improvement on the three point
four percent declimb of May and that's also the first
time it's actually was in this year. So he tried
to trade serve Bus one hundred and fifteen billion news
dollars from one hundred and three billion of May. So
that's all pretty good news. Perhaps just some lingering questions
though here there. You know, obviously we've got Trump still
talking about tariffs, about brick nations of course as well,

(11:08):
which of which China is a founding member. And also
there's some questions about whether clamping down on transshipments or
Chinese goods going for other countries, particularly in Southeast Asia,
whether they don't have an impact. And of course there's
also an ongoing staut between China and Europe. There's a
sum up there between the two nations next week. Europe
is accused trying to flooding the global market or goods

(11:29):
such as evs, so that needs to be watched. And
the biggest thing I thought, well, thank you, there was
this looming deadline with the US. That's really important. That's
August twelve. But yes, plenty of uncertainties yet, but let's
take the good news for now.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Really stuff all right, run us through the numbers.

Speaker 10 (11:44):
So the US markets are up, so it looks like
you invest are expecting tariffs to come down and Trump
to make some comment about being open to talks despite
those various letters. So he down's that point one percent
four four four two nine p five found it also
up point one percent. Na's deck up point three percent,
the FOOTZ one hundred and UK up points six percent
eight nine nine eight. That's actually a record high. So

(12:05):
good news over there. Nick Ey down point three percent,
ASEX two hundred down point one percent eight five seventy,
d X fifty was down slightly point zero six percent
lower twelve six seven eight goal down five dollars twenty
three three, and fifty ounce oil down a dollar fifty
sixty six spot ninety four. Just in the currency market,
so kii was actually lower across the board, so down

(12:27):
point six percent against the US fifty nine point seven,
down slightly against Australian dollars ninety one point three, down
point three percent against the British pound forty four point five,
and against Japanese gen we were eighty eight point two
down point four percent.

Speaker 3 (12:40):
Good stuff, Greg, really appreciate it and enjoy your morning.
That's Greg Smith, Devon Funds Management. Right, let's get across
Donald Trump' announcement next six to twenty.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
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Speaker 3 (12:55):
Right, So, Donald Trump, what is announced for his big
move against Russia is that post and has fifty days
to end the war or he's going to be hit
with tariffs. Any country continuing to trade with Putin is
going to be hit with secondary tariffs up to one
hundred percent. And Trump is also given the ok for
offensive weapons to be given to Ukraine, So NATO, US
will sell them, NATO will buy them, NATO will give

(13:17):
them to Ukraine, Ukraine will fire them. We have a
chat to Robert Patman, international relations expert about that after seven.
Right now, it's twenty six past.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
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Speaker 3 (13:29):
So the revival of big time movies and characters continues
at the theater. Superman's numbers are in for the upcoming
for the opening weekend. It's raked in three hundred and
sixty eight million dollars. That's New Zealand dollars. Had the
third most successful domestic box office opening in the US,
which is amazing because apparently it sucks admittedly has a
much smaller international opening weekend than expected. It's behind only

(13:50):
the Minecraft Movie and Liloh and Stitch for the best
results so far. This yere and that is exactly why
the director of the new Cat and the Hat movie
says their movie is going to be so popular coming back,
but adults aren't going to the theater as much at
the moment. So it's kid's first adaptation of Cat in
the Hat since two thousand and three. Getting the vibe
that you probably shouldn't be opening this. What makes you

(14:12):
say that that?

Speaker 1 (14:14):
So you're not open?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
Come on, that's just a suggestion.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Stop stop it.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
No, don't hey.

Speaker 11 (14:21):
Crap with a crap, tigging a wig, hi bugging a.

Speaker 12 (14:24):
Mug, hack with a back.

Speaker 3 (14:28):
Ron Cat in the Hat?

Speaker 1 (14:30):
You have gone too far?

Speaker 3 (14:33):
Do you say toothpart?

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I did not. I said too far, toot fart too far.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I heard toot fart again.

Speaker 13 (14:43):
So I'm just gonna leave some things here, okay.

Speaker 3 (14:46):
May stars Bill Hayder as the Cat in the Hat.
It's out February twenty seven. Next year, News is.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Next, setting the agenda and talking the big issues either
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Speaker 3 (15:12):
Togs dead be They have got some fantastic news about
the avocado industry. Avocado industry, if you've been following it,
got a bit smashed around by cyclone Gabriel. There's not
so much that they lost the trees. It's more that
they lost the fruit off the trees, the lost affair.
But anyway, it seems to be bouncing back. According to
a report out from Rabobank this morning, got about two
million trays up on the last season of export. I

(15:33):
don't know, and so we're going to talk to Avocado
New Zealand about this. But what I'm more so interesting is,
I don't know if you've noticed this. I've noticed this
for the first year, I reckon in a long time,
if not ever. You can get avocados at the supermarket
all year this year, there was no off season. You've
had avocados on the shelves all year this year and
they haven't been cruddy. You know how Sometimes you get
them and they start to kind of like, I don't

(15:54):
know what's going on that overripe. The whole thing has
just been a shambles and you sort of go, I'm
not gonna buy it because I don't need to be
eating this weird nuttiness in the middle of the year.
But this year they've just been fantastic the whole way through.
It's been like there's been no break in the avocado season.
Hopefully they can answer that. I'm fascinated because I'm going
to lean into that if that's the new normal from
here on in. Anyway, though, with us after seven, it's

(16:16):
twenty two away from seven. So got Auckland's third annual
Stay to the City report out this morning. It reckons
the city is at a turning point. It's still being
seen as a great place to live, but that's under
some threat that perception, at least because of crime and
urban sprawl. Simeon Brown as the Minister for Auckland and
with us now morning, Simeon, good morning here th do

(16:37):
you reckon it's at a turning point.

Speaker 14 (16:39):
Oh look, this government very focused on Auckland and it's
on a positive turning point because I think next year
is going to be a great year for Auckland, with
the city railing, opening the International Convention Center, bringing huge
opportunities to our city and where we're addressing many of
the challenges that we inherited. Crime is down, we've seen
ram raids down, violent crime come down, and we're opening

(17:02):
up land for housing across Auckland to keep house prices
under control. So we're doing a lot for Auckland. Very
positive about the city. We know how important it is
to New Zealand's success and that's across a range of
portfolios at GEBE Government.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
One of the things that they say Auckland needs to
do is attract some major events and actually we are
a bit sure to them on the calendar, aren't we.

Speaker 12 (17:23):
Absolutely?

Speaker 14 (17:23):
And I think that's where you know, the International Convention
Center is I think going to be a significant game.

Speaker 3 (17:27):
And that's not the kind of thing to anyone wants
to go to. No one wants to go to.

Speaker 14 (17:31):
Well, it's very important in terms of I'm talking about
cool things, a patment into the city.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
You know, we've got Metallica and Metallica's coming up in November,
We've got sale GP early next year. What else have
we got?

Speaker 14 (17:45):
Well that's where the government as the Major Events Fund,
the Minister of Tourism obviously works closely with councils across
the country around events. Council also has an important role
to play in terms of promoting Auckland for all those
events and to make sure that there is that pipeline
over time. But at the same time, you know, as

(18:06):
I said, the International Convention Center is going to play
a significant role in Auckland's success, bringing a lot of
people to the city. And it's those tourism dollars. It's
those business people coming into the city to spend money,
stand hotels, go out to restaurants, all of that stuff.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
I love here. I want things to do as well.
Haven't you correct me if I'm wrong? Have you not
taken away the Major Events funding?

Speaker 13 (18:33):
No?

Speaker 14 (18:33):
The Major Events Fund is something which the Minister for
Tourism manages. That's a fund that the government puts into
a range of events across New Zealand and she's been
making a range of announcements around what that is going towards.
One of those was around a number of another sailing
event coming to Aukland next year as well, so that

(18:55):
that that continues. I think the argument that the Council
has been putting forward is in there for an accommodation
or a bed tax in Auckland. Our point has been
very clearly that they actually need to find efficiencies to
pay for their fair share of that rather than simply
ask for another tax.

Speaker 3 (19:11):
So me and listen. Put your Minister for Heal's cap
on for me quickly. Did you see that Auckland hospitals
were sending ambos away yesterday?

Speaker 14 (19:18):
Look we're in a very busy time of winter.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Where were they sending that?

Speaker 15 (19:23):
Well?

Speaker 14 (19:23):
I think for the advice I've seen, as they would
be taking some patients, lower acuity patients to urgent after
ours care so private, something which happens from time to
time if their acuity obviously is able to be met
at those locations.

Speaker 3 (19:38):
But the.

Speaker 14 (19:40):
Key point here is if someone needs care, they will
get care through our hospital system. And yes, is a
very busy time of year being winter, and if someone
needs care, they will get here.

Speaker 16 (19:50):
Listen.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
I mean that I find that alarming. That alarms me
that we're sending ambo's away to private clinics, does it you?

Speaker 17 (19:58):
Well?

Speaker 14 (19:58):
The reality is as some is of lower acuity patients
will be managed. But the key thing here is if
people need care, they will get it.

Speaker 3 (20:06):
No, that's cool, but I just wonder if we're running
it just a lit little bit close to the bone
and if we need to sort of think about expanding
the resource.

Speaker 14 (20:13):
Here, well, we've got two one hundred more nurses that
have been employed by Health New Zealand since we came
to government, six hundred more doctors. We've investing significantly in
frontline resource across the country. Look, the reality is we
are also in the middle of winter. It is a
challenging time for our health system, and our doctors and
nurses are working incredibly hard to manage that demand. We

(20:34):
are continuing to continuing to focus on that frontline resource
to make sure that we can manage that demand and
ensure that patients can get the timely in quality care.
And as I've been talking about recently, one of the
things to keep make sure that we're able to manage
that demand in particularly winter times is actually managing capacity
across the public and private systems so that we're actually

(20:57):
able to continue to see get patients being seen.

Speaker 15 (21:00):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (21:00):
So that's really important, particularly when often when when hospitals
are busy, such as as this time of year, those
planned care procedures, those hip knee cataract operations, they get
postponed or canceled cancer in favor of acute care. So
we have to manage that.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
To me, we're talking.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
I appreciate what you say that we are talking about
Edie at the minute. But listen, you go and enjoy
your morning. Appreciate your time, Simme and Brown, Minister for Auckland. Yes,
Heather on the AVOs, I was just thinking the same
thing myself at the weekend. Right, Let's go off to
Paris next seventeen to two.

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Speaker 3 (21:51):
By Catherine Field, our France correspondent. Hi Catherine, and good
morning Heather. All right, So what's the plan? How is
Europe going to deal with these thirty percent tariffs?

Speaker 18 (22:01):
Good question and they still haven't come up with an answer.
EU Trade commissioners were meeting today in Brussels. Essentially they
at the moment, they're talking tough, they're talking surprise. The
Trade Commissioner said that any tariff for long thirty percent
would make transadantic trade almost impossible, saying obvious things completely unacceptable,

(22:25):
and not just the fact of how it was presented
to them by the latter on social media, but also
the EU did have negotiators over in the US for
the last couple of weeks. They thought that the deal
was within reach and suddenly, bam, over the weekend this
came along. What they're trying to do, is it trying
to sort of collaborate, calibrate some sort of response. Do

(22:46):
they get tough, are they sort of knives you know, conciliatory?

Speaker 1 (22:51):
And it depends really.

Speaker 18 (22:52):
On who listened to as to which way they're going
to go. Heather, on the one hand, you've got French
President Emanuel Macran, who who's sort of more in these
sort of Bazooka type response, saying that the Commission, the
European Commission, has to stand up, be determined, defend European interests.
You've got the German chanslating, well, let's not rock the
BoatUS yet, Let's wait and see what happens. By the

(23:14):
first of August, Trump might change his mind and then
you've got the Spanish Trade minister who says, well, you know,
let's just not be too confrontational. But either way, they
are running around hoping against hope that this is going
to be another one of Donald Trump's letters that he
fires off, and then in the meantime they'll keep negotiating,

(23:35):
but knowing full well that there are trillions of New
Zealand dollars worth of trade at risk if this goes ahead.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
Do you think that Trump will be pleased to see
the increased military spending at the very least.

Speaker 18 (23:50):
At the very least, yes, I mean, let's not forget
about that. What has been seen as a rather disastrous
NATO summit at the Hague a couple of weeks ago,
when NATO managed to get all its members to a
grade of five percent spending by twenty thirty. Well, we've
already seen just in the last couple of days the
French president Arena, and additional just over twelve and a

(24:12):
half billion New Zealand dollars and extra military spending. Now
that's going to come in over the next two years,
so that's three years early. He will of course be
pleased about seeing that. We've also seen the Germans put
up more money. But I think there's more to it
than that hand. I mean what we've been hearing not
just from the French President of Crime, but also from

(24:32):
the German Defense ministry saying that you know that it
is the end of this if you like the Cold War,
the end of the Cold War when everyone was sort
of disarming, that there is now a threat, and we're
hearing there's sorts of words I didn't think i'd ever hear,
but you hear about them saying that peace has never

(24:53):
been so threatened in Europe as it is now, that
this type of re engagement on the military has to
come because there is long term risks at stake here,
and that means you know, of course, Vladimir Putin has
said that France is his longest biggest enemy. So yeah,
on the one hand, Trump, we'll see, Yeah, this extra

(25:15):
spending is good. On the other hand, the threat is there.
It is really there, and it's not just that military searcher.
We're hearing more and more this the information the cyber
war that we're getting from the Russians. It is constantly
bombarding European society. So you try might be pleased, but

(25:35):
these measures are now being put in place, extra spending,
extra manpower, because that's now considered it's needed.

Speaker 3 (25:42):
Yeah, it's completely necessary. Casterine, look after yourself. Thank you,
Catherine Field, France correspondent, and listen back back home here
we've been talking about the politics. I have some trepidation,
as I imagine you do too. The reason that the
politics were wound up and put into Tippoo Kinger was
at least in part because they weren't doing that well financially.
I don't think it was a great idea, you know,

(26:02):
to pookinga. But the problem, the status quo wasn't great.
Now we're going back to the status quad. We're going
to talk to Nelson Marlborough Institute of Technology after seven.
They can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think
out of the last eight years they had seven deficits,
which isn't great. So we'll ask them how they avoid
the same situation if we're going back to that. Nine
away from seven.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Heather Dupercy Allen on the my casking Breakfast with Bailey's
Real Estate News Dogs.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
They'd be morning, Heather. We were in Middlemore A and
E last night. Two hundred patients were waiting. Only two
doctors were available, was around a six hour wait, which
is just oh horrific, horrific to spend your evening like that. Actually,
a friend of mine. Funnily enough, I didn't even think
about this friend of mine. It was playing hockey yesterday.
She text me at twenty past three this morning. She said,

(26:47):
you're the only person I know who'll be awake right now.
She said, do you remember blah blah when we were
young and we were drunk and blah blah? And she
told me, said, never mind, you don't need that story.
But anyway, she had been playing hockey last night. Friend
had been one of the one of the team members
had been clobbed with a ball or something like that
needed stitches. Took it to the A and E. Got
clobbed at eight thirty, got the stitches at one thirty,

(27:07):
got home at twenty past three or something like that.
So everybody was out at it. It was the place
to be, A and E five away from seven.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
Well, the ins and the outs.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
It's the fizz with business fiber, take your business productivity
to the next level.

Speaker 3 (27:23):
Grocery supplier costs increased in the month of June, according
to Infometrics food Stuff's New Zealand Grocery supplier cost Index,
but it is not out of line with what you
might expect for winter. The data show an average two
point one percent increase in what suppliers charged compared to
June of last year. Higher dairy costs, yep, they led
the way for a lot of the price increases. The

(27:43):
average chilled food supplier cost was up four point three percent,
which is the highest since mid twenty twenty three. Frozen
food costs were up two percent. That's compared to just
zero point six percent in May, and that's thanks to
the fact that we were buying more pastries and desserts
from the frozen section of one goes in your pastries
is and desserts. That's right, your dairy, chocolate items noodle

(28:05):
costs are also up. So despite the price of dairy
and koco at the moment, we still cannot get enough
of the chocolate. Month or month. Nearly four thy six
hundred products increased in costs, which is again the highly
highest monthly talent tally since mid twenty twenty three. But
you can kind of offset it by the fact that
the month of June had more mondays which is when
the cost changes generally come into effect. How about that

(28:27):
now Over in Australia, I don't know if you're aware
of this, but over in Australia there's been something of
quite the national debate about the German backpacker who got
lost in the outback and then got rescued after twelve days,
and everybody wanted to know, well, why do you leave
your car because your car had water in it, and
your car had food in it, and your car had
clothes in it, all of which you need to be
able to survive in the outback. She has now spoken

(28:48):
to media from her hospital bed in Perth and has
actually answered that question. She says, what happened She had
a crash. I think the car fell down a bank
or something like that. Anyway, in the crash, got herself
a head knock, was a little bit do lally, and
in the state of confusion from the head knock, she
walked away from her car and then by the time
she came to had no idea where the car was now.
She was last seen June twenty ninth on the CCTV

(29:12):
Gone since then. Then. She was found Friday wandering out
in the outback woman was driving on a remote road
about twenty k's from her own home. Just saw a
young woman walk out on the road waving her arms.
Picked her up. The woman was pretty thin, was pretty
cut up, like as in fragile, emotionally crying and stuff
like that. Took at a hospital. She's still in hospital.
Actually looking pretty good for somebody who's been out in

(29:33):
the wild for two weeks. Little bit, And this will
not surprise you, little bit sunburnt. Right, let's deal with
the polytechs next, and then after that is potent gonna
pull his head and now that Trump has threatened AM
News Talk Zbat.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
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Keatha duper see Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast, Bailey's
real estate all together better across residential, commercial and rural
news talks.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
That'd be good morning.

Speaker 3 (30:06):
We're doing a massive U turn on the polytechs. They
were all merged into the single outfit tepou king under
the last government and then are being unwhelmed again and
ten of them are going to go back to so
called regional governance now. Olivia Hall is the executive director
of Nelson Marlborough Institute of Technology and with us. Morning, Olivia,
good morning, you must welcome this.

Speaker 16 (30:26):
Oh yes, Look, our regents had faced some hard times
with the rain, so it was great to have some
good news this week.

Speaker 3 (30:34):
Aren't we going to run into, potentially though, the same
troubles that we had beforehand, which is, you know, the
financial troubles that the polytechs were having.

Speaker 16 (30:43):
Look, that's the challenge facing us at MT. We've been
able to get We've had a long history of being
quite successful financially, so we have some of the knowledge
and how to get back to quite efficiently meeting the
needs of our community and being able to be successful

(31:08):
financially through that.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
I was under the impression, Olivia, correct me if I'm wrong,
but I was under the impression you guys were running
about seven deficits out of the last eight years we were.

Speaker 16 (31:18):
We were part of the responding to the changes post
COVID has been part of the issues. Look, we were
really invested in the move to te Pekinger and and
wholeheartedly put ourself forward for the changes there. But as

(31:38):
soon as the announcement was made around the potential to
be standalone or federated, our community and our industries were
really clear on where they expected an MIT to be,
which was to be standalone, so we focused very strongly
on there and worked really hard to be in the position.

Speaker 3 (31:55):
So we are Olivia, how are you guys going to
avoid not running more deficits? What have you changed?

Speaker 16 (32:02):
So we are lucky enough. Our programs that we run,
we run quite a tight stopping and starting a programs
and been very lean on all of our support functions
with quite a small politech, so any excess we'll hit

(32:23):
our bottom line. So we're pleased to say that we
will have a surplus this year for the first time
in quite a long time. As you've touched on, but
it is around being efficient, being a very lean structure,
and focusing very strongly on our learners and the teachers
that teach to them.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
Good luck with that, Olivia, Thanks for your time. Olivia Hall,
Executive director of Nelson Marlborough Institute of Technology, ten past seven.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
Ever for sel So.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Donald Trump has announced his big move against Russia Putin.
He's given Putin fifty days to end the war or
he's going to hit Pusan with tariffs, and then any
country trading with Russia will be here with secondary tariffs
up to one hundred percent. Also, Donald Trump has given
the ok for offensive weapons to be given to Ukraine.
Robert Patman is an international relations expert at Otago University,
Mourning Robert morning Heller, is this going to make a difference.

Speaker 19 (33:15):
I think it will make a big difference to them
raw the Ukrainians. But I think it will make a
difference because the onus is on speed, amongst other things.
Mister Trump, who met with the NATO Sectary General Mark Ruter,
confirmed there's an arrangement where the America where the Europeans
will immediately transfer about seventeen Patriot These are defensive anti

(33:38):
missile systems. These will be transferred quickly to the Ukrainians,
possibly through Germany, and those replacements will the Europeans will
be backfilled, as the Americans call it, by American equipment,
and the Europeans are paying for this. Yeah, and the
Europeans are really keen to give the Ukraine's much greater resilience,

(34:01):
both from the threat from the Skies but also on
the ground. I didn't pick up the point that you
made about offensive equipment. So far, much of it has
been characterized as the defensive, defensive.

Speaker 3 (34:13):
Do you think fifty days is too long a lead
in time and then that gives Poosian heaps of times
to just go really hard on Ukraine or Stall.

Speaker 15 (34:21):
Yes, I do.

Speaker 19 (34:22):
I think it's far too late, and you know time
is vital in this situation. But it may mean that
Germany in particular is prepared to make offensive weaponry available.
And there's no doubt about it. The Ukrainians are striking
through drones largely multiple sites in Russia, and there are

(34:48):
clear signs of concern now in the Kremlin about what
has been a tremendous u turn by Trump.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Okay, so all in all, all in all, do you
think this might give Trump Putin rather pause to rethink
this war.

Speaker 19 (35:05):
I don't think he can. He faces tough options. He
can't given the casualties Russia. Russia's sustained more than a
million casualties trying to invade a neighbor. If he whipped
draws and his authority regime will probably be overthrown. So
he's got to hang in there and hope that his
perseverance will pay off and the Europeans will get demoralized

(35:29):
and mister Trump will gain change his mind. He is
capable of changing his minds.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
Most likely way this plays out in your mind, Robert.

Speaker 19 (35:38):
I have always thought that Ukraine will gain the upper
hand as time goes on, because small powers, which are
determined to defend their own territory can defeat bigger ones.
We only have to think of Vietnam, the Soviet Union, Afghanistan,
and of course the US in the Iraq. Great powers
can be defeated by smaller ones, and I don't think
this will be an exception in the.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Long run, Robert.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Thanks for you expertise. Robert Patman, sort of international relations
at Otago University.

Speaker 1 (36:02):
Ever do to see her.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
I'm in Australia at the moment. My sister's husband has
just been in hospital over here with pneumonia. I just
thought i'd let you know that the health system here
in Australia is no better, if not worse, ramping for
hours at hospital. Not him, but others are ramped. He
was in a and e for two nights. Jay's waiting
for a ward bed in ward for two days and
then same time. It's not all roses and honey in Australia.
Thank you for letting us know. I guess they have

(36:26):
winter two just like we do. Do you know what's weird?
I think this is weird. What is weird is how weird?
Judith Collins as being about that satellite that went missing.
Now you know what I'm talking about, right, This happened
a couple of weeks ago, a couple of three weeks
ago or something like that. The methane satellite, the one
that we're pumped about, I think about twenty nine to
thirty two million or something like that into it went up.

(36:47):
It was supposed to measure all the methane nark on,
the nark on all the oil fields and the gas
fields and stuff that are leaking gas and blah blah blah. Anyway,
it's spun off into space and no one knows where
it is. And I would have thought, well there that
that thus ends the story, doesn't it. You've seen something
into space, there is a chance that it will float off.
Space is a big place. But now Judith Collins doesn't

(37:09):
want to answer any questions about this, and of course
we have questions, rightly so, because there's you know, tens
of millions of taxpayer dollars that have been put into it.
She repeatedly refuses to answer questions. Has referred all questions,
including questions about whether the government will hold a review,
to the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment, which is
where the Space Agency is housed. Now that's one way

(37:31):
to make you wonder what's going on here, isn't it?
If the minister won't answer questions, all of a sudden,
you go, is there a mystery I should be interested in?

Speaker 13 (37:37):
Now?

Speaker 11 (37:37):
It's your classic alien cover up, isn't it.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
If this was Donald Trump's America, they'd be all over
it like a rash over the Epstein files. I am
now fascinated, and now I actually want the questions to
be answered, and I didn't before. So that's backfiring spectacularly.

Speaker 2 (37:53):
Quarter past the mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on
iHeartRadio Howard by Newstalk.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
There is a little bit of drama brewing over speed
limits and one of the councils. I'm going to run
you through that before the end of this hour. It's
eighteen past seven. Now it looks like the avocado industry
is bouncing back from a few tough years. Rabobanks just
got a report out. It shows an increase of around
two million trays for the twenty four to twenty five
season compared to the previous season. Brad Siebert is New
Zealand Avocado CEO and is with us morning. Brad Moryan, Hell,

(38:25):
are you feeling optimistic?

Speaker 20 (38:28):
We are, and we've got I guess all the ingredients
there for a better season ahead. So the optimism is
probably the word i'd use.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
Yeah, what are the other ingredients?

Speaker 20 (38:38):
We've had some better growing conditions. Obviously a couple of
storms in the last few years have already dampened some
of that optimism and some of our export volumes and
the returns for growth. So better growing conditions and hopefully
an expanded market, global market.

Speaker 4 (38:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
Have you managed to replace the crops that were lost
in cyclone Gabriel a couple of years ago.

Speaker 20 (39:00):
Yeah, I mean individual grows are impacted differently, and some
it's the crop that's impacted versus the trees themselves. Often
so those are bounced back and growth of the opportunity
if they look after their crop to get a good volume.

Speaker 3 (39:18):
Why is the export price still as low as.

Speaker 1 (39:20):
It is.

Speaker 20 (39:22):
Global competition? It's purely that we've got over thirty countries
now producing avocados. We've got a bit of a unique
window off season to many of our offshore competitors, but
we still compete with the likes of Peru and some
other large producers in some of our key markets.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, do you think that that's the foreseeable future? Is
it going to be depressed by that competition?

Speaker 20 (39:44):
Well, the world's growing avocados, but we grow the best avocados,
So we're trying to differentiate ourselves and really make sure
that people understand that there's something unique about New Zealand.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
Right, tell me what's going on. I noticed this year
for I think I think the fo year that I
can really remember that we have had avocados on the
shelf all year in New Zealand and they haven't been crappy.
That actually been quite good. What's going on?

Speaker 20 (40:08):
I agree it's exciting for consumers and we need more
people eating avocados in New Zealand to really support our growths.
But we harvest for over ten months of the year.
We're a unique crop in that way. We're able to
do that. We don't import avocados, soy avocado purchase is
from one of our growers, so we have extended our

(40:29):
harvest window to meet export demand. By doing so, it's
allowed us to keep fruit on the shelf.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Great, okay, so I can look forward to this for
coming years. What are you doing with your avocado? I'm
still just doing the average to the old classic avocado
on toast. What funky things are you doing?

Speaker 20 (40:49):
You can't be avocado on toast, but I mean a
tagline of ours is amazing anytime, meaning breakfast, lunch or dinner.
You can add it into your smoothie for lunch and
have a pretty amazing biogle with it.

Speaker 1 (40:59):
Is well, so.

Speaker 3 (41:02):
There is a staff got on your Brad. Appreciate that,
Brad Seabert, New Zealand of Accado CEO Ray Chung, Ray Chung,
this is oh Lord, Wellington City Council. I feel like
that every time. I just pinch the bridge of my
nose and feel aggrieved. Ray Chung has been on stage
last night. He's been complaining. He thinks he's the victim
of a political attack because of the Tory Fano email.

(41:24):
Let's deal with that. Next seven twenty.

Speaker 2 (41:25):
One, The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio
Power by News Talk.

Speaker 3 (41:33):
Seb Heather, what you want to do is you want
to get your avocado and you want to mash it
with boil or baked komita yum. Do you know what
that is? Food that's good for a baby and for
an adult at the same time. You can do solids
with your baby on that one. Thanks for the tip.
I should be doing it. Seven twenty four. Ray Chung
is right that email has been released to undermine his campaign.

(41:54):
That is not a conspiracy theory. That is a fact.
We know that because the email was released by Tory
Farno herself, the subject of the email. She released it
to the Herald so that we could all read about it.
And Andrew Little was then in that story. He spoke
to the Herald for the original story so that he
could slam Ray Chung, his mayoral opponent, and we could
all read about it. So totally, Ray Chung is right.

(42:14):
He is, as he said on the stage last night,
the victim of a blatant political attack. But that's his fault.
There's no one else's fault but raise because there wouldn't
be an email undermining his campaign if he hadn't sent
the email in the first place. And actually, I think
it is in the best interests of everyone who's voting
in the Wellington elections. This year that that email has
been released so that Wellingtonians can understand the character of

(42:36):
the people that they are voting for. I am surprised
that there are professional adults out there who think it
is a good idea to send an email like that
in which you basically defame a colleague. This went beyond gossip,
I mean office gossip. Look, we all know it when
we see it, we all hear it, we indulge in it,
we shouldn't, But it is quite something else to put
it in writing and then send it to your colleagues,

(42:58):
made much worse by the fact that it is not
just gossip, but it is also sexual gossip. Now, Ray
Chung's campaign, I would say, is over, and instead of
feeling sorry for himself and wallowing and how bad he
is being done by other people, he should just consider
withdrawing from the race at this point. And frankly, every
Wellington City councilor needs to reflect on this because the

(43:20):
fact that this kind of email could be sent to
colleagues who then passed it around until it reached Tory
Fano and the media says to me that there is
a deeply dysfunctional culture in that place. No one comes
out of this looking good, least of all, Ray Chung,
Heather do for see, Allen, we've got the pass results,
the pass rates for the NCEEA Co Requisite exam. Now

(43:41):
you'll know this if you've got kids of the sage, right,
if they're doing the NCEEA, they have to now pass
this exam, this corequisite. It's compulsory in order to be
able to get the level one or the Level two
or the level three. Man alive. Let me tell you
the numbers are better, but holy heck, they're not that flash,
are they. I Mean, look at this, for example, numerousy wee.
Last year we had forty five percent of the kids

(44:02):
passing the maths. Now, thank god, we've got fifty seven percent.
Fifty seven percent though, that's not flash. And then it's
even worse when you have a look in the lower
decile schools, thirty four percent of those kids are passing it. Anyway,
Erica Stanford's going to be with us after the news
explained to us why it is. I mean, we can
kind of figure out probably why things are getting better,

(44:22):
which is that the screws are being put on the
educators and the expectation is that the kids start passing,
but why it's so slow now. Yesterday on the program,
we talked about that little weird scrum thing that South
Africa did against Italy at the start of the game.
You know, the one where where they took the kickoff
and then instead of actually just doing the proper job
that we used to want to, they basically put them out,

(44:43):
grabbed it themselves, put themselves off side, force to scrum
and then try to win the scrum. Might not actually
be allowed to do that because you can see that
it technically can work, but it is A player is
not allowed to intentionally infringe on any law of the
game under section nine point seven of the law book. Anyway,
Mike Kron, the legendary scrum coach, is going to be

(45:05):
with us after eight o'clock, so we have a little
chat because Raisin doesn't mind this. You'll see what Mike
Kron thinks about it. News is Next.

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Speaker 3 (45:34):
Tell you what I've been following kind of with a
little bit of interest is the case of Greg Wallace,
the former host of Master Chef in the in the
UK who's been sacked. He's the one who who stood
inside outside his dressing room with the sock on his
willy you know, and shouted who anyway and all kinds
of behavior like that and then got fired as a result.
He's not shutting up. I would have set to him
a long time ago, shut up, go away, maybe think

(45:56):
maybe you can come back in a decade or so.
But he absolutely is not. Now he's done. What he's
doing is he's blaming his behavior on the fact that
he's a working class man with a direct manner. Speak
to Rod a little about that around about an hour's time.
It's twenty two away from eight. That's so we've got
the NCA corequisite pass rates from last year. They're still
a little bit better, or they are a little bit better,

(46:17):
but they're still not flash. These are the exams, by
the way, that students must pass in order to win
to pass their year level. Last year, fifty seven percent
of students past maths that's up from forty five percent,
sixty one past reading that's up from fifty eight percent,
and fifty writing Stade roughly the same fifty five percent.
Eric of Stanford is the Education Minister morning Erica coome

(46:39):
on a What do you reckon is causing this improvement?

Speaker 21 (46:43):
Well, we've got a real focus on teaching the basics brilliantly.
These are the basics, and I've asked schools to make
sure that they're focusing on those basics an hour a day,
getting rid of cell phones, making sure that we're teaching
a world leading curriculum. We did put a bit of
funding in last year to help schools those schools that
we identified with the greatest number of students who needed support.

(47:05):
But really this has been schools and principles and teachers
who have really done some huge heavy lifting in the
last year to get these kids across the line. And
I know that the results are still I've got a
long way to go, but man, those maths results have skyrocketed,
and I'm extraordinarily proud of our teachers for the work
they've done and the kids for the work they've put on.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
The teaching the basics brilliantly. Thing is a fair point,
but that is really a primary school, isn't it. And
there hasn't been enough time for this to filter through
all the way to the upper levels of secondary school.
So is this more likely just an expectation thing and
are getting used to the corequisite?

Speaker 21 (47:39):
Oh, look, it's probably a little bit. But I think
the biggest the biggest contributor is the teachers who have
put in a huge amount of effort. I was chatting
with some of the members of the Spans Secondary School
Principals Association last night and they said to me, it
is the teachers who have moved heaven and earth in
the last year since it's become compulsory. Last year was

(48:02):
the first year and because of the government's mandate, you know,
we want everybody to be improving achievement. We are focused
on literacy and numerous in maths like no government has
ever been before to this level and they've really up
their game and that has been made the difference.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
Hey, but what we do, What do we do about
these lower deaths our schools? Thirty four percent passing maths
is really quite worrying.

Speaker 21 (48:27):
Well, there's a couple of things. As you've mentioned, our
focus hugely is on primary and intermediate with our brand
new year by year knowledge rich curriculum, with our professional
learning and development. That's going into teachers. The eight hundred
and sixty thousand maths books and textbooks and workbooks and
teacher guides we sent out last year structured literacy being mandated,
that will start to filter throw. It's already having results.

(48:48):
It will start to filter through. In the meantime, though,
I've got this cohort of children who are in upper
primary and intermediate, which is why we did the math trial.
We did four times a week tutoring of our intermediate kids.
Next year that goes out to thirty four thousand kids,
so we know we've got this group in the middle.
We've got to put a huge amount of resource in.
We put that in the budget so we will wrap

(49:09):
support around them. Now that low dear soul figure. That's
what keeps me going every single day. Those young people
need an education to change their lives, and when they
walk into their local school, they need to be getting
the best education. That's why we're getting this consistency across
the board with the curriculum, the way that we teach,

(49:29):
the professional learning and development, the resources. Doesn't matter which
school you walk into these days, it is the same
level of education, and that's what we're focused on those
kids to make sure we change their lives.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Hey, so about a month ago you hosted Sir Nick
Gibb in the country. Now, Surnick Gibb is obviously the
chap who turned education around much in the same way
as you're trying to do, but for the UK a
few you know, a couple of decades back. Did he
teach you anything you didn't know.

Speaker 16 (49:55):
He did?

Speaker 21 (49:55):
He's been an excellent mentor. Funnily enough, we read the
same book on holiday that changed our perspective on education
ten years apart. It's called The Schools We Need and
Why we Don't Have Them by Edie Hirsh. He's American,
he's ninety seven. We both just went to Florida recently
to meet him and speak at one of his conferences.
Keynoting one of his conferences, the thing that I suppose

(50:17):
Nick taught me was that the changes that I'm putting
in place, I know will make a difference because they've
worked there, they've worked in other countries. But the thing
that Nick told me when I talked to him, he
said to me, never give up and never compromise. Keep going. Now,
I remember a year ago when people were putting a
lot of pressure on me to get rid of the
correquisites because it was meaning that young people may not

(50:39):
get there n CEA, and I held my ground and said, no,
we're not lowering the level. We're not getting rid of it.
These young people need to be literate and numerate and
we will do whatever it takes. And we are doing that.

Speaker 3 (50:51):
Good stuff. Erica, Thanks for your time, Erica Stanford, Education Minister.
If you want to know the name of the book,
the book is the schools we need and why we
don't have them. I think we're all going to probably
go and have a read of that if we have kids.
By the way, on the fifty days that Russia has
been given by Donald Trump, this gives the Kriminin plenty
of time to be able to do whatever it does.

Speaker 15 (51:13):
Right.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
This is the argument for fifty days being too long.
They can send another at the rate that they're going
with the drones and the missiles and stuff, they can
send another twenty five thousand drones and missiles into Ukraine
in the next fifty days, so possibly a little bit
bit of a long runway for Putin. I want to
talk to you. Listen, We've got to talk about AI
also want to talk to you about something to do
with climate change. Next seventeen away.

Speaker 2 (51:34):
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Speaker 1 (51:40):
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Speaker 3 (51:43):
The Blues. Remember we started the program talking about the
Blues potentially leaving Eden Park going to Mount Smart. We're
going to talk to the boss of the Blues before
the end of this hour. Right now, it's thirteen away
from it. Now, little interesting observation about climate change reporting
this morning, Ian Wishart, Remember Ian Wishart. He this is
not to beat up on RNZ at all. RNZ is
just the example that's being used in this. But he

(52:05):
heard an RNZ story about climate change is Radio New
Zealand and he didn't like what he heard. He thought
it was inaccurate. So he complained to two different watchdogs
got completely different outcomes from that complaint. So what the
story was, It was about the fact that Hamilton had
been having this amazing run of really hot days. It
had like maybe about two weeks or something like that

(52:26):
of days that had about twenty seven degrees And what
the story sets It had a headline along the lines
of smashed records, right, and then it quoted a met
Service forecaster and climate scientist called Luke Harrington, who said,
the last ten days, well actually now eleven have been
the hottest continuous ten or eleven day stretch. Certainly of

(52:47):
the records that I have available, they go back to
sort of the early nineteen nineties, but I think if
you went further back in time as well, they'd still
remain the worst on record. So the impression that you
get from that is geez. Even the experts are saying
Hamilton has never been this hot for this long. Well
Ian Wushard took issue with that and said, actually, that's
not true. Historic newspaper records revealed that Hamilton endured an

(53:10):
almost unbroken streak of sixty two days of above twenty
seven degrees in the summer of nineteen thirty four thirty five.
So he complained to both the BSA Broadcasting Standards Authority
and also the Media Council about this. Broadcasting Standards Authority
had no issue. They were like, no problem with what

(53:31):
aaron Z has said here because there's no breach of
the accuracy standard because the language used likely might have
probably I think kind of gave them a bit a
regal room like they thought it was the case, but
not really the case, so they kind of got away
with it. So BSA was like, no problem at all.
Media Council was a little bit tougher. The Media Council
said the website report they didn't mind too much, but

(53:54):
it was the headline they took issue with, which was
the smashed records thing. They are held it anyway. As
a result of that, aren Z had to change the story.

Speaker 18 (54:04):
Now.

Speaker 3 (54:04):
It's an interesting observation, isn't it that two different watchdogs
will have two completely different ways of interpreting whether something
is accurate or not. But also I think it is
much a personally. Personally, I find it much more interesting
that we are we have experts who are prepared to
just sort of declare that something is the worst thing
we have ever seen and actually not gone back as

(54:27):
far as possible and found out whether it truly is.
Because I feel like the nineteen thirty four to thirty
five summer completely changes things, don't you think Now I
said I was going to talk about AI. I'm probably
going to run out, but we need to talk. Have
you heard of the Velvet Sundown? Have you heard of them?
We're going to talk about that absolutely have to, because
if you haven't, this opens up a can of worms
when it comes to AI. So hopefully I get a

(54:47):
chance to do this very shortly. Right now. Ten away
from Ete.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
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Speaker 3 (54:57):
Erica this morning. Since when did you hear a politic
talk about the research and the advice that she's got here?
That Erica obviously has a huge amount of enthusiasm for
a job here, That education is a long term problem.
The lift and focus and achievement will be the real
legacy of this government. Forget about the niggles about other stuff.
Education is the opportunity for all would agree with that.
Seven away from eight now the Blues. The Blues are

(55:18):
considering ditching Eden Park and playing their games at Mount
Smart instead, the start of canvassing the views of fans
before they make a call for next season. Andrew Hall
is the Blue CEO and with us.

Speaker 17 (55:27):
Morning Andrew, good morning, how are you today?

Speaker 3 (55:30):
I'm very well, thank you? Are you? Are you just
having a look around or are you serious about this?

Speaker 17 (55:35):
No, we're serious about having a look around. We over
the last few years. I think one of the changes
that is happening in rugby is becoming far more fan
centric and that's a good thing, right. I heard you
one a log there this morning and I agree with
a lot of it. And but to be the sport
we want to be, we've got to talk to our

(55:56):
fans and find out what is going to motivate them.
We've seen open broadcast numbers, which is great, and we've
seen a slight increase in crowds over the last three years,
but we want to accelerate that now. It may not be.
It may not be moving from Eden Park that is
the answer, but it could be and we've got to
investigatile revenues.

Speaker 3 (56:17):
Have you asked fans why they don't want to come
to the park whatever the park is.

Speaker 17 (56:21):
Yes, yes, we have over the over the years and
we do every year our members we have and largely
the team results, which which you would argue in the
last few years as we've made finals, I mean we
sold the final out in three years. I heard You've
got to be very careful in a situation like this.
It's easy to look at specific fixtures, but the fact

(56:45):
is the crowds are that have been on the increase
is twenty six thousand there for the Chiefs sold out final.
What they're looking for is team performance first and then
followed by that match experience. Are food and beverage, sound system,
transport are all taken into account and have all been

(57:05):
part of the questions that we're asking people to come
back to us on.

Speaker 3 (57:10):
So if you're if you're just serious about looking around,
is it wrong for me to deduce that you're doing
this actually to pressure Eden Park for a better deal,
like you have no plans to move, You just want
a better you want to screw a better deal out
of them.

Speaker 17 (57:22):
No, no, no, no, no, We're we're genuinely asking our fans.
I just think we've got to be careful that a
domestic sport or a club sport isn't trying to solve
what is potentially national stadium issues here. And we're we're
committed to staying at Eden Park. That's what people deem

(57:45):
as important to them. So no, that's not the case. Okay,
can I ask ask these questions?

Speaker 3 (57:51):
Andrew? I got the best idea that I had pitched
to me was actually, what you guys should do is
take the franchise around the province. Right, So go down
to book A Coe playffic you're there, go to Mannedowa
player fixture there north Harbor because then it becomes an event.

Speaker 17 (58:05):
Yeah, and we've played I think last year you've seen
we've been to Northland and it was a mate.

Speaker 20 (58:10):
It was a.

Speaker 17 (58:10):
Fantastic success, there's no doubt about that. We often we
play our pre seasons at Takapoona. We can't play in
Poocka Coe because that's actually Chiefs Country.

Speaker 1 (58:20):
But don't do that.

Speaker 3 (58:23):
Don't do that to me because I'm from Booker Coe
and I thought that I was in Blues country. Are
you telling me now because it's switched as.

Speaker 17 (58:29):
It well yet well technically, but you I'm pleased to
hear you.

Speaker 12 (58:34):
That's good.

Speaker 17 (58:35):
Yes, you're you're of a generation where we like myself,
where we where Counties was part of part of blues
and we very much enjoyed that. I'm going to have
to swim Jersey now, no chance we'll get a blue
one to you. We know you're go under the Eden
Park box regularly.

Speaker 15 (58:51):
It's me.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
No, I'm Blues all the way, have to be. Andrew,
thanks very much, really appreciated Andrew hall Auckland Blue CEO.
Lord who knew switched to a.

Speaker 11 (59:01):
Steelers talk you were doing yesterday? You really should have
known that.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I should have known.

Speaker 11 (59:05):
I've been mind you. There are still a lot of
Northland supporters who feel more aligned with the Chiefs because
it was you know, it used to be wykatover Northland
and the middle that.

Speaker 3 (59:17):
Was the Blue. Where it is you know what it is,
where your soul is, you know where your soul believes
it belongs rather than and my soul has been with
the Blues. I'm just what I'm trying to do right
now is just think myself at a giant hole where
I didn't realize that being on the border means you
just get traded anyway. Listen Mike cron scrum coach with
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Speaker 3 (59:52):
Whenever there is success at the top level of international
rugby in this country, there is more often than not
one name involved, and that name is Mike pron a
legendary coach. He was known as the Scrum Doctor. He
was an assistant coach with the All Blacks for more
than two hundred games. He also won the twenty, twenty
eleven and twenty fifteen World Cups, or at least helped you.
He then came out of retirement to join the Black

(01:00:13):
Ferns in twenty two help them, we'll win a world
title too. And now he's with the Wallabies for the
last year and a half. In the midst of all
of that, he's had time to write a book. It's
called Coach Lessons from an All Black Legend and Mike cron.

Speaker 11 (01:00:24):
Is with us now morning Mike, good morning, Good morning, Heather.

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Do you ever think you'd write a book?

Speaker 15 (01:00:30):
Never? No, I never thought i'd have anything with what
writing about, to be fair.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
Yeah, And now that you've written it and read it,
what do you think.

Speaker 15 (01:00:40):
Well, it's quite interesting how much you do atf you forget,
you know, I'm seventy now, so over your lifetime you
have your memories. But once it's sort of get jogged
by my writer and I had to go away and
think about things. It's amazing how things do come floating
back from the back of the brain to the throne
of the brain, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, yeah, relive it all again. I'll tell you what
I found fascinating about reading parts of your book is
we got your tips from What made you think that
you should go to the ballet.

Speaker 12 (01:01:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:01:12):
Well, to be honest, I've never been really interested in
the rugby coaching seminars. They left me a bit blend,
so to speak. You know, they just showed you a
new drill or something. I always had this thirst for knowledge.
Still have to be fair because I know I'm not
good enough. I know I've got to get better. So

(01:01:34):
you go to other elite sports. I found so ballet,
for instance, they have one of the worst records for
injury of what we loosely turned turf toe, which is
a problem under your big toe from jumping and landing
a lot and where you get it. And rugby quite
a bit, particularly in the Southern Hemisphere, from playing on
hard services, which we do. So I was interested to

(01:01:58):
see how they handle that, and out of that I
found a bit of gold about how they prevent that
in ballet, which I then passed back on to the
medical staff in the All Blacks, and we coached slightly differently.

Speaker 3 (01:02:13):
So do you think because you also went and had
to look at the sumo wrestlers, did that inform how
to pack a scrum?

Speaker 18 (01:02:21):
No?

Speaker 15 (01:02:21):
No, I went and sat a week there in the
sumo wrestling camp. I didn't know what I was looking at.
That's the first thing. Don't go in with preconceived ideas,
just going with an open mind. And I was lucky
enough I was allowed to video because quite often when
you go into other places, they are very protective, but

(01:02:41):
in the sumo camp, I was allowed to video, so
I videoed them. Every morning they do an hour for
the junior boys, then an hour the intermediate guys, and
an hour for the senior guys. And I didn't know
what I've seen. I would have a clue and I
got home. There's got to be something I'm missing, you know,
And there must have been. Three months later I went
back over the foot and I just found that the

(01:03:03):
last thing they do when they came out of the
blocks to attack their opponent is they sort of crunched
their toes into the ground and then at least to explode,
and that's what gave them that force and power to
get off the mark. And I thought that's pretty interesting.
So I brought that back and included that and part
of my coaching.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Do you think that it doesn't matter what elite sport
you go to, but if you are at the elite
level there is something to learn?

Speaker 15 (01:03:27):
Definitely? Again, I think so long you don't. A lot
of places I've gone into they say, well, what are
you going there for? I don't know, you know, but
I'm sure if you've got an open mind and your
look and listen, there will be some bit of goal
there for you. You know, Like one week I went
into cage fighters for a week and the Gold Coast

(01:03:48):
and came back into the ballet. You know, you couldn't
get two more verse sports, but I learned something from both.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
The impression that I get from you, Mike is that
you're all about continue with improvement, right, and you can
improve from everywhere and you must always improve?

Speaker 2 (01:04:03):
Is not?

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Is it not exhausting?

Speaker 15 (01:04:07):
It can be, but exciting, isn't it?

Speaker 20 (01:04:09):
You know?

Speaker 15 (01:04:09):
Like, like as I said in the book, the one
thing I live off when I'm for myself and for
my athletes that I coach, no matter who, learning is
motivation and motivation is enjoyment.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:04:24):
So by doing this you're actually learning, which motivates you.
And if you're motivated, you're actually you know, you're enjoying life,
aren't you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
Now you tell a story about Andrew Hall, and he
was not the start you did. You guys were not
picking him in the starting lineup, and he came to
he got you obviously got on the RAS or something
one night and he said to you, why is that?
And eventually you told him the truth was that you
did not think that he was technically up to it
to scrummage with the best in the world. And that
changed everything. And after that he actually took some coaching

(01:04:53):
and then improved himself and that after that you learned
honesty is is you know, really importan. But do you
think honesty is always importantly? Do you always go in
and tell people what they need to hear?

Speaker 12 (01:05:08):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (01:05:08):
At different levels. You've got to know, you, like anything,
whether you're coaching someone or whether you're talking to someone,
You've got to know who you're talking to. Yeah, and
different if you're talking to a ten year old lad
or girl to a fifty test all black and you
would then you know, do that accordingly. But Andrew I

(01:05:29):
learned so much of him because it was brutal honesty
back at me. I was sugarcoating, not giving him that
accurate feedback because one is, you know, we had a
pretty good friendship, and two is, in all honesty, I
didn't really want to confront that situation because it was difficult.
People don't It's easier to forget or put something under

(01:05:51):
the carpet than actually confront it. And from that learning
that I got from Andrew that night about being honest,
and I was letting him down. That's the thing. I
was letting the athlete down by not being honest. I
found a whole lot easier after that. And quite often
when I'm talking to young men or women and I
have to give honest, brutal feedback, I told them that story,

(01:06:13):
and I say, you know, if I didn't care about you,
I wouldn't be honest. I could bullshit you and pushing
out the door, you know, tell you what you want
to hear. But because I care about you, because I
think you've got a good future, and you deserve my
honest answer. Now I'm not saying I'm right by any
stretched imagination. I'm just saying what I believe. And then

(01:06:34):
we can work out. I think that's a great starting point.
And also getting permission, you know, like when I talk
to athletes, you know, and you're going to give some feedback,
you know, and it is harsh. Sometimes I'll ask them,
you know, how honest.

Speaker 12 (01:06:49):
Do you want me to be?

Speaker 4 (01:06:50):
You know?

Speaker 15 (01:06:50):
One I can sugat it a fair bit in tenally
brutally honest, and generally at top level they all say no, no,
I want to hear, I want to head exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:06:57):
I want to tend so that probably, like you, Mike,
they're constantly wanting to improve, aren't they Listen, Hang on
there and we'll come back and talk about what's going
on with rugby at the moment. Fourteen past eight.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
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Speaker 3 (01:07:13):
Talks at be right at seventeen past eight, and you're
back with Mike Kron, legendary scrum coach. Mike, did you
see that thing that the staff has pulled against Italy
with the little scrum at the start of the game
the other day?

Speaker 15 (01:07:24):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I remember, probably forty years ago, some
teams to keep deliberately out on the fall and then
go back to a scrum to try and do that. Yeah,
I haven't seen that for forty years. Probably SOLRESSI coming
up with some ideas dridging them up. Yere.

Speaker 10 (01:07:40):
Do you like it?

Speaker 18 (01:07:41):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:07:42):
We ah, Oh, it's a.

Speaker 15 (01:07:46):
Tactic that I just think. I'm sort of a purist.
I suppose, you know, I coached that way. I don't like,
you know, I just like doing things correctly. I'd find
out a wee bit just a bit harsh. You know.
It's just play the game it's meant to be played,
and get on with it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:02):
What do you think of the Blues wanting to move
to Mount Smart potentially?

Speaker 15 (01:08:08):
Yeah, well, you know, they have very good reasons for it.
You know, it's a good field. I mean, I member
the or Blacks we trained there. It's a good field,
good facility, you know. So I'll certainly have their reasons
for it. And Andrew Hall, the boss there, he'll certainly
be making good decisions.

Speaker 3 (01:08:29):
One part of the reason be that the crowds have
dropped off and we just don't get enough people to
kind of pack out Eden Park.

Speaker 15 (01:08:36):
Yeah, yeah, that's probably true, you know, because we have
live TV and you've got to drive there. And I
found Eden Parks not the easiest place to get to sometimes. Yeah,
I'm really looking forward.

Speaker 3 (01:08:48):
Sorry, So, Mike, what I was going to say is
somebody pitched this idea to me right that what we
need to do is we need to make Super Rugby
more exciting. And what you're probably going to hate this
because you're a scrummn, but what we need to see
more is is the running game. So why don't we
change the rules to give you greater points for a
try that comes off a running game than just pushing
over the line. And that way we get more fans
because it's engaging. Again, what do you think?

Speaker 15 (01:09:12):
No, I probably wouldn't agree with that, but I actually
found this year Super Rugby was enjoyable to watch. The
stats went up watching and that came about through refereeing
being a stricter on people trying to slow the game
down intentionally to have a rest for tactics. Yeah, and

(01:09:34):
they made a couple of minor law changes. It was fast.
You couldn't get it much fast because the athlete wouldn't
be able to survive it. I think you know you're
covering you know, eight nine kilometers in a game of
repeated speed with collisions. So the ball and playing now

(01:09:54):
is more than what it has been. So I think
I think the game itself is a good place. I
think the thing is for people to and I'm the
same for me. In christ that temporary stadium, I know
it was great. It did a good job, but it's
the last place I'd want to go on a cold night,
whereas the new stadium just getting built. Them all open

(01:10:15):
next year. You know I'll have to get in there.

Speaker 3 (01:10:18):
Yeah, I'm in a good stadium. Is a good thing,
isn't it. How are you feeling about the game against
the lines? You feeling confident?

Speaker 15 (01:10:25):
That wouldn't be a word i'd use. No, excited? Yes,
you know we're rank outsiders, which way the way it is.
You know we're working hard. I'm here at the moment
in Brisbane with the team and you know we're working
away as hard as we can. That there are a
great bunch of young men. We've got a good, good

(01:10:47):
management crew. Everything's gone pretty well to plan, to be fair,
you know, because the things are fair of like budge
scares through your team or serious injuries to keep playing,
you know we're going okay that way. We won't know
how good we are until we get out. You know,
we shadow boxed the fear of it. We've got to

(01:11:07):
give him the ring on Saturday and just see how
we go.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
Good luck with it, Mike. It's been a delight to
talk to you, and they are very, very lucky to
have you. That is Mike Kron And by the way,
if you want to have a read of Mike's book,
Coach Lessons from an All Black Legend is what it's called.
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Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Heather duper Cellen a Heather that was cool and interesting.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
Could have listened to him for another hour or so.
What a legend, What a legend, and what a testament
to just constantly learning a I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:12:38):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:12:38):
Listen, let me tell you if been a little obsessed
over the last weekend, last couple of days with this
band called the Velvet Sundown. Velvet Sundown is not actually
a band. It's AI but we didn't know that for
ages have a listen.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Small thanks, drap across ass come Natskay.

Speaker 3 (01:13:01):
It's not bad. It's a little bit kind of like
seventies folk rocks, like a little bit psychedelic y, kind
of that vibe about it. Very easy listening. You could
check it one of those easy listening radio station bosses.

(01:13:21):
Even for a bit more upbeate. That's still relatively easy listening,
isn't it. You can still chuck that on the background
and you know, just cook your dinner, no problem anyway.
So these guys, no, it didn't exist a month ago.
Then they were suddenly on Scotify. They put out two albums,
they've got a third in the way. This is in
a month, two albums, and the third on the way
already hit a million streams probably more. Now complete backstory, right,

(01:13:45):
So they've got they've got band members. One of them
is blonde, looks a bit like Tom Petty, the lead singer,
looks a bit like the weird guy from nickel Back,
but with dark hair. Other guys are dark. One of
them is always smiling, other ones grim. They've got names
they you know, like Californian Backstorre Rory blah blah blah.
But the whole thing is a complete AI creation, and
it is just winding people up something chronic because they

(01:14:07):
want to know that they listen to AI, but they
also don't want AI to be highly listenable. So anywo,
I played it to my local WESTI I feel like
this is Westy vibes. Played it to my local Westy,
she said, I like the sounds I'm hearing. So there
you go. AI is coming for your music. News is next.

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Speaker 3 (01:14:46):
Togs Head b Well, there's a little bit of a
scandal brewing in New South Wales with the Independent MP
Mark Latham. He's been accused by his former long term
girlfriend of some pretty wild stuff physical abuse, emotional abuse,
whose psychological, financial manipulation, harassment, intimidation, pooping on her. You
heard correctly. He's denying it. She's taken the allegations to

(01:15:10):
the New South Wales Police. They haven't laid any charges,
so it seems that what's happened is she's filed the
documents herself with a lower court. He's going to have
to answer questions about this next time it comes across
anybody in the media. They're going to shove a camera
in his face or a microphone or something like that
and chat to him about it. We'll probably have to
talk to Steve Price about it when he's with us tomorrow.
Right now, it's twenty two away from.

Speaker 13 (01:15:29):
Nine International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of
mind for New Zealand business.

Speaker 3 (01:15:36):
Out of the UK. We have our correspondent, Rod little
High Rod, Hey, good morning, heada okay, how bad a
day was this for the BBC?

Speaker 12 (01:15:44):
Pretty dreadful all things considered. The reporters finally come back
on the documentary which it commissioned about living in a
town under siege in Gaza, which it was immediately discovered
by everybody else that it was larrated by the son
of a her mass official and that money actually went

(01:16:06):
to her Mass officials for the making of the film.
The film was never shown, or at least it went
up online, but it wasn't shown. But you know, such
a terrible, terrible error, a commissioning error, but also an
error at the very very top of the corporation. And

(01:16:26):
the report, the Independent report has come down on it
said that it was, you know, effectively an unforgivable mistake
that the BBC should have known what it was doing,
didn't know what it was doing, and it has to
copy the blame for it. And then in tandem with this,
and of course the Jewish lobby and the chief Rabbi
and so unjustifiably furious, they've also been in trouble for

(01:16:50):
not having taken action earlier on a reality star, Greg Wallace,
who there are now forty five complaints out about his
behavior over the last twenty five years and the BBC
clearly knew about a lot of them long before it
sacked him.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
What do you make of his excuse, which he's profited
in the last I want to say twenty four hours
or so, that the reason that he behaved like this
is because he's working class.

Speaker 12 (01:17:19):
I have some sympathy with it, if i'd absolutely honest,
though I don't know the full details of everything he did.
There was a comment he was supposedly made which annoyed someone,
which was the women working in a chocolate factory were fat.
I think some of this I have some sympathy with.

(01:17:40):
He was taken on as the BBC's working class, cheeky
chappy and it's a bit like with Russell brand who
was taken on for being risky and sexy, and sure enough,
he behaved that way and a lot of people were
offended by it. You know, so I think he does,
But there are further complaints and they seem to be

(01:18:04):
rather more serious. So it's hard to say.

Speaker 15 (01:18:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
I mean, because I like you, I have some sympathy
for the fact that perhaps across class lines there are
different appetites for different kinds of jokes. But the problem
what he's been also accused of is just out and
out sexual assault. Is that proven? Does he deny it?

Speaker 18 (01:18:22):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:18:23):
No, he and he insists that the investigation into him
cleared him of all of those charges. But he nonetheless
and he's also now and rather lost my support for
him by saying it's all the consequence of his autism,
which I don't buy at all, and he being autistic,
for example, makes him frightened of underwear, which is why

(01:18:46):
he once appeared at the door of his dressing room
with a sock over his penis. You know, I might
try that excluse out myself, but I don't think it'll go.

Speaker 3 (01:18:56):
Very far, Rod, because I think we can see, yeah,
we see how that ends up, and it is. We'll
be talking about you next minute in the disgrace of
Rod Little.

Speaker 13 (01:19:05):
You will.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
What about these heat waves that are apparently going to
become more frequent in the UK? You guys worried about us?

Speaker 12 (01:19:11):
Yeah, I think we are worried. I mean we moved.
Me and my wife moved from the south of England
four years ago, five years ago because we were sick
of the heat, which we were more used to associating
with the middle or south of France. You know, it
was regularly during summer over thirty two thirty one, and

(01:19:32):
it does seem to be a thing. Sure, it's summer
and everyone's you know, remembers fifty years ago one of
the best summers we ever had, the summer of seventy six.
But it is significantly hotter now and already the first
hose pipe bands have been issued by counties Berkshire, Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire.

(01:19:53):
So it's both dry and very very hot, and I
think we're just going to have to get used to it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
And what about you though, are they more temperate?

Speaker 12 (01:20:01):
Yeah, they are more temperate.

Speaker 3 (01:20:03):
You know.

Speaker 12 (01:20:03):
I live a mile and a half from England's only
international ski slope and they've had no snow there for
about nine years. Oddly enough to last time they did
have snow there, people couldn't get to it. Bits of
roads were blocked with snow. So that's the way things
work in the North of England. They were afraid Rod.

Speaker 3 (01:20:26):
It is good to talk to you. Thank you so much, Rod, Litle,
UK correspondent. Bad news for Same Street mat Almost Twitter
account has been hacked. Someone's got a hold of Elmo's
Twitter account and is posting what are being called disgusting messages.
There are racist posts, there are anti Semitic posts. Sesame
Workshop is trying very hard to regain full control over

(01:20:48):
the account. It seems to have some control over the accounts,
managed to delete a whole bunch of these things, but
hasn't got full full control over the account yet. So
this has been going on since the weekend. So if
the kids love the sesame, just don't general rule with
the kids is I think at this stage don't let
them go anywhere near Twitter.

Speaker 11 (01:21:05):
So I should be avoiding messages from people asking me
to tickle them. Is that what you say?

Speaker 4 (01:21:10):
There?

Speaker 3 (01:21:10):
You go see, keep the kids away from it. Sixteen
away from nine the mic.

Speaker 2 (01:21:14):
Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Howard By News
Talks that be.

Speaker 3 (01:21:21):
Now, I said, I was going to talk about this
earlier and ran out of time, but it does bear
talking about. This is the Far North Council, and perhaps
somebody can explain to me what the Far North Council
is up to, because I think that they've just been dickheads, frankly,
for the sake of it. So they spent they spent
eight hundred thousand dollars. In a nutshell, they spent eight
hundred thousand dollars changing speed limits up and down the North,

(01:21:44):
even though they knew that the government was going to
reverse that. Because remember what happened was you had the
last lot in the red lot. Labor and Label were like,
h slow everything down. And so they've made this, you know,
kind of like blanket rule of everybody's speed limits had
to come down. Council started kind of preparing for it.
The new government came in Blue lots said no, we're
not going to do that. And yet, for some weird reason,
there was some councils which is absolutely fixated on sticking

(01:22:05):
to the original path. So anyway, the Far North Council,
despite the fact that they knew what was happening, decided
to go ahead and change three hundred of the signs
they are now and as I said, it cost three
hundred thousand dollars for the local ratepayers five hundred thousand
dollars for taxpayers to do this. They're now going to
reverse some of them, but they're only going to reverse
as far as they are concerned. The speed limits on

(01:22:26):
six roads. I reckon keep an eye on that. I'd
be surprised if they carry on with that, because people
are desperately unhappy in the far North about this, because
in some cases speed limits have dropped so drastically people
are getting are getting tickets because it just doesn't make
sense to go as slow as that. So the people
are not happy about that. They've got an example of

(01:22:47):
in lit road, which is fifty ks now used to
be one hundred k's back in the day, somewhere along
the lines and often changed it down to eighty, and
they changed it down to fifty. But you know, like
a road, you think about it. Think about a road
in your neighborhood that's one hundred ks Now, all of
a sudden, you're only allowed to go fifty on that
that's the first reason they're going to be changing some
of them back. The second one is that, according to

(01:23:07):
one of the councilors up there, fewer than one percent
of the community actually supported lowering the speed limits. So
I suspect that for all of the money that they've spent,
they're going to have to reverse more than just the
six Anyway, at the heart of it, I think is
a problem with councils completely ignoring central government. And I
don't understand why they insist on doing this, because all

(01:23:28):
that it does is that it just makes us. I
don't know about you, but it certainly makes me just
want to come after them and go, yeah, let's take
your powers away from you. If you can't listen to
common sense, you've got to be gone now. Cameron Bagery,
if you're feeling a little bit miserable about the economy,
and you know you can assume plenty of people are
because they're up and off to Australia and so on.
If you're feeling miserable about it, Cameron Baggery's written a

(01:23:49):
piece for business desks today and he's saying, chin up,
it's going to get okay. Good things take time. New
Zealand's economy will rebound, says, the New Zealand economy is
now in an awkward position. There are signs of rising
inflation and stalled growth. But rather than losing faith, we
need to accept that the economy is working through many
structural challenges which monetary policy arises in rural incomes alone

(01:24:10):
cannot address. Time will and he goes through the structural challenges,
the problems that we've got. Obviously, everything has come. We
had a bit of growth, now it's stopped. Level of
activity is down. He says. A bunch of things need
to change. For example, you need to get capacity up,
you need to get stimulatory money monetary policy, need to
get housing and residential construction going again, a whole bunch

(01:24:31):
of stuff. Bottom line, he says, is time is key.
Takes time for those monetary policy settings to diffuse through
the economy. We've yet to see the offsetting impact of
restrictive fiscal policy. It takes time to increase sorry to
correct imbalances. It will take time to lift productivity and
unlock growth from natural resources. Housing demand is not conducive
to an upspring this year, maybe next year. Good things

(01:24:53):
take time, and I am looking forward to Jeez, haven't
we been told this for ages? But I am looking
forward to that, and I'm heartened by the fact that
he thinks it is going to happen. Ten away from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:25:03):
Here the duplicy Ellen on the Mic Hosking Breakfast with
Bailey's Real Estate News dogs, they'd be hey, this is I.

Speaker 3 (01:25:10):
Think this is reasonably significant. Read the supermarkets just through
this morning. The Commerce Commission is going to take some action,
it says, against food Stuff's and Gilmore's. They haven't said
which food Stuff's supermarkets, but obviously food Stuffs owns pack
and Save New World and four Square. What they are
accusing them of this time is car tael conduct. Now,

(01:25:30):
what they say has happened, they haven't named the supplier,
but the Commerce Commission says that what has happened is
one of the suppliers to the supermarkets wanted to be
able to have a direct trading relationship with a hospitality customers.
The supplier wanted to be able to supply their products
to this hospo customer. Both companies being food Stuffs North
Island and Gilmore's, blocked that supplier from having a direct

(01:25:52):
trading relationship with the hospo and made the supplier go
through them. Thereby, presumably you would assume clipping the tech
and you know, therefore the hospo guys I were either
paying the hospital guy more or the supplies getting paid less.
The Commas Commission has said it's going to file civil
proceedings against these two companies as a result of that.

(01:26:13):
At the moment, neither company appears to have commented. They
have been approached for comment. Fair to say, I should
remind you that this is all allegations at the moment.
But the interesting thing about this is that this is
much more serious than what has happened in the past.
That's the first thing to know. Last time they were
just having a crack at them for the prices. Cartel
behavior is much more serious. But the second thing to

(01:26:33):
understand as well, I've actually forgotten what the second thing is.

Speaker 11 (01:26:38):
Is going to make she's cheaper. That's what I want
to know.

Speaker 3 (01:26:41):
No, I remembered what the second thing was. It was
because Helen walked past, and I looked at Helen and
thought she's looking nice, and then I forgot. The second
thing is that this means we don't I don't know
if you keep noticing this. We do not need a
grocery commissioner. All of this stuff is being done under
existing legislation that predates the grocery commissioner.

Speaker 1 (01:26:58):
What is he doing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:00):
He's earning all this money and doing that. Fire him.
We don't need that nonsense. Five Away from.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Nine trending now Squarehouse your home of winter essentials.

Speaker 3 (01:27:10):
Netflix reckons that it's got its next big show that
will quote unquote blow the Netflix audience away. It's called Hostage.
It has some of the same producers as the limited
episode show Bodyguard, which was a really big hit for them.
It's all about the French president visiting the UK Prime
Minister when a group kidnaps the prime Minister's husband and
then starts blackmailing the French prime minister.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Your husband has been abducted.

Speaker 22 (01:27:40):
These people will stop at nothing, but I cannot give
in to them. They are targeting me, they have weaponized
my family. I will not be threatened. I will not

(01:28:02):
negotiate my loyalties art at this country. I will not
allow it to be held to run some.

Speaker 3 (01:28:13):
Oh how exciting does that sound? How exciting does that sound?
With the strings in the background. It's starring a well
known UK TV star Surround Jones. She's the British Prime Minister.
Julie Delpy plays the French President. It's out on Netflix
August twenty one. So if you're looking, I mean, it's
a feverit of a wait for you if you're looking
for something to watch already, But you can stick that
one in your little diary and then go and have

(01:28:33):
a look at that all right. Hither weren't the monkey's
AI a form of AI in a way? Weren't they
by the way on the AI? But we're talking to
Shane Ritty about his little AI strategy that he launched
for the country. What was it last week or so?
He's copping heat for it because it's not it's they reckon.
It's not you know, rulesy enough, not enough rules in it,

(01:28:55):
not enough stopping the AI from coming for us. You
know what, Shane, if you're listening, hold your lie. We
don't need rules for aal's sake, don't need rules for
real sake. Have a lovely morning and a lovely rest
of your day, and we'll see you tomorrow. The's times
will

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
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